If you want more details on the RAM I tested with, it's the same kit I used 2 years ago in this video with the 6800M: th-cam.com/video/8XCeAdFqsKg/w-d-xo.html so 1Rx8 in dual channel - an upgrade over the stock x16 stuff, as I think this should be done for optimal 6800M performance. 4:03 The Witcher 3 graphs saying RT was disabled on the graph is wrong, a copy paste fail from other graphs. It was definitely tested with the RT preset.
I have watched the entire video, the previous one as well, and others, in this one you did mention that u used the same RAM upgrade kit and an external monitor, how come from an laptop that was neck in neck with 3080 165W, now can't even get higher values than 3070?
I see people missing out on the screen as well, I don't see any gaming laptop in this budget having such a great screen with 100% DCI-P3. I understand that 3070Ti and a 4070 would be better for some workflows but those would be quite expensive and you may need an external monitor as well still.
I bought this laptop after watching your review before a month. I wanted to go for 4060, but the price difference in my country was 300$. So, I went for 6800m. Love it. Thank you for reviewing it again.
it's great to see you re-reviewing old laptops as there's not a lot of videos on them and drivers could've improved over time not to mention the 5980HX 6850M refresh has been below $1000 at BEST BUY on their all tie low.... probably the best bang for the buck of the last 5 years
@@jesusbarrera6916 1. in Vietnam 2. I know you need a laptop but this is not a clever choice. you should buy a ultrabook, as light as it can be, then you will thank me. I recommend a LG gram 2022
Been loving my G15 Advantage had it over a year with no issues. Glad it has the 12gb if VRAM if it only had 8 i couldn't have played quite a few games now.
@@XxViciousxXhi vicious i watched all of your vids before getting it yesterday, i have stuttering issue when i playon 1440p res in any game, it gets better when i throttle it,is this normal? Is upgrading ram to 32gb gonna solve my problem?
@@Savageir Certain games can stutter if you only have 16 GB of RAM but most should be smooth. Mine is pretty much always at 96-97c and I don't get stutter (well besides in badly optimized games) but that's not the laptop's fault.
The only problem with this laptop is that it's not available in my country. Which is a shame considering how great it is. I'll try scouring the outside market to find this if it's available. It's a great and underrated laptop atm.
I find it weird that quite a few laptop variants of desktop cards are usually one tier lower in specifications. Like a 4070 desktop is closer to a 4060 laptop that's overclocked. Edited because people got confused by 2 letters...
The 4060,4070 and 4050 laptop GPU's don't see any performance improvement above 90 watts ... And at 90 watts 4070 is only about 25% better than the 4050 at 90 watts
Unfortunately, I have a Legion 7 2022 that also happens to be an AMD Advantage laptop, and I've had serious issues with it on Linux; Tails would get stuck on a white screen, as would playing games full screen. Never happened on my Nvidia RTX 3050 Ti laptop or my 4090 desktop (granted, I couldn't use Wayland on my desktop until recently but still), and not being able to fullscreen games is a pretty huge problem for a "gaming" laptop.
@@cameronbosch1213 Sounds like some other issue since with the same cpu/gpu the g15 advantage edition does not have this issue. What distro are you using? Something else has to be off since linux support on the g15 has been 100% since it came out.
@@PineyJustice I've tried using Tails (white screens upon boot, but the windows are still there, but I can't see them, likely an issue with GDM) and any KDE Plasma distro (I'm using Arch, BTW 😂) has the same problem when changing certain widgets, theme, or screen edge settings, which is happening on Wayland (which you know, AMD should be fine with). Even a reinstall did not fix the issue, and I havne't tried XOrg for obvious reasons, like the fact AMD *should work on* Wayland!
@@PineyJustice And even the speakers work in the UEFI and so do performance modes (the latter because I think firmware, not Vantage, manages those performance mode settings). I've never had this exact problem with any other computer, and even a full motherboard replacement (for another unrelated issue) did not cause the issue to go away.
@@cameronbosch1213 Strange, I'm using manjaro on mine and have had zero issues since day 1, you mentioned you have the legion, I have the g15, does the legion have a mux? That could be where your problem is.
I bought the 165hz 1440p variant of this laptop last year with a USB-C dock hub and have since sold my desktop. This laptop has converted me to a full-time laptop user.
Its a great laptop for the money. I noticed his benchmarks seem a bit lower than what I experience but I swapped out my ram for 32Gb of lower timing stuff. Also - running G-Helper instead of Armory Crate frees up system performance because you can uninstall ASUS bloatware services.
I would strongly recommend NOT to buy a 4k laptop for gaming, since laptops mid-tier laptops aren't there yet. You have to buy a 4080 or 4090 laptop for enough 4k performance and even then upscaling is a must in many cases...
It's an interesting unit for sure. I picked up two of these last year for 750-800$ each. There's a couple of things that hold back the potential of the laptop. If one's willing to hunt for deals that are below the 750$ mark nowadays and is willing to get into tinkering this machine, it can be quite a decent grab.
@@boristhebear9511 Certainly! If you need a point to start, I'd recommend looking into Skii's G15 Advantage Edition Tuning video. There's also XxViciousxX that goes quite in depth with their own unit in various games and subjects related to the laptop.
about vram vs raw GPU power: Textures on high quality requires a lot of vRAM. A game with ultra textures with eveything else set to medium would look MUCH better than textures set to medium but everything else to ultra. Texture quality is the most important setting for a game to look good. To sacrifice vram amount for raw performance means to lose the most important graphics quality of all.
Ah, it doesn't have a MUX switch. I was wondering why my 6850M XT, which is only slightly faster in spec, was putting up noticeably better numbers. I disabled the iGPU in my 6900HX and saw a noticeable bump in performance.
Yeah one of the downsides of this model, but it is also generally cheaper (when on sale), so I guess I get it.. But yeah anyway to be fair, we tested with an external screen connected to Type-C, so iGPU was bypassed in this testing.
@@skz7936 usually disabling the igpu may cause issues as it is like what bridges out the frames to your laptop display. To bypass you'll need to play via a external display as especially the HDMI out of laptops are connected directly to the dGPU.
Have this laptop for an year now, got it for $1100 which is extremely good. I'm not than satisfied with the power of this machine. I play games daily in this @ 2k. Lovely machine❤️
Using a smaller screen I don’t really see playing at 4K worth it for any performance hit. So at 1440p a lot of these games seem to be handling well with just 8vram on a 4070 laptop
I don't know why these people keep saying cheap. Only cheap in comparison not cheap at all. You have to look up the definition cheap. Budget gaming laptop is what people are looking for. That's cheap which can be from $300-500 bagging price.
You're going to find it pretty difficult to find a gaming laptop in that price range, especially from within the last year or two. At least without having to buy second hand. The cheapest option we have our deals site right now is $500
One trick I learned from 2-year ownership: your CPU can hit 95-96C playing high demand games (Red Dead Redemption for example), and 70s idle. I went to Windows battery options, and turned off boost for the Performance profile. You still retain great performance but temps are around 10C lower!! Leaving the Turbo profile for when you want max performance (and heat 😅)
Hello sir , i got it yesterday exact specs as video, i have stuttering when i play any game on 1440p res, any idea about this problem?cuz im returning it for a new piece soon
@@Savageir by stuttering, did you mean low fps or fps dips? Is your laptop running on AC power? Which performance profile in Amory Crate? Using the discrete graphics card? It's difficult to determine the issue without knowing how you've configured it
I didn't understand such a huge difference between this 6800m and legion 7 6850m. RDR2 63fps and 109fps, CP2077 43fps and 60fps. it's even slower than legion 7 6700m
Got a Legion 7 2021 model with 3080 16G VRAM and 5900hx after watching the 4060/4070 review, with less than 1500$ in my country, pretty happy with it, especially when you want to run some cool AI model locally, 16G VRAM is very useful.
I might be able to get a 11800H + 3070. The data in this graph is kind of new for a big video I am working on (months away) comparing all modern laptop and desktops.
@@JarrodsTech Can you do a comparison of how nvidia keeps making laptop and desktop parts further and further away since pascal in terms of performance?
