Unless your character has a decently fast mid, your options are as follows: try interrupting with a poke, anticipate their poke and block, anticipate their poke and backdash/jump for a whiff punish, anticipate their poke and use your armored reversal, or anticipate their block and grab. There ya go.
The point is that it’s a unnecessary mind game that specific characters have to worry about.whereas jc and geras(just to name a few)don’t have to worry about it
@@xenoryuthat's what pokes are for though. And if most characters don't have that option of a fast mid then I don't see it as that much of an issue. Especially since pokes are punishable now. Much rather this than the poking wars of mk11
@@radfield6089 reading comprehension alludes you. I never said he was "bad" as your sarcasm implies. Struggle...as in poke mashers...as that directly relates to the video
@@youtubewatcherforfunHes nasty easily top 2-3 in the game. Hes basically unpunishable and has the fastest dashes/pokes in the game with very solid damage. His mixups are nice and once hype is activated he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Hes got everything to offer other than projectiles which can be fixed with the right kameos
@@youtubewatcherforfunhe’s easy once you get the hang of it but his star combos can be a little tricky if it’s one that requires you to do the hype start while the enemy is in the air cuz you gotta move fast but other than that he’s easy and most of his combo strings are safe on block and do good chip damage paired with cyrax
I try to do pressure tactic that are safe on block and do mixups with lows and overheads and grabs or I just wait until they mess up and throw out and un safe combo then punish them and I poke here and there there a lot of options
It’s important to remember to capitalize on the poke if you do get it it. D1 is very plus on hit for most characters. It usually Jails into your next string if you hit it, even if it’s a high string. Rooflemonger has a great video on it, and ways of dealing with pokes. Good luck testing your night out there everybody!
I got poked into the corner by Raiden player and he got a flowless victory for it. I blocked him many times but I could not get a turn back because he would just poke again before I could poke him.... Also, I don't see how to reversal or break away from this because the breaker mechanic dose not seem to work against basic moves. Most of the time I end up blocking the entire match and maybe get one hit on the opponent. I try to do the same thing by mashing pokes but I get blocked and some how get destroyed from combos that last for days. I did much better with MK11 and got to rank 75, but this game seems like it is more for advanced players.
That’s unfortunate but listen the advice I can give is to focus on what you’re opponents tend to do and then learn how to punish it no block strings are negative by the nature of fighting games only a few are going to be plus on block learn what you can do when your opponent does something negative if you know they are going to poke just grab them or poke them first
If they always poke, try to notice their pattern. Intercept it with a grab. They will have to start respecting that u can grab them. Just remember that grabs hit high and will miss them if they start delaying their poke or if they duck without blocking. If they start doing that after respecting ur grab option, just start trying to hit them while they are waking up.
oh yea definitely! i think restting neutral is better than getting your poke blocked and losing your turn though. not a huge fan of pokes in this game (loved them in mk11 though)@@xenoryu
Absolutely agree..What I’m trying to to do with game is find a way to eliminate some of the unnecessary mind games that the game has finding away around pokes was my first step towards that your points are really valid and appreciated
Yea dropping a video on this next but for a quick tip:only moves that are -6 or lower can be staggered -7 and up you’ll be able to react to with training
good thing at least someone talks about it bro, i am playing reiko and my fasftest mid is 15fr and its clumsy and unsafe and my main mid is 16 fr, lol i cant even land it after i land a successful poke myself
This is why NRS games piss me off so much. I was hoping this video was going to show me a better way than poking to get my turn back but now I realize I’m doing what the game intended lol
@@xenoryu i disagree ... look at pro players ...on the very high lvl ...Shang is maybe one of the best in the game ... people also things Rain is not good ... but he can also do stuff where u cant even moving . outside Raiden and Baraka ...the game and the characters are overall balanced ... Nitara has also some cool tricks ...
are you saying you should use a mid instead of a poke? not every character is blessed with a fast mid like Kung Lao or Johnny, no offense but this is a dumb suggestion
No it’s just and option and essentially the best way to not get poked on because what happens if they don’t poke?because you’re character doesn’t have a fast mid or maybe you’re afraid to use your mid you poke your opponent and they block it then they get back the turn the point of the video is that you can get trapped in an unnecessary mind game of poking because you have no mids so poke or go into your mid you can also jump or dash back but the best way is to use your mid
@@xkmuffinzx3915 must be because there are tons of gaps and most move are slow so you gotta a bigger window ...I wish they were here anyway. I think it was balanced, if you do it props to you for the read, if you failed it than a combo.....
