I am an Italian citizen IUS Sanguinis, who takes his citizenship seriously, and yes, I do speak standard Italian. At university, I studied Italian history, art, culture and politics. I am well versed in current sociological, political and economic problems in Italy. I have lived in Italy in the past, and now visit frequently. I vote In Italian elections through my local consulate. While I support the proposed referendum, I am disappointed in some Italians who call themselves “real Italians” while considering me a “fake” or “second class citizen” because I was not born in Italy. I, therefore, understand why some IUS sanguinis citizens and others may not be supportive of a change in citizenship laws . One would think that native born Italians, the so called “”real Italians,” would be proud that IUS sanguinis citizens, after so many generations outside of Italy, still love, value and respect their ancestral homeland, and would accept them with open arms. Viva l’Italia! 🇮🇹
Thank you so much for your comment! I do not doubt that there are people like the ones you are describing in Italy but, in my experience, in general Italians perceived the "ius sanguinis" white people like you way more italian that second generation people who, for example, was born in Italy to african parents. This is the perception of most of the population, especcially old people who, as you know very well if you watched the entire video, is by BY FAR the vast majority of the country.
Hello, Italian here! I am not an elderly person, but the Ius Sangunis, for the majority of Italian people, is synonymous with Italianness, regardless of the place of birth because it represents our genetic heritage. If you come to Italy, you are welcome! 😊
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Your English is very good. This law doesn't apply to any bloodline Italian child born abroad to expatriate italian parents who had both implicitly renounced their own Italian citizenship when they previously acquired a foreign one. Queste leggi non sono applicabili ai figli di italiani che sono nati all'estero dopo che entrambi i loro genitori hanno implicitamente rinunciato alle loro cittadinanze italiane (quando hanno acquistato la cittadinanza del Paese in cui si sono trasferiti). I'm in that group.
@@stefaniacascu1323 Not true - they don't view me as an Italian. If you look Italian and you're able to speak Italian without a foreign accent, you're in.
I was born in Manchester U.K and I'm proud of my Italian heritage. I will always be proud of my Grandparents and my Parents for the way they kept our Italian culture. I still feel Italian even tho I was born outside of Italy. Yes I'm British born, but my roots, heritage and DNA will always be Italian with or without a passport. Yes I do have have Italian Citizenship and that was one of the proudest days of my life when I got my Italian Citizenship at age 27 I'm now 62. If you are born in Italy you are no different then me being born in the UK. I automatically got British Citizenship being born in England. That should also apply to those people who have been born in Italy. They will no doubt feel the same way as I do about my Italian heritage they will feel the sameway about their parents heritage. Also I hope they will equally be proud to be Italian and born in Italy too.
Thank you for comment! I am particularly interested in british italians. I have many friends with a story similar to yours and I want to make a video about that!
Although I am of retirement age, my working and learning days are not yet over. I am a few months away from having all paperwork complete to present to a registrar in Italy. I want to live there and be part of the culture. I have some ancient family history I am going to research as well. Italy will be my home. I can contribute to the economy.
Thank you for this new video. I always learn something new from you, and I didn't know the history of the law(s) granting citizenship via one's bloodline. I have told my friends here in America that Italians effectively *inherit* their citizenship from their parent(s)' blood, and this is surprising to many Americans who assume that birthright citizenship is the norm around the world. When I made the decision to pursue citizenship, the law firm in Italy with which I am working told me that my biological siblings could piggyback on my application since we all share the same bloodline. Mine is a 1948 case, so everything must be done in Italy with a judge. I have 2 sisters that I invited to join me in doing this, and I even told them that I would pay the majority of the cost. However, after thinking about it, they both decided against joining me because they said they couldn't imagine ever moving to Italy. Since it is a lot of work and a considerable expense to obtain all of the vital records one needs to complete the Jure Sanguinis process, I always assumed that most people did it with a desire to one day live in Italy rather than to just receive the recognition from the Italian government. You are probably correct when you say that the vast majority of newly recognized citizens from the Italian diaspora never leave their country of birth, but it does seem foolish to hunt down all of those vital records and spend the money necessary to complete the process if you are simply going to acquire an Italian passport as if it were a cultural trophy. There might be other personal or sentimental reasons for wanting to obtain dual citizenship, but it is a long and challenging process. I've been at it for almost three years (with help from the firm), and I don't expect to finish until sometime in the second half of next year. It's also worth mentioning that if you are recognized as an Italian citizen and go on vacation to Italy, it's not like the citizenship or Italian passport will open doors for you as a tourist, or grant you immediate access to the healthcare system there. Most of the benefits of Italian citizenship only come with residency. By the way, the population collapse problem you mentioned is a global one. Elon Musk has been sounding the alarm about it for years, but I haven't heard too many others do the same. Grazie per un altro video eccellente.
Dear Lee, thank you so much for this thorough comment. You made a very good point.why undergo the bureaucratic and economic difficulties of obtaining Italian citizenship, if the vast majority don't even come to live in Italy? There are two major reasons, that I did non have the time to explore during the video. 1) Italian Passport is the third most accepted in the world. You can literally go everywhere. Everyone wants one if available, especially if you come from countries that have much weaker passports. And you do not need to live here to have the passport. 2)Healthcare, especially in Northern Italy: many brazilians with Italian citizenship can come here and have the excellent healthcare of the Veneto region.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Dear Luca, 1 - would you mind sharing the evidence you have that brazilians are using italian healthcare? 2 - it is way more expensive and time consuming to go through the process of having the italian citizenship recognized than it is to get an american visa - a visa that is valid for 10 years, and brazilians don't need a visa to enter and stay in europe for up to 90 days, why do you think people go through the trouble?
@@BepiScuria 1) the president of Veneto Region said so in a very interesting interview. 2) US is not the only country with which is good to have the Italian Passport.
Jus Sanguinis law has protected Italians from foreign upheaval. My mother migrated to Australia in 1961. No problems so far. Her brother migrated in the 1950s to a country that no longer exists, Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. After the insurgency (Bush War) into the 1970s they were forced to leave. Returning to Italy was a simple transition that would have been complicated had his 3 Rhodesian/Zimbabwen born children not had automatic Italian citizenship. Also over 250 thousand Italians were expelled from North Africa after WW2 and many of the (Pied Noirs) born in Algeria were of Italian heritage and also expelled in the 1960s. My father's brother migrated to Venezuela in the 1950s. I'm sure many Venezuelans of of Italian origin would thank God that they have the opportunity to return back to Italy. I believe anybody born and studying in Italy should have automatic citizenship just like Australia.
This story is super interesting, really! It would deserve a video!. I do not know what whether is better for a country to die with a foreign upheaval of just because everyone is old and dieying my friend.
To put it in perspective, it is estimated that there are between 30 and 35 million descendants of Italians in Brazil and the population of Italy is around 60 million people. The city of São Paulo is home to the largest number of Italian immigrants and the Italian culture is still very strong and we are proud of our origin. You are absolutely right about the passivity of the Italian government in increasing the relationship with Brazil and promoting the exchange between young people. The United States, for example, comes annually to São Paulo to promote the universities of that country.
I mean, this comment is AMAZING. I agree with every single word. I am also perfectly aware of the increasing influence of US institutions over Brazil, for example American protestant churches.
Ciao Luca! You said "the second, third, fourth generation..." How far back can the bloodline go, in order for someone to obtain Italian citizenship? Does at least one grandparent or a great-grandparent have to be of Italian origin - or can it go back even further?
Thank you for your comment! According to Italian Ministry of Interior there is no limit in the number of generations, but the relative who immigrated from the country must have died after March 17, 1861, the date of the Unification of Italy. A relative that died before this date is not considered a citizen as Italy was not yet a unified nation. Anyways, it is A LOT of generations! Way too many in my opinion. Do not forget to subscribeyoutube.com/@HowtoItaly-2004?_confirmation=1
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Wow! I did not know that nor could ever even imagine it! I agree, way too many generations! I have 2 more questions for you: Do adopted children qualify? Two of my children are adopted - and Asian, so they certainly don't look Italian:). My other question, which my husband brought up: By obtaining Italian citizenship, does one acquire EU citizenship?
Excellent video, thank you professor. I have already subscribed to the channel. I agree with you. I don't think they should get rid of Ius sanguis, but they could add some other modality to attract new citizens to Italy. About Brazil. With Brazil playing an important role in BRICS, Italy could greatly use this Italian influence in Brazil for itself. And, since I have both nationalities, I intend to immigrate to Italy and honor the idea of the original law. Thank you very much and keep up the great work.
As a British man living in Italy for the past 10 years I obtained my Italian citizenship yesterday. In 2016 the government here stepped outside the 15th. century and made civil unions between same sex partners legal, and thus I got my citizenship by means of civil partnership. I do agree that Italy needs to change its laws regarding citizenship. There are now many immigrant families coming here and working, starting businesses, etc. that it seems absurd to make them wait so long to obtain this basic level of security. However, around where I live the population is largely of pension age, and many of them are distinctly racist so I expect any change will e a long time coming.
Thank you for your comment! I am happy to have some British followers because I have worked with Briton expaths in Italy for many years and in the near future I would love to talk about the relationships between Italy and Uk. I do not know what your area is but, unfortunately, retirees are the vast majority of the population everywhere in Italy. I also have to say that, yes, many people, especially old people, are against the idea that being Italian does not necessary mean having Italian blood. Please subscribe!youtube.com/@HowtoItaly-2004?_confirmation=1
Voglio fare una domanda, se una ragazza dovesse abbandonare un bimbo appena nato in clandestinità (non in ospedale) questa creatura che cittadinanza prenderebbe visto che non si hanno le generalità dei propri genitori? Per me quando un creatura nasce dentro i confini di uno Stato, qualunque esso sia e da qualsiasi Nazionalità abbiano i Suoi genitori, deve acquisire la Nazionalità come diritto assoluto.
