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Sony A7sIII ZV-1 AMAZING Stabilization: No More Gimbals?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ย. 2020
- The Sony A7SIII, ZV-1, FX-9, and RX0 II can be stabilized in post using Sony's Catalyst Browse software - and it's incredible. You can shoot handheld footage that looks like a gimbal. But is it perfect? Watch my real-world tests to find out. Learn filmmaking from me: myfilm.school/...
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Very impressive! This is going to open up a lot of new options for shots!
Hi Matt, I built a computer to the specs on one of your video.. Rocks... thanks for making these vids... you area legend.
But 7sIII still crazy price
Matt J, please test this yourself and kindly share results. Please clarify whether the gyroscopic meta-data works with only 30 fps or 24 fps, which is apparently the case with the a7c. Great if the Browse / Catalyst stabilization works with 60 fps footage, whether 4k or 1080p.
@@mirthakoch AAAAH! that is why it is not acepting my a/siii files!
Why can’t Sony just do this “in camera”?
Thanks for doing these tests. I know they take a ton of time to do, so thanks.
The more I see the ZV-1 I sense it's way underappreciated. So many 'tech nuggets' keep popping up that it may become a reference class product where people 'discover' many cool things they can do with it never valued or noticed early on. Really impressive and great job Brandon!
The ZV-1 is really the "test the water" product. The ZV-2 needs the new menu, 10-bit 4k60 and better bionz XR chip inside.
There's always a compromise although this is great. you're paying the price with cranking up your shutter so all the realistic motion blur is gone. Then cropping and lost of all the high quality we crave. I see this useful only to save a shot or 2. I don't see now going handheld because of this and not using a gimble. Not to mention the extra step to go through your files stable them then tweak then export. Nice to know we do have an option to save us in a pinch, but no way would I use this in a regular workflow. 🤙🏼 Thank you for this Brandon.
Then you dont have to use ND Filters.
It has much deeper usability as a way to remove subtle shakes from traditionally stabilized shots (gimbal, steadicam, slider, auto rig). In cases with mild camera shake, you can use a 180 shutter angle and still get good results with Catalyst. As with all tools, it has strengths and drawbacks.
@@BrandonLiUnscripted Having to switch OFF the IBIS and the lens OIS to use it, I think it´s too risky.
You can use the 180 degree shutter rule. It's just that the greater the stabilisation needed, the worse the motion blur becomes. If your shot is pretty stable to begin with, you don't need to crank up your shutter. It's the difference between getting shot with a high shutter speed vs not getting the shot at all.
@@texelnet you should be switching ibis off if you're doing any panning motion on a gimbal anyway.
This being only usable with higher shutterspeed, I can see the AWESOME use of this for running action scenes where the fast shutterspeed will enhance the action. Great tool to have.
Ok so now this camera is literally perfection
Amazing stabilization, but its a trade-off with the stuttery fast shutter speed
You can add motion blur in post
@@Deatarus51 reelsmart motion blur is great for that. Is used a lot on render CG since blur in render GC is extremely slow. Plus I think there are some free tools that do the same.
What will be great is using the same metadata info for this motion blur plugins to apply blur before the crop to avoid some additional crop when some unwanted artifact may appear. I think Sony can add that feature in their software if is a demand for it.
@@Deatarus51 It would definitely help, but for things like the guys hands in the running shot, it's never going to look as authentic as an actual 180 degree shutter. It would also be a hassle to run every stabilized clip through a motion blur plugin, which usually require moderate render times.
Can you shoot with higher Flatrate, so you can have a fast shutter speed?
Or is it limited to 24/25fps?
there are after effects plugins that can calculate intelligent real looking motion blur, software solutions are the best haha
The classic Brandon Li “full out gimbal sprint” NEVER fails to impress the hell out of me😂😊🖤
Ya those 3 drawbacks (added crop, stabilization unpredictability, and loss of realistic motion blur) is a tough pill to swallow, but I can see this coming in handy in certain instances. Like you said, it has its strengths and drawbacks. I don't foresee myself using it often, but who knows. Thanks for putting this together Brandon.
At first I was shocked how smooth the result, because everything i saw before from FX9 with gyroscope stab was with some blurry artifacts anyway. But after your words about shutter speed I was a bit disappointed because I usually don't like footage with fast shutter. So it's big minus of this method.
But anyway, it's great to have this option!
And somehow fast shutter looks good on energetic scenes like in this video.
