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Just noticed today the model 3 and model Y just got a 1k disscount !!
Actually it's the ICE Industry that backs the mass production of the all BEV as that's how massive the profits are in the sales of the ICE Platform and sold globally and of course globally sold as well.
Game over for gas.... Untill you relies you'll be on a even longer wait lost then the model 3 that most TO THIS DAY years later are still waiting for it... And the people that do have a model S, 3, X, and Y also usually still have a gas car in the driveway for when the Tesla inevitably breaks down for something else again... Yeah hunny untill their reliably score can at least beat Fiat/Chrysler, they will only ever be expensive toys instead of reliable primary transportation. Evey tesla fanboy gushes over all this and ignores the fact if i go on car gurus theres litterally hundreds of low mileage second hand model 3's flooding the used market in the DMV area because their all lemons people ditched once they realized the car spent more time with Tesla for service then in the owners possession. My model 3 was a absolute nightmare, and even if electric is the futuer id sooner buy a elecric car from GM, Hyundai, or wait for the full Ev's mazda and toyota are making together to release before i even buy another Tesla product. Amazing tech, hindered by some of the most inexperienced manufacturing in the industry.
@That1Mexican You should be stopping at least every two hours. Driving 5 hours straight is borderline negligent. Against every damn driving manual in the world.
I actually had never heard that, makes me think back to the 12 hour trip with one stop or the 20 hour drive from Colorado to Texas with a few stops, but both mostly overnight. Won’t do that again😅
Hawaii sounds very expensive, but is the most beautiful and exotic slice of the USA. On the mainland, I'd need 500 miles and preferably 800 just to know I can drive anywhere without being stranded or suffering in anxiety and fear about a lack of helpful services and infrastructure. There are still rural gaps in the grid so it still only makes sense as a local city car while most drivers have a gas vehicle. I wish we could go solar and not be solely dependent on the aging power grid powered by the smoky dinosaur fuel. Those shiny new Tesla cars looks so great and not a bit of smoke nor dripping oil and antifreeze is the case. I'm so tired of wading through parking lots full of oil and antifreeze while breathing the funk just tracking that in which why everything is so filthy. They did really well European countries on cleaning up the mess, redefining living standards, and making things work better with set industry standards, but we can't seem to figure it out here where we can't seem to even agree on plug standards.
How big is the island? Honestly, I’d be fine with a 100-mile vehicle, charged at home daily. The average American drives less than 60-miles a day. A bus, train, or plane is cheap enough for long distance travel.
@@evshrug The Big Island of Hawaii is big. Places I travel require 250 miles RT and the destinations are rural. No charging stations. If I were to only have 1 vehicle and it's an EV it needs that 250 minimum. A friend has a Bolt and does fine with it. Regen helps on the long downhill areas.
It is a borderline budget car with an electric drivetrain, so if they can get the range up to 200 miles the lower operating costs and maintenance would make it a serious competitor for cheap cars like the Chevy Sonic which is where EVs need to be competitive to dominate the market.
There is only a 'Gas Killer' in the minds, thinking, mindset of the ignorant, and Globalist/Elite Cabal. It is for Authoritarian Control alone. Sincerely
It's a city car, so only suits people who want it for that. Electric cars still have too many problems of which price is only one. Plus, I won't ever buy a Tesla and give that prick amusk any money
Until they become more fix it yourself friendly it’ll never beat gas because a lot of us can’t afford Tesla’s insane labor/service cost or afford the 3 months it takes to get it fixed
Given that Tesla sells every $40k+ model that they can produce it would be very difficult to meet the battery and sales demand for a 25k or less vehicle. Many would buy and flip the cars until demand is met. Knowing Tesla though they would probably start with a 40k performance version before offering a long range or base model.
@@kevinkent6351, yeah that’s ridiculous. Tesla is profitable so the point has been proven that EVs can stand on their own. The whole credit should be removed from all manufacturers at this point.
@@fredguntern.e.4185 How the heck'd you find something stupid to say in this sub-comment section? Delete your post within 6 hours or I take down my comment, can't allow crap like this in my comment section yo
It would be really cool if future vehicles could be modular, such that when the technology is available for a longer range it could be installed easily.
Thats good thinking Chloe', and dare we say "responsible and sustainable?" If EV makers were truly as virtuous as they want us to believe, they would do just as you say..make them modular with batteries that dont cost $20k+ to swap out when the original wont hold anywhere near full range anymore. Unfortunately, planned obsolesence is built into all mainstream consumer goods these days, including cars.
@@andrefecteau Maybe I should front a start up business...like the old phone disposal kiosks in Malls, expect this will be for disposable electric cars. Battery no longer holds a full charge and infotainment system outdated? Drop it off with me, I'l give you a prepaid card with $200 on it and you can be on your way to the nearest dealership! What part of what I said offends you...do you work in the planned obsolesence department of your company? I'd also like a link for your "average of 3 years"...that might be in your country, but for this one it's closer to 8 years and getting longer each time a survey is done. If an EV battery is still capable of 90% of it's range when new at 8 years..that could either be no big deal if the car started with a 400 mile range, or very big deal if it's a low cost EV that started with a range of 150 miles or so. But once again, thats country dependent..I live in Texas where I can drive in virtually the same direction for 9+ hours without leaving the state or doubling back. Oh, and as for savings vs filling up with regular fuel? That depends on several factors..one is the price per gallon, second is how much free time you have to use slower charging which is cheaper than fast charging. Several independent car journalists in the US found that EV's are actually a bit more expensive at this point in time..and electricity charges per kilowatt hour are rising and have been for some time now...faster than gas prices.
@@jbm0866 blah blah, there are people waaay ahead of you on the recycling game...did you have an Iphone day one? I did...it sucked, but look at it now? This is the same...study history or be history
@@andrefecteau I truly dont know what point you're trying to make, are you advocating for disposable EVs that use the same "battery can't be replaced without it costing more than its worth" business model as phone manufacturers? You must work for Tesla..
I currently own a little BMW 318 TI which I love to death. It’s a three door hatch that drives like a rally car. If Tesla could match this, my check would be in the mail.
It would sell very well in Europe, where smaller hatchbacks are still very popular. A Tesla going head to head with the VW id3 would really shake up the market, and hopefully bring down the prices of EVs over here.
@@rehananeksha7260 Sadly he has failed multiple targets ftm as he has overpromised repeatedly. Remember he almost got removed from tesla a few years ago by investors and had to prove himself. Now with this being said I do like him for trying and having high aspirations and time will definitely tell however tesla isn't even a blip on the radar yet as they haven't even sold enough vehicles to give them any significant percentage of the us automarket. As well currently tesla doesn't make its profit off of the vehicle sales and instead carbon credits in eleven states. I would be impressed if they actually get a million mile battery like was promised to be out by now.
@@James-kg1wf He does have a punctuality problem. So if that's what you mean by "failed multiple targets" - then yes you are correct in that his predictions of how fast something will happen is not always correct...... but eventually it happens. This guy just wins. He's the best thing to happen to humanity in my lifetime and is a world-changing individual. You can see he's not in it for the wealth. He's in it for something else
200 miles on paper is like 160 irl, and then you get drain while you're at work. It would be tge minimum you need and you'd need to charge every single night
@@dealornodealproductions7314 My M3 LR has 350 something miles range total. They recommend charging it to 80% normally so that's about 280 or so miles. Granted, you do lose some range at work which is @ 1 mile per hour if you have sentry mode turned on but it's MUCH less if you leave that turned off. If you want to go on a road trip, you can charge it to 100% and have at it (or let the onboard map route you to the nearest charger etc.). And yes, they also recommend leaving it plugged in whenever you're not driving but it's not a big deal. You get home, grab the cord, push the button to open the charge port flap, stick it in, done. You can even schedule charging so it happens in the middle of the night when it's cheaper. You can also tell the car to warm up or cool off before you set off for work or home. It's awesome! Fancy a biscuit during the morning commute? Zero guilt while NOT idling in the drive thru lane. =D
@TEC Man 96 most of these people are just talking out their rear-end; they can't buy a 5 year old used car for half the $25K, but it's "a thang" to talk Tesla for them. You are right, Chevy is better buy than Tesla, and so will Ford very soon. e-Mustang is too pricey, but it isn't targeted to the same demographics. But other Ford electrics are in the pipeline.
Ford built the infrastructure for gas powered vehicles with demand by selling model Ts for less than the equivalent of $10,000 in today's money. $25,000 for a base model entry level car is still not cheap. If you want to change the world, make it cheaper to do it the new way.
well being a new Bolt owner this year with about 250 mile range is great for a 200 mile round trip, but out west i will still need my gas vehicle to go the 500 mile one way trip. I do not see a charge in 15 minutes like a gas fill up. Can you see an EV truck with a camper on it crossing a large mountain range.
It’s the mileage on a single charge that will decide the outcome. They try selling us city cars, when we want one car for everything like we have now !!
