Working on my instrument rating and I have struggled with "paper VOR" skills since my PPL. This is the first explanation to REALLY make sense in a way that will stick to me. Thank you so much!
I fly jets, everything is instrument up there, but still, i love brushing up on the basics every once in a while... and let me tell ya'll, this is by far one of the best, easiest, clearest VOR videos on youtube. cheers brother, great job.
I watched over 20 explanatory videos, in multiple languages, totaling hours of videos and you managed to sum it all up in less than 10 minutes and I finally got it. Thank you very much! You could make more videos like that, they're perfect!
instrument student here just wanna say this is amazing! I went from not understanding why i was getting the wrong answer, to drawing it out and getting every question correct.
Thank you. Someone that finally made sense of this. I have been working on this for almost 2 months and it hasn't even begun to make sense until this moment. First thing that has made sense in my IFR training!!!!!!!!
Wow, I'm annoyed I didn't find this day one of understanding VOR based position. Thank you so much. Just starting my instrument instruction and this was BY FAR the clearest instruction of this concept. This is how this should be taught.
4 years after this was posted and here I am. This right here explained the CDI perfectly for me. I struggled with the whole concept and could never envision it. But you my good sir, you just made it all make sense. Thank you.
If I understand correctly, based on the example of 210, if you see the To is in the upper quadrant and the needle is to right, then the upper right quadrant shows the range of headings that you would fly to get to the station to intercept the 210 radial. If the range of headings to get to the station is in the upper right quadrant, then the opposite of that is the lower left which places you north-east of the VOR and south of the 030 (tail of the 210) radial. To intercept the 210 you could fly either direct to the 030 radial (90 degrees) intercept of 300 or a 45 degree intercept which would be 255.
Thank you so much for the video. Really helped me visualize how the VOR works. Basically whatever you have the course set to, it seems the aircraft is opposite of what the instrument indicates
@Loves2Fly I know they are slowly phasing out VOR as they break.... I'm currently in the middle of ppl and haven't taken the written test yet I wish this was something I didn't need to know... I'll have to watch this video more to hopefully get it I thought the TO indicated you were flying toward the radial but your video makes it seem like that's the opposite... Still confused 😕
@@flying_pig4243 It has nothing to do with which direction you're flying. It's merely about your position relative to the VOR. You could going in any direction. The CDI regards you merely as a point in space. "TO" just means that someone whose true course *was* the same as the radial with no deviation would be going towards the VOR. If you *want* to be going "TO" the VOR, fly the plane in a way that makes that true, i.e. match true course to radial and eliminate deviation.
I’m returning to flying after 25 years (!) and making myself start from the beginning. I agree, this is an outstanding explanation and the way you broke it down into halves and then quadrants was simply outstanding. As I hope a constructive comment, I found the skeuomorphic writing/erasing distracting though it kept the pace slow enough to absorb the info as you presented it. Still, overall I highly appreciate and recommend this video for someone trying to build a good mental model of how VORs worth with CDIs.
Great question! The cone of confusion only happens when flying directly over the VOR. This is normally indicated by the needle and flag jumping back and forth until passage has happened. When away from the station, even crossing the 90 degree line. the flag will simply change from either TO to FROM or vise versa. The CDI needle will always be accurate if the signal is being received when away from the station.
Very useful method and strongly advised! TBH I've developed a bit different logic for myself but it was a struggle for a some time before I was able to do that. Knowing this method earlier would have saved a lots of time and some grey hair for me - and I may also switch to this one. :D
@@Loves2Fly It's kind of "brute force", nothing really special. After a lots of hours spent practicing these I can quickly visualize it in my mind, where am I. "TO" means I'm around the reciprocal radial of the set value from VOR perspective (so around the tail of the OBS arrow) and the direction of the deviation - and so the real VOR radial - can easily be identified after you have this picture in your mind. But your solution requires a lot less counting, easier to adapt and thus much more fail proof, gives a better picture of the situation quicker. :)
okay so to my understanding VOR is a navigation aid, you use OBS (omni bearing selector) to go to or from a VOR stations.. the CDI needle is the course deviation indicator and lets say we set course and the needle is to my left then that means my position is to the right and I have to head to my left in order to go back into course? im using hypothetical cause im in ground school and have only a discovery flight logged LOL.
