Has the Honda Gold Wing met its match?
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A new Chinese Eight-cylinder Tourer takes aim at the Honda Gold Wing. It's bigger but is it better? Zack and Spurg discuss during the Not the News segment of Highside/Lowside.
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The Goldwing is super reliable. That’s the end of my comment.
You drove the other one to now if it is not? 🧐
@@FireFire-ow4co It has a big uphill battle to sway someone to buy a brand new bike with no data to support it/no dealer network vs buying a reliable already produced HONDA motorcycle!
@@FireFire-ow4co Drove? You know how I can tell you don’t ride.
@@pryme2013😂😂 as big as a goldwing is..... Yes.... Drive would be appropriate
That wasn't the end of your comment.
I'd go with the manufacturer with the least human rights violations.
And that doesn't support Russia
And that isn't blasting me with propaganda through every single media outlet, including this one.
@@churchofbrap876and many other countries saw well , Israel was recently found in conflict with human rights by UN, how far back Hutus Tutsi, Yugoslavia, red indians in us , apartheid in SA ….
@@mengaw-yong2490 I don't buy Israeli motorcycles either
Lol. The moment you said Chinese I knew which is better.
"Can the Chinese make a better Goldwing?"
I'm going out on a limb here with "No."
Honda is the poster child of motorcycle reliability and quality, and the Goldwing is their flagship. If you take a shot at the King, you best not miss.
Agreed. Clearly the Chinese motorcycles are making big changes with CFMoto leading the charge but Honda didn’t get its motorcycle reputation for nothing nor did it happen overnight.
I'll stay with Honda. I wouldn't trust the Chinese build quality or ergonomics. Honda have had decades of experience and research and development.
@@davidyoung9561For a matter of fact a Chinese knockoff of a Harley-Davidson has the same quality of a Honda.
@@Embargoman Please put the name of the bike here:
@@overboost7667 V-Rod, well that is the possibility that Harley-Davidson will release the V-Rod back in 2025 and yet CF Moto will do what Volkswagen to to a Czech called to bring out The Beetle.
“Over the air updates” So it can upload your data then, for your convenience, display ads you’re sure to be interested in right to the 12” display.
And shut down your bike when big brother isn't pleased anymore.
Not a starter.
China? NEVER
Over the air updates, no way
Then make sure to get rid of your cell phones and tv's.
"Japan? NEVER! They're just bad quality copycats of European bikes!" - karlpriggee1033, mid-1960s.
@@OrdinaryLatvianexactly! Same old, same old story..
@@OrdinaryLatvianwhile there is some truth to your comment, Japanese design and manufacturing didn’t get its start by reverse engineering and cloning western technology while blatantly disregarding existing copyrights and patent law. That’s a big mark against the reputation of Chinese manufacturing that a lot of western buyers will remember for a long time.
So maybe in a few decades?
Well, when one of these is still running, bone stock, at 44 years old like my GoldWing? Then I'll believe it.
Riding on the road takes ZERO skill. Don't be so smug.
@@clvrswinebut skills don’t say anything about reliability on the motorcycle
@@clvrswinedid you misread the comment??😂😂😂 your response doesn’t even make sense.
Bigger isn't always better sometimes bigger is just heavier
In NZ the Great Wall Cars have been year for more than a decade and yes they are poorly made and they are much cheaper than proper brands like Toyota, they are nowhere near as reliable our well built.
Why any American would hype a Chinese anything is mindboggling
It's the same in England. What is all this crap trying to get us to buy Chinese motorcycles.
Couldn’t agree more.
Watching this on an iPad , TV or telephone?
While all of you were sleeping about political matters, China basically took over 7/8 of the planet. You might want to think seriously about what this means to life and limb.
@@pauls8456yes we’re stupid idiots.
I’d prefer a baby goldwing at around 800-1000cc.
I echo that. You often see older riders selling their GW's because they are too heavy for an elderly person. A lightweight GW is a good idea, but keep the DCT, reverse, touring, shaft drive - but lighter (500 lbs?)
Honda kinda tried that about 10 years ago with the CTX700 AND CTX1300, but they didn't sell well.
My only interest in a Goldwing is maybe getting one of the 1000s from the 1970s.