I watched another YT video that said, based on surveys, that there were 3 main obstacles to widespread EV adoption: - price (sub $36k) - you can get EV's there now - range (over 300 miles) - you can get very close to this right now - recharge (under 30 minutes, full charge) = this is the issue [and the numbers above aren't exact but they are close enough to make recalling them easier] So yes you can get a sub $36k EV, but it won't have anywhere near 300 mile range, and you can get nearly 300 mile range but the EV will cost much more than $36k AND NEITHER of these will have such a short recharge time. Right now it's basically impossible given current battery technology; even under the most ideal of conditions for an M3 and a V3 charger, it can give you 75 miles in 5 minutes, but only if your current state of charge is low and only for that short period of time - beyond that charging slows significantly due to chemical and physical restraints of the battery technology. The video I reference then goes on to erroneously state that charging to 50% twice under 30 minutes total is the same as charging from 0 to 100% under 30 minutes at once (totally wrong). Solid state batteries are supposed to be able to charge very quickly, but have limited recharge cycles meaning you'd need some sort of battery swap program. They're also lighter, so you can pack more onto a car to increase range without the incremental loss in range (e.g. you can add range by adding batteries, but these are batteries that are heavy and merely by adding them reduce the range of the existing batteries, so it's a game of diminishing returns).
@@bairdjc Latest Hyundai Ioniq 5 can charge from 15 to 80% in 20 minutes, but it requires a 220kW DC charge point. Five of those at a gas station and you're gulping over a megawatt. Network supply issues? Meanwhile, I do 24k miles a year, my car gets 500-600 miles per tank which can be refilled in 5 minutes, does 50 mpg, and it cost me $9 hundred. I think it's gonna be a while before I'm an adopter.
@@bairdjc There is a decent chance that the IONIQ 5 might be able to deliver on all three counts, if the more optimistic rumours come true. Pricing is set to be between $30k and $40k, making it likely that the long range, rear wheel drive version will be available at around the $36k. Hyundai says it will do 292 miles, but as owners of Hyundai EVs will tell you their cars often deliver more miles than the EPA/WLTP ratings indicate making 300 miles possible for most. The IONIQ 5 is said to be able to go from 10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes, if plugged into a 350 kW CCS charger, which would mean that it in most cases will be able to charge enough to go for at least another two hours before needing to recharge again. Solid state will be nice, when they arrive, however as the IONIQ 5 proves the current available technology can also deliver what is needed.
May be a good daily but gas is still more convenient when going longer range trips. Also I would not be surprised if China suddenly has their own company with EV cars that look similar to tesla
@@TheSuburban15 Pretty sure other companies aren’t as willing to share Data especially to independent, non-dealership repair shops. I mean Toyota, GM, Ford probably someone else spent big money lobbying against Right to Repair legislation. “Louis Rossman” TH-cam channel has covered Right to Repair for years and automakers are as ruthless as it comes. Yet i’m sure you’ve owned a vehicle from them in past or present & will probably buy another in the future. If you just don’t want a Tesla that’s fine, no need to make up lies.
@@TheSuburban15 Nah, what they're doing is revolutionizing the industry. We don't have to spend time haggling with car dealers and always wondering if we got ripped off or not. We always know exactly how much regular maintenance and repairs cost. And, we can fuel our cars at home. I can see how traditional car dealerships, petrol sellers, and mechanics might be upset. But for consumers, it's wonderful.
@@sparkeyjones6261 The problem comes, when you are at a garage willing but unable to help, and the delarship is closed until Monday, or after the holiday. Or you end up in a situation like FastLaneCar, where minor collision repairs take months.
@Jason yes the Id3 has been top of my list since it was announced, but recent reviews of budget interior (by VW standards) crappy efficiency and poor Ui have dampened my enthusiasm a bit. But I still plan to take a test drive and see for myself 🙂
@Jason also, as an id3 alternative (and I fully appreciate I’m prone to the Osborne effect here) I’m REALLY looking forward to the IONIC 5 reveal tomorrow - expectations unrealistically high for that!!
@Jason European made is the best quality, but very expensive and tricky to maintain their overseas markets like the USA the classic bug was a huge success here though the new one sucked. Are EV's like that low maintenance, don't require oil changes, and just keep going as long as one doesn't hit or get hit? I heard Teslas are guaranteed 1 million miles which is phenomenally good. It's the $10k or $20k battery replacement is why buying one used doesn't make sense. A new Cyber truck would be absolutely fabulous to get this Christmas far more than any luxury gas unless a Lambo super car were a dream come true.
We drove my son's Model 3 2 days ago and thouroughly enjoyed it. Although it was a lot bigger than my wife and I needed, since there's just the 2 of us, we are looking at the Model 2 when it comes to the USA market. My son drove his Model 3 to the DFW area from the Denver area and only stopped 3 times to charge. And he found three perfect spots where they could go in and eat a nice meal while it charge. Said it only added an hour to their normal drive in his ICE Audi. My wife drive a Toyota 4 Runner and loves the SUV rear lift/hatch back door. So the Model 2 will work perfect for us if it has one.
I personally want you to be right. But, once concern I have is the supercharger network. $25K is very affordable and without enough charging stations, recharging would be a nightmare, longer wait lines can cause chaos on long weekends. People with garage might be in a better spot but, condos, apartments have just 2 - 3 charging ports now. I believe that would not be sufficient.
This is not going to be a problem if we can get used to the idea of charging at 120v or 220v overnight. There's plenty of juice to go around and easy access -- even apartment complexes have electricity -- as long as we don't all expect to charge at 800v all the time.
I worry about it too Kiran, that new supercharger factory is going to help but being able to drive cross country and not wait in line to then wait while charging is so nice and a massive advantage to having a tesla
Charge stations will not necessarily function like gas stations. In South Africa when driving cross country, certain towns, more or less halfway, are popular refueling stops. In stead of stopping once, split your journey in 3, recharge more often with shorter stops and like say 80% charges and avoid lengthy stops.
@@krisc5382 whilst this is a noble sentiment, this is a ridiculous statement. Classic and performance vehicles will still use a ICE long after I’m dead. The numbers will be so small that their impact will be negligible. Petrol/ Gas will around for at least another 50-100 years but in an ever decreasing capacity, which is as it should be. Until we run out of Lithium for the batteries.
@@GSTripleF when the time comes I’m gonna buy an old classic.....keep it in the garage until I’m 90......when everything is driverless only......then one sunny day when I’m senile and old and I know I’m passed it....I’m going to fire it up and take it out, and watch all the young whippersnappers freak out at this “terrible noisy” Machine that is controlled by a MAN behind the wheel, not some computer!! Hell yeah!!!!
As long as it has Tesla features, enough space for me to function normally, and has enough range for me to go through at least like 3 days of use without a charge, I'm more than happy with paying half the price of a model 3
They might claim its worth $19k But I guarantee the Australian government will slap a big fat luxury car tax on it (and any other tax they can think of) and it will cost at least $50k to buy one
@@theairstig9164 the Nissan leaf is not a luxury car, but that gets hit with a luxury car tax, same as the Tesla model 3, Mitsubishi i-MIEV and every other EV I have been able to find
I have a Y and love it. However, as more and more Tesla's flood the market (along with every other EV coming out), the charging ability and network to support them charging on the go will have to exponentially increase. No one wants to drive 15 miles out of their way, and or wait 20 minutes to hook up. Recharging has to become as ubiquitous and easy as filling up a tank of gas. Many of us have home chargers that can do the trick overnight, but not everyone is based at home all the time and getting and keeping a charge while out of your home base might be the new range anxiety.
I've finally reached a place in my life where I could actually afford a Tesla and I'd love to have one. However I cannot get past the right to repair issue. I do not think its ethical for Tesla to lock customers out of cars they own because they won't pay for insane overcharges on repairs. Are you listening Tesla?
Well put. No matter how well meaning the fanboys and PR is, at the end of the day, you’re completely reliant on them for any and all support 99% of the time. Terrible.
I find this scenario very reasonable and taking into account that the technology is evolving faster and faster, this might happen like you said. I hope so, it will be my very first Tesla.
Maybe too small for me, model 2, but great idea for younger people, I am more interested in range. When I find 500miles at reasonable price, I will buy👍🏼
most (not all) gasoline cars have a 250-300 mile range before needing to fill up. Since it is easier to get electricity (we all have it) than gas.... why would you wait for a 500 mile range vehicle?? Seems silly when you could start saving all your gasoline dollars now!!
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Thank-you for alerting me about this, it's not always given I can catch the good deal when it comes along. I'll now be watching and prepared for this one. It's really time to buy a new Tesla sooner than later.
It took 10 months to build a factory!? AND deliver the first car to the customer!? Here in the UK it would take us 10 months to decide whether we should start thinking about the possibility of considering to build such a factory... and then another 10 years to build it..
This is so exciting! Lets the brand name and recognition out of the picture - so many people will now have access to an electric option that did not previously
If you thought the other models had bad build quality imagine what this cheap thing will be like. You’ll be able to see the panel gaps from across the parking lot!
