Remembered this scene in KH3, so maybe the person possessing has the ability to remove their influence visually? Terra’s hair and eye color aren’t silver and yellow respectively until he changes it... so it does seem odd. th-cam.com/video/gCnLSl3F8Lk/w-d-xo.html
WaterKH, there is one problem with your theory: the dandelion leaders show the traits of the seven sins of the heart. an example is lauriams intence longing or desire to find out what happened to his sister similar to Luxu's desires or Blaine acting similar to the forteller Ira.
I like your theory but it made me think what if it actually is Xehanort who has the 7th piece inside of him? Since we see each of the foretellers having yellow eyes due to the MoM and we see MoM and YX talking while YX still has silver eyes, wouldn't it be plausible that he put his own piece inside of YX' heart which in turn made his eyes yellow just like the foretellers? And once Master Xehanort got defeated the MoM's piece got released again and this is why in the secret reports Luxu states that the MoM WILL return. Would also make sense in terms of the chess pieces in the epilogue, they show Xehanort's piece which is defeated, thus unlocking the MoM's piece and the next scene shows all of the 7 pieces of the MoM
I actually had this as a supplementary point to my video, but it didn't seem as fleshed out by the time I wanted to release and it did seem more circumstantial, but with the trailers and guidance from the MoM it's possible! I also noticed that their mannerisms were kind of similar to me, like MX holding his hands behind his back, just like the MoM, which if you remember I pointed out that Ventus and Sora share this kind of sharing of this
hey man awesome video, i’ve been on a KH3/ KHUcross binge lately and just wanted to say you put out awesome content. keep doing what you’re doing i don’t know if anyone has made the connection yet but regarding the names of Luxu, Ira, Aced, Invi, Gula, and Ava, their names seem be correlating to opposite definitions of their personality. the seven deadly sins have seven corresponding virtues to sort of act as counterbalances. it would look as what follows: -Ira ( Wrath) would be opppsite to (Patience, tolerance of provocation without responding in anger) -Aced (Sloth) would be opposite to (Diligence, persistence in action) -Invi (Envy) would be opposite to (Gratitude, or selflessness) -Gula (Gluttony) would be opposite to (Temperance, moderation, or self-restraint) -Ava (Greed) would be opposite to (Charity, or altruistic love) -Luxu (Desire) would be opposite to (Chasity, or fidelity) -Superbia (Pride) would be opposite to (Humilty, or low self-regard or not taking oneself too seriously) interestingly, all these characters’ personalities are heavily influenced by their names’ corresponding virtues, however they do all show a flicker of their namesakes’ vice. just didn’t know if anyone pointed that out yet but i thought it was interesting
@@Jaxv3r Yeah I think he was weaker because he wasn’t separated by a keyblade and given a heart like how he was before with Vanitas. After Vanitas lost in bbs he sunk into Ventus heart and lost his heart and became a heartless. He has no heart + has a Physical form so that means he became way weaker. So dark inferno X and Vanitas are the same darkness.
@@sharpshooterxigbar5713 🤔 hmmm I think you’re probably right. It IS odd that darkness doesn’t say anything when Sora questions if it’s Vanitas though 😅
Another interesting connection between Vanitas, MoM, and the book of prophacies. It's small. In the keyblade war event in union cross, we get the official translation of the lost page, which is written as a poem or poemlike. Similarly, the phrase Xehanort says when Vanitas is born from Ventus is also poem like. Possibly being a line from the Book of Prophacies,like the lost page. Lost Page: "Imbalance observed, strength misplaced, a future filled with sorrow. Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow. With a single strike, toll the bells and herald the end, bringing war upon us, as fate did intend." Xehanort Quote: “Empty creature from Ventus riven, to you, the name Vanitas shall be given."
I love this theory, it's so interesting and it could explain why the voice that was talking to Ventus in the Station of Awakening talked about opening a door. Even if Nomura claims it's Sora's heart saving Ventus's, although Nomura isn't technically lying, back then Sora was just a baby and the conversation that both he and Ventus have is so weird when compared to the ending of BBS where Ventus asks Sora if his heart can sleep inside his. *WARNING KH 3 SPOILERS* I mean, why would Sora talk about opening a door? I think there's an impostor who deliberately connected Sora and Ventus's hearts, and the door this impostor is talking about is the door to Kingdom Hearts. Later in BBS, Aqua and Mickey fight Vanitas in the Keyblade Graveyard. A lot of people assume it's really Vanitas the character who both characters are fighting against, but I personally disagree. The fusion of both Ventus and Vanitas's voices is indicating that both Ventus and Vanitas's hearts are still inside Ventus's body while Aqua was fighting him (remember in KH 1 when after Riku was possessed by Xehanort's heart in Hollow Bastion we could hear both Riku and Ansem's voices?), if their hearts were already destroyed the X-Blade would have already disappeared, so if Vanitas pointed out that the X-Blade is broken while fighting Ventus in the Station of Awakening, why was he so confident while fighting Aqua and showed pride (the sin Superbia)? Why is he so surprised when Aqua breaks the X-Blade??? He SHOULD know while fighting her that the X-Blade was bound to fail because it's broken, therefore Vanitas is not fighting Aqua and Mickey: it's someone else. That's why I think there's an impostor, and if your theory is correct, then it could be the Master of Masters using his piece of heart to control Ventus's body and open the door to Kingdom Hearts. I think that the intervention of the Master's heart was what caused the state of the X-Blade to be incomplete and broken. I wonder if Sora could also have a piece of the Master's heart inside him, since he's connected to Ventus and in KH 1 another voice tells Sora both while he's sleeping and in End of the World (before reaching the Door to Darkness) that he'll open the door to the light. And again, if it was really Mickey the voice that was talking to Sora in the beginning of KH1, why would he want the door to KH to be opened? He was actually trying to close it with Sora's help and he went to the Realm of Darkness to find a Keyblade of darkness with which he could close the Door to Darkness. Moreover, Sora felt after waking up from his dream in Destiny Islands that the dream was so real, he was not sure if he was really dreaming or not. Why? Because his heart was being forced by somebody else to use the Power of Waking. Sora was using this power at the end of KH 3, and the Chirithy that he came across told him that he had already been in the Final World more than once through his visits to the Station of Awakening. This could mean that A) the Final World is located in the Realm of Sleep, or B) the Final World is in another realm. Anyway, I think it's a huge red flag that this unknown character would force Sora to use the Power of Waking and harass him by making him fight Heartless and telling him to remember that he'll open the door to the light. It could be somehow related to it the fact that in the opening videos of KH X (Chi) and Unchained X the Book of Prophecies is opened and two pages can be seen which show Sora's Keyblade and his crown symbol (which appears in his Keyblade as well) The X-Blade, which coexists with Kingdom Hearts, has in its design two Keyblades slapped to form an X. And the Keyblade of darkness that Mickey finds in the Dark World (a.k.a the Realm of Darkness) already has the same shape as Sora's Keyblade before he picked it up, when supposedly what shapes a Keyblade are keychains and a person's heart. If the Master has been putting fragments of his heart inside his apprentices and Ventus, it's very likely that he did this to prevent them from betraying him and control everything as much as he is able to do so, he probably doesn't even trust them. Maybe doing this allows him to possess one of them whenever he wants, and if either Luxu or Ava were the character who murdered Strelitzia instead of a new character they might have been temporarily possessed by the Master while commiting this crime or the Master's heart was influencing them on the decisions they make. I know that I don't have enough proof and that it may not make much sense, but I really wonder if the Master is literally the embodiment of Kingdom Hearts. He knew that Maleficent would come from the future and therefore he decided not to make the Book recreate her world so that she wouldn't arrive before the Keyblade War, and he didn't recreate Kairi's world (which is the world where the Emblem Heartless were created by Xehanort) as well when the Foretellers and their Unions still existed. Moreover there are two different Kingdom Hearts, a blue one and a yellow one, Luxu sees the blue one in Back Cover but he's not seen carrying the X-Blade in his hands, so how has he summoned it? Did something else caused it to appear (since Player didn't summon KH nor the X-Blade in KH X)? And where did Xehanort got that blue orb he used to summon the blue KH in BBS? And in 358/2 Days, why does Xemnas claim that Kingdom Hearts will give its respective roles to Roxas, Axel and Xion? If he's literally Kingdom Hearts, that would explain why he knows everything, although it's possible he could have just visited other alternate timelines and then he decided to create the Book based on what he learned from them the before choosing his apprentices. He also is so powerful that he can create life through the Book of Prophecies and by using materials to create the Chirithies, and those beings he creates have hearts, which I think it's very suspicious. Anyway, I'm going to stop speculating because then I'll never finish, wow I've written too much xDD Btw, I think there's evidence of what you comment in the minute 6:27 in DDD. Luxu says in a scene: ''Ooh, I see you've still got that angry look down'', which shows that he knew Ventus's heart is inside Sora and he believes it's influencing Sora's emotions.
Whew, this was a lot to read and keep track of! You definitely have a wide knowledge of Kh lore and that’s pretty awesome! I can’t respond right now, but I Would say That scene with Luxu is at the end of the keyblade war, so all of that lux is being funneled into creating Kingdom Hearts, like Gula described in Back Cover. I’ll have to check out the 6:27 mark and see what you’re referring to! Also, what you were saying above with the MoM, I can definitely see that. I’d have to look more into the Ventus Vanitas fight, because that is odd that they are internally fighting but the person controlling isn’t phased? Usually we see Riku and Terra stopping them in their tracks... so that’s definitely odd
@@WaterKH Thanks! :) No worries, take your time to reply! LOL, I have been obsessed with KH's lore since I saw the cutscene of Maleficent from Union X and I wanted back then to make a theory video based on other theories from YT but it was taking me ages to make it because I needed to learn more about editing videos and I continued reading about the stories on forums, etc. so I've been working on an analysis of KH X, Back Cover and Union X in Google Docs. I'm trying to avoid being obsessed with it, life and health come first. Plus I don't know if I'll ever publish it because I'm making my own theory in my mind and I don't think everyone would have the patience to read it if it sounds crazy in the context of KH xDDD The KH games have so many details in the scenes that I can't help it. P.S: Wow, never thought about the Lux that the Keyblade wielders collected ending up being freed by accident and summoning KH, it makes so much sense. I feel so dumb for not noticing that >_< And yeah, I agree with what you said about Riku and Ansem, it's weird that Ventus and Vanitas fighting each other didn't stop ''Vanitas'' from attacking Aqua and Mickey.
Random thought: if the Master of Masters told Ava to have the Dandelions fly to another world, then what makes a dandelion fly? The wind, which is what Ventus means in Latin. What the connection could be I'm not sure but I think it's one to note.
The thing about Luxu telling Sora about his angry face is that he could be talking about Roxas as well. Not proof that he knows. But it's more than likely he knew all along simply due to Roxas looking like Ventus instead of Sora.
This would explain why they are chess pieces . 7 dark pieces of hearts and 1 light piece. Where theres light... theres darkness. Everyone has a shadow.
I've always thought Ventus was MOM. It's strange how MX chose Ventus in the first place to form the x~blade. MOM must have told YX to target Ventus(not telling YX the full story).
One thing I did notice in Union X is that we don’t know what Ven’s personality was during this point. All we can gather is mostly front BBs and KH3. So, it is completely possible that Ventus may have actually had some sort of darkness, possibly the MOM heart.
This is a damn good theory bro!! Subscribed! Always love these deep dives into theories and this makes a lot of sense! Keep it up man will be putting some discussions to talk about soon! Can't wait for the next theory!
@@WaterKH Will be looking forward to it! A weird question that has been bugging me is who is Luxord? I have been starting to think maybe he might be Brain, thoughts?
Ok, I really really love this theory. It makes a lot of sense. It also serves to explain why the each of the foretellers seems so one dimensional in their characterization; it's because each represents a specific emotion/trait/feature of the original being that shattered their heart. Also, really live the analysis of the stations of awakening. I'll definitely keep an eye an apprentice them better now. As for Vanitas, I think after remind it's safe to assume he is not Ventus' other half but rather a parasitic entity within him. Which also makes sense, I always wondered how could it be possible for one half to be able to spawn all unversed. By that logic, Ventus' should have been able to spawn creatures of his own, or have the power to simply stop him. Yet Vanitas always seems way more powerful than Ventus', couldn't be another half.
honestly, this is probably one of the best KH theories ive seen :) although, if true, im done keeping up and understanding the series ha. oh, and ill sub. ur theories are amazing :)
15:50 top editing! my heart went dead silent in anticipation (i also like your theory, since we know xehanort met with MoM and in BBS, he writes that their encounter was "destined" or fated. CoM occurred while the organization were also searching for ventus, which begs the question why when they have sora to forge the chi-blade with)
I love your vids. I came from your Lux Theory vid and instant subsrcirbed. I like that you have these, caveat segments at the end. It shows that you know where the holes in your theory or when someone tries to poke holes in it, you've already done it. Very thought out and I look forward to more videos from you.
Thank you! 😄 I think I don’t want to present these theories as fact, since I do have these qualms with them, just want to present them as maybe partially accurate. I’m very glad you’re enjoying them! I do have updates on my Twitter for my upcoming video 😄
Amazing theory, man! I always knew Ventus was gonna be crucial for the story going forward. Him being someone who was around during "the age of fairy tales" as Chirithy called it. I still believe in the theory of Demyx being the MoM.
I wonder when the seemingly inexplicable connection between the symbol known as 'Terra's Mark' and the symbol on the BoP will be explained...but anyway, good video! Some very interesting points.
