Original FMA is better than Brotherhood
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Finally someone who get the beauty of the original full metal that shit is goated
Finally someone who agrees
Almost every clown I know thinks that brotherhood is better, and I have no idea why. Less fleshed out characters, more characters with less time to get attached, unrelatable bad guys, a much more predictable bad guy of the week style main villain.
To be clear, I'm not saying brotherhood is bad, it just doesn't have the same depth and personality of the original.
Y’all almost made me cry🥲
Yes it's pretty underrated😢 but i like fma brotherhood more than org series ( everyone opinion is diff)
For me as someone that read the manga, 03 feel more like a true open world journey of discovery while brotherhood feels more like a back to back train ride of mysteries. My main problem with fmab is how they handled the beginning. Episode 1 kinda outwardly spoils a pretty important detail in the plot that never was foreshadowed in the manga until it was revealed- both The country and the main city in the fma universe can be used as a transmutation circle.
to me, its more like fma and fmab are like different universes, like parallel universes even with the major difference being the product of human transmutation, bcuz in fma what you get from a human transmutation is a homunculus, thus birthing another interesting plotline there. Like what happened to ed and als mom.
Idk it depends on what outcome u prefet
Remember. Volume 8 Extras of the FMA manga clearly shows Arakawa being present and happy working with and guiding the anime staff to make a different take on the FMA universe.
So maybe try and take her attitude and be excited about how different the anime ended up compared to the manga instead of automatically denying it a chance to speak. That's what she would've wanted.
This guy guy can’t let go of the past attack of Titan story line is crazy
I mean, if he hasn’t even gotten past season 2, he doesn’t even know the storyline let’s be honest lol
@@miki49 he left when AoT peaked, so at least he got the best it had to offer
Honestly i think the second take is way more insane and that's coming from an attack on titan fan
No, it's reasonable
Watch Lowart and Goat Jesus’ comparison series, it’s really not that uncommon of a take and there’s a ton of reasons to prefer the 03 adaptation
I disagree fma2003 has more emotion to it
I agree with this man on both accounts. Brotherhood greed doesn't hit the same as OG fma
Fax
Nah, 03 Greed is great but Brotherhood Greed gets more development.
Yeah I completely agree on the second one fma2003 is literally my favorite anime ever with how they handled the series lol idk I just like how more tragic it is lmao
Second take is just a fact.
Its not terrible but the directors not knowing the identities of half the homunculi, not knowing kimblees philosophy, not knowing about envy’s death, Hoenhiems backstory, the shape of the country, Ling, Fu, Lan fan, Olivier, Miles, Grumman and like half the cast…it suffered. They only had like 20 % of the manga and they tried their best to piece together a coherent story from it but…it’s just so messy.
@@syntheticreality549All the things you listed are actually positives for me. It's way, way tighter. They could be negatives if you accept that being closer to the manga is inherently the preferable outcome, which I don't necessarily think is true. I personally prefer 2003 to the manga as well. If you forget about its relationship to the manga for a bit, I think 2003 is a significantly better show in the parts that matter. Shamballa is garbage, though.
@@syntheticreality549They knew about all of these things. She told them where her story was going. You can see they pulled from it even later on.
Different =\= worse.
@@emanuilspasov3678Shamballa is great too.
I 100% agree with these takes and have made numerous essays on them
🤓
Kinda want to see those essays
@@Avada_ontop here’s an AOT one:
So I can only speak for season 1 as I haven’t watched past there for AOT, I’m pretty convinced that it will get better and will ease many of my issues but oh boy do I have a lot to go off about.
I really don’t like Tetsurō Araki’s directing style, it’s very loud and in your face in a way that exaggerates base emotions to a point where it feels more like trying to emotionally and tonally hand hold the audience and just lacks subtlety for the most part. There are some times where this pays off very nicely but so often I just find myself getting annoyed or getting broken out of immersion.
I’m not a fan of mystery box writing styles, it often feels like the cheapest way to build audience engagement and usually the payoffs never live up to the hype they try to string you along to getting there. You just kind of get narratively blue balled most of the time, so even if AOT does manage to land these mystery boxes in later seasons this type of narrative device/structure has just left such a bad taste in my mouth that the time spent trying to get there is going to hurt my personal enjoyment. Beyond that I’ve found the more a series tries to dangle questions in your face and hype up the possibility of answers the more impossible it gets for said answers to be rewarding/live up to the hype.