@@viniciuslessa3480 they kinda brought that reward mechanic with blocking, if you up block a jump punch you get a block advantage but it's not the same
@@xkmuffinzx3915 yeah I fell you. For me sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't lead to a punish. Thing is: in training mode you can't see how much minus they are when you upblock something because.... because yes according to them... LOL
Shangs mid might be decent but he has one of the best zoning kits (besides arguably Reikos stars) in the game so there had to be some compensation for it to not make him too busted and he has to work more when a opponent actually closes in on him. It's always the whole tool kit that matters not just one specific point and 1 char suddenly is way better then the other.
No he really doesnt you duck those fireballs and jump once and youre already in shangs face and then he basically loses reiko outzones him and reiko is a grappler
@@LilYungGrabBagJr nice theory but you describe here mindless spamming and not zoning with Anti airs etc. And one touch from Shang sends you again full screen for more zoning. Sure there's counterplay but if there wouldn't it would just be busted.
@@LilYungGrabBagJryou’re assuming the Shang doesn’t know how to play the game outside of zoning. By the time you get to him, a lot of your health will be chipped and he’ll have close to full bar to break, or to just keep enhancing his fireball on top of having to deal with kung Laos hat
@@ghost-1nklegendary225that's why you start mixing in d4 into df2. It works for now with cyrax but once he's nerfed baraka won't have alot of options to avoid getting mashed on
It’s honestly the same for a lot of characters in the game raiden has a 18fr mid for example and characters that has 12fr mids are in some what a better situation and -5 or lower a 12fr will not be able take back rightful turn
Fighting game 101 but think of this video as more informative for new players or people anyone having problems online constantly being poked on!
Unless your character has a decently fast mid, your options are as follows: try interrupting with a poke, anticipate their poke and block, anticipate their poke and backdash/jump for a whiff punish, anticipate their poke and use your armored reversal, or anticipate their block and grab. There ya go.
Buy its also annoying..if your main has to play this game....a good apponent knows you have those options and may play to bait you
@@madddogg145 that's fighting games bro
The point is that it’s a unnecessary mind game that specific characters have to worry about.whereas jc and geras(just to name a few)don’t have to worry about it
@@xenoryuthat's what pokes are for though. And if most characters don't have that option of a fast mid then I don't see it as that much of an issue. Especially since pokes are punishable now. Much rather this than the poking wars of mk11
I would like backdash being a reversal like in 11. Damn or even throw. Having only special and Kameo is not enough sometimes
All my MK11 Kotal mains know the struggle of not having a fast mid, up close, and how to deal with it
There are always work arounds however it’s more likely to get poked on in mk1 vs 11
mk11 kotal.... struggles....hahah how precious.
That command grab was your up close mid lmao
f2 hello? comes out so fast
@@radfield6089 reading comprehension alludes you. I never said he was "bad" as your sarcasm implies. Struggle...as in poke mashers...as that directly relates to the video
just main johnny
Why so? He seems tough to learn with his star power up. Why is he good?
@@youtubewatcherforfunHes nasty easily top 2-3 in the game. Hes basically unpunishable and has the fastest dashes/pokes in the game with very solid damage. His mixups are nice and once hype is activated he is undoubtedly the best in the game. Hes got everything to offer other than projectiles which can be fixed with the right kameos
@@louieduarte7436 dayum maybe I give him a try. Just intimidating to learn for a noob
@@youtubewatcherforfunhe’s easy once you get the hang of it but his star combos can be a little tricky if it’s one that requires you to do the hype start while the enemy is in the air cuz you gotta move fast but other than that he’s easy and most of his combo strings are safe on block and do good chip damage paired with cyrax
hes plus on a lot of his moves and has crazy range and mix ups of highs and lows. He’s really good
I try to do pressure tactic that are safe on block and do mixups with lows and overheads and grabs or I just wait until they mess up and throw out and un safe combo then punish them and I poke here and there there a lot of options
Thats the way to do it keep them guessing while applying immense pressure 👍🏽
Informative and I like the music you put on in the background
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It’s important to remember to capitalize on the poke if you do get it it. D1 is very plus on hit for most characters. It usually Jails into your next string if you hit it, even if it’s a high string. Rooflemonger has a great video on it, and ways of dealing with pokes. Good luck testing your night out there everybody!
