Dragon Khan Review PortAventura B&M 8 Inversion Sit Down Coaster
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- It's one of the two coasters that makes up PortAventura's incredible skyline, and though the ride is actually quite large, it feels absolutely dwarfed when compared to its next door neighbor. But how is the ride experience? Is it as good as it looks?
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One thing worth mentioning about DK is that it actually used to run faster, before the 2014 season, the ride would pass through the mcbr with no brakes. During the 2013-14 off season, the ride recieved a software update and began trimming on the mcbr.
Prior to the software update, the 2nd loop was easily the most intense part of the ride, to the point that it was essentially an upright helix.
Damn :-(
This does'nt really sound like a description of donkey kong tbh
@@broosc Lmfao
yea seems like most of the issues with are speed related
This is true and very unfortunate. I rode it in 2012 and it became my favourite coaster. But then I rode it again in 2014 (and 2017) and it was no longer the same. Everything after the MCBR is weaker now. The loop, turnaround, corkscrews and even the drop out of the midcourse. If you were sitting on the right side of the train, close to the back, you would even get a pop of airtime as the train twisted out of the MCBR. It’s a real shame
1:40 it's almost sad when one of your favourite parts of a coaster is about another one.
Oooooof
Everyone: Soooooooo B&M how many rides will have just a vertical loop after the first drop?
B&M: yes
Not Alpengeist
Seeing this now lol
Arrow did that as well
Sorry ever heard of nemesis before
PA is my home park, and yes, the trims after the second loop weren't there at the beggining. And this ride in front row is by far better than in some other row.
I experienced this summer 2019 and I sat front row and personally I enjoyed it. And no furius baco isn’t better than this at all
I was there at the end of June
It's not better or worse, it's just way more intense :3 now your opinion on which one's the best depends on your appreciation of intensity in rollercoasters (I rode furious baco 7 times when I was there, I love this thing so much)
Furious baco is my love
Yocelio the first launch was amazing as it it was really forceful but once it came out of the launch, it was just too rough. Rough and forceful are just two separate things
@danbuac1156 I found dragon Khan way rougher than furius baco
Well I rode this BEFORE the ride's MCBR slowed the train down, and I can say that the second loop and the interlocking corkscrews have INSANE intensity and pacing. For now this is one of my favorite B&M roller coasters and it's probably the one that I've ridden the most. And yes, I'd rather ride this before Shambhala even if it's also great.
This ride is the most UNDERRATED coaster in the world.
EMO I CAN FINALLY AGREE WITH YOU
@@drivesafely7390 YOOOOOO
100% agree. Shambhala is my personal favourite but Dragon Khan has been extremely underrated since Shambhala was built.
No its not, it's terrible, i got massuve neck and back pain from this one
The only B&M with 8 inversions. There are a lot of b&Ms with 7 inversions but only one with 8.
My Planer Coaster park: “imma stop you right there.”
3:06 It allows it to run three trains.
PortAventura: runs it on one train
Yep!
The Kumba fanboys are satisfied with this review.
I bet Kumba is smoother
Kumba fanbois unite!!!
Sebastian Vargas I am very satisfied
@@visionist7 Probably. Busch Gardens just keeps their coasters in better shapes than other parks.
@@failtolawl Well, everything except Gwazi, but that sacrifice was in the end worth it due to the absolute insanity that RMC is turning it into!
It’s kinda funny how there are airtime hills on shambala that are bigger than the tallest point on dragon Kahn. I feel like just that would make me not like the ride as much just looking at a b&m hyper while riding a not as great b&m
Shambala has no inversions though, and they are very different rides. It's hard to make a tall coaster with inversions and not have them be uncomfortable or too intense for the GP.
My favourite B&M sit down has always Kumba as well, till last year when we rode The Hulk at night. Wow! it was crazy intense! the second half was the first time that I actually loved it, and found it still kept that speed and hauled through the layout. Even some good airtime off the mid course. Down side, they have to do something about that on ride audio.