I find the theming to oftentimes be very surface level and shallow, and it’s attempts at commenting on real world concepts are about as lazy and un-nuanced as they come. A very strong example of this was its look at religion and how it criticized it with the “wall religion” where really all it has to say is “oh hey look at these people and the ridiculous stuff they believe aren’t they stupid for believing this religion.” I don’t have a problem with criticizing religion, I love FMA03 and how cynical on it 03 would get at times, I liked the criticisms of it used in the original planet of the apes, etc... but Attack on Titan takes such a comedically stupid exaggeration of what it is criticizing without any attempts at exploration or nuance, while trying to play it straight that it loses anything interesting that can be looked at with its ideas. It really just feels like “I’m 14 and this is deep,” and while the wall religion was by far the most egregious the other ideas looked into in season 1 weren’t much better. I’m sure it gets better and I know the later seasons have a lot more complexity but wow was this season aggravating.
Deaths which fill the show in order to create a sense of danger and tension don’t exactly work for me since they are all just used on redshirts and used for shock value. Deaths don’t affect the characters (aside from Jean being affected by I think his name was Marco) making it beg the question of why should the audience care, it doesn’t effect existing dynamics or change narrative directions, it just feels cheap. And by only killing off red shirts it actually does the opposite of its intended effect as it left me assured that everyone who dies is just going to be a redshirt. Then again it’s hard to tell the difference when just about every character has the amount of development you would expect of a well constructed redshirt, which leads to my final gripe.
All the characters are very one note, like the author thought giving the characters quirks meant they had personality or was a substitute for having a personality. The characters felt like they were exaggerations of prior conceptions of a character like when comedy shows go on too long and flanderize their characters. Aside from jean there really weren’t any arcs and his development would be described as slugs can evolve a bit, but even then. Instead they just had a single quirk defining them as a person and hoped that would be enough to endear you to them before they were eaten Mikasa just wants Eren to bone her, there’s the girl who is fascinated by Titans (comedically to the point where it seems like arousal,) Potato girl likes eating, Armin is smart but cowardly and Eren mostly just hates Titans (not that that isn’t reasonable, and he admittedly also had aspirations for seeing the outside world so that’s something but I expect more for a main character.) so none of the characters intrigued me enough to make me care so deaths in the show either left me unaffected or worse mildly amused when there was supposed to be tension.
I would hope and assume these characters have gotten more complex and developed since then, I actually know Eren supposedly has had a lot of development but as of season 1, man did it kill my investment and make it bad.
I haven’t watched this show since 2015. Hopefully once I rewatch it when the show completely concludes it will be more to my liking (or I might just read the manga cause then I at least don’t have Araki’s directing. No shame if you like his directing he’s good at doing what he does it just isn’t the way I like my media presented)
@@Avada_ontop here’s one covering one of the least controversial takes I’ve had regarding the two adaptations, the quality of the two’s opening acts.
(This comment is being pulled from a larger thread, and was originally a rebuttal to someone else’s claims about the introductions)
Spoiler warning
I really strongly disagree I think this bombardment of characters early on really is a detriment to the episode and most of the appearances don’t work well as introductions. With the exception of Hughes who’s introduction is great here (just wanted to get that out of the way,) many of the characters have rather weak introductions that don’t really do a good job to establish what their character is about, or has trouble easing into the character or brings about other problems. Firstly we don’t start off on our main characters in a decision that doesn’t seem very artistically motivated, they aren’t really presented with anything in the way of a personal goal, and the episode really doesn’t focus on them at all at least not on an emotional narrative level. Mustang’s introduction is especially weak with him largely being used as a joke which is much worse at introducing him than his introduction in the battle on the train, an issue that becomes especially bad when you realize his next appearance is when he is used as a joke again when facing scar (a joke which only properly lands when it is coming from a place of understanding that Mustang is generally an absolute badass) which is the only other point in the series this joke is done, which really does a poor job at establishing the actual character. Kimblee’s is just added bombardment to the already expository and introduction dense episode, if this is a reintroduction of course this bombardment isn’t a problem and is changed from bombardment to a promise of greatness and is fairly hype, but as a part of an introduction episode it really only hurts the episodes ability to better focus on its main characters. Armstrong’s reveal is very unceremonious and he’s just plopped in there but it does a fine enough job at showing what he’s about, however it states to the viewer that he’s a major player which takes away all the tension when he fights scar in episode 5, where in the other versions it is presented like he could be something more or he could just be a redshirt which makes the fight very tense. Bradley out right spoils his reveal, which is another problem this episode has when being an introduction is spoilers and reveal undercutting. The lap dissolve from a transmutation circle to central then transition to Bradley where the biggest focus of the Bradley shot is the map of amestris which is like a 50/50 on spoiling the nation wide transmutation circle. The reveals of Ed’s automail, Al’s body, and clap alchemy (this one in large part because how the episode does little to nothing to really establish normal transmutations where you actively draw the circle) are all much more poorly done than the reveals in episode 1 of 03 and the Liore chapter and only serve to undercut this moment in the Liore episode and make it feel redundant and bloated.
