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don't know remember that the skyscrapers only ever became possible due to one invention, the electric elevator. Before that they were limited to about 6 floors, anything more was useless cause nobody would want to live that high up
@@istoppedcaring6209 I don't know about that. There are a bunch of buldings that had more than 6 floors before the invention of the electric elevator. For example the Torre dei Conti which originally was about 50-60m (164-196 feet) tall and probably hat 8-9 floors. My university has a bunch of buildings with more than 6 floors and I often just take the stairs, it's not that terrible. Especially considering that most people back then didn't work office jobs all day and were used to just walk places. That's said, the invention of the elevator surely made tall buildings more common. Although some would argue that skyscapers are kinda bullshit and we shouldn't build them anyways and many skyscapers today have problems getting rid of all the poo.
I visited Bologna last year and wondered this exact thing, the images online didn’t make sense to me because a skyline that vast would have surely dominated European consciousness and imagination, and yet it had been largely forgotten. Whilst it’s undoubtedly impressive for the time, I’m glad you put the towers of Bologna in their regional context and explored the sources behind these claims
These towers aren't actually skyscrapers. They were just ornamental bell towers and most of them didn't even have bells because they were built purely for visual appeal. They were empty and nobody lived inside them. In the time before elevators nobody wanted to live inside a tower because climbing 200 or 300 stairs multiple times a day is a pain in the butt. There was no water up there either so people would have had to carry buckets up the stairs too.
You’re totally underestimating the power of human collective forgetfulness and overestimating the power of memory. Just so anywhere in southern Italy and it’s absolutely ridiculous what was left and forgotten until recently is not still
Just so we're clear, it is believed it only took 3 generations for Brits to forget that Rome had built the roads in Britain. It just didn't get talked about and taught to their kids. If America fell (well, if all civilization fell, lol), my kids *might* teach their kids about the government and the highway dept, but unless specifically asked, I don't see why they would.
Finally, a science channel that explains the given question in about 10 minutes. I got so tired of sci-pop channels making 50-minute videos talking about something that can be explained in 5 minutes.
Omg not a content creator creating content crazy idea go read some research the work of researches if you want something simply just explained this guy took a question with a 10 second answer and gave you a 12 minute one because he added more he made content so when someone takes a question with a 10 minute answer and takes 50 minutes it's because there making content and they are not researchers not that they don't do research but there goal is to turn what's out there into more not just read it out loud so smooth brain understand
This kind of structure is called casatorre or casa torre, and was very common in Italy. In Florence, for example, there are still 50 case torri "scapitozzate", that means shortened, the original height was around 50-60 meters). Some of them were reduced for various reasons, but in the end, when one family (Medici) took control of the city, imposing their rule, all of them were reduced for political reasons. If you walk around the town, the former towers are pretty easy to spot.
@drezhb I think most of the shortened ones that were livable and in the property of a family were just renovated and then lived in. Most of the time all available space is used in city centres in Italy, since the houses are historical I'm pretty sure nobody can destroy them without reason.
yeah 50-60 meters would be more reasonable than 100. thou even than... stone and all the work cost and other materials and time to build it? cathedrals were build 100+ years in some cases. sure sure tower is more simple but still many towers build so fast? yeah its probably really blown out of proportions on what was the reality
In Italy, we have a term for harsh rivalry between neighbouring communities: it's "campanilismo". It litteraly means "tower-ism", and refers to those Medieval times when cities wanted to have highest towers than the ones of the cities nearby
@@matteorossi1172 1. That's the point of the joke, that a foreign terrorist used a foreign car. 2. Bugatti is Italian anyway. The founder, Ettore Bugatti, was literally Italian and formed his automobile company in Alsace-Lorraine in 1909 (which was not even French at the time). 3. The Bugatti brand isn't even fully French TODAY because it's still a subdivision of Volkswagen (German brand).
The only place where you can still see how a medieval Italian town looked like is San Gimignano, the towers are still there. But it's really a shame that Bologna which had more than 70 and Firenze which had 150 towers no longer have them😢😢😢 They'd be the most spectacular places ever
Sounds plausible considering it's what happens with buildings nowadays. Should be careful when trying to project such ideas too far back or forward though.
A few minutes into this video and i really hope you one day make a video diving into the Kawloon walled city. I honestly wish it was still around. It's fascinating how people built that over time in any way they could. No regulations, safety measures. Just necessity. If people could see it today they would legitimately think they were in the lower levels of the world of Blade Runner..
@@ThePresentPast_ oh I've seen that! It really is an amazing video on that topic. Both of you guys make such awesome quality content. I'm always interested in seeing what you upload. Keep up the great work. Glad I found this channel
The entire reason it existed was because of the fact it used to be a Chinese fort which people then squatted on, then China claimed to control that specific area. The British colonial government left the area alone, then after a bunch of treaties and other diplomatic agreements, and the handover of Hong Kong, the Chinese let the British deal with the Walled City (This might not be accurate)
Also some south German cities copied this trend from the other side of the alps. But similarly they were mostly torn down, shortened or the cities were bombed. Only Regensburg, has a large number of Towers with 2 in their original height
@@OffGridInvestor In a few hundred years people will forget about the atrocities of the Axis (and the Allies) just like every other centuries-old atrocity is irrelevant to us. But the US military bIowing up historical architecture, many intentionally, will not be forgiven by historians.
