I love these videos. Thanks for the translation! Also, you should make a real wide Mini-4WD with tires shifted 90° that ride the walls (like big rollers) instead of the bottom of the track, + that propeller for ground effect.
What an interesting engineering challenge! I never saw this before, is there a website about it? (Ah, never mind, I found that they’re called Mini 4WD :-) I have a suggestion about maximizing downforce: The propeller makes a lower pressure area under the car than above it. Force is pressure difference x area. If you made an extended plate covering the whole bottom of the car, the same difference in air pressure would result in more downforce. - Of course, this would only work when the car is on the track; once it loses contact with the ground, it’s not the pressure difference that matters, only the thrust generated by the propeller. Maybe it would help it stay on the track longer though, before it breaks loose. This was so interesting, and a very clever design(!) I want to learn more about this contest! 👍😁
Cool concept and thanks for the translation! You could keep the central motor positioning if you put teeth on both sides of the front crown gear. And I think the flipping on the apex might be made worse by the tilting roller, only one touches the wall through a corner so it produces a rolling torque instead of a pure downwards force.
they should watch the f1 video back when one team made a car similar to this, had a fan, was much faster, they ditched the idea to avoid penalties within a race.
I suggest you to make a gear ring around the propeller that needs low RPM and high torque. On that way you can mount the propeller running motor horizontally and improve your aerodynamics. For gear ring you can use a zip tie.
Love your approach towards aerodynamics! Is it not possible to to drive the propeller from the same motor, using gears - then you you could take away the propeller motor? I think that your propeller intake is to large - what if you made it into a duct, so that you would create more suction? Anyways - LOVE YOUR WORK!!!!
It is possible to run everything with 1 motor but that’s gonna lower the over all rpm and end up having lower top speed. Since these are running almost at the top speed the entire time, it may effect the time more than air resistance on the propeller motor. We don’t know for sure tho, there are various motors and some of them are tuned for power instead of rpm, so that might help?
Hi! One more tip : since the track only curves in one direction (to the right), it would make sense to mount the propeller asymmetrical as far as possible to the inside. Also you should first test the actual downforce it generates with a scale, in order to get significant benefits, it should be at least half the weight of the whole car, probably more. The shape of the rest of the undercarriage will also influence the downforce a lot
Nice idea with the movable unit, if I may suggest, try to make the duct out of TPU, and try to get a 3 bladed propeller that's a bit larger than the duct and cut it down so it has a bull-nose shape and fit inside the duct very tightly, then break-in the duct with the propeller running inside so that the gap is very close and the downforce increases
And the bottom skirt needs a lip that goes all the way around its perimeter with close to 1mm of clearance from the track surface. The more consistent it can be kept near the track, that car can stay "glued".
Pretty awesome work. If you swap the PH2 connector on the battery for an XT30 you'll get significantly better performance from the battery. I'm coming from the FPV world and we've documented this thoroughly. Not sure how effective it would be here but if you have any battery limitations at all it would help.
When I get videos like this in my recommendations - I always wish I could understand Japanese. I can read the subtitles but it’s not the same. However - awesome project !! 👍🏻💪🏻
since you are racing clockwise you should move the driving motor and battery to the inside of the turn, your propeller frame seems to already have positions for such a mounting provision. in addition, adding skirting around the bottom and ducting to direct the propeller thrust should increase effectiveness much like Jim Hall's "Chaparral 2J"
That's awesome! I think you can get a lot better performance if you change the propellor. Maybe print something like a small PC fan. The more the blades look like they come from a turbo, the better they'll be at sucking the car to the ground.