Nice theory. I watched your Lux video as well and Im enjoying your theories so far. Keep up the great work! Im expecting great videos in the future. P.S. this could relate to this theory but I always found it weird how MoM had a list of new Union leaders in Union X which Ventus was one of them. Later on, in Birth by Sleep, Xehanort was Ventus’s master.
i know im two years late to this but to add to the theory, look at the black box. the black box in the caribean had a (literal) heart. in olympus, it was pandoras box which contained all the evils of the world (arguably, the 7 deadly sins). on the top of the box is a heart with MoMs name on it. its surrounded by 13 spikes (the 13 darknesses) and on the inside of the border are 7 spikes. they look like they represent the 7 lights, and they might, but there is a problem. MoMs original plan allowed for all the darknesses to be captured and destroyed but 1, but the way he talks about darkness, nothing short of their destruction will work. he also knows that his plan wont work without people taking their own actions and improvisation. the 7 spikes of light on the inside of the heart divide the heart into 8 pieces. the 6 other sins, with the last two being the ones he keeps til he leaves daybreak town. weve seen that when a strong heart splits, the two forms tend to look like each other. namora showed us davey jones' box to associate a black box with a heart, the thing we cant live without. he showed us pandora's box to associate its legend with a black box. what im saying is: MoM splits his heart into the foretellers and luxu. he leaves daybreak town. he breaks the remainder into two pieces. why would vanity change its form when it is the embodiement of vanity. the last piece, hope, forgoes sleep and in turn gets reincarnated. due to vanitas' memories and MoM's (make sure never to open or else you'll destroy my anchor) black box, hope gets reincarnated into a similar body as MoM. vanitas doesnt look like sora because of ven. sora looks like vanitas because of MoM. sora is MoM's trump card to finish off the darkness and bring back the dandelions and all those lost in the keyblade war just like he did at the keyblade graveyard. Sora is MoM's 8th heart piece, hope.
I find your theory compelling and definitely something to chew on. I would like to point out how prideful Xehanort himself is. He constantly thinks he's in the right and does everything in his power to make sure things go his way. Only at the end of the fighting does he give up, realizing he's completely lost. This pride is also way more prominent and outspoken in his younger self, bordering on the line of arrogance. And seeing Young Xehanort having an interaction with the MoM during a scene in Re:Mind where his eyes are grey could mean that he'd be given that last piece of the heart, Pride, right then and there on that rock. This still aligns with your theory, too. Xehanort passes on at the end of the game, meaning that piece that would need to be restored for the Master to return is restored. And perhaps a catalyst for the return of the other 5 apprentices, excluding Ava who I fully believe is Lea and Isa's mysterious friend that Ansem the Wise experimented on. Maybe he disappeared to a point in time far in the future to give the last piece of his heart to Xehanort. That's just speculation because he'd need a body or something for his heart to be in. This is all just speculation. Maybe something to chew on too.
@@WaterKH Yes you really do your really just like me honestly. your actually one of the best kh content creators i have ever seen honestly you deserve a little bit more subs. btw if you are interested i also a KH creator on youtube so if you would like to see what i discuss feel free to check it out.
Gotta day I was a bit skeptical at the beginning but you build up to something pretty convincing! And to support your theory remember: 1. Ventus has the Missing Ache keyblade in KHUX; 2. In KH3, chirity says he is waiting for his friend/owner. And who else created chirity?! The master of masters :) why was just one chirity in the last world if all keyblade wielded had one? Maybe it was the original and only truly chirity that the MoM created xD
I’m glad! 😄 I know it was quite long, but I felt like I needed to build up my case before presenting it! Huh, yeah, I am actually very curious why there is only one Chirithy, that could be somewhat related to the explanation for sure
Claudio Tapia it’s a “darkness” powered keyblade. Should the master have planted his heart in ventus (this assuming that the MoM belongs to darkness) then is another hint towards this theory.
Just found your channel through Damo, have been watching all your theories, and this one blew my mind. It makes so much sense, I’ll frankly be fairly disappointed if it’s not true.
Thank you so much, that means a lot! 😄 I think there are some things I can add with some new info, but I think the main theory is holding true so far 😊
I understand your point about Ven having a piece of the Master of Masters heart inside his own, and if that is the case, then KH3 may not be the last time we see Vanitas. (Which by the way will make me really happy as I'm a huge fan of Ventus and Vanitas.) This also means that the Master of Masters knew that Ven's heart would be split.
Right, the implications of something like this (not even if my theory is 100% correct) opens up a lot of areas that could be looked at differently. Really excited to see where Union x goes
Im dead convinced yen sid and merlin are the light version of heartless and nobody of MoM. Also i believe whats inside the black box is MoMs heart. Which may itself me kingdom hearts. Thats why the foretellers were forbidden to summon it because it would summon him. As for the meeting with MoM and young xehanort i believe this meeting happened AFTER the events of kh3, but before luxu "summoning" the foretellers. I believe luxu opened the box. Morphing merlin and yen sid back into their true form: MoM. Not mention yen sid having a LITERAL book that told you the future in kh2 and the image of the skull with the candle on both yen sids AND moms desk, AND the space/time shaping powers of both merlin and yen sid. What the box says about "superX" just makes my point even further. Marking the death of the master when his "heart" of actual pure light was split. Upon opening it would bring light back to its full potential and no longer outdone by darkness when MoM becomes "recompleted"... obviously MoM would want to wait untim the opportune time for this. Which is why we have to wait for the next arc!!
I've heard theory that the sins are what the corresponding Foretellers DON'T struggle with: Luxu is very patient, waiting all these years for the prophesies to come true. Ava is not greedy, always helping others before herself. Aced is very passionate. Ira is very kind, never being wrathful. Mom is somewhat humble, concealing his identity as to not draw attention. And so on... Some of these are harder or may be a bit of s stretch, but I also don't remember all of the foretellers very well yet. (I'll get better as they're further developed.) And, of course, this is just an idea, not necessarily true. I would like to hear your thoughts on this take and its implications. Given this, it seems more like MoM would have placed virtues in their hearts rather than sins. Naming them by the corresponding sin may be a writing trick to subvert expectations or make the symbolism to the seven deadly sins more apparent. Or, it may have actual importance. I do like your point that it seems that each character does struggle with one of these sins, even if not their own. It could be representative of the characters' relationships later on. I also like how you're connecting MoM and Vanitas. Some things are shaky, but the artistic similarities are certainly interesting. My guess is that MoM's body and/or heart exists. I agree with your theory that yellow eyes represent darkness, not just possesion by Xehonort. Remember that Dark Aqua had yellow eyes, despite not being 'norted. Overall, great video! I definitely enjoyed watching all of it. The pace was great too, gives some time to think about what you're saying. I might have liked some more visual indicators though. I'm a visual learner, so sometimes its hard for me to keep track of each person, their name, their name's meaning, their color, and other things like that. A table would have been helpful for this one.
I was actually trying to correlate virtues at first alongside of sins, but I couldn't really see them as much or as present as the sins (in my opinion of course!) I may circle back to this comment though for a later video and discuss my thoughts on it (: Vanitas always seemed like an odd out of place character for me, so I wanted to look deeper into his character. Thank you for the tips! I'm still learning all of the animation and visual stuff, so this was actually my first video incorporating them, my previous one only used scenes Lol I will try to add more of these because I too am a visual learner!
Yes, someone finally says this. The splitting of one's heart is nothing new to this series. We have seen this happen a few times already. And the fact that MoM can also split his heart as well. Thank you, I have been waiting for someone to talk about this topic for a long while. (Not the waiting spand of KH3, when KH cover came out)
Glad you enjoyed it! I think I would need more evidence to concretely say one way or the other, but I think I have enough for at least some conjecture!
Even if Ven was meant to be the new vessel for the MoM, he could have done so in hopes of events happening in BBS taking place. Since MoM used his eyes to be able to write the Book of Prophecies, he would know that it would happen and that Vanitas would be created as a result so he used Ven as a temporary vessel. This would allow MoM to become a time travelling entity after his defeat at the end of BBS to ensure the other pieces can come into place. (ie guiding young Xehanort) If his heart is fractured I almost wonder if in future games the Foretellers and Luxu will choose to fully "die" at the hands of Keyblade Wielders to release the heart of the MoM to resurrect him. (makes sense since that's what Xehanort did) Of course I wonder how in all of this how Yen Sid will play a roll.... He is a Master of Masters in his own right..... Wonder if Yen Sid is the Light Master of Masters while the one from Union is the Dark Master of Masters. Could go even further with Xehanort specifically calling for 7 masters of light to combat his 13 darkness... (I was under the impression the X-blade could only be forged when equal power of Light and Dark clash). That these 7 masters are needed to fight the Dark MoM's sins of the heart to forge the pure X- Blade. sorry for rambling.
No need to apologize! I think it’s difficult really to speculate further on the subject since we don’t really have any more info that they’ve given us to go off of, at least from my understanding right now (:
The Masters of masters is Vantias that would be one heck of a twist. Meaning Mom and Sora are connected or the same person. That’s why he had the ability to forge the X blade because the Master of Masters piece of heart was in Ventus. That’s why Xehanort took a shine to him. That piece of heart inside Ventus from the master of masters might had killed strelitza to prevent Strelitza from ruining his plans
That’s possible for sure! I think with Strelitzia, I know we have no confirmation, but I think she was one of the names on the list and probably the circled name, but who knows. I have always found it odd why she was selected like RIGHT before the keyblade war when everyone else seemed to be way before
Ok so hear me out on this one. I’m probably going to go off on a limb on this so please try to bear with me on this. So I was thinking about how he mentioned Ira having Red eyes in Back Cover but then him having Yellow eyes and it being part of the data scape of some sort (he mentioned it in the video). Out of all the known characters (excluding nightmares and the enemies we encounter in the series) who else besides Ira has red eyes or a red eye? Yozora. My reasoning behind this is because of the dialogue him and Sora have when they meet each other at the Final World (but its nighttime). Yozora mentions something along the lines to Sora that what he sees isn’t really his true form. Heck even the lone star Sora meets who greets him with “Good day.” implies that the person she’s searching for isn’t truly him (we come to find out that both the lone star and Yozora are connected to one another in Melody of Memory) so I have a hunch that Yozora probably did have blue eyes before (Like how Sora and the rest of the gang have them, well kind of Riku considering his eyes are more of a pale blue than a deep blue like the others) which in turn like in the video where he mentioned the MOM splitting his heart into 7 pieces which represents the sins of the heart. So with that all said I have a feeling the MOM could have implanted a piece of his heart into Yozora when he mentioned to him to save Sora. which could possibly explain the red colored eye he has and the fact that he doesn’t look like his true form as he does say to Sora when he recognizes him as Yozora. (Now again, it technically wouldn’t answer who would be the seventh vessel for the MOM, but then again I’m not sure if there is another known individual that has red eyes similar to Ira and Yozora.) Again it’s not concrete and please take it with a grain of salt because I like I’ve said before I am going off of a limb with this one. Quick Edit: I’m not disagreeing with the fact that Ventus could be the seventh vessel in which I think he’d be a great candidate with him being a heart made of light and the evidence given here in the video. But something is telling me that there’s a reason why Yozora has a red eye. Coincidence? Only way to find out is to wait I suppose 🤷🏿
Good theory. I feel like Ventus getting his Chirithy back is a hint to this (especially since the Master made all of them) and it's interesting going forward with Sora and Vanitas looking almost identical
Loved this theory!! 🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Man I think my brain grew a few inches I love it! Congratulations!! Your theory gave me a thought. What if the master of masters put his heart in Skuld instead of Ventus? She does have yellow eyes. And of all the union leaders, she's the one that Luxu actually interacted with head on - assuming she's subject x. Maybe she's being kept in the box? 🤔
@@WaterKH they look yellow in the artwork for khux 🤔 but wiki says her eyes are light brown. Up for debate I guess 🤷🏽♀️. In any case, all the union leaders have blue eyes with the exception of Brain and Skuld. Brain's are grey and Skuld... well your guess is as good as mine at this point.
Since there have been some updates to union cross, (spoiler for those who haven't seen any update videos or played it yet) I think this theory has more legs to stand on now that we know that Ventus is the new union/dandelion leader whose name did not appear in the book from Ava, which lists the new union leaders names. It could be that the MoM put his heart piece to lay dormant in Ventus to ensure that piece would exist in the future Ventus would eventually end up in. This would put that final heart piece in play to be moved around in the present storyline of the game. It could be that time moves differently in the world in which union cross takes place it could be that the way Ventus ends up in the current timeline is that he escapes the data world around the time of BBS and that way he was able to end up in the future without time travel. Thus the MoM has ensured his 7th piece got to the future without there being a version of Ventus's heart to time travel to. I'm not like super versed on the full lore so everything I just said could be completely wrong or unfounded. Oof.