@@realtalk6195 The nazis also destroyed a bunch of historical buildings, it was just a consequence of the war (started by the nazis). Like soldiers of both sides would use old buildings as hideouts and then those buildings got bombed. The Nazis also destroyed a lot of old architecture in France during the occupation just to humiliate the French and take away important symbols of their history and culture.
As a bolognese guy and historic passionate, I want to say that the video is pretty accurate and well done. It’s not the usual and boring representation of the city, instead is deep and accurate. Thank for this contribution 🙏✨
The census by Gozzadini was based on ancient cadastre records. Therefore he did indeed double or triple count towers that changed name due to the change in ownership but were actually the same building. Moreover, not all towers he counted existed at the same time, as many collapsed or were demolished even in the middle age.
Molto probabilmente le 300 torri censite erano in realtà un centinaio, 24 delle quali ancora esistenti. Molte di quelle più antiche e basse furono inglobate nei palazzi che col tempo si ingrandivano e probabilmente, essendo alte anche poco più di 20 metri, non venivano considerate tali.
makes sense as there would not even be enough skilled workforce for all of it. cathedrals could be build for 100+ years so 200 towers build like that? yeah... does not sound reasonable.
I’m Italian and I call tell you that lots of cities were like that back in the day. Just try to take a look to Florence or Pavia in 1200s. They almost had more towers than residents. The most beautiful example still existing today is “San Gimignano” here in Tuscany, lots of towers survived and are still standing today! Over 800 years old.
As a medieval historian and medieval art historian FINALLY a good video which explains what the Bologna towers really were ! One important book about towers is the catalogue exhibition called Duecento, Forme e Colori del Medioevo a Bologna, Sellerio, 2000. It's 24 years ago but finally they've been arrived at some points that people forgot (or never knew) when social media exploded. The towers were between 98 and 100. 70% of them were house-towers with wider spaces, 2-3 floors and about 40m high. They were never never used to live; maybe just the first built in early XIIc but just in the ground floor. Actyally we haven't got prooves. Great video, thanks. We needed, among a lot of shyte.
I just have to say I love the length of your videos. Many channels have inflated their watch times and these are very clean cut and direct. I'm sure you could kill it on something longer as well, but you seem to have really dialed in this 10-12 min range
Umberto Eco (Italian Intellectual) would probably have called on the French thinker Baudrillard to describe this progression from representation to representation and simulation to simulation until we reach a simulacra, or a replica of a thing which never existed
Not everything is black or white, the story who (also the video) tell and explain it's a bit different: the model in the museum is real, not something that "never existed".
@@nathanaeledward_b That model, not the towers, who existed in most of the Italian cities of the late Middle Ages. In Bologna were not 200 but 100, 80? Ok, were many anyway (some 100m high also, like Asinelli Tower), the video explains why were born and (more importantly) proliferated. So it's not something that never existed, it's historically proved, are still today in Montepulciano and many other cities; of course, if your comment it was referring exclusively to that model (it doesn't seem to me, but my English is bad) ok, 200 towers never existed (it doesn't seem that's the point though).
@@nathanaeledward_b You write “the model itself is a representation of something which never existed” but (again) is just THAT model who never existed (it's an exaggeration, an artistic expression but of something real). The other (Bologna) model in the museum, at the end of the video, it's true, based on historical-archaeological evidence and it was the reality of many cities, not only Bologna. So, if your point is that the "city of Bologna with 200 towers painted in that model" never existed, ok but the same city with 80-100 towers, existed, we know that. Assuming (cause my English) I understood what you meant with your comment.
Considering that before the 2000s the tallest structure in Sweden was shorter than the Torre degli Asinelli... It took only 900 years, would have been nice to make it a round millennium.
@@AndreaIdini We have one cathedral (Uppsala) from the late middle ages that is taller than the Asinelli tower, so it did take a while for us to surpass it but not that long 😛 Don't know why the wiki list doesn't list all buildings in Sweden, but there's also Kaknästornet built in the 1960s that is 134 meters also Klara church from the 1590s is 116 meters. But going back in history it's mostly during the 20th century when buildings in Sweden start to be built in similar sizes as on the continent. Before that our big buildings were almost all Scandinavia-sized 😄
Bologna is probably the most historically interesting city in Italy that is not popular among tourists. Also, this video and the towers reminded me of Assassin's Creed 2.
I lived in Bologna in the summer of 2017, and you & Lorenzo still taught me so much! Super underrated Italian city with awesome history and amazing food--cheap too!
I had the exact same question. After I read the Wikipedia page, and was unsatisfied with the answer, I never delved deeper. Thank you for actually following through and spending the time to inform all of us. It is a sincere, noble contribution to humanity.
You are very lucky to live there. I have been there over 30 times and love the place. Me and my family have many good friends there now. We took my grandson to the Football a few weeks ago and I'm back in October for the Classic Car Show
That's the city where I live. :) Come back in the summer and enjoy our open air cinema in the city's major square. It lasts 2 months from mid June to mid August and it's free, you'll get a different movie every evening, both classics and newer stuff, always in original language and with subtitles, so both locals and tourists can enjoy it. When they showed "Once upon a time in America" there were more than 10.000 people watching it.