This is kinda a old Concept, Started in 1970, The car might give you memories, The Chaparral 2J. But yeah, I wish people would actually use it more often because it’s really cool
I see you're going to make a vacuum effect just like Brabham's F1 BT46B car. So i recommend you to watch the car including every details, like insulated floor to create vacuum. Cool ideas though!
i love your vids ....i wish we had the hobbie in the usa ...i come across cars rarely and we all thought thay were bad rc cars till i found your channel and have a hole new hobbie we had to import track tho
さすがマルチスケイルのカイリューだ、ミニ四駆が直撃してもなんともないぜ！
先駆者の一人がためにならなさそうなんだけどこの回は普通にためになったんだよね…
発想力のためならおじさんだからね。
技術はあとに追い抜く者たちが確立してくから。
おじさん、いろんな改造を開拓してくれるから結構ためになってる
ルール無用JCJCタイムアタック考案者であり先駆者という揺るぎない事実とアイデンティティは、今も数々のリスペクトによって支えられています。
「すまんかった」「して」「爆発エフェクトによるコースアウト」「人力3Dプリンター」というルール無用JCJCタイムアタック界に燦然と輝く数々のネタは、我々の心の拠り所として今なお圧倒的信頼をもってクリエイター達に受け継がれているのです。
なぜならそれは柔軟な発想と予想外の展開、トライアンドエラーによる成功体験をもたらしてくれる唯一無二の存在だからです。
0を1にしていく男ためなら
ためおじは犠牲になったのだ•••
3:57
カイリューのマルチスケイルの止め性能の強さを実感した瞬間
1位の記録を所持しながらも研究し、さらに進展を見せていく。
これは愛ですね。愛
空力！って聞いた瞬間に脳裏に「へぇー皆さんは」って浮かんでしまった…
へぇい
皆さんはこちらの「トライピオ」をご存知でしょうか
毎回凄い！卍じゃなくても速い！
あと毎回できたときの「～、完成だ！」でワクワクし、エンディングの落ち着いた音に癒される。
同じ空力でも結構違ったアプローチ思いつくのすげーや
ファンカーといって昔からある理論上は最速になるマシン
ウイングと違って空気抵抗を増やさずにダウンフォースを得られるからね
ゲームのグランツーリスモのレッドブルXてのも同じ理論で設計されてるよ
一つ一つアイディアを形にしていくアズパカさんの開拓動画からしか得られない栄養がある
毎回、発想をちゃんと形に落とし込めるのすごい
凄すぎてめちゃくちゃ鳥肌立ちました。ローラーが下がり、同時にタイヤが地面から離れることで推進力が抜けてコースアウトを防ぐという…！
タイム更新応援しています‼️
Hi! The hinge mechanism is genious! I wonder how 3-bladed propeller would work in this setup.
アズパカさんがロマンと実用の両立してて一番好き
待ってました！
楽しみにしてました！
通知来て全ての作業をぶん投げて観させていただきました！
そして楽しかった！
次の闘いも楽しみにしています！
先駆者と同じアイデアとはいえ、これまでの経験を織り込んでオリジナリティを出していくセンス
0:36左が第一の先駆者で右が第二の先駆者。
どうしても形状的に似てしまうがアズバカさんの設計と出力技術でアレンジして2:45出すのはすごい😮
I love these videos. Thanks for the translation! Also, you should make a real wide Mini-4WD with tires shifted 90° that ride the walls (like big rollers) instead of the bottom of the track, + that propeller for ground effect.
I translated it properly, but are you Japan person? Or are they gaijin?
@@BOKUSENBEINOKIWAMI I am italian. The translation is great.
Other people have tried wall running 4WDs, but even if it worked it wasn’t quite as fast as other customizations such as these down force machines.
@@Stryxxxx Never thought I would've had a conversation about Mini-4WD with Jesus Christ himself. Not for a while at least.
@@Stryxxxx omg 😂😂😂
アズパカさん四駆にこだわりますね。そこが凄いです。
コースによって原因を分析し前後左右全く違うチューニングをし、試行錯誤してる。素晴らしいと思う。
What an interesting engineering challenge! I never saw this before, is there a website about it? (Ah, never mind, I found that they’re called Mini 4WD :-)
I have a suggestion about maximizing downforce: The propeller makes a lower pressure area under the car than above it. Force is pressure difference x area. If you made an extended plate covering the whole bottom of the car, the same difference in air pressure would result in more downforce.