Non c'è cosa più sbagliata, questo vorrebbe dire che accetteresti di prendere ogni figlio di illegali anche senza genitore italiano e lo faresti italiano così a caso solo perchè nato qui, che è proprio quello che voleva fare la sinistra poche settimane fa, gente come te è la rovina dell'Italia e del popolo italiano, già di marocchini e africani che non dovrebbero stare qui ne abbiamo troppi figuriamoci se dobbiamo dare la cittadinanza a I loro figli solo perchè nati qui, avete davvero stancato con sto buonismo, esiste la genetica, la cittadinanza è un pezzo di carta che da un titolo immaginario, se dovessimo seguire il tuo modello la nazionalità dei genitori allora non avrebbe più senso ed è sbagliato rimpiazzare la realtà con qualcosa che sta nella tua fantasia solo perchè "secondo te", tu come la gente di sinistra non dovete decidere la natura la natura decide se stessa da sola e se il figlio viene da 2 genitori stranieri allora il figlio è straniero punto, non ci dovrebbe nemmeno essere discussione su questo, se tu e tua moglie/marito siete tutti e 2 italiani e vi trasferite in africa e vostro figlio nasce in africa da voi che siete italiani secondo te vostro figlio sarà africano? Ovvio che no....come fa a nascere un'africano da 2 italiani? Capisci? È semplice ma apparentemente tanta gente buonista di sinistra non c'arriva e rovinate il paese con la vostra fantasia sulle nazionalità, alla genetica non si scappa non è che la decidete voi con la bacchetta magica del mondo delle farfalle dove pensate di vivere
Hello professor. I am second generation Italian American whose paternal grandparents came from Chieti and Ripa Teatina in Abruzzo and maternal grandparents came from Catanzaro and Cosenza in Calabria. My great maternal grandfather went to Brazil in the late 1880’s to work on building roads. Perhaps I am confused but are you now saying that as a US Italian American in the US, Italian Citizenship is not possible for me? If not why not when you state that citizenship passes by blood line to Italians who went to Brazil and their progenitor will qualify for Italian Citizenship even though they have never been to Italy, etc? I know all of my blood relatives who live in Chieti snd several who live in Calabria. Is it that the US Italians are disqualified because they are US citizens? How about qualifying for Italian passports? Is that possible? I was born and raised in South Philadelphia, a diaspora dense with Italians and Italian Americans, still celebrating Italian heritage and culture, education and foods and affiliations such as the Sons of Italy, etc. I have been to Italy many times and can trace my paternal lineage back in Italy to the 1500’s. Your clarification would be respectful appreciated. Sincerely, Joseph.
Dear Joseph, thank you so much for your comment. My point is. Sometimes Italian Americans or Brazilians or whatever have ZERO connections with Italy and can get citizenship much, much easier than people born and raised here to foreign parents. I know that this is not your case, because you have connections with Italy, but it is not always the case.
the law is very complex. For male line of descent the italian must have left Italy after 1861, for female line after 1948. The inhabitants of Veneto and Friuli after 1866 if male, the ones from Venezia Giulia and Trentino Alto Adige after 1919. Anyway no one of these ancestors must have renounced to italian citizenship too
@@avatara6470 hello yes he was. There is a life size statue of him in boxing attire in the town circle. I was raised with that story and went there and saw it. Was also neat to see the houses where my paternal grandparents were born. Tiny and barn like.
Just a correction: the obtention of the citizenship Jus Sanguinis takes many years, more than 10 years usually, for Brazilians. It is not quick as said in the video.
From Lombardy, my own case: I was born in England, but I was raised as an Italian and, when I came to Italy,, I was registered as an Italian citizen in accordance with IUS SANGUINIS and had to do military service. Since then I have had children and grandchildren born in Italy, but some of them have moved to Brazil, as mentioned in a comment to your video, and England. Apart from myself, I have Italo-Chinese friends who speak Italian better than I do, and an adopted Brazilian niece who is in fact an indigenous person (Xerentes do Tocantin), not an Italo-Brazilian. She speaks perfect Italian, but with a Brazilian accent, which sounds “nice”. She has a daughter born in Italy with her Italian husband, so I assume they both have Italian nationality (by marriage and by IUS SANGUINIS). All very complicated as you say.
Buongiorno. Thank you for your great videos. I was born in Italy and lived there till the age of 14 when in 1981 my parents decided to leave Italy for work in Australia. In 1986 I was asked to renounce my Italian citizenship and unfortunately I followed that advice and gained Australian citizenship. My mother and father both born in Italy. My grandparents on both father and mother's side were all born in Italy. I am in my mid 50s now and have been trying to move back to Italy for a number of years. I find it almost impossible for me to re-obtain my Italian citizenship. Last time I talked with the consulate it was suggested that to obtain my Italian citizenship I would need to live in Italy for 12 months then re-apply. I have copies of birth certificates proving my dad, my grandfather and myself were all born in Italy. I admit, it was my fault for renouncing the citizenship but I was too young to understand. I want to return to Italy as an Italian. Any advice or suggestions?
Thank you for your comment from Australia! Let’s see if there is an attorney among my followers who can help you with this specific case. But do not forget to subscribe because I want to make a video about Australia!
Great video, I know Italy needs young people BUT older people with good pensions and nice savings accounts can also help the Italian economy. I am in my 60s and I’m going to retire next year. I have a pension that exceeds $5000 a month, that does not include monthly Social Security of an additional $3000 a month and additionally other savings as well. I have been traveling to Italy for many years, I have friends in Genova and one of my best friends lives in Lerici. I plan to retire in Italy, buy a home, study languages, which is something I’ve always enjoyed, and obviously I will be spending money while I’m living there. None of my grandparents were Italian so I obviously do not qualify for Italian citizenship. I hope that there are changes to the citizenship laws that will allow for retirees to eventually obtain Italian citizenship as well. If someone is living in the country and paying taxes which residents are required to pay taxes in Italy it makes sense that retirees should be able to obtain citizenship as well. Thanks again, great video.
Dear Mark, thank you for your comment. Your situation is completely different. You are a wealthy retiree with money coming from another country. Of course if you decide to come here to Italy you are super welcomed and the economy would benefit from it. This is the way Portugal has been surviving for the last 20 years. Do not forget to subscribe.
Thank you for the video. I just subscribed. Definitely agree there should be a stronger bond between Italian government/Italy and the Italian diaspora. My mom's Italian paternal family hails from Puglia/Apulia before migrating to the United States in the early 20th century. I'm proud to be American, but I don't identify as American in the ethnic sense per se. Rather I identify instead as ethnic Italian (descent)/Italian-American.
New requirements are being proposed for descendants of Italians who wish to obtain Italian citizenship through genealogical reconstruction. The three main requirements are: Being of Italian descent up to the third generation and no further; Having a B1 level Italian language diploma; Residing in Italy for at least one year before applying for citizenship. According to statements made by the government, the new reform aims at implementing rules that recognise and enhance the identity and awareness of Italian-ness.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 great way to discourage investment from Italian descent, I wonder how much income those illegal migrants bring to Italy who you claim to speak Italian but have no DNA or physical features that are Italian. In those countries where the illegal migrants come from, they keep their monolithic race and culture but you want to make an exception in Italy. Italy will no longer be Italy with what you are proposing but a multi-ethnic migrant camp of refugees in the future. Italian Borders shouldn't be discussed they should be defended instead. Rootless and no Identity is the American model called Ius Solis.
Genetic testing showed I was 9% Italian but both of my parents have lengthy genealogies and there are no persons mentioned of likely Italian origin - how can that be?
Do you have any insight into those of us who were born in Italy and emigrated abroad as minors. We became naturalized citizens of our new country but along with still having cultural roots and identify as Italian how do we go about reacquiring our Italian citizenship as a dual citizenship. This addresses in part the idea of supporting Italy and in hopes of living there for an extended period of time. Our children would also benefit and support Italy. Any thoughts on this difficult and challenging process that appears to discriminate those of us actually born in Italy and have Italian blood?
This is an interesting case. For example the Football/soccer club Fiorentina's owner, Rocco Commisso, went to the US from Calabria when he was like 8 years old. So, you are telling me that when you become a naturalized citizen of the US you have to give up the italian citizenship? I would not surprise, because the American Empire is a country of ASSIMILATION, they want to make sure that you are loyal to the US and not to the country you were born in. Subscribe! why undergo the bureaucratic and economic difficulties of obtaining Italian citizenship, if the vast majority don't even come to live in Italy?
@@HowtoItaly-2004This is also my dilemma and that of friends, born in Australia of Italian born parents who (following government encouragement of the day) became naturalised as Australians prior to our birth. Legally therefore , we had “Australian” parents neglecting the fact that our parents had lived in Italy for many years and spoke Italian. I speak Italian and have relatives in Italy but cannot claim citizenship based on the fact my father signed a piece of paper in 1960. Would be great to have this revisited but not sure if this is an Australian or Italian government issue to resolve. I suspect many others are in the same boat. Thanks for your very interesting video, came across it by accident.
The US is jus soli though I think there is a way for children of American citizens who are born abroad even if their parents are not in the military, to also claim citizenship but I am not sure how it works exactly.