Yeah I go back n forth between hulk n kumba. Think I've actually decided hulk actually just edges it for me🙈
"this just isn't Kumba"
Wow, then DK must be a good ride hahahaha
r/rollercoasterjerk moment
I think we're spoiled by Florida's B&M sitdowns. Both rides are absolutely amazing and are very close to each other in my rankings, both being in my top 15. Kumba is your standard B&M sitdown/floorless, but much more intense, and Hulk is very unique and forceful with one of the best opening sequences of any coaster out there.
Andrew Lineweaver that’s right. I love Hulk and Kumba.
Taylor, great video! Can you please do a Silver Star review? Cheers!
It’s on the list!
At 3:20 you point out how the loop shreds through a previous section of track. It's cool and all but legend has it that piece of track actually means a lot more than it appears to. First of all, you may want to take a look at this pre-1995 model of how Dragon Khan was supposed to look:
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Yeah, same color and all but... The layout's completely different. That's because Dragon Khan was initially supposed to be a massive Vekoma multilooper with interlocking loops! But stakeholders (Anheuser Busch at that time, mainly) decided that Dragon Khan HAD to be a B&M Coaster presumably since it was supposed to be the park's icon for many years to come. So they got rid of some things at other parts of the park* and spent that money on a B&M sitdown that (here's the unconfirmed "legendary" part) paid tribute to its Vekoma origins by interlocking a loop with a zero-g-roll. ;)
*What was removed in order to keep the same budget was a giant mountain in the middle of the Far West area that covered parts of the log flume and of El Diablo (Mine Train):
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Additionally, and this is quite funny, they also removed a fragment of El Diablo's layout in this operation so there you have why its second lift hill literally takes you straight to the third lift hill as if something was missing in there. 😂
Wow! That's super interesting to hear, it's weird to think that right where our B&M sitdown is, would have sat a Vekoma multilooper! I bet those interlocking loops would have been breathtaking to look at though
Sometimes Dragon Khan goes a bit rough and sometimes not. But well I think it's a good ride. PortAventura is my home park, and I agree with you, this ride isn't as good as kumba and I don't know why.
Great video! I was waiting for this review!
The ride is a lot of smoother if you move yourself in the direction of the elements. Especially you should try to angle your head into each curve, like if you were a dragon flying in the air.
You're quite excellent at capturing footage of these rides. For my money this channel has the best combination of informative commentary and original footage compared to all other coaster content.
Thank you for pointing out the "threading" the track does during the layout, with the brake run going under the cobra roll and the track going through the loop. Those were nice details.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
I'm excited for more coaster reviews! Dragon Khan looks good. But I only currently have 65 credits so idk lol
Hey Taylor. I've never ridden Dragon Khan, but I'm an avid Kumba fan, and I think I can shed some light on why Kumba feels like such a special ride, and why Dragon Khan might feel like it's B&M just going through the rounds.
First, Kumba was the first.. well, a lot of things. A lot of the elements on Kumba had been done before, but not in this way, and others were world's firsts. The Cobra roll had only appeared on Vekoma Boomerangs. The Dive loop had only appeared on some Togo coasters. This is the first time those elements were designed to be perfectly smooth, forceful, well paced, and placed in the layout in an intelligent way. Of course, the loop around the lift hill was a world's first, as was the interlocking corkscrews. T
o me, all of these elements feel like they're shoehorned into B&M layouts because B&M knows they work. But for Kumba, they elements are taken with purpose. These brand new or re-engineered inversions were literally created just to fit into the layout of Kumba. The dive loop is positioned how it is so that the train can go back towards the station and do a zero-g roll over it. The Cobra roll isn't like a ride like Kraken where it turns the train in the other direction, only to go back in the same direction anyways. The Cobra roll is there so that the train can turn around to the rest of the layout. And furthermore, the Cobra Roll literally goes on both sides of the train tracks and wraps around a bridge. The inversion was MADE for Kumba.
