Why Rugby is based on a lie (probably)

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    The origins of Rugby can be traced back to the origins of Soccer. That tale is fairly well known among fans of the egg-shaped ball. But the tale involving William Webb Ellis, that most fans retell, is probably not true.
    Seb Stafford-Bloor explores the true origins of Rugby. Illustrated by Philippe Fenner.
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  • @_JosephRoberto
    @_JosephRoberto หลายเดือนก่อน +599

    The spilt between Rugby Union and Rugby League would be a great topic to cover. It's something that many don't know but is important to know about.

    • @usarugbyleagueunionfan
      @usarugbyleagueunionfan หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @wolfishjtNoticed that too.

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      @wolfishjt Real football ⚽️ is the best and the most entertaining sport in the world ⚽️ ❤

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      @wolfishjt ⚽️ is growing faster and better

    • @lungabiyela9081
      @lungabiyela9081 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Posh people wanted to play an amateur sport, while the working class wanted to professionalise. Split happened, and today, you have to go to posh schools to get recognition as a rugby union player, while league players can attend Croxteth High School.

    • @_JosephRoberto
      @_JosephRoberto หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @lungabiyela9081 read spilt as a certain swear word for a second 🤣 in my opinion, it's a topic worth a video. You can even cover the blacklisting union players got for just talking to league people. I believe the spilt is still felt today.

  • @arjunpaudel8918
    @arjunpaudel8918 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

    Growing up in a village in Nepal we used to play football in fields after school, we had no knowledge of rugby not even heard of it. But after playing football for a while and got tired late in the evening someone would just shout let's remove handball and foul , and all just tried and grab the ball and put it in the goal in pure chaos, later in life i realised it's pretty similar to what Rugby is so i imagine the origin of the sports is pretty similar to this just bunch of people thinking differently

    • @BLACKSTA361
      @BLACKSTA361 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Handball Is a Sport in itself as well

    • @Ballin4Vengeance
      @Ballin4Vengeance 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Spontanious evolution of Australian Rules Football in Nepal.
      Nepal Rules Football if you will.

    • @Dreyno
      @Dreyno 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      We had a game in school in Ireland called “murderball”. Basically you got the ball and ran. Everyone (no teams) would try and get it off you by any means. It usually meant being tackled to the ground and buried under a pile up of people trying to get the ball. One person would eventually get it and take off running with the mob after him.
      There was no points scoring and no rules. Utterly pointless but great fun.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BLACKSTA361 Actually two families of sports by the same name.

    • @realtalk6195
      @realtalk6195 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Rugby football _didn't_ spin-off from association football (soccer) rules. Originally, there were no unified rules for soccer. The rules of a game or tournament of football varied by organizer. Some allowed picking up the ball and some didn't, and the other rules also varied. Eventually people started forming codes to stick by. That's how soccer and rugby diverged. There were Cambridge rules and Sheffield rules for people who wanted to play a sport that was akin to soccer. Then the FA (Football Association) formed who made their own rules. That's why it became known as association football.
      The common sport mutually diverged. But if you want to insist on one splintering from the other, then it would be soccer who branched away from rugby union. At the same time, rugby modified its own rules to discourage kicking and encouraging carrying and throwing the ball.

  • @jyefrancis4980
    @jyefrancis4980 หลายเดือนก่อน +262

    Joe Devine sure knows his stuff he should narrate a purely football channel

    • @justincovert6943
      @justincovert6943 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I don't know might not be enough money in that.

    • @player-ty2sy
      @player-ty2sy หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Ooooh buddy... You not going to believe this...

    • @haydentrumper7473
      @haydentrumper7473 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      If only he had cool hands and a warm embrace

    • @Seeta_sa_gauta
      @Seeta_sa_gauta 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You mean American football?

  • @RevStickleback
    @RevStickleback หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    I think people tend to overlook just how similar all the 'football' games were until the 1860s. Rugby might have evolved from football, but the truth is that rugby is far closer to the original games of the time than football is now. Within a decade or so, they'd changed the offside rule to allow forward passing, banned handling, which lead to the introduction of goalkeepers and heading, added a crossbar, whereas goals could originally be scored at any height, replaced the free 'try' at goal with the corner kick, and introduced the tactic of passing the ball on the floor, among other things, changing it completely from a game mainly based on strength, to one on skill.

  • @indiekid19872
    @indiekid19872 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Nowadays, if a kid picked up a ball and ran with it in a school football match, they'd simply diagnose the boy with ADHD and prescribe Ritalin

    • @HerrCron
      @HerrCron 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Go be boring somewhere else, boomer.

