The Powder Ganger's Cut Content
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ย. 2024
- Episode 26 of FNV: The Cutting Room Floor, an in-depth investigation into the cut content, design and development of Fallout: New Vegas. In this episode, we explore New Vegas's the Powder Gangers cut content, including an examination of the NCRCF, unused armor, NPC's, quests, maps, creatures, dialogue and more. I didn't mention Hawkins or the Primm cut content, since I'll be saving that for future episodes! Thanks to Modder's C16 and Moburma for discovering a lot of the content shown in this video!
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the powder gangers are so interesting to me, especially their van buren counterparts. I wish they played a bigger role.
The 219 Rail Line Powder Gang is unfortunately, a lot more interesting than how they appeared in FNV. It's too bad they didn't have the Powder Ganger's threaten a major settlement like in VB.
It's clear that most of the secondary factions didn't get a chance to be fleshed out. If the legion had already a lot, and I mean A LOT, of cut content just imagine the rest. Without it, the Powder Gangers are reduced to Fiends that don't do drugs
Nah, you can befriend them for infinite dynamite and pistol powder
I mean they have an interesting backstory at least.
Insane how much more depth there was to them - in the final version, the Powder Gang are basically just an easy xp grab with no reason to side with them due to lack of content. It's cool that you can double-cross them at the end of the quest, but having some internal intrigues sounds even better, as does using turrets, which are criminally underused in New Vegas.
There really isn't, not when compared to the NCR. The Scrambler questline in particular would've gone a long way. That a really good point too. I never considered how few turrets there are in FNV
I always felt a tiny bit of it missed especially how you can be "friends" with them and quickly sell them out and such it felt all bizzarerly odd and short for how it is anyway as it was only for a single small place in the beggining areas and nthing more
you could have a story or character reason to side with them.
The only place I have seen turrets were HELIOS ONE and I think the BOS BUNKER
@@zxgaming4426 There's some more in Fortification Hill's Securitron Bunker, Vault 11, Camp Searchlight. Think there might also have been ones in HH Tools, the Lucky 38 and of course the DLC areas, but all in all they have a negligible presence throughout FNV's wasteland.
The amount of content cut is more storytelling and engagement then the entirety of fallout 4
Albert Twangle fallout 4 has worst story telling then fallout new Vegas even if it’s fun, that’s an objective fact quantified by amount of dialogue written and reviews. Don’t get triggered
Albert Twangle fallout 4 sucked and the fact you liked it probably indicates you are on the lower side of intelligence
@Albert Twangle Fallout 4 has lots of flaws and one of them is the writting and the plot
Everything else was good and fun
Cunts gotta be cunts.
4 was a good game.
Do something about it lol
Albert Twangle why are you randomly talking about your genital size?
I can't be the only one who thinks of cut content as being basically as cannon as if it was in the game
@ThombusBRex Chooch what about his not?
I assume it is. Try to mod as much as it into the game as possible.
Simply Uncut adds a lot of this cut content back to the game, it’s even voiced. It’s clearly a different VA voicing the unused lines but they do a pretty decent job at it.
It also adds the cut “release the bighorners” option in the Run Goodsprings Run quest, and adds Hawkins (powder Ganger in Quarry Junction who you always find dead in the base game) as a companion.
Warden Stroud, fancy meeting you here
Really good mod -- such a shame that the mod author got bullied by the toxic fanbase so they quit.
Hawkins was a great companion with excellent voice acting and a really funny personality -- easily the highlight of the whole mod -- it's just a shame that his companion quest is broken and will never be fixed because the mod author has abandoned the project.
@@moondrip2163 I was actually working with the team for a little bit, gave some advice when the whole Frontier fiasco was going on (which basically amounted to stay the hell out of it). When kvatchcount left I did too.
It's a damn shame cause there was a lot of stuff being planned that I was really excited for as a mod user, like more stuff for Hawkins regarding factions and BoS knights patrolling Forlorn Hope if you made the alliance.
@@cfranklin2016 So is the bug with Hawkins engaging in a staring contest with his daughter instead of talking a common bug that was left unfixed, or is it just me?
It's bad enough that the mod never reached it's fullest potential, but it's such a dang shame that one of the highlights already here is left in such a sorry state.
@@moondrip2163 I remember it being a mod conflict of some kind. I think it only showed up in mod lists that had one of someguy's mods installed, but I can't recall which one; it MIGHT be Russel, since I know Niner had an issue with one of his quests if that mod is installed, but I could be completely misremembering (especially cause I used pretty much all his mods lmao).