I got poked into the corner by Raiden player and he got a flowless victory for it. I blocked him many times but I could not get a turn back because he would just poke again before I could poke him.... Also, I don't see how to reversal or break away from this because the breaker mechanic dose not seem to work against basic moves. Most of the time I end up blocking the entire match and maybe get one hit on the opponent. I try to do the same thing by mashing pokes but I get blocked and some how get destroyed from combos that last for days. I did much better with MK11 and got to rank 75, but this game seems like it is more for advanced players.
That’s unfortunate but listen the advice I can give is to focus on what you’re opponents tend to do and then learn how to punish it no block strings are negative by the nature of fighting games only a few are going to be plus on block learn what you can do when your opponent does something negative if you know they are going to poke just grab them or poke them first
If they always poke, try to notice their pattern. Intercept it with a grab. They will have to start respecting that u can grab them. Just remember that grabs hit high and will miss them if they start delaying their poke or if they duck without blocking. If they start doing that after respecting ur grab option, just start trying to hit them while they are waking up.
You can block there poke and instantly poke them back and it will be a “punish”
“I get blacked” man why you gotta say it like that
@@babyrambo Sorry, I fixed the typos.
If you don't have a quick mid, and you don't want to poke. Just jump forward or step back.
Neither of those get your back your turn it just resets neutral but those are definitely good options
oh yea definitely! i think restting neutral is better than getting your poke blocked and losing your turn though. not a huge fan of pokes in this game (loved them in mk11 though)@@xenoryu
Absolutely agree..What I’m trying to to do with game is find a way to eliminate some of the unnecessary mind games that the game has finding away around pokes was my first step towards that your points are really valid and appreciated
@@Jolfvakabut d1 in mk11 was safe on block. That’s awful though right
Kung lao has a 6 frame starter hit with b1
Kunglao has the best getup kounter on the game I caught soo many aggressive player using that
I just notice that the subscriber button shines in a different color when you say subscribe how did you do that?
Song in the back is not that typa dude- zuriel trees
Any advice for dealin with stagger pressure, into grab spam, it’s something I struggle against ode
Trying moving back or back dash to make the grab whiff sometimes you will make the opponent whiff normal attacks nd punish
Yea dropping a video on this next but for a quick tip:only moves that are -6 or lower can be staggered -7 and up you’ll be able to react to with training
Background music?
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I appreciate you and all the helpful viewers in the chat. Yall are awesome.
Absolutely and no thank you all for watching and sharing your ideas in the comments 😁
good thing at least someone talks about it bro, i am playing reiko and my fasftest mid is 15fr and its clumsy and unsafe and my main mid is 16 fr, lol i cant even land it after i land a successful poke myself
😂😂😂 pokey poke poke
Pity that there are no mids in mk1 except for top tiers
It truly I think they wanted it this way
So enemy poke me to corner and just spam me and nothing work just need block and some mid low frame attack?
This is why NRS games piss me off so much. I was hoping this video was going to show me a better way than poking to get my turn back but now I realize I’m doing what the game intended lol
Yeah unfortunately the only thing you can do is poke first grab walk back or use a fast mix which this game doesn’t not have much of
Hit poke. Follow by 7 frame mid..
Block poke. Poke back. Grab or jump . Very simple
awesome analysis
Smh kitana has 12f mid and I still get mashed on . Hate that
Unfortunately you just have to play the poke game or play a character that has a good mid you can go into consistently
Same it's very hard to recover with her so I use the Scorpion kameo to back pull away.