- Of course, this would only work when the car is on the track; once it loses contact with the ground, it’s not the pressure difference that matters, only the thrust generated by the propeller. Maybe it would help it stay on the track longer though, before it breaks loose.
This was so interesting, and a very clever design(!) I want to learn more about this contest! 👍😁
合理的に改造されていく様が気持ちいい
いろいろ試していくパカ氏いいね
今後の進展に期待
今更気づいたんだけど、ナットが左右で赤青になってて先駆者ためおじ氏もちゃんと意識してるやん！！
とうとう空力分野にまで手を伸ばし出した偶蹄類www
I am so emotionally invested in this design journey. You can do it!!! Good luck!!!
🤣
ダウンフォースマシンの有用性は先駆者の研究でわかっていたけど、そこに追加で可変スラスト組み込んでくる発想が凄い
そして相変わらず頼りになるカイリュー
いつ見ても結果からの調整のセンスがすごいんだよなぁ
This is so dope!
All the little changes.
The slow-mo really helps too
Cool concept and thanks for the translation!
You could keep the central motor positioning if you put teeth on both sides of the front crown gear. And I think the flipping on the apex might be made worse by the tilting roller, only one touches the wall through a corner so it produces a rolling torque instead of a pure downwards force.
they should watch the f1 video back when one team made a car similar to this, had a fan, was much faster, they ditched the idea to avoid penalties within a race.
I watched the whole thing not knowing there was a translation
@@MegaTommy105 LOL
I suggest you to make a gear ring around the propeller that needs low RPM and high torque. On that way you can mount the propeller running motor horizontally and improve your aerodynamics. For gear ring you can use a zip tie.
家からサラッとドローン出てくるとか、凄っ！
単純なプロペラダウンフォースマシンにならないところがスゴイ！
I love your videos, can't wait for next and next one. :)
ファンカーのブラバムBT46とツインシャシー構造のロータス88を融合させた当に夢のマシン!! あとはファンでのダウンフォース量を増やせればかなり安定して走れそう!!
同じ事を書こうと思いました。 あとは先駆者を真似て下面をスカート構造にしたら安定も増すと思います。
@@jacksonhead6971 LCで下方にスライドする側のシャシーを上手く使ってサイドスカートを展開できるようになって飛び上がりながらも少しでも負圧を生み出せると面白そうなのですが……。
きっとコーリンチャップマン氏もゴードンマーレーしても喜んでいると思います。
フロア下の風の流れを後ろに流したらどうだろう？
@@user-ks1is2tf2t 問題はいかに素早く後ろに空気を抜くかなんですが、速度的に強制的に抜くしかないのでファンを追加するしかないですが、その分マシンも重くなるので……。LC以外では今のファンの改良でもっとダウンフォース出せると思うので、その延長線上が良さそう。
Love your approach towards aerodynamics! Is it not possible to to drive the propeller from the same motor, using gears - then you you could take away the propeller motor? I think that your propeller intake is to large - what if you made it into a duct, so that you would create more suction? Anyways - LOVE YOUR WORK!!!!
It is possible to run everything with 1 motor but that’s gonna lower the over all rpm and end up having lower top speed. Since these are running almost at the top speed the entire time, it may effect the time more than air resistance on the propeller motor. We don’t know for sure tho, there are various motors and some of them are tuned for power instead of rpm, so that might help?
