*UPDATED THOUGHTS -* August 5, 2021 Overall, this theory is *DECONFIRMED!* There are parts in it that hold up, but I don't want to mislead any new viewers into thinking this theory is still a possibility. *CORRECTION @ **0:26** & **10:35** -* In _7 and 13_ the MoM tells Luxu that the mention of "the traitor" in the Book was to stir doubt in the Foretellers. But later the Master calls Luxu the traitor. This is likely in reference to the future, since Luxu has not _yet_ betrayed the Master. I don't think fans saying "Luxu has an X in his name" was good evidence for this, because the Recusant's Sigil is a real, tangible object summoned by Xemnas and Xehanort. For example, Roxas and Xion have X's in their name, but they no longer have the Recusant's Sigil since Xemnas died in KH3. While the Master confirms Luxu the traitor, we don't know if Luxu had the sigil during KHUX. *Xigbar mentioning Ava in KH3's epilogue **1:59** -* While I'm open-minded to others being the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod in KHUX, if it was Ava that Luxu sent to the future, he may have used her mask as her medium, which would explain meta-wise why her face was covered in sheets: to avoid a face reveal. *CORRECTION @ **2:48** -* I was informed that this word is the same in Japanese! So Xigbar could have, after all, been referring to a role the MoM gave to Ava. *_"You will venture forth in secrecy" _**_3:22_* - While this is in reference to the traitor (Luxu), I still think Ava was pulling strings in the background during KHUX, like possibly being the one who connected Wreck it Ralph's world to data Daybreak Town. *Luxu telling Maleficent about the Box **6:38** -* Now that KHUX is over, the only other person I can see telling Maleficent about the box is the figure who was seen with Strelitzia wearing the white coat (which may be a data body since data version of the Dandelions are mentioned through out KHUX). This may not be Luxu because he later asks Brain if a Union Leader was struck down, which he would have already known if he truly was interacting with Strelitiza. *Brain and Ava working together **11:53** -* Please watch _"Brain has an impersonator"_ for my updated thoughts on this. I still believe that Brain and Ava had _another_ meeting we've never seen, since Brain said in _Resolutions_ that Ava told him Ephemer's always wanted to read the Book, and I think it's possible Ava warned him that darkness "can hide anywhere, even inside someone", since that was one hell of a shot in the dark. *Where has Ava been? **13:56** -* Like I mention above, I think it's possible that Ava was the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod. But I also think it's possible Ava has been residing in Unreality, and for that explanation you'll need to watch _"Brain, the Box, and KH3's Tear in Time"_ and also read that video's description. Sorry for the redirection, but I don't want to repeat myself LOL. Of course, the Realm of Darkness is still a possiblity.
@@insertnamehere2746 It makes sense that some would miss it if they duck in and out of KHUX's story, it was very recent, literally KHUX's finale! (so, spoiler alert) th-cam.com/video/GZfexVPLh5U/w-d-xo.html
this was unbelievably fun to watch, helped in no small part by the super fluid editing and *extremely* clear presentation of ideas. Love these--really excited to hear your thoughts in future theories!
The illusions might have something to do with the fact that she’s represented by a fox. Japanese fox spirits could create illusions to trick people. Maybe each apprentice has a special ability like this that we don’t know about? 🤔
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE dude , they were pretty much removed. There was no FF character whasoever in KH3 , just a character inspired by Noctis , but still not the actual character.
@phatomsosX Cactaur and many other FF things made a cameo in Toy Story, Cloud and Auron were mentioned in Olympus, FF enemies showing up in the gummie ship as constellations, the moogle shop, & Seifer was mentioned by an NPC in Twilight town. They may not have been in the usual method of an actual character showing up and doing things but to say FF was completely removed is just wrong.
I didn't enjoy Kingdom Hearts 3 as much as I hoped to but I'm really liking the way the story is going and I'm excited to see what happens next! I think I like this Foreteller story arc better than the Xehanort arc. Even back when I first played Kingdom Hearts 2, I have always liked Xigbar a lot. It's nice to see that he's more important than I ever thought.
interesting theory and I do believe that Ava carries within her a Darkness and she will never acknowledge it. I like the effort and editing in the video! also I like how you are so careful with every detail in this video.
I disagree that Ava has any darkness and instead is the most pure of the foretellers. She’s the only one to question MoM and the only one who actively tries to prevent the key blade war while the others just kinda go with it. She’s also the only one who’s keyblade is different from the rest, as they all have some dark coloration on their keyblade while avas is entirely made of bright colors
@@Spoogebro Greetings from the future. You will all soon learn that Ava is both darkness and of the purest light, just like Ventus. The closer you stand to the light, the larger your shadow becomes.
I've just discovered your channel and I'm amazed by both the presentation of the theory and how detailed it is, seriously you deserve more subscribers, wow. It makes the theory that Subject X could be Skuld a lot more likely to happen. By the way, Nomura said in the KH 3 Ultimania that six of the seven black chess pieces seen in the KH3 epilogue belong to the Foretellers, I wonder if this could mean that the Ava from the chess piece is not the real Ava and instead this Ava comes from the past or it's a clone of her, it's so weird: www.khinsider.com/news/Kingdom-Hearts-3-Ultimania-Main-Nomura-Interview-Translated-14763
Yeah good point! Even if the traitor truly is someone else- no matter what, all of them are black pieces in the end. So even if it IS Ava, it would be interesting to see what happens to her to make her be a black piece, or at least one that's similar to Terra, who was both a black and white piece of the first game.
@@TheSecretReports Yeah! Whatever Nomura decides to do with Ava's role I think it'll be interesting to see. By the way, I'm working on a KH theory that I'm writing on Google Docs, I don't know when I'll publish it but I don't want to rush it because I'll summarize Xehanort's arc and explain in detail the Keyblade War related games, and despite I'm analyzing cutscenes from every game I completely forgot mentioning that there's one more description of the traitor *facepalm* Do you remember Gula saying in Back Cover that the Lost Page contains this description about the traitor: ''The one who bears the sigil''? I'm now thinking that it might be a reference to Subject X, I'm going to explain why: Sora's clothes in KH 3D feature the X sigil, which is the letter X (Chi) from the X-Blade and the subtitles Unchained X / Union X, and Young Xehanort later states in the same game that this sigil was used to locate Sora. *MAJOR KH 3 SPOILERS* Well, so what's important about this sigil? Before this scene of YX, Sora talked to Xemnas and Xigbar / Luxu, and the two of them were offering Sora to become an ally and to abandon his friends' side, Luxu says: ''We see bigger and much better things in your future once you side with us'', which I think is VERY shady. Why would you ask your enemy if he wants to join your team after all the pain you've caused to him and his friends? Like it's very stupid, there must be a very good reason why Luxu would bother trying that. People often say that Nomura has no idea of in which direction he wants to take the story of KH, but honestly after spending a lot of hours on my KH project I doubt he doesn't know what he wants to do with the story. So him and Xemnas were already conspiring in secret against Xehanort when he (Xehanort) wasn't interested in making Sora an ally in the slightest, he just wanted to turn Sora into the 13th dark vessel to have those dark vessels ready to forge the X-Blade, in fact Xehanort has a low opinion of Sora, he calls him ''a dull, ordinary boy''. And we've already found out in KH 3 that Xehanort was another pawn in the Master's plan (with the Re : Mind trailer further hinting at the possibility that the Master could have manipulated Xehanort to become an admirer of darkness) When Sora rejects Luxu's offer, Xemnas fights Sora, and when the fight starts Xemnas says: ''As your flesh bears the sigil, so your name shall be known as that of a recusant'' It's like Xemnas and Luxu know a lot more than everyone else but they're not disclosing what they know. (Luxu doesn't for obvious reasons) In KH 3 Xemnas has a meeting with Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene and Demyx in the Keyblade Graveyard and he implies in a cryptic way that he knows those characters are from the age of Union X. So about the word ''recusant'': I looked for its meaning on wordreference.com while working on my KH theory and I read that it means ''somebody who rejects authority'' If rejecting authority in the KH universe is equal to rejecting the Master and Luxu, then Sora would be no different from Ava, he would be a traitor too since he rejects Luxu's offer. So if there's only one traitor instead of two then there's a chance that Subject X is Ava considering that Subject X has the sigil of the recusant and she was rescued by Ansem the Wise and Luxu (plus what we know about Subject X being 15 yrs old and only remembering having 4 friends and the sentence ''May your heart be your guiding key'') And I don't think any other character could be the traitor if we take into account that the Org. XIII members have this sigil on their names, the Wayfinder trio has it on their clothes too like Sora and Xehanort has it in his name as well. *END OF KH 3 SPOILERS* Edit: I forgot to mention that according to Xehanort in BBS, the letter X means ''death'' and ''endings'' Then if we translate the X in Unchained X and KH X (Chi) they can be read as KH : Death and KH : Unchained Death, since Union X translates the X as Cross, erasing the negative connotations. Most of the wielders (except the Player) technically die in the Keyblade War and their hearts ascend to Kingdom Hearts in Back Cover, so that meaning is fitting. And X-Blade could be read as ''Death-Blade'' I think it's quite weird that a keyblade that summons Kingdom Hearts has this meaning in its name when Kingdom Hearts is known to be the source of light, in other words it's a source of life and not of death.
@@mindlessdrawing3336 While I could be wrong, I'm not Nomura after all lol, I just really don't think Ava is Subject X because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up. But I will admit, I don't have any firm evidence of Ava being "the one bears the sigil" other then her being a recusant for rejecting her role and denying the Master. But maybe that in and of itself is the recusant sigil, she may not have the letter X in her name but she definitely fits the bill of a recusant IF this video is correct (which who knows, it may not be!)
@@TheSecretReports Wow, I didn't notice the hint in Subject X's report, good find! Even if your theory about Ava being the traitor did turn out to be wrong in the end I think it's still fun to speculate about the story and see what happens :) I think there's more evidence of Ava being the traitor, I've checked the translation of the epilogue's Japanese version and apparently it's a bit different from the English one, Luxu says: ''Ava didn't show, as expected'' and ''Nah. If she's not here she must've finished her mission as well'' This video has captions in English: th-cam.com/video/ceyA-KGVCgc/w-d-xo.html P.S: Btw, sorry for rambling a lot in my comment ^_^U I commented too much stuff without bothering to check if it makes enough sense.
Incredible. Your Tumblr never ceases to amaze me, but these videos are an extra special treat to watch. Your editing is impeccable and your theories are so compelling! Can't wait to see whatever comes next!!