My grandmother is Italian from Marche and my dad and mom were never married. My dad was fortunately the declarant on my birth certificate, but if he wasn't my citizenship process would've been much harder and complicated. The Italian law is very archaic, I hate how they really think you're only a LEGIT child if you're parents WERE MARRIED when you were born. It's absolutely archaic and discriminatory. Brazil, where I was born, stopped with the term LEGIT child decades ago. I don't know why Italy still thinks that's appropriate. Also, I'm paying a VERY high cost for this process, the price is ridiculous. I don't know why Italy doesn't use all this money we pay to make this process simpler and faster. I speak Italian, I'm finishing my university and plan to move to Italy because of the love I have for the country, but it's sad how they treat us, often as second class citizens.
@@marcoac-sx6lq Only in the case they don't want to come and stay in Italy. Because in that case they are a cost and not a gain. Above all, we do not need youtubers with only one Italian great-great-grandfather and a family that has always taught them that Italy sucks and that, having obtained the citizenship that the country of their other European ancestors would never have granted, they come here ten days and go in search of what sucks, to get views and clicks, make money and be able to go elsewhere with their Italian passport and the protections guaranteed by this nation towards which they feel disgust. Their ideal country is generally that of most of their ancestors and I don't even have to mention it: it is one of those for which Italy contributed for three decades to its reconstruction, making public debt to give this money to the EU, which distributed it among such disadvantaged countries (gratitude towards Italy by the citizens of those countries: none. In fact, they think we took the money too). We know that not everyone does like these youtubers, but those who do are beginning to be too many and multiply their revulsion among their audience. Neither they nor their audience really know Italy. They enjoy considering it “Third World” or “First World just because it is on the European continent.” Why do we have to pay for them? The controls must be greater. Citizenship should be granted, but it should also be revocable for unworthiness
@@marcoac-sx6lq I disagree because the US, Germany, the UK are full of Italian immigrants and their children often DO NOT speak 1 word of Italian. So you think people who have Italian parents shouldn't have Italian citizenship? Plus, Italy is not a homogeneous country, in the sense that there are many dialects and even German is spoken in some areas. Do those people not deserve their Italian citizenship? Though their ancestors built Italy? Plus, South America, for example, has many communities where Veneto is spoken, not proper Italian. Let's not forget Italian history and the fact Italy has a long history of division between regions. Also, what type of requirement is that to live in Italy to get the citizenship? That's not how jus sanguinis work anywhere in the world, unless you want Italy to be the first exception but it'd be better if Italy just adopted jus Solis instead. What I'm saying is that those requirements aren't demanded anywhere in the EU if you have the right to citizenship by jus sanguinis. Though I speak Italian and think it's important to feel integrated, I don't think that's a smart move. I have a friend I met 5 years ago, he doesn't speak 1 word of Italian despite having an Italian dad who was raised in Rome. This case is extremely common. The reason? Despite Italian being a beautiful language, it's not USEFUL at all. You'll hardly make any use of Italian in London or Berlin. No one really cares about it. I really don't see what your point is. Also, I'd like to add that even countries with jus Solis, language requirement / residence requirements are not demanded. Example: you are eligible for Brazilian citizenship if one of your parents is Brazilian, even if you don't speak the language or live in the country. The same applies to the US, Canada, etc.
I’m convinced that Italy needs Italian descendants to return to Italy, and that a smooth path to citizenship is best to accomplish the need. But can you convince the Ministry of the Interior the way you convinced me? The new Minor case bulletin they put out for consulates, communes and courts to adhere to really derailed the hope of applicants now 😢.
I salute you for wearing a real shirt, unlike so many TH-cam presenters who wear T-shirts. Good show. (Bella figura.) I have one suggestion. I would get rid of the background music. We have to listen carefully to your words, and the music makes you slightly hard to understand. Thank you.
Luca, they have made it very difficult here in the US to get citizenship ( in NY ) first they give you an appointment that takes a year, then you need to pay almost $400 for the privilege of my birth right. They are nothing but Bureaucrats at the embassy. Problem is you can only go to the embassy assigned to you so there is no other choice. I have both parents born in Italy and I speak Italian as my first language. Let me know if it is possible to obtain the citizenship in Italy instead of the embassy here. Most of Us here in the USA feel we are Italians with an American citizenship.
Hello, thank you so much for sharing your experience! I am not a lawyer but I think you should go through the village your family is originally from. I am sorry but I think you are an exception: most Italian Americans are way more American than Italians.
Hi, of course you can get your Italian citizenship in Italy. You can do it in the US as well but with lawyer in Italy. They will do their work with your documents in the Italian court while you're in the US. I'm doing this from Brazil. Beware the cost is high, I'm paying more than 4.000 euros for this process.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 That's not a requirement in any country in the world if your right is linked to jus sanguinis. Also, how do you propose that to happen? You want people going to Italy without a special visa, without citizenship, with no job whatsoever? As a law student, it really baffles me that you think it's that simple, it isn't. The process can take up to 1 year in person in Italy, people have to do it WITHOUT A JOB. That's why most people do it through consulates and via judicial, why? Because it's much cheaper. It isn't cheap to stay in a country for 1 year without a job unless you're rich, which isn't the case for most people including Italians. It's worth noting Italy has one of the highest prevalence of extreme poverty in the EU.
Luca, thank you for convincing me to claim my Italian citizenship. My grandmother came to America and never became a US citizen until after the birth of all five of her children. Therefore the five of them, and all their children and grandchildren have, we might say dormant, Italian citizenship. I spent many years in Italy, off and on, to acquire my advanced biblical degrees (License, 1987; Doctorate, 2010). I was the link who brought other members of my American family to Italy in 1986 and 2010 and introduced them to our Italian relatives. Some of my cousins are already preparing to claim citizenship, and I hope that by doing so myself I can show the way for others to do so as well. Thank you for helping me to understand the process.
Ciao! Come italo brasiliano posso dire che la quantità di brasiliani con cittadinanza italiana vivono o vogliono vivere in Italia! Sono vissuto in Italia ma, per mancanza di lavoro, mi sono trasferito in Inghilterra! Italia non c’è lavoro per tutti.
Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Italy. I looked into Italian citizenship but my grandfather joined or was drafted into the US Army in WW1. The US Army naturalized him which cut the Jur Sanguis line. My personal opinion is Italy should overlook this since Italy and the US were on the same side in WW1. My other option is a 1948 case with the Italian courts going through my grandmother’s line. Before 1948 women were not allowed to pass citizenship to their children. This seems discriminatory to me and I wonder why Italy has not addressed this?
Rather than half measures, the EU at the very least should adopt jus soli and jus sanguinis as two coexisting and universal birthright citizenship rules. If the EU does so, other countries may follow. For now, we have a patchwork.
I agree with you that people born in Italy and go to school there should be able to obtain Italian citizenship more easily. Italy needs more young citizens. I know quite a number of people born overseas who had their Italian citizenship recognized and then moved to Italy, but for young people it was often hard to live and work there. For older people with recognized Italian citizenship it is comfortable to retire there, but unfortunately this doesn't help with the demographic problem. Some remarks on things you said in the video: 1. You can also acquire Italian citizenship at birth by being born in Italy either to unknown parents or to foreign parents who could not pass on their citizenship(s) to the child. 2. Ius sanguinis was not added to Italian law in the late 19th c./early 20th c. but rather had existed in the laws of the predecessor states to Italy and was in the Italian civil code of 1865 (the first new law on nationality after the unification). Ius sanguinis became common in Europe in the Napoleonic era. 3. The law was not written to make it easy to "reacquire" citizenship (although that provision was included, too) but rather made so the children of these immigrants would be Italian citizens at birth and in many cases retain that citizenship when they grew up. 4. There was a big difference between Italian and German citizenship law: Under German citizenship law, citizens residing abroad would lose their German citizenship much more easily (in a variety of ways) than Italian citizens residing abroad. That is why there are far few cases of unrecognized German citizens residing outside Germany, whose ancestors immigrated before WWII, than for Italy. 5. Descendants of Italian immigrants are not applying to "obtain" Italian citizenship. They already are Italian citizens and have been since birth! (It's not just the "spirit" of the law - it is the law. The same article of the same law that made you a citizen from birth also made all those Italians residing abroad citizens, too.) And generally they do not have to wait only a "short" period of time but rather they wait years (and even decades in some South American countries) because so many people who are unrecognized citizens have applied for recognition. 6. More people probably claim citizenship through consulates and embassies in their home countries than in comuni in Italy. 7. Italians residing abroad cannot vote in parliamentary elections of their registered domicile in Italy but rather they vote for deputies and senators who represent only people residing abroad. They can vote for municipal and regional offices in Italy, but they have to actually vote there in person.