From what I remember, the old review showed that the 6800M was able to come really close to the RTX 3080 but now it seems to be at like 3070 levels overall which is kinda weird
Because the rtx 3080 was barely 10% to 15% faster than the 3070m, and is now matched by the rtx 3070ti. And remember, the rx6800m was slower than the rtx 3080 so from the start it was always matched by a full wattage 3070m
@@JarrodsTech which is absolutely not true. You're just using a different set of games with different and more Nvidia-favorable settings. It's especially funny to see how you're comparing DLSS performance on Nvidia with no upscaling on Amd.
@@JarrodsTech If it's the same unit you used for original review, are you sure it was not throttling? Out of curiousity I benchmarked mine today in Cyberpunk 2077 1440p/Ultra/No FSR and got 50.88 FPS, which is on par with RTX 4070 according to results presented in the video.
I’ve used this one for almost a year and it’s got to be my favorite machine I’ve ever used. It’s a beast, keeps up with everything I throw at it and more, mainly at 1440p. Couldn’t be happier.
I was actually gonna settle with this laptop but ultimately decided to go with building a desktop 3060 due to my limited budget and my softwares' way of functioning with certain gpus but its worth it 👍
Can i ask an important question if i bought a laptop with no windows preinstalled and installed it in any store that installs it with a license will this affect gaming experience????
Gotta say I have this laptop after upgrading the ram and the wifi card, throwing an extra ssd in it, hooking it up to an external screen. I love it. Don't need the external screen because you can run all the new games at 1440p high setting. If you willing too upgrade the ram and wifi card I highly recommend this laptop. Can't beat that 12gbs of vram unless you want to get that 3080ti with the 16gbs.
I have this laptop, got it in 2021, I've put 64GB of RAM on it, it's a great beast, I run Linux on it and do heavy virtualization, the laptop can handle anything.
I got an XG Mobile 6850M XT with my Ally. What a killer combo. Both for only $1,300! I'm waiting until next year to pick up a 4K gamjng labtop. I don't think the 4090M is there just yet. I'm also building a $3.5K-$4K 4090 rig at this time as well.
Super useful analysis Jared, thanks so much for your insightful work. You've really dispelled the myth of VRAM here - at least as far as it relates to laptop GPUs.
@@lostskull7467 well I just gave up on it its ok xDD oh lord that laptop is Broken AF, wanted to buy it cause its "FUTURE PROOF" 12GB Vram, on paper Its a great laptop but it seems like It wont last long, just checked reddit and everyones strix G15 advantage has a problem after 1 or 2 years, black screen, faulty motherboard, faulty sound, battery goes 100 to 0 in an hour! yada yada, Let's say It's been a long time since I've been this disappointed in life :(
I bought this laptop used off Ebay for £650 (with 1440p 165 Hz display) and have had no issues with it in the last few months. I use it full time as my main PC, which has replaced my old 9700K/3060Ti desktop. You can't beat the cost to performance ratio. It's better than a desktop for the same money and you get a high quality screen.
FYI to anyone interested, you can get a hefty performance boost if you uninstall Armoury Crate. In Borderlands 3, at Ultra, mine went from 74 fps to 107 fps.
am I the only one who feels like gamers get caught up in the consumeristic mindset of always needing to play the latest AAA games on ultra settings or feeling like they're "missing out"? buying a high quality laptop that's a few years older, can play 60-100 FPS on most games, but may have to suffer the cruelty of playing on medium settings should be ok for most people...and can save you a ton of money. I think I'd be happy with this laptop cus of the price point and the fact that it's going to suit my needs. Most of my games don't need a top end GPU anyway.
TO me the extra 20ish percent performance boost of the 6850M XT is enough to take advantage of the 12GB of VRAM while the 6800m is definitely on the edge similar to a desktop 3060. the 6850M XT might be what a 3070 with 12GB of VRAM could have been.
I thought the 6850m XT was just a small boost in clocks. Never saw 20% increase and if so maybe the testing wasn't with a G15 AE 6800m XT connected to the USBC and with x8 RAM.
@@steveco1800 clocks are about 16 percent faster. seen the performance boost range from 30 to 10 percent. i don't think any low powered 6850m xt exist so its possible that does skew results.
@@kickskii I just bought it for my sister and she's coming from a PS5. So it's been a huge upgrade for her. 60FPS at 4k in the Witcher is pretty decent for a mid range priced laptop
My desktop ran every game at slightly above 1080p with my i7 8700k W/ rtx. 2070 non super but the last of us showed me it’s slacking with 8gb of VRAM. I bit the bullet and bought the 2023 Razer Blade 16 with rtx 4090 170w with 4k screen. This thing is amazing! Better than my desktop for sure but battery life kinda sucks but now I can bring it with me for work and not bring my tower everywhere
Hogwards legacy ultra 1440p uses 10gb and forza 5 on extreme setting. Worth it for sure less frame drops. Im very glad owning legion 7 6850m xt. I used to have 3070
I played Plague tale requim and many other demanding games like god of war, jedi fallen order, Red dead redemption 2, cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero dawn, Metro Exodus, tomb raider seires, Both the new spiderman games and many more with 2gb of vram 😂 Nvidia MX350 with i5 11th gen 8 gb ram with meduim to low settings in 1080p resolution
This laptop really shines from best buy when on sale, you then look for open box excellent. I got mine for $750. Then upgraded to the 32gb Kingston Fury Impact KF432S20IBK2/32 and a 1tb and 2tb nvme gen 3. For under $1000 you have 6700xt desktop performance and 2k 165Hz display. For under $1000 this laptop will serve you very well considering the current gen prices.
Hi, i upgrade mine with same ram kit but my laptop now starting in bios mode every time. I need to manually exit bios every time i start it, then everything works fine. Did you had something similar?
6700xt is like 3070 6800xt is like 3080 4k/3090 1080p depending on the resolution amd performance scale worse at 4k currently. I got a desktop 6800xt and my strix ae 6800m is not that much slower.
@youssefadlan I'm not doing deep dive benchmarking like Jarrod but I'm using 3d benchmark and comparing the results from runs I made the last three years including many zen2 and zen3 desktops with 6700xt/6800xt/6900xt and 3080/3090/4090 GPUs. With that basic comparison this mobile part aligns with the 6700xt. The biggest issue I have with all these mobile parts is the blatant deception used with naming conventions. IMO this should just have been called the 6700xt.
@@user-sd4rn2xz9z sorry I checked and my kit was the Kingston Fury Impact KF432S20IBK2/32 but no I've had no boot issues. Have you flashed to the most recent bios?
meanwhile, my potato laptop with a nvidia ge540m just do just fine playing ps1 gba emulators. I would love to try those monster gpu but im too poor to do that lol
Good laptops are hard to find in my country, especially on the south side and even the older laptop that's not comparable to the latest are so overpriced, i wanted to ask them if they are dropped as a child.
Bought one of these with the 1080p 300hz screen back when they first went on sale for $1100 and upgraded to 32gb of 3600mhz ram. I mostly do CAD work in my spare time and my gaming is usually VR (12gb vram
Probably one of the best VR laptops Price/Perf out there. Never thought at first that I'd need the 12GB of VRAM out of an unit, but going from a Dell G15 with a 5800H|3060 to this thing's been something I haven't regretted. I wouldn't necessarily buy the G15 AE brand new now, but I can absolutely recommend the Alienware AE with how cheap that thing's been going for pure Price/Perf.
Man, love my Asus G14 RTX 3060, but it's feeling the VRAM squeeze. I'm Golden with my XFX 7900 XTX @3Ghz and 24GB VRAM at 1.1Tbs+ on PC, but it's tuff on laptops 💯
Im thinking to do the same the nvidia carda just arnt that appealing for their price vs performance rn. Or maybe wait till the end of next year when the new 50 series come out
@poochihead Ah, okay, I see. They announced a few at the beginning of the year, and the remaining ones at the end of the year. I'll follow this. Thanks.
All this video says is the 3070ti is a fantastic laptop gpu. I was lucky I got one 150W version for 1350 dollars in India, where everything is overpriced
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 Im talking about the Omen 16 with 3070ti and R7 6800H. Nil problems till now and decent cooling. Keyboard deck is metal so durable construction
Someone just sold me a G17 Advantage Edition that was lightly-used, was a bit impressed, so watched the G15 AE review and was quite happy. But then I saw this video, hahaha, having mixed feelings. Very informative video, seems like 2yrs have gone by very quickly, even for tech.