A Silverwing would be awesome
@@allrad4911 I've got a CX500. Close. Silverwing just moved to monoshock and some cosmetic stuff. And later bumped to 650. I really like the bike, it's weird and interesting.
Residual value and reliability? I’ll have the Goldwing thanks.
Chinese crap over the reliability of a Honda 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Nope
How many years until this is available on Amazon? Overnight delivery between 4am and 8am?
If its cheap enough id order one
I saw it on TEMU
No match to a gold wing reliability and that China made is the losser
Go ahead ... buy some chinese piece of junk ... good luck !
Japanese reliability or Chinese reliability. I'll stick with Honda.
Immediately lost me at China.
When it goes on the fritz 12 years from now, will it be worth repairing? Just to be clear, this is a serious question.
12 years? This won't be running 1.2 years from now.
12 years from now? Bet you'd have problems after 12 days...
Nope. I try to avoid anything made in China. Would not want a motorcycle made there.
I bought a new CFMOTO CL-X 700 and it's a world class bike! I don't know about this one but we used to think the same thing about Japan! This Gold Wing copy is too big.😂
But will it run 300 000 km without any work on the motor other oil and spark plug chances and a news clutch after 150 000 km?
Why would I buy a Gold Wing ripoff rather than the real thing....very complimentary to Honda.
If you're old enough, you remember when people made degrading comments about Japanese imports and Korean imports. And now we get all of our stuff from Japan and Korea. Us makes very little of anything. It'll be interesting to see if China steps forward the way all the other Asian countries have and makes higher quality than what can be made in the United States
If I found an original Gold Wing overgrown and rusting in a field but the engine still turned over freely I'd have more trust in it than in this Chinese locomotive.
Our only experience here in the UK was a Great Wall truck - it totally bombed because of a variety of reasons!
Yeah they were not well received here in Australia either. They did some rebranding and became GWM to avoid the negative publicity
If GW came out with yet another parallel twin 500-600-800cc bike, no one would really notice, but if you first release something totally outlandish like this first, your name is in the motorcycle news world wide, then come out with the more generic bikes as a “follow up”. Just clever marketing if you ask me 😉.
And my opinion, nothing and I mean nothing will ever be better than a Honda Goldwing
Just say no to Chinese crap.
CFMoto is making really good bikes.
Then you should probably get rid of the phone/PC/tablet you tweeted this from
I never ride my phone at 70 mph.
Just say yes to National ethics, true diversity (not mixing everything together), borders, law and order, and keeping the money we earn.
@@matthew3136 that's a valid point, no doubt about it.
But if all chinese products were crap don't you think Samsung or Apple would be manufacturing their flagship products on other country than China.
Even BMW uses chinese made motors on its flagship 1200/1250/1300 GS
Motorcycles have got ridiculously big since when did 900cc become a middle weight
I wouldn't worry about this motorcycle be a threat to the goldwing in the US market. Our government would put 100% tariffs on it to make it impossible to compete
They use to do that on the Japanese back then to protect Harley-Davidson.
Had a chance to ride a '76 GL1000 for a summer; it was stripped to original, plus only a small windscreen and a passenger backrest. That bike was an absolute joy: smooth, powerful, comfortable yet still a blast on twisty mountain roads. I'd still prefer an R100 as a "one bike to rule them all", but the Wing was pretty sweet.
You mean K75 😊
4 cylinder
My first thought is that welp I bet the air filter change is super easy 😂
My valkyrie isn't too bad to change the air filter. However to take the air box on or off is a chore. And six carbs are not for the faint of heart
Super easy barely inconvenient!
China is at quite an interesting place right now when it comes to motorcycles. On the one hand the motorcycle industry is really booming with all kinds of bikes, all kinds of displacement getting released seemingly every second with really competitive prices and some with properly decent quality and features. On the other hand, motorcyclists in China just don't have the same kind of right of way as 4 wheeled users, with a lot of cities imposing motorcycle bans or limits the usage of large displacement motorcycles (above 300cc), and prohibiting motorcyclist using the motorways and expressways. Car drivers in China in general also have less respect towards motorcycle users, thinking that they belong to the bike lane.
Reliability is ultimately what it comes down to.