Thank you so much for your in-depth comment. I will try to answer come or your points. 1) Of course. 2) That was to specific to be mentioned in the video. 3) We are basically saying the same thing. 4) You are absolutely right. In fact now the IUS SANGUINIS in Germany has been reduced to fathers and mothers. 5) Ok here I have the impression that you just want to correct me because, again, we are saying the same thing. And remember that I am not mother tongue. 6) But consulates still have to go through citi halls. 7) This is not true. Some of the parliamentary seats in Italian elections are reserved for people who vote from abroad. They just send via mail their votes. It is something Italians complain a lot about.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 (7) This is what I said; you misread what I wrote. There are deputies and senators specifically for constituencies of people residing abroad. These people do not vote for the same parliamentarians that ones who reside in Itay do, so it's not like all the Sicilians residing in the US affect the elections for representatives from Sicily. (I vote in these parliamentary elections by mail, to my local embassy in Tokyo.) Under Renzi there was a referendum on reducing the number of parliamentarians that would've reduced our representation even further (we have more people per representative than people residing in Italy), but it did not pass. I also am eligible to vote for mayor, city council, and the regional parliament for the city (and region) where my birth is registered in Italy, but to do that I would have to travel there from Japan. You say, "In fact now the IUS SANGUINIS in Germany has been reduced to fathers and mothers." In fact, ius sanguinis is ALWAYS from one's parent(s), even in Italy. The citizenship reforms in Germany in 2000 were of a different nature. (3) & (5) I want to correct you on the law because you are making a small version of a big mistake that people often make on the subject. Many Italians, in Italy and outside, complain about people abroad "obtaining" Italian citizenship even though they do not have plans to live in Italy and they don't even speak Italian. They ask, why can't they change the law to require Italian language ability for citizenship? or why can't they revoke this law that made them citizens? What they don't realize is that all the people applying for citizenship recognition are in fact already citizens and have been since birth, so one cannot force them to take a language test because newborns don't speak and if you try to make it difficut for them to exercise their rights as citizens, you are discriminaing against people who are legally citizens. Also, the law in question was not some special law in 1992 or a royal decree in 1912 but rather it was the same laws, and same articles of the laws (in 1865, 1912, 1948, 1983, etc.) that make all Italian citizens, citizens from birth, from their parent or parents. (No one is a citizen from birth because of a grandparent or earlier ancestor - citizens born abroad are all citizens because at least one parent legally was.) Trying to reverse this would involve stripping citizenship from people who are already citizens and have done nothing illegal, which is a very dangerous thing for a democracy (the fascists stripped citizenship of their opponents). I think that Italy should introduce the reforms that Germany did in 2000, whereby children born abroad would not automatically be citizens unless one of the German citizen parents had also lived in Germany previously for a certain length of time (the US has similar laws for children born abroad, as does almost every other country). However, this wouldn't change the fact that tens of millions of people around the world are already Italian citizens. If you read the wording of official Italian publications from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of the Interior, you will see that they are very precise in their wording. Citizenship recognition (the process we are discussing) is different from naturalization and is also different from reacquisition. These are 3 different processes.
@@gmalcolms I will answer only yo point 7 because, otherwise, it becomes and endless battle and my english is not good enough. The fact that from abroad you vote for different kinds of deputies, specifically called COLLEGI ELETTORALI ESTERO, does not mean that these people elected are not normal member of the parliament, with all the powers etc. This is the point. These people are absolutely normal MPs who can alter the results of elections and influence law making during their tenure but often (of course this is not your case) they are elected by people who know ZERO about Italy.
@@avatara6470 That would be an idiotic policy that no country in the world has. When people from different countries married their children would be stateless.
The Italian pension system is in deep trouble because of the closed labor market. If young Italians have to leave or cannot afford to have children, this problem cannot be solved by new people coming to Italy with an Italian citizenship. The problems in Italy lay elsewhere. Actually, trying to attract new people in Italy can be a very dangerous move these day. See what is happening in the UK, for instance, who were so eager and swift to give Italian citizenship to anybody!!. We have to be vary careful here.
I completely understand your point but I do not agree completely. An immigration that is not well managed represents a threat for the stability of a community, yes, but at the moment there is no alternative to Italy. Immigration or apocalypse.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 il vero problema in Italia è il sistema fiscale e previdenziale oltre, naturalmente al debito pubblico. E con debito pubblico intendo i soldi che chiediamo in prestito ai governi e alle ditte straniere attraverso i titoli di stato, che poi dobbiamo restituire con gli interessi. Questo genere di debito non contribuisce affatto al benessere dell'Italia, Il Giappone ha un debito pubblico ben superiore al nostro, ma è debito interno che contribuisce alla ricchezza interna e non va all'estero. Con maggiore ricchezza interna, potremo pagare meno tasse, ma soprattutto creare lavoro facendo in modo che i contributi versati da un lavoratore vadano a formare la sua pensione e non quella della generazione precedente alla sua come è ora.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 non tiene perché i giovani che lavorano stanno pagando le pensioni dei loro genitori!! In ogni caso, IMHO il vero motivo della bassa natalità sono le condizioni migliorate dello stato delle donne: ormai non più dipendenti economicamente e psicologicamente dagli uomini riconoscono il valore della loro libertà e autodeterminazione nella gestione del proprio corpo ... e te lo dico da donna. Sono inutili le politiche fatte a tavolino senza ascoltare chi i figli li può fare: le donne.
IUS SANGUINIS is already been weakened in Italy, it should be much more enforced, the government proposal to extend citizenship to immigrants from africa or asia without any italian relatives is nonsense.
In most countries, being born within their borders does not automatically grant citizenship, and this is generally considered a reasonable policy. However, in the United States, citizenship is automatically granted to most individuals born on U.S. soil, with few exceptions. This policy, known as birthright citizenship, has become a subject of growing controversy. There is increasing debate over whether children of individuals who entered the country illegally should be entitled to U.S. citizenship. This issue may face legal challenges in the future as public opinion continues to evolve. I would caution Italy going down the path.of birthright citizenship.
Thank you for you comment! I see your point and I share your concerns about birthright citizenship or IUS SOLI. But I have to say that the only reason why the US is not yet in a demographic catastrophy, is the IUS SOLI. If Italy does not go down that path it is doomed. Unfortunately there is no other way. Subscribe for more content! youtube.com/@HowtoItaly-2004?_confirmation=1
@@HowtoItaly-2004 I would find it challenging to be a student in your class, where only one perspective seems to be accepted, leaving little room for diverse approaches or alternative solutions. This rigid mindset is particularly evident in your stance on immigration. Encouraging the influx of immigrants risks lowering wages, increasing crime rates in cities and towns, and further diluting Italian culture. Historically, Italy has been a country that exported its people rather than imported immigrants. Italians who emigrated abroad worked hard to improve the countries they adopted, often with little to no government assistance-not because they engaged in leisure activities like volleyball. Italy today is very different from the country it was just 20 years ago, and I speak as someone who has lived and worked there.
For some Italian deacendents born outside of Italy is very hard to obtain italian citizenship, but some immigrants who came into Italy( now mostly Europe) can obtain it in an easier manner. I think the laws will eventually change for those who got the IUS Sanguis.
citizenship is fine as it is now, I would make it more difficult and it should not be given to Muslims or people who will never feel Italian, or we will find ourselves with the problems of France and England
I believe Italy show make it a bit easier on 2nd and 3rd generation Italians all over the world to obtain dual citizenship. We need a new generation to grows in Italia especially in southern Italy. For me , both of my parents were Italian and came to the USA and naturalized. My father was a leader in organized crime so I wasn’t going to obtain it through him however, my mother naturalized a year after my birth in the USA thank God and that’s how I obtained my dual citizenship. I believe they should make it easier for Italian like I and 3rd generations so they can go back and put money into the Italian economy. Not only that however, open and grow new businesses in Italia so we can flourish and Italia becomes great again !
For people tracing lineage through a female Italian who gave up citizenship before 1948, it isn't at all easy. I had to go through the Italian courts and it took 3 years and cost over $8,000. I got the citizenship but I know of people who didn't get it despite the cost the paid.
I think you meant to say "female Italian who gave [birth] before 1948", the point being that the 1948 constitution conferred equality of the sexes in passing on their citizenship to their children, and the court cases in effect have applied that retroactively, even if legislation and ministerial decrees have not kept pace.
I am an Italian citizen IUS Sanguinis, who takes his citizenship seriously, and yes, I do speak standard Italian. At university, I studied Italian history, art, culture and politics. I am well versed in current sociological, political and economic problems in Italy. I have lived in Italy in the past, and now visit frequently. I vote In Italian elections through my local consulate.
While I support the proposed referendum, I am disappointed in some Italians who call themselves “real Italians” while considering me a “fake” or “second class citizen” because I was not born in Italy. I, therefore, understand why some IUS sanguinis citizens and others may not be supportive of a change in citizenship laws .
One would think that native born Italians, the so called “”real Italians,” would be proud that IUS sanguinis citizens, after so many generations outside of Italy, still love, value and respect their ancestral homeland, and would accept them with open arms. Viva l’Italia! 🇮🇹
Thank you so much for your comment! I do not doubt that there are people like the ones you are describing in Italy but, in my experience, in general Italians perceived the "ius sanguinis" white people like you way more italian that second generation people who, for example, was born in Italy to african parents. This is the perception of most of the population, especcially old people who, as you know very well if you watched the entire video, is by BY FAR the vast majority of the country.
Hello, Italian here! I am not an elderly person, but the Ius Sangunis, for the majority of Italian people, is synonymous with Italianness, regardless of the place of birth because it represents our genetic heritage. If you come to Italy, you are welcome! 😊
Same.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Your English is very good. This law doesn't apply to any bloodline Italian child born abroad to expatriate italian parents who had both implicitly renounced their own Italian citizenship when they previously acquired a foreign one.
Queste leggi non sono applicabili ai figli di italiani che sono nati all'estero dopo che entrambi i loro genitori hanno implicitamente rinunciato alle loro cittadinanze italiane (quando hanno acquistato la cittadinanza del Paese in cui si sono trasferiti).
I'm in that group.
@@stefaniacascu1323 Not true - they don't view me as an Italian. If you look Italian and you're able to speak Italian without a foreign accent, you're in.
I was born in Manchester U.K and I'm proud of my Italian heritage. I will always be proud of my Grandparents and my Parents for the way they kept our Italian culture. I still feel Italian even tho I was born outside of Italy. Yes I'm British born, but my roots, heritage and DNA will always be Italian with or without a passport. Yes I do have have Italian Citizenship and that was one of the proudest days of my life when I got my Italian Citizenship at age 27 I'm now 62. If you are born in Italy you are no different then me being born in the UK. I automatically got British Citizenship being born in England. That should also apply to those people who have been born in Italy. They will no doubt feel the same way as I do about my Italian heritage they will feel the sameway about their parents heritage. Also I hope they will equally be proud to be Italian and born in Italy too.