I feel like 1080p max settings is still doable on my RTX 3060 laptop most of the time and it's fine. My 7900 XTX can do 4k@60fps+ max all day, but it's using just under 450w at 3Ghz; which isn't possible in small factor. At the end of the day I wish we could get the extra value AMD's offering for desktop PCs on laptops, but that just isn't the case. For now, my 3060 is fine and takes care of my mobile gaming needs just fine. That always changes though. So, I really appreciate your content. It's some of the most useful information available anywhere, very thorough and as unbiased as possible. Thanks for all the late nights and hard work. You are appreciated!
We have 200w GPU's in laptops during turing with 330w bricks. They came in 4kg 17' laptops. Then lenovo crammed a 180w 3080ti into a 2.6kg 16' laptop with a 300w brick. With a 330w brick I'm sure it can do 200w on the GPU. The 4090 doesn't lose much performance at 250w vs 350w to 400w. So realistically you can put a 230w to 250w rtx 4090 into a thicker 18' laptop and maybe use a 220w to 230w rtx 4090 in a 17' laptop and still retain most of the desktop 4090's performance. MUCH faster than the current ''4090''m.
8 gigs of VRAM is definitely enough for gaming with an RTX Card for the next couple of years as long as its not in 4k, I've played red dead, Forza 5, and a couple of other demanding games on my mobile RTX 3070ti and I have never dealt with not having enough VRAM to play them at the highest settings possible at 1440p, even if at some point it is not enough anymore, that's why DLSS exists.
Mr jarrod, I bought a Lenovo Legion 5 i5 11400h 3060 laptop 6v ram 130 w, but now we are starting to see modern games with high vram requirements for gpu. Is this because of bad optimization for games and will it improve in the future? And Will my laptop sufficient for the coming years in high settings ? And Thank you for the excellent content brother ❤
Thank you. It's great to know that last gen games are still well supported on 8gb cards. Next step, Hogwart's Legacy, Jedi Survivor, TLOU part 1, and RE 4 remake? Surprisingly D4 is a vram hog. Hopefully, the upcoming Starfield is going to be less problematic.
Are you sure you are doing this laptop justice as its performance highly depends on its wattage. With proper LM repaste and a decent cooling pad like the Iets Gt500 the GPU can fully utilize 165W in Manual mode and sometimes even crank up to 170W which nets me 11k9 timespy graphic score, equivalent to rtx4070 with 50% more vram. With stock cooling the gpu throttle quite heavily depending on cooling sometimes to only 10k points which is the same with 4060 laptop (the throttle limit is 82c). Ive rocked multiple games in 4k with FSR with decent performance as its in the same tier with the 3060ti desktop with the exception of 12gb sweet vram🍭. Actually bought it 2 years ago based on your recommendation but it sure requires some fiddling to get the most out of it.
How much I love the performance of this system, it has the tendency to thermal shutdowns with a room temp higher than 24°C. Not really good if I say so myself.
I got this laptop on sale. I had a few issues with it but the battery life is exceptional. @4:31 interesting that at 4K ray tracing, the RDNA2 6800M-almost matches Lovelace 4080
I am actually excited for next year. Strix Halo allegedly has the same number of CU as the RX 6800M so if AMD can gain 20% with RDNA3+ over RDNA2 they'd beat the RTX 4070. I really hope AMD makes it. ChatGPT usage is declining so maybe the AI bubble bursts even faster than anticipated and Nvidia feels the burn 🤷♂
@@alderwield9636 yes usage is declining because there are just so many things ordinary people want to know.. It's a good tool for basic research but how many people are really informed about the world even though we all have access to the internet..
Oh yes I got this baby a month ago for 1300€ on sale and I love it.. replaced it with better 32gb ram and thats it.. I really dont see a reason to buy anything with higher specs
I agree , I think in the video he is using the stock ram , this laptop is more powerful with faster ram . I also upgraded the ram to 32 gb and sold the old slower ram . performance is much better with the upgrade and close to RTX 3080 performance .
thanks for this, i have been on the fence about whether to get the strix or a newer nvidia laptop, going to look out for a 4060 laptop now, i wont allways be using it with an external monitor so the mux switch in a newer laptop will be benificial to me and also in not overly keen on the idea in the idea of liquid metal in a laptop thats going to get bounced around in my van.
The other thing people don't understand: this laptop is why we won't see AMD discrete GPU's above 7600 anytime soon. The fact they're still trying to clear these out two years later means demand was just lousy.
@@damplampyes sure, But there only 2 or 3 Laptops with 6600m and 6650m gpus, 2 with 6700m and 3 or 4 with 6800m and 6850m xt. So considering That Nvidia's Count is quadruple if Not more says something else. And as mentioned above there is only Rx 7600m announced in Laptops this year.
@@zalankhan5743 all that really says is that the GP mostly only looks at Nvidia. just because they're more popular, that doesn't mean they're always the better choice. I won't deny that Nvidia has a lot going for it, but I imagine that if more of the people buying PCs knew how exactly AMD GPUs stacked up against Nvidia's, AMD would have more market share
The 6800m laptops were killing the nvidia laptops, better battery life, better performance, not to mention when I picked one of these g15 laptops up, I paid 1600$ and the comparable nvidia 3080 laptop was 2400$ minimum.
It's not available in my country but I will be moving to Georgia and look for it if it's cheaper I'll buy it otherwise I'll have to get it shipped from Amazon US I have had my sights on this laptop for more than a year now.
This laptop with 5980hx model is available for me in 1.19 lakh INR, while legion slim 5 with 4060 is available in at minimum of 1.12lakhs INR, while the Legion 5 pro with 7745hx and 4060 2k 240hz model can possibly be bought in 1.24 - 1.28 lakhs What should be my order to select the laptops? Particularly between the slim 5 and G15 Amd advantage in case the 5 pro isn't available for some reason when i go to buy it, In India (there are gonna be import curbs from November so I'm forced to buy my first gaming laptop fast)
@@jakoick1298 it was going to affect the prices but not now since they replaced it import management instead, i wrote this 3 weeks ago and this news came few days earlier
Hey everyone, for the next years u think this laptop still worth? Im cant choose, because i have 2 options this Asus rog r9 95900HX rx6800m or i7 12650H RTX4060, please u help to choose, just use to play and fun nothing of work
Nice. This laptop deserved a re-review. I own one, M6 batch (means still not great LM application). After 18 months i decided to go through the repaste process. Got rid of the LM (tedious). Removed the old thermal pads. Installed new thermal pads (1 mm and 0.5 mm). Applied some K5 Pro. And applied Grizzly Kryonaut, for both, CPU and GPU. And of course the trick to add a nylon washer to each screw of the Vapor Chamber, to increase the mounting pressure. Amazing results. Before: Idling at 67C. Max Temp of 99C, Throttling. After: Idling at 46C. Max Temp 96C, NO Throttling. I have also took advantange and redo the Win 11 install. Did not install Armoury Crate at all. And using GHlper instead. Perfect. Running Bios 316. I have some PTM 7950 available, but i am very fine with this config.
Hello , i got this laptop yesterday, 16gb ram default, i have stuttering issue when i play games on 1440p resolution, any idea about that?because Im Returning this now for a new piece
Not sure which of the AMD mobile GPUs are affected but the 6850M on my M17 R5 was having constant issues with VR. Had to try different drivers through trial and error to get it to work. Even then, I couldn't get a consistent experience as I'd either get constant stutters or a black screen. Outside of VR, it ran most games quite well in 4k on my TV with the help of VRR. Seems like VR doesn't get a whole lot of attention so I don't think this would affect many people anyways.
I wanted to buy an alienware but none of them have a a numerical keyboard unless u get thr big ass 18 inch model which is dumb af. Maybe next yeat they might. I really like the design and build on them thou
I gotta say though having 12GB of VRAM is like having 32GB of RAM. It can come in handy not only in games but also in professionalism tasks. 8GB GPUs on desktops may be looks like 'meh' but 8GB VRAM on laptops is superior. I wish 8GB should be the minimum on any gaming laptops out there. You can't go wrong with Ngreedia though. There are few reasons why I'm still sticking with team green like DLSS, CUDA, NVenc and stuff.