I think Ava's fate will have something to do with Skuld, they sit in the same seats in the Union meetings and her name means debt, meaning she could've paid her debt she owed to Ava by choosing her as a Dandelion by becoming her vessel or taking refuge in her heart before leaving the data world and being flung into the future. I think the absence of Ava in the epilogue is because she is hiding inside Skuld somehow, either as a vessel or like Ventus was hiding in Sora. And Subject X is an amnesiac so nor Ava or Skuld's hearts remember who they are. So all Luxu knows is that she fulfilled her mission, not that she is inside Subject X. Personally I really like this idea because it sets up a race against time between Isa and the Foretellers to track down Subject X, whom contains the hearts of both Skuld and Ava. And it'd be quite the shock twist to discover that Ava has been right there all along under everyone's noses. I also currently think that Brain is Luxord in another vessel after that suspect ReMInd exchange with Luxu not knowing who he is, Luxord has stated many times a game is no fun if you know how it's going to end, MoM has rigged the game of fate, and Brain wanted to rewrite fate, he gambled with union leaders lives to leave the data world, he's the ancestor of Eraqus (supposedly) and Luxu is technically the original scapegoat like Xehanort, the chess game will continue between them, but instead of light vs darkness it's order vs chaos, time vs space, Luxord/Brain vs Xigbar/Luxu. There are even more possible clues to support this, it seems like Nomura could be setting up Luxord to be a major player in the battle against MoM and the Foretellers. And with Demyx being the only blank left, I'm inclined to believe he is the Player character in KHX, since his supposed canon default appearance looks an awful lot like a possible young Demyx, he has lighter hair at the top and darker brown at the bottom as well as a blue and yellow outfit that matches the colors of Demyx's sitar Arpeggio. It would be a great twist imo, if the main character of the mobile game and one of the greatest warriors in the keyblade war, who took on the Foretellers themselves is the "useless" and "chicken" Demyx, I like it way more than him being MoM. And for him to forget all that is pretty sad since he has such low self worth as a nobody. The idea of Demyx and the revived Union Leaders all coming together to fight the Foretellers is quite a sight. And maybe Demyx x Streltzia.
Player x Strelitzia would be cute u.u XD(the rest of your theory looks cool and awesome and a part of me wishes may be true...another part of me wishes it's not true...because it would imply that i just read a lot of spoilers...and a story "is no fun if you know how it's going to end" XD)
I don’t remember the last time I was this impressed by a Kingdom Hearts video. This is probably one of the only theories I can get behind. Kinda want to kick myself for not piecing this out myself. But incredible video. Definitely earned the sub 🖤🖤 can’t wait to see what future videos you have in mind
I still think that Sora is meant to be king of Kingdom Hearts. I mean look at all the artwork. He has a crown for a necklace before he first was the emblem, he actually has a cosmetic crown, he has a sword called "The Kingdom Key", he now possess the actual "X-Blade", was able to revive himself multiple times, has among the strongest levels of light in him, and can connect with any heart.
I think so too. he who tames the PoHs becomes king. something along those lines was stated..... somewhere...... in tarot/persona terms, sora is the fool (the *wild card* of the tarot deck) who will take the world (KH).
*I'm going to reply to a few questions/replies here so I don't have to keep answering individual comments, hope that's okay! I'll edit to add replies as I see fit* *Ava as Subject X:* I just really don't think Ava is Subject X because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up. *Ava as Kairi's Grandma:* While I'm still not ready to jump in, I do believe this to be way more plausible than Subject X. Darkness mentions to Maleficent that the Master never made projections of Radiant Garden (the 7th world with a Princess of Heart- Kairi) because it was too sensitive and important to risk anything with it. However, what's interesting is that in mission 871, Brain says that the projections of the Book work in similar ways to pop-up books. And the FIRST thing we ever seen in both KHX and KHUX is a popup story page of Radiant Garden, and Kairi's Grandmother telling her the tale of the Keyblade War. So that implies there's still a chance that Radiant Garden was a projection in KHX or UX after all. This along with both Maleficent and Kairi's Grandmother residing in Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion is a nice connection to Maleficent and Darkness talking about said world, if both Darkness and Kairi's Grandmother are indeed both Ava after all. *The Sigil Gula mentions:* In Back Cover when Gula states that the lost page mentions "the one who bears the sigil", while it's not stated directly, it does seem to be implying the Recusant's Sigil, and a recusant is someone who refuses to comply or submit to authority or a regulation. So if Ava really is trying to "undo" her role and defy the master, then that in-and-of-itself makes her a recusant. True, she doesn't have an X in her name like Luxu does, so that particular detail would point to Luxu being the traitor. But really, with what we've read in his Observation excerpts, Luxu seems to be doing everything he can do fulfill his role and obey the Master, the exact opposite of a recusant.
That I have mentioned it, that there's a trailer scene in "Kingdom Hearts 3 ReMind" that Xigbar has to ask Luxord a question, "Just who are you, Luxord?" and Luxord had given a card to Sora and said that card will be useful later, but at the final scene at Kingdom Hearts 3, Sora hasn't come back to Destiny Island. So could that mean Luxord will be Ava?
@The Secret Reports maybe Gula's role to find the traitor is referring to post kh3 epilogue. He knows Ava the best, therefore would be able to see past her disguise. The sigil will be a relevant clue for him then not when they were together in the age of fairy tales. So now the is game on Ava... Game on.
The fact that you only have 2k subscribers (at the time of typing this) is criminal. This style of editing captures the fairy tale style that Kingdom Hearts thrive on. I'm desperately looking forward to future videos!
Your video’s are something for me to look forward to from now since the editing is absolutely fantastic and these theories have their head and foot, thus most possibly being true. And like I said in the last video, you truly deserve more subscribes
The biggest pieces of evidence for this theory, IMO, are Ava's clothing and Brain's name. Think about it... ♪~Pinky and the Brain.~♪ ♪~Yes, Pinky and the Brain~♪ ♪~One is a genius.~♪ *♪~The other's insane.~♪*
That absolutely breaks my heart. The fact we got Aqua out of the darkness made me cry. Being in a world if solitude all this time. She was in for a long time but Ava being there for that long tears my heart to pieces. How broken her poor heart must be. I hope she can be saved. She was my favorite. Such a pure light that wanted nothing but the best for everyone. We gotta save her!!!
Before watching the video: wtf lmao what how is Ava Darkness in ANY WAY?! During the video: ...holy shit this actually makes sense... but... what... how... NOMURAAAAAA!!!
Tbh I didn't realise what he meant about "venture forth into secrecy", I could never have thought that Ava had such involvement as what was originally thought.. Plus it isn't too farfetched as to how she survived for this long being in the ROD, as the other 4 foretellers were revived by Xigbar, and body-hopping for centuries. Overall I love this theory you made!! :D
Throughout the years of Kingdom Hearts there have been many great theory’s with fantastic content creators but I must say you are by far the best when it comes to explanation and “diving” into those theories
Just discovered your channel and I gotta say, it's amazing. Diving into details on the subject, explaining in a way anyone can understand, along with clean video editing skills, makes it a delight to watch. Can't wait to see what other theories you have!
I might be reaching here, but considering the typical traits of a fox like being sly and cunning, this would actually make a lot of sense! You also totally called Ava working with Brian in some way, love the theory!
Also questions. If Ava "mission" was to bring the dandelions back to the real world and she "carried it out" with succession, then why is Ephemer shown as a projection or vision to Sora and not actually there. Almost wanna say that he's helping him beyond the grave with the rest of the dandelions. 2: Was her decision to defy the MoM bad? Like was she doing this all to save everyone's future or is she bad now and became darkness because there was no other option? I don't understand my head is spinning. 🤪
Another great video! I literally just made a theory video about Ava. Yours blow mine out of the water lol. These are so fun to watch! Amazing job keep it up!
Omg...I just had the weirdest idea....since ava does have illusion magic...what if she at some point pretended to be luxord hence the scene in the first remind trailer between Xigbar and Luxord
First of all, that’s a great video in both research and exposition, because I was able to understand better something that I didn’t before, so thanks! Second of all, considering her “disguising” abilities Ava could be disguising herself as Brain and so acting effectively as the virus in MoM’s program. It is also to consider that in KH universe is now accepted the possibility to change body as Luxu did, so this could be true also in Ava’s case, despite I hope for a simple disguise answer. The fact that she could have chosen to disguise as Brain instead as the same Strelitzia could simply be in order to not make mistakes, because Lauriam could have seen through the disguise. Well, you made really think about it, good job.
I see you! Nomura, whether he means to or not, always creates just strange kingdom hearts logic that can totally be used in ridiculous ways, if he was willing to bend over backwards in the world he's created (and he has before, like with Terra and Xion in KH3, so who's to say the crazy man won't again).
You know, watching this video has convinced me even more that Ava is the traitor. I was ignorant at the beginning because Ava is my ABSOLUTE favourite Foreteller because she is so sweet and luminous and I didn’t believe that someone as pure as her would be evil. But watching this video does put more perspective into the theory of Ava’s role as the traitor. But that still doesn’t change the fact I love her and is one of my favourite Kingdom Hearts characters
And I think there's a chance that just because she's the traitor doesn't necessarily mean she's evil. I think as of this moment, Ava did what she had to do because she believed it was the right thing to do, she's still trying to save the world and the dandelions. At least, that's how I perceive it at this point in time.
What blows my mind about this theory video is that it’s 5 months old. So much more evidence has come out in support of this. Talk about being way ahead of the curve
After seeing update 961-965, I'm leaning towards your direction: *Fun fact:* Ava's bio (from KH Wiki) says she's as "Cunning as a Fox." In Japanese folklore, Foxes are noted shapeshifters and deceivers. I think the Darkness is as much taking the form of Ava, as Ava is the darkness. Remember, the Fox Form came first, before the Darkness was introduced as an actual being. Both may have existed ubiquitously, with only MoM being aware. But, is Ava the traitor? It would make a nice twist. Moreover, it would make MoM that much more devious, since he planned the war. What I think *kinda* happened: The Keyblade War from Chi/Ki was never actually "erased,"; Ven, etc. live in a virtual simulation independent of Ki's timeline. They are essentially in the Video Game world, same as Ralph's. The REAL WORLD Daybreak Town was DECIMATED during the war from Ki, hence the BREAK between RWd DBT and Scala. Because of the continuous fighting and slaughter during the actual war, the Foretellers hearts turned black, and each became possessed by the Embodiment of Darkness. This is the same Darkness that Young Xehanort found, and eventually forced his hand. This may also be the same Darkness that MoM is attempting to either control, or replace (if he's evil). There being more than one Darkness ties into the (a) Sequel Bait on the KHIII Cover, and (b) the Darkness emanating from Ventus telling Lauriam "now you confirm *we* exist." Moreover, if Ven's Darkness is connected to the same war, then he may be one of the Foretellers but lost his memory. Most likely Gula, which would cement his connection to Ava. But, then why does his darkness take the shape of Ava? I'm guessing they have access to all Foreteller forms, but each Foreteller is tethered to an independent entity. Think of it like a Hivemind from GitS, or Pain's Path's from Naruto. Still, With MoM's speech to the fourth wall as a build up to 961-965's reveal, telling us to be patient for answers, it's evident that there's a lot Nomura's leaving out. Bastard.