  • @Ese96Agoaye
    @Ese96Agoaye หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    I've always wamted to see Tifo do rugby.

    • @dchegu
      @dchegu หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Tho if they want to do it any justice, they to hire people like squidge n the likes.

  • @zenokada2278
    @zenokada2278 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Most sports originate from England because the elite private schools codified all the laws so most major sports play under the specific rules from 1800s Britain

    • @lukealadeen7836
      @lukealadeen7836 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      no really, English sports just became popular because of the British empire

  • @Gallalad1
    @Gallalad1 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    Most people who play rugby know rugby is a form of football. Hence why its called rugby football. The RFU and IRFU for example stand for the Rugby Football Union and Irish Rugby Football Union respectively. Its one of about half a dozen sports that are football. Of course association football fans like to think otherwise.

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Honestly nfl fans are worse about that. Most of them don't even know the difference between rugby, AFL, rugby league, and GAA

    • @jmill3147
      @jmill3147 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@tsherwood2112 Probably because none of those sports you mentioned are played in the US. Some of us do know the difference though. I find Union to be boring and too many rules involved, but love League/CFL/NFL.

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@jmill3147 American football isn't played in Europe or Australia, yet they know what it is over there. Also how TF do you think rugby union is too slow but watch the NFL 😂
      The NFL is miles slower, no way I'm sitting around for 3 hours to watch a 10 minute game

    • @jmill3147
      @jmill3147 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@tsherwood2112 Sheesh triggered much?? The fact people know what american football is in those other countries is a testament to its popularity.

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@jmill3147 by your logic, Americans would know soccer. But most can't even name a single team. The problem here is that the average American is uncultured and closed-minded (I'm American, I see it on a daily basis)

  • @tsherwood2112
    @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +47

    This is why the meaning of the word "football" has the power to start pub brawls

    • @R.J._Lewis
      @R.J._Lewis หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Yes, there's "the good kind of football"(rugby union), "not quite enough players to make a full side of good football"(rugby league), "upside down football"(Aussie rules), "don't really use feet anymore football" (American football), and of course the OG, "theatrics-minded weiners"(association football).

    • @titussalter8070
      @titussalter8070 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@R.J._Lewisand then there's 7s lol

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@titussalter8070 7s is so unserious. Watching it sucks, but playing at festival style tournaments is fun. Especially for outside backs

    • @eoin8156
      @eoin8156 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ⁠@@tsherwood21127 was great back in the 90s when top players like Lomu etc played. Now it’s mainly players who couldn’t get a second pro contract in 15s.

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@eoin8156 true, but now we're seeing Dupont in 7s. He's the only reason I'll be watching at the Olympics, and I assume many others can say the same

  • @DavidLimofLimReport
    @DavidLimofLimReport หลายเดือนก่อน +71

    This is like the story of Jebediah Springfield.

    • @league_of_ireland_fan
      @league_of_ireland_fan หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I think you mean Hans sprungfeld

    • @DroolingLizard
      @DroolingLizard หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He was great

    • @insertnamehere5809
      @insertnamehere5809 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      "A noble spirit, embiggens the smallest man"

    • @patrickstewart3446
      @patrickstewart3446 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@insertnamehere5809It’s a perfectly cromulant word

  • @Alphoric
    @Alphoric หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    How it probably started was just some group of student football players just thought of playing it slightly different. A game like football can be changed so drastically with few changes so we get so many different forms

    • @patrickporter1864
      @patrickporter1864 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Ceid was the name of the game which was played in tipperarywhere Ellis lived.

  • @elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715
    @elijahtchilembe-mpovie2715 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Can Tifo also cover why rugby Union used the Nazis in France to push away rugby league, and never apologized?

  • @Snookbone
    @Snookbone หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Seeing as Rugby School was the first to ever have written rules for its version of football, it's more accurate to say that every other form of the game we know today came from rugby.

  • @scottmcnaughton539
    @scottmcnaughton539 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    And from the same era a young Tom Will's who was also attending the school, took what he learnt back to Melbourne to create a game for cricketers to keep fit in winter. Merging both football & rugby, we now have Aussie Rules Football.

    • @1bert719
      @1bert719 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Aussie rules also owes a lot to Gaelic football from Irish ex pats. I believe there is now a combination game of the 2 known as international rules football.

    • @insertnamehere5809
      @insertnamehere5809 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tom Wills as a boy also watched & knew of an Aboriginal game called MARN GROOK, which had a ball made with stuffed possum hide & kicked between players

    • @RevStickleback
      @RevStickleback หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      In truth, all of the football games were very similar back then. The diversification of the rules came later.