Thank you Brandon! Beautiful video from you each time ;-)
I have been waiting for someone to test out the A7S III gyro stablization! Thanks, Brandon! GoPro had it since the introduction of Reelsteady and also the SteadXP a few years back. Finally, camera manufacturers started to implement it! Can't wait to one day put the A7S III on to an FPV drone with that gyro stabilzation.
I'd be curious to know what shutter speed he was shooting at in the majority of these clips. A nice tool to have for some really unique shots!
probably 1000
The reason why i really watching and learning from this guy is because he is not shilling for one brand. When they were all “a7siii lowlight is this and that” Brandon’s comment on his a7siii lowlight was there’s definitely noise but he just put his subject where there’s good light and that’s honesty and we the fans appreciate.
Woah no one else is talking about this. Thanks for sharing. How far do you have to crank the shutter?
I’ve heard few others talking about the metadata, Philip Bloom for one, but this is the first video I’ve seen that truly went in depth with it
i have definitely seen others talking about the gyro, but this is the first dedicated video ive seen.
Boosting the shutter doesn’t bother me because you can just add motion blur back in post later (like resolve’s motion blur or Reel smart motion blur plug-in)
Because the real thing is, before this system, if you wanna use gyro stabilization platform, you need extra equipment as it will records the data. And heavier post production as well
@@adhisip That's literally a thing. It's called steadxp:
th-cam.com/video/CrdF72yKchM/w-d-xo.html
very comprehensive! keep up the good work again, brandon!
Because I love cinematography and I need another blac magic 4k camera. Thank you Ahmed from Iraq 😁💪🏆
This is how you test features , Thanks Brandon !
First, you have an eye for the coolest shots and cinematography. Now on the demo, this is a great comparison and demonstration of this feature. Never seen it in action now I see how effective it can be, really impressed with it. Your shots with gimbal and gyroscope look Hollywood level good.
Many people don't think about just how innovative and groundbreaking Sony are. From unique audio and data formats like Minidisc, Hi-MD and UMD; to the first full frame mirrorless camera, first full frame compact camera, first 1" sensor camera, Sony have created many things. No one else has stabilization like this.
That is AMAZING! I wonder if it's possible to then add interpolated motion blur in post. Usually when I try such things it shows some artifacts. But by recording in high frame rates such as 120fps, the software will have a lot more data to work with. Such thing for example is called "pixel motion blur" in Adobe After Effects. One major downside is that it's extremely slow to process. I'll have to test that out when I get my hands on the a7s iii..
There are plugins for motion blur but none are perfect. I’d like to know which is the best currently, and if it is improved with higher frame rate shooting
@@BrandonLiUnscripted the best is real smart motion blur although it causes artifacts too.
Interpolated motion blur in post is based on analyzing vectors. Assuming you shooted in 120fps and you applied a catalyst stabilization, it would make the vector analyze between the foreground (running subject) and background even more accurate. I'm assuming it would work quite well except if the background has a lot of different pattern. It's a ton of frame to render so it would add more render time though.
Thanks for the video @Brandon Li, amazing content as usual :)
@@BrandonLiUnscripted Thanks for the video. Do you mind if I ask why you said the shutter speed needs to be cranked higher? If Catalyst is only using the internal gyro data to stabilize, then the shutter speed shouldn't matter. Thanks.
Realsmart motion blur would be your friend here.
Oh, wow. I've been using my ZV-1 for my most recent videos and bummed about the stabilization. Didn't even know this existed! Thanks!
Great tutorial Brandon. Thanks for sharing the info and techniques you use 👍🙏
Exciting to finally see an additional tool for stabilization. Thanks for another great video!
My RX 0ii has this too. So happy
That initial scene was fire! Straight from a Jason Bourne movie 🔥
Wow! I think you're bringing up another game-changing point (as many of your videos do) that could change the industry. Thank you again for putting out videos that REALLY HELP filmmakers (vs. boring VLOGS about someone's day which don't do much to help filmmakers.)
Finally someone competent tested the gyro stab. Great video as always!
Best video I have seen on this new Sony feature! And I love your conclusion.
"No More Gimbals?" - you need to crank up that shutter speed and have no motion blur.... = DEFINITELY NEED GIMBALS.
lol'd
If you want cinematic footage you need cinematic equipment :D
@@Itsallgoodtogo that's the most ridiculous statement 😂🤦♂️ I can get Cinematic footage with a Canon t4i and Magic Lantern
@@c0pyimitati0n as someone who lives from this ... Nope you can't. You can make it look ok on mobile phones but the second you see the image on a big screen you are toast. Bare minimum is a good dynamic range camera like the pocket 4k. Cheapest I'd go for the cinematic look.