@@soragranda Okay, then those Memories still tied to the Foretellers turned their hearts to Darkness. I guess what I meant was that their memories of the war were "erased". Gotta imagine the Old Masters filled with Darkness, each one stronger than MX, is gonna be a whole new level of ridiculous. This makes the cover of 3 more clear: those dark figures on the tower are the Foretellers, shrouded in the darkness of their memories. The bigger questions are these: Why does Ven act as an agent of Darkness? Who the heck is ven supposed to be? And why did MX want to experiment on Ven exclusively? Ven seems to be a vessel for darkness, the same way that Sora seems to be a vessel for hearts.
"I told [Ava] clear as day what it is I had to do" -Luxu. Hmmm. So Ava knows about the plan to use the Foretellers as Hosts? That seems like a pretty big deal.
This makes sense and I HATE IT! ...But I would never understand why. Even if Ava is the "traitor" in the sense that she hated what the Master of Masters was doing (i.e. setting them up to fail and just watching by), it doesn't quite fit her M.O. of the Dandelions and her being this kind, caring individual. Would she really try to uproot and throw the Dandelions into chaos just because making the Dandelions was her "role", which she now wishes she wasn't a part of or something???? I dunno. She was one of the few Masters with a more in-depth personality, and there better be a DAMN good explanation if she's Darkness, or otherwise I'm not really sold on what they have in mind for the Masters.
A truly thorough and decent analysis! Reamarkably done! Maybe you would like to analyse kh's most brutal discrepancies? For example, Terra's body not aging in KH3 even though it died (as Xemnas) in kh 2 in an aged form? It is a direct contradiction to what happened to Ienzo, as he lost his heart to darkness in a child form yet after 10 years or so returned as a complete being in an adult's form
Yes!! I would LOVE to talk about this. My next handful of videos are going to be analyses on Dream Drop Distance, but afterwards the Terra vs Ienzo factor is DEFINITELY something I want to talk about more!
@@TheSecretReports great! I will be looking forward to it! There is also a great deal of space to explore when it comes to multiple characters' unexplained amnesia when meeting certain protagonists (e.g. Pence and Roxas in 358/2) as well as Riku's dual-wielding ability in kh2 (like how is it even possible). Overall, there is even more to discuss
this theory is the continuation of the video, until ava distrubuted her heart in the new world, she was the darkness that you have talk. My theory is that Ava does not return with the rest of masters(ira, gula ...) because she is still alive but in the way that Xehanort did. upon discovering luxu's plans, she stays in the real world while passing everything from union croos. And so that the light does not disappear while it is weak, Ava separated his heart into seven lights (the 7 pure lights) using the keyblade of the hearts of KH1. It was always said that Namine was the nobody of Kairi, but it may actually be the nobody of Ava. when sora sacrificed in kh1 sora released ava but not completely because Kairi was in Sora's heart. that's why Namine has powers over Sora; but really it´s over ava. It may be that the 3 heart that is mentioned that sora has, is ava. That's why Ephemer noticed Ava and he went to help in the form of a spirit in Kh3. Namine is the nobody of kairi but only 1/7 part. That is why kairi in KH3 does not fade / die in the first terranort´s attack, kairi had a plus of strength. this is where the ava plan to distribute his light comes in. to return ava would have to use the power of awakening over all pure lights or use the keyblade of hearts of kh1.
With Re Mind out showing that scene in Ven's heart and Sora having heard Darkness's voice, would that imply Sora has met, or at least heard, Darkness's true identity. And if there is any truth to Ava being Kairi's grandmother, then, in the scene from KH I and KHX's opening, is proof Sora has heard Ava before and that is why he recognize her. There is also the possibility Darkness in Vanitias and tat speculation has more rock solid evidence with actual screen time.
There's also a tie-in theory that Ava is actually Demyx(Demyx's apperance being her current disguise). It seems to be that Ava is trying to get Dandelions and Sora's crew to notice the MoM's plan(that's why she wanted Sora's team and the Dandelions leaders to meet), but unfortunately it is and already was too late. So far it's all going in the direction the MoM has wanted it to(the mission as well, and I do belive that Luxu later realizes what I'm about to quote) and as Luxu said : "The whole Union leader thing was supposed to be by the books. Are these new events just another phase in the Master's grand plan?" It's like he's just using and switching the paws on the chessboard however he wants, even having a whole array of events that were not supposed to be touched to not crumbled what he wants to accomplish.
I like this theory. It would be a big plot twist. However, I personally believe that Darkness is a time traveling Vanitas. Since he is part of Ventus and Ventus existed during the X Saga, Vanitas would be able to time travel since part of him exists at that time. In KH3, he says "I am darkness" and I think that that is more than just a nickname. I made a video about who killed Strelitzia and this is part of that if you want to check it out. As for Ava, I think she did what Luxu did and possessed people throughout time. I think she is Kairi's grandmother and Lea and Isa's friend. I'm making a video for that too. Great channel by the way, you deserve a lot more subs!
Maxori Gaming! The girl lea and isa talk about has to be skuld, they reference her being like what 15 years old? And Ven was carried over into the present day events too also at around the same age, and they mention her referencing the 4 other leaders, keyblades and such, her and Ven had to have come forth in time together and she ended up in a worse position. We know where Ven is, we’ve seen Ephemera, we know about Marluxia, Brain is of course a mystery, but I have to assume whatever happened to skuld, she was subject x
@@SSlash If age matters, then Xigbar would look much older because he is possessed by Luxu. So Skuld being 15 doesn't matter since Ava could've just possessed anyone of any age. In Union X, Lauriam doesn't look that much older than Ven but in KH3 they look like they're about 10 years apart, maybe a little less. Lauriam, Ven, Brain, and Ephemer aren't necessarily the four mentioned. It could be Ira, Invi, Aced, and Gula, or perhaps Nomura wants to hit us with a plot twist like he ALWAYS does and the mentioned four don't even matter. Honestly, any Kingdom Hearts fan should know that whatever the most obvious thing is isn't what Nomura has in mind. He loves to make us think one thing and have it turn out to be something else(making us think Lauriam killed Strelitzia, Organization XIII not having hearts, Xehanort being the worst person ever that just wanted the world to be covered in darkness, etc). This is the formula he always uses and I doubt that most of what people are thinking right now is correct. I'm not saying that I'm correct. These are all just theories. But don't tell me that "The girl Lea and Isa talk about HAS to be Skuld". Because nothing HAS to be anything until it's proven in the games.
Maxori Gaming! I’m just saying, it’s a really unneeded complication and stretch of the imagination for Kairi’s grandma and Subject x to be the same person because, they literally existed at the same time, Ansem the Wise was already studying on her at that time, Lea and Isa were trying to sneak in at this point already. Besides, I mean, why would they have Ava be possessing that person, this person we would otherwise no nothing about, wouldn’t it make much more sense to tie the other characters from Ux in as well? Instead of just leaving skuld entirely up in the air? Like I said Brain is mysteriously not appeared outside of Ux in any way because they of course want him to be a complete mystery, he’s the weird one, he’s the most suspicious, they got more in store for him no doubt. I don’t want to say I’m 100% right even I make it sound like I do, because it’s just my thoughts, I’m just going off of what has been given to me and not trying to jump hoops through logic and say one character has possessed 2 people and the same point in time 🤷🏼♂️
@@SSlash I don't think Ava was possessing both at the same time. I think that just like Luxu she took many people throughout her years. When it was time for Kairi's grandmother to die(most likely due to old age) she took the girl that Lea and Isa were friends with and that would explain why no one knows where she is. And for all we know, Skuld could be the one that killed Strelitzia. That would be a plot twist.
now that ava and brain working together is confirmed as off missions 910-915, this theory holds up wayy better. I wonder how union x will play out, now that it's finally entering finale territory.
Ava's Union simbol is a 🦊, and did you guys think about Xehanort calling Eraqus "Sly Fox" all the time along the series? I mean, is not that Eraqus is Ava, but we have no coincidences in Kingdom Hearts Lore, for sure.
Darkness (Ava) could've told eraqus about the keyblade war. He acted oblivious when xehanort mentioned it, but xehanort calls him out on it. So what I'm saying is, Ava could've trained or at least talked to eraqus in some way or another. Great catch!
Watching this and knowing what we do now....wait...Holy shit, I think you're right I am referring to what we know about that happened to Strelitzia from Ventus' account. If he is telling the truth then Ava/Darkness killed her then gave Ventus the book. Ava/Darkness might have found out how the MoM is planning to give everyone the Keyblade war amnesia wipe, and does the same to Ventus, to erase that one memory.
It's interesting that Ava calls herself "Darkness" she could have chosen any alias but she chose this in specific, I believe that she must have realised what was going on, that she is the reason why the Keyblade War begin, she must feel guilty hence calling herself "Darkness" aka the reason of the end of the world. I'm really interested to know what role will she have in future games, if the whole "The foretelers are the villains of the next arc" thing is true then she might be the one to side with Sora and crew, which will be the way that they will learn about the OG Keyblade War and probably know more about Ventus. Really excited to see what Nomura pulls for the next game. The man caught me in a loophole.
I always hoping for the one that suddenly revealed that Sora was Ava little brother or Ava's lost apprentice or something like that... But being a darkness & a traitor could be possibble as well...😄
If Ava can be disguised as a union leader. Wouldn't it make sense if she disguised as Luxu in the Union x when he was talking to Brain in the ark chamber? It could make sense. Since he did say if Brain can be at two places at once. But then where did he get the box. Luxu did say he lost track of it but knows it hidden. Guess we have to wait until Missing Link is out.
I don't think so? Ava and Luxu's confrontation appears to be taking place during the same time that Player and Skuld meet with Gula in that same building. It's after they're in there that Strelitzia's Chirithy tells her that he saw Player go in there. So Strelitzia went in after Player Skuld and Gula already left, so it must have been after Luxu and Ava's confrontation. Does that make sense?
I would beg to ask though, why was Ava minipulating Ventus and why did she or Ventus darkness eliminate Steriliza? Did she know something that she wasn't supposed to tell the other Dandelions?
I thought Ava was that girl Ansem the Wise found and experimented on. Isa and Lea snuck in and met her. Ansem said she wore armor and spoke with ancient words or something.
Exellent edition!! Super fluid, interesting to watch, simple and clean. I'm not sure about the part of being working with Brain, because it doesnt't make sense that Ava recruit Strellitzia to be a union leader if she was going to kill her anyway. But for all means, you made an excellent work. I will wait impatiently for the next theory. Thank you so much for your excellent work, and congratulations from Spain!!
