Pro Speedrunner reacts to "The Biggest Cheating Scandal In Speedrunning History" by Karl Jobst
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ม.ค. 2021
- Cheese watches Karl Jobst's breakdown and verdict on whether Dream cheated his Minecraft RSG speedruns or not!
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He did not cheat. I know the camera doesn't show this in the run, but he was in fact eating pizza and drinking coke mid run. Somehow (and don't ask me how), the combination of the two food items were enough to naturally manipulate the RNG and give him the most favorable drop rates.
Can confirm, I was eating pizza and drinking coke when I bought my lottery tickets and I won the Powerball two times consecutively. It's just fucking science at this point.
Can confirm as well, achieved World Record times in Geometry Dash and beat The Golden in one attempt while eating pizza and coke. It's a fair thing to do in speedruns, gets you the BEST times and I highly recommend it.
@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 Agreed, I've somehow managed to beat smb1 with tas-only tricks and under 5 mins, while drinking coke and eating pizza.
I got that reference!
This is indeed true. I was playing Earthbound once and I ate a hamburger irl. It healed Ness.
18:00 Saying that cheating in speedruns "doesn't make sense because Dream is good at the game", is like stating that only amateur sports have doping issues...
If anything, being good at the game makes you feel more entitled to cheat.
@@rubyy.7374 That's a quote stolen from Karl himself.
Sports nowadays have more of a non-dopers issue.
@@xavirav3358 nowadays kids in sports need to go back to the very basics i.e. only men can play men's sports and women can play women's sports. they should start from there and once they've mastered those absolute basics of logic and common sense they can move on to more subtle issues like whether doping should be allowed.
@jhanks2012 can you go 2 minutes without thinking about trans chicks ? U freak 😂
"[High-level speedrunners] don't cheat to get a faster time;
they cheat to get a time, faster."
This needs to be on a gold plaque somewhere, maybe on the base of a marble statue.
Maybe even underneath a statue of the ABSOLUTE LEGEND himself 🤔🤔
Petition to have it modded into Mario 64's newest remake, on that silver plaque under that stone Star.
@@neoqwerty what remake?
@@lennymclennington That was a joke. I was making a joke about how Nintendo fiddled with SM64 twice already. (DS, 3D All-Star) and they're bound to re-re-rerealease it in one or two console generations. Again.
@@neoqwerty DS was a remake, 3D all-stars was a re-release with upscaled textures. If the Switch re-release is mentioned why do you not mention Wii virtual console? Does it only count because they added upscaled textures?
I get happy when Karl calls me an absolute legend
You are an absolute legend!
(Do you also get happy when an anonymous youtube account calls you a legend?)
You are an absolute legend!
(Do you get happy when an anonymous youtube account calls you a legend?)
@@CKyIe yes
@@Maverick.1018 yes
@@CKyIe Kyle is close enough to karl...
Lol sombody said that the video was played at 1.25 speed just like dreams run
lmaooo
0:44
@@bonk4225 yeah it is funny
@@santosgonzalez3443 nice one bro
@@nicholasgeere5125 thanks bro
Why don't we make a new category where the drop rates are changed to 100% just to see what kind of crazy times people can get? It can be called Dream%.
Not changed to 100%, just you can manipulate RNG
You might need obsidian or strings or fire potions
@@falquicao8331 everyone would just set them to 100% anyway, so why not just make it official
@@falquicao8331 Even then manipulating RNG in minecraft is incredibly hard as far as I know.
@@someonethatisntfunny1622 That entirely depends on what you are manipulating. Easy things like droprates are not difficult to modify, but things like world generation are much, much more complicated like you said.
I love that Cheese pretty much said the exact sentiment of the "Get a faster run, get a run faster" line right away. That shows the difference between how a couple of elite speedrunners who have felt that frustrations (and been around long enough to see previous cheating incidents) understand this situation vs. people who are just into regular gaming content where cheating happens due to a lack of skill.
Yeah, he.said it immediately after seeing Dream's reaction to 1.16 too
I'm a normal gamer but I watch speedruns and when I watched this 4 months agos or any video about it and they wondered why he would chest I thought of this line in a diffetent wording anyone's idk why I said this cause some 5 year old we'll be like who asked
I play games. For fun too. I would rather see cheaters on speedruns because they get called out faster or almost as fast as turning a picture of a random anime on your phone screen. It may take long before due to the power or technology but on games that have multiplayer cheating affects you more. It ruins your fun ruins the joy and day and 90% they wont get banned for 5 months. Back than it was the opposite for a little. Still cheating sucks
As someone said in Karl's original video "He simply started minecraft in second gear"
I thought you meant Karl Jacob's . The mr beast leech/ dream simp, lol.