    • @elzurdorodriguez6650
      @elzurdorodriguez6650 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Ooooh, that's why Aussie rules football field is round-shaped? Because It was originally a cricket field?

    • @RevStickleback
      @RevStickleback 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@elzurdorodriguez6650 A lot of early football clubs were formed by cricketers who wanted a winter sport. It's actually a bit of a surprise that their version was the only one to retain the cricket field shape. It does mean that most of Australia's cricket grounds are far larger, in capacity, than they would be based on cricket crowds.

  • @joefuller1207
    @joefuller1207 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As someone who lives in Rugby and did this stuff for a local history project in school, this was really cool to see. Also pretty wild seeing local landmarks like that statue in a TH-cam video haha. Thanks for making this.

  • @jamespusey7186
    @jamespusey7186 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    huw edwards really summed it up well tbf

  • @alanfox691
    @alanfox691 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Gilbert are the gold
    standard for
    Rugby Union balls become of the unic way they go about, making them.
    No mass manufacturing for Gilbert they make every ball from start to finish buy hand unlike other ball manufacturers.

    • @tsherwood2112
      @tsherwood2112 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Gilbert is the best, Rhino is a distant second. I've used a mitre ball too but it was terrible

  • @PaulHolder
    @PaulHolder หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'd seen previously that as there were no established laws of football at the time the players, at Rugby school and others, would decide on the rules between themselves before each game (and probably change them during as well).
    When boys from that school eventually decided to write down a set of rules based on the versions they played, they included running with the ball etc.
    William Webb Ellis may well have picked up the ball and ran with it but it may also not have been considered a big deal or particularly notable at the time.

    • @jacekatalakis8316
      @jacekatalakis8316 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That sounds similar to what I have been told, that the rules weren't a formal set but more to settle disputes between schools, there was no laws of rugby so to speak but Eton had its rules, Rugby school had its rules, and so on. It was common for boys from each school to carry a small book in their pocket to be able to settle disagreements

  • @CarlinConnolly
    @CarlinConnolly 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Good to see a history vid again - it's been a while but it was watching you fantastic football history vids that got me into Tifo in the first place - when are you going to do a video on Bela Gutman?

  • @aldobonaso3481
    @aldobonaso3481 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    that sudden American accent at the end of the video is rather jarring 🤣

  • @kcrowther5977
    @kcrowther5977 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Many cultures have had kicking ball games but Association Football comes directly from the kicking ball games first played in England.

    • @russelljones2281
      @russelljones2281 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's why it's called soccer

  • @lungabiyela9081
    @lungabiyela9081 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great. But how does this affect the use of the inverted fullback in the Bundesliga today?

  • @OscarOSullivan
    @OscarOSullivan หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Rugby is a lot closer to mob football than association football. The real beginning of rugby was the 1860’s and 1870’s. The six nations is one of the oldest sporting competitions going back to 1883 as the home nations championship.
    The f in either union or league governing bodies stands for football. Garyowen from Limerick are formally known as Garyowen FC. Unlike American and Canadian football kicking is crucial.
    Modern Rugby balls since the 1980’s and 1990’s are not made with leather and pig bladders which have made kicking including drop goals, conversions and penalty kicks more consistent.

  • @saoirsedeltufo7436
    @saoirsedeltufo7436 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Joe Devine's dulcet tones put to rugby? Something I never knew I needed

  • @justincovert6943
    @justincovert6943 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    They did the same thing with baseball. I believe in 1920's the created the story of Doubleday, creating a brand new sport to make it less British. In reality Baseball is a derivative of British Rounders, and has forms of Cricket.

    • @CCNYMacGuy
      @CCNYMacGuy หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yup. "Hey, some random old guy claims that a famous Civil War general also invented our National Pastime™? Let's just go with that!"

    • @guyfaux3978
      @guyfaux3978 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@CCNYMacGuy In Cooperstown NY of all places, hitherto known as the family seat of James Fenimore Cooper's family, prompting the question of whether Natty Bumppo played baseball, or more likely lacrosse.

    • @Fatblue246
      @Fatblue246 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      eh there evidence of the rounders link is pretty questionable also. we realistically don’t entirely know where baseball came from besides the fact that the modern code of the game was based off a variant being played in Canada at the time adapted by north eastern Americans sometime in the 1800’s. It clearly has rounders influence but you can say this about any bat and ball game they all have similarities and neither rounders, cricket, nor baseball are the oldest of these types of sports. The Doubleday story is some revisionism though for sure lol

    • @normanstevens4924
      @normanstevens4924 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Fatblue246 If you weren't familiar with either game you'd be hard pressed to distinguish between rounders and baseball. They could be played on the same field with the same equipment and use the same skills.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@normanstevens4924 More like rounders and slow pitch softball.

