The Worst Possible Way To Boot Linux!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2024
- Linux allows you to do some really weird things, some things that you absolutely shouldn't do for example booting off of a cloud drive on Google Drive and somehow it actually works.
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Arch user asserting their dominance
..by the way
No but like literally, bro was like why would I do something like this? BECAUSE I CAN!
Not even close. You see the incorrect pronouns and you know it's not a real person.
@@encycl07pedia-whaht?
@@JordanPlayz158when you comment on shorts that you clicked onto from a proper video, sometimes the comments you leave on shorts get randomly dumped into the proper video's comment section.
TH-cam must know about this, but they clearly stopped caring a long time ago.
My only complaint is with it not being crazy enough, imagine not booting off onedrive for the full meme experience smh
Now you know what you need to do
NTFS Gentoo with OneDrive
How about the ping drive?
Next step: mounting / from gmail.
edit: Or better from torrents
Now boot off of the Internet Drive
( someone made an actually somewhat functional, if low capacity, drive out of the Internet itself by using ping to send a small amount of data to as many IP addresses on the internet as possible, thus storing data inside of the latency. )
please try this with Gentoo our wise sage
"They thought I'm insane. They may be right, but I succeeded."
Why do I have the sinking feeling this has inspired _at least three_ venture capital firms?
So it wasn't just me feeling like a monkey's paw just curled it's fingers, right?
Because they're the kind of people with more dollars than sense.
my nearest practical thing i can think off remote work booting, or failover when local drive fails just swap drive to regenerate?
Distributed AI LLM which boots off the blockchain.
I think the venture capital firms (and tech companies) are actually ahead of this project. I believe, this would technically be considered a "zero client" as opposed to a "thin client".
Brings in a whole new meaning to "cloud native os"
Feels like we're going back to the days of having mainframe computers.
Software company: This isn't intended to be used as [blank]
Linux users: *Hacker voice* Watch me
Hardware company: This computer can only do this much.
Demoscene programmers: Wanna bet?
Hold my (free as in) beer.
This is what Google wants Chromebooks to be
And Microsoft is probably not far behind, with a subscription version of Windows
@@paulstubbs7678 Microsoft downright denies local user accounts with latest Windows 11 installation by default. You need to open a command line and enter some commands and reboot and restart the installation process and do multiple clicks on messages trying to gaslight you into using a Windows account.
you mean slow an terrible? have they not achieved this already?
Chromebooks are Google's way of skipping the whole PC and mines your life directly.
Thin clients aimed for this for decades
Next challenge: Install Arch Linux on Mars using mirrors from Earth
this!!!!
Help Nasa and install Arch on the Voyagers.
Using Mars and the moon as RAM. With the moon being faster. Just blink a laser at the mirrors over and over and refresh your 'RAM' with the data received back.
oh THOSE kind of mirrors
Or how about a really old 300bps dial-up modem?
"We were so caught up in seeing if we could, that we never considered if we should"
Its not if we should,
its if we should show it to public
Exactly what i was thinking... It's like bringing dinosaurs back or something
Please request a quote.
Quote requested:
Quote: "LOL, don't do this."
i unironically love this. it's like they're saying "you call this dumb? you haven't seen shit, hold my beer." it's the most chaotic neutral shit i've seen in a long time.
also: booting off of a dual nvme setup using btrfs' multidisk support. what's cursed is the fact that one of those nvmes is a 2230 salvaged from a laptop with the heatsink attached using a cable tie, and the fact that the os is bloated to the point that i need this setup to get any reasonable boot times.
Remember 8-bit computers from the 1980's? You switched it on and got a BASIC prompt. They call slow-booting PCs "progress"
How do you find so much stuff to bloat Linux with?!
@@stinchjack We should go back to ROM, why booting if you can just execute code directly from the ROM.
This idea of stored program computer was a mistake, it spends 99% of the time loading things into RAM.
@@GraniteFaun Its called installing a Graphical Desktop. For ex, the latest Fedora Plasma is more heavy than Windows 7. Its funny that Linux is starting to have the same problems Windows had two decades ago. Who would have thought that most of the problems is because the thing has 20M lines of code ...