Another tidbit, there were actually plans to make an unofficial patch for BNW; wouldn't have been able to upload to the Nexus because Dracomie disapproved of it, but it would've been available through the discord for those who wanted it. No clue on the status of it now, I think it was pretty close to completion before I left though (since I think SU and BNW only really shared like, five characters or so.)
My guess on the female tests: to check for clipping for the female armor meshes. Nothing more tbh.
Ah interesting. The gang they were based on from Van Buren had female members, so I figured it was possible. That makes way more sense though, particularly considering there's no other remnant of female PG's.
@@TriangleCity Hey you could still be right. Like I said, its only my guess. Great video btw.
Considering how the Powder Gangers are potrayed in game, its likely that if there were female inmates, the male inmates likely... had a good time with them.
The Powder Gangers, my favorite faction in FNV!
During my first playthrough, I sided with them haha
You mean Target Practice Gangers
They were something of my favorite faction in the game because of the lack of content. So much potential lost.
Despite how much was cut, it was a masterpiece. All games have cut content, but few games are interesting enough for fans to document it.
@@TriangleCity What you say is true. We must look at the positives. Yet if Fallout were to be Remade, they would have to improve this faction.
I mean I always wanted to gangbang out in the wastes and the Powder Gangers are the best choice for that, too bad they weren’t fully fleshed out
@@plissken94th57 good news! There's a mod called New Vegas Uncut, that adds a ton of cut stuff shown on the channel. It includes the C block, a female hostage, the scrambler coup, Hawkins the Powder Ganger companion for a non-legion evil follower, adding a PG bartender to Goodsprings if you take it for Joe Cobb just so Trudy's absence doesn't make it hard to get a drink there, and a few quests for the npcs like the medicine book or cracking the safe. The same mod author also made two independent mods that add female and ghoul gangbangers to the group with really good VAs they hired for them, along with more interactive lines for the Mojave's change through the main quest. There's also this other small quest mod on the nexus that adds an npc with two more quests in the prison to add more stuff to do.
There's also another mod called "Working on the Chain Gang", which is a quest mod made to flesh out the Powder Ganger faction that was released this year. Great questline, awesome new weapons, decent voice acting -- the hallmarks of a proficient quest mod.
I look forward to a mod being made for this in a week or so.
I hope so. Unfortunately none of the dialogue remains for any of it, so you'd have to revoice the entire prison essentially.
TriangleCity hey if anyone needs a voice actor call me!
There is now. It's called Simply Uncut.
Just wanted to state that there should be a separate ending for I Fought the Law when siding with the NCR as it makes absolutely no logical sense why they would abandon the facility after taking it back especially if the NCR won Hoover Dam.
6:51 perfect dark n 64 music interesting choice haven't know many today who appreciated this n64 game soundtrack, nice!
Come on man I just finished my Brotherhood run two days ago don't send me back
The hard part isn't finding New Vegas, it's replaying it for the 10,000th time 😂
@@TriangleCity 244 hours exactly for my playthrough, it's taxing in a way
@@neanderthalknight9417 244 hrs?? Tf do you get up too?? Lmao, my every playthrough takes around 80-90 hrs to hit level 50
@@tnzn4951 I played on hardcore with no fast travel
@@neanderthalknight9417 So you treat it just like Fallout 4s Survival Mode, interesting
This was certainly one of the factions that made you go "Wait, that's it?"
Welcome to Fallout nv. If Obsidian got the time they needed, coulda been fleshed out more 😔
I actually heard the quote about the truce they offer in their camps. After messing around and shooting up the strip, I fast traveled to the strip gate entrance. Out of nowhere, a random generic powder ganger approached and initiated conversation with this quote. In my hundreds of hours of playtime, I never heard this before and felt this quote was out of place. This happened on the xbox one / 360 version.
Yeah you can strangely hear those lines, even though the camps were never completed to actually reinforce that dialogue lol
I experienced that aswell, similarly I was on xbox
I also got the dialogue. There’s a Powder Ganger in the NCRCF Visitor Center wearing a cowboy hat who you can speak too, and he will always have the dialogue from what I can tell. As long as you’re Neutral with the Powder Gangers when you talk to him, and not wearing a disguise.
In My NCR Playthrough, Some MP Jumped Me In Michael Angelo's Workshop For Fighting The NCR Despite Being In The Liked Status
I heard the quote from the first NPC in the visitor center and I have also seen the Guard dogs and had them attack me when I wasn't sided with Powder Gangers and be Passive when I sided with them. Some of the stuff in this guy's Earlier videos seem to be half-assed and not looked into that much. I Experienced this on Xbox as well.