And yes, though the MCBR hits hard and the rest of the layout is low to the ground, that's why it stays intense. The interlocking corkscrews, set right in between the entrance to the ride and the lift hill/first inversion, were literally designed to be an iconic vista for what would be the signature coaster of a theme park. All of the elements on Kumba were MADE for the coaster. And that's why it does these elements that seem generic now so perfectly.
Also, Kumba is older than Dragon Khan, and it's the first sit down looper. That's likely why the pacing is faster and the inversions are snappier and more forceful, and why the second half isn't neutered; B&M was still trying to prove themselves to the industry. And this coaster, in tandem with Batman, did just that.
Let's also acknowledge the area the coasters are in. Dragon Khan, while huge, is dwarfed by Shambhala, and the rides don't interact in any meaningful way. If anything, Shambhala diminishes the impact of Dragon Khan. In addtion, Khan is in an area by itself, with no paths in the layout.
Kumba, on the other hand, stands on its own, and is extremely loud, so it's by far the most dominant ride in Congo. In addition, Kumba is absolutely a part of this themed area. It flies over the station, wraps around a bridge, dives under the entrance path, goes directly next to the station, and then dives into a tunnel underneath it. It is visible from so many parts of the area, including the train and the rapids. Plus, every part of the ride after the loop is under tree cover. Since Florida is already tropical, the illusion of the Congo jungle is easily created with beds of flowers and canopies that create canopies, plus the mist machines that are always working in the area. Kumba has a tunnel, dives into multiple trenches, and overall interacts with its environment much more than Khan.
Finally.. Kumba was literally the first modern mega-looper.. ever. Vortex, Viper, Shockwave, and GASM existed before, but only as coathanger Arrow designs. Kumba took the concept of a huge roller coaster focusing only on inversions to the next level with modern engineering that is built to deliver whip, positive forces, speed, and a smooth tracking ride.
Also, Kumba has a final helix and Khan doesn't, and a helix makes any coaster way better. That's the nail in the coffin for Khan.
Great job 👍 your videos are so professional 👌 can watch them all day long
This was my first ever coaster and so holds a special place in my heart. I absolutely adore it.
How are people saying great video when it was released 3 minutes ago and the video is 6 minutes
They just tryna get a heart, they dont really care about the video
2x speed
@@k.olimitless723 After watching it, the video is very good but do people really need a heart
Some ride review request:
-Balder
-flying aces
-formula rossa
Some coaster fight request:
-Skyrush vs. Flying Aces
-Firebird vs Partiot (CGA)
-Dragon Kahn vs Kumba.
You don't have to do these I'm just dropping some ideas :).
Yab0i_ Christian I unfortunately have not been to Ferrari World yet, so there’s a few of those I can’t do. Whenever I ride them however, I will be sure to review them!
Taylor you were great on Coaster Bot’s stream!
Totally agree with the rating you gave it. I felt like I came off it happy to have gone on it but would not go straight back round to do it again
Whatever you feel about this coaster, it is still absolutely legendary!
Kumba has to be the best b&m along with the amazing sound! But I love the extra loop here looks amazing
Yikes. I must heavily disagree with the assessment of this coaster because I'd easily give it a 9/10 after taking 30+ rides on it in two days. (1 point taken away for the classic B&M raddle in some rows)
It's been said for quite a long time that Dragon Khan is the most intense B&M and I must certainly agree. In addition to it's extra inversion, when larger B&Ms usually have 7, they made each one of them with snap on this. That dive loop, the zero-g, cobra roll, and the corkscrews are taken at a speed which I think matches the same pace as Katun at Mirabilandia. As for the Kumba comparison, it's literally the same ride but with an extra inversion and some more g's thrown it. Sure, it's not as drawn out as it's Tampa counterpart, but it makes up for it with a non-stop layout and almost no dead moments (except for the mid-coarse).