Thanks, I hope it is helpful. Eventually I also hope the FAA will just take this off the exam and focus on electronic systems which are way more accurate.
@@Loves2Fly I still understand the necessity of having it on the test as a kind of "fail-safe" incase the need arises. But man It really would be great if they pulled it from the test!
Reminds me of a cheesy infomercial about some "miraculous" healing or enhancing product, get rich quick scheme, or religious testimonial from a megachurch or Chuch of Scientology. Pompous and pretentious. 🤮
So at the 5 minute mark, you put the 210 degree radial up top. Right after that you did the same thing but put the radial at the bottom where 210 would normally be. Why the difference?
@@Loves2Fly Don't get me wrong. I am grateful for the work you put into the videos and I appreciate how you are helping me get my IFR. It's just that I found this aspect distracting. Overcomeable but interfered a bit with concentration. I am subscribed and look forward to working my way through the rest of your videos.
The key is the TO/FROM flag. Think "FROM The Same Side" OR think "TO The Other Side" ... all in relation to what radial was dialed in with the OBS selector. 360 radial dialed in with a centered needle and a TO flag? "TO the other side" ... you are on the other side of the VOR (or on the 180 radial.) FROM flag? "FROM the same side" ... you are on the same side of the VOR (or on the 360 radial).
Excellent video BUT still confusing on two key points - 1. clarity needed on impact of having a TO or FROM FLAG 2. WHEN IS PLANE ABOVE HORIZONTAL AND WHEN BELOW?
The example is looking down from space. Regardless of your heading, if what you have set in the OBS (the radial, or spoke of the wheel) is on the other side of the VOR from you, it will display a TO flag.
Sorry, it was one of my first videos. I listen to music while studying, but I never realized how frustrating that is to some people. There is also a no music version
@@davidweenendesignbuild4970 I don’t know why TH-cam would delete it, but I can find it! I will upload it again if I have the file here on the boat. The Airspace one with no music has also disappeared.
Very well explained. Only wish you hadn’t put an arrow head on the pivot point of your CDI illustrations. For some reason, it kept throwing me at first.
Working on my instrument rating and I have struggled with "paper VOR" skills since my PPL. This is the first explanation to REALLY make sense in a way that will stick to me. Thank you so much!
How does it go in computer flight Sims? I find once I'm in the thick of it, it starts to make sense.
use a computer sim ..you can practice until you get it
I fly jets, everything is instrument up there, but still, i love brushing up on the basics every once in a while... and let me tell ya'll, this is by far one of the best, easiest, clearest VOR videos on youtube. cheers brother, great job.
I watched over 20 explanatory videos, in multiple languages, totaling hours of videos and you managed to sum it all up in less than 10 minutes and I finally got it. Thank you very much! You could make more videos like that, they're perfect!
Thanks for the complement! Glad it was helpful
instrument student here just wanna say this is amazing! I went from not understanding why i was getting the wrong answer, to drawing it out and getting every question correct.
Awesome, so glad it was helpful
Thank you. Someone that finally made sense of this. I have been working on this for almost 2 months and it hasn't even begun to make sense until this moment. First thing that has made sense in my IFR training!!!!!!!!
Glad it was helpful
Got it.... i effing got it.... i musta watched 50-11 vor videos prior to this one. And i got on the 1st try. Thank you, Loves2fly
Fantastic!
I have to admit that this is the most accurate explanation to really understand VORs , THANK YOU THANK YOU
You are very welcome
Wow, I'm annoyed I didn't find this day one of understanding VOR based position. Thank you so much. Just starting my instrument instruction and this was BY FAR the clearest instruction of this concept. This is how this should be taught.
Thanks so much! Glad it was helpful
This is the only explanation of this I've found that doesn't work its way into a tangled mess off confusion and repetition
I will take that as a complement:)
4 years after this was posted and here I am. This right here explained the CDI perfectly for me. I struggled with the whole concept and could never envision it. But you my good sir, you just made it all make sense. Thank you.