Another great video, as usual! I love reading your theories, but there's something very satisfying in your presentation of them here, too. Though, while I like that you jump straight to the point of the video, I do feel like some sort of preface would be nice for certain characters? Especially when it comes to talking about the mobile game just because its story isn't as known/accessible to people. Just like, a quick run off of who Darkness is, or just some tiny intro in the beginning of the video so its easier to slide into it as a whole. Not really sure if I'm making sense haha it's more a flow thing I guess. Also is Darkness the character that killed Strelitizia or is that separate? Either way I really loved watching this, keep up the good work!
Yeah I see your point LOL. I'm trying really hard to avoid super long intros, so maybe I can practice balancing a short and effective introduction. I guess my train of thought for this video was "why would they watch a video on Darkness if they don't even know who that is" but I realize now that's not a fair train of thought- I should quickly explain anyway. And I actually purposely left out if Darkness killed Strelitizia because it really could be either of the two- them or Brain. Brain I would say has the more evidence, but only because we know more about him in general, if we learn more about Darkness I'm sure they'll be more suspicious as well. Either way though, it doesn't look good for either of them 😬
2:48 In Japanese, the word used for their "roles" is 使命 (shimei, 'mission/errand'). In the epilogue, Xigbar uses 使命 to refer both to his "role" and to Ava's "mission." th-cam.com/video/1Gs0vitA-2c/w-d-xo.html at 2:33 Though there is a lot of evidence for Ava to be Darkness, I'm still not personally convinced. I need to see more of Darkness to determine what exactly they're doing or trying to accomplish. However, there is a minor piece of evidence against Ava being Darkness, and that is Darkness's Japanese patterns of speech--specifically, Darkness uses the masculine pronoun 俺 (ore) rather than the neutral/feminine 私 (watashi) that Ava uses. Obviously this is something that can't be directly translated so it's a facet of the mystery most Western fans won't pick up on. It's possible Ava could change her pronoun/speech patterns to disguise herself further, but I doubt it.
After the most recent keyblade war event....one thing is for sure. Ava is definitely looking like the traitor. So your theory is starting to look really good. The lost page definitely aligns with what she has done up to that point in the story. But now im not so sure Ava is the only traitor because in a conversation Gula had with Ava, he tells her that the lost page doesnt explain much except that it is the person who bears the sigil. And we know Ava does not have any sigils (that we can see at least). Meanwhile, Luxu (who does have an x in his name) was not suppose to interfere and was told to simply watch (yet he fights with Ava). Im starting to think that its not just one traitor but rather two. Unless Normura changed his mind about the usage of the sigil and is instead going to give us hints by revealing the lost page over time.
Hi! I don't know if the comment appeared for you because of algorithms, but I did make a comment of frequent points and my replies to them, and the sigil was one of them. Basically in the comment, I said that the sigil is called the Recusant Sigil, and a recusant by definition is "someone who refuses to comply with authority or regulations." So, for me, if Ava really is a traitor and decides to take things into her own hands, then that by definition makes her a recusant. And I also said that with taking the letter X into account, yeah, we can think it's talking about Luxu. But reading his mental thoughts in his Observation Reports, it seems everything he's doing (even at the end of KH3) is out of loyalty to the MoM and to the other apprentices. Luxu never displays any signs of betraying them. I could be wrong, but that's my thought process :)
No way...I literally had goosebumps from this theory because not only does it make sense but it also showcases immense attention to detail that you have beautifully demonstrated, very well done Also you’re editing encompasses the soul of your theory which I love so much it’s the best I have seen in awhile keep it up!!!
=Master of Master's being Darkness itself, and a final test of the Foretellers, that MoM knew would fail but then tested everyone yet to come= to see who would be worthy of the X-Blade or Kingdom Hearts itself. (???) Maybe
There were only a few people who Luxu could say to her is the identity of the traitor that would make her attack him like that, one of them was Ava herself, so I had my suspicions
This just made me think, what if Ava is the voice in the darkness that leads Sora through the beginning of each Kingdom Hearts game? You can only read the voice, but it seems to fit thematically with Ava's role of training new Keyblade wielders, as well as her been a kind person who would want to help Sora and other people out. Helping Sora could be the mission that Luxu (Xigbar) mentions at the end of KH3, as it is the ultimate catalyst of bringing the Master (MoM) back to finally confront him.
Darkness could be simply vanitas, at the end of the battle with vanitas in kingdom hearts 3 he says clearly: "i am darkness". I know this is simply, but maybe the right thing is the most simple, i believe vanitas is a secret apprentiece of the mom, they all have a name of a deadly sin except for superb or vanitas... There are similar words.
Hi! I'm not sure if you can find it easily cause the algorithm for comments is always strange, but if you can find my comment where I address FAQs, I talk about that there :)
@@TheSecretReports Oh, thank you! I found it by digging a bit. :) About your answer: maybe the Recusant's Sigil is to be taken literally? Both MoM and Luxu have this on their zippers: i.redd.it/yyomzijwr8411.jpg It would then feed into the theory that MoM is the traitor by making everybody fight. I also read an interesting (albeit unsubstantiated) theory in the TH-cam comments today (by commenter Emanuele Ciralli) that each and every one of the Foretellers could correspond to parts of the prophecy: "Unable to permit disharmony (Invi), you will be disappointed by faith (Ira), and lose sight of true strength (Aced)... Misreading the truth (Gula), you will venture forth in secrecy (Ava)." Which could also both mean that they're all the traitors or that there's no traitor except for MoM playing up to their flaws. So I'm still unsure about Ava. Others broke the rules too, like Gula who wanted to summon Kingdom Hearts to make MoM come back. And if the Nightmare Chirithy was the Player's all along, MoM still provided them with the bangles and knew that this NC would get the Foretellers to doubt themselves.
That’s an amazing theory, the most convincing one so far it just makes a whole lot of sense(which is something KH is not too well known for lol). I feel with all my heart that this next arc is going to be Nomura’s chance to prove himself and give us a story that blows our minds and put all the inconsistencies behind us. It’s a new era for KH and it’s going to be GOOD!
---SPOILERS--- Decided to leave the above title to warn other readers and have a chance to avoid this comment I'm writting. SecretReports, your theory is very well structured, so much so that I wish to debate and maybe discuss some events that happened this year that support your theory even more and make it more solid. As you've already established, Ava's actions are her atempt at changing the future, but in doing so she actually deviated from the Masters intent and may have become a "traitor" in that sense. In the recent updates in KHux we already know the Master gave her a list of the names of those to be chosen as the next Foretellers, one of those names being circled in red (signifying that person would inherit the Book of Prophecies). That in itself could be interpreted as "treason" for betraying the future. Even though her heart was in the right place, her actions might have been the cataclist of even more disaster. In one of the updates, Darkness has a dialog with Maleficent in which it confirms to know events of the future, but not everything. That could be because at this point in time, assuming Darkness is really Ava, she was actually being honest about not knowing everything that was to come, since she didn't know how her atemp at changing the future would play out. Because of that, I believe the theory that she is the Darkness etinty is still worth holding on to. On another note, Braig had a recent debate with Ephemer that he doesn't believe Ava had a hand in Strelitzia's fate, and thus that event wasnt one of her atempts at changing the future, either directly or not. Even so, I think it's worth noting that her character design has a fox, which in stories usually imply someone cunning and hidding his/her true intentions, usually wanting to trick other and perform mischief. Nomura could very well have had that in mind while creating her character and actually be a clue that even her could maybe deviate from her kind nature if she trully believes it would bring forth a brighter future. Another point that I think reenforces your theory, of her using the alias of Darkness, again the implementation of a fox in her design. Foxes in japanese folklore, a fox Yokai more specificly, have the ability to create false illusions to hide its true self and aliciate others. With that in mind, and seeing and she had passed as Gula before, I could see Darkness trully being Ava.
Hi Gema! So while I personally am not very good when it comes to theorizing with symbolism ( like the fox for example ), I do see where you're coming from when it comes to her giving the Book of Prophecies to someone else, and how that in-and-of-itself can be seen as her defying her role. I also think that Darkness saying they haven't read *all* of the Book of Prophecies may also imply that Ava has not read the missing page that Gula received. And while Brain says he doubt Ava would do something like that, Brain also assumed they were in the real world (which we know they're not, but in a data world instead) so we know that Brain doesn't have all the details or answers to what's happening around them.
@@TheSecretReports I'd like to propose a theory about something else, and dont worry I do have the evidence to back it up :) That there is a paradox in the creation of the worlds that came after the keyblade war. Hit me up if you'd like to discuss it.
Awesome theory KH story is so deep. I have 1 question though? Do you have a theory video who killed Strelitzia? I wanna watch. And Im a sub your theory is incredible and very well explained and putting all the pieces together. Thank you.
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*UPDATED THOUGHTS -* August 5, 2021
Overall, this theory is *DECONFIRMED!* There are parts in it that hold up, but I don't want to mislead any new viewers into thinking this theory is still a possibility.
*CORRECTION @ **0:26** & **10:35** -* In _7 and 13_ the MoM tells Luxu that the mention of "the traitor" in the Book was to stir doubt in the Foretellers. But later the Master calls Luxu the traitor. This is likely in reference to the future, since Luxu has not _yet_ betrayed the Master. I don't think fans saying "Luxu has an X in his name" was good evidence for this, because the Recusant's Sigil is a real, tangible object summoned by Xemnas and Xehanort. For example, Roxas and Xion have X's in their name, but they no longer have the Recusant's Sigil since Xemnas died in KH3. While the Master confirms Luxu the traitor, we don't know if Luxu had the sigil during KHUX.
*Xigbar mentioning Ava in KH3's epilogue **1:59** -* While I'm open-minded to others being the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod in KHUX, if it was Ava that Luxu sent to the future, he may have used her mask as her medium, which would explain meta-wise why her face was covered in sheets: to avoid a face reveal.
*CORRECTION @ **2:48** -* I was informed that this word is the same in Japanese! So Xigbar could have, after all, been referring to a role the MoM gave to Ava.
*_"You will venture forth in secrecy" _**_3:22_* - While this is in reference to the traitor (Luxu), I still think Ava was pulling strings in the background during KHUX, like possibly being the one who connected Wreck it Ralph's world to data Daybreak Town.
*Luxu telling Maleficent about the Box **6:38** -* Now that KHUX is over, the only other person I can see telling Maleficent about the box is the figure who was seen with Strelitzia wearing the white coat (which may be a data body since data version of the Dandelions are mentioned through out KHUX). This may not be Luxu because he later asks Brain if a Union Leader was struck down, which he would have already known if he truly was interacting with Strelitiza.
*Brain and Ava working together **11:53** -* Please watch _"Brain has an impersonator"_ for my updated thoughts on this. I still believe that Brain and Ava had _another_ meeting we've never seen, since Brain said in _Resolutions_ that Ava told him Ephemer's always wanted to read the Book, and I think it's possible Ava warned him that darkness "can hide anywhere, even inside someone", since that was one hell of a shot in the dark.