I'm a Harley rider but , Chinese or Gold Wing ? Gold Wing for sure
I had a friend whose Goldwing went over 250,000 miles before having to open the engine case
I owned a first gen GL1800. (2001) and put 140K miles on it over 15 years. It never even hiccupped. I traded for a 2016 R1200RT to lose almost 300 pounds and after 7 years downsized again to an F750GS. As an older rider (yeah, 50+ years on two wheels), the very last thing I need to tour is a Winnebago on wheels.
We’d all be better off buying less chicom stuff.
Yes. It’s my Old Ford cabriolet. About the same weight, but keeps you cool or warm, dry, really comfy and has plenty of luggage space. Oh, and I don’t have to wear a crash helmet. Negatives, it’s no good for lane splitting like the GL…😅
Lol is this clickbait title for real? Chinese Goldwing killer?!? Wtf.
The Honda Goldwing has something the Greatwall has to earn over time. The Goldwing has the reputation of reliability. That’s especially important for a touring bike. No way would I put money on the Greatwall.
Let me know where you can get one serviced.
How the heck are they going to pull GW riders to switch? After GW’s roots are so deep in the ground in the US and Europe. They will need to do something so special to have people blink their way. Also, this thing is massive 1000 lbs. my DCT Wing is 850. Wow….!!!!!
That flat 8 has the potential to sound pretty spicy with an exhaust.
*Slow intake of breath through the nose, point one finger into the air*
*_Trump voice:_* China.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't that bike resembles the Yamaha Star Voyager?
Damn that's what I thought....
That must be a Chinese star..
Would love to hear a breakdown on all the stolen IP that went into producing these motorcycles
The GL is the greatest bike ever made. Nothing compares. Take off all of the plastics and that GL Naked is dirty.
And that describes my 1998 Valkyrie F6C
Has the Gold Wing met its match? Only if there is enough dealership support!
Motorcycle Sales are down worldwide. Cruisers are a luxury. Here in the United States Harley Davidson is number one, and currently Sales are flat. Indian sold only 30k total motorcycles for 2023. The motorcycle above will have a limited audience. Harley and Indian dominate with the dealerships and the aftermarket. The rest of the world is dominated by Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki etc. Good Luck😊
Proving that I am an old man at this point. I heard the first two minutes of this and thought to myself "Yes all those things i do not need" Interesting to see other manufacturers pick up motorcycles though.
Personally I think HD should be worried. I'm tired of paying 35k+ for a motorcycle frame. Everything else is simply crap.
Ngl that bike will certainly feel like a great wall once it breaks down 💀
I'm not sure if I'm just imagining this, but I think the owner of GM said he had this bike made just because he loves motorcycles and wanted to make a big one. And that is all the reason I need.
We need sensible bikes. But we also need to dream once in a while and enjoy the absurd.
"Chinese product" and "quality and reliability" are not words that usually go together in a sentence. Being in a country where chinese cars are sold, the are known for poor quality build, and poor reliability. Sales for this bike would be very low based on its origin.
No way I'd trade in even my 2004 Gold Wing for that.
8 speed transmission…. So, 7 forward speeds and a reverse, cause damn!
Dealer network,? I'll stick with my 22 Wing DCT.
Having owned Goldwings and touring Harleys and Indians I have concerns. If you have a problem with current Goldwings some dealerships are making you wait weeks until the Goldwing mechanic comes to the shop. Now with Chinese bikes,who is going to service them? I imagine if these bikes are introduced you will see a huge aftermarket of upgrades to get these bikes up to spec. Manufacturers in China will save money anyway they can, putting my rear end on a Chinese bike for a cross country cruise would be a hard sell.
It has so much of a Goldwing vibe in the design, both asthetically and technically (such as the DCT and a-arm type front suspension), it makes me think that Honda are actually involved in some commerical capacity in much the same way KTM and Kawasaki are involved with CFmoto.
Here in Bolivia we have a brand from Japan called Extremo.... They are inexpresive and awesome quality. We bought a small 200 with storage at the back. We plan to up it and buy a 400 6 speed that looks similar to a Harley softail. Ive had the 200 for 14 months, we can ride all year hear.... Its great quality
I do know one thing. I don’t regret buying my 2021, BUT I wish I had not sold my 2014 because if I had kept it. The 2021 might have gone up for sale by now. I miss that extra weight.