I bought this laptop 2 years ago , overall i am very satisfied , my only problem with that is that crashes when i use 3d grass on lumion , i have tried new win installation with the latest drivers but still nothing
For me it is not clear, when RT is enabled and when not. For example Witcher 3: "Ray Tracing Preset" but "RT/DLSS/FSR/Frame Gen Disabled". It is an important information since we know that AMD GPUs and RT are not good friends. Also The RX 6800M is normally between RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti WITHOUT RT, so that doesn't correspond with your "24 Game Avarage" Chart. Are the included results mixed?
You're right that's a mistake, Witcher 3 was tested with RT in, copy paste fail. I'll update the pinned comment. The only other game is Metro Exodus, the extreme setting preset we use enables RT reflections. That's it though. "Also The RX 6800M is normally between RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti WITHOUT RT" sorry but I don't think that's true. I compared it with the 3070 and 3080 a couple years ago and it was in between those.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for your quick response. Regarding the RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti...sorry for that mistake, of course I believe your results as you tested them. I confused the RX 6800M with the RX 6850M XT, which should sit between the RTX 30XX Ti models according to another reviewing web page (however, they tested far less games and of course only in rasterized mode). Tanks for your great work!
Wow. I didn't expect a laptop RTX 3060 to be within spitting distance of a 6800M. Though 6GB VRAM is quite lacking in 2023. RTX 4060 8GB laptop seems to be the best option here before you start going up a lot in price.
No actually. Look carefully at jarrod's benchmarks. The 3070ti was matching the 4070 while they cost quite a bit less. The nitro 5 has a 150w 3070ti for $970 in the US on newegg. So it'll beat the rx6800m, match the 4070 for a cheaper price AND still give you access to 99% of nvidia's features. On top of that you get within 10% of a desktop rtx 3070ti in performance, and you're gonna be matching the rx6850mxt in performance as well.
@@DeadBeefTech Yes and you mentioned among the gpu's shown the 4060 is the best option before things go up in price, to which I said the 3070ti is the best option as it was also compared here and it gives 4070 perf but it costs less than 4060 laptops.
@@siyzerix Okay i see. I was just going off what he said in the video about the 4060 being better value. Looks like there are no cheap 3070 ti laptops on amazon right now, might be a newegg only thing.
8:42 Considering how DLSS 2 & Frame Generation 1 are 40 series cards exclusive, it would be prudent to assume that DLSS 3 & Frame Generation 2 would be exclusive to 50 series cards only.
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If you want more details on the RAM I tested with, it's the same kit I used 2 years ago in this video with the 6800M: th-cam.com/video/8XCeAdFqsKg/w-d-xo.html so 1Rx8 in dual channel - an upgrade over the stock x16 stuff, as I think this should be done for optimal 6800M performance.
4:03 The Witcher 3 graphs saying RT was disabled on the graph is wrong, a copy paste fail from other graphs. It was definitely tested with the RT preset.
I saw that video, it's very helpful and guided me to upgrade my ram, thanks for your efforts jarrod 🙏
I have watched the entire video, the previous one as well, and others, in this one you did mention that u used the same RAM upgrade kit and an external monitor, how come from an laptop that was neck in neck with 3080 165W, now can't even get higher values than 3070?
I see people missing out on the screen as well, I don't see any gaming laptop in this budget having such a great screen with 100% DCI-P3. I understand that 3070Ti and a 4070 would be better for some workflows but those would be quite expensive and you may need an external monitor as well still.
Hello Jarrod. Which one have better display quality and cooling system : Asus strix g16 rtx 4060 or acer Helios neo 16 rtx 4060 ???
@@mironescu28 We didn't test a 3070 here, but perhaps it just didn't age as well for other reasons.
I bought this laptop after watching your review before a month. I wanted to go for 4060, but the price difference in my country was 300$. So, I went for 6800m. Love it. Thank you for reviewing it again.
Bought this laptop 2 y ago and im still using it, no issues whatsoever. Overall great machine for gaming even at 1440p
it's great to see you re-reviewing old laptops as there's not a lot of videos on them and drivers could've improved over time
not to mention the 5980HX 6850M refresh has been below $1000 at BEST BUY on their all tie low.... probably the best bang for the buck of the last 5 years
not worth it, the rx6800m/rx6850m is the rebranded rx6700xt desktop which was only $230 on sale
@@sownlengoc 1- where in the world was a 6700XT $230 EVER?
2- cool, can you bring that desktop into a classroom?
@@jesusbarrera6916 1. in Vietnam
2. I know you need a laptop but this is not a clever choice. you should buy a ultrabook, as light as it can be, then you will thank me. I recommend a LG gram 2022
@@sownlengoc ah yes... An Ultrabook for arquitectos and 3d designers
Thank you genius...
Yeah, try 3D modeling on an Intel iGPU and a 4-core 1ghz CPU. Not great, at least until Intel makes a really good iGPU.
Been loving my G15 Advantage had it over a year with no issues. Glad it has the 12gb if VRAM if it only had 8 i couldn't have played quite a few games now.
I watch your vids because i have the same laptop, keep up the good work 👍!
@@Ange_Guerrier Thank you very much for watching and I certainly will.
@@XxViciousxXhi vicious i watched all of your vids before getting it yesterday, i have stuttering issue when i playon 1440p res in any game, it gets better when i throttle it,is this normal? Is upgrading ram to 32gb gonna solve my problem?
@@Savageir Certain games can stutter if you only have 16 GB of RAM but most should be smooth. Mine is pretty much always at 96-97c and I don't get stutter (well besides in badly optimized games) but that's not the laptop's fault.
@@XxViciousxX thank you so much brother
The only problem with this laptop is that it's not available in my country. Which is a shame considering how great it is. I'll try scouring the outside market to find this if it's available. It's a great and underrated laptop atm.
Aw :(
@@JarrodsTech SEA man. It has options, just not the cream of the crop 😂.
It's not you, AMD laptops are rarely available even in countries they are officially released in
Well laptops with AMD GPUs are very rare to find anyway. You will most likely to see AMD CPU but not AMD GPU.
@@Jakiyyyyy true. Closest we got is HP's Omen with 6600M and now TUF A16 with 7600S. It's an inevitable thing.
I was wondering how you got 12GB of VRAM for $1000, but then I remembered that other GPU makers exist...lol
I find it weird that quite a few laptop variants of desktop cards are usually one tier lower in specifications. Like a 4070 desktop is closer to a 4060 laptop that's overclocked.
Edited because people got confused by 2 letters...
Because the dont give a fk about proper naming...
I think you accidentally swapped the laptop with desktop in the gpu names
The 4060,4070 and 4050 laptop GPU's don't see any performance improvement above 90 watts ... And at 90 watts 4070 is only about 25% better than the 4050 at 90 watts
There's no 4060Ti laptop, unless you meant this the other way around
@@soulsbourneSide effects of being crippled by a measley 128 bit memory bandwidth, Nvidia ruined what could have been an epic lineup
Had this since it launched. I can say the Linux support is great now since AMD drivers are in the kernel + Asusctl.
Unfortunately, I have a Legion 7 2022 that also happens to be an AMD Advantage laptop, and I've had serious issues with it on Linux; Tails would get stuck on a white screen, as would playing games full screen.
Never happened on my Nvidia RTX 3050 Ti laptop or my 4090 desktop (granted, I couldn't use Wayland on my desktop until recently but still), and not being able to fullscreen games is a pretty huge problem for a "gaming" laptop.
@@cameronbosch1213 Sounds like some other issue since with the same cpu/gpu the g15 advantage edition does not have this issue. What distro are you using? Something else has to be off since linux support on the g15 has been 100% since it came out.
@@PineyJustice I've tried using Tails (white screens upon boot, but the windows are still there, but I can't see them, likely an issue with GDM) and any KDE Plasma distro (I'm using Arch, BTW 😂) has the same problem when changing certain widgets, theme, or screen edge settings, which is happening on Wayland (which you know, AMD should be fine with). Even a reinstall did not fix the issue, and I havne't tried XOrg for obvious reasons, like the fact AMD *should work on* Wayland!
