In hindsight, the raptors are so fortunate that Kawhi didn't want to stay in Toronto long term... Had Kawhi wanted to stay in Toronto, Toronto would probably still be paying max money to a guy that can barely ever play.. Toronto got their championship out of him & immediately got him out of there before his body completely gave out
Shout out to Bones Hyland. Complaining about being Jamal Murray's backup, forcing the Nuggets to trade him off their championship roster, just to not play on the Clippers 😭
Reminds me of Kenny Pickett who was gonna backup Russell Wilson in Pittsburg after Wilson signed a 1 year deal but after complaining he got sent to the Eagles who have a QB who’s 10 years younger better and under contract for multiple years
Heres another interesting one for ya. Does anyone remember Eric Bledsoe on the Milwaukee Bucks. I know he wasn't an all star or anything, but he was traded for Jrue Holiday and the Bucks won the championship the next year.
The way I smiled to see Marcus Smart in here. Still can’t believe they didn’t give him a ring. Spending almost 10 seasons coming so close through everything…. He definitely deserved one. Great video bro.
Yeah even as a non-Celtics fan, it was def weird seeing them win without him being there after going to battle in Boston all those years. I appreciate the love 🤝
Doesn’t deserve a ring, didn’t contribute to the championship and held the celtics back offensively. Brad stevens relegated him to ONLY green lit corner threes and he still chucked those deep wing threes until they got rid of him. 10 seasons of non championship ball really don’t matter to an organization like the Celtics when you’re just not good enough to get the job done.
@@jacobveryberrythis is such a dumb comment because Marcus Smart was easily the most intelligent player on the Celtics during his time there. Just because he was a below average shooter doesn’t mean that he couldn’t contribute offensively. In his DPOY year the Celtics were almost 10 points better than league average in net rating and he had a +5 on-off which is very good for a medium-usage player. Their most productive lineups all featured Smart. If you can understand what makes Draymond an all time great role player then you should be able to understand just how important Smart was to the Cs ability to contend. This doesn’t even factor in the off-the-court contributions he made to the team. There isn’t a single Boston fan who thinks Smart didn’t do shit to not deserve a ring. If Miami isn’t randomly lights-out shooting the ball for 90% of a postseason he’s a 2x NBA Finalist
@@kama6592a lot of ppl get mad at me when I say this shit, but Marcus did prevent us from taking that next step a *lot* of times. It is not coincidental that we won the year he left. Undoubtedly he’s one of the premier defenders of this era. But he shoots less than 40% in elimination games and less than 30% from 3 while still acting like an elite level shooter. The Miami elim game he took 22 shots, the Brooklyn loss he took 17. Why on Earth, on a team w so many offensive options as the Celtics, is a less than 40% shooter taking 22 shots. And he was bringing the ball up…Marcus and IT were both our sacrificial lambs but we were not going all the way with either one unfortunately
@@kama6592he was their most intelligent player? Turnover percentage I’ll adviced early shotclock attempts etc say otherwise… I’d give that title to d white as soon as they got him
I know that most people will feel really bad for Demar, and rightfully so. He was the face of that franchise. But as someone whos always liked the Celtics, I feel worse for Marcus. He fully embodied Celtics basketball and always put his body on the line for the team. Seeing him in the 2022 finals with green hair makes me sad cuz he was so proud to be apart of that team. He deserves that ring as much as anyone on that team
Something to be said for players that don't get traded, but go from a prominent role to a bench/backseat one, which leads to noticeable success. David Lee went from 31 MPG to just 8 in the playoffs for the 2014 and championship 2015 Warriors, with Draymond completely replacing him, and sparking the true core of a dynasty.
As a Canadian that lives close to Toronto , I remember more than losing Demar for Kawhi, I think the mid season trade of Jonas Valanciunas for Marc Gasol was HUGE in people including myself, really seeing the potential in the team AFTER already acquiring Kawhi and Danny Green
This. Trading for Marc Gasol was a huge boost to their paint defense as he was a big part of the wall defense against Giannis and especially his defense alone against Embiid.