Maybe we shouldn't have systems with more than 1M lines of code.
@@monad_tcp yeah I know what you mean, though I'm using Arch with kde plasma 6 on a t460 and it's running very nice, way better than win10 which lagged like hell
I love the mindset stated by, "No one has stopped me because they want me to succeed."
Most of those problems seemed to just be because Google Drive's file system doesn't support specific features that Linux requires. The solution to this is obvious: make a regular ext4 image, store that on Google Drive, mount the Google Drive filesystem, and then mount the ext4 image off of that and use it to boot.
I know that was my first idea when I tried to boot off an external NTFS drive.
Installing Nix itself isn't an upgrade in stupid, but it _is_ one heck of an _enabler,_ making the actual upgrades in stupid a lot easier and also making them feel a lot less stupid.
that would be too easy, real chads use mount --rbind
How bout dwarfs. Isn't GDrive doesn't support writing from middle(idk the name is, you need to upload the whole thing)
installing nix in google drive is what im getting at
See nbdkit. A much more elegant solution than loopback mounts.
that would be too easy, just store a squashfs elsewhere and there you go
the SSD you were holding was very crucial
You would think so, but apparently that's just branding and marketing. Turns out a SSD isn't very crucial at all!
i had a ton of kings ssd
Actually you are missing your sun glasses. (sans sun g)
{Warning cursed idea}.
I have seen a project that converts files to youtube videos to have technically unlimited storage (A pixel is a byte sort of stuff), what if you can make it boot from a youtube video, any changes in the storage is posted in a playlist with a newly generated video as the storage.
You could also store data in pictures. This reminds me I thought once of storing files on pastebin as text.
Stenography could be done if TH-cam didn't lossy compress everything on top of your data
Or all data is encoded in tape format and stored on Spotify
with how youtube is injecting video on the current video stream its bound to be corrupted, and imagine the video is asking to click skip during boot
So if you can boot from a literal image/video, how about from a VHS tape....
That's what I love about Linux, You can have most ridiculous (borderline idiotic) idea but system will let you do it and won't try to stop You. That's freedom right there.
"Because I can and it's fun" moment
This is the greatest blog post I've seen.
I want to see it boot natively from Onedrive! Probably very similar, but the irony doesn't escape me.
Hear me out: boot Alpine from Google Drive. Load everything in RAM. Enjoy your PC. Commit changes. Power off the PC. This is the real future! /s
What if you do it from GitHub? Perhaps you could even make so each time you suspend you make a commit to GitHub and get versioning for your computers state! Totally won't backfire.
And then you can abuse branches as snapshots.
Never power off your PC, add your root to git-lfs, create a cron script to commit and push every 2h . The future of backups.
Very definition of "Linux Cloud OS" ...
"...I had to prove that I could create something harder, something better, faster, stronger."
Well, I guess 1 out of 4 isn't terrible...
Now this one is a real don't do this...
Bootring linux over IPoAC... (If you don't know what that is, look up google's april fools jokes over the years... It's Internet Protocol over Avian Carrier)
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
I think the next goal should be to boot Linux via punch cards. Heck, put the entire kernel on punch cards.
this is obviously a google engineer finding out how to make chromebooks even more reliant on the internet than they already are /s
just to let everyone know:
google is a *insert curses here* when banning and changing their tos.
me and a lot of folks use to render blender projects on google's collab. we stayed within the tos, and didn't overuse it. but then they decided to *insert more curses here* change their tos silently and then me and a lot of other folks got banned on the same hour. and because i was stupid and i thought that i was complying with their tos, i used my original account. and that got banned.
i planned to learn machine learning and i would've need colab for that. google will probably find about this too and decide to ban people left and right so anyone that's gonna test this out, don't do it in your main account.
Google Colab is just a Google drive integrated jupyter notebook. You can install jupyter on any Linux based PC.
Don't have main accouts, throw-away SMS numbers to activate google accounts are a usually $1 or $2.
This gave me an idea, as long as you can use a colab for more than 1h, and GPU computing costs $1/h on average, you can use this trick to save money, just keep burning SMS numbers and google accounts and keep using colab, until they decide to cut the hours of to less than 1h, then it won't be economically viable.