@Lo Fell Don't they have a huge paper explaining it? Go and read it.
@Lo Fell And probability isn't as simple as you think (7x more lucky? The number is WAY HIGHER)
@Lo Fell you can’t just divide the amount gotten by the expected amount to get how many more times lucky you are (15%/2%) and say it’s 7x more unlikely. Nether pearl trade rates are just below 5%
Getting 100/100 heads if you flip a coin isn’t twice as lucky as getting 50/100 heads. You can get the base odds by putting the numbers into a binomial calculator. At 5% odds, the chance of getting 40 trades out of 260 is so low that some calculators can’t show it.
@Lo Fell you don't work out how unlikely something is by dividing the difference in probability...
Getting several heads in a row is mildly unlikely. But when you are rolling a dice with 49 wrong choices and 1 right choice? Getting the right one 15% of the time is incredibly suspicious and means that the die is weighted. Doing so once is luck. But consistently? Over hundreds of times rolling it?
They literally tested it, with millions of iterations, and none of them got his kind of luck when using the legit drop rates.
I know probability is hard, but just focus on that bit. They tested it. Millions and millions of times. And it did...not...happen. Not even once, not even close.
The 20 IS insanely unlikely. You can see how unlikely it is. Even if you misunderstood probability and think getting twice as many in the same number of trades is just "twice as unlikely" (it's not, as the above person pointed out, since it requires 20 more 5% rolls in your favour in the same time), even if we start from that wrong conclusion, its still twice as lucky as the luckiest run of literally billions. Is that not already suspicious to you? And then factor in the actual difference....no, it's literally not even feasible.
"Well, I actually faked it on purpose and made it as a joke"
Just as lame as claiming all as /s
HAAHAHAH
Did dream really say that? 😂
i think i ve heard it before, Dream did not said this, but i think some famous speedrunner tried this
@@ninjagaro. its meta to the dude who just tried to fake his blind speedrun. His apology was "I was merely pretending"
The funniest aspect to me is the fact that a huge meme from Dream fans is that song he sang about about how much he hates the nether update's rng. This man sang a whole song about how much he despises the rng and his fans still act like it's ridiculous to think he'd mod his game
You have to give credit to the mods, I think some people would feel intimidated by Dreams size and large fanbase and just ignore the claim of cheating by saying "We can't prove he wasn't just lucky so we can't do anything" or something. They stood their ground and took his run down, maybe this isn't something special in speedrunning mod community but I'm impressed with that integrity.
Speedrunning has been around for a long time and they are VERY adamant about keeping things right, especially after some of the more egregious cheated runs back in the day.
Goldeneye specifically had a longstanding veteran speedrunner get caught splicing a run and they outright removed all of his records as none of them could be accurately verified due to how they were captured (i.e 2000-era VHS tapes and whatnot).
The speedrunning community is honestly fantastic. If you haven't already, both Karl Jobst (the dude who made the video cheese watched) and Rwhitegoose have some fantastic videos on cheated runs, drama and other things like that in the speedrunning community.
One aspect I do NOT like about Speedrun dot com is their flipflopping over requiring live streamed runs or not
@@Arcticun rwg also got caught cheating himself didn't he? Iirc he has been quite open about it too
@@lostsanityreturned Yup, way back when he wanted to get out of speedrunning as he felt it had too much of an impact on his life.
IIRC he was around 16 - 17, he has a video regarding it I believe.
they stood their ground because they are to stupid to admit they were wrong
The crazy thing is that if he has the ability to increase the odds in the code, he could've very easily just increased the odds from 4.7% to 6% and it would have benefitted him greatly and it probably never would have been detected (which is somewhat scary to think about). But he got greedy and increased it to 15% which is pretty catchable
He could have increased the odds to 11.25% roughly and the math would have still slightly worked in his favour. It's that 3* increase that did him in.
"skips Displate ad in video"
"proceeds to ad for Displate in his own video"
The defense of “why would you cheat if you’re a top speedrunner” has got to be the worst thing at this point. There are way too many cases of top runners cheating in all sorts of games, the reason being that said runner may feel cheated out of what they believe they deserve or just want that little bit of time save to get WR.
Yeah like Karl said the better you are at a game the better you are at cheating in the game.
Paraphrasing what Karl has said in a video, playera better at their games can get away with cheating much more easily. It is why proof is extremely important at the top level of speedruns (and most other things tbf).
yeah, but... were they all famous Minecraft guy who does the funny for my 14 year old brain?
nice you understood karl's point and reiterated it!
"Why would you cheat if you're a top speedrunner?" is actually a logical fallacy, specifically a false cause fallacy in that it concludes that skilled players have no reason to cheat. It's also technically a argumentum ad verecundiam fallacy as well. This second one comes into play because the above statement is putting absolute trust in the speedrunner's morality as if it is linked to their skill and mastery of game.