@@Itsallgoodtogo you can shoot RAW video with Magic Lantern though 🤷♂️
Also "cinematic" doesn't always mean you're gonna display it on a massive projector.
@@c0pyimitati0n sell that bullcrap of magic lantern to someone who is new to this. I shot my first movie on a canon 600d and magic lantern won't make your chip suddenly shoot cleaner footage. You just get more bit rate.
Hi, minor correction, you mentioned at 1:21 the camera records the position, rotation, and acceleration. This is partially correct, with the exception of position. There is no way the camera is recording 3d positional metadata, that would record an on-board SLAM sensor with a ton of compute to process. Accelerometer is recording angular and linear acceleration but not velocity / position
Very true, thanks. Since you seem to understand this data, do you know if it’s possible to hack it for use in compositing with 3D rendered elements (instead of using visual tracking data)?
@@BrandonLiUnscripted The rotation information from accelerometers is good, so you could use it to correct the rotation estimation from a visual tracker. But for accurate 3d offset tracking you can use the acceleration data from the camera in addition to image data in some slam algorithm that uses both signals. Integrating 3d position information from only acceleration is very noisy.There may be commercial visual tracking solutions that additionally accept gryo/accel data to clean up signal.
Man awesome work!
One of the most useful videos I've seen in a while! Thanks my dude.
outstanding content I have not seen anywhere else. Thanks for your intelligent application of stabilization features, their advantages and disadvantages, and it is so valuable that you shoot in real moving conditions and that you are so familiar with gimbals and camera movement.
One thing I haven’t seen anyone cover about this camera is how the filing system is now. Had the a6000 and hated how videos were separate and in a hidden folder. Hope you can update us on this?
What impressed me by the end of your video is how spot on the focus stayed glued to your subject
Gotta say your awesome for pointing out this killer feature of this camera. Why non of the other reviewers mentioned this feature is beyond me.
DUUUUUUDE!!! That stabilization is insane!!
You haven't seen GoPro and ReelSteady. They are still 2 steps ahead.
WOW! Impressive results for sure, albeit with some compromises from a workflow perspective. A true game changer when the post-processing becomes an in-built camera feature/capability.
Not quite the silver bullet, but damn it is close. High frame rate capture makes sense for what it is trying to do. I've never really tried using motion blur in post too much, wondering how effective that might be to offset the high frame rate. Handheld is key for me, which is why I've been tied to Panasonic for long. Even if I need to use Catalyst + motion blur effects in post would be worth it for me for what I'd gain in auto focus and low light performance.
Hay UNM! I graduated in 1998. Instantly recognized the center of the universe sculpture. Great to see! Great video. Thanks!
Its a hassle to be honest. We need more automated solutions not more work.
Thank you! Very in depth and helpful video.
There was a 3rd party product by a French company I think that added this functionality to any camera. The gyro data was added to the file via the cameras audio input. Reelsteady go does an amazing job but only with gopro cameras.
just received our a7s3. loving it. 💕
little „fun“ fact: gopro is already doing this for years. reelsteady is also making use of the recorded metadata, pretty much like sony does now.
True. But it's never been done on a full-frame camera. Not the same.
Nikolay Ivanov sure! i just wanted to state that the general technology behind it is not new, making use of the gyro data in post-production. smartphones also do it, but the effect is already applied during the capture. you can't choose the degree of stabilisation before or after.
Same with iPhones (and probably tons of Android phones).
This is exciting! In the future when we shoot 8k and punch in to 6k... and we just need to figure out how to add some decent natural motion blur in post... hmm. Odd, but I really like it. I'm excited for what this will evolve into.
Can i use a stabalized lens such as the 16-35 F4 with catalyst browse? I cant seem to find the answer:(
I already knew I wanted it but this video single handedly put the a7siii on my priority list.
Wow, great review! I preordered my a7s iii a few weeks ago and didn't realize that it had that feature built in. Looking forward to testing it out. Thanks for making such a killer review!