They produce a good looking 2 door hatch in Europe thats built well out of Berlin then it’s a game changer. Would love a 3 or Y but only out of Berlin. If Berlin built a model 3 LR for £30k it would be ordered immediately but a £25k Hatch is an interesting development, a hot hatch drivers Car would be outstanding.
@@SWR112 It's great that they're going to build them in China. It would allow them to cut the costs down even further, hopefully still retaining quality. £30k might be okay for many people in Berlin, UK, and Scandinavia but it's way too expensive for most people in eastern and southern europe. The $25K price tag would be perfect. In 3-5 years, they'll be very affordable in the secondary used car market.
@@hovensteve I wouldnt agree with you. It can be as fast as Model 3 (i dont think that chassis will be so small that you wouldnt fit standart Model 3 battery) but it wont have for example panoramic roof, autopilot and etc.
They need to build build build new infrastructure. Now everyone can get high speed internet with Starlink which is also Elon Musk. As he makes more and more money, he reinvests in his companies which is why they're seeing new development and growth so there's a big hope America is to be fully redeveloped for the high tech era which already needed to be done. He's our only one super star visionary CEO!
@@seybertooth9282We are the, 'unstable genius,' even though we no longer have the, 'stable genius,' as president. Yes, their will be more super chargers and locations for Elon Musk is a great CEO that actually reinvests profits back into his companies to furhter develop them and actually get it to Mars in probably 10 years from now. He's a real American dreamer and our only visionary CEO for none of the others actually put profit back into infrastructure and things for us to thrive from. We need more Elon Musk types to be our leaders. That would be truly a stable genius US of A setting a great example as the leader of the world.
I own a driving school for teens, and I'm looking to switch my whole fleet to electric. I need: - Over 320 miles of range (Workdays are long, and it's not practical to pay employees to supercharge mid-day) - Excellent visibility. (When I turn my head, I need to see more road than interior.) I don't need: - A huge center console (I need to be able to reach the wheel from the passenger side.) - Autonomy... I mean, I'm teaching people to drive, so they gotta drive. - A big screen with video games and stuff. I don't even need navigation. RANGE RANGE RANGE! VISIBILITY VISIBILITY VISIBILITY! I'll take the first EV that has what I need if it's under $30K. Hopefully that's Tesla. I own a Model 3, which has the range but it's lacking in other areas named above.
@@Engineer9736 That has nothing to do with driving safely, which is what I'm paid to teach. We use Garmins. They're cheap, they have traffic, and in many ways they're better for our purposes than Tesla navigation. But we keep them mounted low, below the radio, to avoid distracting the students from the hazards around them.
Most Teslas if not all electric cars are extremely fast I don’t think they’re good for a student to start off with you should know that fact I just watch all the races on TH-cam is not very many exotic sports cars that can be the Tesla S
If you own a racing driving school that’s one thing I don’t think you know anything about quarter mile drive times when they’re run in 9 to 10 second quarter miles that’s next snapping speed and can get away from you real quick
That pricepoint would be amazing but I'm in love with the Model 3's look so much that if I don't like how the "Model 2" looks I might just keep holding out/saving
@@josephsantillan3817 Then I guess it would boil down to how it's stats compare to the model 3, but if they did a sedan version I would definitely give it a look!
Finally that Tesla is going to produce a car for the masses I think I might just buy one when it comes out here in the United States of America I've always wanted a Tesla in that price range I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I hope they do produce a very basic model with no options one thing I miss is the old fashioned window cranks to manually raise and lower your windows I would love to see that in the new Tesla!
I love the idea... but imagine how bad it will be trying to charge at the supercharge stations once all these lower priced model owners are on the road .....
I know the versatility of a hatchback. I owned a 1980 Subaru 2-door hatchback with full independent suspension and part time 4-wheel drive. If you folded down the rear seats, you could carry a 10 foot ladder in the back. If you needed to, you could easily adjust the ride height front and rear.
I think you're right about the price point and dates, but a model 2 with a LFP battery and 200 mile range is not model over for gas models. Range needs to be 250+.
@@JohnC-iv8jo Good point. My motto is if the range of the car is longer than my bladder range, I'm good :) Unfortunately, most people that are new to EVs don't see it that way.
@@paulburns1896 no thanks i prefer petrol. I have petrol and continue to buy one until i am forced not to...or vw makes a decent Electric car....try the mirai ....
@@akashsarma8241 "Gas game-over" 😂 yeah, like everybody on planet earth wants an EV. These EVegans can't wrap their heads around the fact that some people preffer gas over electrics, and that most people can't afford spending 1 hour at least charging the stupid thing every 200 miles in a trip, and not to mentiong the fact that owning a down-to-earth car, like a corolla, is much more cheaper in every way than owning and using the cheapest Tesla. Plus there's still no sufficient nationwide infraestructure to make Teslas a practical everyday choice for most. They might work just fine for a few people here and there, when the car meets their specific needs. Processing all that makes musketers' heads shortcircuit
If you read the way the credit being reinstated is worded? It might actually give them around a year of some type of new credits once passed into law. As it has a phase out period after reaching the cumulative 600,000 that is valid for up to 2 more quarters of sales. That said though, the compact car won't be made in the U.S. until likely 2023. China gets it first(which is smart because it will sell like crazy there, then the eu gets a different looking model on the same chassis, and then when teratx is fully built out and 4680s are at scale. Maybe the 25k will be made available here.
Although having the tesla badge on the car would be great, we already see the issue with the cheep battery. Not to mention that even today there is no 35K model 3. So I love your enthusiasm, but I would be truly surprised if any of this would be happening. But hope I am wrong, it would be nice to have Tesla entering the affordable car market, not only the luxury one.
Yah I think they have their head way in the sand. It will probably not have a lot of range or charge very fast. Or the battery won't last long. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@mrwhips3623 yeah, something like that, but I wouldn't be worry about battery life, LFP is actually more durable than what Tesla is topically using. My issue is more with the price. If Tesla could do a cheap body they would be already milking this cow. I love what Elon has achieved, but in my opinion there is a reason why it takes decades to became a car maker. To make the car cheap, you need to finetoone the process and shave off the cost bit by bit. In fact, the body of the car is more than half of the price, despite evryone thinks it's the battery. Until Tesla figures out how to make cheap body they can not make an affordable car. This is where I think Tesla is far behind the OEMs. All the rest Tesla is dominating.
@Paul Slana yep Tbf Many have reached long ranges now before an exchange was needed and many guarantees for the batteries are longer. And a new motor or transmission costs 5k + as well. For a car with that kinda hp you can pay 10 k for a motor Would be interesting to see the first few stats on what the upkeep of evs like tesla costs in comparison to a traditional car... It not needing oil, filters, that many brakes, all these motor parts, upkeep of transmission etc. I actually dont think its more or much more expensive and its still relatively new tech and will come down in price further
weird because there are people still driving their original model S where i live and have no problems…. …and those cars are fairly old now! Owners still love them!
@@word42069 still, its quite well known that all battery cars loose capacity just like phones aswell So they loose Range Over time that makes for bad second hand cars
@@seybertooth9282Making a valid point isn't whining even if it hurts your feelings 😢 How many cars can fill up thier gas tanks in the time it takes one EV to fully recharge?
@Joe Farruggia I own a Fiesta with 5speed manual. Solid, dependable, frugal car. Mine has air conditioning (standard here), 4 doors and a boot which I prefer over hatchback.
@@fantasyfan9320 Don't you think that is a bit harsh? He is considering to buy and use an electric as his daily driver. And use the ICE as a recreational vehicle. Isn't that a step in the right direction? I have old vehicles and not enough money to update. He has helped more than I can.
@@Jay-jn6ul Is it though? Please break it down for me, I've done extensive research and I'm still unable to determine how buying an electric car vehicle to daily drive would be worse.
I agree. In Montreal all of the electric cabs at the airport were removed because they were totally useless in the winter. Four people in the car sitting in rush hour traffic at - 15 C, not enough heat to keep the windows clear. Couldn't make it down town, when you hire a cab you expect it to be warm. They couldn't use the battery to keep the car warm while waiting fir a customer.
Will be an absolute winner out here on the West Coast of Canada. Also, I keep electric cars plugged in, in a garage. If you get cold in cars, remember to get heated seats.
1st There is NO WAY they will make EVERYONE on earth buy electric cars 2nd 19k$ is still alot to many many people 3rd E cars compared to gas/diesel cars are very VERY slow with charging 4th Many countries have 1/2 superchargers MAX in the whole country 5th When they are lowering the price they are making the cars uglier, slower, smaller, less range ect. Add something else if you think the same
With Tesla it's a "Believe it when you see it" kinda deal. We're still waiting on the 35K M3. Sure it was available for a short period of time requiring buyers to jump through hoops to order only to be told 12 month wait and now you can't even order it.