“Wait people took my run seriously? I though it was obvious that the run was fake.”
Who r u quoting
Dream, probably
@@maxdavis7722 the 'blindfolded mario 64 speedrun' guy, probably.
I knew that guy was an idiot when I saw him streaming on Facebook and he was talking about making an apology video and someone said all you have to do is be honest and tell the truth.
and he said I am telling the truth it was fake from the start. I knew he was a fool right from there
Thats literally every speedrunner when they get caught and can't plead denial anymore.
Man could've consecutively won every single lottery in his life but wasted his RNG on this speedrun instead.
Consecutively would mean you multiply probabilties. The odds of winning every lottery consecutively are likely >1/10^300 (That’s like picking the right atom out of a universe similar to ours that is contained in an atom, which is contained by a universe in an atom, 4 layers deep)
@@purrplaysLE and Dream just said "bet"
That's like wasting your natural 20s on simple diplomacy rolls to flirt with the barmaid instead of critical hits against the evil archmage!
he doesn't need to, he's made bank from youtube
@@purrplaysLE consecutively doesnt always mean you multiple the probabilities but multiplying the probabilities does always mean it is consecutive/at the same time. You multiple the probabilities because they are consecutive and independent. Something can be consecutive and dependent. Also you put a greater than sign when you should have put a less than sign. Also your math is just way off there are 1600 lotteries a year in the US and hes 21 so there would be 33600 lotteries in his life and a 1/3.5 million chance to win a single lottery or 1/20 to get any prize, so it would be (1/3500000)^33600 to win every grand prize or (1/20)^33600 to win any prize, the probability of this happening is so small we consider it zero. I pulled all of this from a simple google search and I've only taken 2 stat classes in college so it might not be accurate.
Just saying hiring an "anonymous" third party sounds really sketchy.
According to Dream the third party is a professor who wanted to remain anonymous. Not forever, but for a certain amount of time. I could believe that, seeing how people would try to contact him left and right, so he’d rather wait with that until after the holidays or something
@@torrix_4595 If that was a legit professor, then man Dream should get a refund because oh boy that paper. If I submitted a report like that in college, my prof would have kicked me out of the classroom lmao
@@IceFireofVoid i have not read it. Have no idea how legit it is or not. Just saying what I’ve heard
@@torrix_4595 it’s essentially a paper, a really unmotivated high school student would write up, knowing after graduation he’s just going into the family business and not pursuing his education further.
Which is funny because when people were bring up that people on reddit were proving said stats wrong. Dreams defenders were making fun of people on reddit and not the annomous professor.
Dream has talked multiple times about how he programmed certain mods to play with his friends, so without a doubt he knows how the mc code works and could easily change such stats (or has a guy do it for him).
If he ever takes the videos down you know he’s covering his tracks further!
So can everybody else thats technically advanced
@@semisolaire5866 exactly, so it isn't hard to imagine he could've gave himself an advantage this way.
@@claylanhart1154 that may be true but I still stand by what I said. I’ve seen the video and it’s very informative on explaining his challenges but also explains how he can manipulate the game. If he takes them down now the timing is just too coincidental and just him covering his tracks.
@@classicclaudia he actually showed the code to the moderators and there wasnt anu modification at all. You could also see when wss the last time he edited it if he edited it, so he didnt modify the game.
Jobst is the king. Seriously love him.
This is the only comment I see with a heart. What's your secret?
@@konstantinrokossovsky5740 it’s uh, not.
He is not the king, he is the absolute legend
why tho. he told chat not to be on his ass. as he is a legit runner.
i was like dude what. u just called him out. then in a live chat he goes. yeah people are all wrong. u just got lucky.
I don't know why, but when you reacted to "Hello you absolute legends" with "what's up babe", I fucking lost it.
28:56 Dream cheating really just turned cheese into the Joker
Society oppresses speedrunners
That doest make any sense
"We live in a society, of gamers"
I swear karl makes me interested into anything he makes a video on
Same
He is a great storyteller and writer
I'm so happy for you! At least now there will be someone enjoying his adds
@@alexgagnon379 man's gotta make money if u wanna keep hearing his magical voice talk about cheaters
@@shaunlehr2984 Seriously I get it even though I find 'em annoying, intrucive and counter productive concerning the video content. But that's just my opinion. Glad to know some people enjoy these adds 👍 if you say you also just skip the add parts in Karl's videos, i swear...
So apparently dream hired an astrophysicist to prove he was not cheating but he never stated who the astrophysicist was but he said he was from Harvard university
He hired him from a sketchy website
from that point of view i agree with not revealing the identity of the third party. is the internet we are talking about, we all know how many shit the astrophysicist is going to take from "the haters" whether the math is correct or not
I sent an email to Photoexcitation, the website he hired.