So, sorry Coaster Studios, but you guys got this one wrong. ;/
P.S: Furius Baco isn't better than this coaster
you really seem not to understand what an opinion is xD but in my opinion, the ride was really boring. It felt really slow and lacked intensity. Where did you hear that DK is the most intense B&M tho? I think that Katun for example is way more intense, and the pacing is perfect. I mean maybe i don't like DK because i don't really care about inversions at all...
I agree I think dragon khan is more intense than kumba and I also think it's got a slightly more creative layout. I love how you just don't get a moment of peace, it's non stop inversions. I like kumba but I'd definitely take dragon khan over it
Fun fact: John wardley, the designer of great uk coasters, such as nemesis, also designed dragon khan
This is my home park, and btw, the MCBR never used to slow you down at all, and that 2nd loop was the most intense part of the ride, but around 2014-2013 the MCBR started to slow you down, so it kinda took away the intensity of that second loop, still is an amazing ride tho.
Honestly I echo everything you said. The ride for me was rather forceless and meandering. That roll was insane tho, back left seat it was amazing. The first drop gave good floater, but the rest of the ride really was meh. Even out of my only 56 coasters, it doesn't even make my top 15.
I have 56 credits too and didn't think much of Kahn. Way too rough to be enjoyable.
The only smooth ride they have is Shambhala.
@@visionist7 But like Stampida and Tomahawk actually have airtime and laterals, and FB has a good launch! DK only has a good roll!
@Long Distance Coaster Relationships Never ridden it so I cannot Say, but it'd be my number 1 if I rode it. Doesn't look top 3 RMC tho, or even top 15 on earth.
Taylor over here stirring up the quarantined coaster boys
This ride looks epic, the hulk coaster is one of my favourites so this one looks cool
Dragon Khan was my first coaster with loops. Years later I had the chance to ride Kumba and my thoughts were: same as DK but with "only" 7 inversions. I'm glad I learnt something new today. In any case I consider both rides to be amazing, I'm glad I had the chance to enjoy them both. Thanks for your video, amazing explanation!
Dragon Khan was my first ever rollercoaster, it will NEVER be dethroned. Not even Wildfire at Sweden's Kolmården knocked it off its first place.
I remember Dragon Khan to be one of the most intense and disorienting rides I've ridden. On top with Kumba, Hulk and Kraken. Last time was in 2012 so the MCBR might have ruined the second half since then but when I rode it the second part was VERY intense (the first too).
Of course it looks a little "crushed" and dwarfed by Shambhala but the view and skyline is breathtaking.
I loved that ride!
Concerning Furius Baco: sometimes the outer seats vibrate way too much to be enjoyable, sometimes not. If you're easily displeased with vibrations, choose to go for the inner seats.
i’ve only ridden dragon khan once and i personally really liked it. i have to agree, hulk’s theming is incredible and furius baco is more intense, but if anyone is watching this wondering if they should do it or not, maybe you’re a little nervous, it’s way less intense than it looks. the first minute or so is taller and more intense but the second half is not as tall and is just as fun! also i got so lucky, even though i wasn’t allowed pick my seat i was put in the back!! 🤪
Finally got to this ride myself and yeah, you're right on the money here.
I’ve been waiting so long for this review!
This was my first B&M back in ‘96,it was the only coaster in the park and in the late afternoon I had 11 rides, in every row, front was great BUT the last row was extreme! I remember in the first loop I lost my sunglasses out of the pocket of my shirt at the top and they were floating in front of me,waiting that I catch them while we’re going downwards! The 0g roll was breathtaking. Bad to hear they strengthen the breaks...
I'm watching this review of Dragon Khan while watching Star Trek II: the wrath of Khan
It almost looks like the Planet Coaster logo is on the front of the train! lol
Wildfire: Not the worst! Not the worst!