I'm lucky enough to have been to Bologna over 30 times. We love the place and have many good friends there now. It's not full of tourists and has the wonderful station with the bullet trains. I've watched the outside cinema and you have the underground one next to it. The only thing that has gone downhill is the New Year Celebrations. 2015 you could stand next to the burning effigy, there was a brilliant party feel and great music, then year on year it got more restrictive. Last year was dangerous as they cordoned off the main square and you had hundreds of people squashed together around the outside. Other than that I don't think there is a place I'd rather be. I'm back over for the classic car show in October. :-)
This was my nanas house. She passed away in 2016. But she used to sit outside in that closet all the time! I have many memories at that house and that back yard. Even though you’re making fun of my nana I love the video 😂😂😂 my family finds it funny aswell. Thank you so much for posting this 13years ago. I’m guessing you were staying in the hotel next to the house. I would see many people in the hotel growing up. Sometimes I would watch the tv while standing on the fence. These are memories I forgot. Thank you for posting.
This is one of the best mini documentaries I’ve seen! So informative, so much great visuals, awesome interviews- in only 12 minutes!! That’s an achievement to be proud of.
Excellent video. I absolutely love the 3d animations. I was reading on these towers just a couple of weeks ago I can safely say my thirst for more in depth information about them has been quenched. Thank you
@@shyoss2671 there’s a football team called bologna, and when I was much younger i heard a commentator say it like that while watching one of their games, it stuck with me so yes, I do say it like that
I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker pronounce it any other way but then I am British not American and only really hear it said in reference to football
That's my hometown. Born and raised in Bologna. After getting married I moved out of Italy and out of the European continent. After a shockingly short amount of time I got deeply homesick. I needed to go back so bad, I coundn't take it anymore. As soon as i put foot in Bologna's center/downtown it all came back to me, just by looking at the Asinelli tower, standing there. It seemed like it was there just for me, just waiting for my return. Bologna is such a cool and welcoming city. I learned that is the center of the whole world for me. Not in a nationalistic sense, more like in psychological/spiritual sense. Asinelli is like the polar star, helping me to find my way back. Such a cool city.
Met you at Skate the other day, Jochem. Cool that you're engaging with your audience even more in New York now. Love the videos you've been putting out! Keep it up
Wow. Amazing job on this topic. I got a chance to visit Bologna a couple of years ago, and it didn't even cross my mind where those leftover towers come from, and I would never have thought there were this many of them. Mind-blowing! Thank you for quality content!
I m a tour guide in Bologna. The problem with Gozzadini is that many towers had been changing name and ownership, in 700 years. In his 190 towers, he counted and recounted them all over, apparently no aware of his own mistake. How many towers were there? Nobody knows. Yet, Dante remembers Bologna as a Forest of Towers, in Inferno. So, there must have been plenty, enough to impress him. In late 13th century Bologna was the very first city in Europe abolishing slavery. No more slaves, no more towers.
Ci sono case torri a Bologna, a San Gimignano, a Prato... Ed in molte altre città e villaggi italiani. Noi Italiani lo sappiamo bene 💚🤍❤️ Bella Italia ☀️
Bologna the old Italian city was like the New York city of Medival Europe....a city filled with skyscrapers.The Italian architects were almost a millenia ahead of the Automation dependent architects of present World.
The Dispatch live event was great :) I'm really happy that I went! Definitly hope that you keep doing these. It's great to connect with creators and fans face to face. Especially since TH-cam is a medium that inadvertently kinda keeps us apart
100-200 years from now we’ll probably question why we lived in such massive towers instead of spreading out those communities from one square block to another entire town.
Even at its peak, the History Channel only covered a narrow scope of topics. The usual stuff you get from American interest in history. Very little medieval stuff in general.
I’m really happy u made this video. I’ve seen so many paintings of Italy with huge buildings but then all of the sudden they disappear after a few years with what seems little explanation from history
Fascinating history. Thanks for posting. With male ego involved, one can be sure that each man who had his tower built, wanted to have the biggest one.
You may want to make a follow up about Pavia, the city of 100 towers. It's my home town and you probably know a lot about it already but there's so much history there and very few people know nothing about it, and it's a shame. I have a good contact there if you want to do this seriously
This is a phenomenal video - what an interesting snapshot in history and even 80 to 100 towers is such an impressive number. Thanks for doing such good research and making such a cool video.
Wow! These medieval towers are Alternate history fodder, definitely good inspiration for my own world building project. Btw the image also reminded of the skyscrapers of Yemen in Shibam.
Bologna is pretty cool. But when you want to get an impression of a medieval town with many big towers, San Gimignano is the place to go. One of the biggest one you can even climb.
Love this video! If you like towers why don't you come to Siena too? we used to have about one hundred towers here too, you'll find them (or what's left of them) fascinating.
I really appreciate the perspective Italians aquired towards towers. They are impressive from a physical stand point but I personally think towers are one of the crappiest designs that caught on in our modern era. To me they represent everything wrong with our current economy, system, structure, society. I feel like we would be MUCH better off if we put in all of that effort into building creative, adaptive, intertwined cities and towns. Rather than putting all this effort into making a bunch of singular independent isolated islands in the sky towers all over the place..