  • @PatrickHall55
    @PatrickHall55 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Rugby Football *DID NOT* evolve from Association Football. Both descended from a myriad of football games, and codified their own rules.

    • @PatrickHall55
      @PatrickHall55 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is why Association Football should still be called "Soccer".

  • @rhysjones2786
    @rhysjones2786 หลายเดือนก่อน

    1:45 funny how two of those cups shown aren’t used to this day 😂

  • @AfricanCorn-np8jt
    @AfricanCorn-np8jt หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Would love to see more Rugby content tbh such an underrated sport much more better than soccer maybe you could even do a video on the NBA

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      Real football ⚽️ is the best and the most entertaining sport in the world ⚽️ ❤

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⚽️ is growing faster and better

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      Real football ⚽️ is the greatest sport of all time ⚽️❤️

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      @wolfishjt American football, basketball, and hockey have fake injuries

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      @wolfishjt If real football ⚽️ is boring, then how is real football ⚽️ the most popular and most watched sport in the world

  • @KACHUKHA
    @KACHUKHA 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Very nice animation!

  • @fanofcodd
    @fanofcodd 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In medieval history , In Italy and also in France , maybe elsewhere too , during some festivities , there was a game , village against village , where people had to put a ball on in front of the other village church.
    No rules , infinite field , but still I think some similarities can be found
    Refreshed my memory with some researsh , look at Castio storico for Italy and La soule for French.
    The french one is quite funny , 200 players with games lasting a week or until everyone gave up

  • @Yamikani
    @Yamikani หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was this channel advertised on the Football channel

  • @dazzza111
    @dazzza111 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Do a video on Gaelic Football and Hurling 🫡

    • @alanfox691
      @alanfox691 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Would it get the viewing numbers though that is the thing.
      I would watch it.

    • @cian69
      @cian69 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alanfox691sure like even people would watch it to learn about it lol

    • @flamingfrancis
      @flamingfrancis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alanfox691 You would be aware then that Irish Gaelic Football is played as a merged International sport with Aussie Rulles? Annual International Rules championships are played between All Irish and All Australian teams.

  • @IFCGaming
    @IFCGaming หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Oh my god. A non American sport being covered?
    Please more of this!!

  • @J-K-A
    @J-K-A หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It’s almost like the name football wasn’t related to the use of the foot on the ball.

    • @Pesso86
      @Pesso86 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I’ve heard somewhere that foot refers to the size of the ball, not the fact that you kick it

    • @bobrong9645
      @bobrong9645 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Pesso86
      Heard that it might refer to the fact that the players were on foot, i.e. not on horses like polo.
      A bit like "foot soldier".

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Both of those are canards. The term was originally related to the use of the foot (rather than hands or sticks) on the ball, but the game kept that name while branching into a family that even included one from centuries back that outlawed all playing of the ball by feet under any circumstances.
      The earliest football found was much smaller than a foot in diameter, and there are many ball games where the players are on foot that we don't call "foot ball". Not only that, but ball games played on horseback are very uncommon, while those played on foot, whatever you call them, are common.

  • @jennybrown-fu6rd
    @jennybrown-fu6rd 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I grew up in the town of rugby and i went to rugby school. And somehow i didn't know this😂

  • @dude9318
    @dude9318 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I like how you do different sports
    Not just football
    Very cool 👍

  • @christopherharvie8716
    @christopherharvie8716 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eton’s form of football is a precursor Australian Football. It came about as a hybrid of this game and Rugby.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Eton has two forms of football, so which one do you mean? The field game or the wall game?

    • @flamingfrancis
      @flamingfrancis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      As stated earlier, Aussie Rules is generally believed to have derived out of the Indigenous game os MarnGrook. The man generally considered to have adopted the game did so for cricketers to play in the off season . The Melbourne Cricket Ground is considered the home of Aussie Rules.
      p.s. those Indigenous peoples are considered the longest living culture on Earth dating some 60,000 years.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@flamingfrancis And not even *generally* believed; that was just a propaganda rumor circulated long after the fact. It's unlikely the first people to play that form of football were even *aware* of MarnGrook, as they had no contact with the autochtonous Australian race. Plus, the feature people now liken to MarnGrook -- the high balls and fair catches -- weren't even a prominent feature of early Aussie football, but came in much later -- and not by some observation of MarnGrook, but because a fair catch had been a feature of various British football games for some time.
      Not only that, but the primary impetus for developing the game wasn't even by cricketeers looking for something to fill the off season, but by people who specifically wanted to play a football game, and eventually found cricket ovals suitable and available after they'd initially played football on rectangular fields.