I live in the country so I don’t want no city car. If I spend that kind of money it would end up being my main transportation and so I would need at least 800 to 1000 mile range on a charge. Then I’ll be interested till then I’ll stick with my Corolla!
Fun Fact: Mountains are literally being knocked down to mine the metals for the batteries. Every one contains 10 litres of oil. Every one uses 50 litres of oil to make. The energy come from power stations to charge them.
Fun fact: Battery tech is advancing faster than ever thanks to the demand generated by this. ICE tech has been stagnant for 50+ years ICE generates far more waste With increased renewable energy sources electric cars will be less of an environment burden where as ICE cars will stay the same
Well at that price, for sure it's game over. The only thing holding me back in getting a Tesla is the high price even for the M3. A truly affordable option will make the jump a non-brainer.
@@metalmike570 Tesla return now is limited. 2x is still possible. Tesla will still be big, but many trusts that have held tesla since 2013 are now taking profits and reducing their position. Their reason: the downsides outweigh the upsides
thanks to John Q. Public who is subsidizing it directly through tax incentives and indirectly through paying for the roads, etc. through their gas taxes which combined make up any financial viability for these things, otherwise these are total money losers ... just look at electrics' resale value
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Just noticed today the model 3 and model Y just got a 1k disscount !!
Actually it's the ICE Industry that backs the mass production of the all BEV as that's how massive the profits are in the sales of the ICE Platform and sold globally and of course globally sold as well.
@@doolittlegeorge wut?
I think the $25k car will be in the US in late 2023 and I hope here in AU by Q1/2-2025 -- we will buy many to rent them out!
Game over for gas.... Untill you relies you'll be on a even longer wait lost then the model 3 that most TO THIS DAY years later are still waiting for it... And the people that do have a model S, 3, X, and Y also usually still have a gas car in the driveway for when the Tesla inevitably breaks down for something else again... Yeah hunny untill their reliably score can at least beat Fiat/Chrysler, they will only ever be expensive toys instead of reliable primary transportation.
Evey tesla fanboy gushes over all this and ignores the fact if i go on car gurus theres litterally hundreds of low mileage second hand model 3's flooding the used market in the DMV area because their all lemons people ditched once they realized the car spent more time with Tesla for service then in the owners possession. My model 3 was a absolute nightmare, and even if electric is the futuer id sooner buy a elecric car from GM, Hyundai, or wait for the full Ev's mazda and toyota are making together to release before i even buy another Tesla product.
Amazing tech, hindered by some of the most inexperienced manufacturing in the industry.
The Tesla models kinda spell out something...
2 S3XY
I'm too sexy for your gas, too sexy for your gas. So sexy I'll pass... Right Said Fred
yeah, they do look kinda like an 80yo grampa without his dentures.
The next 3 Teslas:
Model 4
Model MY
Model SHIRT
Next models I, M, 4, U - IM 2 S3XY 4U
Mighty Car mods enter the chat
19k with a 300 mile range and I’d be up for it.
Who wouldn't
In france tesla promised 30 000 $ three years ago ..and model3 is 60 000$ now model2 19000 $ . Hope 30 000 $ in 2022.
@That1Mexican You should be stopping at least every two hours. Driving 5 hours straight is borderline negligent. Against every damn driving manual in the world.
I actually had never heard that, makes me think back to the 12 hour trip with one stop or the 20 hour drive from Colorado to Texas with a few stops, but both mostly overnight. Won’t do that again😅
I be down I don't do cars
It needs a minimum of 250 miles. I live on a big island with few charging ports.
Hawaii sounds very expensive, but is the most beautiful and exotic slice of the USA. On the mainland, I'd need 500 miles and preferably 800 just to know I can drive anywhere without being stranded or suffering in anxiety and fear about a lack of helpful services and infrastructure. There are still rural gaps in the grid so it still only makes sense as a local city car while most drivers have a gas vehicle. I wish we could go solar and not be solely dependent on the aging power grid powered by the smoky dinosaur fuel. Those shiny new Tesla cars looks so great and not a bit of smoke nor dripping oil and antifreeze is the case. I'm so tired of wading through parking lots full of oil and antifreeze while breathing the funk just tracking that in which why everything is so filthy. They did really well European countries on cleaning up the mess, redefining living standards, and making things work better with set industry standards, but we can't seem to figure it out here where we can't seem to even agree on plug standards.
portable charge
...You mean Australia?
How big is the island?
Honestly, I’d be fine with a 100-mile vehicle, charged at home daily. The average American drives less than 60-miles a day. A bus, train, or plane is cheap enough for long distance travel.
@@evshrug The Big Island of Hawaii is big. Places I travel require 250 miles RT and the destinations are rural. No charging stations. If I were to only have 1 vehicle and it's an EV it needs that 250 minimum. A friend has a Bolt and does fine with it. Regen helps on the long downhill areas.
It’s now starting at 25k. The design reminds me of a wider 2020 Chevy Sonic. I dunno but definitely NOT the gas killer that it’s rumored to be.
It is a borderline budget car with an electric drivetrain, so if they can get the range up to 200 miles the lower operating costs and maintenance would make it a serious competitor for cheap cars like the Chevy Sonic which is where EVs need to be competitive to dominate the market.
There is only a 'Gas Killer' in the minds, thinking, mindset of the ignorant, and Globalist/Elite Cabal.
It is for Authoritarian Control alone.
Sincerely
I would buy one in a heartbeat for this price.
That’s the point!
Me too👌🏻
Depending on the range yes
I'll buy 2 just because. If ones dies go get the other
@@benjamingreen9540 Needs a 500 mile range before I'll even consider it.
If there's an AWD option and it gets at least 300 miles per charge and that version of the car is under $30 I will absolutely get one.
For under $30 i would buy 10.
Just 10? I can buy way more with that price
$30? Dream on and be realistic. $19000 US is a good price. Should sell fast at that price.
@@CBATERCESI would have a really hard time storing more than 10 cars.
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I can Buy them All. Sorry for You guys, But you can still send me your orders , Before they Gone.!.
Elon Musk has to do this, 20 - 25k for a stock tesla is genius. Imagine how many people would buy that joint.
Cjina has cars like that
Aptera
It's a city car, so only suits people who want it for that.
Electric cars still have too many problems of which price is only one.
Plus, I won't ever buy a Tesla and give that prick amusk any money
@@sandersson2813 yeah. his company doesnt even profit from selling cars
@@sandersson2813 sounds like someone can’t afford a Tesla!
Until they become more fix it yourself friendly it’ll never beat gas because a lot of us can’t afford Tesla’s insane labor/service cost or afford the 3 months it takes to get it fixed
Getting this for my parents when it comes out!
Same here.. prefect for them!
wholesome
@@Janell136 BAHAHAHA
Good
@Mario Madrid you ok?
Given that Tesla sells every $40k+ model that they can produce it would be very difficult to meet the battery and sales demand for a 25k or less vehicle. Many would buy and flip the cars until demand is met. Knowing Tesla though they would probably start with a 40k performance version before offering a long range or base model.
Which is exactly why a demand-side tax credit is throwing good money after bad.
@@kevinkent6351 Tesla doesn’t have the tax credit anymore though.
@@rathelmmc3194 right, but the proposal is to add it back.
@@kevinkent6351, yeah that’s ridiculous. Tesla is profitable so the point has been proven that EVs can stand on their own. The whole credit should be removed from all manufacturers at this point.
There's a battery race going on right now. Batteries will not be a problem in two years
One man taking us closer to Sci-Fi than all world leaders combined
This is truth. Probably why he is the worlds richest man right now
@@iampoe824 no doubt
@@chuckhutch4104 truth
We need degrowth not more bright green lies.
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It would be really cool if future vehicles could be modular, such that when the technology is available for a longer range it could be installed easily.
Thats good thinking Chloe', and dare we say "responsible and sustainable?" If EV makers were truly as virtuous as they want us to believe, they would do just as you say..make them modular with batteries that dont cost $20k+ to swap out when the original wont hold anywhere near full range anymore. Unfortunately, planned obsolesence is built into all mainstream consumer goods these days, including cars.
@@jbm0866 average person owns a car 3 years...so stop with the whining, with gas savings? You could own for near zero cost if you drive enough...
@@andrefecteau Maybe I should front a start up business...like the old phone disposal kiosks in Malls, expect this will be for disposable electric cars. Battery no longer holds a full charge and infotainment system outdated? Drop it off with me, I'l give you a prepaid card with $200 on it and you can be on your way to the nearest dealership! What part of what I said offends you...do you work in the planned obsolesence department of your company? I'd also like a link for your "average of 3 years"...that might be in your country, but for this one it's closer to 8 years and getting longer each time a survey is done. If an EV battery is still capable of 90% of it's range when new at 8 years..that could either be no big deal if the car started with a 400 mile range, or very big deal if it's a low cost EV that started with a range of 150 miles or so. But once again, thats country dependent..I live in Texas where I can drive in virtually the same direction for 9+ hours without leaving the state or doubling back. Oh, and as for savings vs filling up with regular fuel? That depends on several factors..one is the price per gallon, second is how much free time you have to use slower charging which is cheaper than fast charging. Several independent car journalists in the US found that EV's are actually a bit more expensive at this point in time..and electricity charges per kilowatt hour are rising and have been for some time now...faster than gas prices.