@@shamsielshahar120 yeah I wasn’t convinced that they could go super far in the playoffs before that, I just figured they’d be a little better than the year before or pretty much the same. But once Gasol joined I was much more convinced at this team being a force in the east
That's why you shouldn't be loyal to a franchise. Time they see they can replace you, you will be gone in a fingersnap. Get your money, and if you see a better opportunity for yourself, take it.
As a Grizz fan im super happy to have Smart. His presence is already making us better and, given better luck with injuries, we cannot be counted out of any playoff game
Monta was so underrated in Golden State man. The West was so stacked at that time, he was def snubbed for a couple All-Star games. I'm a Pacers fan so when he eventually got to Indy, he had unfortunately seen better days in the league by then lmao
@ he was definitely snubbed, one of the greats before our run. The moped incident was a mark on his legacy here but he was still a bucket after that. I wish he would’ve dropped his ego & came back home for a ring. Loved watching him play even after he left and played for y’all, the Mavs & Bucks
Commenting to get you some more traction. I was thinking about this topic the other day, specifically Dantley and DeMar DeRozan. Great for the franchise, but sad for them.
it took a couple seasons, but you could maybe slot Dennis Rodman on the Spurs into this category. Funny thing is, he ended up winning championships on his new team
@@nirpeled7340 it's funny because MJ fought the Oakley move tooth and nail. Even threatened to retire. History would have turned out very different if Jerry Krause had appeased him.
Otis Thorpe sort of lines up with the criteria, with the considerable exception that he actually helped lead the 93-94 Rockets to a chip. He was a core piece of that first Rockets Finals run and an All-Star in years prior. But then, when the team was struggling in 94-95, the Rockets smartly shipped him off to Portland to pick up an aging Clyde Drexler. Despite being around .500 at the time of the trade, the Rockets limped into the playoffs as the sixth seed and endured a gauntlet of 90s Western Conference behemoths (Stockton/Malone Jazz, Barkley Suns, Robinson Spurs) en route to sweeping the Shaq/Penny Magic in the Finals. And trading Thorpe was the primary reason they were able to repeat.
The a former resident of Toronto , I remembered when the Raptors franchise started I saw Damon , Carter and Bosh come through and Dip when things got hard. Demar wanted to stay and would have played out his career here , I still feel we did him dirty.
Lol i with ya man. Love Demar n Lowry put in alot of time but winning matters n Kaw went n got that ring. I honestly don't think Toronto gets that ring without Kaw
I think it also must hurt even more for adrian dantley, in the fact he got traded to the jazz from the lakers, right before the lakers win a championship.
I remember when Cedric Maxwell, the 1984 Finals MVP, being traded a year lader for Bill Walton. The result was, perhaps, the greatest of all Celtic teams in 1985-86. (and, yes, I understand this doesn't fit in with your them of teams making a move to "finally" win it all.)
Imagine my man Klay Thompson being in this list.. (*although KT wasn't traded, and we'll see if and when GSW wins again) Not to forget the other sacrificial lambs of GSW: Monta Ellis, Andrew Bogut, David Lee, Harrison Barnes, (man, even at one point, Andrew Iguodala) Still 💙💙 KT
celtics did it twice in last 10 years. the smart trade and the isaiah thomas trade. only the latter one couldn't bring the championship to the franchise.