  • @Prestigiazioneit
    @Prestigiazioneit 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    rugby didn't evolve from football. they started with common roots, from a bunch of games called "football". And a lot of inaccuracies on the script.

  • @alanfox691
    @alanfox691 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Do a video on
    Aussie Rules Football
    that would be of interest.

    • @TheStubertos
      @TheStubertos 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I was watching Gaelic football the other day and (not knowing any about either sports) couldn't help but draw a lot of comparisons between Aussie Rules and Gaelic Football. There must be a link there somewhere.

    • @HerrCron
      @HerrCron 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@TheStubertos The myth goes that Irish convicts sent to Australia brought it with them, but that's likely a load of bollox. The game we know as Gaelic football today was codified in 1887 and AFL got its start in 1858. AFL, much like rugby was most likely derived from 'football' played in English public schools, but we'll probably never know for certain.

    • @ifldiscovery8500
      @ifldiscovery8500 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@HerrCron Irish populations were small compared to English populations that were migrated to Australia so that story is fasle too.

    • @HerrCron
      @HerrCron 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ifldiscovery8500 what is it you think k you're contributing here?

    • @flamingfrancis
      @flamingfrancis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@TheStubertos There is and has been for some years. Both nations play an International Rules series annually.

  • @rhyswilliams4893
    @rhyswilliams4893 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    He may not have invented it but everything needs an unbelievable origin story

  • @harryfurphy1491
    @harryfurphy1491 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    lie or not i love Rugby. I've been watching it since i was a knee high with my dad. One of the big things i love about this sport is at the end of the match I'll happily buy the winning team or losing teams supporters a pint and chat about the game after.

  • @BroadwayJoe99
    @BroadwayJoe99 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So for all intents and purposes, William Webb Ellis is to rugby as Abner Doubleday is to baseball - a mythical "creator" anointed as such by others.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But at least in Doubleday's case it can be disproven, while in Ellis's it can't, though it is extremely far fetched. It's not even known whether the game originated at Rugby School or just became popular there.

    • @BroadwayJoe99
      @BroadwayJoe99 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @goodmaro English "public schools" often had their own unique games of "football", and some probably still do. Rugby Football became what it is today because of the network of Rugby School alumni taking "their" game with them wherever they went.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@BroadwayJoe99 The schools don't even have to be English. We developed a line of games with a Spaldeen to be played at particular features of walls and fences at Horace Mann School. But rugby football became popular to play in and around Rugby (geographically) before alumni spread it significantly anywhere. And soon club play became far more influential in development of the game than alumni were.
      The one significant influence the institution itself had on sports (especially youth sports) generally was via the novel set there, _Tom Brown's School Days_ . Its influence seems to have been greater in the USA than in Britain, because public schools were already known about extensively in Britain.

  • @SportsSpirit1
    @SportsSpirit1 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Create a video on ringball

  • @bautistachasseing7164
    @bautistachasseing7164 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great video!
    You got to do a video on Nelson Mandela and Rugby someday! No sport is as important for a country as Rugby of South Africa, it’s incredibly interesting. And it is an opportunity to talk about Apertheid and racism. I just read an interview Hugo Porta did (Argentinian Rugby Legend) in which he talked about it, he played matches in South Africa during Apertheid and was the Argentinian ambassador in the country during De Klerk and Mandela’s government.

    • @jondnz
      @jondnz 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      "No sport is as important for a country as Rugby of South Africa"..............have you heard of New Zealand and a small team called "All Blacks"?

    • @bautistachasseing7164
      @bautistachasseing7164 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@jondnz Did rugby in New Zealand play a part in anything as important for the country as the end of apertheid in South Africa?

    • @BP__15
      @BP__15 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@bautistachasseing7164All Blacks Rugby is truly synonymous with NZs national identity at levels of life there so Jon is not wrong but I also understand what you’re saying about 1995 RWC impact on SA politics as well, you’re both right about how important Rugby is to both countries 👊🏽.