Whilst I understand your point, especially about medieval towers that were mere prestige projects, towers do serve a purpose in housing large amounts of people in a dense environment. I spent years in a Chinese apartment compound, each tower was able to hold 60 families and there were about 100 towers in this community alone, along with public spaces and amenities
I wish you had shot the footage of the newer model from a lower angle. Like so "table level" that you block out some of the lower half of the frame with the table itself. *To really simulate a human perspective in that time period*
Medieval drawings always make buildings higher than they actually were. This is the same with my own city Cracow. A lot of buildings are preserved to this day, so I can see myself that they were drawn twice as tall
12:03 @ThePresentPast - this video was very high quality content and I would love to watch the Dispatch, perhaps you could repeat the event in Amsterdam for those who cannot travel to NY? Or invite your Dutch fans to watch them together, maybe in the new IDFA pavilion if they see a connection to screening what are basically short history documentary programmers. It’s a lot of random ideas and asking a lot, but I thought I would put the ideas out there. Thank you for this insight into medieval Italy and Bologna 😊
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Even if it was less than 100, for a peasant who's probably never seen a third floor it'd be absolutely mind blowing
If he’d never seen a lighthouse then yes
don't know
remember that the skyscrapers only ever became possible due to one invention, the electric elevator.
Before that they were limited to about 6 floors, anything more was useless cause nobody would want to live that high up
@@istoppedcaring6209 I don't know about that. There are a bunch of buldings that had more than 6 floors before the invention of the electric elevator. For example the Torre dei Conti which originally was about 50-60m (164-196 feet) tall and probably hat 8-9 floors. My university has a bunch of buildings with more than 6 floors and I often just take the stairs, it's not that terrible. Especially considering that most people back then didn't work office jobs all day and were used to just walk places.
That's said, the invention of the elevator surely made tall buildings more common. Although some would argue that skyscapers are kinda bullshit and we shouldn't build them anyways and many skyscapers today have problems getting rid of all the poo.
@@istoppedcaring6209 unless you have a bunch of slaves to turn some gears and make a human-powered elevator!
Unless they ever climbed a tree or went up a hill..
I visited Bologna last year and wondered this exact thing, the images online didn’t make sense to me because a skyline that vast would have surely dominated European consciousness and imagination, and yet it had been largely forgotten. Whilst it’s undoubtedly impressive for the time, I’m glad you put the towers of Bologna in their regional context and explored the sources behind these claims
These towers aren't actually skyscrapers. They were just ornamental bell towers and most of them didn't even have bells because they were built purely for visual appeal. They were empty and nobody lived inside them. In the time before elevators nobody wanted to live inside a tower because climbing 200 or 300 stairs multiple times a day is a pain in the butt. There was no water up there either so people would have had to carry buckets up the stairs too.
You’re totally underestimating the power of human collective forgetfulness and overestimating the power of memory. Just so anywhere in southern Italy and it’s absolutely ridiculous what was left and forgotten until recently is not still
Just so we're clear, it is believed it only took 3 generations for Brits to forget that Rome had built the roads in Britain. It just didn't get talked about and taught to their kids. If America fell (well, if all civilization fell, lol), my kids *might* teach their kids about the government and the highway dept, but unless specifically asked, I don't see why they would.
@@Novusod Then they served some other purpose. Maybe they were docks for zeppelins.
they would have had enough structural engineering knowledge to figure out they start falling down if they're made of stone
this feels like a legit historical television programme
great work
Tower Papa: It's 1269, jet plane not reale, it's not gonna hurt yo
Tower babino: Che c*zz! Mama mia! It's Da Vinci's flying machine!！
This is the videos goal so it’s winning 🎉
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Agreed. Production is top notch.
Finally, a science channel that explains the given question in about 10 minutes. I got so tired of sci-pop channels making 50-minute videos talking about something that can be explained in 5 minutes.
So your happy with it being twice as long as it needs to be?
@@SD-vy7gjHe's happy that they're 5 times shorter than they usually are
Isn't this the same? It dragged for 10 minutes what it explained in 10 seconds at at 11:10
Poor attention span
Omg not a content creator creating content crazy idea go read some research the work of researches if you want something simply just explained this guy took a question with a 10 second answer and gave you a 12 minute one because he added more he made content so when someone takes a question with a 10 minute answer and takes 50 minutes it's because there making content and they are not researchers not that they don't do research but there goal is to turn what's out there into more not just read it out loud so smooth brain understand
This kind of structure is called casatorre or casa torre, and was very common in Italy. In Florence, for example, there are still 50 case torri "scapitozzate", that means shortened, the original height was around 50-60 meters). Some of them were reduced for various reasons, but in the end, when one family (Medici) took control of the city, imposing their rule, all of them were reduced for political reasons. If you walk around the town, the former towers are pretty easy to spot.
Can you live in those towers still or are they protected historical artifacts now?
@@drezhb If they were surveyed and deemed safe, I don't see why not. In this video he says that one is a Bed and Breakfast.
@drezhb I think most of the shortened ones that were livable and in the property of a family were just renovated and then lived in. Most of the time all available space is used in city centres in Italy, since the houses are historical I'm pretty sure nobody can destroy them without reason.