And here I was about to resort to rewatching old shows on Netflix to stave off boredom, but Triangle City to the rescue!
I do wish that the gang could have had all this content, but I also suppose that out of all the factions to have content cut from I'm glad it was this one. Their small scope is excusable as a sort of a "tutorial" faction to introduce the player to faction systems and still got a fair bit of content via the ones who fled to the vault. That being said, they are a sorely missed faction for evil playthroughs but, hey, what else is new for NV haha.
Also nice shot at 2:42 lol
I agree. If any faction had to be cut significantly, I'm glad it was the Powder Ganger's. It definitely would've been nice more options for an evil playthrough though.
I was helping the Powder Ganger's initially, but then that guy ran into my bullet lol
If you're interested, there are two mods that aim to expand the faction more: "Simply Uncut" (applies a LOT of cut content in the game plus some bonus original content) and "Working on the Chain Gang" (a decent quest mod with great voice acting that fleshes out the faction more. It's not strictly for evil characters though.)
Don't know how I found this, but I'm glad I did. This is such a great video btw, brings back so many good memories of the game.
I'm so glad dude!
Imagine if new Vegas got remastered 😞
I had no idea the powder gangers had so much to them. I do wonder how many other of the secondary factions had cut content
All of them 😭
@@TriangleCity its a great lose I hope someone can do a mod to bring some of this stuff back
@@The_Alt_Vault Simply Uncut. It's glorious.
The fact that turrets weren’t in the prison but turrets and Death robots are in corporate businesses all across the US in Fallout is pretty telling.
Lmao 😂
This is cool. I always thought the Powder Ganger questline was a letdown. It would be awesome if there was a mod to restore these quests
Loved the Carrington Institute theme music there :)
Great video as always mate, shame to see all the great possibilities not been used for the powder gangers, keep it up Griffin!
Thank you my friend 🖤
For me it's worth it to take out the Powder Gangers just to see the look on Boxcars face when you walk through the door. lol.
You're not wrong 🤣
Would have awesome to have them assist you with blowing up the dam, brotherhood bunker, monorail, or even one step further having the kings assimilate them and teach about honour and Having there uniforms reflect prison elvis or them joining the Legion.
Honestly the one with The Kings is actually a pretty good idea. The Dam could be a post independent/Yesman ending kick to the dick to the NCR. I don't think they would last half an hour against the BOS, or in McCarren.
@@insomniagobrrr5542if fiends can put up a fight against mccarrin a surprise attack with explosive might give them an edage
I love this series and the perfect dark music is *chefs kiss*
Love your vids man, it's a shame how much content got cut if given a full delopment cycle of 3 years and at least the creation engine it could've been even greater than what it is now. I just hope the outer worlds can compare to the writing and attention that new vegas has.
I do too! I haven't been so excited for a game in years.
Damn that Perfect Dark music made me nostalgic
You can tell from the final game that the Powder Gangers were once an important faction in some original draft of the script. It was a bit of a shock the second time I played New Vegas and realized how quickly they became totally irrelevant in the game's narrative.
They were intended to be very important to Van Buren
Edit: autocorrect fix
I actually got that powder ganger truce thing once when my game was bugged
I never side with the powder gangers because you lose out on so much by doing so, and gain so little.
I'm glad to know they at least intended the split to be not so massive.
Just imagine FNV with all cut content restored and without bugs.
The missing quests also explain why it's impossible to get idolized with the Powder Gangers, even if you do every available quest in their favor, including bombing NCR and Legion in Lonesome Road. The only faction for which this is impossible.
Unless performing the goodsprings level glitch.
Seriously? And they were a main faction in Van Buren, which New Vegas drew heavily from
I have seen the guard dogs and Heard must of the voice-overs about being a friend/enemy.
Thank you for being one of the few people on the internet to use the word infer correctly
I definitely think the Powder Gangers were lackluster at best. Hate to see they could've been more.
Once I visited that traveling merchant NPC, on Goodsprings Sources there appeared NCR Ranger and he was just sitting and drinking water on the hill all the time. I played NV with all DLCs in 2019 last time when it happened
Excellent series...Thank you!
Perfect Dark music @ 7:11
One of my favorite games 🖤
@@TriangleCity Me too. Love the vids!
Maybe I'll make a video on Perfect Dark's cut content one day 🤔
7:00 Perfect Dark music. Much appreciated.
This has been said before and will probably be said on every video from this channel- We want a New Vegas remaster OR at least a re-release on modern systems with all the stuff which couldn't be added due to console limitations.