Is this cloud computing?
not until the OS is running on AWS or something like that
Well, the cloud is just somebody else’s computer, sooooo, pretty much, yeah
Almost, the BIOS/UEFI is still running the BOOTX64.EFI from the NVRAM. And there's still UEFI, someone needs to make an actual BOOTROM for a network card that downloads the actual UEFI from HTTP server and then boots the CPU from that and then downloads the BOOTX64.EFI from googledrive.
Thanks for the weekend plans BROdie
The boot partition should be on a floppy disk
It kind of was wen HDDs were too expensive for a budget PC 40 years ago.
@@Samu2010lolcatsI remember booting msdos and running windows 3.11 from nfs with a 3 1/2 floppy disk
Linux distros back in the 90's usually had two separate startup floppies... a Boot disk and a Root disk.
If your going to install a floppy drive, the you might as well install an SSD, oops we now have the requirements for a regular boot
Nah. Too modern. Cassette tape FTW. lol
Grub 3 is gonna GoogleRUB
I hate the fact that this is actually possible by making a grub driver for it 💀
I recommend ipxe, who needs grub ?
Is this a thin client? 🤔
its a zero-client
Damn kids with their fancy dial-up internets to slowly start their computers, why back in my day we had to use these "floppy" disks to slowly start the computers.
We laugh now, but wait to 10G or something, this is going to be part of the marketing
I don't know why, but I live it each time you say "but you can do it".
Okay, but can you swap Powerline for Dial-up or... Carrion Pidgeons?
Well, the pigeon part has certainly been done. A couple of guys implemented a ping operation with a pigeon going around a mountain and carrying a printed version of a ping packet that got scanned into the receiving computer. Got a ping time of something like two hours from one machine to the other.
@@Roxor128 I know about them, imagine connecting to remote drive over them ;P.
(Maybe replace printed packet with SD cards to impreove rate).
@@Roxor128 Attach an USB pen drive and you have single-package transfer of 128 GiB of data.
@@IbilisSLZ It'd be like trying to deal with Voyager 2 when it was going past Uranus.
@@Linuxdirk Also been done, back in the days when 1GB was a decent-sized flash drive. I think it was in South Africa. Pigeon vs Internet, with the pigeon winning.
good my works internet came back online just in time for Brodie's video LETS GOO
I've had the stupid idea once to dual boot windows and linux, off of the same partition. As in, the root would have the usual directories like bin/etc/home, but also directories like Windows/Program Files/Users. I did actually get this setup to boot both windows and linux, but on linux there were lots of permission issues due to ntfs not supporting unix permissions. I then later tried again with btrfs instead, but the software that makes it possible to boot windows off btrfs doesn't seem to work with the latest windows versions anymore so I scratched that idea as well (for now at least, might try again at some point in the future)
Just use windows 7, its much better than Win 11 and you have the advantage of it no longer being supported so no more annoying windows update reboots. Win-win
@hubertnnn Just make sure you never expose your Windows 7 installation to the Internet, or you will have viruses there quickly - probably before you can finish dinner.
If you need Internet access from Windows 7, at least run it in a virtual machine.
wanna try again now? ntfs3 seems to have fixed most issues, use the latest kernel ofc
@@LarsV62 Naaaaa, without windows update m$ cannot send me viruses :)
@hubertnnn True, but others are not as kind as Microsoft in that regard!
(Unless you count developments in Windows 11 as spyware...)
Now time to test the performance of the cloud providers by doing boot tests with a clean arch install!
I have to admit, one of my favorite feelings is when I am being told "you can't do that" when discussing something I am already "guilty" of.
The real problem with using Google Drive is that Google have a tendency to deprecate products and services unexpectedly which is slightly inconvenient if Google Drive is retired while you are waiting for your computer to boot.
that's a good call. Google deprecating Google Drive is to be expected, Google is not a Tech company, it doesn't make tech, Google is an AD company, it makes ads, everything that's not the Google Ad-Sense tool is going to be retired eventually.
TH-cam recommended that to me, so I added it to the watch later (a.k.a. never) list, and now Brodie has a video on it.