You are so kind, thanks
really good lesson, i learned it in like 4 mins i got an exam tmr wish me luck boys
Thanks, hope you did well
How did the exam go?
@@joshuabeeler1930 i fucking failed and got expelled
@@Loves2Fly i DID NOT DO WELL WHAT SO EVER
Studying for the written and this really helped. Thank you for making this
I don't know why VOR is so hard to get into my brain, but this video did it perfectly - thanks.
So glad it was helpful
Thanks a lot, student pilot here and this video finally helped it click
Nice. Thanks
Best explanation of how to solve the FAA problems I've seen....and....I've looked for a long time!
I struggle the most with VORs but this video just helped me visualize them! Thank you so much!
So glad it was helpful
Nicely done. As a telecommunications instructor, I know a lot work went into that video. Look forward to your next one!
Thanks, what would you like to see next?
FeelYourGoals Thanks for asking. As a PPL, I typically watch things related to IFR.
Oh my goodness, why didn't I see this video when I was working on my instrument rating?!? Super easy and super helpful to understand!
Thanks!
Could you please do the same explanation for HSI?
Yes, stay tuned
I really like King School videos, but THIS really clicked for me. Thank you so much!
Thanks for watching. Glad you liked it
this was really well explained and made it finally click after trying to learn vor's and how they work from like 3 different people thank you so much!
Glad it helped!
Thanks for this video, it really helps me studying for my FAA PPL Written exam!
Glad it was helpful
If I understand correctly, based on the example of 210, if you see the To is in the upper quadrant and the needle is to right, then the upper right quadrant shows the range of headings that you would fly to get to the station to intercept the 210 radial. If the range of headings to get to the station is in the upper right quadrant, then the opposite of that is the lower left which places you north-east of the VOR and south of the 030 (tail of the 210) radial. To intercept the 210 you could fly either direct to the 030 radial (90 degrees) intercept of 300 or a 45 degree intercept which would be 255.
Very nicely explained, by far the simplest VOR video I ever watched. Thank you!
Thank you. I am glad it was helpful.
I’m sitting my RNav ATPL exam soon and this is the best explanation out of all the other videos on yt, thanks a lot 🙏
So glad it was helpful!
finally after watching so many vor videos this one nails it. so simple to visualise now.... thanks
Thanks for the complement! I’m glad it was helpful.
I got more confused by this than before, I dont know why. Just felt very messy?
Thanks for the video! I have STRUGGLED with this concept. Thank you for talking through each step.
Ashley, Glad it was helpful. Check out our latest videos. We are on a short vacation with the kids:)
thanks so much man being struggling since ppl... and now just started my instrument and i got this ur explanation thanks man am so happy
Working on PPL this has been a great help. Thank you sir!
Glad it helped
i only fly on simulator but man this helped me realise how simple of a concept VOR is on a basic instrument
Glad it was helpful
Thanks it's been a while since in the books thanks for the refresher
Very helpful to me as I'm trying to improve my knowledge of the VOR.
Such a helpful reminder as I prep IFR written. Thank you!
Best video I've seen in the subject. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching
Thank you so much for the video. Really helped me visualize how the VOR works. Basically whatever you have the course set to, it seems the aircraft is opposite of what the instrument indicates
Yes, someday they will take these questions off the test.
@Loves2Fly I know they are slowly phasing out VOR as they break.... I'm currently in the middle of ppl and haven't taken the written test yet
I wish this was something I didn't need to know... I'll have to watch this video more to hopefully get it
I thought the TO indicated you were flying toward the radial but your video makes it seem like that's the opposite...
Still confused 😕
@@flying_pig4243 It has nothing to do with which direction you're flying. It's merely about your position relative to the VOR. You could going in any direction. The CDI regards you merely as a point in space. "TO" just means that someone whose true course *was* the same as the radial with no deviation would be going towards the VOR. If you *want* to be going "TO" the VOR, fly the plane in a way that makes that true, i.e. match true course to radial and eliminate deviation.
great help, man. with 3000+ hours fixed and rotary, now i feel i can navigate on paper too!!!😂😂
Thanks for watching
So grateful for this because now it all makes sense
Glad it was helpful! Check out our other videos- I took a year off to sail with the family here in the Med.