Over all though in spite of that negativity I do really like the episode, just not as an introduction. I think it works quite well as a reintroduction but is pretty awful as an initial introduction.
For the Liore story It does a much stronger job at really looking into our main characters and does a great job using rose as a foil to them in order to explore the overarching thesis statement of all versions, that is, never turning away from the truth, along with other large overarching themes of looking towards the future/moving forward, and Ed’s character arc of truly accepting death. It’s hook with the failed transmutation is much stronger (and showing my bias here is probably my favorite opening scene in anime) doing a fantastic job at establishing alchemy, intriguing the viewer, and following the Greek structuring of starting with tragedy to establish empathy. Back to the concept of establishing alchemy this episode/chapter does an excellent job with this showing us a failed transmutation that kick starts everything and really captures the vibe (science crossed with ritual magic) then we are shown our first successful transmutation which also shows the public’s general perception of alchemy establishing it as a rare skill and demonstrating equivalent exchange implicitly, and then Cornello’s miracles that break equivalent exchange as it gets discussed explicitly all before Ed’s clap alchemy which then gets the proper reverence such a feat deserves in large part because this build up. Then to Rose’s character and how her journey mirror’s what the boy’s experienced (and in 03 will once again experience, but I’ll get to that later) with Rose yearning to bring back a loved one unable to move forward choosing not to accept the truth out of hope and fear that giving up that hope would break her, with the brothers seeing this and wanting to save her from the same mind set but also understanding she is the only one who can ultimately accept this for herself. The whole time Ed is coming off as cocky and cynical there is this underlying regret that really sells what his character is really all about, an idea that comes to the forefront as his automail is revealed as demands that Rose doesn’t look away from the consequences (in a shot that is absolutely beautifully done I might add). Then for 03 in particular there is the extreme importance Liore has to later arcs of the show that definitely warrants it being done so early. You have Rose coming back emblematic of the wake Ed left behind him and the world outside his dreams that he wasn’t acknowledging and how this ties into his growth from the first episode where his concern was first and foremost about getting Al his body back and Liore came second, to now when he’s seen the effect individual’s have the responsibility to the world at large he takes on. You have the thematic mirroring with the religious themes and Ed once again mirroring rose as this time the rug is pulled out from under him as his beliefs in equivalent exchange are disproven, how he wants to reject this reality and unfairness but ultimately comes to accept yet still move forward and is made all the better for doing so. These parallels were so strong that the team even gave the Liore episodes and the last episodes the same very unique color palette with the gold primary color scheme and purple used in the shadows. To me it’s like night and day, in regards to which is better at introducing the brothers, the mechanics, and overarching themes of the story.
Then for other matters of early introduction stuff Maria Ross’ is far more effective in 03 while in brotherhood it’s almost a joke to say she gets an introduction. In 03 the way her introduction is does an excellent job in showing what this version of Ross is about and immediately establishes the start of her and Ed’s mini-arcs that take place over the course of the following 3 episodes.
Trisha gets like less than a minute of screen time in the flash back which is really not good for establishing her importance to the brothers especially when juxtaposed with how well they adjusted to life afterwards with them largely spending the episode with the Rockbells. Admittedly she doesn’t get much time in the manga parallel chapter but that is largely because the role of said chapter is entirely different with the brothers finally looking back on what they did instead of running away from their mistake with the juxtaposition of the island showing how the failed Izumi, and coming at a point in the story where it no longer would make sense to use it to establish investment as that has long since been established as we’re like 13 chapters in. Then 03 on the other hand does a phenomenal job at utilizing Trisha, fleshing her out as a character, and explore Ed and Al’s dynamic and how much they depend on Trisha, this episode is tragic and gut wrenching as it puts you in the boy’s shoes as they witness their mom die.
Izumi’s introductory chapter is largely better handed by the inclusion of Chico the cat and its connections to the themes at large
@@Avada_ontop here’s one covering brotherhood’s ending:
The ending of Brotherhood is worse than the ending of 03. And both endings have serious weaknesses to them that don’t elevate them above the rest of either series. But both are still good endings but neither is an incredibly great ending.