You got to be kidding..there is no advantage at all for a touring machine to weigh more...the weight loss with the 2018 plus Gold Wing was a hugh upgrade over the old model... I could never go back to the old model after experiencing my 2018 Gold Wing... I'm hoping Honda will refine the Gold Wing even more and lose more weight...the Gold Wing should be as least as light as the BMW K1600.
I've ridden goldwings for years they are very reliable and service and parts are readily available. Will this bike be reliable what about service and parts. I don't like the idea of the extra weight. I personally wouldn't buy one, not interested at all. Also why isn't anyone testing one? Let's see someone ride one on a long trip.
If its price is much cheaper I'd definitely buy it. As for people saying the goldwings is getting bigger that's bs. The new goldwings suck by my opinion they got smaller and more like a crotch rocket. I'm 6 ft 300 lbs and I ride a Yamaha venture vecause it's one if not the largest bike made currently. Not everyone wants a lightweight turd box. I'm willing to bet it will be a good bike I bought hyosung and though not highest quality they are reliable and quick for their size and easy to work in. I will always buy the larger bikes, cc matters vut like Harley they make bikes that are to short, and small and for larger guys like me they are uncomfortable so if this bike is reasonably priced and has the power to match id definitely give it a go. I'm excited to see it come to the market as many people will buy it regardless of what others say. People were like that decades ago over the Japanese market as well now folks prefer the Japanese market to American market based on quality price and power. Don't knock it till you tried it.
I love my wing but I would try one of these but then I was a marine. At 68 I still look for the edge. I appreciate your comments and letting me know this thing exists, but ride the Damon thing cause your opinion without actually riding it would be like me telling someone how to fly the space shuttle. Have you ridden some of the big wings? Opinion with no experience is just shit
Hmmm... why not, the 2018+ isn't what I see as a Goldwing. Honda could make the flat6 2l and open it up a bit and bring is back to the size of the pre 2018 model with all the new tech.
It is a made-up name. Where do you think names come from?
I have a 1984 goldwing, it runs like the wind, I doubt this chinese bike will live longer, honda rules.
My Goldwing was the most reliable bike I've ever owned, 15 years...sold it and it's still on the road. Honda GW can not be toppled, no matter what Country tries to do it...
Had expected to see the bike on video. Not to talking heads that never shut up😢
Did they tune the intake to go “choo choo”?
Can’t say that I am not intrigued. But, if it rides like it sounds it does, it’s not rideable for most people. Goldwings are quite easy to ride for most riders. So not really any competition. The Goldwing got smaller because of amazing technology and intelligent designs.
GWM have been in Aus for years and have actually got a bit of a good rep lately. Wouldn’t buy a gen 1 bike from them but a few years down the line I reckon they’ll be an option like CFMoto
I had a 2013 Goldwing and the main reason I got rid of it was the insane weight. I never dropped it but everyone else who rode it did. There are probably many owners that haven't had issues with the weight but it's always there, ready to bite you in the ass.
I started looking at the new Goldwing now it's lighter, so for me a heavier Chinesium Goldbling is a definite no.
I have a Chinese bike btw, so I'm not anti Chinese bike.
I'm open minded. Test ride for me and competition is good all around I always say.
I have a gold wing D6S which is perfect. Riding a Goldwing is like your standing still and everything is moving
Have you rode the BMW R18 Transcontinental? 950lbs without loaded bags? I'm thinking the chines bike won't outweigh the BMW if so not by much.
I just want Japan to make an inline-5 in an affordable quarter-fairing standard sport bike for the street, with minimal tech and minimal expense. Sort of a Z900 with another cylinder and bigger fitting frame. Or a new 5-cylinder Bandit.
This 8-cylinder behemoth is a new means of securing a super-yacht in active waters. It'll grab on to a hunk of coral securely.
Lots of state of the market questions posed by this bike.... essentially, who is it for?
The aging biker population are stepping off ultra classics onto street glides and other baggers. Here in the UK, BSA and RE are pulling folks off their GSs for lighter bikes. So a bigger wing? Seems like a misstep. In many ways I'm surprised not to see a 1000cc mini-wing, or perhaps even Honda seeing a place for a redone ST11/1300 to sit alongside the NT.