Awesome theory! To add to your theory, I have a few things that may be proved different, or that'll enchance the possibility of your theory being true. At, first the mix-up of Aced, Ira, Invi and Gula were very appealing to me, but their behaviour seems to be interconnected with each other in a netural, and a magnetic manner. What I mean is that: Aced's own sin, which is sloth, is an indication of his desire for change with already assumed recongition. He knew that aside from the power he already possesses, a calm and responsible mind is needed to lead the Keyblade wielders, and realize the ideal of a World he sees. Hence, why he said that he'll shape the World according to his ideal, while confronting the Player at the Daybreak Town Plaza. Sloth meets the condition of following the shortest route to ensure the success of one's whims as opposed to the general belief that its main trait is stillness alone. The polarized connection to the other sins, lie within Invi and Ira. Aced, as you've said, takes the envious part from the deadly sin of Invidia and directs it at Ira, who was chosen as the leader of the Fortellers after the Master's disappearance, which would give him the authority and respect that Aced is desperately trying to obtain. On the other hand, that is exactly what begets Aced's disagreement with Invi. The conduct of Aced to toss aside the rules left by the Master, the trait of envy and sloth that shapes his ideal, that's exactly what seemed to be the core that drives him and Invi away from themselves. The "similiar side." The "same side" would then be connected to Ira, in Aced's expression of anger towards any opression, or in his own right, treason he had to deal with. That's the thing that seemingly drifted his person away from Ira, but in fact what made him realize that anger, or rather hastiness was what misguided him. That's why upon meeting Ira in one of the dark alley, after fighting with Invi, Gula nad Ava, he makes peace with Ira, tells him that he respects Ira, and then follows up with the information about the Lost Page, which being concealed by Gula. You see what I mean here? One neutral side, which takes the initial meaning of a sin and transcribes it directly on the conduct and conclusion of a role of a given Forteller, and the 2 "magnetic" traits of other sins that drive the behaviour of a Forteller they disagree with, or the other which they respect, or are fond of. I'd like to explain the idea of those parallels, but it'd take too much time, so the connections are as follows: Gula is fond of Ava(the "opposite" side of a magnet) and is in disagreement with Aced(the "same" side) Aced is fond of Ira(same as above) and is in disagreement with Invi(same as above) Ira is fond of Invi(same as above) and is in disagreement with Gula(same as above) Invi is fond of Ira(same as above) and is in disagreement with Aced(same as above) Ava is fond of Gula(same as above) and is in disagreement with Luxu(same as above) I purposefully left Luxu, The Master and potentially Ventus, because now I want to expand upon your theory that Ventus is the 7th piece, and why the Master disappeared. I think it's clear to say that the Ventus and Vanitas connection to the Master is really accurate, and that's because Luxu himself seems to be close to the Master. There was a scene in KH 358/2 Days, when Xigbar(Luxu) saw Ventus' in Xion's stead, and said something interesting, hinting at a plausible connection, and a confrontation between him and Ventus. That'd make the "same" side out of Luxu in Ven's neutral & magnetic sin compatibility. In the same way, uniquely making the Master into his "opposite" and neutral side at once. Now, for the reason of why the Master disappeared. It's just a short assumption, but maybe the power of waking is a method of splitting the 7 deadly sins that guide the heart and placing them in designated vessels? That'd make a connection to why the Master ended up exactly, where Sora is. By abusing the power of waking and "traversing the (dream) worlds to reach hearts(the hearts of the Foretellers)? Again, thanks for reading through it, if you did, and I really like how much thought you put into this video. One of my favourite KH theories for sure. Cheers.
Wow, this was interesting. I think I understand the magnet/ polarized aspect of the sins 🤔 I would like to see your evidence for the other ones (I get it takes a lot of time to write out, but if you want to message me on Twitter, maybe that would be better!) So I was going to include that 358/2 Days scene to draw on that recognition, but to me, Luxu seems to be referring more to Birth By Sleep rather than KHUx, BUT, the fact that Luxu only met Ventus that one time in the Keyblade graveyard, it does seem to indicate that Ventus had met Luxu before. I really want to see their scene in KHUx and see if there’s any correlation! Thank you for taking the time to write out your addendum to my theory! 😄 I think it does have some merit, I’d have to sit down and dissect it more to see if it fits with my theory. But even if my theory is wrong, yours could very much be correct, good job!
Watching this after all the new information just makes it sound all the more plausible. Ventus having a fragment of the MoM residing in his heart would give a reason as to why he was chosen to replace Strelitzia as a union leader. It also gives more weight to Vanitas’ new Re:Mind dialogue (“I was just hidden deep inside you for a really long time.”)
Holy crap...this actually makes a lot of sense to the point it's creepy. Never even thought of Vanitas = Vanity. I already knew about the 7 deadly sins analogies but that slid right under my radar.
Awesome job dude, the foretellers being the master of masters emotion and them being 7 piece's (just as kairi were splitted to 7 pieces) . I thought the master's heart was inside the black box just like davy jones but now... i'm not sure XD . But the question now is, why? Why did he split his emotions and not like xehanort did with terra? Or what will he gain from splitting his emotions? Oh, can you do an explanation if there is a connection between the land of departure and scala ad caelum (also there was a room in kh1 traverse town gizmo shop , it's kinda looks like the master's studying room) Oh and is yozora a game character like wreck it ralph. Just thinking out loud XD , and thanks for the awesome video .
WaterKH before I continue just wanted to say you’ve got a new sub in me! I’m all for Kingdom Hearts TH-camrs that post quality stuff like this On with my theory... I believe Sora is The Master of Masters. For the longest time I wondered who it could be, surely couldn’t be all these characters people are saying. Demyx? Nope. Riku? Not. Xigbar? Nah. Goofy? Possibly. Both Sora and The Master share similar qualities. Both time traveled, both have blue eyes, both seem to be fond of Ava / Kairi; many suspect they are one in the same which would make sense. Both seemed to not be worthy of the title. Sora is a dull boy and The Master is unprofessional for his role in all this. I genuinely believe that when Sora over used the power of waking (kh3) he travelled into a distant past, present and more importantly, into the future. He saw everything that would happen. Kairi dying no matter what, his friends getting destroyed by darkness and darkness as a whole always being present. I think when Sora saw that all this was inevitable the only way to change it was to focus on the oncoming Future. The Master clearly states this to the Foretellers. He knew the keyblade war would happen and it’s outcome. Darkness would prevail and light expire. He also knew that he himself would somewhat save the day. In the process of doing so though, he’d be thrown into a loop and different timeline. Sora devised a plan, he created for himself a layout. The road he has walked all this time was predetermined, by Sora himself. The Master does seem a bit evil at times but I think the real next big bad will be Luxu. I believe Luxu knows that Sora is The Master or should I say, will become. Remember in Olympus when Xigbar shows up after Hercules saves the citizens from the crumbling roof and building? He talks to Sora about “what the future holds in store for him” and “his reward being right around the corner”. I know it’s not the best of theories and speculation but I am almost certain that our boy, Sora is The Master of Masters
I think for a while, I had some kind of idea bouncing around that Demyx and Luxord were split halves of the MoM, since one was so goofy and useless while the other was extremely smart and calculated. And I still kiiiind of think that? Especially when Luxu is like questioning Luxord, but I don't know, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that. Right, I think I saw a theory at some point that Sora was the MoM and that he set everything up in order to save Kairi, but again, there's really a lack of evidence. But your ideas sound like they have some backing lore. (:
@@blksheepramirez it would be an interesting twist, though i believe that sora is way too naive to actually pull off a plan like this, Sora seemed like the guy with fighting skills and a good heart until now, not the guy to plan out the history of heckin everything
Really good theory, I definitely think there's more to Vanitas for the future that we currently dont know! Pretty much everything we got from Re:Mind I'd say back this up, the only two problems it brought up are, first that Xehanort states he never saw MoM again after their meeting in the Keyblade Graveyard we see in Re:Mind, and second that we now know Ven was the one person that the MoM did NOT put on his list... Ava seems to be the one that picked him in an attempt to change destiny. As a side note because of what we know now thanks to Re:Mind it is clear to me that the MoM had to show at least little extracts of the book of prophecies, even if it was before sending him on his world tour... because all through the series Xehanort has shown clear examples of knowing whats "supposed to happen" and that he has some awareness of the future, hell his defeat quote in his data battle is "This is not what was written" and in both his data battle and his real battle when he defeats you he stats "this was your fate, accept it", when we know darkness was supposed to prevail and light expire and that sora was the one to break the rules of nature and change fate. Anyhoo, sorry for the wall of text, great video man I loved it! You think you'll do a follow up eventually with the new info we got from Re:Mind, or since thats not too much, maybe after we get more from UX?
I’ll have to take a refresh on the cutscenes we have from KHUx, but I think what I gathered was that Ava chose Brain. Whether this means both him and Ventus were then introduced in place of other people is unclear to me. I think after we get the cutscenes from UX, I may circle back yeah (: Just to tie a bow on this theory, or offer new insights. Thank you for watching!
@@WaterKH Ey no problem! Thanks for the response! Yeah, what has actually been oficially revealed so far in the lastest UX udates was that Ava chose Brain to give the Original copy of the book of prophesies (instead of who the MoM marked) and that Ven was the one not in the MoM's list as the new union leaders. Keep up the great work man! ^^
one more theory that Ventus is the master of masters' hiding is that at the end of the kH3, Chirithy found his best friend which is Ventus，and in the union cross cover story，Chirithy is given to the apprentices by the master of masters
I think it's Roxas because Xigbar call him Tiger.I never noticed this until I know they are based of animals.And Roxas is beloved by fans,this is going to hurt them.
This is a personal theory as my evidence is circumstantial rather than conclusive. I think the master of masters is Xigbar/Luxu. (I have also included the failures of my argument at the bottom) The reason is because: 1) Xigbar IS THE ONLY CHARACTER WHO IS MISSING AN EYE!! SIDE NOTE SPECULATION: I think that Xigbar and Yozora are either related or perhaps the same character. The reason is because of the cross bow weapon, the eyes and hair colour. If you put an eye patch on Yozora right eye he can definitely pass as a "younger version of Xigbar". At the end the movie focuses on Yozora's eyes and if you pay attention to his right eye IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THE EYE ON THE BLACK KEY BLADE. Furthermore if you noticed Yozora's eyes his right eye is a different colour from his left eye. Yozora's right eye is a colour similar to the black key blade and his left eye is a colour similar to Xigbar's left eye. It is also not unheard of characters possessing more than one identity so Luxu can be Xigbar and maybe the master of masters ALL AT THE SAME TIME. It is also a guess but the FIGHT STYLE OF YOZORA AND XIGBAR ARE VERY SIMILAR. We know from the back story movie that the master of masters PLACED ONE OF HIS EYES IN THE BLACK KEY BLADE. Also the concepts of time travelling and replica's can make this idea possible especially when Luxu is not given a book of prophecies to ensure that the flow of time GOES AS PLANNED. (WHATEVER THAT MEANS) SPECULATION: I think what is inside the BLACK BOX is A REPLICA/NOBODY. I do not know if it is a replica of Xigbar/luxu or whoever BUT THE SIZE OF THE BOX IMPLICATES THAT IT IS INDEED BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD A PERSON. To me it is LIKELY TO BE A REPLICA/NOBODY because of the reaction that Luxu did when he asked the master of masters "WHAT IS INSIDE THE BOX". There are only a few responses that can shock a calm Luxu I think a likely answer would be something on the lines of "IT'S A BODY" just the mere mention of a BODY INSIDE A BOX WOULD SHOCK ANYONE. If you know that the box is holding a body and the box is not moving the person is EITHER DEAD OR INDUCED IN A DEEP SLEEP. Even more so what happens if the master of masters say that what is inside the box is Luxu. Most definitely that would shock Luxu. You can even look at Luxu visually as a younger version of the master of masters (despite the fact that they are wearing hoodies hiding their identities). 2) Nomura has NOT EXPLAINED how Xigbar lost his eye and it is because of this I think should PLACE SUSPICION ON XIGBAR as something even more since the end of Kingdom Hearts 3 reveals that he is Luxu. That should tell you that there is something even more nested in this "meta level" of thinking. Furthermore both the master of masters and Luxu are always wearing their black hoodies so that you cannot see their faces. Furthermore I personally think that Nomura is using Xigbar/Luxu as a BIGGER DISTRACTION TO DETER YOU TO NOT THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF LUXU HAVING 3 IDENTITIES and being the master of master. The reason I think about this is that THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE A PERSON IS TO PLACE THEM IN PLAIN SIGHT WHERE YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS CREATED FROM YOUR OWN THOUGHTS IS BETRAYING WHAT YOU THINK IS THE TRUTH FROM WHAT IS ACTUALLY REALITY. MAGIC IS A PSYCHOLOGY OF MISDIRECTION AND DECEPTION AND THIS IS THE TECHNIQUE THAT NOMURA AND THE TEAM ARE CONSTANTLY USING TO MISLEAD YOU IN THEIR WRITING. I AM OF COURSE OPEN TO HEAR OTHER OPINIONS but to me what I have presented IS COMPELLING BECAUSE the master of masters eye in the black key blade and Luxu/Xigbar missing an eye IN MY OPNION IS DIRECT EVIDENCE UNTIL NOMURA EXPLAINS HOW DID XIGBAR/LUXU LOSE HIS EYE. The only explanation is that Luxu's eye is missing because IT IS IN THE BLACK KEY BLADE. IF THAT ASSERTION IS TRUE THEN LUXU/XIGBAR IS THE MASTER OF MASTERS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE MASTER OF MASTERS SAID ABOUT THE BLACK KEYBLADE. Failures of my arguments: My theory is depending on the fact that XIGBAR RIGHT EYE COLOUR MUST BE A DIFFERENT COLOUR FROM HIS LEFT. In reality people's pair of eyes should share the same colour BUT THE FACT THAT IT ZOOMS IN ON YOZORA'S EYES PROVES THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT EYE COLOURS ON TWO DIFFERENT EYES. MOST DEFINITELY THERE IS SOMETHING I HAVE MISSED OUT SO I AM DEPENDING ON THIS COMMUNITY TO DISPUTE SOMETHING THAT I HAVE MENTIONED.:P :)
can we talk about the similarities in design with Ansem and Luxord? Ansem and Luxord both share the same facial hair, the same hair color, they both had major mysteries surrounding them, maybe they're connected? what if Ansem is old Luxord? the only real problem i see right now is the name "Luxord" but idk
You know, when I was a kid playing KH2, I legit thought that he was Ansem the Wise’s Nobody. Right, but then again, Luxu doesn’t really have a conversion to a real name, that we know of at least, could be like... Ulu 😂
@@WaterKH The thing is, Luxord looks in every way like a young version of ansem, if Luxord is playing a bigger role in the DLC if not another game, what tells us that he won't get thrown back in time just to become ansem? maybe it'll turn out to be this time paradox where he will lose his memories and call himself ansem because thats like, the only thing he remembers? and maybe he'll be a character from union cross too, just to connect the dots and make Ansem the wise a character that was connected to the story even more than we thought he was anyway (because that is literally what kingdom hearts does EVERY TIME). also, i think "Luxu" isn't a part of the 13, well at least his name isn't, so probably Luxu doesn't form another name, at least that's what i would guess? Also, something to strengthen the idea that Vanitas is "Darkness" from union cross: Vanitas is one of 3 final bosses in Birth by sleep right? it makes sense if you think about it, he is the antagonist to ventus, since he is his dark side. Buuuuut when you think about the importance of the other two bosses, Vanitas seems to be insufficient as a final boss. i mean, it's Xehanort AND Luxu! So what if Vanitas was Darkness? i mean what if Ventus was chosen as one of the new union leaders because he is the perfect Vessel for Darkness? like, what if Darkness is the Darkness left after The MoM split? because it's parts of his heart right? so what if Ventus was chosen so the MoM could store his darkness inside of him, knowing that Xehanort will extract Darkness to give him a form? idk, maybe you have some ideas but i really like the idea of Vanitas being Darkness! it also could lead to alot of Ventus drama in Union Cross which i would like
Bit late but his Somebody name could be Ludor, meaning gamble in Latin if I recall correctly. Or Dulor, sounding like Delude, which is kind of obviously his favorite thing to do to literally everyone.