No way. Can’t make this video without Eddie Jones. Lakers traded him because they had Kobe. They 3 peat He goes to the Heat and mentors dwyane wade gets traded the season they win chip and then comes back the next season. He was the perfect 3&D playmaker, a volume shooter extremely athletic and a mentor to both Kobe & Dwyane. Taught Kobe how to stay attached on pin down screens. Was an all star in LAL and got traded for glen rice when they won the first chip. I think they should’ve kept him bc glen rice was a 1 year rental and washed after and i feel like they lost that trade. It would be crazy is they kept both Eddie Jones and Kobe bc that’s when Kobe started making all defense teams and Eddie Jones was as well and underrated shutdown guard. One of my favorite players
That's a great pull! It's funny you mention Eddie Jones, I recommend reading Three Ring Circus by Jeff Pearlman about the early 2000s Lakers. He goes into a lot of detail about that trade and talks about Kobe and Eddie's relationship. There's a really good section on Eddie Jones in that book, learned a lot about his college career at Temple and his time with the Lakers
Yep, it was a deal that involved Brown and potentially Marcus Smart actually but the Spurs didn't wanna rebuild right away and thought they could continue winning with Demar
Monta was actually originally in my script for this video but I ended up not including him since the Warriors didn't win the championship until 3 years after they traded him. But in the grand scheme of things, he does fit this concept. The Ellis trade planted the seeds for the dynasty
Smart's dpoy is the most fraudulent award ever given Bam and Gobert had more impactful defensive seasons and even Robert Williams was statistically the most impactful defensive player for that Celtics team but I guess propaganda and agendas had to be pushed and the league decided to give that guy the DPOY
Marcus smart wasn’t a sacrificial lamb. He was a liability holding the team back from winning championship basketball, and Jrue was a proven winner. Simple as that
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In hindsight, the raptors are so fortunate that Kawhi didn't want to stay in Toronto long term... Had Kawhi wanted to stay in Toronto, Toronto would probably still be paying max money to a guy that can barely ever play.. Toronto got their championship out of him & immediately got him out of there before his body completely gave out
Facts
You not lying bro
They ain’t get rid of him he ain’t decide to come back
Nah the raptors could’ve easily repeated if he stayed
Nah they were a 2 seed without him, if Kawhi is there he just has to be healthy for the playoffs and they get another chip
Shout out to Bones Hyland. Complaining about being Jamal Murray's backup, forcing the Nuggets to trade him off their championship roster, just to not play on the Clippers 😭
I really thought Bones was gonna be a nice piece for Denver for a while but I guess you gotta be careful what you wish for lol
Reminds me of Kenny Pickett who was gonna backup Russell Wilson in Pittsburg after Wilson signed a 1 year deal but after complaining he got sent to the Eagles who have a QB who’s 10 years younger better and under contract for multiple years
@@SnuggieMaple He just wanted to go back home to his mommy in Philly
there a high chance Bone Hyland gonna be out of the league after this season
@@jhank0cean And that cost him starting ever again
Heres another interesting one for ya. Does anyone remember Eric Bledsoe on the Milwaukee Bucks. I know he wasn't an all star or anything, but he was traded for Jrue Holiday and the Bucks won the championship the next year.
I completely forgot about Bledsoe being thrown in the Jrue deal! The Bucks really fleeced in hindsight, that deal ended up being so lopsided
Yup Drew Bledsoe was killing the Bucks offense. Having 2 non-shooters - Giannis and Drew Bledsoe - made their offense predictable.
@@jimmywalker8354Eric Bledsoe… Drew Bledsoe is the New England Patriots Legend. lol
@@honeybuns945 It's a reference to Terry Rozier's comments
@@jimmywalker8354 HAHAHAHAHA I VAGUELY REMEMBER WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT! LEGIT UNLOCKED A MEMORY 💀💀
i will always respect derozan. no demar no title.
Obviously.
He was the player traded for kawhi.
The way I smiled to see Marcus Smart in here. Still can’t believe they didn’t give him a ring. Spending almost 10 seasons coming so close through everything…. He definitely deserved one. Great video bro.
Yeah even as a non-Celtics fan, it was def weird seeing them win without him being there after going to battle in Boston all those years. I appreciate the love 🤝
Doesn’t deserve a ring, didn’t contribute to the championship and held the celtics back offensively. Brad stevens relegated him to ONLY green lit corner threes and he still chucked those deep wing threes until they got rid of him. 10 seasons of non championship ball really don’t matter to an organization like the Celtics when you’re just not good enough to get the job done.