I rode this the year it opened and was stunned by how great it was. I visited again last year and unfortunately in my opinion I think it is showing it’s age. What was once a silky smooth ride has become rough. The zero G roll was actually painful and after the ride was finished I developed serious head and neck pains. Maybe a bad day? Who knows. Will be visiting again soon just to see!
I remember riding it in 1996 right after the park opened and it was pretty impressive back then. I’m pretty sure the first loop was the biggest vertical loop in the world on opening.
Also yep the mid course trims didn’t operate so the trains really flew through the drop and inversions afterwards. The corkscrews and turn around were particularly tight at higher speed.
3:55 OMG HE USED COASTER FORCE!!!!!
The “problem” are the Trim Breaks they’ve added ! This was my first B&M coaster I rode ,back in the ‘90 (95~98?)
and even the second half was breathtaking !
12 Rides in one hour before closing time,20h/8pm, no Hotels/Resort build in the park.
I wanted to go back last summer (2020) but didn’t,a new phantom of closing borders flew by… I’m Swiss 🇨🇭
Hope to visit next year.
Untill yesterday's vid i thought there would not be a Dragon Khan review. Thank god i was wrong. :)
Thank the lord, the injection of good coasters is here!
1:48 when your on Jaguar and silver bullets train passes by
To me, both Kumba and DK are pretty close. I love both rides! I rode DK many times, but Kumba only twice. I also think they are both the most beautiful B&Ms that I have seen!
I rode it 30 days ago, I quite like this coaster but it felt a bit rough for me, gave me a small headache. I've never seen anybody talk about the vibrations on this ride wich surprises me. It is not as bad as furious baco but a retrack would make me love this coaster
Dragon Khan is to Shambhala what Kraken is to Mako
I was due to be at PA last month. Shame I had to cancel both that and my trip to the Netherlands this week, but hopefully, I'll get to all the parks I missed soon!
I went October 2022 and they wouldn’t let us choose our seats and we were but in the back. It was very fun and intense but I also experienced PAIN because it is fairly rough. I think what would fix this ride is a retrack, some 90s B&Ms like Hulk at Universal IOA and Nemesis at Alton Towers have had or are having them. I think after Uncharted this year, PortAventura needs to retrack Dragon Khan.
If it helps, the reason Kumba feels better is because it’s pacing is more consistent. The first half of this is similar, if not even faster paced than Kumba, but the mid-course makes the remained of the ride much slower paced for its second half than Kumba.
Old B&M sit-down and floorless coaster layouts are so similar, I knew before you said it it would feature two interlocking corkscrews after the midcourse brake run.
Just an idea Taylor, I‘m sure many people would appreciate adding metric units in your videos as well, like Coaster Bot, for everyone else in the world :)
This coaster actually got to me--it's a great ride, but I think 8 of these 1990s B&M inversions is one or two more than I can easily take in one serving. They're all quite forceful and I came off on the edge of nausea, which almost never happens to me. Compared to Shambhala it's very intense, not messing around.
I feel like kumba integrates with the terrain a little bit more but the last time I rode it it was starting to show its age. it's possible too many people where complaining about a rattle in the second half of Dragon Khan and they strengthened the trims (a la Alpengeist).
i love this ride
i think based on photos that this ride was so much better looking when it wasn't underneath Shambhala, it had a really nice shape to it but now its just kinda a mess of track underneath the larger supports. but obviously they felt that was the best location for Shambhala so whatever
Dragon Khan actually has snappyer transitions than Kumba but I do agree Kumba is way more forcefull and intense. B&M still did a great job packing in 8 inversions in quite a compact space.
The mid-course brake run didn’t used to slow down the train, but they activated them because the g levels were too high.
By the way, I also prefer Furius Baco!
Great video!
Lijkt mij leuke achtbaan lekker eng 🎢😍❤💋
I rode Dragon Khan and I've yet to ride Kumba (despite I live about 3,000 miles closer to Kumba than Dragon Khan) and I was quite disappointed with the lack of forces as well. Granted I rode in the front only, but it felt like a typical floorless coaster.