I asked them to reveal the author because we can’t blindly trust any paper on the internet. They say that the paper “was written by a Ph. D from Harvard” while providing no evidence. They told me to believe the paper because “the author is an expert”.
So basically they told me to believe fake news. If the author is not important then they are telling us to believe any bullshit on the internet as long as the person or people behind claim to be an expert in the field.
Then they started a huge argument with me through emails, that’s something a serious company will never do.
Edit: typos
@@Mingura666 Even if they did provide his credentials, it should not mean anything.
Nobody should believe someone based solely on the fact that "he is an expert" or "he is from Harvard". That's called an argument from authority and it has no scientific value.
Being "ancient", being "natural", being "popular", being "exotic", being "an expert" are fallacies that don't have their place in a scientific debate, only one things matters: the facts.
Experts make mistakes all the time, that's why in science, there is a process called peer review. When a scientist produces a paper and wants it to be published, he has to explain his entire process in great details, make it available so that anyone can try to reproduce the results and see if there is not any bias in the experiment.
If others can't reproduce the results or if experimentation bias is found, the paper can't be published.
In this case, the analysis done by the astrophysicist has been reviewed by many statisticians and universally criticized for containing massive errors.
Basically, he took the original analysis (which contains the naive statistic interpretation and then applies the bias correction) and applied the bias correction a second time.
@@Mingura666 Even if they did provide his credentials, it should not mean anything.
Nobody should believe someone based solely on the fact that "he is an expert" or "he is from Harvard". That's called an argument from authority and it has no scientific value.
Being "ancient", being "natural", being "popular", being "exotic", being "an expert" are fallacies that don't have their place in a scientific debate, only one things matters: the facts.
Experts make mistakes all the time, that's why in science, there is a process called peer review. When a scientist produces a paper and wants it to be published, he has to explain his entire process in great details, make it available so that anyone can try to reproduce the results and see if there is not any bias in the experiment.
If others can't reproduce the results or if experimentation bias is found, the paper can't be published.
In this case, the analysis done by the astrophysicist has been reviewed by many statisticians and universally criticized for containing massive errors.
Basically, he took the original analysis (which contains the naive statistic interpretation and then applies the bias correction) and applied the bias correction a second time.
Imagine getting a royal straight flush by randomly picking five cards.
Three times in a row.
And rolling four sixes.
1 in 20 sextillion.
HOLY
It'd be different if Dream just admitted that he cheated and moved on. Using his gullible young fanbase as a shield to avoid admitting the truth is shady AF.
is a little to late now
so glad i unsubscribed 😓
I used to be a Dream fan but I actually think its sad that a lot of people are just to ignorant to care even the other TH-camrs. Dream also was really Manipulative with his answer as well as his Tweets and he knew his Stans were gonna defend him on anything
Tbh I get the vibe most of them think he cheated, even his friends like antvenem are outright saying that. They're just trying not to burn bridges which is the smart play honestly.
Well I'm really disappointed that he cheated, I do think that the rest of his speed run are legit. And I also enjoy his other videos. So we'll I was glad that he was exposed because what he did was wrong. I don't think he deserves to be canceled.
@not tellin while i agree that could be a factor it could also be because dream is still going to have some clout even after all this so them wanting the indirect benifits they can get still being friends with him could also effect their decision.
@not tellin Yeah I think he unfollowed antvenem after his video.
@B.J theres nothing wrong with makong videos people will click on if it's not low quality or misleading imo.
Fun fact: the “Harvard” student that Dream hired made another paper after the completely bogus one he made and in the second paper, he concluded that Dream cheated. Only stans are on his side now 😂
Yeah and the stans know where Dream lives, so that that last bit is going to be literal
Yeah and the stans are so brain dead they refuse to accept it they been harassing geosquare by making fake accounts of him and making fun of him it's disgusting geosquare has already talked about his anxiety
@@DedzixYT such crybabies
@@DedzixYT Yeah I'm not even surprised. The stans will do anything to protect their idol because they just refuse to except the truth.
The sad truth here is that neither Dream or his stans will care in the end.
@@laggory and its even worse cause dream encourages this shit with his stans posts
Dream: "I don't know how to make mods"
Also dream: "Yeah I've made some mods to play with my friends"
When did he ever say "I dont know how to make mods"? he literally gives examples of how he COULDV'E modded it in his response video
@@4bidn1 in his first response paper...
th-cam.com/video/-MYw9LcLCb4/w-d-xo.html at 10:30
He makes plugins not mods. It's a different thing
@@JettPistol plugins are literally server side mods
0:35 Wait, people complain that a world class speedrunner is watching a video at 1.5x speed? :)
He's just speed running the video.