It's actually starting to click now. Thanks for posting this video.
Welcome!
I had to watch the video several times before it sunk in, but finally!!
Glad it was helpful
I’m returning to flying after 25 years (!) and making myself start from the beginning. I agree, this is an outstanding explanation and the way you broke it down into halves and then quadrants was simply outstanding. As I hope a constructive comment, I found the skeuomorphic writing/erasing distracting though it kept the pace slow enough to absorb the info as you presented it. Still, overall I highly appreciate and recommend this video for someone trying to build a good mental model of how VORs worth with CDIs.
Thanks. I appriciate your comments
confusing as hell
2 years later and I'm still lost, no pun intended
True
Yes FACTS it is still today... must use it like rly everyday or often to learn use it be good at it for sure
😂
@@Steveyg2015😂
it really helps to think of too as to the radial instead of to the station. Thanks
Glad it was helpful. Next year when we get back from sailing, I will be making more videos. What would also be helpful?
Well done, nice teaching method. Thanks so much.
Best vid I've seen on VOR
Thanks
Excellent video, but when perpendicular to the station, in cone of confusion, is the CDI needle direction valid?
Great question! The cone of confusion only happens when flying directly over the VOR. This is normally indicated by the needle and flag jumping back and forth until passage has happened. When away from the station, even crossing the 90 degree line. the flag will simply change from either TO to FROM or vise versa. The CDI needle will always be accurate if the signal is being received when away from the station.
Easy . Please do one on the HSI
SunWorthy Sailing how to interpret.setting course , interpreting its course deviation bar too
Awesome explanation. So simple
Glad it was helpful!
You are the best
Plz continue
Thanks
Very useful method and strongly advised! TBH I've developed a bit different logic for myself but it was a struggle for a some time before I was able to do that. Knowing this method earlier would have saved a lots of time and some grey hair for me - and I may also switch to this one. :D
Thanks, glad it was helpful. What is your method?
@@Loves2Fly It's kind of "brute force", nothing really special. After a lots of hours spent practicing these I can quickly visualize it in my mind, where am I. "TO" means I'm around the reciprocal radial of the set value from VOR perspective (so around the tail of the OBS arrow) and the direction of the deviation - and so the real VOR radial - can easily be identified after you have this picture in your mind.
But your solution requires a lot less counting, easier to adapt and thus much more fail proof, gives a better picture of the situation quicker. :)
I was trying to understand it for so long. Thank you so much! I finally know how this works.
needed to brush up. thanks for the quick reminder
okay so to my understanding VOR is a navigation aid, you use OBS (omni bearing selector) to go to or from a VOR stations.. the CDI needle is the course deviation indicator and lets say we set course and the needle is to my left then that means my position is to the right and I have to head to my left in order to go back into course? im using hypothetical cause im in ground school and have only a discovery flight logged LOL.
If the needle is to the left then the course is to your left
awesome instruction! Do you have one for hold pattern entry?
Nicely and well explained!!
Thanks a lot 😊
The music is a bit distracting but thank you for the knowledge
This was one of my first videos. I was a little heavy on the “background” music. Thanks for watching
I'm here for my NCATT AET DNS endorsement because I heard there a lot of this on there.
I need to watch this daily.
Thanks, I hope it is helpful. Eventually I also hope the FAA will just take this off the exam and focus on electronic systems which are way more accurate.
@@Loves2Fly I still understand the necessity of having it on the test as a kind of "fail-safe" incase the need arises. But man It really would be great if they pulled it from the test!
Thanks man, is it possible to do all nine?
Yes, when I get back from sailing with the family next year
that music is a real pain
Ditto
Reminds me of a cheesy infomercial about some "miraculous" healing or enhancing product, get rich quick scheme, or religious testimonial from a megachurch or Chuch of Scientology. Pompous and pretentious. 🤮
There is a music free version on the page if you prefer:)
Finally got it 20 year retread trying to speak for rmi and his again!!!
Glad it was helpful
So at the 5 minute mark, you put the 210 degree radial up top. Right after that you did the same thing but put the radial at the bottom where 210 would normally be. Why the difference?