*Where has Ava been? **13:56** -* Like I mention above, I think it's possible that Ava was the "true dandelion" Luxu put in the 7th pod. But I also think it's possible Ava has been residing in Unreality, and for that explanation you'll need to watch _"Brain, the Box, and KH3's Tear in Time"_ and also read that video's description. Sorry for the redirection, but I don't want to repeat myself LOL. Of course, the Realm of Darkness is still a possiblity.
When did the Master call Luxu the traitor? I must have missed that
@@insertnamehere2746 It makes sense that some would miss it if they duck in and out of KHUX's story, it was very recent, literally KHUX's finale! (so, spoiler alert)
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Sometimes i feel like Nomura might watch these and be like "Alright cool. I'll do that."
Or he will do more plot twist
laughed hard
Mhhhh
I don't think Nomura knew English that well. He might google Japanese theories however.
I feel like he does the opposite. “Hmm.. they’re on to me… scrap that and let’s make something else so they are technically wrong in the end”
this was unbelievably fun to watch, helped in no small part by the super fluid editing and *extremely* clear presentation of ideas. Love these--really excited to hear your thoughts in future theories!
I couldn't say that better myself, i stopped the video to write a comment but found this one showing my thoughts
Access Granted.🗝
When you think about it Ava's role was pretty dark, she basically had to choose who would get to survive the Keyblade War.
Dandelions appear as bad guys??
Or at least her personal army??
She probably picked herself
THIS is the Kingdom Hearts content we all deserve. Intelligent theory, convincing arguments, excellent editing : you deserve the 100k subs.
The illusions might have something to do with the fact that she’s represented by a fox. Japanese fox spirits could create illusions to trick people. Maybe each apprentice has a special ability like this that we don’t know about? 🤔
I like your theory more but it's her Fox are known for tricks
I feel like this is why Final Fantasy characters were removed, Kingdom Hearts now has a whole slew of characters pertaining to the main story
Well, they weren’t “removed”. They just took a backseat in KH3.
@@BobbyTheGamerOfJUSTICE dude , they were pretty much removed.
There was no FF character whasoever in KH3 , just a character inspired by Noctis , but still not the actual character.
@phatomsosX Cactaur and many other FF things made a cameo in Toy Story, Cloud and Auron were mentioned in Olympus, FF enemies showing up in the gummie ship as constellations, the moogle shop, & Seifer was mentioned by an NPC in Twilight town.
They may not have been in the usual method of an actual character showing up and doing things but to say FF was completely removed is just wrong.
I hope in the future we get another sepheroth boss battle
People of the past, in your future (my present) it's confirmed that FF characters are back in KH3 Re☼Mind
I didn't enjoy Kingdom Hearts 3 as much as I hoped to but I'm really liking the way the story is going and I'm excited to see what happens next! I think I like this Foreteller story arc better than the Xehanort arc. Even back when I first played Kingdom Hearts 2, I have always liked Xigbar a lot. It's nice to see that he's more important than I ever thought.
Well, Re: mind is coming soon, so there's that to look forward to!
interesting theory and I do believe that Ava carries within her a Darkness and she will never acknowledge it. I like the effort and editing in the video! also I like how you are so careful with every detail in this video.
I disagree that Ava has any darkness and instead is the most pure of the foretellers. She’s the only one to question MoM and the only one who actively tries to prevent the key blade war while the others just kinda go with it. She’s also the only one who’s keyblade is different from the rest, as they all have some dark coloration on their keyblade while avas is entirely made of bright colors
@@Spoogebro Greetings from the future.
You will all soon learn that Ava is both darkness and of the purest light, just like Ventus. The closer you stand to the light, the larger your shadow becomes.
Really like this theory! I can totally get behind this. Using the game sounds, like low health for spoiler warning, was really cute.
I've just discovered your channel and I'm amazed by both the presentation of the theory and how detailed it is, seriously you deserve more subscribers, wow. It makes the theory that Subject X could be Skuld a lot more likely to happen. By the way, Nomura said in the KH 3 Ultimania that six of the seven black chess pieces seen in the KH3 epilogue belong to the Foretellers, I wonder if this could mean that the Ava from the chess piece is not the real Ava and instead this Ava comes from the past or it's a clone of her, it's so weird:
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Yeah good point! Even if the traitor truly is someone else- no matter what, all of them are black pieces in the end. So even if it IS Ava, it would be interesting to see what happens to her to make her be a black piece, or at least one that's similar to Terra, who was both a black and white piece of the first game.
@@TheSecretReports Yeah! Whatever Nomura decides to do with Ava's role I think it'll be interesting to see. By the way, I'm working on a KH theory that I'm writing on Google Docs, I don't know when I'll publish it but I don't want to rush it because I'll summarize Xehanort's arc and explain in detail the Keyblade War related games, and despite I'm analyzing cutscenes from every game I completely forgot mentioning that there's one more description of the traitor *facepalm*
Do you remember Gula saying in Back Cover that the Lost Page contains this description about the traitor: ''The one who bears the sigil''? I'm now thinking that it might be a reference to Subject X, I'm going to explain why: Sora's clothes in KH 3D feature the X sigil, which is the letter X (Chi) from the X-Blade and the subtitles Unchained X / Union X, and Young Xehanort later states in the same game that this sigil was used to locate Sora.
*MAJOR KH 3 SPOILERS* Well, so what's important about this sigil? Before this scene of YX, Sora talked to Xemnas and Xigbar / Luxu, and the two of them were offering Sora to become an ally and to abandon his friends' side, Luxu says: ''We see bigger and much better things in your future once you side with us'', which I think is VERY shady. Why would you ask your enemy if he wants to join your team after all the pain you've caused to him and his friends? Like it's very stupid, there must be a very good reason why Luxu would bother trying that. People often say that Nomura has no idea of in which direction he wants to take the story of KH, but honestly after spending a lot of hours on my KH project I doubt he doesn't know what he wants to do with the story.
So him and Xemnas were already conspiring in secret against Xehanort when he (Xehanort) wasn't interested in making Sora an ally in the slightest, he just wanted to turn Sora into the 13th dark vessel to have those dark vessels ready to forge the X-Blade, in fact Xehanort has a low opinion of Sora, he calls him ''a dull, ordinary boy''. And we've already found out in KH 3 that Xehanort was another pawn in the Master's plan (with the Re : Mind trailer further hinting at the possibility that the Master could have manipulated Xehanort to become an admirer of darkness) When Sora rejects Luxu's offer, Xemnas fights Sora, and when the fight starts Xemnas says: ''As your flesh bears the sigil, so your name shall be known as that of a recusant''
It's like Xemnas and Luxu know a lot more than everyone else but they're not disclosing what they know. (Luxu doesn't for obvious reasons) In KH 3 Xemnas has a meeting with Luxord, Marluxia, Larxene and Demyx in the Keyblade Graveyard and he implies in a cryptic way that he knows those characters are from the age of Union X.
So about the word ''recusant'': I looked for its meaning on wordreference.com while working on my KH theory and I read that it means ''somebody who rejects authority'' If rejecting authority in the KH universe is equal to rejecting the Master and Luxu, then Sora would be no different from Ava, he would be a traitor too since he rejects Luxu's offer. So if there's only one traitor instead of two then there's a chance that Subject X is Ava considering that Subject X has the sigil of the recusant and she was rescued by Ansem the Wise and Luxu (plus what we know about Subject X being 15 yrs old and only remembering having 4 friends and the sentence ''May your heart be your guiding key'') And I don't think any other character could be the traitor if we take into account that the Org. XIII members have this sigil on their names, the Wayfinder trio has it on their clothes too like Sora and Xehanort has it in his name as well.
*END OF KH 3 SPOILERS*
Edit: I forgot to mention that according to Xehanort in BBS, the letter X means ''death'' and ''endings'' Then if we translate the X in Unchained X and KH X (Chi) they can be read as KH : Death and KH : Unchained Death, since Union X translates the X as Cross, erasing the negative connotations. Most of the wielders (except the Player) technically die in the Keyblade War and their hearts ascend to Kingdom Hearts in Back Cover, so that meaning is fitting. And X-Blade could be read as ''Death-Blade'' I think it's quite weird that a keyblade that summons Kingdom Hearts has this meaning in its name when Kingdom Hearts is known to be the source of light, in other words it's a source of life and not of death.
@@mindlessdrawing3336 While I could be wrong, I'm not Nomura after all lol, I just really don't think Ava is Subject X because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up.
But I will admit, I don't have any firm evidence of Ava being "the one bears the sigil" other then her being a recusant for rejecting her role and denying the Master. But maybe that in and of itself is the recusant sigil, she may not have the letter X in her name but she definitely fits the bill of a recusant IF this video is correct (which who knows, it may not be!)
@@TheSecretReports Wow, I didn't notice the hint in Subject X's report, good find! Even if your theory about Ava being the traitor did turn out to be wrong in the end I think it's still fun to speculate about the story and see what happens :)
I think there's more evidence of Ava being the traitor, I've checked the translation of the epilogue's Japanese version and apparently it's a bit different from the English one, Luxu says: ''Ava didn't show, as expected'' and ''Nah. If she's not here she must've finished her mission as well'' This video has captions in English:
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P.S: Btw, sorry for rambling a lot in my comment ^_^U I commented too much stuff without bothering to check if it makes enough sense.
Holy shit. You predicted Ava sharing the Book of Prophecies with Brain 5 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
Incredible. Your Tumblr never ceases to amaze me, but these videos are an extra special treat to watch. Your editing is impeccable and your theories are so compelling! Can't wait to see whatever comes next!!
You sly fox.
- Xehanort
I think Ava's fate will have something to do with Skuld, they sit in the same seats in the Union meetings and her name means debt, meaning she could've paid her debt she owed to Ava by choosing her as a Dandelion by becoming her vessel or taking refuge in her heart before leaving the data world and being flung into the future. I think the absence of Ava in the epilogue is because she is hiding inside Skuld somehow, either as a vessel or like Ventus was hiding in Sora. And Subject X is an amnesiac so nor Ava or Skuld's hearts remember who they are. So all Luxu knows is that she fulfilled her mission, not that she is inside Subject X. Personally I really like this idea because it sets up a race against time between Isa and the Foretellers to track down Subject X, whom contains the hearts of both Skuld and Ava. And it'd be quite the shock twist to discover that Ava has been right there all along under everyone's noses.
I also currently think that Brain is Luxord in another vessel after that suspect ReMInd exchange with Luxu not knowing who he is, Luxord has stated many times a game is no fun if you know how it's going to end, MoM has rigged the game of fate, and Brain wanted to rewrite fate, he gambled with union leaders lives to leave the data world, he's the ancestor of Eraqus (supposedly) and Luxu is technically the original scapegoat like Xehanort, the chess game will continue between them, but instead of light vs darkness it's order vs chaos, time vs space, Luxord/Brain vs Xigbar/Luxu. There are even more possible clues to support this, it seems like Nomura could be setting up Luxord to be a major player in the battle against MoM and the Foretellers.