Hey Brandon. Have you ever looked into SteadXP? Same thing but you can use it on any camera. Though it's an external device. Fairly pricey. Wonder how they compare. Thinking of testing the SteadXP with a Blackmagic. Cameras really should all have an internal gyroscope. So handy. Cheers mate 🤙
I was an early backer of their kickstarter and waited for years for an actual product release. Then it arrived and I had nothing but problems. I tried for over a year to make it work on my a7 cameras, never perfectly. It will work on blackmagic though, you just need to download the correct lens profiles. Or create them yourself, which is a labor-intensive and error-prone process. Good luck :-)
Thanks alot sir that was really really ammazing technic that every video production person love to know
I just Test it, on my a7s3 + 24-70 GM and catalyst allows me to
stabilize even when i record video with IBIS ON or IBIS and ACTIVE STAB ON too. Of course
in my opinion
ACTIVE STAB is bad soo i dont use it, but its good to know it.
I love the active ibis, especially with cage+handle &/or 60+ fps then slowing things down
Thankyou so much Brandon, I've been a fan for a long time and its so good to see all the new advances happening in 2020
Thanks for this! I've seen several TH-cam reviews for the A7s III and no one has mentioned this!
It’s a great tool for certain situations. I don’t wanna crank the shutter. But for some athletics or car commercials rolling shots it can deff be useful.
Thanks for making this video, Brandon. It was very helpful. The new A7siii is such an amazing camera and Sony is doing such an amazing job.
Your videos are always informative, upbeat, watchable, and damned interesting. I learn something new with each one that comes along. And once you stop learning, you just... stop. Thank you for your work.
Masterful video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge wise sir 🙏🏾
Brandon - nice job on this. I can see special use cases for the post-gyro data approach but it is as cumbersome, even if the results are better, as going naked (no gimbal, etc.) and depending on AE/Premiere/FC to fix it in post. I'd much rather deal with the gear than depend on a later fix. Also - pumping up the shutting speed is poison with a lot of subjects.
Big fan of your marvelous work.🤩
I have a question if you May, does the export affect the color data of the original clip?
Because you didn’t mention that in the video I believe 🤓
You’re the best!
5:20 Damn that was a really nice sprint!
Wasn't expecting that.
Google needs to implement this in Android and DJI needs to implement this for drones! I see no reason it shouldn't work in either, they both have the needed gyro sensors...
have you mentioned that this amazing stab reduces image resolution since it accepts an already encoded 4k image - then crops it and re-encodes with upscaling?
Yup I mentioned it with lots more useful info! Try watching the video, it’s very informative.
Thank you for sharing. Just wanted to check sound is spot on was wondering in 8:15 I can see did you tape your mic ( thinking RODE Wireless GO) under your shirt. Sorry for asking but I can see you moving fast and can’t hear anything disturbing the audio. I’m using the RODE Wireless GO just clipped on my shirt but any faster movement can hear in the post.
Something to consider about gyroscope, they become unreliable when under vibrations at a certain frequencies. That's why catalyst stabilization couldn't work when he mount his gimbal at a monopod. This fenomena also occur on another gyro based stabilization like Reelsteady Go. It did not work when we mount our gopro in a drone. We have to mount them in a special vibration dampener mount in order to make it work.
Great info, thanks! I need a shock mount
wow. This is actually freakin' awesome. The high shutter speed and no motion blur does make it less pleasing though. Active actually looks pretty good too.
Damn, thats mind blowing! But taking this conversation to another level, there is anybody talking about getting the gyroscopic from an external device to use in regular cameras. Picture this, a smartphone fixed on a regular camera just to colect the gyroscopic metadata to apply on the footage later, is that possible?
Is it now better than in Olympus cameras?
Yet another great tutorial from you, thanks very much, appreciate your work here.
That video just made RX0 II even more tempting to buy, thanks!
Does Catalyst render the shots? Does it affect the quality?
Would be cool if they implemented that in NLEs via plugins.
Amazing video. Thanks for putting in the effort to present all setups and scenarios. The only problem with catalyst browse is that it takes ages to stabilize the footage almost 4-5X the time of actual footage even on solid systems.
Try Gyroflow. It can read Sony footage and is much faster and more adjustable. However, it doesn’t have lens profiles for every lens, esp zooms. And can’t use steadyshot.
@@BrandonLiUnscripted Thanks. Will check out Gyroflow.
I freakin love this! Can’t wait to use this feature. Great video.
I ran out of breath just from watching you guys running.