@@PineyJustice And even the speakers work in the UEFI and so do performance modes (the latter because I think firmware, not Vantage, manages those performance mode settings). I've never had this exact problem with any other computer, and even a full motherboard replacement (for another unrelated issue) did not cause the issue to go away.
@@cameronbosch1213 Strange, I'm using manjaro on mine and have had zero issues since day 1, you mentioned you have the legion, I have the g15, does the legion have a mux? That could be where your problem is.
I bought the 165hz 1440p variant of this laptop last year with a USB-C dock hub and have since sold my desktop. This laptop has converted me to a full-time laptop user.
Thanks so much for your experience. I'm not sure right now, but I might buy one if it's fine for me.
love my g15. New ram and 2tb storage with a gaming monitor, and you good to go
I’ve been rocking this Amd advantage laptop since release. I play a lot of vr, 1440p 1440hz and 4K 60hz. This laptop is such a beast.
Its a great laptop for the money. I noticed his benchmarks seem a bit lower than what I experience but I swapped out my ram for 32Gb of lower timing stuff. Also - running G-Helper instead of Armory Crate frees up system performance because you can uninstall ASUS bloatware services.
Hi, pls do u have any idea why my games are stuttering at 1440p? They run smoothly but i have sudden stutter for 2 sec, i got the same laptop as video
@@Savageir lock the frame rate to 60fps
@@Savageir Thermal throttling in Turbo mode. make a custom fan curve for your video card in armory crate and at 80-90 Degrees make the fans 100%
I would strongly recommend NOT to buy a 4k laptop for gaming, since laptops mid-tier laptops aren't there yet. You have to buy a 4080 or 4090 laptop for enough 4k performance and even then upscaling is a must in many cases...
It's an interesting unit for sure. I picked up two of these last year for 750-800$ each. There's a couple of things that hold back the potential of the laptop. If one's willing to hunt for deals that are below the 750$ mark nowadays and is willing to get into tinkering this machine, it can be quite a decent grab.
You got to steal! Great find
Can you guide a bit on the tinkering part? Any video I can follow?
@@boristhebear9511 Certainly! If you need a point to start, I'd recommend looking into Skii's G15 Advantage Edition Tuning video. There's also XxViciousxX that goes quite in depth with their own unit in various games and subjects related to the laptop.
Bro I just bought this a couple weeks ago. Picked it up for 1400 with tax and I love it.
Good to hear!
about vram vs raw GPU power: Textures on high quality requires a lot of vRAM. A game with ultra textures with eveything else set to medium would look MUCH better than textures set to medium but everything else to ultra. Texture quality is the most important setting for a game to look good. To sacrifice vram amount for raw performance means to lose the most important graphics quality of all.
I agree. What good is all the bells and whistles if you get N64 level textures
You can get plenty of extra fps from this laptop with proper tweaks, for example I have 91 fps compare to 77 on video in RDR2 at Ultra settings
Ah, it doesn't have a MUX switch. I was wondering why my 6850M XT, which is only slightly faster in spec, was putting up noticeably better numbers. I disabled the iGPU in my 6900HX and saw a noticeable bump in performance.
Yeah one of the downsides of this model, but it is also generally cheaper (when on sale), so I guess I get it.. But yeah anyway to be fair, we tested with an external screen connected to Type-C, so iGPU was bypassed in this testing.
Is disabling iGPU is safe ? My Lenovo IdeaPad gaming 3 doesn't have a mux switch I'm wondering if disabling igpu is safe or not
@@skz7936 its not. dont do that
@@skz7936 usually disabling the igpu may cause issues as it is like what bridges out the frames to your laptop display. To bypass you'll need to play via a external display as especially the HDMI out of laptops are connected directly to the dGPU.
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atleast those extra vram will be useful to max/high texture settings in many games at 1440p
Have this laptop for an year now, got it for $1100 which is extremely good. I'm not than satisfied with the power of this machine. I play games daily in this @ 2k. Lovely machine❤️
Using a smaller screen I don’t really see playing at 4K worth it for any performance hit. So at 1440p a lot of these games seem to be handling well with just 8vram on a 4070 laptop
I don't know why these people keep saying cheap. Only cheap in comparison not cheap at all. You have to look up the definition cheap. Budget gaming laptop is what people are looking for. That's cheap which can be from $300-500 bagging price.
You're going to find it pretty difficult to find a gaming laptop in that price range, especially from within the last year or two. At least without having to buy second hand. The cheapest option we have our deals site right now is $500
One trick I learned from 2-year ownership: your CPU can hit 95-96C playing high demand games (Red Dead Redemption for example), and 70s idle. I went to Windows battery options, and turned off boost for the Performance profile. You still retain great performance but temps are around 10C lower!! Leaving the Turbo profile for when you want max performance (and heat 😅)
I just use Ryzen controller to set up whatever temperature o want.
Hello sir , i got it yesterday exact specs as video, i have stuttering when i play any game on 1440p res, any idea about this problem?cuz im returning it for a new piece soon
@@Savageir by stuttering, did you mean low fps or fps dips? Is your laptop running on AC power? Which performance profile in Amory Crate? Using the discrete graphics card? It's difficult to determine the issue without knowing how you've configured it
@@bathong188 done everything u mentioned, fps is smooth like 140-150 suddenly it comes down to 15-17 fps for two seconds.
@@Savageir Aw that sucks. I hope you've resolved the issue by now. I'd try doing a clean install with the AMD graphics driver tool
I didn't understand such a huge difference between this 6800m and legion 7 6850m.
RDR2 63fps and 109fps,
CP2077 43fps and 60fps.
it's even slower than legion 7 6700m
Got a Legion 7 2021 model with 3080 16G VRAM and 5900hx after watching the 4060/4070 review, with less than 1500$ in my country, pretty happy with it, especially when you want to run some cool AI model locally, 16G VRAM is very useful.
now i want to see how the old 3070 laptops are holding up in newer games
I might be able to get a 11800H + 3070. The data in this graph is kind of new for a big video I am working on (months away) comparing all modern laptop and desktops.
@@JarrodsTech Can you do a comparison of how nvidia keeps making laptop and desktop parts further and further away since pascal in terms of performance?
From what I remember, the old review showed that the 6800M was able to come really close to the RTX 3080 but now it seems to be at like 3070 levels overall which is kinda weird
Fine wine in reverse
@@JarrodsTech but AMD used to be the best fine wine dealer
Because the rtx 3080 was barely 10% to 15% faster than the 3070m, and is now matched by the rtx 3070ti. And remember, the rx6800m was slower than the rtx 3080 so from the start it was always matched by a full wattage 3070m
@@JarrodsTech which is absolutely not true. You're just using a different set of games with different and more Nvidia-favorable settings. It's especially funny to see how you're comparing DLSS performance on Nvidia with no upscaling on Amd.
@@JarrodsTech If it's the same unit you used for original review, are you sure it was not throttling? Out of curiousity I benchmarked mine today in Cyberpunk 2077 1440p/Ultra/No FSR and got 50.88 FPS, which is on par with RTX 4070 according to results presented in the video.
I’ve used this one for almost a year and it’s got to be my favorite machine I’ve ever used. It’s a beast, keeps up with everything I throw at it and more, mainly at 1440p.
Couldn’t be happier.
You changed it?
I was actually gonna settle with this laptop but ultimately decided to go with building a desktop 3060 due to my limited budget and my softwares' way of functioning with certain gpus but its worth it 👍
Can i ask an important question if i bought a laptop with no windows preinstalled and installed it in any store that installs it with a license will this affect gaming experience????
Gotta say I have this laptop after upgrading the ram and the wifi card, throwing an extra ssd in it, hooking it up to an external screen. I love it. Don't need the external screen because you can run all the new games at 1440p high setting. If you willing too upgrade the ram and wifi card I highly recommend this laptop. Can't beat that 12gbs of vram unless you want to get that 3080ti with the 16gbs.
Same. Also install G-Helper to replace Armory Crate. It saves a lot on background processes that are no longer needed.