    • @bautistachasseing7164
      @bautistachasseing7164 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@BP__15 what a nice dude 😄

    • @jondnz
      @jondnz 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@bautistachasseing7164 Not directly but, the protests associated with 1981 Springbok tour to New Zealand were pretty significant

  • @MbisonBalrog
    @MbisonBalrog 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I want American Gridiron Football split from Rugby vid

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That wasn't born from a split. It developed on its own. From Wikipedia:
      "The sport developed from informal games played in North America during the 19th century. Early games had a variety of local rules and were generally similar to modern rugby union and soccer. The earliest recorded instance of gridiron football occurred at University of Toronto's University College in November 1861. Later in the 1860s, teams from universities were playing each other, leading to more standardized rules and the creation of college football. "

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@joelmonteiro1419 That description is misleading at best. The similarity to modern Rugby Union and soccer can be said to cover all the ground of football, in that all football is similar to all other football, *generally.* That really says nothing. The game wasn't even referred to as taking place "on the gridiron" until 1882 when the lines across every 5 yards were instituted, and not until many years later in Canadian football (depending on provincial union), so it would be silly to refer to that 1861 rugby match as "gridiron football".
      But what we now call Canadian and American football (though by no means all football in America) were definitely types of rugby, and if there can be said to have been a split, it was on the part of the Rugby Football Union in England, which in 1878 instituted a requirement to put the ball down immediately after a tackle. Canadian and American football continued the earlier style, which allowed the tackled player to take his time returning the ball to play.

  • @vishveshtadsare3160
    @vishveshtadsare3160 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rugby started when one footballer said 'fck the rules!'

  • @vlada
    @vlada 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    First international match? Isnt that supposed to be between two countries? That's right up there with world series.😂

  • @TheBliksempie
    @TheBliksempie 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Actually the name Rugby is short for Rugby Football, which is a varient of football played the same as Aussie Rules football, Galic Football and American Football and this is the reason why Football is also called Soccer in a large part of the world. Most governing bodies are called "Rugby Football Union", thus refering to football being played according to the Rugby varient. The William Web Ellis legend was generally accepted as the most probable origin of the Rugby Football varient when the game of Rugby Union was being promoted to a broader audience. The game was widely played in Europe, especially in France and the British colonies. One other strong claim to the origins of the game is the Welsh claim, but it was never called football, hence disgarded.

  • @slobberkissintl3548
    @slobberkissintl3548 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I don't understand how there could be a rule to not do something if no one had ever thought to do it
    A eureka moment?

  • @nabhannbn
    @nabhannbn หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:10 football not association football⚽️
    Football back then can be played with both hand and foot different citie. Colleges have their own version of football , then in 1863 FA made some rule and that becames the football ⚽️ as of today

  • @northamericanintercontinen3207
    @northamericanintercontinen3207 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Then how rugby evolved into gridiron football both American and Canadian ?

  • @sammenhennet
    @sammenhennet 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Aussie Rules evolved in a similar way, also partially being inspired by the Aboriginal game Marngrook.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except, nobody at the time seems to have expressed any such idea.

  • @maikotter9945
    @maikotter9945 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In American Football, a brain injury is more certain, than the opposite, even with helmets on!

    • @andrewthomson870
      @andrewthomson870 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes but in America it's harder to diagnose. 😆

    • @user-xb8tc3tc8t
      @user-xb8tc3tc8t 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Helmets possibly add to brain injuries, I think they are doing scientific studies on it.

  • @salt1956
    @salt1956 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The outright theft of assets belonging to the Rugby League by the Rugby Union in France during WWII is a topic it would be good to cover (while on the subject of lies, disregard for laws and thuggish behaviour).

  • @RedLorryYellowLorry_
    @RedLorryYellowLorry_ 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I heard William Webb Ellis is a South African

  • @JonnyLewisFilms
    @JonnyLewisFilms หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about a video on how World Rugby tier 1 nations continually block tier 2 nations from joining big tournaments like the 6 Nations and the Rugby Championship? in 2026 the new Nations League (aka Nations Championship) will begin but it will only be contested and owned by the tier 1 nations. They say there may be promotion and relegation for tier 2 nations, but only starting in 2031. This is essentially rugbys version of soccer European Super League, but in soccer the fans, media, FIFA and UEFA put a stop to it, meanwhile in Rugby, the World Rugby org have given it their full backing. Also in Rugby only the tier 1 unions have any real voting power on the World Rugby Board, and they keep voting to keep the tier 2 unions down. A video on this would be fantastic. Thanks

  • @flamingfrancis
    @flamingfrancis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Well then...have you considered the possibilities of the early English explorers to Australia from Captain Cook's time (60 years prior to this) had observed and chronicled the Australian Indigenous people playing their game called MarnGrook. Cook's people had documented that they observved the locals playing a game with a stuffed animal (wombat) skin and that is thought to be a forerunner to the game of Australian Rules which has foundation Clubs established in the 1850's.
    SInce these Indigenous people are known to be the oldest surviving culture on planet Earth from around 60,000 years ago it is likely that their game has been around for a very long time.
    Aussie Indigenous players also became masters at RU, proof of which lies in a team designated as the Wallaby Invincibles that toured Britain and Ireland in 1984.