Smoother than Hollywood has done even in this decade. Stable shots across distances is hard to pull off in any size production! This is beyond usable (very usable!) for indie film.. maybe big budget has already started adopting this.. I wouldn't know
This is like Steadxp I’d be surprised if either Sony bought up their software or they didn’t patent it and Sony are using it anyway. It’s exactly like Steadxp. If it is the same it was created about 5 years ago. It was really time consuming and took over 2 years after going on Kickstarter to get it produced. The Steadxp was a stand-alone box that you stuck on the hot shoe. You had to calibrate it by hand in software before you could run it. The advantage was you could use with any camera. The disadvantage was the time it took to bring market and really bad customer service. Good to see gyro stabilisation has made it’s way in a useful form eventually
They are not the only one doing this. GoPro, iPhone, ReelSteady etc have done this. Most phones manufacturers too
Wooohoooww, that´s amazing
Excellent explaination and presentation.. Thank you..
Excellent video and programme!!! Thanks 👌🏻👏🏻🎥📽👍🏻
Does it make the footage look less cinematic when using the Catalyst Browse software because of having to use a faster shutter speed?
Dope video, thanks for testing and sharing
A lot of food for thought here. Great tests and comparisons as always
This is not new. About five years ago or more some company made a gyroscope that went on the hotshoe of your camera and then plugged into the headphone jack of the camera to record the gyroscope movements. I think you had to use their special software or plugin also? But its good to know its being built into cameras now.
Great comparative tests. Thank you very much Brandon! 🙌🔝
I was looking to get the a7s ii but now im sold on this for sure, its just better overall
imo
This is great! Would have loved to see some results at different shutter speeds. I was super excited about this feature on the a7siii, but not sure how usable it is, if it only works with high shutter speeds. Thanks for taking the time to create and share this!
It works with your standard 1/50 ss over 24p if you are not moving too much or too fast. But if walking or running, fast shutter speed are recommended from many reviews I've seen
The shutter speed factor is a fairly big deal because not only do you lose motion blur, you also lose light.... and a LOT of it if you have to crank to 500 or more to get rid of the artifacts. Might be ok for outdoor bright conditions, but indoor shooting would take a f stop/iso hit.
Thank you, i ve watched dozens of a7 s iii videos and i wasn't even aware of that, you give great informations as usual!
Very cool! Thanks Brandon!
Ok, so I tried the stabilization with the Fx9 and noticed that while it did fix shots it also introduced in and out blurring ... perhaps I did something wrong. Any thoughts as to why?
I have that issue on A7S3.
The same. A7iv - video quality is terrible after stabilizing
What an awesome and helpful video!
This is amazing! If only Panasonic could please make this for their GH5s...
Thank you for sharing!👍
great feature, great explanation and samples! thank you Mr. Brandon!
I m considering taking your classes
This stabilization is almost better then my Go Pro Hero 3 + ARRI Trinity Combo. Well done Sony.
Oh wow. Didn't know about this. Fantastic.
I hope they gonna include the catalyst software for future directly into the camera!
i doubt you'd be able to make good enough judgement on a small camera screen vs back home on full size screen.. nice idea though (to save one step of production)
To see if our footage is usable or not.. it's a great idea.
Theoretically, they could make this an automatic in-camera feature. Fuji already did it (poorly) with the X-200 "digitial gimbal" feature. GoPro does it with Hypersmooth (also gyro based). iPhone does it.
@@BrandonLiUnscripted i guess its just down then to available processor cycles in the Camera.. If it has to process offline on a Mac, i'd guess that puts its needs way above what the Bionz XR could do natively
muziqfreek GoPro and iPhone have enough processor power. So I’m pretty sure a7siii could do it too
There are ways to deal with the high shutter speed. For example at 60fps footage would look a lot more fluid, because there is less difference between shutter time and frame time. With 120 fps you could probably convert down into 24 fps and get some motion blur without huge issues. The limit to this workaround comes from the accuracy and polling rate of the gyro.
amazing. Sony knows what they are doing
I have 3 Insta360 One R 1" cameras on the wing of my plane and they do the same thing. The smoothness is awesome. I don't know why companies weren't doing this a long time ago. I don't think this is new technology.
Does the insta360 one R bakes the gyro into the shots like EIS or you need special software to do post gyro stabilization like Sonys catalyst browse?
Algorithm wise, first patent filed late 2013, took a few years to appear on action cams and phones, and another few years to appear on Sony cameras. Still relatively new technology.
@@EinzMY The camera saves a special video file format. You open it using Insta360's software. You can set in/out points, select angle of view (4 different angles, 2 rectilinear), then export that segment saving it as an MP4 with H.264 or H.265.
@@jayphilipwilliams thats not the same
@@hostmissile9823 Try Stanford in 2011.