Explanations: I really didn’t like the battle with father. It was visually and conceptually really unappealing to me. It was just a bunch of people spamming uninspired projectiles at an enemy as the enemy just puts up a force field, this is boring and fails to demonstrate anything about the characters through their fighting styles this argument holds especially true for the underutilization of father’s god powers where the possibilities are limitless yet he does absolutely nothing of interest. Having a collective fight an entity also breaks the ability to have a more personally motivated internal narrative to the fight. Aside from having flashy animation there really isn’t a lot I can say that is good about its presentation even it’s color pallet is something I find really unlikable its lighting is ridiculously flat and uses this washed out chalky color scheme that makes it hard for me to even just appreciate the animation. Then you have Al’s sacrifice my favorite moment in the fight. (At least the transmutation itself) its a wonderful use of information that should be right under the audience’s nose that should be able to be drawn upon from their preexisting understanding. The idea that equivalent exchange being communicable as the basis for Al’s transmutation is brilliant and it being something so dire it makes sense that Al wouldn’t consider using such a tactic before. The music, the shot composition, the pacing for the most part, it’s all really good. But enough praise time to dig into my issues here. The sacrifice itself is needless and makes no sense why it would be necessary. Yes Ed is trapped and yes the explosion sent a lot of characters back/injured quite a few of them, but there isn’t a reason say the gorilla guy who we see is seemingly fine for the most part cheering on Ed wouldn’t be able to beat up Father given Atrophy Ed is able to take him in a fight, and even if no one is actually in a good enough condition to get to Ed, May should be able to transmute the pipe out of Ed’s arm just as easily as she could set up the circle for Al to sacrifice himself. My second favorite moment would be Greed’s sacrifice which is alright and it does through a personal narrative into this fight of a collective which is nice. But it’s presentation of greed getting bitten by father is just somewhat comedic. Overall I’m neutral to this scene. Then the finale of this fight is just Ed in a really boring standard beat-em-up fist fight with father as everyone else just stands back and cheers him on. It’s just boring to me at least.
Then for Ed’s final transmutation looking past the “Skill = a person” which I know bothers a lot of people, I’m going to look at the logistics like I have before when taking apart this transmutation. First of all how does Ed even get to truth’s domain without the use of a philosopher’s stone? The only other time he managed to get there was when he used Envy’s stone as payment this was huge as it was where Ed learned what it was like transmuting souls and negating that here without an explanation just puts me off and seems like hole. Then you have the larger issue of the gate being the source of alchemy which is the entire back bone of the this transmutation. This concept is never even remotely alluded to the audience in any way making it to me feel cheap, thoughtless, and out of nowhere. And beyond the audience having no way knowing the source of alchemy was the gate, when did Ed ever come about this finding? This sudden epiphany has no build up, and there isn’t any place or way for Ed to naturally come upon this understanding. Up until this point the gate in Brotherhood unlike 2003 has been a source of seemingly infinite knowledge and the truth rather than a sort of esoteric lovecraftian source of alchemy. But truth just says this before Ed transmutes the gate as if this is something the audience and Ed should have known well in advance, and if Ed didn’t know in advance that wouldn’t make sense for him to even attempt this token gesture of a transmutation.
For 2003 my biggest problem is the anticlimactic feeling that is left from how the two perform their sacrifices right back to back of one another which undercuts it with a feeling that I think is what causes people to call the 03 ending rushed. It just feels weird in terms of structuring and I can’t exactly explain why or how it could be worked around. But overall I definitely prefer 03’s more personal confrontation and take down of Ed’s ideals of equivalent exchange and Ed’s rise against nihilism to hope in spite of the world’s uncertainties.
For Brotherhood I do like what these two climaxes thematically both encapsulate with the themes of culmination being humanities greatest strength, and acceptance of this humanity.
So to summarize I think both endings are still good but I don’t think with either is great or without flaws.
This man is BASED
I respect their opinion. But I will say that take is whack
I mean yeah but the story is convoluted, the story telling and meaning of the story is just a budget poorly done ver of berserk ngl
I disagree
@@rovite359 as someone who loves berserk and AOT, people who pretend like berserks existence somehow makes AOT worse are actual clowns. Like it’s just an L take. Miura and Isayama are both artists, who created incredibly compelling pieces of art.
I'm low-key wit dude. Tha manga for AOT made me kinda sour on tha anime. I just feel lik they ain't Adapt as well as they could of maybe, idk. And I have always had tha same view on Full Metal. This guy has sum points.
He doesn’t
I never read the manga but my man straight up stopped the anime when it became spicy that is just a bad take.
But i get you i feelt the same with other anime.