@@lordcommander3224Thanks for sharing
I have this laptop, got it in 2021, I've put 64GB of RAM on it, it's a great beast, I run Linux on it and do heavy virtualization, the laptop can handle anything.
And you can use all of the 64 GB? It says it can handle 32 GB max.
I've been using this laptop for about 2 years. Fantastic performance, reliability etc. 100% receommended from me.
I got an XG Mobile 6850M XT with my Ally. What a killer combo. Both for only $1,300! I'm waiting until next year to pick up a 4K gamjng labtop. I don't think the 4090M is there just yet.
I'm also building a $3.5K-$4K 4090 rig at this time as well.
That's a pretty good deal!
Super useful analysis Jared, thanks so much for your insightful work. You've really dispelled the myth of VRAM here - at least as far as it relates to laptop GPUs.
Wonder if FSR 3 will bring back the 6800M to life.
well did it bring? Is it good? I was looking forward to buying this laptop
@@RangingCatX5 Don't know, don't have one lmao
@@lostskull7467 well I just gave up on it its ok xDD oh lord that laptop is Broken AF, wanted to buy it cause its "FUTURE PROOF" 12GB Vram, on paper Its a great laptop but it seems like It wont last long, just checked reddit and everyones strix G15 advantage has a problem after 1 or 2 years, black screen, faulty motherboard, faulty sound, battery goes 100 to 0 in an hour! yada yada, Let's say It's been a long time since I've been this disappointed in life :(
More vram comes handy when you want to install that 8k texture mod for you game.
Exactly the video I needed
Hope it helps!
@@JarrodsTech I was thinking this and tuf A 16, I will go with A 16 (for this price point)
it would also be interesting to make an analysis of this laptop for content creators and especially for those who work with design or 3D
Seeing 4050 matching 6800M in Far Cry 6 is all kinds of wrong.
Many games automatically removes so many assets in aparently similar settings in graphics menus on 8gb cards , It's waaay unfair comparison
I bought this laptop used off Ebay for £650 (with 1440p 165 Hz display) and have had no issues with it in the last few months. I use it full time as my main PC, which has replaced my old 9700K/3060Ti desktop. You can't beat the cost to performance ratio. It's better than a desktop for the same money and you get a high quality screen.
FYI to anyone interested, you can get a hefty performance boost if you uninstall Armoury Crate.
In Borderlands 3, at Ultra, mine went from 74 fps to 107 fps.
What app would you recommend for adjusting fan speeds?
@@sreenaths6829 I don't use one yet.
But I hear SpeedFan is good.
That's what I did. I downloaded G-Helper instead of Armory Crate.
The bloatware on this laptop was eating performance.
am I the only one who feels like gamers get caught up in the consumeristic mindset of always needing to play the latest AAA games on ultra settings or feeling like they're "missing out"?
buying a high quality laptop that's a few years older, can play 60-100 FPS on most games, but may have to suffer the cruelty of playing on medium settings should be ok for most people...and can save you a ton of money.
I think I'd be happy with this laptop cus of the price point and the fact that it's going to suit my needs. Most of my games don't need a top end GPU anyway.
Wow , this has solidified my decision to get the 4080 ROG strix 16", the 4080 isnt too far behind that 4090, but the 4070 is wayy behind
I actually bought it on sale after watching 4000 reviews. Got the 1440 model and upgraded the RAM. Haven't had any issues with it yet.
Same here
No stuttering at 1440p res in games?
@@Savageir none yet. Mostly play elden ring, battlefield and Diablo IV though
A few years ago we were talking about the number of transistors, after that we started talking about Tflops and now we talk about VRAM ☠️
TO me the extra 20ish percent performance boost of the 6850M XT is enough to take advantage of the 12GB of VRAM while the 6800m is definitely on the edge similar to a desktop 3060. the 6850M XT might be what a 3070 with 12GB of VRAM could have been.
I thought the 6850m XT was just a small boost in clocks. Never saw 20% increase and if so maybe the testing wasn't with a G15 AE 6800m XT connected to the USBC and with x8 RAM.
@@steveco1800 clocks are about 16 percent faster. seen the performance boost range from 30 to 10 percent. i don't think any low powered 6850m xt exist so its possible that does skew results.
Consider tuning it
It gives that 20℅ you're looking for
@@kickskii I just bought it for my sister and she's coming from a PS5. So it's been a huge upgrade for her. 60FPS at 4k in the Witcher is pretty decent for a mid range priced laptop
in most games im seeing 10 percent at 1440, but it's faster at 1080p by more don't know why.
My desktop ran every game at slightly above 1080p with my i7 8700k W/ rtx. 2070 non super but the last of us showed me it’s slacking with 8gb of VRAM. I bit the bullet and bought the 2023 Razer Blade 16 with rtx 4090 170w with 4k screen. This thing is amazing! Better than my desktop for sure but battery life kinda sucks but now I can bring it with me for work and not bring my tower everywhere
The 4090 mobile is nuts! That thing is beast
Hogwards legacy ultra 1440p uses 10gb and forza 5 on extreme setting. Worth it for sure less frame drops. Im very glad owning legion 7 6850m xt. I used to have 3070
Hogwarts eats VRAM for breakfast
@@JarrodsTechDoes this Asus have mux switch? As I remember Asus did not include it in 2021
@blondegirl7240 No. Only the Legion 7 2022 and the HP Omen 16 had a Mux switch in 2022. (And only the Omen had Smart Access Graphics.)
@@cameronbosch1213 yeah, legion 7 does not boost Gpu higher than 140 watts probably because of Smart Access Graphics :(
@@blondegirl7240 You mean the lack of Smart Access Graphics.
I bought this laptop on launch, still don't need to upgrade for a while.
Prolly wait for 8800m if they ever make that.
Happy with msi delta 15, i can play every game i want.
Same here.
I played Plague tale requim and many other demanding games like god of war, jedi fallen order, Red dead redemption 2, cyberpunk 2077, Witcher 3, Death Stranding, Horizon Zero dawn, Metro Exodus, tomb raider seires, Both the new spiderman games and many more with 2gb of vram 😂
Nvidia MX350 with i5 11th gen 8 gb ram with meduim to low settings in 1080p resolution
This laptop really shines from best buy when on sale, you then look for open box excellent. I got mine for $750. Then upgraded to the 32gb Kingston Fury Impact KF432S20IBK2/32 and a 1tb and 2tb nvme gen 3. For under $1000 you have 6700xt desktop performance and 2k 165Hz display. For under $1000 this laptop will serve you very well considering the current gen prices.
Hi, i upgrade mine with same ram kit but my laptop now starting in bios mode every time. I need to manually exit bios every time i start it, then everything works fine. Did you had something similar?
6700xt is like 3070
6800xt is like 3080 4k/3090 1080p depending on the resolution amd performance scale worse at 4k currently. I got a desktop 6800xt and my strix ae 6800m is not that much slower.
@youssefadlan I'm not doing deep dive benchmarking like Jarrod but I'm using 3d benchmark and comparing the results from runs I made the last three years including many zen2 and zen3 desktops with 6700xt/6800xt/6900xt and 3080/3090/4090 GPUs. With that basic comparison this mobile part aligns with the 6700xt. The biggest issue I have with all these mobile parts is the blatant deception used with naming conventions. IMO this should just have been called the 6700xt.
@@user-sd4rn2xz9z sorry I checked and my kit was the Kingston Fury Impact KF432S20IBK2/32 but no I've had no boot issues. Have you flashed to the most recent bios?
@@OldAccountUser 6700xt is a little better than a 3060ti, but still away from a 3070 until VRAM kicks in
meanwhile, my potato laptop with a nvidia ge540m just do just fine playing ps1 gba emulators. I would love to try those monster gpu but im too poor to do that lol
Good laptops are hard to find in my country, especially on the south side and even the older laptop that's not comparable to the latest are so overpriced, i wanted to ask them if they are dropped as a child.
RTX 3060 still holds strong with 6GB VRAM only, especially in 1080p.
yep, I'm glad i spent a little extra for a rtx3060 laptop than on a 3050ti
Legion 5 2021 bundled with rtx 3060 130w tgp with 6gb vram
I've got a 6600M with 8gb Vram and it performs better than my friend's 3060 laptop in ultra settings in most new games because it has more vram.