I feel like maybe the world sora got sent to is where the MoM has been the whole time and sora being there is what will release him from that. The MoM knew that he could be in that world and pass time until sora would arrive and accidentally free him. This could be why young xehanort said that sora is already doomed. Maybe he knew about MoM by then.
@WaterKH great theory. I didn´t think this theory before but I have another parallel theory. My theory is very similar to yours but indead Mom, others seven hearts are the 7 pure light(the princesses). After Ava found out the luxu/mom plan, Ava divided her heart in 7 to try to change the future. In case the 7 pricess were in danger, she will reborn. In kh1 after sora became heartless, there also created a nobody (roxas) but what about Namine. Namine is powerful nobody who lives in the masion of TLT. A pure light like Kairi shouldn´t have a nobody and in the masion TLT there are references about the lost masters (like the unicorn or a supercomputer dataworld of union X). Maybe Namine is Ava but she couldn´t remember who really is. Maybe in future kh we have recover her heart or memory using the keyblade of hearts from kh1, it could be similar as in kh3 remind searching Kairi´s heart.
Maybe so. The master of masters is neither good nor bad and the good part of his heart still lies within Ventus while the bad resides in Vanitas. Vanitas may possibly be a combination of a bit of Sora/Ventus along with some of the master of masters. It’d kinda makes sense. Whenever they seem to get serious they nearly cancel each other. Maybe it’s because sora help fill ventus’ heart while the master of masters also lost a piece. So now Ventus/MoM/Sora all split in half creating Which is the other half
@@WaterKH I misremembered the scene. No Name isn't chained to the wall in the classroom. However the shaft of the Vanitas' keyblade still made me think of it. i10.photobucket.com/albums/a139/HumanDisaster/Screenshot_2019-10-21%201%20Kingdom%20Hearts%203%20Trailer%20E3%202015%20-%20TH-cam_zpstcj9nujs.png
On the subject of eyes, the pureblood heartless that Aqua fights in BBS at the very end of the secret episode also has red eyes. Also it makes sense for dream eaters to have yellow or red eyes as they are the darkness within dreams, even the good ones. It isn't all that clear what is the difference between the two colors but I agree that both seem to say darkness in some way. Also Invi's eyes are yellow? I have looked and looked at Invi's mask and have been unable to see what her eye color is. I was starting to think that her mask was blind. Though if you look at where her eyes would be you see what looks like blue glass. I will believe you that they are yellow because I think that it makes the most sense but it is very nice to find someone that is able to see the color of her mask's eyes. I am not sure that I believe this theory or not but I greatly enjoyed hearing it and I will keep it in mind. I am not really sure what I think of Vanitas. Some days I think that he really isn't a part of Vnetus and is in fact something else. Then other days I think he only makes sense if he was once Ventus. I have had people with very good arguments for both ways of looking at him. It is true that if I had a hope it is that Vanitas is a natural being of darkness who hid in Ventus. However I don't really mind which or whose theory is right about him. He is one of my favorite villain characters and I am pretty sure I will love anything that they do with him.
Yeah, I couldn’t tell if that was Vanitas actually or if it was him time traveling, because the other’s actually had bodies right? But I guess at this point Vexen hadn’t produced another new body for Vanitas
@@WaterKH it seems like they had an incomplete replica body since they seemed to have perfected it during kh3, though them disappearing during the end of dream drop makes me believe they were all time travelling with young xehanort
@@WaterKH They stated in Monstropolis that Vanitas new body was created form the negative emotions that Randal had been soliciting from children. Not to mention that the Secret Reports state that Vexen had actually created 20 or so prototype replicas.
Ira is the traitor guys! Red eyes + the same eye color as nightmares... if it is not enough, here are more reasons: The whole story focus on "ROLE", it takes nearly half of the content there. So, to find who the traitor is, we should find who is not doing their jobs (Also from the conversation of Gula and MOM). First of all MOM and Luxu did not directly "betray" anyone right? Did they fall into Darkness? nope. Were they not doing their job/ fulfilling their roles? NO! MOM does not even have a role and Luxu, according to MOM, will fulfill his role. So, they are NOT the traitor. Even Ira said, right from the beginning of the Black cover X, "it isONE OF US IN THIS ROOM". As for Ava, seriously, was she not doing her job? I think she completed her job well. In short, I think Ira is the traitor. Aced has been used by him, Aced's duty = "his right-hand man" right? He is the "first" to discover nightmare and plant the seed of doubt to other foretellers. He is very angry about the lost page as it might blow his cover, that's why he MUST see that page. When everyone does not accept Aced, only he forgives him, I think it is because Ira needs more unions in the war. And the most important point: Who deviates his job with the one given by the MOM? Its Ira, he does not lead anyone He once believes the war should be stopped but later on, he changed. I am not sure what he has gone through. But from the message given by Lost page: "Imbalance observed, strength misplaced, a future filled with sorrow. Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow.
As for the master of Masters it seems to me that he has a sinister psychotic nature to himself that he finds both enjoying and noticeable but only with luxu he seems to have even darker at the same time his normal behavior with but more in the evil sense but you can tell his evil intentions right off the bat a little with the other five foretellers
He already did in KH3. If he prevents the Terranort from killing everyone. As if he had no reason to travel 100 years in the past. Kairi is safe too. In addition, Sora is not one who has the necessary knowledge or intelligence.
Something that came to mind while watching this video: What if the Master of Masters is actually in Sora now? The only basis I really have for this is Sora telling Xehanort at the end what consists of a real leader, that being accepting fate, which is something the Master seems really intent on pushing. If he were in Sora, this would also be a case of someone influencing Sora from within, something that happens a good bit within KH3
Hmm, I think the thing that would refute that would be the Ienzo didn’t find anything in Sora that wasn’t Xion, Ventus or Roxas? I feel like he would have said something if he were inside Sora 🤔
One thing I do want to add is that Vanitas is pure negativity from Ventus’ heart, right? So he is pure darkness, which subtracts from Ventus, meaning he isn’t necessarily “possessed” by darkness/xehanort/MoM. Buuuut, along with that, despite being a full heart in KH3 (Light and Darkness) Vanitas still appears, which might also explain why he doesn’t have the eyes, or perhaps MoM has already started reappearing at that point and can come to life, taking the separate pieces of his heart.
I would say Vanitas is the piece of heart of the MoM that is pride, along with the darkness that is in Ventus’s heart. But the evidence I did provide I would say is more circumstantial than concrete
Is it possible then that the box is just the MoM's body? Idk if this is already something people commonly think or not. But just b/c there was that whole thing with Ventus' body being left behind without his heart in the Land of Departure, and in order for Ventus to return in KH3 they had to be reunited. So it would make sense for the MoM's body to also be needed when all his heart pieces are brought back together. If his name is actually what is written on the top of it it's kinda like a coffin too. Idrk tho ahaha oh also could the blue/gold eye options be related to the two different colors that Kingdom Hearts itself has been seen as being? the mom seemed interested in the yellow moon in the secret ending or something
also really quick ( not sure if this is said or not ), MoM's keyblade. He said HIS EYE is in there. Going on the fact that one's eyes are a gateway to one's soul (a true self ). Then going off of your theory. The reason why Ventus's eyes are blue shows because he holds the true self MoM, (Pride, Vainglory).
hey, if you're gonna try animation, do it vectorbased, i think it would make it a thousand times easier and sometimes maybe more pleasing to look at! i loved this btw, keep it up!
There's so much complexity in the setup for the foretellers saga. Makes me think that Nomura got ahead of himself and became far more interested in writing the next saga while he still had to finish KH3 and that's why that game felt so underwhelming. He seems to enjoy foreshadowing elaborate plots much more than finishing already established ones.
Super nice videos. I noticed something that could further prove your idea that Ventus is somehow connected with the MoM. When Luxu fights with Xion he literally see her face as Ventus and asks her "why above everyone I see his face?" If it is true that you see the person you are more connected to when looking at Xion for the first time, well I think that Luxu proved enough that he is extremely connected to the MoM. Otherwise that scene makes no sense to me at all. Why should he see Ventus' face?
interesting. you and I knew all of the same things, yet only you came to this conclusion. perhaps if.... thinking of ventus brought me any sort of -you know- joy.....
So that’s true, except the red eyes seem like an overlay, and actually may in fact be some kind of possession and/or data kind of effect, since it seems to be kind of digital. I believe it statics when you hit it out of it? I would have to replay though, but I was looking into it with the latest video I’m working on 😄
Remembered this scene in KH3, so maybe the person possessing has the ability to remove their influence visually? Terra’s hair and eye color aren’t silver and yellow respectively until he changes it... so it does seem odd. th-cam.com/video/gCnLSl3F8Lk/w-d-xo.html
WaterKH, there is one problem with your theory: the dandelion leaders show the traits of the seven sins of the heart. an example is lauriams intence longing or desire to find out what happened to his sister similar to Luxu's desires or Blaine acting similar to the forteller Ira.
I like your theory but it made me think what if it actually is Xehanort who has the 7th piece inside of him? Since we see each of the foretellers having yellow eyes due to the MoM and we see MoM and YX talking while YX still has silver eyes, wouldn't it be plausible that he put his own piece inside of YX' heart which in turn made his eyes yellow just like the foretellers? And once Master Xehanort got defeated the MoM's piece got released again and this is why in the secret reports Luxu states that the MoM WILL return.
Would also make sense in terms of the chess pieces in the epilogue, they show Xehanort's piece which is defeated, thus unlocking the MoM's piece and the next scene shows all of the 7 pieces of the MoM
Hmm, I can see that, although what would the other traits be for the other dandelion leaders?
I actually had this as a supplementary point to my video, but it didn't seem as fleshed out by the time I wanted to release and it did seem more circumstantial, but with the trailers and guidance from the MoM it's possible! I also noticed that their mannerisms were kind of similar to me, like MX holding his hands behind his back, just like the MoM, which if you remember I pointed out that Ventus and Sora share this kind of sharing of this
hey man awesome video, i’ve been on a KH3/ KHUcross binge lately and just wanted to say you put out awesome content. keep doing what you’re doing
i don’t know if anyone has made the connection yet but regarding the names of Luxu, Ira, Aced, Invi, Gula, and Ava, their names seem be correlating to opposite definitions of their personality.
the seven deadly sins have seven corresponding virtues to sort of act as counterbalances. it would look as what follows:
-Ira ( Wrath) would be opppsite to (Patience, tolerance of provocation without responding in anger)
-Aced (Sloth) would be opposite to (Diligence, persistence in action)
-Invi (Envy) would be opposite to (Gratitude, or selflessness)
-Gula (Gluttony) would be opposite to (Temperance, moderation, or self-restraint)
-Ava (Greed) would be opposite to (Charity, or altruistic love)
-Luxu (Desire) would be opposite to (Chasity, or fidelity)
-Superbia (Pride) would be opposite to (Humilty, or low self-regard or not taking oneself too seriously)
interestingly, all these characters’ personalities are heavily influenced by their names’ corresponding virtues, however they do all show a flicker of their namesakes’ vice.
just didn’t know if anyone pointed that out yet but i thought it was interesting
So MoM is doing what Father did with the humunculus in Full Metal Alchemist.
Saulothebebop this comment is underrated
I meant to heart this when I first saw it! When I was writing the script I had the exact same thought Lol
I love Fullmetal Alchemist and Kingdom Hearts so this comment wins my heartfelt appreciation!
Im the 69th like
Nina nooooooo...... lol
When you defeat Vanitas in Re:Mind, his death cry is "I need... the rest of me..."
Yeah since his or even IT "Darkness" from Union Cross, mah boi even fought Sora as weak ass Dark Inferno
@@Jaxv3r
Yeah I think he was weaker because he wasn’t separated by a keyblade and given a heart like how he was before with Vanitas. After Vanitas lost in bbs he sunk into Ventus heart and lost his heart and became a heartless. He has no heart + has a Physical form so that means he became way weaker.
So dark inferno X and Vanitas are the same darkness.
@@sharpshooterxigbar5713 🤔 hmmm I think you’re probably right. It IS odd that darkness doesn’t say anything when Sora questions if it’s Vanitas though 😅
Well we do know now that
7 pink shards = 1 Kairi
So you might just the on to something. 😂
Another interesting connection between Vanitas, MoM, and the book of prophacies. It's small. In the keyblade war event in union cross, we get the official translation of the lost page, which is written as a poem or poemlike. Similarly, the phrase Xehanort says when Vanitas is born from Ventus is also poem like. Possibly being a line from the Book of Prophacies,like the lost page.