Possible Hot Take
Ok I got to say it FMA is a parody of FMAB I would even go as far as to call it a glorified fanfict they made up the story because the manga wasn't finished
As far as I can remember that's hiw it's made.
The anime almost caught up and the creators both met to see how to continue the anime, manga writer explaines how and what direction the mamga would go, and the anime went in another direction to hive breathing room for the creator
Nah FMA 03 is just as good as FMAB.
They're both goated🗿
@@draakgast my friend I think you have had a stroke
FMA 2003 has better direction, smaller and tighter scope of their story, better art and music. They handled Shou Tucker way better. They made Sloth and Lust into AMAZINGLY written characters.
I guess Howls Moving Castle, Naussicaa, Paprika, Akira, Blade Runner, the never ending story, and The Shining are also glorified fan fiction by your standards.
Also on what basis is it parody? Can you elaborate on what you mean by that? Cause if you mean from the lens that deconstruction is technically a form of satire commentary which is technically under the loose umbrella of parody I can see an argument, as I definitely see how it can be seen as using components of the original in a way to directly make commentary on the ideas within the manga in a way that exists outside the framework of the story itself similar to the relationship between Eva and the rebuild films or Naussicaa and its manga? However I still think even then it’s stretching to characterize it as deconstructing the manga and would rather characterize it as simply thematically responding/interacting to/with it.
I treat it as two different pokemon versions
As a person who only seen brotherhood, I think brotherhood is the best
THIS MAN IS MY ENERGY
I respect his opinion, no matter how wrong it is
Yup I gave up on that series around the same time. I can’t wait 35 mins for my girl to get ready and you expect me to remain a fan for 3 years 😂😂😂 sike
That’s such a weird way to even look at it. Does this mean you’re only fans of things for under 3 years and then you move on? What are you even saying
@@Manthathasspiderlikepowers pretty much at a certain point. I just appreciate the series for the memories it gave me at that time in my life. Watching a series and if it’s good then I go to the manga to see how it ends but sometimes I drop it for being basic. After I reach the end it’s just a thought I’m no longer a fan but I’ll recommend it if it’s brought up in conversation. I watch, finish, I’m over it, to simplify my thought process. There’s just to much media to watch to be a fan of it all 🤷🏽♂️
03 FMA > Brotherhood in every way!
It used to be a hot take, but a lot of people are now praising 03 over Brotherhood. Though, judging by the amount of hatred and idiocy towards Brotherhood, I assume a good portion of it is salt - because Brotherhood has generally been seen as the superior version.
It's okay to prefer one over the other. But if a person can't point out the genuine strengths of each version, their opinion is invalid mush from people suffering brainrot.
Well, that's not hot takes. He just seems to dislike the Shonen genre, which is understandable. FMA 2003 is not really a shonen
Aot manga is better and easier to get through🤷🏼♀️ I struggled through the anime until I read the manga and then I could finally appreciate and love the anime
FMA WAS SO MUCH BETTER PACING WISE IN COMPARISON TO FMAB
sure fmab is better art wise and fight scene wise but holy shit i could not continue watching it because everything felt so damn condensed and super fast paced in comparison
i hated that part of fmab
i much prefer the slower feel that fma had
I think that's what it mostly comes down to.
Some people are more bothered by Brotherhood's rushed beginning. Others are more bothered by 03's lousy ending.
I fall into the latter category.
I also realized Brotherhood only feels rushed compared to 03. Most of what feels like is missing isn't necessary for the story. That said, Hughes was under-developed and the Mining incident are the big exceptions that hurt FMAB fairly substantially.
It's mostly the unnecessary episode 1 of fmab for me
This guy is a menace to society😅
The OG fma is superior to fmab
I'm sorry I have to diagnose you with psychotheapy the is just something fundamentally wrong with you I would be terrified to be in the same room as you
@@anthonyharriel5685 mf, i just stated a preference chill
W opinion
What these people fail to realize is the "OG fma" is the manga
@@Kashi_Mochibean uuuh no.
The FMA anime goes in a different direction then the manga, FMAB follows the manga
I respect the guy, I don't agree with him on AOT but he is 100% right about FMA03>>>FMAB
FMAB has a much stronger and grounded plot, more and better character development, and has an amazing finale.
03 has darker elements, focuses more on the relationship of the brothers than Brotherhood, and at no point feels rushed.
Personally, I love the larger scale conspiracy of Brotherhood and the emphasis on cooperation to overcome Father. I love how Brotherhood does a much better job developing Al from a sidekick role to a leadership role. I enjoy the deeper look at the war and how it impacts everyone.
Yikes
I agree on the second one