And with Demyx being the only blank left, I'm inclined to believe he is the Player character in KHX, since his supposed canon default appearance looks an awful lot like a possible young Demyx, he has lighter hair at the top and darker brown at the bottom as well as a blue and yellow outfit that matches the colors of Demyx's sitar Arpeggio. It would be a great twist imo, if the main character of the mobile game and one of the greatest warriors in the keyblade war, who took on the Foretellers themselves is the "useless" and "chicken" Demyx, I like it way more than him being MoM. And for him to forget all that is pretty sad since he has such low self worth as a nobody. The idea of Demyx and the revived Union Leaders all coming together to fight the Foretellers is quite a sight. And maybe Demyx x Streltzia.
Player x Strelitzia would be cute u.u XD(the rest of your theory looks cool and awesome and a part of me wishes may be true...another part of me wishes it's not true...because it would imply that i just read a lot of spoilers...and a story "is no fun if you know how it's going to end" XD)
Just found your channel 5 minutes ago and love the amount of effort that goes into your editing! Definitely will keep watching your vids!
This is the best theory I've ever found of Kingdom Hearts, very well thought and it makes so much sense that's almost scary.
I don’t remember the last time I was this impressed by a Kingdom Hearts video. This is probably one of the only theories I can get behind. Kinda want to kick myself for not piecing this out myself. But incredible video. Definitely earned the sub 🖤🖤 can’t wait to see what future videos you have in mind
I still think that Sora is meant to be king of Kingdom Hearts. I mean look at all the artwork. He has a crown for a necklace before he first was the emblem, he actually has a cosmetic crown, he has a sword called "The Kingdom Key", he now possess the actual "X-Blade", was able to revive himself multiple times, has among the strongest levels of light in him, and can connect with any heart.
I think so too. he who tames the PoHs becomes king. something along those lines was stated..... somewhere......
in tarot/persona terms, sora is the fool (the *wild card* of the tarot deck) who will take the world (KH).
*I'm going to reply to a few questions/replies here so I don't have to keep answering individual comments, hope that's okay! I'll edit to add replies as I see fit*
*Ava as Subject X:*
I just really don't think Ava is Subject X because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up.
*Ava as Kairi's Grandma:*
While I'm still not ready to jump in, I do believe this to be way more plausible than Subject X. Darkness mentions to Maleficent that the Master never made projections of Radiant Garden (the 7th world with a Princess of Heart- Kairi) because it was too sensitive and important to risk anything with it. However, what's interesting is that in mission 871, Brain says that the projections of the Book work in similar ways to pop-up books. And the FIRST thing we ever seen in both KHX and KHUX is a popup story page of Radiant Garden, and Kairi's Grandmother telling her the tale of the Keyblade War. So that implies there's still a chance that Radiant Garden was a projection in KHX or UX after all. This along with both Maleficent and Kairi's Grandmother residing in Radiant Garden/Hollow Bastion is a nice connection to Maleficent and Darkness talking about said world, if both Darkness and Kairi's Grandmother are indeed both Ava after all.
*The Sigil Gula mentions:*
In Back Cover when Gula states that the lost page mentions "the one who bears the sigil", while it's not stated directly, it does seem to be implying the Recusant's Sigil, and a recusant is someone who refuses to comply or submit to authority or a regulation. So if Ava really is trying to "undo" her role and defy the master, then that in-and-of-itself makes her a recusant. True, she doesn't have an X in her name like Luxu does, so that particular detail would point to Luxu being the traitor. But really, with what we've read in his Observation excerpts, Luxu seems to be doing everything he can do fulfill his role and obey the Master, the exact opposite of a recusant.
The Secret Reports really good video! I love your Chanel! Really good edits and you prove the reason of your theories.
That I have mentioned it, that there's a trailer scene in "Kingdom Hearts 3 ReMind" that Xigbar has to ask Luxord a question, "Just who are you, Luxord?" and Luxord had given a card to Sora and said that card will be useful later, but at the final scene at Kingdom Hearts 3, Sora hasn't come back to Destiny Island. So could that mean Luxord will be Ava?
吉露玛 ohhh that’s plausible considering that Ava can transform
@The Secret Reports maybe Gula's role to find the traitor is referring to post kh3 epilogue. He knows Ava the best, therefore would be able to see past her disguise. The sigil will be a relevant clue for him then not when they were together in the age of fairy tales. So now the is game on Ava... Game on.
Ava? A traitor? That's a lied! If Ava is a traitor, there has to be a logical explanation!
The fact that you only have 2k subscribers (at the time of typing this) is criminal. This style of editing captures the fairy tale style that Kingdom Hearts thrive on. I'm desperately looking forward to future videos!
This was amazing! Great work! And the theory makes sense! Ava being darkness does add up! Keep up the amazing theories and videos :D
Your video’s are something for me to look forward to from now since the editing is absolutely fantastic and these theories have their head and foot, thus most possibly being true. And like I said in the last video, you truly deserve more subscribes
The biggest pieces of evidence for this theory, IMO, are Ava's clothing and Brain's name. Think about it...
♪~Pinky and the Brain.~♪
♪~Yes, Pinky and the Brain~♪
♪~One is a genius.~♪
*♪~The other's insane.~♪*
That absolutely breaks my heart. The fact we got Aqua out of the darkness made me cry. Being in a world if solitude all this time. She was in for a long time but Ava being there for that long tears my heart to pieces. How broken her poor heart must be. I hope she can be saved. She was my favorite. Such a pure light that wanted nothing but the best for everyone. We gotta save her!!!
Ava is acting as Sora's mom, still waiting for him to come down for dinnerm
nice use of the ingame sounds for this. luv it!
Before watching the video: wtf lmao what how is Ava Darkness in ANY WAY?!
During the video: ...holy shit this actually makes sense... but... what... how... NOMURAAAAAA!!!
The way that was edited gave me goosebumps-- Not to mention the theory in and of itself. Very well done. I'm amazed.
I was searching for someone like you. You tried to be as academic as possible, I like that.
Good theory by the way.
U should be awarded with a noble prize, u summarized everything so simply. Thank you soo much.
These videos are extremely well edited. Well done.
This is far and beyond one of the best KH videos I have ever seen, and it makes me extremely excited to see work of this quality
Tbh I didn't realise what he meant about "venture forth into secrecy", I could never have thought that Ava had such involvement as what was originally thought.. Plus it isn't too farfetched as to how she survived for this long being in the ROD, as the other 4 foretellers were revived by Xigbar, and body-hopping for centuries. Overall I love this theory you made!! :D
If i were a college prof teaching KH, you’d get an A+ for this awesome video! And bonus marks for the clear points and visuals :)
Throughout the years of Kingdom Hearts there have been many great theory’s with fantastic content creators but I must say you are by far the best when it comes to explanation and “diving” into those theories
This is literally one of best kh3 theories I have ever watched. I'm right behind you on this one
Just discovered your channel and I gotta say, it's amazing. Diving into details on the subject, explaining in a way anyone can understand, along with clean video editing skills, makes it a delight to watch.
Can't wait to see what other theories you have!
Great explantation, I love how you set up the whole video.
I might be reaching here, but considering the typical traits of a fox like being sly and cunning, this would actually make a lot of sense! You also totally called Ava working with Brian in some way, love the theory!
Also questions.
If Ava "mission" was to bring the dandelions back to the real world and she "carried it out" with succession, then why is Ephemer shown as a projection or vision to Sora and not actually there. Almost wanna say that he's helping him beyond the grave with the rest of the dandelions. 2: Was her decision to defy the MoM bad? Like was she doing this all to save everyone's future or is she bad now and became darkness because there was no other option? I don't understand my head is spinning. 🤪
Another great video! I literally just made a theory video about Ava. Yours blow mine out of the water lol. These are so fun to watch! Amazing job keep it up!
This video was outstanding! The editing was also exceptional and super fun to watch! Great job
I believe Ava is Darkness, but I am 100% positive she’s hiding in plain sight in the main series-as Namine!
U wasn't wrong about ave becoming the darkness
Omg...I just had the weirdest idea....since ava does have illusion magic...what if she at some point pretended to be luxord hence the scene in the first remind trailer between Xigbar and Luxord
First of all, that’s a great video in both research and exposition, because I was able to understand better something that I didn’t before, so thanks! Second of all, considering her “disguising” abilities Ava could be disguising herself as Brain and so acting effectively as the virus in MoM’s program.
It is also to consider that in KH universe is now accepted the possibility to change body as Luxu did, so this could be true also in Ava’s case, despite I hope for a simple disguise answer.
The fact that she could have chosen to disguise as Brain instead as the same Strelitzia could simply be in order to not make mistakes, because Lauriam could have seen through the disguise.
Well, you made really think about it, good job.
I see you! Nomura, whether he means to or not, always creates just strange kingdom hearts logic that can totally be used in ridiculous ways, if he was willing to bend over backwards in the world he's created (and he has before, like with Terra and Xion in KH3, so who's to say the crazy man won't again).
You know, watching this video has convinced me even more that Ava is the traitor. I was ignorant at the beginning because Ava is my ABSOLUTE favourite Foreteller because she is so sweet and luminous and I didn’t believe that someone as pure as her would be evil. But watching this video does put more perspective into the theory of Ava’s role as the traitor. But that still doesn’t change the fact I love her and is one of my favourite Kingdom Hearts characters
And I think there's a chance that just because she's the traitor doesn't necessarily mean she's evil. I think as of this moment, Ava did what she had to do because she believed it was the right thing to do, she's still trying to save the world and the dandelions. At least, that's how I perceive it at this point in time.
The Secret Reports that is true too
What blows my mind about this theory video is that it’s 5 months old. So much more evidence has come out in support of this. Talk about being way ahead of the curve
Never played a Kingdom Heart game, but now I want to see more KH history videos, that's a thumbs up
And with the new update of KH UX, this makes way more sense ! Good job !
After seeing update 961-965, I'm leaning towards your direction:
*Fun fact:* Ava's bio (from KH Wiki) says she's as "Cunning as a Fox." In Japanese folklore, Foxes are noted shapeshifters and deceivers. I think the Darkness is as much taking the form of Ava, as Ava is the darkness.
Remember, the Fox Form came first, before the Darkness was introduced as an actual being. Both may have existed ubiquitously, with only MoM being aware.
But, is Ava the traitor? It would make a nice twist. Moreover, it would make MoM that much more devious, since he planned the war. What I think *kinda* happened: The Keyblade War from Chi/Ki was never actually "erased,"; Ven, etc. live in a virtual simulation independent of Ki's timeline. They are essentially in the Video Game world, same as Ralph's. The REAL WORLD Daybreak Town was DECIMATED during the war from Ki, hence the BREAK between RWd DBT and Scala. Because of the continuous fighting and slaughter during the actual war, the Foretellers hearts turned black, and each became possessed by the Embodiment of Darkness. This is the same Darkness that Young Xehanort found, and eventually forced his hand. This may also be the same Darkness that MoM is attempting to either control, or replace (if he's evil). There being more than one Darkness ties into the (a) Sequel Bait on the KHIII Cover, and (b) the Darkness emanating from Ventus telling Lauriam "now you confirm *we* exist."