For example in Siena every building is used. That's why houses cost so much in the city centre 😭
yeah 50-60 meters would be more reasonable than 100. thou even than... stone and all the work cost and other materials and time to build it? cathedrals were build 100+ years in some cases. sure sure tower is more simple but still many towers build so fast? yeah its probably really blown out of proportions on what was the reality
In Italy, we have a term for harsh rivalry between neighbouring communities: it's "campanilismo". It litteraly means "tower-ism", and refers to those Medieval times when cities wanted to have highest towers than the ones of the cities nearby
Damn i think i waa there in assasin creed
Same :)
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San Gimignano was in Assassin's Creed 2
I saw it in assassins creed after being there on a schooltrip and had the exact opposite feeling😅
That would be a very interesting game, @@AbelTajima-mj5yx
"Mr. Berlusconi! A second Bugatti hit the second Tower."
* a second Leonardo da Vinci's self-made helicopter
Buratti is french
@@matteorossi1172
1. That's the point of the joke, that a foreign terrorist used a foreign car.
2. Bugatti is Italian anyway. The founder, Ettore Bugatti, was literally Italian and formed his automobile company in Alsace-Lorraine in 1909 (which was not even French at the time).
3. The Bugatti brand isn't even fully French TODAY because it's still a subdivision of Volkswagen (German brand).
@@NovikNikolovic my bad
the joke was fun, the rest of your responses was pure aids
The only place where you can still see how a medieval Italian town looked like is San Gimignano, the towers are still there.
But it's really a shame that Bologna which had more than 70 and Firenze which had 150 towers no longer have them😢😢😢
They'd be the most spectacular places ever
Non è l’unica
Check Ascoli Piceno as well
I went to san gimignano
@@Tariqblox1
Anch'io 🙌🏽
I've read somewhere that these towers were built in vertical to avoid taxation, which was based on land surface.
The nobility must have seen this happening and just thought like, alright, that's pretty cool. Respect dude
Sounds plausible considering it's what happens with buildings nowadays. Should be careful when trying to project such ideas too far back or forward though.
"Avoiding taxes" and "fertility cult" is what historians say when they do not know the answer.
Wasn't that the reason why Manhattan also started making skyscrapers?
Lack of space and taxation?
"Work smarter not harder"
No way! LORENZO was my lecturer!
Also....man I wanna marry these 3d animations holy sht
Whuuuut no way haha
Fellow Lancaster alumni here, great to see the uni getting good publicity.
Mostly flawless English, although his pronunciation of 'countryside' was a little off. Country and county had very different sounds :)
@@danielfield2570 represent ✊️✊️ I'm graduating this summer!
@rogink English pronunciation sucks
A few minutes into this video and i really hope you one day make a video diving into the Kawloon walled city. I honestly wish it was still around. It's fascinating how people built that over time in any way they could. No regulations, safety measures. Just necessity. If people could see it today they would legitimately think they were in the lower levels of the world of Blade Runner..
My friend Neo already made the best video on this topic, go check it out!
@@ThePresentPast_ oh I've seen that! It really is an amazing video on that topic. Both of you guys make such awesome quality content. I'm always interested in seeing what you upload. Keep up the great work. Glad I found this channel
The entire reason it existed was because of the fact it used to be a Chinese fort which people then squatted on, then China claimed to control that specific area. The British colonial government left the area alone, then after a bunch of treaties and other diplomatic agreements, and the handover of Hong Kong, the Chinese let the British deal with the Walled City
(This might not be accurate)
There was an arcade / shopping centre in Tokyo that was made to resemble the Kowloon Walled City, but it closed around the time of Corona.
@@worldcomicsreview354 Wasn’t that around 2010?
Also some south German cities copied this trend from the other side of the alps. But similarly they were mostly torn down, shortened or the cities were bombed. Only Regensburg, has a large number of Towers with 2 in their original height
I've found this page about the european medieval towers, very interesting de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschlechterturm
A terrible amount of old buildings were wrecked due to bombing during the war. Disappointing to say the least
@@OffGridInvestor In a few hundred years people will forget about the atrocities of the Axis (and the Allies) just like every other centuries-old atrocity is irrelevant to us. But the US military bIowing up historical architecture, many intentionally, will not be forgiven by historians.
@@realtalk6195 The nazis also destroyed a bunch of historical buildings, it was just a consequence of the war (started by the nazis). Like soldiers of both sides would use old buildings as hideouts and then those buildings got bombed. The Nazis also destroyed a lot of old architecture in France during the occupation just to humiliate the French and take away important symbols of their history and culture.
@@realtalk6195
The Krauts started it (because they were "just following rules" or "doing their job") and so the Krauts pay for it.
Bologna! My favorite city in the world! I have never fallen in love with a city like I did with Bologna.
It is such a nice town!
Absolutely, we visited last year.
It is the most vibrant city in all of Italy and probably all of Europe.
its beautiful i visited it not too long ago
Lived there for 3 months and absolutely loved it. The culture of the city is so beautiful and so different from the rest of Italy.
You can finally watch Bologna in Champions League next season.
1:05 you had to go there to find the answer? Crazy, I just found a 12 min. TH-cam about this very thing and got all the answers I needed!
Yeah and I learned about sex by reading in a book . Same thing as what you did
Because he went there
I feel stupid for not getting this joke at first lmao
@@nekomimicatears no worries! lol it was totally meant as a lighthearted joke, I think others also missed it too lol
Business related holiday?