土屋博士「ミニ四駆に必要なのは空力なんだ」
やっぱ困った時はマルスケカイリュー出しておけばええって偉い人も言ってたもんな。
タイム更新できそうで次の動画楽しみにしています！
すごい！空力マシンって
ファンで吸い上げた空気をエキゾーストの様に絞って吐き出すと 実際の走行がどう変化するのか 見てみたいです！
恐ろしい事にF1で実在して早すぎて難癖つけられて禁止になったらしいです
この形式のファンは軸流ファンというようですが、出口を絞ると入りきらなかった分の空気が滞るだけなので、単純に効果が薄くなると思います。
遠心ファンやブロアファンでターボチャージャーのように遠心力で押し込んでやれば、流速も上がるので、方向次第でドラッグが減らせるかもしれませんね。
ボディに連結させた屋根をファン上部に取り付けて屋根の角度で風を制御すれば更なるダウンフォース&推進力へ転化できるのではないだろうか
ARシャーシもこういうのを活かしたシャーシです
3:58 マルチスケイルほのおのうず強すぎだろ…
Hi! One more tip : since the track only curves in one direction (to the right), it would make sense to mount the propeller asymmetrical as far as possible to the inside. Also you should first test the actual downforce it generates with a scale, in order to get significant benefits, it should be at least half the weight of the whole car, probably more. The shape of the rest of the undercarriage will also influence the downforce a lot
今回も面白かった！
まさか、ゴードン･マーレーもミニ四駆にグランドエフェクトを使われるとは開発者した時は思わなかっただろうな。
それにしても、トライ&エラーで性能向上がスゴい。
ギミック満載のごちゃごちゃマシンでもアズパカさんのはなんかカッコいいとこがある
既に凄い記録出てるけどそれの改良でなく新たなベクトルの魔改造にも手を出す思い切りが凄いし楽しい
でも今から45年以上も前に人間が乗り・操作する600kgとか700kgとかある現実のF1車両で既に同じ事やり始めていた連中が居たってのが最高にクレイジーでマッドですよね・・・
ルール無用らしい知見の融合が始まって嬉しい
I have no idea how TH-cam recommended this to me but this was the coolest video I've seen in a long time and now I'm hooked
That was genuinely fascinating to watch, thanks for the subtitles.
毎度毎度発想を実現させてくるのが凄過ぎる。
待ってました。
0:35のトライピオにクソ笑った☺
空力…もといダウンフォースといったらトライピオ
アイデアと3dプリンタでバリエーション豊富！
空力マシンよりもフロントバンパーとスキッドの連動ギミックがスゴイ。
Nice idea with the movable unit, if I may suggest, try to make the duct out of TPU, and try to get a 3 bladed propeller that's a bit larger than the duct and cut it down so it has a bull-nose shape and fit inside the duct very tightly, then break-in the duct with the propeller running inside so that the gap is very close and the downforce increases
And the bottom skirt needs a lip that goes all the way around its perimeter with close to 1mm of clearance from the track surface. The more consistent it can be kept near the track, that car can stay "glued".
Pretty awesome work. If you swap the PH2 connector on the battery for an XT30 you'll get significantly better performance from the battery. I'm coming from the FPV world and we've documented this thoroughly. Not sure how effective it would be here but if you have any battery limitations at all it would help.
lol I was just about to write this
and then i see you here :)
何だかよくわかりませんが、自分のアイデアを具現化していくのは凄いですね！３Ｄプリンタで召喚！！（笑）
検証→新しいアイデアを繰り返してる内に神アイデアが生まれそうですね！
トライアンドエラーの過程を見てると、アイディア力と技術力に脱帽します
この構想力はさすが
Thank you for the translation. 👍🏼 This video was a lot of fun to watch and really entertaining.
This guy is probably the best pocket circuit fighter!!