Lost Page: "Imbalance observed, strength misplaced, a future filled with sorrow.
Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow.
With a single strike, toll the bells and herald the end, bringing war upon us, as fate did intend."
Xehanort Quote:
“Empty creature from Ventus riven, to you, the name Vanitas shall be given."
Very interesting indeed 🤔 I’m wondering if everything Xehanort ends up doing is directly guided by the MoM. Good catch!
This was so well done! Good job man!
Thank you! I hope it was all clear 😂
That opening was FIRE
I loved making that intro, I was really happy with how it turned out :D
I love this theory, it's so interesting and it could explain why the voice that was talking to Ventus in the Station of Awakening talked about opening a door. Even if Nomura claims it's Sora's heart saving Ventus's, although Nomura isn't technically lying, back then Sora was just a baby and the conversation that both he and Ventus have is so weird when compared to the ending of BBS where Ventus asks Sora if his heart can sleep inside his.
*WARNING KH 3 SPOILERS*
I mean, why would Sora talk about opening a door? I think there's an impostor who deliberately connected Sora and Ventus's hearts, and the door this impostor is talking about is the door to Kingdom Hearts. Later in BBS, Aqua and Mickey fight Vanitas in the Keyblade Graveyard. A lot of people assume it's really Vanitas the character who both characters are fighting against, but I personally disagree. The fusion of both Ventus and Vanitas's voices is indicating that both Ventus and Vanitas's hearts are still inside Ventus's body while Aqua was fighting him (remember in KH 1 when after Riku was possessed by Xehanort's heart in Hollow Bastion we could hear both Riku and Ansem's voices?), if their hearts were already destroyed the X-Blade would have already disappeared, so if Vanitas pointed out that the X-Blade is broken while fighting Ventus in the Station of Awakening, why was he so confident while fighting Aqua and showed pride (the sin Superbia)? Why is he so surprised when Aqua breaks the X-Blade??? He SHOULD know while fighting her that the X-Blade was bound to fail because it's broken, therefore Vanitas is not fighting Aqua and Mickey: it's someone else.
That's why I think there's an impostor, and if your theory is correct, then it could be the Master of Masters using his piece of heart to control Ventus's body and open the door to Kingdom Hearts. I think that the intervention of the Master's heart was what caused the state of the X-Blade to be incomplete and broken. I wonder if Sora could also have a piece of the Master's heart inside him, since he's connected to Ventus and in KH 1 another voice tells Sora both while he's sleeping and in End of the World (before reaching the Door to Darkness) that he'll open the door to the light.
And again, if it was really Mickey the voice that was talking to Sora in the beginning of KH1, why would he want the door to KH to be opened? He was actually trying to close it with Sora's help and he went to the Realm of Darkness to find a Keyblade of darkness with which he could close the Door to Darkness. Moreover, Sora felt after waking up from his dream in Destiny Islands that the dream was so real, he was not sure if he was really dreaming or not. Why? Because his heart was being forced by somebody else to use the Power of Waking. Sora was using this power at the end of KH 3, and the Chirithy that he came across told him that he had already been in the Final World more than once through his visits to the Station of Awakening. This could mean that A) the Final World is located in the Realm of Sleep, or B) the Final World is in another realm.
Anyway, I think it's a huge red flag that this unknown character would force Sora to use the Power of Waking and harass him by making him fight Heartless and telling him to remember that he'll open the door to the light. It could be somehow related to it the fact that in the opening videos of KH X (Chi) and Unchained X the Book of Prophecies is opened and two pages can be seen which show Sora's Keyblade and his crown symbol (which appears in his Keyblade as well) The X-Blade, which coexists with Kingdom Hearts, has in its design two Keyblades slapped to form an X. And the Keyblade of darkness that Mickey finds in the Dark World (a.k.a the Realm of Darkness) already has the same shape as Sora's Keyblade before he picked it up, when supposedly what shapes a Keyblade are keychains and a person's heart.
If the Master has been putting fragments of his heart inside his apprentices and Ventus, it's very likely that he did this to prevent them from betraying him and control everything as much as he is able to do so, he probably doesn't even trust them. Maybe doing this allows him to possess one of them whenever he wants, and if either Luxu or Ava were the character who murdered Strelitzia instead of a new character they might have been temporarily possessed by the Master while commiting this crime or the Master's heart was influencing them on the decisions they make. I know that I don't have enough proof and that it may not make much sense, but I really wonder if the Master is literally the embodiment of Kingdom Hearts. He knew that Maleficent would come from the future and therefore he decided not to make the Book recreate her world so that she wouldn't arrive before the Keyblade War, and he didn't recreate Kairi's world (which is the world where the Emblem Heartless were created by Xehanort) as well when the Foretellers and their Unions still existed.
Moreover there are two different Kingdom Hearts, a blue one and a yellow one, Luxu sees the blue one in Back Cover but he's not seen carrying the X-Blade in his hands, so how has he summoned it? Did something else caused it to appear (since Player didn't summon KH nor the X-Blade in KH X)? And where did Xehanort got that blue orb he used to summon the blue KH in BBS? And in 358/2 Days, why does Xemnas claim that Kingdom Hearts will give its respective roles to Roxas, Axel and Xion?
If he's literally Kingdom Hearts, that would explain why he knows everything, although it's possible he could have just visited other alternate timelines and then he decided to create the Book based on what he learned from them the before choosing his apprentices. He also is so powerful that he can create life through the Book of Prophecies and by using materials to create the Chirithies, and those beings he creates have hearts, which I think it's very suspicious.
Anyway, I'm going to stop speculating because then I'll never finish, wow I've written too much xDD Btw, I think there's evidence of what you comment in the minute 6:27 in DDD. Luxu says in a scene: ''Ooh, I see you've still got that angry look down'', which shows that he knew Ventus's heart is inside Sora and he believes it's influencing Sora's emotions.
Whew, this was a lot to read and keep track of! You definitely have a wide knowledge of Kh lore and that’s pretty awesome! I can’t respond right now, but I Would say That scene with Luxu is at the end of the keyblade war, so all of that lux is being funneled into creating Kingdom Hearts, like Gula described in Back Cover. I’ll have to check out the 6:27 mark and see what you’re referring to! Also, what you were saying above with the MoM, I can definitely see that. I’d have to look more into the Ventus Vanitas fight, because that is odd that they are internally fighting but the person controlling isn’t phased? Usually we see Riku and Terra stopping them in their tracks... so that’s definitely odd
@@WaterKH Thanks! :) No worries, take your time to reply!
LOL, I have been obsessed with KH's lore since I saw the cutscene of Maleficent from Union X and I wanted back then to make a theory video based on other theories from YT but it was taking me ages to make it because I needed to learn more about editing videos and I continued reading about the stories on forums, etc. so I've been working on an analysis of KH X, Back Cover and Union X in Google Docs. I'm trying to avoid being obsessed with it, life and health come first. Plus I don't know if I'll ever publish it because I'm making my own theory in my mind and I don't think everyone would have the patience to read it if it sounds crazy in the context of KH xDDD The KH games have so many details in the scenes that I can't help it.
P.S: Wow, never thought about the Lux that the Keyblade wielders collected ending up being freed by accident and summoning KH, it makes so much sense. I feel so dumb for not noticing that >_<
And yeah, I agree with what you said about Riku and Ansem, it's weird that Ventus and Vanitas fighting each other didn't stop ''Vanitas'' from attacking Aqua and Mickey.
Random thought: if the Master of Masters told Ava to have the Dandelions fly to another world, then what makes a dandelion fly? The wind, which is what Ventus means in Latin.
What the connection could be I'm not sure but I think it's one to note.
What's the TL;DR on this?
The thing about Luxu telling Sora about his angry face is that he could be talking about Roxas as well. Not proof that he knows. But it's more than likely he knew all along simply due to Roxas looking like Ventus instead of Sora.
This would explain why they are chess pieces
. 7 dark pieces of hearts and 1 light piece. Where theres light... theres darkness. Everyone has a shadow.
I think in the latest KHUx update, the MoM even says this
7 light actually 6 stars and a crown
@@nekogamer2508 nice catch
I've always thought Ventus was MOM. It's strange how MX chose Ventus in the first place to form the x~blade. MOM must have told YX to target Ventus(not telling YX the full story).
I had no idea KH creators were so connected. What a friendly community. Love Damo's videos, and now I love yours too! Subscribed,
One thing I did notice in Union X is that we don’t know what Ven’s personality was during this point. All we can gather is mostly front BBs and KH3.
So, it is completely possible that Ventus may have actually had some sort of darkness, possibly the MOM heart.
Wow you nailed this, so many points that never crossed my mind! Amazing job!
Man I’m so glad your channel popped up on my recommendeds
Subscribed ! Your theory kept me captivated till the end, can't wait to see more content from you !
I’m so glad to hear that 😄 Thank you very much!
This is a damn good theory bro!! Subscribed! Always love these deep dives into theories and this makes a lot of sense! Keep it up man will be putting some discussions to talk about soon! Can't wait for the next theory!
Thanks! This means a lot 😄 Next theory is already being written!
@@WaterKH Will be looking forward to it! A weird question that has been bugging me is who is Luxord? I have been starting to think maybe he might be Brain, thoughts?
Luxord.... I don’t know honestly 😅 It’s kind of too up in the air for me to reaaaally give anything with any backing evidence
I cannot express how happy I am to have found this channel! Amazing work! I cannot wait to see how missing link might play into this theory!
Ok, I really really love this theory. It makes a lot of sense. It also serves to explain why the each of the foretellers seems so one dimensional in their characterization; it's because each represents a specific emotion/trait/feature of the original being that shattered their heart.
Also, really live the analysis of the stations of awakening. I'll definitely keep an eye an apprentice them better now.
As for Vanitas, I think after remind it's safe to assume he is not Ventus' other half but rather a parasitic entity within him. Which also makes sense, I always wondered how could it be possible for one half to be able to spawn all unversed. By that logic, Ventus' should have been able to spawn creatures of his own, or have the power to simply stop him. Yet Vanitas always seems way more powerful than Ventus', couldn't be another half.
Awesome video ! Awesome montage et super theory ! ❤️
Great video dude! I can see your channel growing with quality content!
Thank you!
Loving the attention your getting! I'm subbed!
Thank you! 😄
MoM name is supe
Hes at soup
*REMMY CONFIRMED AS MOM*
Wow i did not realize you only have 552 subs. Such great composition for this vid, and really enjoyable.
Thank you! Yeah, I’m not too worried about the low subs, I think I would feel even more pressure and stress if I had more 😂
honestly, this is probably one of the best KH theories ive seen :)
although, if true, im done keeping up and understanding the series ha.
oh, and ill sub. ur theories are amazing :)
Thank you! 😄 I would love to see this theory prove true, I guess we’ll see with the new KHUx story updates when they come maybe?
15:50 top editing! my heart went dead silent in anticipation (i also like your theory, since we know xehanort met with MoM and in BBS, he writes that their encounter was "destined" or fated. CoM occurred while the organization were also searching for ventus, which begs the question why when they have sora to forge the chi-blade with)
I guess because Terra’s influence on Xemnas 🤔
Love these theory vids, keep it up
I always assumed due to how chirithy waited for Ventus for so long I assumed it was him.
Then again eraqus came back so maybe not
Assumed he was who? The Master of Masters?
You earned yourself a sub my friend! AMAZING THEORY!
I love it, and I am excited to see if it proves true!
😄 Thank you! I think the next update in KHUx will give us a lot of info!
This was an absolute great video dude. Hope you get so many more subscribers cause you deserve it.
Thank you! It's honestly really fun just putting my theories out there, really glad people are enjoying them so much!
@@WaterKH you've got more guts than me. I have my own theories but I couldn't put them out there like you.
I’m sure you could! If you do, be sure to let me know, I’d love to watch them 😄
I love your vids. I came from your Lux Theory vid and instant subsrcirbed.
I like that you have these, caveat segments at the end. It shows that you know where the holes in your theory or when someone tries to poke holes in it, you've already done it.
Very thought out and I look forward to more videos from you.
Thank you! 😄 I think I don’t want to present these theories as fact, since I do have these qualms with them, just want to present them as maybe partially accurate. I’m very glad you’re enjoying them! I do have updates on my Twitter for my upcoming video 😄
@@WaterKH You're clear on what's theory and what could be headcanon.
And I think i missed something but whats yur twitter.
It’s @water_kh - I probably could have made that more clear, oops!
Amazing theory, man! I always knew Ventus was gonna be crucial for the story going forward. Him being someone who was around during "the age of fairy tales" as Chirithy called it. I still believe in the theory of Demyx being the MoM.
I had a head cannon for a while that Luxord and Demyx were the two halves of MoM But it didn’t really have any basis Lol
I wonder when the seemingly inexplicable connection between the symbol known as 'Terra's Mark' and the symbol on the BoP will be explained...but anyway, good video! Some very interesting points.
This is an amazing theory!!
Nice theory. I watched your Lux video as well and Im enjoying your theories so far. Keep up the great work! Im expecting great videos in the future.
P.S.
this could relate to this theory but I always found it weird how MoM had a list of new Union leaders in Union X which Ventus was one of them. Later on, in Birth by Sleep, Xehanort was Ventus’s master.