As a bolognese guy and historic passionate, I want to say that the video is pretty accurate and well done. It’s not the usual and boring representation of the city, instead is deep and accurate. Thank for this contribution 🙏✨
The census by Gozzadini was based on ancient cadastre records. Therefore he did indeed double or triple count towers that changed name due to the change in ownership but were actually the same building. Moreover, not all towers he counted existed at the same time, as many collapsed or were demolished even in the middle age.
Molto probabilmente le 300 torri censite erano in realtà un centinaio, 24 delle quali ancora esistenti.
Molte di quelle più antiche e basse furono inglobate nei palazzi che col tempo si ingrandivano e probabilmente, essendo alte anche poco più di 20 metri, non venivano considerate tali.
makes sense as there would not even be enough skilled workforce for all of it. cathedrals could be build for 100+ years so 200 towers build like that? yeah... does not sound reasonable.
"Some nobles say the length of the tower is what matters. Others say it's what you do with it."
I see what you did there.
Lorenzo’s combination of posh RP and Italian inflections makes for a very interesting and unique accent
“Cowntry sayid” ;)
It almost reminds me of a German one but not exactly
I’m Italian and I call tell you that lots of cities were like that back in the day. Just try to take a look to Florence or Pavia in 1200s. They almost had more towers than residents. The most beautiful example still existing today is “San Gimignano” here in Tuscany, lots of towers survived and are still standing today! Over 800 years old.
As a medieval historian and medieval art historian FINALLY a good video which explains what the Bologna towers really were !
One important book about towers is the catalogue exhibition called Duecento, Forme e Colori del Medioevo a Bologna, Sellerio, 2000.
It's 24 years ago but finally they've been arrived at some points that people forgot (or never knew) when social media exploded. The towers were between 98 and 100. 70% of them were house-towers with wider spaces, 2-3 floors and about 40m high.
They were never never used to live; maybe just the first built in early XIIc but just in the ground floor. Actyally we haven't got prooves.
Great video, thanks. We needed, among a lot of shyte.
I just have to say I love the length of your videos. Many channels have inflated their watch times and these are very clean cut and direct. I'm sure you could kill it on something longer as well, but you seem to have really dialed in this 10-12 min range
next video probably around 30 mins 👀
@@ThePresentPast_ looking forward to it!
Umberto Eco (Italian Intellectual) would probably have called on the French thinker Baudrillard to describe this progression from representation to representation and simulation to simulation until we reach a simulacra, or a replica of a thing which never existed
It's kinda like a telephone game
Not everything is black or white, the story who (also the video) tell and explain it's a bit different: the model in the museum is real, not something that "never existed".
@@lazios …the model itself is a representation of something which never existed
@@nathanaeledward_b That model, not the towers, who existed in most of the Italian cities of the late Middle Ages.
In Bologna were not 200 but 100, 80? Ok, were many anyway (some 100m high also, like Asinelli Tower), the video explains why were born and (more importantly) proliferated.
So it's not something that never existed, it's historically proved, are still today in Montepulciano and many other cities; of course, if your comment it was referring exclusively to that model (it doesn't seem to me, but my English is bad) ok, 200 towers never existed (it doesn't seem that's the point though).
@@nathanaeledward_b You write “the model itself is a representation of something which never existed” but (again) is just THAT model who never existed (it's an exaggeration, an artistic expression but of something real).
The other (Bologna) model in the museum, at the end of the video, it's true, based on historical-archaeological evidence and it was the reality of many cities, not only Bologna.
So, if your point is that the "city of Bologna with 200 towers painted in that model" never existed, ok but the same city with 80-100 towers, existed, we know that.
Assuming (cause my English) I understood what you meant with your comment.
Here in Sweden a castle with a 20 metres high tower was considered really massive! Very interesting to learn of the towers of Bologna! 😊
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Considering that before the 2000s the tallest structure in Sweden was shorter than the Torre degli Asinelli...
It took only 900 years, would have been nice to make it a round millennium.
@@AndreaIdini We have one cathedral (Uppsala) from the late middle ages that is taller than the Asinelli tower, so it did take a while for us to surpass it but not that long 😛 Don't know why the wiki list doesn't list all buildings in Sweden, but there's also Kaknästornet built in the 1960s that is 134 meters also Klara church from the 1590s is 116 meters.
But going back in history it's mostly during the 20th century when buildings in Sweden start to be built in similar sizes as on the continent. Before that our big buildings were almost all Scandinavia-sized 😄
Bologna is probably the most historically interesting city in Italy that is not popular among tourists.
Also, this video and the towers reminded me of Assassin's Creed 2.
such an amazing game
Got pickpocketed 50 euros as I was paying for a train ticket there…
It also has the oldest running university in the world.
Bologna the gayest city
@@frawgeatfrawgworldyeah unfortunately it's full of "colourful" people if you know what I mean
History is what is written. Our past is much richer than the history we've been given.
I lived in Bologna in the summer of 2017, and you & Lorenzo still taught me so much! Super underrated Italian city with awesome history and amazing food--cheap too!
I had the exact same question. After I read the Wikipedia page, and was unsatisfied with the answer, I never delved deeper.
Thank you for actually following through and spending the time to inform all of us. It is a sincere, noble contribution to humanity.
My pleasure :)
The wiki page should be updated!!
As a bolognese it warms my heart to see my city in this gorgeous video, thank you so much!
My pleasure, love your city!