Moreover, if Ven's Darkness is connected to the same war, then he may be one of the Foretellers but lost his memory. Most likely Gula, which would cement his connection to Ava. But, then why does his darkness take the shape of Ava? I'm guessing they have access to all Foreteller forms, but each Foreteller is tethered to an independent entity. Think of it like a Hivemind from GitS, or Pain's Path's from Naruto.
Still, With MoM's speech to the fourth wall as a build up to 961-965's reveal, telling us to be patient for answers, it's evident that there's a lot Nomura's leaving out. Bastard.
The keyblade war from X was never erased, just the memory of the children that lived the war, the kids lose that tragic memories.
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Okay, then those Memories still tied to the Foretellers turned their hearts to Darkness. I guess what I meant was that their memories of the war were "erased". Gotta imagine the Old Masters filled with Darkness, each one stronger than MX, is gonna be a whole new level of ridiculous.
This makes the cover of 3 more clear: those dark figures on the tower are the Foretellers, shrouded in the darkness of their memories.
The bigger questions are these: Why does Ven act as an agent of Darkness? Who the heck is ven supposed to be? And why did MX want to experiment on Ven exclusively?
Ven seems to be a vessel for darkness, the same way that Sora seems to be a vessel for hearts.
Funny how this got released BEFORE a recent update showing Ava and Brain working together
I was thinking the exact same, she called it!
"I told [Ava] clear as day what it is I had to do" -Luxu. Hmmm. So Ava knows about the plan to use the Foretellers as Hosts? That seems like a pretty big deal.
This makes sense and I HATE IT! ...But I would never understand why. Even if Ava is the "traitor" in the sense that she hated what the Master of Masters was doing (i.e. setting them up to fail and just watching by), it doesn't quite fit her M.O. of the Dandelions and her being this kind, caring individual. Would she really try to uproot and throw the Dandelions into chaos just because making the Dandelions was her "role", which she now wishes she wasn't a part of or something???? I dunno. She was one of the few Masters with a more in-depth personality, and there better be a DAMN good explanation if she's Darkness, or otherwise I'm not really sold on what they have in mind for the Masters.
i may have a feeling to add the theory, she could be the primary antagonist in the last Kingdom Hearts game series if not Master of Masters
excuse me, it's MoM
congratulations^^
A truly thorough and decent analysis! Reamarkably done! Maybe you would like to analyse kh's most brutal discrepancies? For example, Terra's body not aging in KH3 even though it died (as Xemnas) in kh 2 in an aged form? It is a direct contradiction to what happened to Ienzo, as he lost his heart to darkness in a child form yet after 10 years or so returned as a complete being in an adult's form
Yes!! I would LOVE to talk about this. My next handful of videos are going to be analyses on Dream Drop Distance, but afterwards the Terra vs Ienzo factor is DEFINITELY something I want to talk about more!
@@TheSecretReports great! I will be looking forward to it! There is also a great deal of space to explore when it comes to multiple characters' unexplained amnesia when meeting certain protagonists (e.g. Pence and Roxas in 358/2) as well as Riku's dual-wielding ability in kh2 (like how is it even possible). Overall, there is even more to discuss
this theory is the continuation of the video, until ava distrubuted her heart in the new world, she was the darkness that you have talk.
My theory is that Ava does not return with the rest of masters(ira, gula ...) because she is still alive but in the way that Xehanort did. upon discovering luxu's plans, she stays in the real world while passing everything from union croos. And so that the light does not disappear while it is weak, Ava separated his heart into seven lights (the 7 pure lights) using the keyblade of the hearts of KH1. It was always said that Namine was the nobody of Kairi, but it may actually be the nobody of Ava. when sora sacrificed in kh1 sora released ava but not completely because Kairi was in Sora's heart. that's why Namine has powers over Sora; but really it´s over ava. It may be that the 3 heart that is mentioned that sora has, is ava. That's why Ephemer noticed Ava and he went to help in the form of a spirit in Kh3. Namine is the nobody of kairi but only 1/7 part. That is why kairi in KH3 does not fade / die in the first terranort´s attack, kairi had a plus of strength. this is where the ava plan to distribute his light comes in. to return ava would have to use the power of awakening over all pure lights or use the keyblade of hearts of kh1.
I actually like this theory. It could explain Namine's powers too in some kind've way.
With Re Mind out showing that scene in Ven's heart and Sora having heard Darkness's voice, would that imply Sora has met, or at least heard, Darkness's true identity. And if there is any truth to Ava being Kairi's grandmother, then, in the scene from KH I and KHX's opening, is proof Sora has heard Ava before and that is why he recognize her. There is also the possibility Darkness in Vanitias and tat speculation has more rock solid evidence with actual screen time.
There's also a tie-in theory that Ava is actually Demyx(Demyx's apperance being her current disguise). It seems to be that Ava is trying to get Dandelions and Sora's crew to notice the MoM's plan(that's why she wanted Sora's team and the Dandelions leaders to meet), but unfortunately it is and already was too late. So far it's all going in the direction the MoM has wanted it to(the mission as well, and I do belive that Luxu later realizes what I'm about to quote) and as Luxu said :
"The whole Union leader thing was supposed to be by the books. Are these new events just another phase in the Master's grand plan?"
It's like he's just using and switching the paws on the chessboard however he wants, even having a whole array of events that were not supposed to be touched to not crumbled what he wants to accomplish.
I like this theory. It would be a big plot twist. However, I personally believe that Darkness is a time traveling Vanitas. Since he is part of Ventus and Ventus existed during the X Saga, Vanitas would be able to time travel since part of him exists at that time. In KH3, he says "I am darkness" and I think that that is more than just a nickname. I made a video about who killed Strelitzia and this is part of that if you want to check it out. As for Ava, I think she did what Luxu did and possessed people throughout time. I think she is Kairi's grandmother and Lea and Isa's friend. I'm making a video for that too. Great channel by the way, you deserve a lot more subs!
Maxori Gaming! The girl lea and isa talk about has to be skuld, they reference her being like what 15 years old? And Ven was carried over into the present day events too also at around the same age, and they mention her referencing the 4 other leaders, keyblades and such, her and Ven had to have come forth in time together and she ended up in a worse position. We know where Ven is, we’ve seen Ephemera, we know about Marluxia, Brain is of course a mystery, but I have to assume whatever happened to skuld, she was subject x
@@SSlash If age matters, then Xigbar would look much older because he is possessed by Luxu. So Skuld being 15 doesn't matter since Ava could've just possessed anyone of any age. In Union X, Lauriam doesn't look that much older than Ven but in KH3 they look like they're about 10 years apart, maybe a little less. Lauriam, Ven, Brain, and Ephemer aren't necessarily the four mentioned. It could be Ira, Invi, Aced, and Gula, or perhaps Nomura wants to hit us with a plot twist like he ALWAYS does and the mentioned four don't even matter. Honestly, any Kingdom Hearts fan should know that whatever the most obvious thing is isn't what Nomura has in mind. He loves to make us think one thing and have it turn out to be something else(making us think Lauriam killed Strelitzia, Organization XIII not having hearts, Xehanort being the worst person ever that just wanted the world to be covered in darkness, etc). This is the formula he always uses and I doubt that most of what people are thinking right now is correct. I'm not saying that I'm correct. These are all just theories. But don't tell me that "The girl Lea and Isa talk about HAS to be Skuld". Because nothing HAS to be anything until it's proven in the games.
Maxori Gaming! I’m just saying, it’s a really unneeded complication and stretch of the imagination for Kairi’s grandma and Subject x to be the same person because, they literally existed at the same time, Ansem the Wise was already studying on her at that time, Lea and Isa were trying to sneak in at this point already. Besides, I mean, why would they have Ava be possessing that person, this person we would otherwise no nothing about, wouldn’t it make much more sense to tie the other characters from Ux in as well? Instead of just leaving skuld entirely up in the air? Like I said Brain is mysteriously not appeared outside of Ux in any way because they of course want him to be a complete mystery, he’s the weird one, he’s the most suspicious, they got more in store for him no doubt. I don’t want to say I’m 100% right even I make it sound like I do, because it’s just my thoughts, I’m just going off of what has been given to me and not trying to jump hoops through logic and say one character has possessed 2 people and the same point in time 🤷🏼♂️
@@SSlash I don't think Ava was possessing both at the same time. I think that just like Luxu she took many people throughout her years. When it was time for Kairi's grandmother to die(most likely due to old age) she took the girl that Lea and Isa were friends with and that would explain why no one knows where she is. And for all we know, Skuld could be the one that killed Strelitzia. That would be a plot twist.
Hey there's a hidden Mickey in the realm of darkness artwork
now that ava and brain working together is confirmed as off missions 910-915, this theory holds up wayy better. I wonder how union x will play out, now that it's finally entering finale territory.
Ava's Union simbol is a 🦊, and did you guys think about Xehanort calling Eraqus "Sly Fox" all the time along the series? I mean, is not that Eraqus is Ava, but we have no coincidences in Kingdom Hearts Lore, for sure.
Darkness (Ava) could've told eraqus about the keyblade war. He acted oblivious when xehanort mentioned it, but xehanort calls him out on it. So what I'm saying is, Ava could've trained or at least talked to eraqus in some way or another. Great catch!
The fact that she is a fox now makes her being illusion prominent incredibly obvious ahahahah
Watching this and knowing what we do now....wait...Holy shit, I think you're right
I am referring to what we know about that happened to Strelitzia from Ventus' account. If he is telling the truth then Ava/Darkness killed her then gave Ventus the book. Ava/Darkness might have found out how the MoM is planning to give everyone the Keyblade war amnesia wipe, and does the same to Ventus, to erase that one memory.
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I'm going to be honest with you people: when i saw the thumbnail, i immediatly thought *D A R K N E S S*
It's interesting that Ava calls herself "Darkness" she could have chosen any alias but she chose this in specific, I believe that she must have realised what was going on, that she is the reason why the Keyblade War begin, she must feel guilty hence calling herself "Darkness" aka the reason of the end of the world.
I'm really interested to know what role will she have in future games, if the whole "The foretelers are the villains of the next arc" thing is true then she might be the one to side with Sora and crew, which will be the way that they will learn about the OG Keyblade War and probably know more about Ventus. Really excited to see what Nomura pulls for the next game. The man caught me in a loophole.
Great editing! Subbed!
I always hoping for the one that suddenly revealed that Sora was Ava little brother or Ava's lost apprentice or something like that... But being a darkness & a traitor could be possibble as well...😄
If Ava can be disguised as a union leader. Wouldn't it make sense if she disguised as Luxu in the Union x when he was talking to Brain in the ark chamber? It could make sense. Since he did say if Brain can be at two places at once. But then where did he get the box. Luxu did say he lost track of it but knows it hidden. Guess we have to wait until Missing Link is out.