Cool
if they can install doom on anything that has a display you can install linux on any drive, this might even spawn some kind of new service remote drive as remote boot in the future or something
Seeing someone boot linux from google drive amazing but then i go why but still amazing but still WHY!
why not?
@@UNATCOHanka Were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should and now where here
bcuz I want to save a hundred dollars on SSD
The future cloud OS, you can boot your entire fs in anyone's machine. I don't like the sound of it, but probably this is what Microsoft is cooking.
Because the cloud is the future and obviously we need to hand over as much as possible of our lives to poor Google who just want to invade our private lives so they can help us buy crap via ads. If that's not a noble, self sacrificing cause they have, I don't know what is.
My first Linux experience was running a (downloaded with a 115kbaud modem) root floppy disk and boot it using a NFS root in some Caltech server. (I'm from Barcelona). That was in 1991 or 1992.
Painfully slow, but usable after some time if you had enogh memory.
In fact it was a popular option to try it "live". You could not download a CDROM from internet at modem speeds so there was no other way to do a quick try.
My first disk install of linux downloaded the packages from FTP because I didn't had a compatible CD.
Any day now, someone's going to run DOOM entirely on Google Drive 🤣
Linux For Everyone, more like Linux On Everything
@@BrodieRobertson HAHA, I love it!
Is Google Drive turing complete ?
Someone might be able to make it do computations.
Boot Linux from a remote server over any file transfer protocol of your choice. The underlying link is IP over carrier pigeon. The true low bandwidth, low throughput and low altitude service.
SSDs? I was thrilled back when I upgraded my 8" floppy to a 5 1/4" floppy drive.
You know, it might not be in the spirit of the task at hand, or maybe it is but... what if you implemented it as a tiered storage solution? You'd still have a local SSD, but it would be used as a local cache/buffer, rather than as an actual drive. That way, the PC might actually be fast, while at the same time having backup functionality being implemented natively into the file system (versioned backups even, if using gitfs)
This is actually amazing. You can access your computer, your data anywhere, from any machine that can connect to the internet.
And I am stealing the gitfs idea and mounting my /etc from github
Unless I missed a section there is an extremely obvious next step which should actually be relatively easy.
It doesn’t count as booting to the network unless it’s PXE.
😂😂😂😅, "ok you can use my computer, it takes a while to boot though."
Of course you could have another OS on a floppy and attempt to incorporate an encryption algorithm to many of the files on Google Drive to make it more secure.
I distinctly recall being able to PXE boot grub with an internet URL to an ISO and start Linux without any storage save a USB to save files to. That being said. These days, if I were to go clear routes to do Linux with, I would probably try nbdkit.
the sad part is the lack of meaninful user facing innovation in Linux, we are still stuck with the 'look, it's booting on a toaster!" mentality. Meanwhile the overall OS design is eroding more and more as it diverges from Unix, and the usability is still stuck at where it was in the 2000s.
The extra silly thing is this is mostly just missing caching logic and a more complete filesystem implementation to actually work. Network streaming of non-system software is already a thing.
I thought that it was a weird floppy disk and you were going to say: "whatever we are doing in this video is still worse". My Linux boots (from 10th try) from an external HDD btw, I promise I will some day get the internal one repaired, but not now
Would be funnier if the external HDD was using NTFS
I don't have to deal with Windows updates anymore! I can just restart! 🤣
imagine you run out of internet bandwidth when you are playing minecraft singleplayer
How long would the outro be if it ran on the Google Drive, a True Cloud Native Outro?
Now install Gnome or KDE on the cloud.
The Cloud-Native Desktop Experience™.
I bet it'll take 6 hours to boot.
This is the greatest "install Linux on everything" of all time.
So it is basically PXE, but not from a local server but a remote location? Seems reasonable and absolutely save and a good idea to do! We should base our whole infrastructure on it! We should fund this!
Honestly I've done that from a remote location through WebFAI. At least I think it was using PXE, it was a few months ago now and my memory is fuzzy.
Next in the line: Boot from "Harder Driver" th-cam.com/video/JcJSW7Rprio/w-d-xo.html
Linux on everything, let's go!