@@jbm0866 blah blah, there are people waaay ahead of you on the recycling game...did you have an Iphone day one? I did...it sucked, but look at it now? This is the same...study history or be history
@@andrefecteau I truly dont know what point you're trying to make, are you advocating for disposable EVs that use the same "battery can't be replaced without it costing more than its worth" business model as phone manufacturers? You must work for Tesla..
As a senior single, the moment Tesla offers a two-door coup, that the moment I'll put in my order, especially at the $19,000.00 purchase rate.
I heard 19000 dollars a year
@@Sleeperknot r/thatHappened 😆
I currently own a little BMW 318 TI which I love to death. It’s a three door hatch that drives like a rally car. If Tesla could match this, my check would be in the mail.
I want an electric Miata type car so bad, same price, same size, just make it electric. I would buy it immediately.
@@singletracksender9021 you may get your wish in about 18 months from Tesla.
It would sell very well in Europe, where smaller hatchbacks are still very popular. A Tesla going head to head with the VW id3 would really shake up the market, and hopefully bring down the prices of EVs over here.
This will not cost 25K, probally two times that because of import costs etc.
25% VAT on $20 K
At this point I’ll believe when I see it.
At this point I believe Musk can do ANYTHING
That's a good approach, but it's worth noting that Elon hasn't failed a single target yet.
@@rehananeksha7260 Are you serious or not with him not failing a single target? Because he definitely have failed some targets
@@rehananeksha7260 Sadly he has failed multiple targets ftm as he has overpromised repeatedly. Remember he almost got removed from tesla a few years ago by investors and had to prove himself. Now with this being said I do like him for trying and having high aspirations and time will definitely tell however tesla isn't even a blip on the radar yet as they haven't even sold enough vehicles to give them any significant percentage of the us automarket. As well currently tesla doesn't make its profit off of the vehicle sales and instead carbon credits in eleven states. I would be impressed if they actually get a million mile battery like was promised to be out by now.
@@James-kg1wf He does have a punctuality problem. So if that's what you mean by "failed multiple targets" - then yes you are correct in that his predictions of how fast something will happen is not always correct...... but eventually it happens. This guy just wins. He's the best thing to happen to humanity in my lifetime and is a world-changing individual. You can see he's not in it for the wealth. He's in it for something else
200 miles enough for me. I'm here for the price and ACCELERATION
I dont think the acceleration gonna be something astonishing
Since they will be taking out from the specs to make it cheaper
Eh 200 miles gets tough sometimes but I think its a good idea
200 miles on paper is like 160 irl, and then you get drain while you're at work. It would be tge minimum you need and you'd need to charge every single night
@@dealornodealproductions7314 Agree. They need to put transmission like Porshe did on their electric cars.
@@dealornodealproductions7314 My M3 LR has 350 something miles range total. They recommend charging it to 80% normally so that's about 280 or so miles. Granted, you do lose some range at work which is @ 1 mile per hour if you have sentry mode turned on but it's MUCH less if you leave that turned off. If you want to go on a road trip, you can charge it to 100% and have at it (or let the onboard map route you to the nearest charger etc.).
And yes, they also recommend leaving it plugged in whenever you're not driving but it's not a big deal. You get home, grab the cord, push the button to open the charge port flap, stick it in, done. You can even schedule charging so it happens in the middle of the night when it's cheaper. You can also tell the car to warm up or cool off before you set off for work or home. It's awesome! Fancy a biscuit during the morning commute? Zero guilt while NOT idling in the drive thru lane. =D
Even with no tax credit at all, $25000 for a "barebones" Tesla is a game changer.
Indeed, I've already decided to buy it for less than 30k, without tax credit. I'll leave IC car once and for all.
Without the tax credit its almost exactly 7k over everything in its category.
@TEC Man 96 most of these people are just talking out their rear-end; they can't buy a 5 year old used car for half the $25K, but it's "a thang" to talk Tesla for them.
You are right, Chevy is better buy than Tesla, and so will Ford very soon.
e-Mustang is too pricey, but it isn't targeted to the same demographics. But other Ford electrics are in the pipeline.
Ford built the infrastructure for gas powered vehicles with demand by selling model Ts for less than the equivalent of $10,000 in today's money. $25,000 for a base model entry level car is still not cheap.
If you want to change the world, make it cheaper to do it the new way.
well being a new Bolt owner this year with about 250 mile range is great for a 200 mile round trip, but out west i will still need my gas vehicle to go the 500 mile one way trip. I do not see a charge in 15 minutes like a gas fill up. Can you see an EV truck with a camper on it crossing a large mountain range.
So with a model 2, the logo will now b
2 S3XY
Then the 4 will come out after
Then after the 4 itd be the U model
2 S3XY 4 U
lmaooo
Will be
2 S3XY
Cybertruck, Atv, Roadster, Semi
@@Franklin_Araujo
2 S3XY CARS xDDD
Model 1 2 S3XY 4 U
2 sexy cars 4 u
It’s the mileage on a single charge that will decide the outcome. They try selling us city cars, when we want one car for everything like we have now !!
I watched another YT video that said, based on surveys, that there were 3 main obstacles to widespread EV adoption:
- price (sub $36k) - you can get EV's there now
- range (over 300 miles) - you can get very close to this right now
- recharge (under 30 minutes, full charge) = this is the issue
[and the numbers above aren't exact but they are close enough to make recalling them easier]
So yes you can get a sub $36k EV, but it won't have anywhere near 300 mile range, and you can get nearly 300 mile range but the EV will cost much more than $36k AND NEITHER of these will have such a short recharge time. Right now it's basically impossible given current battery technology; even under the most ideal of conditions for an M3 and a V3 charger, it can give you 75 miles in 5 minutes, but only if your current state of charge is low and only for that short period of time - beyond that charging slows significantly due to chemical and physical restraints of the battery technology. The video I reference then goes on to erroneously state that charging to 50% twice under 30 minutes total is the same as charging from 0 to 100% under 30 minutes at once (totally wrong).
Solid state batteries are supposed to be able to charge very quickly, but have limited recharge cycles meaning you'd need some sort of battery swap program. They're also lighter, so you can pack more onto a car to increase range without the incremental loss in range (e.g. you can add range by adding batteries, but these are batteries that are heavy and merely by adding them reduce the range of the existing batteries, so it's a game of diminishing returns).
@@bairdjc Latest Hyundai Ioniq 5 can charge from 15 to 80% in 20 minutes, but it requires a 220kW DC charge point. Five of those at a gas station and you're gulping over a megawatt. Network supply issues? Meanwhile, I do 24k miles a year, my car gets 500-600 miles per tank which can be refilled in 5 minutes, does 50 mpg, and it cost me $9 hundred. I think it's gonna be a while before I'm an adopter.
@@bairdjc There is a decent chance that the IONIQ 5 might be able to deliver on all three counts, if the more optimistic rumours come true. Pricing is set to be between $30k and $40k, making it likely that the long range, rear wheel drive version will be available at around the $36k. Hyundai says it will do 292 miles, but as owners of Hyundai EVs will tell you their cars often deliver more miles than the EPA/WLTP ratings indicate making 300 miles possible for most. The IONIQ 5 is said to be able to go from 10 % to 80 % in 18 minutes, if plugged into a 350 kW CCS charger, which would mean that it in most cases will be able to charge enough to go for at least another two hours before needing to recharge again.
Solid state will be nice, when they arrive, however as the IONIQ 5 proves the current available technology can also deliver what is needed.
@@hunchanchoc8418 what car do you have?
@@dgaleno2012 A 12 year old Mitsubishi Colt. Gasolene. Similar to a Honda Fit/Jazz, but largely ignored, so cheaper.
If it looks like the render in the thumbnail then yes! 🔥🔥
It looks like a car from watch dogs legion
May be a good daily but gas is still more convenient when going longer range trips. Also I would not be surprised if China suddenly has their own company with EV cars that look similar to tesla
Not where I live, gas is now 166.9 per litre. And and hour away it's 185.9 per litre.
@@dk7541 could this comment be anymore 3rd world
@@ffs6158 lol I know right
Gotta sort build quality out first.
Would be nice if they started sharing data with other mechanics. Don't want to buy a car from a company that has a monopoly on repairs.
@@TheSuburban15 Too many Tesla haters among the mechanics that if they had the knowledge would sabotage the cars
@@TheSuburban15 Pretty sure other companies aren’t as willing to share Data especially to independent, non-dealership repair shops.
I mean Toyota, GM, Ford probably someone else spent big money lobbying against Right to Repair legislation. “Louis Rossman” TH-cam channel has covered Right to Repair for years and automakers are as ruthless as it comes.