When I get videos like this in my recommendations - I always wish I could understand Japanese. I can read the subtitles but it’s not the same. However - awesome project !! 👍🏻💪🏻
やっぱり天才なんだよなぁ
I hope you continue! enjoyed this video and watching the evolution of your design
凄いアイデアだ、しかも実現するのは面白い
だんだんとためおじプロデューサーの思想を各クリエイターたちがブラッシュアップして形にしていく流れになっているw
もはや、ファンカーが銀の弾丸ではなくなってきてるのが面白いな。初めて出てきた時はこれこそが最適解かと思ったのに。
前後ツインプロペラにしてダウンフォース倍にしたマシンとか見てみたいです
もうLCにベッタリ張り付いて駆け抜けてほしい！
風の抜けるところにボーテックスジェネレーターつけて気流の動きを良くすれば吸い付ける力少し上げれるかもしれませんね
ボルテックスジェネレータは、エネルギーを与えて剥離を遅くするギミックだから。
それに、このスケールのレイノルズ数だと、細かいことやっても効果は薄い気がする。
独自の理論をもとに形にしていった結果、先駆者のデザインと似つつも楽し気なギミックが入るの好き。
そいやファン形状を変えたりしないのかなーと思ってみたり。エアホイルファンとか。あとロボットのハンド向けに非接触チャックとかあるけどそんなのも。
自分もルール無用JCJCトライしてみたいけど床がない・・
次回作もどんなものが出てくるかわくわくしながら楽しみにしてます～
since you are racing clockwise you should move the driving motor and battery to the inside of the turn, your propeller frame seems to already have positions for such a mounting provision. in addition, adding skirting around the bottom and ducting to direct the propeller thrust should increase effectiveness much like Jim Hall's "Chaparral 2J"
今のミニ四駆はこんなに早くなっているのか！？と、驚きました！！
カレイな走りっぷりですね
謝謝演算法讓我看到這影片，太神了!果然高手在民間😍
アズパカさんが3Dプリンターで使ってるレモン色のプラスチックが凄く軽く速そうに見えて好きです
I loved this video. With subtitles I was able to understand the information and it is a great concept.
見事な設計力。
That's awesome! I think you can get a lot better performance if you change the propellor. Maybe print something like a small PC fan. The more the blades look like they come from a turbo, the better they'll be at sucking the car to the ground.
偶然見つけたチャンネルだが面白そうなので今から過去回を視聴してきます✨😆♪
I believe Placing the battery on the tight hand side/ inner side would help stabilizing it?
I mean the way he approached the problem is really dope but is no one gonna talk about the dragonite along with the fainting sound effects? 🤣
やはり空力といえばこの色ですよね
何故か分からないけどしっくりきます
2:13 ここの発想ホント天才、目からウロコだった
個人的には重量物の電池を右側にしたらどうなるか気になる
すごーい。こりゃもう雪印みたいな6枚プロペラに…
シャパラル2Jを強く思い出しました……
やはりファンカーはあたおか技術すぎる……
待ってました！
アズパカさんの新鮮な動画だ！
待ってましたァァァ！！！
こだわらずにガンガン行くタイプなの好き^_^
Very cool project!
新型にガラッと変わっても2秒半を出せるところがすばらしい
This is kinda a old Concept, Started in 1970, The car might give you memories, The Chaparral 2J. But yeah, I wish people would actually use it more often because it’s really cool
新機構を軽く試しながらでも2.5秒は切ってくるのが力量差を感じるな
ローラーステーがウイングに、電池入れがサイドポンツーンに見えてカッコよさげ
空力と言えばユウタさんとためおじさん😁
今回もカイリューが活躍ですね(笑)
Doesn't the fan car's downforce get lessened/unstable if it goes up in the air?
偶蹄目先生の設計がいつもながら凄いのですがそろそろ編集がイカス点についても言及していきたいです。よっ！バラエティ番組名監督！
トイドローンちょい前のやつ操作難しいですよね…今や６千円台でカメラつきスマホペアリングなんてのもありますが。
I see you're going to make a vacuum effect just like Brabham's F1 BT46B car. So i recommend you to watch the car including every details, like insulated floor to create vacuum. Cool ideas though!
このチャンネルにはロマンしか無い
i love your vids ....i wish we had the hobbie in the usa ...i come across cars rarely and we all thought thay were bad rc cars till i found your channel and have a hole new hobbie we had to import track tho
what about adding front skirt and rear diffuser or some material around the front to improve the vacuum beneath the car?
待ってました‼️
That's so nalstalgic and insane...🤣 and very creative.
右側にも電池おいて、浮き上がり防止とパワーアップとか面白そうですね