As soon as Cheese took off his glasses and said "Darling, this is where I step in," I knew I had to subscribe
I could watch him watch him all day...
Karl's vids are great. I remember a few years back when he was just "the guy who got dam agent 52" but its so wholesome to see him grow from nothing, make excellent videos and then being viewed so much
he allways was a absolute legend
At first I was ready to play devil's advocate and say that, though it's unbelievably improbable, it's still technically mathematically possible... Then I put 1 in 7,500,000,000,000 into perspective. There's roughly 7 billion people on Earth. You would need 1,000 Earths to all sit down at once to play Minecraft for 24 hours straight just for 1 single individual to naturally achieve the same result. Nah, sorry bro. You modded drop rates because you were under a lot of pressure and frustration. You ain't convincing me otherwise.
Matt Parker (Stand-up maths) Looked into Dreams odds and showed how unlikely it is to happen. He created a number he calls The ten billion human second century which means that 10 billion humans do the same thing every second for 100 years which equals 3*10^19 and no one of the 10 billion humans would get Dreams luck.
“Play game lot to play game little” is what speedrunning is
And of course, not to mention the fact that when the Geosquare asked Dream "Would you like us to hire an expert to verify our numbers?" Dream said "Nah, cause they'll be biased to whoever hires them." And what does he do? Hires his own "expert" and wouldn't you know it? He's in Dream's favor. Hmmmmmmmm...
Also Dream likes to constantly remind people how this was a 16th place run. But at the time the investigation started, it was a 4th place run, and had the seed been better and he had enough pearls, it would've been a world record. So that's the other reason people make such a big deal about this.
So basically you're saying that he didn't get the world record because of bad luck. Underneath a video about how he got too much luck.
@@veno2195 I guess? Theres just a ton of evidence to show that basically all of Dream's data doesn't add up. I think he cheated, yes.
@@veno2195 yes but he was about to get the world record from someone who hadn't cheated, if they had cheated as well who knows what the wr time would be
@@veno2195 whats funny is fura understated dreams luck his seed was from what i can tell pretty great and he was on world record pace but one of his ender pearls broke so he had to get more pearls and even after that set back got 4th place
@@veno2195 Yeah that just makes it funnier. Didn't even cheat properly lmao
*"Darling, this is when I step in."*
And just like that, I realized I made a mistake not subscribing to you when I first discovered you a couple of years ago.
That voice doe
15:24 cheese wasn't ready for this video lol
Cheese, i dont know how or why, but you are quickly becoming my favorite personality on youtube.
Professional, kind, smart and really good at what he does. He is easy to love.
@@kekke2000 literally this, him and ludwig are the kindest content creators i can think of and i find them really entertaining. plus cheese calls us babe and that’s pretty cool 😎
One of the main issues i have with Dream doing this(besides the cheating itself ofc) is that he has still not admitted to his lies. I mean , just how much do you think you can get away with after getting caught red-handed? Also, something to note is that we don't know what exactly is going on behind the scenes within Dream's circle of "friends" . The only thing we know is that for now they are supporting him, or rather claiming ignorance by not mentioning the whole situation at all.
@@nocturnaldivision yeah but if this keeps up they won't be able to just ignore it
I would say this is just Dream's problem only and no one else should get involved (unless they get involved themselves), but yeah the biggest problem is that he's not admitting anything and it makes him so much more deceiving than if he would've just told the truth.
It's like, he cheated, I can forgive that if he owned up to it. If he had said something like, "yeah. Changed it because I was sick of runs dying in the nether", most people would understand that, even though it's still shitty, and his reputation wouldn't be as sullied as it is now. But with his behavior since the allegations were first made, I'm just continually losing respect for him. He's behaving like a petulant child, and he continues to try to lie and deceive people about what actually happened. These are far more egregious than him cheating at block game.
Yea but the only person who knows if he really cheated is dream so if he actually didnt cheat why would he say he did.
@@That_Guy_Nick If he sincerely didn't cheat, why did he hire an "Astostatistics professor", and left their name out? Why is there all this evidence against him that's saying he mathematically cheated? Its not like these people want Dream to have cheated, their just bringing facts. Why is it difficult for him to bring proper evidence of him not cheating?
If Dream really didn't cheat, why is behaving this way about it? I understand the pressure, but its just making him more and more suspicious.
"Do people care about rationality?" Yes. They do. The hard work everyone else puts in to running speed runs and cheated runs are just a mockery of that hard work. Which is why this is so controversial since Dream is one of the best runners as well. But it's also ok to have an opinion with no integrity too.