Thank you for comment! I am particularly interested in british italians. I have many friends with a story similar to yours and I want to make a video about that!
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Although I am of retirement age, my working and learning days are not yet over. I am a few months away from having all paperwork complete to present to a registrar in Italy. I want to live there and be part of the culture. I have some ancient family history I am going to research as well. Italy will be my home. I can contribute to the economy.
And you and your foreign pension will be very welcomed!. Portugal basically has been surviving this way for decades.
Thank you for this new video. I always learn something new from you, and I didn't know the history of the law(s) granting citizenship via one's bloodline. I have told my friends here in America that Italians effectively *inherit* their citizenship from their parent(s)' blood, and this is surprising to many Americans who assume that birthright citizenship is the norm around the world. When I made the decision to pursue citizenship, the law firm in Italy with which I am working told me that my biological siblings could piggyback on my application since we all share the same bloodline. Mine is a 1948 case, so everything must be done in Italy with a judge. I have 2 sisters that I invited to join me in doing this, and I even told them that I would pay the majority of the cost. However, after thinking about it, they both decided against joining me because they said they couldn't imagine ever moving to Italy. Since it is a lot of work and a considerable expense to obtain all of the vital records one needs to complete the Jure Sanguinis process, I always assumed that most people did it with a desire to one day live in Italy rather than to just receive the recognition from the Italian government. You are probably correct when you say that the vast majority of newly recognized citizens from the Italian diaspora never leave their country of birth, but it does seem foolish to hunt down all of those vital records and spend the money necessary to complete the process if you are simply going to acquire an Italian passport as if it were a cultural trophy. There might be other personal or sentimental reasons for wanting to obtain dual citizenship, but it is a long and challenging process. I've been at it for almost three years (with help from the firm), and I don't expect to finish until sometime in the second half of next year. It's also worth mentioning that if you are recognized as an Italian citizen and go on vacation to Italy, it's not like the citizenship or Italian passport will open doors for you as a tourist, or grant you immediate access to the healthcare system there. Most of the benefits of Italian citizenship only come with residency. By the way, the population collapse problem you mentioned is a global one. Elon Musk has been sounding the alarm about it for years, but I haven't heard too many others do the same. Grazie per un altro video eccellente.
Dear Lee, thank you so much for this thorough comment. You made a very good point.why undergo the bureaucratic and economic difficulties of obtaining Italian citizenship, if the vast majority don't even come to live in Italy?
There are two major reasons, that I did non have the time to explore during the video.
1) Italian Passport is the third most accepted in the world. You can literally go everywhere. Everyone wants one if available, especially if you come from countries that have much weaker passports. And you do not need to live here to have the passport.
2)Healthcare, especially in Northern Italy: many brazilians with Italian citizenship can come here and have the excellent healthcare of the Veneto region.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Dear Luca,
1 - would you mind sharing the evidence you have that brazilians are using italian healthcare?
2 - it is way more expensive and time consuming to go through the process of having the italian citizenship recognized than it is to get an american visa - a visa that is valid for 10 years, and brazilians don't need a visa to enter and stay in europe for up to 90 days, why do you think people go through the trouble?
@@BepiScuria 1) the president of Veneto Region said so in a very interesting interview.
2) US is not the only country with which is good to have the Italian Passport.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Well, i don't normally believe in politicians. I would have to see real evidence to believe that.
Jus Sanguinis law has protected Italians from foreign upheaval. My mother migrated to Australia in 1961. No problems so far. Her brother migrated in the 1950s to a country that no longer exists, Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. After the insurgency (Bush War) into the 1970s they were forced to leave. Returning to Italy was a simple transition that would have been complicated had his 3 Rhodesian/Zimbabwen born children not had automatic Italian citizenship. Also over 250 thousand Italians were expelled from North Africa after WW2 and many of the (Pied Noirs) born in Algeria were of Italian heritage and also expelled in the 1960s. My father's brother migrated to Venezuela in the 1950s. I'm sure many Venezuelans of of Italian origin would thank God that they have the opportunity to return back to Italy. I believe anybody born and studying in Italy should have automatic citizenship just like Australia.
This story is super interesting, really! It would deserve a video!.
I do not know what whether is better for a country to die with a foreign upheaval of just because everyone is old and dieying my friend.
I did not know what IUS SANGUINIS was! Thank you so much!
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I have to say that your english is quite good. I know this from the fact that im sitting behind you. Ciao!
It is not that good but I really do my best
Don't worry, it's fine. Just work on some minor issues and you'll be good to go.
@@coober215 thank you for the trust
This was fascinating, thankyou
Thank you for the comment!
To put it in perspective, it is estimated that there are between 30 and 35 million descendants of Italians in Brazil and the population of Italy is around 60 million people. The city of São Paulo is home to the largest number of Italian immigrants and the Italian culture is still very strong and we are proud of our origin. You are absolutely right about the passivity of the Italian government in increasing the relationship with Brazil and promoting the exchange between young people. The United States, for example, comes annually to São Paulo to promote the universities of that country.
I mean, this comment is AMAZING. I agree with every single word. I am also perfectly aware of the increasing influence of US institutions over Brazil, for example American protestant churches.
@@HowtoItaly-2004no, those “Protestant” churches are local Brazilian inventions, they have very little influence from the USA.
@@flavioc5389 I was told implicit american influence is very strong
@eliasfirmino thank you Elisa. This is EXACTLY what i learned recently about American influence in Brazil. Great explenation.
@eliasfirmino the US is not the panacea we were told it was. Sincerely, displaced in the US.
Ciao Luca! You said "the second, third, fourth generation..." How far back can the bloodline go, in order for someone to obtain Italian citizenship? Does at least one grandparent or a great-grandparent have to be of Italian origin - or can it go back even further?
Thank you for your comment!
According to Italian Ministry of Interior there is no limit in the number of generations, but the relative who immigrated from the country must have died after March 17, 1861, the date of the Unification of Italy. A relative that died before this date is not considered a citizen as Italy was not yet a unified nation. Anyways, it is A LOT of generations! Way too many in my opinion.
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@@HowtoItaly-2004 Wow! I did not know that nor could ever even imagine it! I agree, way too many generations! I have 2 more questions for you: Do adopted children qualify? Two of my children are adopted - and Asian, so they certainly don't look Italian:). My other question, which my husband brought up: By obtaining Italian citizenship, does one acquire EU citizenship?
You can also request Italian citizenship at the Italian consulates in other countries, if you qualify.
Yes, and you do not need to set a foot in Italy
Excellent video, thank you professor. I have already subscribed to the channel. I agree with you. I don't think they should get rid of Ius sanguis, but they could add some other modality to attract new citizens to Italy. About Brazil. With Brazil playing an important role in BRICS, Italy could greatly use this Italian influence in Brazil for itself. And, since I have both nationalities, I intend to immigrate to Italy and honor the idea of the original law. Thank you very much and keep up the great work.
Thank you so much for this amazing comment!
Could you make a video with the pros and cons of obtaining Italian citizenship?
I will, thank you for the suggestion!
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Prego e grazie!
As a British man living in Italy for the past 10 years I obtained my Italian citizenship yesterday. In 2016 the government here stepped outside the 15th. century and made civil unions between same sex partners legal, and thus I got my citizenship by means of civil partnership. I do agree that Italy needs to change its laws regarding citizenship. There are now many immigrant families coming here and working, starting businesses, etc. that it seems absurd to make them wait so long to obtain this basic level of security. However, around where I live the population is largely of pension age, and many of them are distinctly racist so I expect any change will e a long time coming.
Thank you for your comment! I am happy to have some British followers because I have worked with Briton expaths in Italy for many years and in the near future I would love to talk about the relationships between Italy and Uk.
I do not know what your area is but, unfortunately, retirees are the vast majority of the population everywhere in Italy.
I also have to say that, yes, many people, especially old people, are against the idea that being Italian does not necessary mean having Italian blood.
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Voglio fare una domanda, se una ragazza dovesse abbandonare un bimbo appena nato in clandestinità (non in ospedale) questa creatura che cittadinanza prenderebbe visto che non si hanno le generalità dei propri genitori? Per me quando un creatura nasce dentro i confini di uno Stato, qualunque esso sia e da qualsiasi Nazionalità abbiano i Suoi genitori, deve acquisire la Nazionalità come diritto assoluto.
Questa è una bella domanda. Mi devo documentare
Non c'è cosa più sbagliata, questo vorrebbe dire che accetteresti di prendere ogni figlio di illegali anche senza genitore italiano e lo faresti italiano così a caso solo perchè nato qui, che è proprio quello che voleva fare la sinistra poche settimane fa, gente come te è la rovina dell'Italia e del popolo italiano, già di marocchini e africani che non dovrebbero stare qui ne abbiamo troppi figuriamoci se dobbiamo dare la cittadinanza a I loro figli solo perchè nati qui, avete davvero stancato con sto buonismo, esiste la genetica, la cittadinanza è un pezzo di carta che da un titolo immaginario, se dovessimo seguire il tuo modello la nazionalità dei genitori allora non avrebbe più senso ed è sbagliato rimpiazzare la realtà con qualcosa che sta nella tua fantasia solo perchè "secondo te", tu come la gente di sinistra non dovete decidere la natura la natura decide se stessa da sola e se il figlio viene da 2 genitori stranieri allora il figlio è straniero punto, non ci dovrebbe nemmeno essere discussione su questo, se tu e tua moglie/marito siete tutti e 2 italiani e vi trasferite in africa e vostro figlio nasce in africa da voi che siete italiani secondo te vostro figlio sarà africano? Ovvio che no....come fa a nascere un'africano da 2 italiani? Capisci? È semplice ma apparentemente tanta gente buonista di sinistra non c'arriva e rovinate il paese con la vostra fantasia sulle nazionalità, alla genetica non si scappa non è che la decidete voi con la bacchetta magica del mondo delle farfalle dove pensate di vivere
Hello professor. I am second generation Italian American whose paternal grandparents came from Chieti and Ripa Teatina in Abruzzo and maternal grandparents came from Catanzaro and Cosenza in Calabria. My great maternal grandfather went to Brazil in the late 1880’s to work on building roads.