Do you follow Luis and mention the history of Bologna to your friends every other day?
You are very lucky to live there. I have been there over 30 times and love the place. Me and my family have many good friends there now. We took my grandson to the Football a few weeks ago and I'm back in October for the Classic Car Show
That's the city where I live. :) Come back in the summer and enjoy our open air cinema in the city's major square. It lasts 2 months from mid June to mid August and it's free, you'll get a different movie every evening, both classics and newer stuff, always in original language and with subtitles, so both locals and tourists can enjoy it. When they showed "Once upon a time in America" there were more than 10.000 people watching it.
I was there last year and watched a movie in the open air! Such a magical experience ❤
I'm lucky enough to have been to Bologna over 30 times. We love the place and have many good friends there now. It's not full of tourists and has the wonderful station with the bullet trains. I've watched the outside cinema and you have the underground one next to it. The only thing that has gone downhill is the New Year Celebrations. 2015 you could stand next to the burning effigy, there was a brilliant party feel and great music, then year on year it got more restrictive. Last year was dangerous as they cordoned off the main square and you had hundreds of people squashed together around the outside. Other than that I don't think there is a place I'd rather be. I'm back over for the classic car show in October. :-)
I love visiting Bologna. it's a lovely universitary city, full of culture and very nice people.
This was my nanas house. She passed away in 2016. But she used to sit outside in that closet all the time! I have many memories at that house and that back yard. Even though you’re making fun of my nana I love the video 😂😂😂 my family finds it funny aswell. Thank you so much for posting this 13years ago. I’m guessing you were staying in the hotel next to the house. I would see many people in the hotel growing up. Sometimes I would watch the tv while standing on the fence. These are memories I forgot. Thank you for posting.
That 3Dmodel of the bologna skyline is unbelievable. Crazy that it was real, in a 13th century city no less
Amazingly high quality video. This is the level of large TV channels, and even better. Thank you.
This is one of the best mini documentaries I’ve seen! So informative, so much great visuals, awesome interviews- in only 12 minutes!! That’s an achievement to be proud of.
thats so nice, thank you!
Excellent video. I absolutely love the 3d animations. I was reading on these towers just a couple of weeks ago I can safely say my thirst for more in depth information about them has been quenched. Thank you
0:42 ... No way... First time i ear am English speaker nailing the pronounce of Bologna
See it’s bc “bologna” is how we spell Bologna (the food) which is pronounced “Buh-low-knee”
I’ve always said it that way
@@smaaht2531no you dont
@@shyoss2671 there’s a football team called bologna, and when I was much younger i heard a commentator say it like that while watching one of their games, it stuck with me so yes, I do say it like that
I don't think I've ever heard an English speaker pronounce it any other way but then I am British not American and only really hear it said in reference to football
Your work keeps getting better and better. Well-paced, interesting, and impressively edited. Great stuff, Jochem.
~Chris
That's my hometown. Born and raised in Bologna.
After getting married I moved out of Italy and out of the European continent. After a shockingly short amount of time I got deeply homesick. I needed to go back so bad, I coundn't take it anymore. As soon as i put foot in Bologna's center/downtown it all came back to me, just by looking at the Asinelli tower, standing there. It seemed like it was there just for me, just waiting for my return.
Bologna is such a cool and welcoming city. I learned that is the center of the whole world for me. Not in a nationalistic sense, more like in psychological/spiritual sense. Asinelli is like the polar star, helping me to find my way back.
Such a cool city.
Met you at Skate the other day, Jochem. Cool that you're engaging with your audience even more in New York now.
Love the videos you've been putting out! Keep it up
Wow. Amazing job on this topic. I got a chance to visit Bologna a couple of years ago, and it didn't even cross my mind where those leftover towers come from, and I would never have thought there were this many of them. Mind-blowing! Thank you for quality content!
I m a tour guide in Bologna.
The problem with Gozzadini is that many towers had been changing name and ownership, in 700 years.
In his 190 towers, he counted and recounted them all over, apparently no aware of his own mistake.
How many towers were there?
Nobody knows.
Yet, Dante remembers Bologna as a Forest of Towers, in Inferno.
So, there must have been plenty, enough to impress him.
In late 13th century Bologna was the very first city in Europe abolishing slavery. No more slaves, no more towers.
Ci sono case torri a Bologna, a San Gimignano, a Prato... Ed in molte altre città e villaggi italiani. Noi Italiani lo sappiamo bene 💚🤍❤️ Bella Italia ☀️
Bologna the old Italian city was like the New York city of Medival Europe....a city filled with skyscrapers.The Italian architects were almost a millenia ahead of the Automation dependent architects of present World.
The Dispatch live event was great :) I'm really happy that I went! Definitly hope that you keep doing these. It's great to connect with creators and fans face to face. Especially since TH-cam is a medium that inadvertently kinda keeps us apart
100-200 years from now we’ll probably question why we lived in such massive towers instead of spreading out those communities from one square block to another entire town.
This is solid, well-researched and non-gimmicky historical content. Thank you!
Beautiful video! Extremely well done, thoughtful, and impressive!!
It’s always amazing for me to see someone interested in my city. Thank you for you video, i hope you had good times in Bologna!
Love Bologna! Just spent my Birthday there with my family.
This is what the History channel should've been
But where would Man vs Ice go?