Yet i’m sure you’ve owned a vehicle from them in past or present & will probably buy another in the future.
If you just don’t want a Tesla that’s fine, no need to make up lies.
@@TheSuburban15 Nah, what they're doing is revolutionizing the industry. We don't have to spend time haggling with car dealers and always wondering if we got ripped off or not. We always know exactly how much regular maintenance and repairs cost. And, we can fuel our cars at home. I can see how traditional car dealerships, petrol sellers, and mechanics might be upset. But for consumers, it's wonderful.
@@sparkeyjones6261 The problem comes, when you are at a garage willing but unable to help, and the delarship is closed until Monday, or after the holiday.
Or you end up in a situation like FastLaneCar, where minor collision repairs take months.
A golf-sized Tesla is my dream car. I’m out of my lease with my Leaf this summer. Looking at the current options available, I may just wait a while...
Definitely a major goal!!
@Jason yes the Id3 has been top of my list since it was announced, but recent reviews of budget interior (by VW standards) crappy efficiency and poor Ui have dampened my enthusiasm a bit. But I still plan to take a test drive and see for myself 🙂
@Jason the id3 has terrible software, so its not really comparable.
@Jason also, as an id3 alternative (and I fully appreciate I’m prone to the Osborne effect here) I’m REALLY looking forward to the IONIC 5 reveal tomorrow - expectations unrealistically high for that!!
@Jason European made is the best quality, but very expensive and tricky to maintain their overseas markets like the USA the classic bug was a huge success here though the new one sucked. Are EV's like that low maintenance, don't require oil changes, and just keep going as long as one doesn't hit or get hit? I heard Teslas are guaranteed 1 million miles which is phenomenally good. It's the $10k or $20k battery replacement is why buying one used doesn't make sense. A new Cyber truck would be absolutely fabulous to get this Christmas far more than any luxury gas unless a Lambo super car were a dream come true.
We drove my son's Model 3 2 days ago and thouroughly enjoyed it. Although it was a lot bigger than my wife and I needed, since there's just the 2 of us, we are looking at the Model 2 when it comes to the USA market. My son drove his Model 3 to the DFW area from the Denver area and only stopped 3 times to charge. And he found three perfect spots where they could go in and eat a nice meal while it charge. Said it only added an hour to their normal drive in his ICE Audi. My wife drive a Toyota 4 Runner and loves the SUV rear lift/hatch back door. So the Model 2 will work perfect for us if it has one.
How far is DFW from Denver ?
@@SWAROOPSKNAIR From his house to mine is 692.8 miles.
I personally want you to be right. But, once concern I have is the supercharger network. $25K is very affordable and without enough charging stations, recharging would be a nightmare, longer wait lines can cause chaos on long weekends. People with garage might be in a better spot but, condos, apartments have just 2 - 3 charging ports now. I believe that would not be sufficient.
This is not going to be a problem if we can get used to the idea of charging at 120v or 220v overnight. There's plenty of juice to go around and easy access -- even apartment complexes have electricity -- as long as we don't all expect to charge at 800v all the time.
I worry about it too Kiran, that new supercharger factory is going to help but being able to drive cross country and not wait in line to then wait while charging is so nice and a massive advantage to having a tesla
@edwong3 hopefully! I hope you are right. as a future Tesla owner, I'm excited.
Charge stations will not necessarily function like gas stations. In South Africa when driving cross country, certain towns, more or less halfway, are popular refueling stops. In stead of stopping once, split your journey in 3, recharge more often with shorter stops and like say 80% charges and avoid lengthy stops.
If the price still around that, I’ll get one for my daily and the V8 for the weekend. Win win
Internal combustion engines are eventually going to be outlawed on the roads.
@@krisc5382 you are praying for it to happen
@@krisc5382 whilst this is a noble sentiment, this is a ridiculous statement.
Classic and performance vehicles will still use a ICE long after I’m dead. The numbers will be so small that their impact will be negligible.
Petrol/ Gas will around for at least another 50-100 years but in an ever decreasing capacity, which is as it should be.
Until we run out of Lithium for the batteries.
@@GSTripleF when the time comes I’m gonna buy an old classic.....keep it in the garage until I’m 90......when everything is driverless only......then one sunny day when I’m senile and old and I know I’m passed it....I’m going to fire it up and take it out, and watch all the young whippersnappers freak out at this “terrible noisy” Machine that is controlled by a MAN behind the wheel, not some computer!! Hell yeah!!!!
@@krisc5382 That's what the idiot greenies want to do.
Wow, i really want to see how this car si gonna come out...
I'm only 12 years old, and I'm already saving! LOL!😜
That's good you are getting ready for this world.
Yup smart
Good. Remember, never buy the first release, wait for the new model bugs and unknown frustrations to be worked out in a revision 2 or 3.
@@JTHH_TH-cam Yes, the model 3 was kind of a bad car at first, but they perfected it after about a year of release. I understand your concern. Thx
Protip: dont just save...INVEST. If you are saving money you are losing value.
Having a compact car is excellent. If it so good for Tesla to build one. It would be greatly appreciated.
They also learned how to sand bag, so hopefully it will be available soon after reveal
2025 lol
This will be pretty cool. I’ll get my brother this for his first car when it comes out
Your a cool Brother (:
I wish i had a brother like you (:
Damn, if your being honest that is awesome.
U can’t afford the insurance
@@clheppermann lol what are you talking about.. I already have a Tesla model 3 and I’m very comfortable. I can afford the insurance buddy
As long as it has Tesla features, enough space for me to function normally, and has enough range for me to go through at least like 3 days of use without a charge, I'm more than happy with paying half the price of a model 3
Cannot wait for electric cargo van
You can buy an Electric Ford Transit or Renault Crafter right now
They might claim its worth $19k
But I guarantee the Australian government will slap a big fat luxury car tax on it (and any other tax they can think of) and it will cost at least $50k to buy one
Never will be RHD so the AU gubbinment won’t be taxing it as a luxury import
@@theairstig9164 the Nissan leaf is not a luxury car, but that gets hit with a luxury car tax, same as the Tesla model 3, Mitsubishi i-MIEV and every other EV I have been able to find
Need an Australian gigafactory.
You should look at my country, Singapore. This will cost a min of 80k here
Luxury car tax shouldn’t apply to EV’s. I want a Tesla so bad haha.
I have a Y and love it. However, as more and more Tesla's flood the market (along with every other EV coming out), the charging ability and network to support them charging on the go will have to exponentially increase. No one wants to drive 15 miles out of their way, and or wait 20 minutes to hook up. Recharging has to become as ubiquitous and easy as filling up a tank of gas. Many of us have home chargers that can do the trick overnight, but not everyone is based at home all the time and getting and keeping a charge while out of your home base might be the new range anxiety.
You got it all right, man!
New range anxiety? Sure sounds like plain old range anxiety to me...
I've finally reached a place in my life where I could actually afford a Tesla and I'd love to have one. However I cannot get past the right to repair issue. I do not think its ethical for Tesla to lock customers out of cars they own because they won't pay for insane overcharges on repairs. Are you listening Tesla?
They aren't listening
Well put. No matter how well meaning the fanboys and PR is, at the end of the day, you’re completely reliant on them for any and all support 99% of the time. Terrible.
I can’t wait to see it. I plan to buy a tesla in 2022-2024 so I hope the cheaper model will peak my interest more than the model 3 does
Same!
I find this scenario very reasonable and taking into account that the technology is evolving faster and faster, this might happen like you said. I hope so, it will be my very first Tesla.
Maybe too small for me, model 2, but great idea for younger people, I am more interested in range. When I find 500miles at reasonable price, I will buy👍🏼
most (not all) gasoline cars have a 250-300 mile range before needing to fill up. Since it is easier to get electricity (we all have it) than gas.... why would you wait for a 500 mile range vehicle?? Seems silly when you could start saving all your gasoline dollars now!!
@@dontshark910 Because more range = less stops for charging.
‘Eat small but eat often’ (an old Italian saying) is a good business model. 👌
I'm italian and I eat often and big.
@Dale Macarena what don't you get?
@Dale Macarena frequent small meals is a common effective strategy for both weight loss and weight gain. Gain or loss depends on the distribution of macronutrients in each meal and the calorie count of each meal. So just look it up if you are interested for more details. Thats an awesome italian quote
That's a perfect game plan to gain weight and increase your blood sugar. Eat no more than three meals a day with no snacking or better yet get on intermittent fasting, cut out sugar and carb.
This can get as low as a Yaris with the help of my Government. Genius.
taxpayers' money.
With the money of our taxpayers.
Dumb post.
When you were talking about shanghai you showed videos of the gigafactory in reno nevada i used to work there lol
Lol yup...U.S.A. Parkway outside of Sparks and Fernley. We Built Chewy.com Down the road.! Watch out for Wild Horses!
Did you like it there?