You see, winning the lottery *twice* is about 4 in 10 billion, yet people repeatedly managed to do it. That's only twice! There are people with 5+ and even 7 Wins. Math would agree that it is impossible for a Human to make it, yet it's been done.
@@lolly166541 4 in 10 billion but not 1 in 20 sextillion
@@lolly166541 you realize there’s diffrent levels of lottery’s like there’s lottery’s that only sell 100-1000 tickets, it’s not always 1out of like 5 million
@Lo Fell Because it is way out the expected range of the pearl drop variance, with dream's being out of the 99th percentile of that range. Also, the 7.5 trillion chance is the possibility of any runner getting that many lucky runs in a row since he got that luck consistently across the six streams he did after he took a break from 1.16.
@Lo Fell The mod team made a paper explaining their method. Go and read it.
The 5Head take was to say he accidentally left the boosted rates on for when he does his TH-cam content to make the videos more appealing to his audience
Actually that's pretty fair, if he just said that and admitted to it, if that's what he actually did, then we wouldnt hate him atm
Honestly, that's the first thing I thought of. If he boosted the rates for his manhunts so the nether didn't take as long
If that was the case and he was honest, he would have immediately removed the run and explain that he changes the drop rate for his videos and messed up.
He didn't though, he went with it, and argued otherwise, this is not what an honest person does...
If I remember correctly, in Geosquare's video the mods did give him a chance to say exactly that. They gave him an out early into this whole drama.
Honestly this is what I think happened
Fair fucking play to the moderator team for Minecraft. They took the time out of their lives to ensure the numbers were correct. My heart goes out to them. Well done lads. Well done.
Tfw you're on world record pace and the only rng you didn't manipulate comes back to bite you
Wait till the dragon fight gets revamped
“He’s not cheating he’s just good and lucky”
*after dream gets caught*
“Calm down it’s a game who cares?”
-dream stans
The thing I find crazy is that the people who don't care about cheating in speedruns would care about cheating in actual events. I understand how they differ, but at the end of the day both are 'just a video game'. Consistency. I believe, in any competitive ladder, cheating is bad. If you're playing casuals, even if it might be ruining someone else's fun, I can give you a pass because at the end of the day everyone is just fucking around in casuals, but keep that shit away from ranked, ladders, competition, etc.
There are plenty of people that are just writing off this dream cheating stuff by saying it doesn't matter, as if they're okay with cheating occurring on any platform which is just stupid
People who say this is just a video game probably don't even make half of what dream makes in raw money and don't even realize it yet
Also I feel like Alot of the people who dismiss this as something that doesn't matter are dream fans who can't believe he cheated and just don't wanna face the reality that he did, so they hide behind not caring about the situation so they don't have to admit it
When you watched the original video, but still watch cheese’s reaction
Although I'm a big Dream fan, I'm convinced he cheated. I just hope he fesses up and tells the truth; at least then he can maintain some of his dignity. I believe in redemption and hope he changes, but I'm not sure what to do besides waiting for more information to surface.
You made a good point, Cheese: content viewers will likely keep watching his content even after he's proven guilty. But the thing that he will lose is credibility and character.
I don't think so. I don't think anyone cares he's cheated. It's no joke he's talented at the game. He's entertaining. I doubt people watch him for his speed runs.
I 100% believe he cheated, and I understand why you would cheat. If he would have come out and admitted it from the start and apologized and gave his actual reasoning (tired of not having good rng) I'd still have respect for him today.
I love how the mods released what is essentially a dissertation! Props to them for taking the time research the issue as thoroughly as they could.
Plot twist: Dream was actually wearing the Millennium Puzzle because it gives you a boost in luck
Dreams ego is higher than his pearl drops
That's statistically impossible.
its higher than 15%?
It's alright Technoblade still wrecks him in pvp
@@oxstr8upgreekxo730 dude he couldnt even 10-0 smh
@@crcker3841 didn't technoblade like 23v2 or something in a big tournament
That music you were listening to was the background music for Mass Effect when you go scanning a planet for resources.
Aw man I didn't get to see his reaction to the apology before he took it down. I didn't even want to harass the guy, I had already seen the apology, I just wanted to see Cheese making fun of it and laughing at it. I understand why you took it down though. Probably the best move.
The music is perfect. I feel like Karl is the Citadel Council judging whether Dream's spectre status should be removed.
When he said darling this is where i step in and took of his glasses i told to myself yes i want his babies
Lmao
Yes but after you kidnap his children, where are you going to put them?
his luck compares to winning the lottery like 4-5 times in a row on first try (the 1 in sextillion)
How long did the maths take to figure that out?
@@Fox8ball. hardest part is gathering the data. Compiling it into a program to get a probability isnt terrible work.