    • @BrandonjSlippingAway
      @BrandonjSlippingAway 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah but nah. The truth is ultimately very simple. The concept of "football" is a very basic one, and almost all cultures have had some folk version of it played in the distant past from Marn Grook, to ancient Chinese football, to Calcio Storico

  • @kgotsomodise
    @kgotsomodise หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    1:38 Pig’s Bladder?

    • @graduatestev
      @graduatestev 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes, rugby balls were originally made using pigs bladders.

    • @flamingfrancis
      @flamingfrancis 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pig's skin was once used for the casing so why not other parts.

  • @gerrih3483
    @gerrih3483 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The new scrummage rules will make it even more of a lie...

  • @Madjiul
    @Madjiul 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Some kid broke the rules n had a damn statue erected in his honour? 😂 I should have 5 statues at least

  • @mpumelelobeyers957
    @mpumelelobeyers957 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Fun fact ; Nelson Mandela became and still remains Rugbys' greatest marketing 'prop '(no pun intended) 💯❤️

  • @Chip_in
    @Chip_in 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rugby...smashed him bro ⛳

  • @kuntowijoyo9353
    @kuntowijoyo9353 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    why it took rugby so long to professionalize?

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd love to see a video on that.

  • @United_Wings
    @United_Wings 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Interesting 🤔

  • @domenstrmsek5625
    @domenstrmsek5625 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I myself love rugby Union because I find it more interesting and a male sport. Realistically, in my country it is sadly nonexsistant (in addition to football it is still possible to watch American football, but not Rugby )and I can watch online. Otherwise, besides karate and mma the most interesting sport

  • @closelaugh185
    @closelaugh185 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Only England could invent a game and lose the first international match lmao

  • @gnomevoyeur
    @gnomevoyeur 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just intuitively, the Webb Ellis story makes no sense. It must have been more complex. In it's simple form, he would have just been penalised for breaking the rules of the game.
    Determining the history of modern codes suffers from a dearth of written history through the middle of the 19th century because they were still mostly school yard games. Purely based on written codes, it appears that Australian Rules Football is the senior code - largely written by Tom Wills, a former school master from Rugby School and the collegiate form of American Football emerged soon after.
    The rivalry between Rugby and Soccer was heated in England in the 1870s during the early years of the Football Association. They Webb Ellis mythology appeared at around this time and appears to have been based on the 30+ year old memories of an old boy. Tellingly, the first FA cup had a set of rules including handling and when the rules were updated for the second season (probably by the enthusiastic administrator, Charles Alcock), to more closely reflect the non-handling Winchester game, many of the inaugural clubs dropped out, to return several years later as members of the initial Rugby Union.
    I don't think any code can legitimately be determined as first, all the differences are somewhat fine threads that are lost in the midst of time.

    • @gnomevoyeur
      @gnomevoyeur 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      PS - I'm somewhat dismissing the 1845 written rugby code as it is so different to modern Rugby. It's much more closely aligned with the 1858 rules of Australian Football.

    • @goodmaro
      @goodmaro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gnomevoyeur I disagree with that overall judgment, although there were some points of similarity. What does seem to have been cribbed from Australian football, not from 1858 but later, was Gaelic football.
      However, the traces of the rivalry between rugby and soccer still show up as the RFU's adoption of "laws of the game". Until then rugby football had been played by "rules", but since the Football Association had gotten highfalutin establishing "laws", the RFU must've felt they had to keep up.

  • @rich45davis
    @rich45davis 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    big up my family from Rugby.

  • @SkaldfraNorden
    @SkaldfraNorden หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why is the outro guy American? It's just....wrong

  • @Trajan2401
    @Trajan2401 29 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yes i doubt it was as simple as a boy picking a ball up and running with it the Georgians have a game similar to rugby called Lelo that they've played for centuries

  • @ntsakomathebula4840
    @ntsakomathebula4840 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So

  • @yamkelasaleni4742
    @yamkelasaleni4742 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The South African Springboks are Rugby World Cup Champions btw.

  • @User47HD
    @User47HD 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Soccer became Rugby, like a boy becomes a MAN.

  • @Namadadi_iddi
    @Namadadi_iddi 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I wonder about American football now😂

  • @mochabear88
    @mochabear88 หลายเดือนก่อน

    neat

  • @user-ev9oe7db5h
    @user-ev9oe7db5h หลายเดือนก่อน

    🇿🇦❤

  • @thembelanihdlamini5395
    @thembelanihdlamini5395 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Rugby is a place in England 🤣

  • @patrickad3065
    @patrickad3065 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Everything the athletic touches turns to tabloidic garbage.
    This video was entirely too brief to serve a purpose.