I remember seeing ads trying to sell all kinds of bogus "Solutions" to expand the size of, or drastically speed up RAM, none being for RAM modules, and you know millions were falling for it, and they were selling, because so many others joined in to do it shortly after the first such add. Of course thanks to people who knew that it wasn't even possible (as described) writing articles and making videos about it, they all disappeared. Now just about everything is at minimum a little scamy!
I guess Sun was right: the network is the computer
But I really wish they also added some ipxe.
But the real deal is actually: booting of IPFS, fully decentralized storage.
i how some people are this genius to get stuff like this running. absolutely incredible!
Naa, running the system off a public git repo! Imagine Public History for every file,
Aka Microsoft recall
Basically embedded snapshots as you could revert a commit whenever anything breaks
only thing this is missing is booting from the network over PXE, without the use of a USB drive with an init binary
I have independently come up with something that sounds superficially similar to this but have used nfs for it.
Had to create a pxe boot that let you select a few options and then built an os with an immutable root that included those selected things and dd-ed it to the machine you booted from. It was an absolute utter monstrosity, but it worked with enough tape and prayers.
I doubt it was this elaborate, but in high school the VMs we worked on were delivered to the workstations via MSSQL partial replication.
The correct way to do that would be to write a grub module that can download a kernel from a GDrive and also create a kernel module that integrates FUSE in the kernel (yes, I'm aware of the contradiction) with fuse-gdrive (that will need to be rewritten from scratch as it isn't currently written in C) and set it to load your initrd from the GDrive.
I was expecting use of bios network boot as well...
you could write a googledrive client for UEFI so you can boot bootloader, kernel and initramfs from the cloud as well 😅
1:21 a crazy computer scientist would say : why not !
Now I want to patch gitfs for THIS
I'm missing Avian Carrier Pigeons for 3D routing.
if links are the problem, it might be worth it to pack the root into a squashfs, and then mount a regular ass folder as the flatpak folder.
And then you can only use flatpak apps.
5:30 No, they started up a VM. You can't test this stuff in a container since those don't go through the early boot process at all.
Doesn't gnu pxe-boot support booting off http? Do you need fuse before the ramdisk?
I think I just thought of a way to make it much better:
On the google drive place a bytewise image of the harddrive.
Also make the file structure as a bunch of empty directories.
Install the layered file system of your choice.
Loop back mount the two things on the google drive and then united them together and chroot onto the result.
Do you agree this better?
Thats just the next chromebook
Thanks, bro.
I thought I'm daydreaming than I saw this.
I think the next step has to be getting a deskton environment installed and running on it
That Arch user has plenty of free time!
I imagine this would make an interesting prank.
Chroot can NOT replace switch root. Chroot had some serious security vulnerabilities, leading to them blocking important things for software to function. For example user namespaces are banned in chroots -> steam will NEVER tun on it
I booted off not too nearby HTTPS servers before. Well, the iPXE was on local storage.
And PXE to TFTP the iPXE for an NFS boot? Yeah, how else do you install the OS for your cluster?
I boot off a small nvme, then i use lvm on the additional space for / and put another disk on /. Have a different disk for /home too
I would like to see performance benchmarks of this monstrosity :) Systemd had something like this.
booting linux from the router and accesing it from the google drive linux using SSH call me insane i use arch BTW and i need help
Way to use 400% of your CPU. Running FUSE is not great when it's running off the internet. Better set NoAtime.
Also what if you wrote a NBD driver to connect to google drive. Using a disk image makes sense.
And then Google started to inject intrusive and '''''personalised'''''' adverts in Linux thanks to Google Drive's spying AI technology 😂😂😂
I thought of booting Arch (virtualized with QEMU+KVM) from a virtiofs partition, but haven't yet. That's not as crasy as booting from GD, but also interesting (IMO)
i have been using the same hard drive as my boot disk for 7 years. before that, it was my mother's windows boot disk for 19 years 😅
okay which one of you guys started working on a gitfs boot drive after watching this video?
Well, another round for developers to run Doom on Google Drive
i am using spinning rust yes on arch btw
Just curious, but on what medium was his initramfs stored?
Mounting Google 🤣
*I want to use google colab as GPU for my influx graphic & AI needs , can I do it? and How?*