Thank you so much! 😄 I also found it odd that Ventus was listed as one of the names, seems kind of odd to me how it seems intentional
i know im two years late to this but to add to the theory, look at the black box. the black box in the caribean had a (literal) heart. in olympus, it was pandoras box which contained all the evils of the world (arguably, the 7 deadly sins). on the top of the box is a heart with MoMs name on it. its surrounded by 13 spikes (the 13 darknesses) and on the inside of the border are 7 spikes. they look like they represent the 7 lights, and they might, but there is a problem. MoMs original plan allowed for all the darknesses to be captured and destroyed but 1, but the way he talks about darkness, nothing short of their destruction will work. he also knows that his plan wont work without people taking their own actions and improvisation.
the 7 spikes of light on the inside of the heart divide the heart into 8 pieces. the 6 other sins, with the last two being the ones he keeps til he leaves daybreak town. weve seen that when a strong heart splits, the two forms tend to look like each other. namora showed us davey jones' box to associate a black box with a heart, the thing we cant live without. he showed us pandora's box to associate its legend with a black box.
what im saying is: MoM splits his heart into the foretellers and luxu. he leaves daybreak town. he breaks the remainder into two pieces. why would vanity change its form when it is the embodiement of vanity. the last piece, hope, forgoes sleep and in turn gets reincarnated. due to vanitas' memories and MoM's (make sure never to open or else you'll destroy my anchor) black box, hope gets reincarnated into a similar body as MoM. vanitas doesnt look like sora because of ven. sora looks like vanitas because of MoM. sora is MoM's trump card to finish off the darkness and bring back the dandelions and all those lost in the keyblade war just like he did at the keyblade graveyard. Sora is MoM's 8th heart piece, hope.
I find your theory compelling and definitely something to chew on.
I would like to point out how prideful Xehanort himself is. He constantly thinks he's in the right and does everything in his power to make sure things go his way. Only at the end of the fighting does he give up, realizing he's completely lost. This pride is also way more prominent and outspoken in his younger self, bordering on the line of arrogance. And seeing Young Xehanort having an interaction with the MoM during a scene in Re:Mind where his eyes are grey could mean that he'd be given that last piece of the heart, Pride, right then and there on that rock. This still aligns with your theory, too. Xehanort passes on at the end of the game, meaning that piece that would need to be restored for the Master to return is restored.
And perhaps a catalyst for the return of the other 5 apprentices, excluding Ava who I fully believe is Lea and Isa's mysterious friend that Ansem the Wise experimented on.
Maybe he disappeared to a point in time far in the future to give the last piece of his heart to Xehanort. That's just speculation because he'd need a body or something for his heart to be in.
This is all just speculation. Maybe something to chew on too.
im really impressed by this theory dude keep it up!!
Thank you! 😄 That always means a lot when I hear that, I spent a lot of time and effort on this!
@@WaterKH Yes you really do your really just like me honestly. your actually one of the best kh content creators i have ever seen honestly you deserve a little bit more subs. btw if you are interested i also a KH creator on youtube so if you would like to see what i discuss feel free to check it out.
Sweet! Maybe send me one you want me to watch on Twitter and I’ll check it out 😄
@@WaterKH Sure dude i will
Gotta day I was a bit skeptical at the beginning but you build up to something pretty convincing! And to support your theory remember:
1. Ventus has the Missing Ache keyblade in KHUX;
2. In KH3, chirity says he is waiting for his friend/owner. And who else created chirity?! The master of masters :) why was just one chirity in the last world if all keyblade wielded had one? Maybe it was the original and only truly chirity that the MoM created xD
I’m glad! 😄 I know it was quite long, but I felt like I needed to build up my case before presenting it! Huh, yeah, I am actually very curious why there is only one Chirithy, that could be somewhat related to the explanation for sure
can u explain what Missing Ache has to do with anything?
Claudio Tapia it’s a “darkness” powered keyblade. Should the master have planted his heart in ventus (this assuming that the MoM belongs to darkness) then is another hint towards this theory.
@@Thegmarc it doesn't have the eye tho right?
Claudio Tapia nope, but Vanitas does although. And he came from Ventus
Keep it going bro amazing video
Thanks man, really glad you liked it :)
Good theory as always my dude
Thanks man! 😄
Just found your channel through Damo, have been watching all your theories, and this one blew my mind. It makes so much sense, I’ll frankly be fairly disappointed if it’s not true.
Thank you so much, that means a lot! 😄 I think there are some things I can add with some new info, but I think the main theory is holding true so far 😊
Great theory, Water, I love it! It makes sense!
Thanks Cami! 😄 I’m sure my lines of thought are a bit scrambled on this one, but hopefully you could follow some of it!
I understand your point about Ven having a piece of the Master of Masters heart inside his own, and if that is the case, then KH3 may not be the last time we see Vanitas. (Which by the way will make me really happy as I'm a huge fan of Ventus and Vanitas.) This also means that the Master of Masters knew that Ven's heart would be split.
Right, the implications of something like this (not even if my theory is 100% correct) opens up a lot of areas that could be looked at differently. Really excited to see where Union x goes
The nervous shy talking in the end ... is sooooo adorable xD
vanitas is so great and im glad you like him too~
Aww, I think that line is like at the end end of the video, thank you!
Loved the theory!
Thank you! 😄😄
Im dead convinced yen sid and merlin are the light version of heartless and nobody of MoM. Also i believe whats inside the black box is MoMs heart. Which may itself me kingdom hearts. Thats why the foretellers were forbidden to summon it because it would summon him. As for the meeting with MoM and young xehanort i believe this meeting happened AFTER the events of kh3, but before luxu "summoning" the foretellers. I believe luxu opened the box. Morphing merlin and yen sid back into their true form: MoM.
Not mention yen sid having a LITERAL book that told you the future in kh2 and the image of the skull with the candle on both yen sids AND moms desk, AND the space/time shaping powers of both merlin and yen sid. What the box says about "superX" just makes my point even further. Marking the death of the master when his "heart" of actual pure light was split. Upon opening it would bring light back to its full potential and no longer outdone by darkness when MoM becomes "recompleted"... obviously MoM would want to wait untim the opportune time for this. Which is why we have to wait for the next arc!!
I've heard theory that the sins are what the corresponding Foretellers DON'T struggle with:
Luxu is very patient, waiting all these years for the prophesies to come true. Ava is not greedy, always helping others before herself. Aced is very passionate. Ira is very kind, never being wrathful. Mom is somewhat humble, concealing his identity as to not draw attention. And so on... Some of these are harder or may be a bit of s stretch, but I also don't remember all of the foretellers very well yet. (I'll get better as they're further developed.) And, of course, this is just an idea, not necessarily true. I would like to hear your thoughts on this take and its implications.
Given this, it seems more like MoM would have placed virtues in their hearts rather than sins. Naming them by the corresponding sin may be a writing trick to subvert expectations or make the symbolism to the seven deadly sins more apparent. Or, it may have actual importance.
I do like your point that it seems that each character does struggle with one of these sins, even if not their own. It could be representative of the characters' relationships later on.
I also like how you're connecting MoM and Vanitas. Some things are shaky, but the artistic similarities are certainly interesting. My guess is that MoM's body and/or heart exists.
I agree with your theory that yellow eyes represent darkness, not just possesion by Xehonort. Remember that Dark Aqua had yellow eyes, despite not being 'norted.
Overall, great video! I definitely enjoyed watching all of it. The pace was great too, gives some time to think about what you're saying. I might have liked some more visual indicators though. I'm a visual learner, so sometimes its hard for me to keep track of each person, their name, their name's meaning, their color, and other things like that. A table would have been helpful for this one.
I was actually trying to correlate virtues at first alongside of sins, but I couldn't really see them as much or as present as the sins (in my opinion of course!) I may circle back to this comment though for a later video and discuss my thoughts on it (: Vanitas always seemed like an odd out of place character for me, so I wanted to look deeper into his character. Thank you for the tips! I'm still learning all of the animation and visual stuff, so this was actually my first video incorporating them, my previous one only used scenes Lol I will try to add more of these because I too am a visual learner!
Great video
Yes, someone finally says this. The splitting of one's heart is nothing new to this series. We have seen this happen a few times already. And the fact that MoM can also split his heart as well. Thank you, I have been waiting for someone to talk about this topic for a long while. (Not the waiting spand of KH3, when KH cover came out)
Glad you enjoyed it! I think I would need more evidence to concretely say one way or the other, but I think I have enough for at least some conjecture!
This is an awesome video
Wow, never considered the master of masters placing pieces of his heart in the foretellers! Which is the same thing Xehanort did.
It blows my mind to think this dude has had most of this thought out back in the early 2000's
O_o 0_o......... O_O My mind as been blown away by a wind of knowledge... i have so many questions. but it all makes sense.....
So many questions, so little time 😂
Even if Ven was meant to be the new vessel for the MoM, he could have done so in hopes of events happening in BBS taking place. Since MoM used his eyes to be able to write the Book of Prophecies, he would know that it would happen and that Vanitas would be created as a result so he used Ven as a temporary vessel. This would allow MoM to become a time travelling entity after his defeat at the end of BBS to ensure the other pieces can come into place. (ie guiding young Xehanort) If his heart is fractured I almost wonder if in future games the Foretellers and Luxu will choose to fully "die" at the hands of Keyblade Wielders to release the heart of the MoM to resurrect him. (makes sense since that's what Xehanort did)
Of course I wonder how in all of this how Yen Sid will play a roll.... He is a Master of Masters in his own right..... Wonder if Yen Sid is the Light Master of Masters while the one from Union is the Dark Master of Masters.
Could go even further with Xehanort specifically calling for 7 masters of light to combat his 13 darkness... (I was under the impression the X-blade could only be forged when equal power of Light and Dark clash). That these 7 masters are needed to fight the Dark MoM's sins of the heart to forge the pure X- Blade.
sorry for rambling.
No need to apologize! I think it’s difficult really to speculate further on the subject since we don’t really have any more info that they’ve given us to go off of, at least from my understanding right now (:
The Masters of masters is Vantias that would be one heck of a twist. Meaning Mom and Sora are connected or the same person. That’s why he had the ability to forge the X blade because the Master of Masters piece of heart was in Ventus. That’s why Xehanort took a shine to him. That piece of heart inside Ventus from the master of masters might had killed strelitza to prevent Strelitza from ruining his plans
That’s possible for sure! I think with Strelitzia, I know we have no confirmation, but I think she was one of the names on the list and probably the circled name, but who knows. I have always found it odd why she was selected like RIGHT before the keyblade war when everyone else seemed to be way before
Ok so hear me out on this one. I’m probably going to go off on a limb on this so please try to bear with me on this.
So I was thinking about how he mentioned Ira having Red eyes in Back Cover but then him having Yellow eyes and it being part of the data scape of some sort (he mentioned it in the video). Out of all the known characters (excluding nightmares and the enemies we encounter in the series) who else besides Ira has red eyes or a red eye? Yozora.
My reasoning behind this is because of the dialogue him and Sora have when they meet each other at the Final World (but its nighttime). Yozora mentions something along the lines to Sora that what he sees isn’t really his true form. Heck even the lone star Sora meets who greets him with “Good day.” implies that the person she’s searching for isn’t truly him (we come to find out that both the lone star and Yozora are connected to one another in Melody of Memory) so I have a hunch that Yozora probably did have blue eyes before (Like how Sora and the rest of the gang have them, well kind of Riku considering his eyes are more of a pale blue than a deep blue like the others) which in turn like in the video where he mentioned the MOM splitting his heart into 7 pieces which represents the sins of the heart. So with that all said I have a feeling the MOM could have implanted a piece of his heart into Yozora when he mentioned to him to save Sora. which could possibly explain the red colored eye he has and the fact that he doesn’t look like his true form as he does say to Sora when he recognizes him as Yozora.
(Now again, it technically wouldn’t answer who would be the seventh vessel for the MOM, but then again I’m not sure if there is another known individual that has red eyes similar to Ira and Yozora.)
Again it’s not concrete and please take it with a grain of salt because I like I’ve said before I am going off of a limb with this one.
Quick Edit: I’m not disagreeing with the fact that Ventus could be the seventh vessel in which I think he’d be a great candidate with him being a heart made of light and the evidence given here in the video. But something is telling me that there’s a reason why Yozora has a red eye. Coincidence? Only way to find out is to wait I suppose 🤷🏿
I think you may be on to something here.. thanks for this video ❤️
NOTIFICATION SQUAD. Just wish I knew what was happening in this series to enjoy the video more 😂
COMMENT RESPONDING SQUAD. Haha It’s crazy, I don’t even understand it. But shh... don’t tell anyone..
Good theory. I feel like Ventus getting his Chirithy back is a hint to this (especially since the Master made all of them) and it's interesting going forward with Sora and Vanitas looking almost identical
Loved this theory!! 🙌🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Man I think my brain grew a few inches I love it! Congratulations!!
Your theory gave me a thought. What if the master of masters put his heart in Skuld instead of Ventus? She does have yellow eyes. And of all the union leaders, she's the one that Luxu actually interacted with head on - assuming she's subject x. Maybe she's being kept in the box? 🤔
Thank you! Does she have yellow eyes? I always saw them as brown 🤔 True, he did find her again
@@WaterKH they look yellow in the artwork for khux 🤔 but wiki says her eyes are light brown. Up for debate I guess 🤷🏽♀️. In any case, all the union leaders have blue eyes with the exception of Brain and Skuld. Brain's are grey and Skuld... well your guess is as good as mine at this point.
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The Landi Lodge does a great break down show how each of the union leaders follows there sin
Since there have been some updates to union cross, (spoiler for those who haven't seen any update videos or played it yet)
I think this theory has more legs to stand on now that we know that Ventus is the new union/dandelion leader whose name did not appear in the book from Ava, which lists the new union leaders names. It could be that the MoM put his heart piece to lay dormant in Ventus to ensure that piece would exist in the future Ventus would eventually end up in. This would put that final heart piece in play to be moved around in the present storyline of the game. It could be that time moves differently in the world in which union cross takes place it could be that the way Ventus ends up in the current timeline is that he escapes the data world around the time of BBS and that way he was able to end up in the future without time travel. Thus the MoM has ensured his 7th piece got to the future without there being a version of Ventus's heart to time travel to.