@@Fox8ball. that's just simply solving the equation 2*10^22=(3.75*10^6)^n
Solve for n. It's going to be somewhere around 4 or 5 depending on what lottery you play.
i dont like it when people compare winning the lottery to this... if i buy all the lottery tickets then i am guaranteed to win... you can change the odds you have for yourself by buying more tickets. what dream did is beyond just winning the lottery. it is impossible.
@@Photek24 the assumption is based on 1 ticket for the lottery comparison.
Anakin: You underestimate my power.
The High Ground: 18:16
I need "darling, this is where I step in " as a gift sub notification
for context a sextillion is a 1 followed by 21! zero's.
it's 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000
Also, what you don't see, is he did it blindfolded, which triples ender pear drop rates and increases blaze rod drop rates by 30%.
I didn’t even need to do the math to know dream cheated. Man said in his reply “i wouldn’t even know how to modify the game that way” but uploads videos like “minecraft but the sky is lava”
I was sad hearing that Dream is cheater :(
at 12:43 you will hear a witch cackling at the beautiful potion they just brewed
Even a mathematician, who had never even played minecraft, confirmed that these numbers were so ridiculous that dream cheated 100%. He did the math.
simply put he should lose all his credibility as a speedrunner and his ability to upload any runs to any leaderboards in the future. Dream is a multi-millionaire and no one should be going out of their way to accommodate him
wait… really? i have never considered how much money he makes
Based
And what exactly has his bank balance to do with that?
That you bring that up just shows that you don't care about speedrunning, but just about drama.
I just find it sad, because I liked him and I still do. But I have to think of that everytime Im watching him.
As an aspiring Minecraft youtuber, I am somewhat dependent on Dream because he is really important to the community considering his series revived Minecraft to its former glory. But to straight up lie and then act like nothing happened really bothers me. He should at least be banned from speedrunning and all of his runs should be taken off the site too imo.
Cheating is not only extremely disrespectful to other speedrunners but also harms the community.
I think it was only his 1.16 runs that were in question. His 1.15 runs are still up
We forgetting Pewdiepie Minecraft
@@IceFireofVoid pewdiepie didn’t contribute nearly as much as Dream according to statistics. And it wasn’t just pewdiepie it was mcm too.
I just found you from these kinds of videos and I love them! Keep them up
bro whoever in the chat commented "he hired Neil "smoke da grass" Tyson is an absolute legend
Someone please clip his reaction at 13:27 and edit in the surgery on a grape footage
Cheese makes a perfect point that people dont care about how awful a human being may be as a streamer, Thats why Keemstar has an audience
10:47 "if the data WAS true" should say "if the data WERE true" ... for several reasons.
Doesn't one of moderators for Minecraft speedrun forums actually have a degree in statistics? If I were to fuck with the drop rates of any game, it certainly wouldn't be the game where one of the lead guys literally studied the subject for multiple years.
Hiring a mathematician to prove your not cheating almost proves you are cheating lol.
And that mathematician was wrong in his calculations. So much for being an Astrophysicist.
his most recent vid has millions of views. Nobody cares cheese is right
Why would people care? If you have a look, his videos about speedrunning are not even viewed as much as his normal videos. Conclusion: A lot of people are not there because of speedruns, therefore they don't need to care.
dream got a craigslist professor
After getting your videos recommend over and over again and watching your videos for 3-4 days now you finally earned my sub :)
"Darling, this is where I step in!" xD
Where is your reaction to the fake blindfolded dude's apology that you uploaded then deleted yesterday?
He has a pinned comment on the video he made about the run itself, explaining why he removed it.
I died when Cheese took off his glasses and courtly said "darlingg, this is when I step in" such a gangster
you know your shit. people dont fucking care unless they are negatively affected by the situation. alot of people are like "why isnt he trying to help me"? and its like "bc its the fucking internet and noone gives a shit"
Bruh what does this have to do with Super Mario 64? xD
Edit: I may have spoken too soon
I love these reaction-style videos! Keep them up please!
yeah these are great
I love how cheese reacted on just how serious people can get when it comes to a block game best example is the potato war of Hypixel Skyblock
18:23
You know exactly why you took off your glasses.
You did it for the sass
Keep seeing videos I've already seen haha
I'd never heard of Dream until this video. I won't go watch him, but I'm guessing a lot of people will. Kinda a bummer that doing bad things sometimes has nothing but positive effects.
Tens of millions know Dream, also this scandal certainly isent good for Dreams, millions have lost respect for him
i love videos like this because they catch me up on the drama with two videos in one
I love your videos, I started watching you yesterday and I can't stop myself from watching your videos! Keep up the good work
hello you absolute legends ^_^
Hey, you said the thing...
If dream never streamed his runs, and just submitted his best run, he wouldn’t have been caught.