Strelitzia died before the war started
Before ava learned the truth
But nice theory 👍
I don't think so? Ava and Luxu's confrontation appears to be taking place during the same time that Player and Skuld meet with Gula in that same building. It's after they're in there that Strelitzia's Chirithy tells her that he saw Player go in there. So Strelitzia went in after Player Skuld and Gula already left, so it must have been after Luxu and Ava's confrontation. Does that make sense?
I would beg to ask though, why was Ava minipulating Ventus and why did she or Ventus darkness eliminate Steriliza? Did she know something that she wasn't supposed to tell the other Dandelions?
Cause she is darkness
I think Ava kill Marluxia sister to get the book to stop her Master.
What if Ava’s the one who introduces darkness to Xehanort 🤔🤔
I thought Ava was that girl Ansem the Wise found and experimented on. Isa and Lea snuck in and met her. Ansem said she wore armor and spoke with ancient words or something.
Damm, that was SICK! Congrats, I really bought this theory o_O
Exellent edition!! Super fluid, interesting to watch, simple and clean. I'm not sure about the part of being working with Brain, because it doesnt't make sense that Ava recruit Strellitzia to be a union leader if she was going to kill her anyway.
But for all means, you made an excellent work. I will wait impatiently for the next theory. Thank you so much for your excellent work, and congratulations from Spain!!
Another great video, as usual! I love reading your theories, but there's something very satisfying in your presentation of them here, too. Though, while I like that you jump straight to the point of the video, I do feel like some sort of preface would be nice for certain characters? Especially when it comes to talking about the mobile game just because its story isn't as known/accessible to people. Just like, a quick run off of who Darkness is, or just some tiny intro in the beginning of the video so its easier to slide into it as a whole. Not really sure if I'm making sense haha it's more a flow thing I guess. Also is Darkness the character that killed Strelitizia or is that separate? Either way I really loved watching this, keep up the good work!
Yeah I see your point LOL. I'm trying really hard to avoid super long intros, so maybe I can practice balancing a short and effective introduction. I guess my train of thought for this video was "why would they watch a video on Darkness if they don't even know who that is" but I realize now that's not a fair train of thought- I should quickly explain anyway.
And I actually purposely left out if Darkness killed Strelitizia because it really could be either of the two- them or Brain. Brain I would say has the more evidence, but only because we know more about him in general, if we learn more about Darkness I'm sure they'll be more suspicious as well. Either way though, it doesn't look good for either of them 😬
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In Japanese, the word used for their "roles" is 使命 (shimei, 'mission/errand'). In the epilogue, Xigbar uses 使命 to refer both to his "role" and to Ava's "mission."
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Though there is a lot of evidence for Ava to be Darkness, I'm still not personally convinced. I need to see more of Darkness to determine what exactly they're doing or trying to accomplish.
However, there is a minor piece of evidence against Ava being Darkness, and that is Darkness's Japanese patterns of speech--specifically, Darkness uses the masculine pronoun 俺 (ore) rather than the neutral/feminine 私 (watashi) that Ava uses.
Obviously this is something that can't be directly translated so it's a facet of the mystery most Western fans won't pick up on.
It's possible Ava could change her pronoun/speech patterns to disguise herself further, but I doubt it.
Those foreboding yellow eyes on Ava's mask make this theory even more valid
After the most recent keyblade war event....one thing is for sure. Ava is definitely looking like the traitor. So your theory is starting to look really good. The lost page definitely aligns with what she has done up to that point in the story.
But now im not so sure Ava is the only traitor because in a conversation Gula had with Ava, he tells her that the lost page doesnt explain much except that it is the person who bears the sigil. And we know Ava does not have any sigils (that we can see at least). Meanwhile, Luxu (who does have an x in his name) was not suppose to interfere and was told to simply watch (yet he fights with Ava). Im starting to think that its not just one traitor but rather two. Unless Normura changed his mind about the usage of the sigil and is instead going to give us hints by revealing the lost page over time.
Hi! I don't know if the comment appeared for you because of algorithms, but I did make a comment of frequent points and my replies to them, and the sigil was one of them. Basically in the comment, I said that the sigil is called the Recusant Sigil, and a recusant by definition is "someone who refuses to comply with authority or regulations." So, for me, if Ava really is a traitor and decides to take things into her own hands, then that by definition makes her a recusant. And I also said that with taking the letter X into account, yeah, we can think it's talking about Luxu. But reading his mental thoughts in his Observation Reports, it seems everything he's doing (even at the end of KH3) is out of loyalty to the MoM and to the other apprentices. Luxu never displays any signs of betraying them. I could be wrong, but that's my thought process :)
No way...I literally had goosebumps from this theory because not only does it make sense but it also showcases immense attention to detail that you have beautifully demonstrated, very well done
Also you’re editing encompasses the soul of your theory which I love so much it’s the best I have seen in awhile keep it up!!!
=Master of Master's being Darkness itself, and a final test of the Foretellers, that MoM knew would fail but then tested everyone yet to come= to see who would be worthy of the X-Blade or Kingdom Hearts itself. (???) Maybe
Ah Lady Ava was the traitor. She was my union leader and waifu. I feel hurt...
Good theory and support.
There were only a few people who Luxu could say to her is the identity of the traitor that would make her attack him like that, one of them was Ava herself, so I had my suspicions
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This just made me think, what if Ava is the voice in the darkness that leads Sora through the beginning of each Kingdom Hearts game? You can only read the voice, but it seems to fit thematically with Ava's role of training new Keyblade wielders, as well as her been a kind person who would want to help Sora and other people out. Helping Sora could be the mission that Luxu (Xigbar) mentions at the end of KH3, as it is the ultimate catalyst of bringing the Master (MoM) back to finally confront him.
Damn, from the recent screenshots it looks like Nomura's been watching theory videos. This one specifically.
Trust me he didn't get the idea from me, if it holds true, he's been planning this long before the video haha.
Darkness could be simply vanitas, at the end of the battle with vanitas in kingdom hearts 3 he says clearly: "i am darkness".
I know this is simply, but maybe the right thing is the most simple, i believe vanitas is a secret apprentiece of the mom, they all have a name of a deadly sin except for superb or vanitas... There are similar words.
Great theory! But what about the line saying that the traitor bears the Sigil in Back Cover?
Hi! I'm not sure if you can find it easily cause the algorithm for comments is always strange, but if you can find my comment where I address FAQs, I talk about that there :)
@@TheSecretReports Oh, thank you! I found it by digging a bit. :)
About your answer: maybe the Recusant's Sigil is to be taken literally? Both MoM and Luxu have this on their zippers: i.redd.it/yyomzijwr8411.jpg
It would then feed into the theory that MoM is the traitor by making everybody fight.
I also read an interesting (albeit unsubstantiated) theory in the TH-cam comments today (by commenter Emanuele Ciralli) that each and every one of the Foretellers could correspond to parts of the prophecy: "Unable to permit disharmony (Invi), you will be disappointed by faith (Ira), and lose sight of true strength (Aced)... Misreading the truth (Gula), you will venture forth in secrecy (Ava)." Which could also both mean that they're all the traitors or that there's no traitor except for MoM playing up to their flaws.
So I'm still unsure about Ava. Others broke the rules too, like Gula who wanted to summon Kingdom Hearts to make MoM come back. And if the Nightmare Chirithy was the Player's all along, MoM still provided them with the bangles and knew that this NC would get the Foretellers to doubt themselves.
Came back from Everglow's translation video for mission 925...this seems more, or perhaps less, plausible that Ava is Darkness.
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That’s an amazing theory, the most convincing one so far it just makes a whole lot of sense(which is something KH is not too well known for lol). I feel with all my heart that this next arc is going to be Nomura’s chance to prove himself and give us a story that blows our minds and put all the inconsistencies behind us. It’s a new era for KH and it’s going to be GOOD!
Wow this is very organized... kind of like this theory.
I always assumed Luxu was the traitor, but god damn, this video opens up a whole new path
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SecretReports, your theory is very well structured, so much so that I wish to debate and maybe discuss some events that happened this year that support your theory even more and make it more solid.
As you've already established, Ava's actions are her atempt at changing the future, but in doing so she actually deviated from the Masters intent and may have become a "traitor" in that sense. In the recent updates in KHux we already know the Master gave her a list of the names of those to be chosen as the next Foretellers, one of those names being circled in red (signifying that person would inherit the Book of Prophecies).
That in itself could be interpreted as "treason" for betraying the future. Even though her heart was in the right place, her actions might have been the cataclist of even more disaster.
In one of the updates, Darkness has a dialog with Maleficent in which it confirms to know events of the future, but not everything. That could be because at this point in time, assuming Darkness is really Ava, she was actually being honest about not knowing everything that was to come, since she didn't know how her atemp at changing the future would play out.
Because of that, I believe the theory that she is the Darkness etinty is still worth holding on to.
On another note, Braig had a recent debate with Ephemer that he doesn't believe Ava had a hand in Strelitzia's fate, and thus that event wasnt one of her atempts at changing the future, either directly or not. Even so, I think it's worth noting that her character design has a fox, which in stories usually imply someone cunning and hidding his/her true intentions, usually wanting to trick other and perform mischief.
Nomura could very well have had that in mind while creating her character and actually be a clue that even her could maybe deviate from her kind nature if she trully believes it would bring forth a brighter future.
Another point that I think reenforces your theory, of her using the alias of Darkness, again the implementation of a fox in her design. Foxes in japanese folklore, a fox Yokai more specificly, have the ability to create false illusions to hide its true self and aliciate others. With that in mind, and seeing and she had passed as Gula before, I could see Darkness trully being Ava.
Hi Gema! So while I personally am not very good when it comes to theorizing with symbolism ( like the fox for example ), I do see where you're coming from when it comes to her giving the Book of Prophecies to someone else, and how that in-and-of-itself can be seen as her defying her role. I also think that Darkness saying they haven't read *all* of the Book of Prophecies may also imply that Ava has not read the missing page that Gula received. And while Brain says he doubt Ava would do something like that, Brain also assumed they were in the real world (which we know they're not, but in a data world instead) so we know that Brain doesn't have all the details or answers to what's happening around them.
Hi SecretReporst :)
It would be so exciting if the theory, that Darkness is actually Ava, gets confirmed
@@TheSecretReports I'd like to propose a theory about something else, and dont worry I do have the evidence to back it up :)
That there is a paradox in the creation of the worlds that came after the keyblade war. Hit me up if you'd like to discuss it.
Awesome theory KH story is so deep. I have 1 question though? Do you have a theory video who killed Strelitzia? I wanna watch. And Im a sub your theory is incredible and very well explained and putting all the pieces together. Thank you.
Great job!