@@priyanshusharma1812 depends on the unit too, maybe your friend got a nitro/idpg3 and you got helios/legion. 3060>6600M always
True, i even go to 1440p in some games like Forza, Need for speed payback..etc.
Asus AE is the most underrated laptop in recent years. 2021 laptop with 11800 gpu time spy score and 12 gigs of vram. .shame its hard to get now
I was surprised how often it went on sale for the last 2 years!
Had this for 2 years or so based on your original review. Still have no issues to this day and only paid $1200.
Bought one of these with the 1080p 300hz screen back when they first went on sale for $1100 and upgraded to 32gb of 3600mhz ram. I mostly do CAD work in my spare time and my gaming is usually VR (12gb vram
Probably one of the best VR laptops Price/Perf out there. Never thought at first that I'd need the 12GB of VRAM out of an unit, but going from a Dell G15 with a 5800H|3060 to this thing's been something I haven't regretted. I wouldn't necessarily buy the G15 AE brand new now, but I can absolutely recommend the Alienware AE with how cheap that thing's been going for pure Price/Perf.
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Man, love my Asus G14 RTX 3060, but it's feeling the VRAM squeeze. I'm Golden with my XFX 7900 XTX @3Ghz and 24GB VRAM at 1.1Tbs+ on PC, but it's tuff on laptops 💯
Im patiently waiting for AMD to announce the The RX 7800M as according to reports the jump in performance is massive over the 6000 series
Im thinking to do the same the nvidia carda just arnt that appealing for their price vs performance rn. Or maybe wait till the end of next year when the new 50 series come out
Will they launch the 7800M or it will be 8800M? This year there is only the 7600M and an other one.
@@Gamex99999 The 7800m will release im guessing later this year, should expect announcement very soon
@poochihead Ah, okay, I see. They announced a few at the beginning of the year, and the remaining ones at the end of the year. I'll follow this. Thanks.
All this video says is the 3070ti is a fantastic laptop gpu. I was lucky I got one 150W version for 1350 dollars in India, where everything is overpriced
You got acer nitro 5 ??
@@Sparkleframe omen 16
@@meanmachine6173how nitro 5?is it better or what about 4060 laptops like predator
@@meanmachine6173how is it? Can you give us a review?
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 Im talking about the Omen 16 with 3070ti and R7 6800H. Nil problems till now and decent cooling. Keyboard deck is metal so durable construction
Someone just sold me a G17 Advantage Edition that was lightly-used, was a bit impressed, so watched the G15 AE review and was quite happy. But then I saw this video, hahaha, having mixed feelings.
Very informative video, seems like 2yrs have gone by very quickly, even for tech.
I feel like 1080p max settings is still doable on my RTX 3060 laptop most of the time and it's fine. My 7900 XTX can do 4k@60fps+ max all day, but it's using just under 450w at 3Ghz; which isn't possible in small factor. At the end of the day I wish we could get the extra value AMD's offering for desktop PCs on laptops, but that just isn't the case. For now, my 3060 is fine and takes care of my mobile gaming needs just fine. That always changes though. So, I really appreciate your content. It's some of the most useful information available anywhere, very thorough and as unbiased as possible. Thanks for all the late nights and hard work. You are appreciated!
We have 200w GPU's in laptops during turing with 330w bricks. They came in 4kg 17' laptops. Then lenovo crammed a 180w 3080ti into a 2.6kg 16' laptop with a 300w brick. With a 330w brick I'm sure it can do 200w on the GPU.
The 4090 doesn't lose much performance at 250w vs 350w to 400w. So realistically you can put a 230w to 250w rtx 4090 into a thicker 18' laptop and maybe use a 220w to 230w rtx 4090 in a 17' laptop and still retain most of the desktop 4090's performance. MUCH faster than the current ''4090''m.
Dissapointed my 4070 laptop is gimped with 8gb and poor bandwidth, couldn't find amd equipped laptops
8 gigs of VRAM is definitely enough for gaming with an RTX Card for the next couple of years as long as its not in 4k, I've played red dead, Forza 5, and a couple of other demanding games on my mobile RTX 3070ti and I have never dealt with not having enough VRAM to play them at the highest settings possible at 1440p, even if at some point it is not enough anymore, that's why DLSS exists.
Mr jarrod, I bought a Lenovo Legion 5 i5 11400h 3060 laptop 6v ram 130 w, but now we are starting to see modern games with high vram requirements for gpu. Is this because of bad optimization for games and will it improve in the future? And Will my laptop sufficient for the coming years in high settings ? And Thank you for the excellent content brother ❤
Why would you buy a 3060 laptop now when 3070ti ones are going for quite a cheap price?
@@siyzerix it was a good deal i bought it with a 850 Dollar
@@iamkemo2873 In the US a 3070ti nitro 5 is $970
@@siyzerix wow pro that's a great deal but unfortunately I don't live in us so is there any website that I can buy from it
@@iamkemo2873 Neither do I. My nitro 5 was $1260 for a i7 12650h, 1440p 165hz panel and a i7 12650h
Thank you. It's great to know that last gen games are still well supported on 8gb cards. Next step, Hogwart's Legacy, Jedi Survivor, TLOU part 1, and RE 4 remake? Surprisingly D4 is a vram hog. Hopefully, the upcoming Starfield is going to be less problematic.
Excellent time for this video. Apart from the liquid metal and wifi card issues, it is an incredible laptop!
Interesting video. Shame the card benchmarks at a 2080 mobile, or 3050 desktop with 8GB Ram.
So in a nutshell, I should be looking at getting an RTX 3080ti laptop...noted
Are you sure you are doing this laptop justice as its performance highly depends on its wattage. With proper LM repaste and a decent cooling pad like the Iets Gt500 the GPU can fully utilize 165W in Manual mode and sometimes even crank up to 170W which nets me 11k9 timespy graphic score, equivalent to rtx4070 with 50% more vram. With stock cooling the gpu throttle quite heavily depending on cooling sometimes to only 10k points which is the same with 4060 laptop (the throttle limit is 82c). Ive rocked multiple games in 4k with FSR with decent performance as its in the same tier with the 3060ti desktop with the exception of 12gb sweet vram🍭. Actually bought it 2 years ago based on your recommendation but it sure requires some fiddling to get the most out of it.
How much I love the performance of this system, it has the tendency to thermal shutdowns with a room temp higher than 24°C.
Not really good if I say so myself.
Interesting, we've never had any laptop in 200+ shut off due to thermals.
24 C is cold bro
@@I_killed_that_beard_guy not for room temperature
This laptop needs 32gb ram and it needs the cpu undervolting to get the best out of it. It completely unoptimised
I have this laptop and when I try to run Benchmark it’s shuts down 🥺 anybody knows why?
I got this laptop on sale. I had a few issues with it but the battery life is exceptional.
@4:31 interesting that at 4K ray tracing, the RDNA2 6800M-almost matches Lovelace 4080
Have thia laptop right about your first review! Still doing great with my current games!
Probably the best laptop that I had.
I just realized, as if I hadn't already, how my 3060 laptop is holding up so well against the competition.
I got this laptop and I love it. It runs everything really well
i love the 6800M. handles everything i throw at it.
I am actually excited for next year. Strix Halo allegedly has the same number of CU as the RX 6800M so if AMD can gain 20% with RDNA3+ over RDNA2 they'd beat the RTX 4070. I really hope AMD makes it. ChatGPT usage is declining so maybe the AI bubble bursts even faster than anticipated and Nvidia feels the burn 🤷♂
Wow really? I mean the chatGPT thing? The usage has been going down?
Well damn guess people can also get bored talking with ai chat bot huh
People can only be entertained by gimmicks for so long
@@alderwield9636 I mean its happened before the whole chatbot thing
@@jayclarke777 I wouldn't say it's a gimmick but yeah the new factor always quickly fades
@@alderwield9636 yes usage is declining because there are just so many things ordinary people want to know.. It's a good tool for basic research but how many people are really informed about the world even though we all have access to the internet..
If you don't have enough VRAM you simply reduce the texture quality and the problem is solved.