So I'm definitely late, however you in-game can have member of the Powder Gangers say the line at 4:00. You first need to have terrible reputation then change it to accepted or higher. (With a disguise), if you speak with a random member. That line should be said.
Damn, all these cut content tells me Obsidian still had so much to offer
I'm currently doing a playthrough where I wanted to join the powder gangers. I felt like something was missing. Thanks for the video :)
It still bothers me that you can speak to Cobb, find the prison, kill them and return to him before the goodsprings fight but you can't bring it up with him.
I know he took a group out with him beforehand so he didn't need to go back for reinforcements but still.
That's a really good point. I guess they didn't take into consideration that you might skip the Goodsprings questline for later. Given, that's would've been an unlikely sequence of events, but it still would've been cool to see.
Even fallout 4s raiders tend to do this better. If you take out a raider groups leader or second in command or enemy, another raider will mention it on their terminal.
Would've been interesting if they used scrambler a undercover frumentarii for the legion making the prison and legion camp and maybe even get extra manpower for them as well as a new base of operations deep into west, this all cycling back together to the second band in the vault creating with the khans and fiends a ring around mcCarran's flank
Maybe have Eddie have you look into Niptons slaughter seeing how some gangers were killed there by the legion
Thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Wow sounds like powder gangers would've been a Dark brotherhood style evil faction. I remember on one of my playthroughs allying with powder gangers and it gave me nothing and I always wondered why. The NCRCF feels so empty when it was supposed to be major action against the NCR. A lot like the situation with the Great Khans. OH well I think some modders have recreated some of these scenarios in the video already!
This is really great. I'm a big Powder Gangers fan so it's a shame we didn't get to do this
Triangle City to the rescure!
This game was half complete. :(
Actually it's technically a tenth of the way complete if you consider the stuff they planned that we know about and I mean the stuff that is not cut content because they had not even started working on it yet and yet is still has far more content and better content than Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 possibly even combined definitely better content than both of them combined.
@@hideakiakio6698 But you also must consider content that was cut due to console & engine limitations. Tho the content that cut simply due to lack of time is what stings the most. (For me at least.) Hopefully F4NV can rectify almost all these issues.
@@hideakiakio6698 Stan detected
One of this days, I have to do a playthrough when I side with them instead of Goodsprings. I just can't bear myself to betray Doc Michell and Trudy.
Dang the music in these are great.
When I originally played this game back in the day I originally just wanted to play as a powder ganger and steal and loot from people. I hope one day soon we'll make a mod where I'll be able to do that.
2:55 This cut makes the most sense since Powder Ganger Guards can already sniff out your disguise, you can somewhat still use it but it requires running and tons of luck. Plus not worth it since Eddie mission reward is small and after that you won't see em again(except that one legendary Powder Ganger but meh)
3:39 Emmm they already do???
One of my mods adds new guards and warden after you take the prison. Very cool
Thanks for making these videos
Thank you for watching 🖤
Ayyy i love that perfect dark OST. love your content even more now
Despite that I dislike the powder ganger I will admit I love their armor appearance. Its basically a civilian clothing with a large bulletproof vest.
I thought so too. It makes you look all official, almost like a cop.
@@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer that's what it is anyway
The film Predator 2 (starring Danny Glover) also featured a powder gang, of a sort.
That film is a guilty pleasure. "Your move pussyface" 😂
I think it would be interesting if you could convince Eddie to force Meyers to become sheriff of Primm so the Powder Gangers gain control over the town.
I wonder if there's an cut content with Joe Cobb running Goodsprings
3:45 this is on the PS3 version. I literally got this quote today with only two options of dialogue. I was vilified, wore joe cobbs armor to disguise, the gate keeper powder ganger could see through my disguise so he attacked me. I killed him in front of all powder gangers and they were fine with it. I looted the key and entered through the front door. A regular npc gave me this dialogue when I went go talk to him. He was closest to the front door. What was weird about this was I could walk through the whole prison and kill named power gangers with no consequences or hostility.
the true final faction was always Anarchist Praxis-Followers of the Apocalypse, Powder Gangers, wish we had more in game content to elevate these groups
10:21 - Is the NCR squad _supposed_ to kill the Powder Gangers? That never happens in my playthroughs. The NCR troopers usually kill the outdoor Powder Gangers without hassle, but once they get inside Eddie's HQ, they are quickly killed by Eddie's bodyguards. Eddie and Scrambler always survive the attack. I think Eddie even thanks you for sticking around to help.
In my game they were mowed down outside.