@@jacobveryberrythis is such a dumb comment because Marcus Smart was easily the most intelligent player on the Celtics during his time there. Just because he was a below average shooter doesn’t mean that he couldn’t contribute offensively. In his DPOY year the Celtics were almost 10 points better than league average in net rating and he had a +5 on-off which is very good for a medium-usage player. Their most productive lineups all featured Smart. If you can understand what makes Draymond an all time great role player then you should be able to understand just how important Smart was to the Cs ability to contend. This doesn’t even factor in the off-the-court contributions he made to the team. There isn’t a single Boston fan who thinks Smart didn’t do shit to not deserve a ring. If Miami isn’t randomly lights-out shooting the ball for 90% of a postseason he’s a 2x NBA Finalist
@@kama6592a lot of ppl get mad at me when I say this shit, but Marcus did prevent us from taking that next step a *lot* of times. It is not coincidental that we won the year he left. Undoubtedly he’s one of the premier defenders of this era. But he shoots less than 40% in elimination games and less than 30% from 3 while still acting like an elite level shooter. The Miami elim game he took 22 shots, the Brooklyn loss he took 17. Why on Earth, on a team w so many offensive options as the Celtics, is a less than 40% shooter taking 22 shots. And he was bringing the ball up…Marcus and IT were both our sacrificial lambs but we were not going all the way with either one unfortunately
@@kama6592he was their most intelligent player? Turnover percentage I’ll adviced early shotclock attempts etc say otherwise… I’d give that title to d white as soon as they got him
I know that most people will feel really bad for Demar, and rightfully so. He was the face of that franchise. But as someone whos always liked the Celtics, I feel worse for Marcus. He fully embodied Celtics basketball and always put his body on the line for the team. Seeing him in the 2022 finals with green hair makes me sad cuz he was so proud to be apart of that team. He deserves that ring as much as anyone on that team
Something to be said for players that don't get traded, but go from a prominent role to a bench/backseat one, which leads to noticeable success. David Lee went from 31 MPG to just 8 in the playoffs for the 2014 and championship 2015 Warriors, with Draymond completely replacing him, and sparking the true core of a dynasty.
Smart is one of my favorite players ever. Seeing him being traded away after 2 impressive seasons was heartbreaking
He was good defender, never impressive though
defending is half of the game and he won DPOY
It was worth it to get KP and Jrue but it’s still sad he wasn’t there for Banner 18
As a Canadian that lives close to Toronto , I remember more than losing Demar for Kawhi, I think the mid season trade of Jonas Valanciunas for Marc Gasol was HUGE in people including myself, really seeing the potential in the team AFTER already acquiring Kawhi and Danny Green
I agree big time. This aspect of the championship year doesn't get brought up enough
This. Trading for Marc Gasol was a huge boost to their paint defense as he was a big part of the wall defense against Giannis and especially his defense alone against Embiid.
@@deeboseph I remember hearing of the trade through a friend and thinking he was lying haha
“wait.. MARC GASOL??”
@@shamsielshahar120 yeah I wasn’t convinced that they could go super far in the playoffs before that, I just figured they’d be a little better than the year before or pretty much the same. But once Gasol joined I was much more convinced at this team being a force in the east
That's why you shouldn't be loyal to a franchise. Time they see they can replace you, you will be gone in a fingersnap. Get your money, and if you see a better opportunity for yourself, take it.
The days of franchise players and core pieces staying on one team for their whole careers are gone for sure
As a Grizz fan im super happy to have Smart. His presence is already making us better and, given better luck with injuries, we cannot be counted out of any playoff game
Bosh is in the mount of Raptors too
100%, Raptors Bosh was one of the best 4's in the game
As a day one Bay Area sports fan, Monta Ellis was ours 😔 love him and it hurt at the time but was necessary for the dynasty.
Monta was so underrated in Golden State man. The West was so stacked at that time, he was def snubbed for a couple All-Star games. I'm a Pacers fan so when he eventually got to Indy, he had unfortunately seen better days in the league by then lmao
@ he was definitely snubbed, one of the greats before our run. The moped incident was a mark on his legacy here but he was still a bucket after that. I wish he would’ve dropped his ego & came back home for a ring. Loved watching him play even after he left and played for y’all, the Mavs & Bucks
Commenting to get you some more traction. I was thinking about this topic the other day, specifically Dantley and DeMar DeRozan. Great for the franchise, but sad for them.
it took a couple seasons, but you could maybe slot Dennis Rodman on the Spurs into this category. Funny thing is, he ended up winning championships on his new team
The Worm is a force of nature which cannot be contained.