The tax credit will be gone before the “model 2” arrives.
but the model 3 just dropped in price too ...
Not if ur from Cali
How much tax credit do you want on a 19k car , tight wad 💰😜
Like everything else the Democrats promise...
There will be so much support to bring it back , it will
If it's a hatchback and comes in a 3 motor "plaid" version for $50K, I'm in. The Tesla hot hatch is something the world needs.
Thank-you for alerting me about this, it's not always given I can catch the good deal when it comes along.
I'll now be watching and prepared for this one. It's really time to buy a new Tesla sooner than later.
It took 10 months to build a factory!? AND deliver the first car to the customer!?
Here in the UK it would take us 10 months to decide whether we should start thinking about the possibility of considering to build such a factory...
and then another 10 years to build it..
That's the norm in the US as well, but Tesla is a different animal.
@@sparkeyjones6261 China is a different animal.
An efficient government saves taxpayer money. Ours in more interested in the former presidents tax returns.
I hope this comes through and comes true :)
Members of the Church of Climate change will be thrilled!
In the words of Steve Perry
"Keep on Believing....
This is so exciting! Lets the brand name and recognition out of the picture - so many people will now have access to an electric option that did not previously
I don't see how with the growth of Tesla sales that incentive with be available for the model 2. No chance
400 k is a small number potentially 1 year of sales
@@13thbiosphere and that without even starting producing the model 2
I would buy that Tesla as my first car!
If you thought the other models had bad build quality imagine what this cheap thing will be like. You’ll be able to see the panel gaps from across the parking lot!
Very intriguing.
I hope that by 2023 Tesla has found a way to increase its range to at least 250.
200 is too low .
This will be big in the UK, I can’t wait to buy one. 😍
They produce a good looking 2 door hatch in Europe thats built well out of Berlin then it’s a game changer. Would love a 3 or Y but only out of Berlin. If Berlin built a model 3 LR for £30k it would be ordered immediately but a £25k Hatch is an interesting development, a hot hatch drivers Car would be outstanding.
Here we are going to need an acceleration limiter because it will be mayhem on our roads.
@@SWR112 It's great that they're going to build them in China. It would allow them to cut the costs down even further, hopefully still retaining quality. £30k might be okay for many people in Berlin, UK, and Scandinavia but it's way too expensive for most people in eastern and southern europe. The $25K price tag would be perfect. In 3-5 years, they'll be very affordable in the secondary used car market.
@@unskeptable I reckon it would be a feature like it is on other models, but I won’t be using it. 😆
No RHD
2 door hatchback with 0-60 in 3 sec would be FIRE. I hope it won't be slower...
best version should be faster than that. Cybertruck does 0-60 2.9 seconds with tri motor
It won t be so fast... or it would depreciate the more expensive model S and model 3. That's simple marketing
@@TyroneJ2900 Rumours is there that this hatchack will have cheapear batteries, so it wont go that fast for sure... But maybe im wrong.
@@hovensteve I wouldnt agree with you. It can be as fast as Model 3 (i dont think that chassis will be so small that you wouldnt fit standart Model 3 battery) but it wont have for example panoramic roof, autopilot and etc.
when these roll out in volume, there will be a lot more lineups at the superchargers!
They are also now manufacturing 10k super chargers per year
Nope , 99%ppl charge it at home ...
They need to build build build new infrastructure. Now everyone can get high speed internet with Starlink which is also Elon Musk. As he makes more and more money, he reinvests in his companies which is why they're seeing new development and growth so there's a big hope America is to be fully redeveloped for the high tech era which already needed to be done. He's our only one super star visionary CEO!
No, because there will be a lot more superchargers, genius.
@@seybertooth9282We are the, 'unstable genius,' even though we no longer have the, 'stable genius,' as president. Yes, their will be more super chargers and locations for Elon Musk is a great CEO that actually reinvests profits back into his companies to furhter develop them and actually get it to Mars in probably 10 years from now. He's a real American dreamer and our only visionary CEO for none of the others actually put profit back into infrastructure and things for us to thrive from. We need more Elon Musk types to be our leaders. That would be truly a stable genius US of A setting a great example as the leader of the world.
The moment it goes for presale, I'm putting my order in. I already have a Y but why not.
the Tesla line would be called 2SEXY lmaooooo
"could be" Let's see if "is" happens at the price you mention within the next few years.
this is great for the Gen Y generation, no more wanting for gas money, but being able to commute to work and school and home.
Lol no more gas bill but a higher electric bill. You can't just eliminate cost of operation
@@brandonstockton4289 true, but the cost per mile is substantially lower.
Uses kilowatts to charge it , electric bill will sky rocket,
@@barrycampion9679 yes, but still lower even without solar factored in. But once solar becomes more widespread, then it becomes a no-brainer.
They could charge as they drive.no need for charging,but they like to make money anyway possible
I own a driving school for teens, and I'm looking to switch my whole fleet to electric.
I need:
- Over 320 miles of range (Workdays are long, and it's not practical to pay employees to supercharge mid-day)
- Excellent visibility. (When I turn my head, I need to see more road than interior.)
I don't need:
- A huge center console (I need to be able to reach the wheel from the passenger side.)
- Autonomy... I mean, I'm teaching people to drive, so they gotta drive.
- A big screen with video games and stuff. I don't even need navigation.
RANGE RANGE RANGE!
VISIBILITY VISIBILITY VISIBILITY!
I'll take the first EV that has what I need if it's under $30K. Hopefully that's Tesla.
I own a Model 3, which has the range but it's lacking in other areas named above.
Why don’t you teach your students how to drive with navigation? People rarely drive without navigation these days.
@@Engineer9736 That has nothing to do with driving safely, which is what I'm paid to teach. We use Garmins. They're cheap, they have traffic, and in many ways they're better for our purposes than Tesla navigation. But we keep them mounted low, below the radio, to avoid distracting the students from the hazards around them.
Most Teslas if not all electric cars are extremely fast I don’t think they’re good for a student to start off with you should know that fact I just watch all the races on TH-cam is not very many exotic sports cars that can be the Tesla S
If you own a racing driving school that’s one thing I don’t think you know anything about quarter mile drive times when they’re run in 9 to 10 second quarter miles that’s next snapping speed and can get away from you real quick
@@mr.nightshade8465 To which of your statements were you expecting me to say "Gee, wow, I hadn't thought of that!" ? As I stated, I own a Tesla.
That pricepoint would be amazing but I'm in love with the Model 3's look so much that if I don't like how the "Model 2" looks I might just keep holding out/saving
I've heard they might make a sedan version of the hatchback later. It would be neat if thats true and it looks similar to the model 3 just smaller.
@@josephsantillan3817 Then I guess it would boil down to how it's stats compare to the model 3, but if they did a sedan version I would definitely give it a look!
Finally that Tesla is going to produce a car for the masses I think I might just buy one when it comes out here in the United States of America I've always wanted a Tesla in that price range I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I hope they do produce a very basic model with no options one thing I miss is the old fashioned window cranks to manually raise and lower your windows I would love to see that in the new Tesla!
They ended up shelving this inexpensive Tesla model.
I love the idea... but imagine how bad it will be trying to charge at the supercharge stations once all these lower priced model owners are on the road .....
Place oder from any country on how to buy online+ 1(...9..7..1..)..2..4..8-8..4..2..9
those pesky peasants
Only a little bit elitist of you
Difficult to imagine how this is viable without widespread residential solar.
I know the versatility of a hatchback. I owned a 1980 Subaru 2-door hatchback with full independent suspension and part time 4-wheel drive. If you folded down the rear seats, you could carry a 10 foot ladder in the back. If you needed to, you could easily adjust the ride height front and rear.
I think you're right about the price point and dates, but a model 2 with a LFP battery and 200 mile range is not model over for gas models. Range needs to be 250+.
very few people commute 100 miles each way, also most people have to stop to pee at about 125 miles ish, range anxst is old old propaganda
@@JohnC-iv8jo Good point. My motto is if the range of the car is longer than my bladder range, I'm good :) Unfortunately, most people that are new to EVs don't see it that way.
The $7k credit and carpool access will definitely make me buy it!
This is the car I've been waiting for. For the last 50 years!
🤣🤣🤣 there was its called a corolla
@@akashsarma8241 ICE is dead. But maybe Toyota can come up with an Corolla EV...
@@paulburns1896 no thanks i prefer petrol. I have petrol and continue to buy one until i am forced not to...or vw makes a decent Electric car....try the mirai ....
@@akashsarma8241 you hit the nail in the head.
@@akashsarma8241 "Gas game-over" 😂 yeah, like everybody on planet earth wants an EV. These EVegans can't wrap their heads around the fact that some people preffer gas over electrics, and that most people can't afford spending 1 hour at least charging the stupid thing every 200 miles in a trip, and not to mentiong the fact that owning a down-to-earth car, like a corolla, is much more cheaper in every way than owning and using the cheapest Tesla. Plus there's still no sufficient nationwide infraestructure to make Teslas a practical everyday choice for most. They might work just fine for a few people here and there, when the car meets their specific needs. Processing all that makes musketers' heads shortcircuit
0:52 "they accomplished all of that"
Yeeaaaaaa we're still waiting on that roadster friend.