I can see why they ditched the face-wrap Powder Ganger armour.
Something about a man with a hard on for explosives and a wrapped up face in a desert just doesn’t sit settled with me 😂
Powder gangers, powder gangers bakers man, bake me a cake as fast as you can.
Now I want cake. Ty Ban, you owe me a cake
I love your videos. They make me sad though. I can only imagine what this game would've been like if given proper development time and a better engine. Despite them having only 18 months they still managed to create one of the best games of all time.
Great video man
Thanks dude!
Perfect dark music!
If only Obsidian could get the rights back from Bethesturd and remaster and complete the game as it was intended to be, that would be nice.
The Powder gan hood apears in the DLC happy Trails expedition
The music sounds like from Perfect Dark for the N64. Is it?
It is! Perfect Dark is one of my favorite games
love all the rare music
Or maybe Scrambler was a double agent. Wishful thinking on my part, but I can dream.
you deserve way more subscribers but ill help how i can so heres one more
that said new vegas sound like it had so much cut content that it would of almost been a different game
its sad how far fallout has fallen so thats why ive been learning about cut content and of course van buren.
Thank you so much dude! If it had had a longer development cycle or released on only PC, it would've have been entirely different and much better game(which is saying a lot since it's an incredible game as is)
TriangleCity in my opinion its not like new vegas was the best possible fallout game ever that could never be toped its good but compared to fallout 4 , 76 and even 3 somewhat it looks amazing
also thanks for the reply i always appreciate when content creators can comment back.
Oh I agree. FNV could've been a much better game and there are aspects that I think other Fallout games did better. The tone in Fallout 1 is more consistent, the overall world design in 3 is better, 4 has better combat, etc. With that said, it's still my favorite haha
Lmao there was so many missions regarding the prison, and i just killed every one there without knowing it
even at launch i felt like the powder gangers got alot of content cut there always felt like something was missing.
What a shame that Powder Ganger didn't have much story line
1:16 Doesn't Powder Gangers Bar guy has the head hood if you help Cob take over Goodsprings?
POWDER GANGERS RULE, YEEE!
I wish I knew how to code just to reintroduce the cut content back into the game
3:45 this is in the game one of the PG saies this after you come in to there base
I remember at one point, I think it was on xBox, that the Powder Gangers offered me peace. A truce. No attacking just as described in this video.
But it never happened to me on PC.
Did any of you ever experience that yourself?
Might this be included on xBox but not on the PC version?
Imagine Obsidian remastering New Vegas, putting all the cut content in it, maybe even expanding it and cutting profit to Bethesda... But nah, they wouldn't agree unless there was a shitton of money on the table. The Outer Worlds is fine, but it really didn't stand up to par with my expectations about "New Vegas 2"
No, me either. TOW was similar in so many ways, but it never reached the same heights or depth as FNV.
HAIL NEW VEGAS DEATH TO ANY THING ELSE HEIL
I fucking love Perfect Dark!
Anyone knows what was the song that played in the intro? The one that played before dream town.
Good video man
Thank you so much dude!
I sure hope F4:NV adds these cut stuff
Go help them
Weird question but does anyone know the name of the creepy introducing music in the video?
“EDDIE GOT SMOKED”
Please talk about the Fiends' cut content!
I will! They don't have a ton of cut content, but still enough to make a video on.
What mod are you using? combat look so good on your game
I swear I have gotten that warning about not hanging around powder gangers camps but I did install a lot of mods maybe one of those made it active
I could wrong about the line being cut, but regardless the actual guard packages aren't set up, so it doesn't work as the lines imply.
@@TriangleCity i know its been almost a year, but it *is* in the unmodded game. if you talk to the guy directly to your right as you walk into the first room of the prison (where you talk to the ex-sheriff for the primm quest, i think his name is meyers) he gives the line. hes standing directly next to the door. it isnt used by anyone at any of the actual powder ganger camps, though
Can't believe Bestieda never trust obsidian with fallout new vagues.
Obsidian was the reason the game was good
They did. Stop lying just to hate on Bethesda
Just another reason why New Vegas is the best Fallout game.
Is there any part of fnv that they were able to finish? I love the game to death but it pains me to see how much they weren’t able to implement
I wish Bethesda would allow Obsidian to remake NV or a whole game.
Wait the truces dialogue was cut!? I think on some playthroughs I have gotten it. Am I wrong?
Interesting stuff
I'm so sad powder gangers are that useless in final FNV.. Maybe some mod exists to have the cut content in game ? With some imagination it should be possible to finish the content, following the hints of the game files. Nice vid btw, thank you