  • @mitchhak2
    @mitchhak2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A Webb gets famous for something he didn’t do...hmm...

  • @zytrik1
    @zytrik1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rugby football is related to association football? Wow, who would have thought 🙄🤦‍♂️

  • @eamonncduffy
    @eamonncduffy หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do rugby league please

  • @realchestro2986
    @realchestro2986 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙃

  • @jyefrancis4980
    @jyefrancis4980 หลายเดือนก่อน

    first?

    • @Snookbone
      @Snookbone หลายเดือนก่อน

      Shut up

  • @edsonmakiyi71
    @edsonmakiyi71 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    And then they taught the South Africans how to play it,,, 😊 biggest mistake they ever did

  • @NhlanhlaMathe
    @NhlanhlaMathe หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Then a country in the southern most tip of Africa would go on to be the greatest rugby nation the planet has ever seen 🏆🏆🏆🏆

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I love the boks but you guys sure as cocky. You have every right to be but the History of rugby is still being written.

    • @NhlanhlaMathe
      @NhlanhlaMathe 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joelmonteiro1419 as of present day, South Africa is a juggernaut of the sport... I'm sorry these facts make upset, Joel.

    • @joelmonteiro1419
      @joelmonteiro1419 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@NhlanhlaMathe they don't upset me, the Boks are my favorite international team after Portugal.

    • @NhlanhlaMathe
      @NhlanhlaMathe 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joelmonteiro1419 So what's cocky about stating facts?

  • @d.b.cooper1
    @d.b.cooper1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Was going so well till that bloody yank accent ruined the ending

  • @BoereViking
    @BoereViking หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Ahhh Rugby, like American Football but for men...

    • @alanfox691
      @alanfox691 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Over simplicittion buy yourself there.

    • @NIDELLANEUM
      @NIDELLANEUM หลายเดือนก่อน

      *Gentlemen, Rugby is a gentleman's game

    • @Snookbone
      @Snookbone หลายเดือนก่อน

      Feel free to come join my team at training and see how you get on

    • @pacevoez1929
      @pacevoez1929 หลายเดือนก่อน

      and more simple

    • @jmill3147
      @jmill3147 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny how whenever rugby players try to catch on the NFL they flame out within a year.

  • @blindbunker777
    @blindbunker777 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Did u know that Rugby DIDN'T evolve from football champ? William Webb Ellis never picked up the ball & ran with it because it was never on the ground in the first place ffs. Check Tony Collins research & get an understanding of a topic before failing it from ur opening line.

  • @danielemerson312
    @danielemerson312 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    William Webb-Ellis was, according to contemporary accounts, much keener on Cricket and a pretty accomplished player. That origin myth was just the first of the lies that the code has swathed itself in over the decades.
    And that's before we get to Rugby Union's enthusiastic cosying-up to some of the vilest regimes of the 20th century. The French using the invading Nazis in the 1930s to help eliminate sports they saw as competition, Peter Howard (the England Rugby Union captain) being the leader of the gang of racist thugs that Oswald Mosley (leader of the British Union of Fascists) hired as protection and Rugby Union's close association with apartheid and the Afrikaner-Broederbond in South Africa, among others.
    And yet few sports have tried to claim some form of moral superiority as often. Except maybe golf.

  • @sakariatangeni6203
    @sakariatangeni6203 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Racist now

  • @mphomothle5430
    @mphomothle5430 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stick to football bro. Rugby ain’t for you.

  • @matteotc
    @matteotc หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Worst sport In history

    • @AfricanCorn-np8jt
      @AfricanCorn-np8jt หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Said by a soccer fan

    • @Snookbone
      @Snookbone หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      It's alright, you can admit the Laws are too complex for you.

    • @thurmanmerman2720
      @thurmanmerman2720 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I never understand why soccer fans are so insecure that they have to constantly attack all the other forms of football.

    • @denok411
      @denok411 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Soccer fans only know and play soccer, don't have diversity and complexity of life

    • @SenuraKumara-ii5rq
      @SenuraKumara-ii5rq หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AfricanCorn-np8jt Real football ⚽️ is way better

  • @Musydid911
    @Musydid911 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Proof Rugby isn't a real sport.

  • @ibdean1873
    @ibdean1873 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Trying to spin up some controversy with this video title? 🤣 I feel like it didn't quite land the way you wanted it to with 100k views