I'm not like super versed on the full lore so everything I just said could be completely wrong or unfounded. Oof.
Right, they would all need a version of themselves to time travel, which is very perplexing how they are going to be flung to the future...
Awesome theory!
To add to your theory, I have a few things that may be proved different, or that'll enchance the possibility of your theory being true.
At, first the mix-up of Aced, Ira, Invi and Gula were very appealing to me, but their behaviour seems to be interconnected with each other in a netural, and a magnetic manner.
What I mean is that:
Aced's own sin, which is sloth, is an indication of his desire for change with already assumed recongition. He knew that aside from the power he already possesses, a calm and responsible mind is needed to lead the Keyblade wielders, and realize the ideal of a World he sees. Hence, why he said that he'll shape the World according to his ideal, while confronting the Player at the Daybreak Town Plaza. Sloth meets the condition of following the shortest route to ensure the success of one's whims as opposed to the general belief that its main trait is stillness alone.
The polarized connection to the other sins, lie within Invi and Ira. Aced, as you've said, takes the envious part from the deadly sin of Invidia and directs it at Ira, who was chosen as the leader of the Fortellers after the Master's disappearance, which would give him the authority and respect that Aced is desperately trying to obtain. On the other hand, that is exactly what begets Aced's disagreement with Invi. The conduct of Aced to toss aside the rules left by the Master, the trait of envy and sloth that shapes his ideal, that's exactly what seemed to be the core that drives him and Invi away from themselves. The "similiar side."
The "same side" would then be connected to Ira, in Aced's expression of anger towards any opression, or in his own right, treason he had to deal with. That's the thing that seemingly drifted his person away from Ira, but in fact what made him realize that anger, or rather hastiness was what misguided him. That's why upon meeting Ira in one of the dark alley, after fighting with Invi, Gula nad Ava, he makes peace with Ira, tells him that he respects Ira, and then follows up with the information about the Lost Page, which being concealed by Gula.
You see what I mean here? One neutral side, which takes the initial meaning of a sin and transcribes it directly on the conduct and conclusion of a role of a given Forteller, and the 2 "magnetic" traits of other sins that drive the behaviour of a Forteller they disagree with, or the other which they respect, or are fond of.
I'd like to explain the idea of those parallels, but it'd take too much time, so the connections are as follows:
Gula is fond of Ava(the "opposite" side of a magnet) and is in disagreement with Aced(the "same" side)
Aced is fond of Ira(same as above) and is in disagreement with Invi(same as above)
Ira is fond of Invi(same as above) and is in disagreement with Gula(same as above)
Invi is fond of Ira(same as above) and is in disagreement with Aced(same as above)
Ava is fond of Gula(same as above) and is in disagreement with Luxu(same as above)
I purposefully left Luxu, The Master and potentially Ventus, because now I want to expand upon your theory that Ventus is the 7th piece, and why the Master disappeared.
I think it's clear to say that the Ventus and Vanitas connection to the Master is really accurate, and that's because Luxu himself seems to be close to the Master.
There was a scene in KH 358/2 Days, when Xigbar(Luxu) saw Ventus' in Xion's stead, and said something interesting, hinting at a plausible connection, and a confrontation between him and Ventus.
That'd make the "same" side out of Luxu in Ven's neutral & magnetic sin compatibility. In the same way, uniquely making the Master into his "opposite" and neutral side at once.
Now, for the reason of why the Master disappeared. It's just a short assumption, but maybe the power of waking is a method of splitting the 7 deadly sins that guide the heart and placing them in designated vessels? That'd make a connection to why the Master ended up exactly, where Sora is. By abusing the power of waking and "traversing the (dream) worlds to reach hearts(the hearts of the Foretellers)?
Again, thanks for reading through it, if you did, and I really like how much thought you put into this video. One of my favourite KH theories for sure. Cheers.
Wow, this was interesting. I think I understand the magnet/ polarized aspect of the sins 🤔 I would like to see your evidence for the other ones (I get it takes a lot of time to write out, but if you want to message me on Twitter, maybe that would be better!) So I was going to include that 358/2 Days scene to draw on that recognition, but to me, Luxu seems to be referring more to Birth By Sleep rather than KHUx, BUT, the fact that Luxu only met Ventus that one time in the Keyblade graveyard, it does seem to indicate that Ventus had met Luxu before. I really want to see their scene in KHUx and see if there’s any correlation! Thank you for taking the time to write out your addendum to my theory! 😄 I think it does have some merit, I’d have to sit down and dissect it more to see if it fits with my theory. But even if my theory is wrong, yours could very much be correct, good job!
Watching this after all the new information just makes it sound all the more plausible. Ventus having a fragment of the MoM residing in his heart would give a reason as to why he was chosen to replace Strelitzia as a union leader. It also gives more weight to Vanitas’ new Re:Mind dialogue (“I was just hidden deep inside you for a really long time.”)
Thank you! I thought this aged well as well, especially Kairi’a heart potentially being split into 7 pieces as well
@@WaterKH aye you got that correct 😜
we need more theory vids or other vids like your datascape/worldline/sleeping world series. You are the shit my man
I wish I were two people so I could do modding and video essays 😅😂
@@WaterKH Yourself and Damo are the best KH dudes.
Holy crap...this actually makes a lot of sense to the point it's creepy. Never even thought of Vanitas = Vanity. I already knew about the 7 deadly sins analogies but that slid right under my radar.
I thought so too, I found it extremely odd how many similarities there were!
Awesome job dude, the foretellers being the master of masters emotion and them being 7 piece's (just as kairi were splitted to 7 pieces) .
I thought the master's heart was inside the black box just like davy jones but now... i'm not sure XD .
But the question now is, why? Why did he split his emotions and not like xehanort did with terra? Or what will he gain from splitting his emotions?
Oh, can you do an explanation if there is a connection between the land of departure and scala ad caelum (also there was a room in kh1 traverse town gizmo shop , it's kinda looks like the master's studying room)
Oh and is yozora a game character like wreck it ralph.
Just thinking out loud XD , and thanks for the awesome video .
Wow! One of the best Kingdom Hears theory videos ever, if not the best
I believe Sora is actually the Master of Masters. Willing to discuss this topic
Thank you! 😄 I’m open to hearing this Sora theory of yours!
WaterKH before I continue just wanted to say you’ve got a new sub in me! I’m all for Kingdom Hearts TH-camrs that post quality stuff like this
On with my theory... I believe Sora is The Master of Masters. For the longest time I wondered who it could be, surely couldn’t be all these characters people are saying. Demyx? Nope. Riku? Not. Xigbar? Nah. Goofy? Possibly. Both Sora and The Master share similar qualities. Both time traveled, both have blue eyes, both seem to be fond of Ava / Kairi; many suspect they are one in the same which would make sense. Both seemed to not be worthy of the title. Sora is a dull boy and The Master is unprofessional for his role in all this. I genuinely believe that when Sora over used the power of waking (kh3) he travelled into a distant past, present and more importantly, into the future. He saw everything that would happen. Kairi dying no matter what, his friends getting destroyed by darkness and darkness as a whole always being present. I think when Sora saw that all this was inevitable the only way to change it was to focus on the oncoming Future. The Master clearly states this to the Foretellers. He knew the keyblade war would happen and it’s outcome. Darkness would prevail and light expire. He also knew that he himself would somewhat save the day. In the process of doing so though, he’d be thrown into a loop and different timeline. Sora devised a plan, he created for himself a layout. The road he has walked all this time was predetermined, by Sora himself. The Master does seem a bit evil at times but I think the real next big bad will be Luxu. I believe Luxu knows that Sora is The Master or should I say, will become. Remember in Olympus when Xigbar shows up after Hercules saves the citizens from the crumbling roof and building? He talks to Sora about “what the future holds in store for him” and “his reward being right around the corner”. I know it’s not the best of theories and speculation but I am almost certain that our boy, Sora is The Master of Masters
I think for a while, I had some kind of idea bouncing around that Demyx and Luxord were split halves of the MoM, since one was so goofy and useless while the other was extremely smart and calculated. And I still kiiiind of think that? Especially when Luxu is like questioning Luxord, but I don't know, I don't think there's enough evidence to say that. Right, I think I saw a theory at some point that Sora was the MoM and that he set everything up in order to save Kairi, but again, there's really a lack of evidence. But your ideas sound like they have some backing lore. (:
WaterKH thanks bro, I’m all about Kingdom Hearts and it’s bizarre theories
@@blksheepramirez it would be an interesting twist, though i believe that sora is way too naive to actually pull off a plan like this, Sora seemed like the guy with fighting skills and a good heart until now, not the guy to plan out the history of heckin everything
You make really good theories that I want to be true
I appreciate that! :D
This theory is great
If that is the case this would go great in my kingdom hearts manga
Really good theory, I definitely think there's more to Vanitas for the future that we currently dont know! Pretty much everything we got from Re:Mind I'd say back this up, the only two problems it brought up are, first that Xehanort states he never saw MoM again after their meeting in the Keyblade Graveyard we see in Re:Mind, and second that we now know Ven was the one person that the MoM did NOT put on his list... Ava seems to be the one that picked him in an attempt to change destiny.
As a side note because of what we know now thanks to Re:Mind it is clear to me that the MoM had to show at least little extracts of the book of prophecies, even if it was before sending him on his world tour... because all through the series Xehanort has shown clear examples of knowing whats "supposed to happen" and that he has some awareness of the future, hell his defeat quote in his data battle is "This is not what was written" and in both his data battle and his real battle when he defeats you he stats "this was your fate, accept it", when we know darkness was supposed to prevail and light expire and that sora was the one to break the rules of nature and change fate.
Anyhoo, sorry for the wall of text, great video man I loved it! You think you'll do a follow up eventually with the new info we got from Re:Mind, or since thats not too much, maybe after we get more from UX?
I’ll have to take a refresh on the cutscenes we have from KHUx, but I think what I gathered was that Ava chose Brain. Whether this means both him and Ventus were then introduced in place of other people is unclear to me. I think after we get the cutscenes from UX, I may circle back yeah (: Just to tie a bow on this theory, or offer new insights. Thank you for watching!
@@WaterKH Ey no problem! Thanks for the response! Yeah, what has actually been oficially revealed so far in the lastest UX udates was that Ava chose Brain to give the Original copy of the book of prophesies (instead of who the MoM marked) and that Ven was the one not in the MoM's list as the new union leaders.
Keep up the great work man! ^^
one more theory that Ventus is the master of masters' hiding is that at the end of the kH3, Chirithy found his best friend which is Ventus，and in the union cross cover story，Chirithy is given to the apprentices by the master of masters
Well done.
I think it's Roxas because Xigbar call him Tiger.I never noticed this until I know they are based of animals.And Roxas is beloved by fans,this is going to hurt them.
This is a personal theory as my evidence is circumstantial rather than conclusive. I think the master of masters is Xigbar/Luxu. (I have also included the failures of my argument at the bottom) The reason is because:
1) Xigbar IS THE ONLY CHARACTER WHO IS MISSING AN EYE!!
SIDE NOTE SPECULATION: I think that Xigbar and Yozora are either related or perhaps the same character. The reason is because of the cross bow weapon, the eyes and hair colour. If you put an eye patch on Yozora right eye he can definitely pass as a "younger version of Xigbar". At the end the movie focuses on Yozora's eyes and if you pay attention to his right eye IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THE EYE ON THE BLACK KEY BLADE. Furthermore if you noticed Yozora's eyes his right eye is a different colour from his left eye. Yozora's right eye is a colour similar to the black key blade and his left eye is a colour similar to Xigbar's left eye. It is also not unheard of characters possessing more than one identity so Luxu can be Xigbar and maybe the master of masters ALL AT THE SAME TIME. It is also a guess but the FIGHT STYLE OF YOZORA AND XIGBAR ARE VERY SIMILAR.
We know from the back story movie that the master of masters PLACED ONE OF HIS EYES IN THE BLACK KEY BLADE. Also the concepts of time travelling and replica's can make this idea possible especially when Luxu is not given a book of prophecies to ensure that the flow of time GOES AS PLANNED. (WHATEVER THAT MEANS)
SPECULATION: I think what is inside the BLACK BOX is A REPLICA/NOBODY. I do not know if it is a replica of Xigbar/luxu or whoever BUT THE SIZE OF THE BOX IMPLICATES THAT IT IS INDEED BIG ENOUGH TO HOLD A PERSON. To me it is LIKELY TO BE A REPLICA/NOBODY because of the reaction that Luxu did when he asked the master of masters "WHAT IS INSIDE THE BOX". There are only a few responses that can shock a calm Luxu I think a likely answer would be something on the lines of "IT'S A BODY" just the mere mention of a BODY INSIDE A BOX WOULD SHOCK ANYONE. If you know that the box is holding a body and the box is not moving the person is EITHER DEAD OR INDUCED IN A DEEP SLEEP. Even more so what happens if the master of masters say that what is inside the box is Luxu. Most definitely that would shock Luxu. You can even look at Luxu visually as a younger version of the master of masters (despite the fact that they are wearing hoodies hiding their identities).
2) Nomura has NOT EXPLAINED how Xigbar lost his eye and it is because of this I think should PLACE SUSPICION ON XIGBAR as something even more since the end of Kingdom Hearts 3 reveals that he is Luxu. That should tell you that there is something even more nested in this "meta level" of thinking. Furthermore both the master of masters and Luxu are always wearing their black hoodies so that you cannot see their faces. Furthermore I personally think that Nomura is using Xigbar/Luxu as a BIGGER DISTRACTION TO DETER YOU TO NOT THINK ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF LUXU HAVING 3 IDENTITIES and being the master of master. The reason I think about this is that THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE A PERSON IS TO PLACE THEM IN PLAIN SIGHT WHERE YOUR OWN ASSUMPTIONS CREATED FROM YOUR OWN THOUGHTS IS BETRAYING WHAT YOU THINK IS THE TRUTH FROM WHAT IS ACTUALLY REALITY. MAGIC IS A PSYCHOLOGY OF MISDIRECTION AND DECEPTION AND THIS IS THE TECHNIQUE THAT NOMURA AND THE TEAM ARE CONSTANTLY USING TO MISLEAD YOU IN THEIR WRITING.