@@ZensanFGC facts I do it all the time immediately into ex fancy flick lol
You said Shangs mids were "decent"...what 5 characters would you say have the best mids?
Cage, Johhny, Mr international love, funny actor character and obviously Johnny Cage
Smoke doesn’t have a mid starter but his fwd 3 string is a low 12fr starter so that works just as good Johnny,geras, lui kang and nitara
This is amazing. Ty 4 the info!
Shang definitely needs some type of buff idk care if he atleast gets more health, him Nitara an lie mae have low health.
I agree definitely needs some work done ☑️ n those characters
@@xenoryu i disagree ... look at pro players ...on the very high lvl ...Shang is maybe one of the best in the game ... people also things Rain is not good ... but he can also do stuff where u cant even moving . outside Raiden and Baraka ...the game and the characters are overall balanced ... Nitara has also some cool tricks ...
are you saying you should use a mid instead of a poke? not every character is blessed with a fast mid like Kung Lao or Johnny, no offense but this is a dumb suggestion
No it’s just and option and essentially the best way to not get poked on because what happens if they don’t poke?because you’re character doesn’t have a fast mid or maybe you’re afraid to use your mid you poke your opponent and they block it then they get back the turn the point of the video is that you can get trapped in an unnecessary mind game of poking because you have no mids so poke or go into your mid you can also jump or dash back but the best way is to use your mid
After you condition then with a poke but don’t do it too much or else the poke wars will begin
Gotta poke
Helpful video!
Make shang tsung f4 9f his b2 11f and less recovery on fireballs
do you wanna get killed?
As a Shang Tsing main I found this video VERY unhelpful ☹️
If flawless block reversals were here that's how you steal turns lol
Sucks because (at least from what I've played so far imo) flawless blocking in this game seems WAY easier than MK11.
@@xkmuffinzx3915 must be because there are tons of gaps and most move are slow so you gotta a bigger window ...I wish they were here anyway. I think it was balanced, if you do it props to you for the read, if you failed it than a combo.....
@@viniciuslessa3480 they kinda brought that reward mechanic with blocking, if you up block a jump punch you get a block advantage but it's not the same
@@xkmuffinzx3915 yeah I fell you. For me sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't lead to a punish. Thing is: in training mode you can't see how much minus they are when you upblock something because.... because yes according to them... LOL
It's not only about frame its about range some characters have terrible Speed range other not🤬🤬🤬
Shangs mid might be decent but he has one of the best zoning kits (besides arguably Reikos stars) in the game so there had to be some compensation for it to not make him too busted and he has to work more when a opponent actually closes in on him.
It's always the whole tool kit that matters not just one specific point and 1 char suddenly is way better then the other.
No he really doesnt you duck those fireballs and jump once and youre already in shangs face and then he basically loses reiko outzones him and reiko is a grappler
@@LilYungGrabBagJr nice theory but you describe here mindless spamming and not zoning with Anti airs etc.
And one touch from Shang sends you again full screen for more zoning.
Sure there's counterplay but if there wouldn't it would just be busted.
@@TheDarkness4560not to mention kung Lao makes his zoning even better with his hat
@@LilYungGrabBagJryou’re assuming the Shang doesn’t know how to play the game outside of zoning. By the time you get to him, a lot of your health will be chipped and he’ll have close to full bar to break, or to just keep enhancing his fireball on top of having to deal with kung Laos hat
Shang is almost cripple when they put pressure on him
baraka aint even got a mid normal god damn
All his moves and good stuns are his pokes imo I dislike it but it's to keep ppl off me
🤣I’m sure the community will find work around a stay tuned I’ll be covering a lot of mk1 and changes to come to the game
@@ghost-1nklegendary225that's why you start mixing in d4 into df2. It works for now with cyrax but once he's nerfed baraka won't have alot of options to avoid getting mashed on
@@h0dl3r Cant wait for when Baraka players actually have to play the game
Bro said that like the character still isn’t busted lol
This is very character specific vs the title of the video, thumbs down 👎
It’s honestly the same for a lot of characters in the game raiden has a 18fr mid for example and characters that has 12fr mids are in some what a better situation and -5 or lower a 12fr will not be able take back rightful turn