@Stickamation Studio They do not :)
How did dream cheat
@Felix Co. my point is that while getting that lucky once is sketchy but possible, getting those odds consistently over many hours of attempts is nearly impossible. if dream hadn't streamed those attempts and only submitted the single run, his odds would be suspiciously good but entirely possible, and the run probably would have been accepted.
@@Seeker118 haha droptables go brrrrrrrrrr
Is that it you made it sound like he played secretly on creative mode or used a mod to make. Himself immune to damage
Luck based speedruns of a game as easily modable as Minecraft seem so stupid to me. Like the only reason they caught him was that he streamed loads with the mod active. You literally could just practice without the mod and then stream a single run with it and have an insanely unfair advantage over everyone else. No matter how lucky the run would seem there's no way you could get banned for a single run.
You’ve been killing the reaction vids recently! Thanks for the videos cheese :)
Why has no one else altered the game to prove his drop rates are doable with rng manipulation?
Yeah why not
I mean, that wouldn't do much. The basic fact that it's not possible without cheating should be enough proof
"Oh no, Im a millionaire and I cheated so I wouldn't STOP being a millionaire..... Please forgive me, cause Im a millionaire." 😂😂 You cheated kid, you deserve to NEVER be allowed to submit a time in ANY GAME for speed runs.
Because of what, exactly?
Because you, who most likely never submitted any relevant speedrun, say so?
Basically no-one ever got kicked out of the speedrun-community, because of 1 or 2 miss-steps. Not even from the game itself, let alone sr-communities of other games.
@@EngineScypex because of cheating. It demonstrates nothing but lack of skill, deception, and lying to not only individuals but also an entire community of supporters. I may not have ever submitted a clip or run, but that has nothing to do with what he has done. You approving of his actions is the reason ALL speedruns need to be submitted, because you let it slide.
@@nitro10155 First thinking, then writing. We're talking about RNG-manipulation, you're not covering your skill with that.
Lying lies in human nature, sad but true. Very few humans can claim to have never lied. And if you have more to lose, you'd more likely lie. Most people just can't understand that, because they have very little to lose.
On top of that: The current knowledge to that topic is that Dream wasn't aware his game was modded. He asked his dev to make a plugin (plugins only work server-sided on multi-player, that's not gonna be used in speedruns) and he also modded single player, unaware that Dream also does speedruns with that game-instance. Of course that could be a lie, but him only later learning about it would explain quite a few things.
You have not commited speedruns and therefore the damage Dream dealt doesn't affect you. Therefore no valid claims for you.
Last but not least: I'm not approving of his actions, I'm just being rational.
And reality is, if you'd ban anyone after 1 proven cheated submit, the speedrunning-community would barely have much players left. Especially since the community isn't that big to begin with.
Even more: How could a speedrunning-community be taken seriously then?
A valid record is a valid record, it doesn't matter if the one who achieved it stole a candy as a kid, was caught cheating in the past, has black skin, doesn't believe in the climate change or whatever.
If a community decides to ban people from submitting for everything, they can't be taken seriously anymore, because no-one knows how many 100's of people might achieved better results just weren't approved.
@EngineScypex 🤣🤣 you claiming that because I don't submit runs, means I'm INVALID, shows how much of a pathetic cheater and dream fanboy you really are. You just went on for 4 paragraphs, explaining and defending why it is ok for someone to have cheated, lied, then LIED MORE until proven to be lying and cheating by MULTIPLE people, then tried to make a boo-hoo pitty me video. Only pathetic cheaters themselves, would defend what he did. Way to expose yourself, and look like a disgusting human while doing it. 👍
Where is the reaction video of the apology video from the blindfolded run? It has been deleted....why?
Cheese pinned a comment on his original reaction video explaining that.
I agree with what Cheese was saying. The people who don't care about speedrunning, and possibly who never even watched the speedruns in question anyway, taking sides is really annoying. They bring conflict to the community that wouldn't normally be there, or at least not as prevalent as they are
I hope everyone has a wonderful 2021 and you all are legends.
"Pro Speedrunner"
Ah yes, Cheese, the guy who isn't in the speedrun community, but is pro about it.
Is this a joke? I can't tell
@@Mahfy3w The framing of the title itself makes me uncomfortable
@@tyvamakes5226 he is a pro speedrunner?
What are you implying? He achieved multiple world records over the years in the (previously) most popular game in speed running of all time, one actually at a live event, in 2020.
@@annyeong5810 I'm just saying... that using 'pro speedrunner' isn't as effective as 'WR speedrunner',
"Darling, this is where I step in...~"
Love the way you delivered that
Recently Minecravenger was caught cheating, and before this Dream himself exposed a cheater. It's a chain of "takes one to know one"