Perhaps I am confused but are you now saying that as a US Italian American in the US, Italian Citizenship is not possible for me? If not why not when you state that citizenship passes by blood line to Italians who went to Brazil and their progenitor will qualify for Italian Citizenship even though they have never been to Italy, etc? I know all of my blood relatives who live in Chieti snd several who live in Calabria. Is it that the US Italians are disqualified because they are US citizens? How about qualifying for Italian passports? Is that possible?
I was born and raised in South Philadelphia, a diaspora dense with Italians and Italian Americans, still celebrating Italian heritage and culture, education and foods and affiliations such as the Sons of Italy, etc. I have been to Italy many times and can trace my paternal lineage back in Italy to the 1500’s.
Your clarification would be respectful appreciated. Sincerely, Joseph.
Dear Joseph, thank you so much for your comment.
My point is. Sometimes Italian Americans or Brazilians or whatever have ZERO connections with Italy and can get citizenship much, much easier than people born and raised here to foreign parents.
I know that this is not your case, because you have connections with Italy, but it is not always the case.
the law is very complex. For male line of descent the italian must have left Italy after 1861, for female line after 1948. The inhabitants of Veneto and Friuli after 1866 if male, the ones from Venezia Giulia and Trentino Alto Adige after 1919. Anyway no one of these ancestors must have renounced to italian citizenship too
@@HowtoItaly-2004 To know exactly your situation, you must collect documentation about the ancestors and go to nearest italian consulate
Ripa is where Rocky Marciano also was born
@@avatara6470 hello yes he was. There is a life size statue of him in boxing attire in the town circle. I was raised with that story and went there and saw it. Was also neat to see the houses where my paternal grandparents were born. Tiny and barn like.
Just a correction: the obtention of the citizenship Jus Sanguinis takes many years, more than 10 years usually, for Brazilians. It is not quick as said in the video.
You are right. What I wanted to mean was, in general: better having IUS SANGUINIS than not. If you do not have Italian blood it is a nightmare
really interesting!
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It’s right! Italia needs both Italian descendants around the world and the children of immigrants that arrived in Italia!
In an ideal world, yes
From Lombardy, my own case: I was born in England, but I was raised as an Italian and, when I came to Italy,, I was registered as an Italian citizen in accordance with IUS SANGUINIS and had to do military service. Since then I have had children and grandchildren born in Italy, but some of them have moved to Brazil, as mentioned in a comment to your video, and England. Apart from myself, I have Italo-Chinese friends who speak Italian better than I do, and an adopted Brazilian niece who is in fact an indigenous person (Xerentes do Tocantin), not an Italo-Brazilian. She speaks perfect Italian, but with a Brazilian accent, which sounds “nice”. She has a daughter born in Italy with her Italian husband, so I assume they both have Italian nationality (by marriage and by IUS SANGUINIS). All very complicated as you say.
Very complicated! Thanks for sharing your family story!
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Grazie Professore, anche a nome di Y. L. (italo-cinese) e K.C. (italo-brasiliana).
@@FrancescoRossi-q4sgrazie a voi!
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Buongiorno. Thank you for your great videos.
I was born in Italy and lived there till the age of 14 when in 1981 my parents decided to leave Italy for work in Australia.
In 1986 I was asked to renounce my Italian citizenship and unfortunately I followed that advice and gained Australian citizenship.
My mother and father both born in Italy. My grandparents on both father and mother's side were all born in Italy.
I am in my mid 50s now and have been trying to move back to Italy for a number of years. I find it almost impossible for me to re-obtain my Italian citizenship.
Last time I talked with the consulate it was suggested that to obtain my Italian citizenship I would need to live in Italy for 12 months then re-apply.
I have copies of birth certificates proving my dad, my grandfather and myself were all born in Italy.
I admit, it was my fault for renouncing the citizenship but I was too young to understand.
I want to return to Italy as an Italian. Any advice or suggestions?
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Great video, I know Italy needs young people BUT older people with good pensions and nice savings accounts can also help the Italian economy. I am in my 60s and I’m going to retire next year. I have a pension that exceeds $5000 a month, that does not include monthly Social Security of an additional $3000 a month and additionally other savings as well. I have been traveling to Italy for many years, I have friends in Genova and one of my best friends lives in Lerici. I plan to retire in Italy, buy a home, study languages, which is something I’ve always enjoyed, and obviously I will be spending money while I’m living there. None of my grandparents were Italian so I obviously do not qualify for Italian citizenship. I hope that there are changes to the citizenship laws that will allow for retirees to eventually obtain Italian citizenship as well. If someone is living in the country and paying taxes which residents are required to pay taxes in Italy it makes sense that retirees should be able to obtain citizenship as well. Thanks again, great video.
Dear Mark, thank you for your comment.
Your situation is completely different. You are a wealthy retiree with money coming from another country. Of course if you decide to come here to Italy you are super welcomed and the economy would benefit from it.
This is the way Portugal has been surviving for the last 20 years.
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Thank you for the video. I just subscribed. Definitely agree there should be a stronger bond between Italian government/Italy and the Italian diaspora. My mom's Italian paternal family hails from Puglia/Apulia before migrating to the United States in the early 20th century. I'm proud to be American, but I don't identify as American in the ethnic sense per se. Rather I identify instead as ethnic Italian (descent)/Italian-American.
Thank you for your subscription! It means a lot! I think your feelings are common yo many Italianamericans
Io sono italo americana con la doppia cittidinanza e mo vivo a Roma. I miei amici romani mi dicono che parlo l'italiano molto bene.
e lo scrivi molto bene!
@@HowtoItaly-2004 grazie. 😊
Does Italy allow dual citizenship (like Canada does) or do you have to give up your current citizenship to obtain Italian citizenship? ✌️❤️🙏
It does allow dual citizenship
New requirements are being proposed for descendants of Italians who wish to obtain Italian citizenship through genealogical reconstruction. The three main requirements are:
Being of Italian descent up to the third generation and no further;
Having a B1 level Italian language diploma;
Residing in Italy for at least one year before applying for citizenship.
According to statements made by the government, the new reform aims at implementing rules that recognise and enhance the identity and awareness of Italian-ness.
I Hope the do as they say
@@HowtoItaly-2004 great way to discourage investment from Italian descent, I wonder how much income those illegal migrants bring to Italy who you claim to speak Italian but have no DNA or physical features that are Italian. In those countries where the illegal migrants come from, they keep their monolithic race and culture but you want to make an exception in Italy. Italy will no longer be Italy with what you are proposing but a multi-ethnic migrant camp of refugees in the future. Italian Borders shouldn't be discussed they should be defended instead.
Rootless and no Identity is the American model called Ius Solis.
Genetic testing showed I was 9% Italian but both of my parents have lengthy genealogies and there are no persons mentioned of likely Italian origin - how can that be?
Because those genetic testings Sto arrivando crap.
Do you have any insight into those of us who were born in Italy and emigrated abroad as minors. We became naturalized citizens of our new country but along with still having cultural roots and identify as Italian how do we go about reacquiring our Italian citizenship as a dual citizenship. This addresses in part the idea of supporting Italy and in hopes of living there for an extended period of time. Our children would also benefit and support Italy. Any thoughts on this difficult and challenging process that appears to discriminate those of us actually born in Italy and have Italian blood?
This is an interesting case. For example the Football/soccer club Fiorentina's owner, Rocco Commisso, went to the US from Calabria when he was like 8 years old. So, you are telling me that when you become a naturalized citizen of the US you have to give up the italian citizenship?
I would not surprise, because the American Empire is a country of ASSIMILATION, they want to make sure that you are loyal to the US and not to the country you were born in.
Subscribe! why undergo the bureaucratic and economic difficulties of obtaining Italian citizenship, if the vast majority don't even come to live in Italy?
@@HowtoItaly-2004This is also my dilemma and that of friends, born in Australia of Italian born parents who (following government encouragement of the day) became naturalised as Australians prior to our birth. Legally therefore , we had “Australian” parents neglecting the fact that our parents had lived in Italy for many years and spoke Italian. I speak Italian and have relatives in Italy but cannot claim citizenship based on the fact my father signed a piece of paper in 1960. Would be great to have this revisited but not sure if this is an Australian or Italian government issue to resolve. I suspect many others are in the same boat. Thanks for your very interesting video, came across it by accident.
@@Silviaf22 Have you tried to speak to a lawyer specialized in this field? Subscribe, because maybe you will find more interesting stuff.
The US is jus soli though I think there is a way for children of American citizens who are born abroad even if their parents are not in the military, to also claim citizenship but I am not sure how it works exactly.