But for non-western markets the market growth is away from basic 250cc transport towards a leisure based segment? Great Wall are probably looking to this as an aspiration model like Kia are doing with the Stinger
if they’re importing it to mexico, picking one up and riding home could be a fun video
Seeing people commenting that its Chinese or reliable issue had me concerned. You are correct, for now. But look at how far some Chinese company has come, Insta360, DJI, even CFMOTO
No
Here's the rub, Great Wall is a car/truck manufacturer with a lackluster reputation for reliability... even in China. By just jumping into making motorcycles spontaneously, I don't see this reputation getting better.
CFMoto is currently the most reliable, best made Chinese bike on the market. They are making international headway by beating the Japanese bikes in price and getting "close enough" on quality.
I’ll stick to Chinese for food and cheap inconsequential consumables for now.
Interesting enough, but it looks like there's no Original nor Forward thought here. Looks like they stole ideas from several other motorcycle manufacturers and still came up short. I can ride my Goldwing for several hours and still reach under it to put the cover on and the pipe covers are only warm to the touch, but the exposed exhaust pipes on this thing would not only fry my arms and cover, but the airflow down there would super-heat my boots while riding. Thats not the only flaw either... Just take a good look at the pictures of it. Soooo many flaws in these stolen ideas that had already been addressed by the original designers. So many cracks in the Great Wall process. Still... It's funny that they think they can compete with Honda. It just shows who the Real King of the Tour World is.
If they are putting it into production they must feel like it is ridable.
Being the Chinese it may be a copy of something that is proven to be reliable like they did with the dirt bikes.
Everyone is trying to tear them up, even putting them under water and still they crank up and run. Well them motors are exactly the motors that were on earlier KTM's and had a reputation of being very reliable.
Maybe they did like the chainsaws and copy to the exacting spec's of a Stile chainsaw and they run and last like a stile.
So maybe they stole and copied from the Gold wing to the point that the technology they are using is a proven technology by design already.
This is the Chinese and intellectual property does not mean anything to them and they will reverse engineer in a heartbeat.
As far as big being manageable Boss Hog has proven it to be achievable and handle like a typical motorcycle (somewhat)for a more experienced rider.
So not saying it's right but with there track record of copying with ill regards to any patents or license needed to do so makes me think if it didn't work they wouldn't be producing it.
Mexico is not as picky about that kind of thing as the U.S. is and also they probably are trying to figure out how to get around tariffs and taxes the U.S. may have on China at this time.
There is no competition to the Gold Wing, really. I will tell you why. One simple reason- NO DEALER SUPPORT.
I certainly do not need a motorcycle even bigger and heavier than a Gold Wing, but I am very excited that someone is building and selling it. Americans will not like to read that but China is becoming the technological leader the U.S. used to be in the 50s.
Not many people are looking for a bigger Goldwing....unless; its a really nice motorcycle and comes in at a Chinese price.
Aren't the North American motor vehicle markets harmonized? Is Mexico cheating on emissions or noise standards? Maybe they couldn't find dealers to hold them in fear of losing Honda.
I bet this is just something mage to get headlines and attention. Not something to be seriously considered if you're interested in a Goldwing.
As the owner of a 79 goldwing from new still going…..beautifully…..enough said!
Does it come with a sticker on it that says "Made in China"?
While the S2000 is entertaining and enticing my GL1500 is plenty, but would love an 06 1800
This bike will be over 1000lbs. The only thing it will be killing is your bank account from all the tires you will be buying.
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An interview about nothing, you guys should be on Seinfeld
I don't want my bike updating and giving me a blue screen of death
theres like heaps of great wall utes in australia, still wouldnt buy a chinese vehicle, but they are soo cheap you can just buy another one if they break down.
It looks like they ripped off the design off of Yamaha’s Star Venture.
Made to uncompromising quality-first Japanese standards, or cost-first Chinese standards.
Take your pick, pay the price, and love it or regret it in perpetuity.
Had bmw k1600 and Goldwings I feel like this bike will only compete with those bikes and a few other metric bikes it will not bring people over from HD or Indian.....hard to compete with Goldwing reliability
Goldwing has nothing to fear from motorcycle shaped Chinese garbage.
That's what used to be said about Japanese car's when they started coming here..... Now look at them..... Find me 1 "domestic" car brand ranked higher in reliability than a Japanese car..... You can't
Would we have driven around in Japanese cars 80 years ago?