So much much changing texture quality helps?
Oh yes I got this baby a month ago for 1300€ on sale and I love it.. replaced it with better 32gb ram and thats it.. I really dont see a reason to buy anything with higher specs
I agree , I think in the video he is using the stock ram , this laptop is more powerful with faster ram . I also upgraded the ram to 32 gb and sold the old slower ram . performance is much better with the upgrade and close to RTX 3080 performance .
thanks for this, i have been on the fence about whether to get the strix or a newer nvidia laptop, going to look out for a 4060 laptop now, i wont allways be using it with an external monitor so the mux switch in a newer laptop will be benificial to me and also in not overly keen on the idea in the idea of liquid metal in a laptop thats going to get bounced around in my van.
What the heck happened to the 1% lows on the RTX 3080 Ti in Forza Horizon 5?
The other thing people don't understand: this laptop is why we won't see AMD discrete GPU's above 7600 anytime soon. The fact they're still trying to clear these out two years later means demand was just lousy.
there's also plenty of Nvidia GPU laptops from 2 years ago still in stock. this is a moot point
@@damplampyes sure, But there only 2 or 3 Laptops with 6600m and 6650m gpus, 2 with 6700m and 3 or 4 with 6800m and 6850m xt. So considering That Nvidia's Count is quadruple if Not more says something else.
And as mentioned above there is only Rx 7600m announced in Laptops this year.
@@zalankhan5743 all that really says is that the GP mostly only looks at Nvidia. just because they're more popular, that doesn't mean they're always the better choice.
I won't deny that Nvidia has a lot going for it, but I imagine that if more of the people buying PCs knew how exactly AMD GPUs stacked up against Nvidia's, AMD would have more market share
The 6800m laptops were killing the nvidia laptops, better battery life, better performance, not to mention when I picked one of these g15 laptops up, I paid 1600$ and the comparable nvidia 3080 laptop was 2400$ minimum.
Thanks for the link, ordered me the Alienware m17 that's half off with the 6900hx and 6850m. Beast set up for 1100ish
It's not available in my country but I will be moving to Georgia and look for it if it's cheaper I'll buy it otherwise I'll have to get it shipped from Amazon US I have had my sights on this laptop for more than a year now.
This laptop with 5980hx model is available for me in 1.19 lakh INR, while legion slim 5 with 4060 is available in at minimum of 1.12lakhs INR, while the Legion 5 pro with 7745hx and 4060 2k 240hz model can possibly be bought in 1.24 - 1.28 lakhs
What should be my order to select the laptops? Particularly between the slim 5 and G15 Amd advantage in case the 5 pro isn't available for some reason when i go to buy it, In India (there are gonna be import curbs from November so I'm forced to buy my first gaming laptop fast)
those import curbs are not going to affect prices of laptops
@@jakoick1298 it was going to affect the prices but not now since they replaced it import management instead, i wrote this 3 weeks ago and this news came few days earlier
Hey everyone, for the next years u think this laptop still worth? Im cant choose, because i have 2 options this Asus rog r9 95900HX rx6800m or i7 12650H RTX4060, please u help to choose, just use to play and fun nothing of work
Nice.
This laptop deserved a re-review.
I own one, M6 batch (means still not great LM application).
After 18 months i decided to go through the repaste process.
Got rid of the LM (tedious).
Removed the old thermal pads. Installed new thermal pads (1 mm and 0.5 mm). Applied some K5 Pro.
And applied Grizzly Kryonaut, for both, CPU and GPU.
And of course the trick to add a nylon washer to each screw of the Vapor Chamber, to increase the mounting pressure.
Amazing results.
Before: Idling at 67C. Max Temp of 99C, Throttling.
After: Idling at 46C. Max Temp 96C, NO Throttling.
I have also took advantange and redo the Win 11 install.
Did not install Armoury Crate at all. And using GHlper instead. Perfect.
Running Bios 316.
I have some PTM 7950 available, but i am very fine with this config.
Hello , i got this laptop yesterday, 16gb ram default, i have stuttering issue when i play games on 1440p resolution, any idea about that?because Im Returning this now for a new piece
@@Savageir never use Games to test. Use Benchmarks. TimeSpy, Firestrike, R23...
How long can you hold 190w combined load?
Not sure which of the AMD mobile GPUs are affected but the 6850M on my M17 R5 was having constant issues with VR. Had to try different drivers through trial and error to get it to work. Even then, I couldn't get a consistent experience as I'd either get constant stutters or a black screen. Outside of VR, it ran most games quite well in 4k on my TV with the help of VRR. Seems like VR doesn't get a whole lot of attention so I don't think this would affect many people anyways.
I wanted to buy an alienware but none of them have a a numerical keyboard unless u get thr big ass 18 inch model which is dumb af. Maybe next yeat they might. I really like the design and build on them thou
I gotta say though having 12GB of VRAM is like having 32GB of RAM. It can come in handy not only in games but also in professionalism tasks. 8GB GPUs on desktops may be looks like 'meh' but 8GB VRAM on laptops is superior. I wish 8GB should be the minimum on any gaming laptops out there. You can't go wrong with Ngreedia though. There are few reasons why I'm still sticking with team green like DLSS, CUDA, NVenc and stuff.
I bought this laptop 2 years ago , overall i am very satisfied , my only problem with that is that crashes when i use 3d grass on lumion , i have tried new win installation with the latest drivers but still nothing
For me it is not clear, when RT is enabled and when not. For example Witcher 3: "Ray Tracing Preset" but "RT/DLSS/FSR/Frame Gen Disabled". It is an important information since we know that AMD GPUs and RT are not good friends. Also The RX 6800M is normally between RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti WITHOUT RT, so that doesn't correspond with your "24 Game Avarage" Chart. Are the included results mixed?
You're right that's a mistake, Witcher 3 was tested with RT in, copy paste fail. I'll update the pinned comment. The only other game is Metro Exodus, the extreme setting preset we use enables RT reflections. That's it though.
"Also The RX 6800M is normally between RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti WITHOUT RT" sorry but I don't think that's true. I compared it with the 3070 and 3080 a couple years ago and it was in between those.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for your quick response. Regarding the RTX 3070 Ti and RTX 3080 Ti...sorry for that mistake, of course I believe your results as you tested them. I confused the RX 6800M with the RX 6850M XT, which should sit between the RTX 30XX Ti models according to another reviewing web page (however, they tested far less games and of course only in rasterized mode).
Tanks for your great work!
Two ways to help vram usage
Either optimize the game properly
Or put more vram in gpus
Thats a dumb take, devs are not gonna want or able to keep "optimizing" for 8gb cards especially at how fast the technology and software increase is
@@Eleganttf2Exactly
I was shocked when you and hardware unboxed had an entire stream on Vram in Laptop GPUs and didn't mention the 6800M in it.
Thank You!
Wow. I didn't expect a laptop RTX 3060 to be within spitting distance of a 6800M. Though 6GB VRAM is quite lacking in 2023. RTX 4060 8GB laptop seems to be the best option here before you start going up a lot in price.
Yeah honestly the numbers shown in this video just don't suit right with me for some reason
No actually. Look carefully at jarrod's benchmarks. The 3070ti was matching the 4070 while they cost quite a bit less. The nitro 5 has a 150w 3070ti for $970 in the US on newegg. So it'll beat the rx6800m, match the 4070 for a cheaper price AND still give you access to 99% of nvidia's features. On top of that you get within 10% of a desktop rtx 3070ti in performance, and you're gonna be matching the rx6850mxt in performance as well.
@@siyzerix huh? I was talking about the 4060.
@@DeadBeefTech Yes and you mentioned among the gpu's shown the 4060 is the best option before things go up in price, to which I said the 3070ti is the best option as it was also compared here and it gives 4070 perf but it costs less than 4060 laptops.
@@siyzerix Okay i see. I was just going off what he said in the video about the 4060 being better value. Looks like there are no cheap 3070 ti laptops on amazon right now, might be a newegg only thing.
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Considering how DLSS 2 & Frame Generation 1 are 40 series cards exclusive, it would be prudent to assume that DLSS 3 & Frame Generation 2 would be exclusive to 50 series cards only.