Grant hill leaving Detroit so we could get Ben Wallace was sad but I’m so happy we got Big Ben
The Celtics also had other sacrificial lambs; Malcolm Brogdon and Robert Williams. They got Jrue Holiday in return.
You have a great voice for this. Glad I found this channel. Subbed.
Bro thinks he’s jxmmyhighroller 💀
All jokes bro, great vid 👍🏾
Jxmmy is one of the sports content goats on here, i appreciate it man 😂
This video is better tha jxmmy content
not enough scatter plot graphs 😂
@ yeah we focus more on storytelling here 😂
Oakley is a one for the Bulls, Cartwright brought a veteran leadership and an upgrade in the center position and Grant step up to replace Oakley.
@@nirpeled7340 it's funny because MJ fought the Oakley move tooth and nail. Even threatened to retire. History would have turned out very different if Jerry Krause had appeased him.
Def a lamb..
Jrue Holiday is such a winning player, dude
im so glad people realize this, great video
David Lee and Monta Ellis. Sacrificial lambs to the eventual dynasty of the Warriors
Geoff Petrie...on blazers from 70-76...traded to hawks for strong forward Maurice Lucas, who teamed with Bill Walton for championship in 1977
U can also throw Monta for Andrew bogut as even though warriors won chips years later after the trade
Otis Thorpe sort of lines up with the criteria, with the considerable exception that he actually helped lead the 93-94 Rockets to a chip. He was a core piece of that first Rockets Finals run and an All-Star in years prior. But then, when the team was struggling in 94-95, the Rockets smartly shipped him off to Portland to pick up an aging Clyde Drexler. Despite being around .500 at the time of the trade, the Rockets limped into the playoffs as the sixth seed and endured a gauntlet of 90s Western Conference behemoths (Stockton/Malone Jazz, Barkley Suns, Robinson Spurs) en route to sweeping the Shaq/Penny Magic in the Finals. And trading Thorpe was the primary reason they were able to repeat.
Derozan should have got a ring from toronto
The a former resident of Toronto , I remembered when the Raptors franchise started I saw Damon , Carter and Bosh come through and Dip when things got hard. Demar wanted to stay and would have played out his career here , I still feel we did him dirty.
6:15 KAW is the goat everyone else fighting for second
your joking right? I love kawhi, he def top 3-4 or maybe 2 depending on how you put it but KLow def the raptor goat lol
Lol i with ya man. Love Demar n Lowry put in alot of time but winning matters n Kaw went n got that ring. I honestly don't think Toronto gets that ring without Kaw
@@jakoreyaj I don’t think they’ll ever see one again without him tbh 💯
I think it also must hurt even more for adrian dantley, in the fact he got traded to the jazz from the lakers, right before the lakers win a championship.
Really great video man!
@@Tyoxy appreciate you bro 🤝
I remember when Cedric Maxwell, the 1984 Finals MVP, being traded a year lader for Bill Walton. The result was, perhaps, the greatest of all Celtic teams in 1985-86. (and, yes, I understand this doesn't fit in with your them of teams making a move to "finally" win it all.)
Great video u just earned a new subscriber sir
@@Hustlekids welcome 🤝
W video, im subbing
Much love 🤝
Imagine my man Klay Thompson being in this list..
(*although KT wasn't traded, and we'll see if and when GSW wins again)
Not to forget the other sacrificial lambs of GSW: Monta Ellis, Andrew Bogut, David Lee, Harrison Barnes, (man, even at one point, Andrew Iguodala)
Still 💙💙 KT
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Shoutout to Eric Bledsoe
celtics did it twice in last 10 years. the smart trade and the isaiah thomas trade. only the latter one couldn't bring the championship to the franchise.
Grab a 12 team roster of these kind of players and let’s see if they can win a chip on 2k. Let me know
If I’m not mistaken, you could’ve put Nick Van Exel from the Lakers.