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My grandmother is Italian from Marche and my dad and mom were never married. My dad was fortunately the declarant on my birth certificate, but if he wasn't my citizenship process would've been much harder and complicated. The Italian law is very archaic, I hate how they really think you're only a LEGIT child if you're parents WERE MARRIED when you were born. It's absolutely archaic and discriminatory. Brazil, where I was born, stopped with the term LEGIT child decades ago. I don't know why Italy still thinks that's appropriate. Also, I'm paying a VERY high cost for this process, the price is ridiculous. I don't know why Italy doesn't use all this money we pay to make this process simpler and faster. I speak Italian, I'm finishing my university and plan to move to Italy because of the love I have for the country, but it's sad how they treat us, often as second class citizens.
I completely agree with you that the marriage aspect is ridicolous. It is tipical of Italy to change things too late.
What's really absurd is that Italy gives the citizenship to people who don't know a word in Italian and have never been in Italy.
@@marcoac-sx6lq exactly.
@@marcoac-sx6lq Only in the case they don't want to come and stay in Italy. Because in that case they are a cost and not a gain. Above all, we do not need youtubers with only one Italian great-great-grandfather and a family that has always taught them that Italy sucks and that, having obtained the citizenship that the country of their other European ancestors would never have granted, they come here ten days and go in search of what sucks, to get views and clicks, make money and be able to go elsewhere with their Italian passport and the protections guaranteed by this nation towards which they feel disgust. Their ideal country is generally that of most of their ancestors and I don't even have to mention it: it is one of those for which Italy contributed for three decades to its reconstruction, making public debt to give this money to the EU, which distributed it among such disadvantaged countries (gratitude towards Italy by the citizens of those countries: none. In fact, they think we took the money too). We know that not everyone does like these youtubers, but those who do are beginning to be too many and multiply their revulsion among their audience. Neither they nor their audience really know Italy. They enjoy considering it “Third World” or “First World just because it is on the European continent.” Why do we have to pay for them? The controls must be greater. Citizenship should be granted, but it should also be revocable for unworthiness
@@marcoac-sx6lq I disagree because the US, Germany, the UK are full of Italian immigrants and their children often DO NOT speak 1 word of Italian. So you think people who have Italian parents shouldn't have Italian citizenship? Plus, Italy is not a homogeneous country, in the sense that there are many dialects and even German is spoken in some areas. Do those people not deserve their Italian citizenship? Though their ancestors built Italy? Plus, South America, for example, has many communities where Veneto is spoken, not proper Italian. Let's not forget Italian history and the fact Italy has a long history of division between regions. Also, what type of requirement is that to live in Italy to get the citizenship? That's not how jus sanguinis work anywhere in the world, unless you want Italy to be the first exception but it'd be better if Italy just adopted jus Solis instead.
What I'm saying is that those requirements aren't demanded anywhere in the EU if you have the right to citizenship by jus sanguinis. Though I speak Italian and think it's important to feel integrated, I don't think that's a smart move. I have a friend I met 5 years ago, he doesn't speak 1 word of Italian despite having an Italian dad who was raised in Rome. This case is extremely common. The reason? Despite Italian being a beautiful language, it's not USEFUL at all. You'll hardly make any use of Italian in London or Berlin. No one really cares about it. I really don't see what your point is. Also, I'd like to add that even countries with jus Solis, language requirement / residence requirements are not demanded. Example: you are eligible for Brazilian citizenship if one of your parents is Brazilian, even if you don't speak the language or live in the country. The same applies to the US, Canada, etc.
I’m convinced that Italy needs Italian descendants to return to Italy, and that a smooth path to citizenship is best to accomplish the need. But can you convince the Ministry of the Interior the way you convinced me? The new Minor case bulletin they put out for consulates, communes and courts to adhere to really derailed the hope of applicants now 😢.
Yes I know
I salute you for wearing a real shirt, unlike so many TH-cam presenters who wear T-shirts. Good show. (Bella figura.)
I have one suggestion. I would get rid of the background music. We have to listen carefully to your words, and the music makes you slightly hard to understand. Thank you.
Thank you so much for the comment and the suggestion!
South of Brazil is all Italia! They have Built everything 😮 Anita Garibaldi her wife has fought for Itália reunification .
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Can you talk more about how to become a resident of Italy?
What would be the process? How long and requirements?
I think a did. Do you have Italian blood?
to be resident is very easy, different to request a citizenship.
Luca, they have made it very difficult here in the US to get citizenship ( in NY ) first they give you an appointment that takes a year, then you need to pay almost $400 for the privilege of my birth right. They are nothing but Bureaucrats at the embassy. Problem is you can only go to the embassy assigned to you so there is no other choice. I have both parents born in Italy and I speak Italian as my first language. Let me know if it is possible to obtain the citizenship in Italy instead of the embassy here. Most of Us here in the USA feel we are Italians with an American citizenship.
Hello, thank you so much for sharing your experience!
I am not a lawyer but I think you should go through the village your family is originally from.
I am sorry but I think you are an exception: most Italian Americans are way more American than Italians.
Hi, of course you can get your Italian citizenship in Italy. You can do it in the US as well but with lawyer in Italy. They will do their work with your documents in the Italian court while you're in the US. I'm doing this from Brazil. Beware the cost is high, I'm paying more than 4.000 euros for this process.
@@gabolifavmc and I do not think is fare that you can do the whole process without coming to Italy ONCE. Uncacceptable.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 That's not a requirement in any country in the world if your right is linked to jus sanguinis. Also, how do you propose that to happen? You want people going to Italy without a special visa, without citizenship, with no job whatsoever? As a law student, it really baffles me that you think it's that simple, it isn't. The process can take up to 1 year in person in Italy, people have to do it WITHOUT A JOB. That's why most people do it through consulates and via judicial, why? Because it's much cheaper. It isn't cheap to stay in a country for 1 year without a job unless you're rich, which isn't the case for most people including Italians. It's worth noting Italy has one of the highest prevalence of extreme poverty in the EU.
Also. Embassy in NYC is no longer taking appointments.
Luca, thank you for convincing me to claim my Italian citizenship. My grandmother came to America and never became a US citizen until after the birth of all five of her children. Therefore the five of them, and all their children and grandchildren have, we might say dormant, Italian citizenship.
I spent many years in Italy, off and on, to acquire my advanced biblical degrees (License, 1987; Doctorate, 2010). I was the link who brought other members of my American family to Italy in 1986 and 2010 and introduced them to our Italian relatives. Some of my cousins are already preparing to claim citizenship, and I hope that by doing so myself I can show the way for others to do so as well.
Thank you for helping me to understand the process.
I am glad the video was helpful!
Ciao! Come italo brasiliano posso dire che la quantità di brasiliani con cittadinanza italiana vivono o vogliono vivere in Italia! Sono vissuto in Italia ma, per mancanza di lavoro, mi sono trasferito in Inghilterra! Italia non c’è lavoro per tutti.
Ciao, grazie per il commento. In realtà adesso in Italia il tasso di disoccupazione è bassissimo. Però spesso i lavoratori non sono pagati molto.
Both of my paternal grandparents were born in Italy. I looked into Italian citizenship but my grandfather joined or was drafted into the US Army in WW1. The US Army naturalized him which cut the Jur Sanguis line. My personal opinion is Italy should overlook this since Italy and the US were on the same side in WW1.
My other option is a 1948 case with the Italian courts going through my grandmother’s line. Before 1948 women were not allowed to pass citizenship to their children. This seems discriminatory to me and I wonder why Italy has not addressed this?
Because Italians have problems addressing things in general, unfortunately.
Rather than half measures, the EU at the very least should adopt jus soli and jus sanguinis as two coexisting and universal birthright citizenship rules. If the EU does so, other countries may follow. For now, we have a patchwork.
I agree
IUS SOLI with the immigrant crisis we have can only create more problems
You talk more about Brazil and Argentina. In the USA being from Italian decent is more important than you realize !!
I think it depends. For some Italian americans it is incredibly important as you say, others do not even know their lastnames are italian.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 Depends on the circles you travel
I agree with you that people born in Italy and go to school there should be able to obtain Italian citizenship more easily. Italy needs more young citizens. I know quite a number of people born overseas who had their Italian citizenship recognized and then moved to Italy, but for young people it was often hard to live and work there. For older people with recognized Italian citizenship it is comfortable to retire there, but unfortunately this doesn't help with the demographic problem.
Some remarks on things you said in the video:
1. You can also acquire Italian citizenship at birth by being born in Italy either to unknown parents or to foreign parents who could not pass on their citizenship(s) to the child.
2. Ius sanguinis was not added to Italian law in the late 19th c./early 20th c. but rather had existed in the laws of the predecessor states to Italy and was in the Italian civil code of 1865 (the first new law on nationality after the unification). Ius sanguinis became common in Europe in the Napoleonic era.
3. The law was not written to make it easy to "reacquire" citizenship (although that provision was included, too) but rather made so the children of these immigrants would be Italian citizens at birth and in many cases retain that citizenship when they grew up.
4. There was a big difference between Italian and German citizenship law: Under German citizenship law, citizens residing abroad would lose their German citizenship much more easily (in a variety of ways) than Italian citizens residing abroad. That is why there are far few cases of unrecognized German citizens residing outside Germany, whose ancestors immigrated before WWII, than for Italy.
5. Descendants of Italian immigrants are not applying to "obtain" Italian citizenship. They already are Italian citizens and have been since birth! (It's not just the "spirit" of the law - it is the law. The same article of the same law that made you a citizen from birth also made all those Italians residing abroad citizens, too.) And generally they do not have to wait only a "short" period of time but rather they wait years (and even decades in some South American countries) because so many people who are unrecognized citizens have applied for recognition.
6. More people probably claim citizenship through consulates and embassies in their home countries than in comuni in Italy.
7. Italians residing abroad cannot vote in parliamentary elections of their registered domicile in Italy but rather they vote for deputies and senators who represent only people residing abroad. They can vote for municipal and regional offices in Italy, but they have to actually vote there in person.