The OG roadster was their low volume car. the other two have already been done also.
Ya, the model 2 will never see that tax credit. Tesla will burn through that so quick.
If you read the way the credit being reinstated is worded? It might actually give them around a year of some type of new credits once passed into law. As it has a phase out period after reaching the cumulative 600,000 that is valid for up to 2 more quarters of sales.
That said though, the compact car won't be made in the U.S. until likely 2023.
China gets it first(which is smart because it will sell like crazy there, then the eu gets a different looking model on the same chassis, and then when teratx is fully built out and 4680s are at scale. Maybe the 25k will be made available here.
Me too!!! I’ll buy one ☝🏼 if the price is that low?! Finally!
(1:31) he stood in front of a covered mystery car. If it were uncovered, it wouldn't be a mystery.🤗
that was the fastest promo ad I've ever seen.. hats on you
ah.. nevermind
Although having the tesla badge on the car would be great, we already see the issue with the cheep battery. Not to mention that even today there is no 35K model 3. So I love your enthusiasm, but I would be truly surprised if any of this would be happening. But hope I am wrong, it would be nice to have Tesla entering the affordable car market, not only the luxury one.
Yah I think they have their head way in the sand. It will probably not have a lot of range or charge very fast. Or the battery won't last long. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@mrwhips3623 yeah, something like that, but I wouldn't be worry about battery life, LFP is actually more durable than what Tesla is topically using. My issue is more with the price. If Tesla could do a cheap body they would be already milking this cow. I love what Elon has achieved, but in my opinion there is a reason why it takes decades to became a car maker. To make the car cheap, you need to finetoone the process and shave off the cost bit by bit. In fact, the body of the car is more than half of the price, despite evryone thinks it's the battery. Until Tesla figures out how to make cheap body they can not make an affordable car. This is where I think Tesla is far behind the OEMs. All the rest Tesla is dominating.
When those vehicles factory warranty expire prepare your pocket to pay for high expenses
@Paul Slana yep
Tbf
Many have reached long ranges now before an exchange was needed and many guarantees for the batteries are longer.
And a new motor or transmission costs 5k + as well.
For a car with that kinda hp you can pay 10 k for a motor
Would be interesting to see the first few stats on what the upkeep of evs like tesla costs in comparison to a traditional car...
It not needing oil, filters, that many brakes, all these motor parts, upkeep of transmission etc.
I actually dont think its more or much more expensive and its still relatively new tech and will come down in price further
weird because there are people still driving their original model S where i live and have no problems…. …and those cars are fairly old now! Owners still love them!
@@word42069 still, its quite well known that all battery cars loose capacity just like phones aswell
So they loose Range
Over time that makes for bad second hand cars
Limitless products/fields he can disrupt that's why THEY dont like him.
I don’t really wanna have his shit forced on me
Or from similar companies
He's too wealthy. And folx out here starving.
What usually happens when a few have it all, while eeerbody else hawngry?
Depends on the range I’d buy one fwd lower power model just for commuting
Superchargers out in California already have wait times, Model 2 comes out....
They won't be able to run their air conditioners anytime without brown outs.
All you whiners about charging points needs to look at the rate at which everyone is building charging points.
@@seybertooth9282Making a valid point isn't whining even if it hurts your feelings 😢 How many cars can fill up thier gas tanks in the time it takes one EV to fully recharge?
*Tesla model 1 gets released*
Tesla Roadster: “But Mr Krabs! I was numbah 1!”
3/10
Better have 400 mile range or else I’m stuck on gas for a while lol 😂
Almost a year later - how's the optimism? Fossil fuels still rule, and no cheap Tesla in sight.
If it looks like the thumbnail and cost less than 25k count me in! 🙌🏽
Reality: it likely won't
And it likely won't.
@Joe Farruggia I own a Fiesta with 5speed manual. Solid, dependable, frugal car.
Mine has air conditioning (standard here), 4 doors and a boot which I prefer over hatchback.
I will daily drive this and drive my Challenger just on the weekends at this price.
It's better for the environment to always use your challenger than to buy a brand new car when you don't need one
@@Jay-jn6ul seeing as how he has a challenger, I doubt he gives a fuck about the environment or the planet
@@fantasyfan9320 Don't you think that is a bit harsh? He is considering to buy and use an electric as his daily driver. And use the ICE as a recreational vehicle. Isn't that a step in the right direction? I have old vehicles and not enough money to update. He has helped more than I can.
@@fantasyfan9320 couldn't be more wrong. Look into active fuel management, my car is well above average gas mileage for personal vehicles.
@@Jay-jn6ul Is it though? Please break it down for me, I've done extensive research and I'm still unable to determine how buying an electric car vehicle to daily drive would be worse.
Game over for gas? In Canada when it's -30 for a month I bet they will be great!
There getting better, still.
Cold kills batteries, just sayin.
BTW how will it defrost the window?
15Ah? 50Ah?
Hope somebody doesn't freeze to death.
Fast charging kills the battery
I agree. In Montreal all of the electric cabs at the airport were removed because they were totally useless in the winter. Four people in the car sitting in rush hour traffic at - 15 C, not enough heat to keep the windows clear. Couldn't make it down town, when you hire a cab you expect it to be warm. They couldn't use the battery to keep the car warm while waiting fir a customer.
Will be an absolute winner out here on the West Coast of Canada. Also, I keep electric cars plugged in, in a garage. If you get cold in cars, remember to get heated seats.
@@jakedank2746 so does pulling anything and acceleration.
It’s a Honda Crx. Always loved those!
great video as always, cant wait to see this new model. the STONK will go to the moon!
Until it blows up...good luck to those who are in with their savings at that point.
1st There is NO WAY they will make EVERYONE on earth buy electric cars
2nd 19k$ is still alot to many many people
3rd E cars compared to gas/diesel cars are very VERY slow with charging
4th Many countries have 1/2 superchargers MAX in the whole country
5th When they are lowering the price they are making the cars uglier, slower, smaller, less range ect.
Add something else if you think the same
2. No one drives hundreds of miles without taking a break
With Tesla it's a "Believe it when you see it" kinda deal. We're still waiting on the 35K M3. Sure it was available for a short period of time requiring buyers to jump through hoops to order only to be told 12 month wait and now you can't even order it.
The guy makes rockets! What are you whining about?
@@darkparkakanamefamily7885 what does making rockets have to do with this business?
I live in the country so I don’t want no city car. If I spend that kind of money it would end up being my main transportation and so I would need at least 800 to 1000 mile range on a charge. Then I’ll be interested till then I’ll stick with my Corolla!
I hope they will be also available in South Africa. I wanna own one🥺
For our easy sell service
Fun Fact:
Mountains are literally being knocked down to mine the metals for the batteries.
Every one contains 10 litres of oil.
Every one uses 50 litres of oil to make.
The energy come from power stations to charge them.
Fun fact:
Battery tech is advancing faster than ever thanks to the demand generated by this.
ICE tech has been stagnant for 50+ years
ICE generates far more waste
With increased renewable energy sources electric cars will be less of an environment burden where as ICE cars will stay the same
I was considering a used smart electric for like $15K (like ~50mi range after degradation), I 'suppose I should just save till launch of this thing?
Or get a Toyota 4 banger that will never die and isn't put together with toxic parts by child slaves.
You're going to be waiting a long time, Musk himself has shelved this inexpensive Tesla for the foreseeable future.
I'm chomping at the bit to get a fully autonomous Model 2. I think your assessment is accurate.
Well at that price, for sure it's game over. The only thing holding me back in getting a Tesla is the high price even for the M3. A truly affordable option will make the jump a non-brainer.
Andy make it happen this year man👍
I think this will come out, I love Tesla! I want a refresh model S
Buy some stock if you can, but it's pricey right now, but it's going to go up again.
@@metalmike570 Tesla return now is limited. 2x is still possible. Tesla will still be big, but many trusts that have held tesla since 2013 are now taking profits and reducing their position.
Their reason: the downsides outweigh the upsides
@@metalmike570 hell yeah prefer stock than the car
$19k BASE MODEL MSRP!
Off the lot 26k, then add an additional $3-9k for other fancier models!
thanks to John Q. Public who is subsidizing it directly through tax incentives and indirectly through paying for the roads, etc. through their gas taxes which combined make up any financial viability for these things, otherwise these are total money losers ... just look at electrics' resale value
Off the lot? I dont think they sell Tesla's at the local dealership. They sell them straight from Tesla, there is no middle man.
Next models for Tesla: Model "I" and Model "M"
I M S 3 X Y? 😅
I'm waiting for this to come out.
I'm waiting for aliens to make contact.
Hell YES ! ! ! ! !
I WILL BUY ONE NOW ! ! ! ! !