How about Vlade Divac? Good player for the Lakers, famously let go in the Kobe trade, which set up a dynasty.
Good video
Still waiting to see Smart's effect on the Grizz, since last season was wasted.
Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol - another sacrifice.
Eric bledsoe should be in part 2
@@Yusuf-yo1tp just might have to make a part 2 one of these days
The fact Boston got Zinger AND a first is still ridiculous.
Brad Stevens was surgical last offseason. Assembled a real juggernaut
Bro how do you talk about Toronto developing talent and not bring up Chris bosh?…crazy
keep on going i thought this video had like 500 views
Hoping we get there! 🤞🏽
2020- Ingram, Clarkson, Lonzo
I'd say Lonzo and Ingram deserve to be here
Kawhi is the greatest Raptor of All time. And Mark Aguirre should be in the Hall of Fame
Got traded there, won a championship, and dipped, all in one season. I've definitely seen some Raptors fans make the argument for him
Eric Bledsoe lol
Gary "Gary Harris" Harris
No way. Can’t make this video without Eddie Jones. Lakers traded him because they had Kobe. They 3 peat He goes to the Heat and mentors dwyane wade gets traded the season they win chip and then comes back the next season. He was the perfect 3&D playmaker, a volume shooter extremely athletic and a mentor to both Kobe & Dwyane. Taught Kobe how to stay attached on pin down screens. Was an all star in LAL and got traded for glen rice when they won the first chip. I think they should’ve kept him bc glen rice was a 1 year rental and washed after and i feel like they lost that trade. It would be crazy is they kept both Eddie Jones and Kobe bc that’s when Kobe started making all defense teams and Eddie Jones was as well and underrated shutdown guard. One of my favorite players
That's a great pull! It's funny you mention Eddie Jones, I recommend reading Three Ring Circus by Jeff Pearlman about the early 2000s Lakers. He goes into a lot of detail about that trade and talks about Kobe and Eddie's relationship. There's a really good section on Eddie Jones in that book, learned a lot about his college career at Temple and his time with the Lakers
Wait the spurs could of had Jalen brown and we chose demar that's a fireable offense
Yep, it was a deal that involved Brown and potentially Marcus Smart actually but the Spurs didn't wanna rebuild right away and thought they could continue winning with Demar
Eddie Jones and Kobe in a way even tho they were on the same team I think it was necessary for Eddie to leave so Kobe could fully blossom
Very true, Lakers won in 2000 the year after they traded Jones for Glen Rice even though Rice hated his time in LA
The Spurs trading fan favorite Malik Rose for Nazr Mohamed in 05.
Man I wish demar won with Toronto 😢
Monte Ellis
I don’t care by far the worst one is the Celtics not only With smart but even worse it what they did to it just to git mad a kyrie next
Where's the love for Chris Bosh as a Toronto Raptor?
😢
No Monta Ellis ?
Monta was actually originally in my script for this video but I ended up not including him since the Warriors didn't win the championship until 3 years after they traded him. But in the grand scheme of things, he does fit this concept. The Ellis trade planted the seeds for the dynasty
I like how you just didn't mention Chris Bosh as one of the greatest Raptors in history.😳
Monta ellis
Isaiah looks like he’s on coke after that championship after that trade
Smart's dpoy is the most fraudulent award ever given Bam and Gobert had more impactful defensive seasons and even Robert Williams was statistically the most impactful defensive player for that Celtics team but I guess propaganda and agendas had to be pushed and the league decided to give that guy the DPOY
Marcus smart wasn’t a sacrificial lamb. He was a liability holding the team back from winning championship basketball, and Jrue was a proven winner. Simple as that
LeBronze and His Damn Superteams. Selfish Little B
next is Klay
I'm hoping PG.
Clippers go on to win the championship
Would be pretty insane if the Warriors went on another championship run this season. So far, so good post-Klay this season
@@TimeConceptSports I sure hope so...Golden State vs Celtics again
@@vimana_pilotWarriors vs Cavaliers