Thank you so much for your in-depth comment. I will try to answer come or your points.
1) Of course.
2) That was to specific to be mentioned in the video.
3) We are basically saying the same thing.
4) You are absolutely right. In fact now the IUS SANGUINIS in Germany has been reduced to fathers and mothers.
5) Ok here I have the impression that you just want to correct me because, again, we are saying the same thing. And remember that I am not mother tongue.
6) But consulates still have to go through citi halls.
7) This is not true. Some of the parliamentary seats in Italian elections are reserved for people who vote from abroad. They just send via mail their votes. It is something Italians complain a lot about.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 (7) This is what I said; you misread what I wrote. There are deputies and senators specifically for constituencies of people residing abroad. These people do not vote for the same parliamentarians that ones who reside in Itay do, so it's not like all the Sicilians residing in the US affect the elections for representatives from Sicily. (I vote in these parliamentary elections by mail, to my local embassy in Tokyo.) Under Renzi there was a referendum on reducing the number of parliamentarians that would've reduced our representation even further (we have more people per representative than people residing in Italy), but it did not pass. I also am eligible to vote for mayor, city council, and the regional parliament for the city (and region) where my birth is registered in Italy, but to do that I would have to travel there from Japan.
You say, "In fact now the IUS SANGUINIS in Germany has been reduced to fathers and mothers." In fact, ius sanguinis is ALWAYS from one's parent(s), even in Italy. The citizenship reforms in Germany in 2000 were of a different nature.
(3) & (5) I want to correct you on the law because you are making a small version of a big mistake that people often make on the subject. Many Italians, in Italy and outside, complain about people abroad "obtaining" Italian citizenship even though they do not have plans to live in Italy and they don't even speak Italian. They ask, why can't they change the law to require Italian language ability for citizenship? or why can't they revoke this law that made them citizens? What they don't realize is that all the people applying for citizenship recognition are in fact already citizens and have been since birth, so one cannot force them to take a language test because newborns don't speak and if you try to make it difficut for them to exercise their rights as citizens, you are discriminaing against people who are legally citizens. Also, the law in question was not some special law in 1992 or a royal decree in 1912 but rather it was the same laws, and same articles of the laws (in 1865, 1912, 1948, 1983, etc.) that make all Italian citizens, citizens from birth, from their parent or parents. (No one is a citizen from birth because of a grandparent or earlier ancestor - citizens born abroad are all citizens because at least one parent legally was.) Trying to reverse this would involve stripping citizenship from people who are already citizens and have done nothing illegal, which is a very dangerous thing for a democracy (the fascists stripped citizenship of their opponents). I think that Italy should introduce the reforms that Germany did in 2000, whereby children born abroad would not automatically be citizens unless one of the German citizen parents had also lived in Germany previously for a certain length of time (the US has similar laws for children born abroad, as does almost every other country). However, this wouldn't change the fact that tens of millions of people around the world are already Italian citizens.
If you read the wording of official Italian publications from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs or the Ministry of the Interior, you will see that they are very precise in their wording. Citizenship recognition (the process we are discussing) is different from naturalization and is also different from reacquisition. These are 3 different processes.
@@gmalcolms I will answer only yo point 7 because, otherwise, it becomes and endless battle and my english is not good enough.
The fact that from abroad you vote for different kinds of deputies, specifically called COLLEGI ELETTORALI ESTERO, does not mean that these people elected are not normal member of the parliament, with all the powers etc.
This is the point. These people are absolutely normal MPs who can alter the results of elections and influence law making during their tenure but often (of course this is not your case) they are elected by people who know ZERO about Italy.
No, unless their parents are both italians by blood they should not to be allowed citizenship anyway.
@@avatara6470 That would be an idiotic policy that no country in the world has. When people from different countries married their children would be stateless.
An Italian passport gives one access to the EU -- I get it now.
It does
@@HowtoItaly-2004 They are exploiting your government.
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As a already said in the last video: This law is ridiculous and should be either abolished or limited. Excellent video as always Professor Coniglio.
Thank you so much
You should run for President…
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The Italian pension system is in deep trouble because of the closed labor market. If young Italians have to leave or cannot afford to have children, this problem cannot be solved by new people coming to Italy with an Italian citizenship. The problems in Italy lay elsewhere. Actually, trying to attract new people in Italy can be a very dangerous move these day. See what is happening in the UK, for instance, who were so eager and swift to give Italian citizenship to anybody!!. We have to be vary careful here.
I completely understand your point but I do not agree completely. An immigration that is not well managed represents a threat for the stability of a community, yes, but at the moment there is no alternative to Italy. Immigration or apocalypse.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 il vero problema in Italia è il sistema fiscale e previdenziale oltre, naturalmente al debito pubblico. E con debito pubblico intendo i soldi che chiediamo in prestito ai governi e alle ditte straniere attraverso i titoli di stato, che poi dobbiamo restituire con gli interessi. Questo genere di debito non contribuisce affatto al benessere dell'Italia, Il Giappone ha un debito pubblico ben superiore al nostro, ma è debito interno che contribuisce alla ricchezza interna e non va all'estero.
Con maggiore ricchezza interna, potremo pagare meno tasse, ma soprattutto creare lavoro facendo in modo che i contributi versati da un lavoratore vadano a formare la sua pensione e non quella della generazione precedente alla sua come è ora.
@@yeshetsogyalling il giappone, come noi, ha un tasso di natalità bassissimo e senza giovani non c’e riforma pensionistica che possa tenere.
@@HowtoItaly-2004 non tiene perché i giovani che lavorano stanno pagando le pensioni dei loro genitori!!
In ogni caso, IMHO il vero motivo della bassa natalità sono le condizioni migliorate dello stato delle donne: ormai non più dipendenti economicamente e psicologicamente dagli uomini riconoscono il valore della loro libertà e autodeterminazione nella gestione del proprio corpo ... e te lo dico da donna. Sono inutili le politiche fatte a tavolino senza ascoltare chi i figli li può fare: le donne.
IUS SANGUINIS is already been weakened in Italy, it should be much more enforced, the government proposal to extend citizenship to immigrants from africa or asia without any italian relatives is nonsense.
Thanks for your comment, but I strongly disagree.
In most countries, being born within their borders does not automatically grant citizenship, and this is generally considered a reasonable policy. However, in the United States, citizenship is automatically granted to most individuals born on U.S. soil, with few exceptions. This policy, known as birthright citizenship, has become a subject of growing controversy. There is increasing debate over whether children of individuals who entered the country illegally should be entitled to U.S. citizenship. This issue may face legal challenges in the future as public opinion continues to evolve. I would caution Italy going down the path.of birthright citizenship.
Thank you for you comment! I see your point and I share your concerns about birthright citizenship or IUS SOLI. But I have to say that the only reason why the US is not yet in a demographic catastrophy, is the IUS SOLI. If Italy does not go down that path it is doomed. Unfortunately there is no other way.
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@@HowtoItaly-2004 I would find it challenging to be a student in your class, where only one perspective seems to be accepted, leaving little room for diverse approaches or alternative solutions. This rigid mindset is particularly evident in your stance on immigration. Encouraging the influx of immigrants risks lowering wages, increasing crime rates in cities and towns, and further diluting Italian culture.
Historically, Italy has been a country that exported its people rather than imported immigrants. Italians who emigrated abroad worked hard to improve the countries they adopted, often with little to no government assistance-not because they engaged in leisure activities like volleyball. Italy today is very different from the country it was just 20 years ago, and I speak as someone who has lived and worked there.
@@Mestrino2024 Who would want to emigrate to Italy? Unemployment there is high.
For some Italian deacendents born outside of Italy is very hard to obtain italian citizenship, but some immigrants who came into Italy( now mostly Europe) can obtain it in an easier manner. I think the laws will eventually change for those who got the IUS Sanguis.
I am sorry, but it is not true. Did you watch the video??
citizenship is fine as it is now, I would make it more difficult and it should not be given to Muslims or people who will never feel Italian, or we will find ourselves with the problems of France and England
I do not agree. Look at the demographics of Italy
@@HowtoItaly-2004 better few but good, than to fill ourselves with savages and enemies
@@fabriziopastorino3792 your idea is shared by the majority of Italians. I disagree but accept it
Are you Volodymyr Zelenskyy's brother?
Ahhahahha. You are not the first to tell me this ahahha
I believe Italy show make it a bit easier on 2nd and 3rd generation Italians all over the world to obtain dual citizenship. We need a new generation to grows in Italia especially in southern Italy. For me , both of my parents were Italian and came to the USA and naturalized. My father was a leader in organized crime so I wasn’t going to obtain it through him however, my mother naturalized a year after my birth in the USA thank God and that’s how I obtained my dual citizenship. I believe they should make it easier for Italian like I and 3rd generations so they can go back and put money into the Italian economy. Not only that however, open and grow new businesses in Italia so we can flourish and Italia becomes great again !
Thank you for your comment. I think it is still relatively easier for 2nd 3rd generations to get Italian citizenship.
For people tracing lineage through a female Italian who gave up citizenship before 1948, it isn't at all easy. I had to go through the Italian courts and it took 3 years and cost over $8,000. I got the citizenship but I know of people who didn't get it despite the cost the paid.
I totally understand your point. It is not easy, nonetheless it is still significantly easier than for people who do not have Italian blood.
I think you meant to say "female Italian who gave [birth] before 1948", the point being that the 1948 constitution conferred equality of the sexes in passing on their citizenship to their children, and the court cases in effect have applied that retroactively, even if legislation and ministerial decrees have not kept pace.