I AM OF COURSE OPEN TO HEAR OTHER OPINIONS but to me what I have presented IS COMPELLING BECAUSE the master of masters eye in the black key blade and Luxu/Xigbar missing an eye IN MY OPNION IS DIRECT EVIDENCE UNTIL NOMURA EXPLAINS HOW DID XIGBAR/LUXU LOSE HIS EYE. The only explanation is that Luxu's eye is missing because IT IS IN THE BLACK KEY BLADE. IF THAT ASSERTION IS TRUE THEN LUXU/XIGBAR IS THE MASTER OF MASTERS BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE MASTER OF MASTERS SAID ABOUT THE BLACK KEYBLADE.
Failures of my arguments: My theory is depending on the fact that XIGBAR RIGHT EYE COLOUR MUST BE A DIFFERENT COLOUR FROM HIS LEFT. In reality people's pair of eyes should share the same colour BUT THE FACT THAT IT ZOOMS IN ON YOZORA'S EYES PROVES THAT IT IS POSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT EYE COLOURS ON TWO DIFFERENT EYES.
MOST DEFINITELY THERE IS SOMETHING I HAVE MISSED OUT SO I AM DEPENDING ON THIS COMMUNITY TO DISPUTE SOMETHING THAT I HAVE MENTIONED.:P :)
can we talk about the similarities in design with Ansem and Luxord?
Ansem and Luxord both share the same facial hair, the same hair color, they both had major mysteries surrounding them, maybe they're connected? what if Ansem is old Luxord? the only real problem i see right now is the name "Luxord" but idk
You know, when I was a kid playing KH2, I legit thought that he was Ansem the Wise’s Nobody. Right, but then again, Luxu doesn’t really have a conversion to a real name, that we know of at least, could be like... Ulu 😂
@@WaterKH The thing is, Luxord looks in every way like a young version of ansem, if Luxord is playing a bigger role in the DLC if not another game, what tells us that he won't get thrown back in time just to become ansem? maybe it'll turn out to be this time paradox where he will lose his memories and call himself ansem because thats like, the only thing he remembers? and maybe he'll be a character from union cross too, just to connect the dots and make Ansem the wise a character that was connected to the story even more than we thought he was anyway (because that is literally what kingdom hearts does EVERY TIME). also, i think "Luxu" isn't a part of the 13, well at least his name isn't, so probably Luxu doesn't form another name, at least that's what i would guess?
Also, something to strengthen the idea that Vanitas is "Darkness" from union cross:
Vanitas is one of 3 final bosses in Birth by sleep right? it makes sense if you think about it, he is the antagonist to ventus, since he is his dark side. Buuuuut when you think about the importance of the other two bosses, Vanitas seems to be insufficient as a final boss. i mean, it's Xehanort AND Luxu! So what if Vanitas was Darkness? i mean what if Ventus was chosen as one of the new union leaders because he is the perfect Vessel for Darkness? like, what if Darkness is the Darkness left after The MoM split? because it's parts of his heart right? so what if Ventus was chosen so the MoM could store his darkness inside of him, knowing that Xehanort will extract Darkness to give him a form?
idk, maybe you have some ideas but i really like the idea of Vanitas being Darkness! it also could lead to alot of Ventus drama in Union Cross which i would like
Bit late but his Somebody name could be Ludor, meaning gamble in Latin if I recall correctly. Or Dulor, sounding like Delude, which is kind of obviously his favorite thing to do to literally everyone.
It would be pretty ironic if the master of masters appearance would be the same as vanitas because he would quite literally be a dark version of sora
I feel like maybe the world sora got sent to is where the MoM has been the whole time and sora being there is what will release him from that. The MoM knew that he could be in that world and pass time until sora would arrive and accidentally free him. This could be why young xehanort said that sora is already doomed. Maybe he knew about MoM by then.
@WaterKH great theory. I didn´t think this theory before but I have another parallel theory. My theory is very similar to yours but indead Mom, others seven hearts are the 7 pure light(the princesses). After Ava found out the luxu/mom plan, Ava divided her heart in 7 to try to change the future. In case the 7 pricess were in danger, she will reborn. In kh1 after sora became heartless, there also created a nobody (roxas) but what about Namine. Namine is powerful nobody who lives in the masion of TLT. A pure light like Kairi shouldn´t have a nobody and in the masion TLT there are references about the lost masters (like the unicorn or a supercomputer dataworld of union X). Maybe Namine is Ava but she couldn´t remember who really is. Maybe in future kh we have recover her heart or memory using the keyblade of hearts from kh1, it could be similar as in kh3 remind searching Kairi´s heart.
Maybe so. The master of masters is neither good nor bad and the good part of his heart still lies within Ventus while the bad resides in Vanitas. Vanitas may possibly be a combination of a bit of Sora/Ventus along with some of the master of masters. It’d kinda makes sense. Whenever they seem to get serious they nearly cancel each other. Maybe it’s because sora help fill ventus’ heart while the master of masters also lost a piece. So now Ventus/MoM/Sora all split in half creating Which is the other half
Amazing theory. I just noticed that the design of Vanitas' keyblade resembles the No Name being chained inside the class room in Scala Ad Caelum
Oh does it? 🤔 In Which scene exactly? I’m not sure I’m familiar?
@@WaterKH I misremembered the scene. No Name isn't chained to the wall in the classroom. However the shaft of the Vanitas' keyblade still made me think of it. i10.photobucket.com/albums/a139/HumanDisaster/Screenshot_2019-10-21%201%20Kingdom%20Hearts%203%20Trailer%20E3%202015%20-%20TH-cam_zpstcj9nujs.png
On the subject of eyes, the pureblood heartless that Aqua fights in BBS at the very end of the secret episode also has red eyes. Also it makes sense for dream eaters to have yellow or red eyes as they are the darkness within dreams, even the good ones. It isn't all that clear what is the difference between the two colors but I agree that both seem to say darkness in some way.
Also Invi's eyes are yellow? I have looked and looked at Invi's mask and have been unable to see what her eye color is. I was starting to think that her mask was blind. Though if you look at where her eyes would be you see what looks like blue glass. I will believe you that they are yellow because I think that it makes the most sense but it is very nice to find someone that is able to see the color of her mask's eyes.
I am not sure that I believe this theory or not but I greatly enjoyed hearing it and I will keep it in mind. I am not really sure what I think of Vanitas. Some days I think that he really isn't a part of Vnetus and is in fact something else. Then other days I think he only makes sense if he was once Ventus. I have had people with very good arguments for both ways of looking at him. It is true that if I had a hope it is that Vanitas is a natural being of darkness who hid in Ventus. However I don't really mind which or whose theory is right about him. He is one of my favorite villain characters and I am pretty sure I will love anything that they do with him.
The reason why the 4 tellers have yellow eyes is because of there mask there glowing so that means there not presets by darkness
This theory amaizing good wow !
Thank you 😄
You are right about vanitas travelling through time with young xehanort, since sora directly mentions he recognizes vanitas from the cathedral
Yeah, I couldn’t tell if that was Vanitas actually or if it was him time traveling, because the other’s actually had bodies right? But I guess at this point Vexen hadn’t produced another new body for Vanitas
@@WaterKH it seems like they had an incomplete replica body since they seemed to have perfected it during kh3, though them disappearing during the end of dream drop makes me believe they were all time travelling with young xehanort
@@WaterKH They stated in Monstropolis that Vanitas new body was created form the negative emotions that Randal had been soliciting from children.
Not to mention that the Secret Reports state that Vexen had actually created 20 or so prototype replicas.
Ira is the traitor guys!
Red eyes + the same eye color as nightmares... if it is not enough, here are more reasons:
The whole story focus on "ROLE", it takes nearly half of the content there.
So, to find who the traitor is, we should find who is not doing their jobs (Also from the conversation of Gula and MOM).
First of all MOM and Luxu did not directly "betray" anyone right? Did they fall into Darkness? nope.
Were they not doing their job/ fulfilling their roles? NO! MOM does not even have a role and Luxu, according to MOM, will fulfill his role. So, they are NOT the traitor.
Even Ira said, right from the beginning of the Black cover X, "it isONE OF US IN THIS ROOM".
As for Ava, seriously, was she not doing her job? I think she completed her job well.
In short, I think Ira is the traitor.
Aced has been used by him, Aced's duty = "his right-hand man" right?
He is the "first" to discover nightmare and plant the seed of doubt to other foretellers.
He is very angry about the lost page as it might blow his cover, that's why he MUST see that page.
When everyone does not accept Aced, only he forgives him, I think it is because Ira needs more unions in the war.
And the most important point:
Who deviates his job with the one given by the MOM?
Its Ira, he does not lead anyone
He once believes the war should be stopped but later on, he changed. I am not sure what he has gone through.
But from the message given by Lost page:
"Imbalance observed, strength misplaced, a future filled with sorrow.
Words of truth misunderstood as they explore the secret of tomorrow.
As for the master of Masters it seems to me that he has a sinister psychotic nature to himself that he finds both enjoying and noticeable but only with luxu he seems to have even darker at the same time his normal behavior with but more in the evil sense but you can tell his evil intentions right off the bat a little with the other five foretellers
Would be funny if the master of Masters is a Future Version of sora Who time traveled to change everyrhing
He already did in KH3. If he prevents the Terranort from killing everyone. As if he had no reason to travel 100 years in the past. Kairi is safe too. In addition, Sora is not one who has the necessary knowledge or intelligence.
Something that came to mind while watching this video: What if the Master of Masters is actually in Sora now? The only basis I really have for this is Sora telling Xehanort at the end what consists of a real leader, that being accepting fate, which is something the Master seems really intent on pushing. If he were in Sora, this would also be a case of someone influencing Sora from within, something that happens a good bit within KH3
Hmm, I think the thing that would refute that would be the Ienzo didn’t find anything in Sora that wasn’t Xion, Ventus or Roxas? I feel like he would have said something if he were inside Sora 🤔
@@WaterKH Ah that's right, that totally slipped my mind. Either way, great job with the video, can't wait to see whatever comes up from the channel
No worries! Thank you 😄 I can’t post to community tab yet, but I am starting to release some info on my Twitter about my next theory!
One thing I do want to add is that Vanitas is pure negativity from Ventus’ heart, right? So he is pure darkness, which subtracts from Ventus, meaning he isn’t necessarily “possessed” by darkness/xehanort/MoM. Buuuut, along with that, despite being a full heart in KH3 (Light and Darkness) Vanitas still appears, which might also explain why he doesn’t have the eyes, or perhaps MoM has already started reappearing at that point and can come to life, taking the separate pieces of his heart.
I would say Vanitas is the piece of heart of the MoM that is pride, along with the darkness that is in Ventus’s heart. But the evidence I did provide I would say is more circumstantial than concrete
Is it possible then that the box is just the MoM's body? Idk if this is already something people commonly think or not. But just b/c there was that whole thing with Ventus' body being left behind without his heart in the Land of Departure, and in order for Ventus to return in KH3 they had to be reunited. So it would make sense for the MoM's body to also be needed when all his heart pieces are brought back together. If his name is actually what is written on the top of it it's kinda like a coffin too. Idrk tho ahaha
oh also could the blue/gold eye options be related to the two different colors that Kingdom Hearts itself has been seen as being? the mom seemed interested in the yellow moon in the secret ending or something
also really quick ( not sure if this is said or not ), MoM's keyblade. He said HIS EYE is in there. Going on the fact that one's eyes are a gateway to one's soul (a true self ). Then going off of your theory. The reason why Ventus's eyes are blue shows because he holds the true self MoM, (Pride, Vainglory).
Hmm, I think the eye color actually would be a bit off, it seems more like a greenish blue to me, but yeah, could be
hey, if you're gonna try animation, do it vectorbased, i think it would make it a thousand times easier and sometimes maybe more pleasing to look at! i loved this btw, keep it up!
Oh? Okay! I’ll look into that 😄 Thank you man!
When you defeat Vanitas in Re: Mind, he says “I need the rest of me”. Do with that what you will mates
No
There's so much complexity in the setup for the foretellers saga. Makes me think that Nomura got ahead of himself and became far more interested in writing the next saga while he still had to finish KH3 and that's why that game felt so underwhelming. He seems to enjoy foreshadowing elaborate plots much more than finishing already established ones.
Super nice videos. I noticed something that could further prove your idea that Ventus is somehow connected with the MoM.
When Luxu fights with Xion he literally see her face as Ventus and asks her "why above everyone I see his face?"
If it is true that you see the person you are more connected to when looking at Xion for the first time, well I think that Luxu proved enough that he is extremely connected to the MoM. Otherwise that scene makes no sense to me at all. Why should he see Ventus' face?
interesting. you and I knew all of the same things, yet only you came to this conclusion. perhaps if.... thinking of ventus brought me any sort of -you know- joy.....
Hmm, I’m not quite sure I understand 🤔
@@WaterKH I.... probably.... could've hypothesized the same thing if I were a bit more invested in ventus' character.
Ahhh gotcha 😂
Actually red eyes appear on one heartless, Dark Hide from the bbs secret story, who has yellow eyes that turn red.
So that’s true, except the red eyes seem like an overlay, and actually may in fact be some kind of possession and/or data kind of effect, since it seems to be kind of digital. I believe it statics when you hit it out of it? I would have to replay though, but I was looking into it with the latest video I’m working on 😄
The eye color thing with Invi is really weird
Secretly Brain back in time? Digital version vs real version?