Even at its peak, the History Channel only covered a narrow scope of topics. The usual stuff you get from American interest in history. Very little medieval stuff in general.
Been following you since the first videos. The progress you've made is crazy. Keep it up, Jochem, love your videos!
Appreciate that!
Wow, never know this stuff. Thank you.
Video starts at 02:32
8:58 i see what you did there 😂😂😂😂 great vidya!!!!
"Some nobles say the length of your tower matters. Other say it's what you do with it". The dilemma that runs throughout the ages. 😂
High quality video with meaningful length. Better than most documentaries on tv.
On the topic I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's Italian Communes playlist: that 's mind-blowing
I’m really happy u made this video. I’ve seen so many paintings of Italy with huge buildings but then all of the sudden they disappear after a few years with what seems little explanation from history
Fascinating! I've always been intrigued by these towers and wanting to know more!
You guys are really starting to love Italy now, I've seen 15 videos today talking about it
Fascinating history. Thanks for posting. With male ego involved, one can be sure that each man who had his tower built, wanted to have the biggest one.
Just like in the Emirates etc today
I don't have an interest in Italy or towers but I was compelled to stay , very diligent piece of work you did. Thank you for the history lesson
The true history of our world has been hidden. My Lunch Break is another great resource. Thanks
This makes the symbolism of the tower tarot card make so much more sense
they were 100% compensating for something
The ancients were no different than men of our time in the quest of status among their peers, and the desire to be at the top of the pack.
It would have been a long trip from Italy to New York just to see a video... but I appreciate the kindness.
It is impressive how the Italian guy speaks: he barely moves his hands.
I admire your persistence in searching for the truth about something people just take for granted.
Really interesting video. Excellent research. Thank you very much.
Just makes you think what other magnificent creations have been through out history that we just have no idea about.
Great video! Really appreciated learning more about these towers.
The 3D animations in this video are really amazing and make the story come to life!!
You may want to make a follow up about Pavia, the city of 100 towers. It's my home town and you probably know a lot about it already but there's so much history there and very few people know nothing about it, and it's a shame. I have a good contact there if you want to do this seriously
Nice video, man. I like the animations as well 🙂👍🏻
Haha it was cool getting a cameo from horses
Man Carrying Thing as well, I think...
This is a phenomenal video - what an interesting snapshot in history and even 80 to 100 towers is such an impressive number. Thanks for doing such good research and making such a cool video.
Wow! These medieval towers are Alternate history fodder, definitely good inspiration for my own world building project. Btw the image also reminded of the skyscrapers of Yemen in Shibam.
Bologna is pretty cool.
But when you want to get an impression of a medieval town with many big towers, San Gimignano is the place to go. One of the biggest one you can even climb.
Love this video! If you like towers why don't you come to Siena too? we used to have about one hundred towers here too, you'll find them (or what's left of them) fascinating.
Love that city too
I've lived in bologna for over 10 years and still somehow just trusted the idea of 200 towers, never though too much about it
I really appreciate the perspective Italians aquired towards towers. They are impressive from a physical stand point but I personally think towers are one of the crappiest designs that caught on in our modern era. To me they represent everything wrong with our current economy, system, structure, society. I feel like we would be MUCH better off if we put in all of that effort into building creative, adaptive, intertwined cities and towns. Rather than putting all this effort into making a bunch of singular independent isolated islands in the sky towers all over the place..
Whilst I understand your point, especially about medieval towers that were mere prestige projects, towers do serve a purpose in housing large amounts of people in a dense environment. I spent years in a Chinese apartment compound, each tower was able to hold 60 families and there were about 100 towers in this community alone, along with public spaces and amenities
I agree with you. But I do admire the structures for all the imagination and engineering which make them possible.
First time seeing one of you videos , i subbed incredible work good editing, tv show worthy filming, great information, amazing man
And the moral of the story, people will always exaggerate.
Great video! Did you build the 3d model of the city with all the tower youself? It's lovely
I wish you had shot the footage of the newer model from a lower angle. Like so "table level" that you block out some of the lower half of the frame with the table itself. *To really simulate a human perspective in that time period*
Medieval drawings always make buildings higher than they actually were. This is the same with my own city Cracow. A lot of buildings are preserved to this day, so I can see myself that they were drawn twice as tall
Truth looks better than the exaggeration anyway
I use that Manta sleep mask....its actually really really good, best one ive ever bought in fact...just throwing that out there.
6:22 ahhh so it's click bait
Some recognition from home! Love Lancashire. (Where Lancaster is)
Damn, so those minecraft villagers were actually cooking
Sometimes the gems of the internet appear on your timeline. You got yourself one more subscriber! Up to 1M for you!
7:18 THAT SOUNDS LIKE MAN CARRYING THING
12:03 @ThePresentPast - this video was very high quality content and I would love to watch the Dispatch, perhaps you could repeat the event in Amsterdam for those who cannot travel to NY? Or invite your Dutch fans to watch them together, maybe in the new IDFA pavilion if they see a connection to screening what are basically short history documentary programmers. It’s a lot of random ideas and asking a lot, but I thought I would put the ideas out there. Thank you for this insight into medieval Italy and Bologna 😊
Next year London might be an option!
the cornetto isn't a croissant btw
Finally my city is getting the recognition it deserves!
They got scrapped.
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