The second example is the same but just rotated to north up like you were reading a chart.
Thank you for this awesome video. Also, you are really good at drawing things!
Well done very educational
Thanks
Really appreciate your video
Thanks Kydin
Awesome video! working towards ppl Thanks!
I was looking for pilot stuff and found a guitar concert. Thanks for the effort anyways :)
There is a music free version for those who don’t think in stereo.
Me too!! Thank Youi Loves2Fly!! Outstanding demonstrations!!
You are so welcome
This video helped a lot, thanks!
Glad it was helpful
Great explanation: thank you!👍🏽👍🏽
Looks like CDI needle and to/from arrow shows us where we are NOT located.
How is that?
This helps a lot
i didnt get example 3?
What is the confusing part?
@@Loves2Fly i got it thanks.
Excellent video.
Thank you
Great job very helpful
link ? to website so I can get the booklet ? TY
www.faa.gov/training_testing/testing/supplements/media/akts_listing.pdf
Great instruction. Distracting graphics however
I’m sure it is better than staring at my ugly mug, lol
@@Loves2Fly
Don't get me wrong. I am grateful for the work you put into the videos and I appreciate how you are helping me get my IFR. It's just that I found this aspect distracting. Overcomeable but interfered a bit with concentration. I am subscribed and look forward to working my way through the rest of your videos.
wow! simply awesome
Thanks Cyril
@@Loves2Fly just watched your airspace's video it's really good and easy to understand.
The key is the TO/FROM flag.
Think "FROM The Same Side" OR think "TO The Other Side" ... all in relation to what radial was dialed in with the OBS selector.
360 radial dialed in with a centered needle and a
TO flag? "TO the other side" ... you are on the other side of the VOR (or on the 180 radial.)
FROM flag? "FROM the same side" ... you are on the same side of the VOR (or on the 360 radial).
Excellent video BUT still confusing on two key points - 1. clarity needed on impact of having a TO or FROM FLAG 2. WHEN IS PLANE ABOVE HORIZONTAL AND WHEN BELOW?
The example is looking down from space. Regardless of your heading, if what you have set in the OBS (the radial, or spoke of the wheel) is on the other side of the VOR from you, it will display a TO flag.
Very nice explanation,
Thanks
massive help! thanks mate
but this doesn't help when asked for the cardinal direction from the VOR.
Where’s the link
Thank you
Hi, early on you say you will provide a link to the downloadable sample test from FAA but I don’t see it?
@@Loves2Fly excellent! Thanks!
I sure appreciate it, Sir!
Thank you! So easy now!
good video! appreciated
Why is there music playing in the background?.....
Sorry, it was one of my first videos. I listen to music while studying, but I never realized how frustrating that is to some people. There is also a no music version
@@Loves2Fly Thanks for the response. Do you have the link to the revised tutorial?
@@davidweenendesignbuild4970 I don’t know why TH-cam would delete it, but I can find it! I will upload it again if I have the file here on the boat. The Airspace one with no music has also disappeared.
@@davidweenendesignbuild4970 Here it is hot off the press, again lol th-cam.com/video/kjT5sB3nIDg/w-d-xo.html
@@davidweenendesignbuild4970 th-cam.com/video/kjT5sB3nIDg/w-d-xo.html
I think it would be easier if the radial didnt go above the vor and just was below since the radial from the VOR, right? lol
Yes the radial only extends from the VOR outward, though you can still navigate “To” the radial even on the opposite side.
Oww, cool explanation! Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video but couldn't hear much with the background music unless I crank up the volume.
Sorry about that, you will find a music-free version in the videos also.
Really helpful! Thank you
background music necessary? noting understandable with music.
Sorry, it’s not. These were some early videos when I was still learning. Thanks for watching
amazing!!! thank you sir :)
Pretty helpful. Taking my written next week.
clear where can i practice?
Very helpful!
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching
Very well explained. Only wish you hadn’t put an arrow head on the pivot point of your CDI illustrations. For some reason, it kept throwing me at first.
Thanks for the input. Glad it was helpful
Love it. Thank you.
Glad you found it useful.