I actually preferred this ride to Kumba because of the theming and the way it looked, but that's just me.
Layout is almost identical to Kraken at SeaWorld Orlando. Just adds an extra corkscrew at the end and isn't floorless.
Dragon khan: I better learn my bro kumbas strengthening
Furious baco : man I need to smoothen my strengths of intense
I think the reason why Kumba is better is because it takes the elements at a faster rate and the surroundings of trees and bridges makes it a great setting.
Surprised B&M didn’t make more sitdowns. Haven’t rode it yet, but Kumba at BGT looks legit.
Also somewhat surprised that this is Taylor’s favorite park in Europe. I think Energylandia will take the top spot once he visits just for the thrill aspect. Phantasialand will probably be my favorite park.
QUESTION= You know how sometimes rides only run 1 train? Think it would be nice if they are only running 1 train to turn off, or turn down, brakes in mid course.
hmm you know looking at Dragon Khun and Kumba I noticed that the number of cars on the trains is different Kumba has 8 cars per train while Dragon Khun only has 7 cars per trains and looking where the transfer track is they couldn't have it separate from the station cause the lift hill and cobra roll supports took up that space.
Maybe I'm a weird enthusiast but I actually like gracful and non intence rides more. Also the middle seat is my favorite on a couple coasters like Wonder Woman Golden Lasso Coaster or Superman Krypton Coaster. Maybe Dragon Khan is my type of ride then lol
Good video
Front row is 10 times better than anywhere else on the ride haha!
Yay, i requested this! Thank you!
That Zero G Roll looks super Whippy
Not sure if i just got a good ride on it Dragon Khan seemed to be running pretty quick with a decent amount of intensity, was on a fairly hot day though.
After riding Dragon Khan, I felt the exact same way as you, even when it came down to the score lol. I thought it was fun, but it didn't really make me feel anything and wasn't really memorable at all. I much prefer Incredible Hulk to this. I even prefer Furius Baco and Shambhala to this as well. However, I haven't ridden Kumba which i imagine is the king of sit down coasters.
I found Dragon Khan incredibly rough when I rode it, due to that it's my least favourite B&M, despite that I'd probably give it another chance, unlike Furius Baco, which I'd only ride again if it received the new Intamin restraints.
Quick tip for both rides: move your head in the direction of the elements, and make sure to avoid the seats on the sides, going for the center seats if possible.
Front row left seat is best for intensity for most of the elements IMO
That coaster would probably be more fun to ride if it wasn't for his younger-but-bigger brother towering above it xD It's just humiliating, when people ride Dragon Khan thinking "wish I could be in Shambhala right now"
I've ridden Dragon Kahn twice, never Kumba. Watched a video of Kumba : it's all about the interplay between the layout and the landscape.
I found Dragon Kahn to be intense but monotonous : once you're past the zero-G roll the ride has pretty much only positive G force without variety, and the landscaping is the same everywhere : some semi-open hills, with scattered trees here and there. And when crushed in your seat by 2~3Gs you can't distinguish the track elements so you have no idea where you are on the Dragon Kahn.
But on Kubma, you get close calls with paths, bridges, trees, a tunnel. You have a view on the double-corkscrew during the mid-course break run.
I just realized you never did individual rollercoasters reviews on the dorney parks coaster? Love to here your opinion on my home town coasters
Love too hear*
I will do some reviews of them after the next time I visit again. Its been 3 years since I went, so I feel if I reviewed them now, it wouldn't be as accurate as they could be.
Hey Taylor, can you review Behemoth and Katun? I would love to hear your thoughts on them both. Nice video!
It's a weak B&M coaster, was very rough in summer 2019, lots of headbanging through the elements. Did not feel very forceful at all, came off with a massive headache. Its an old coaster and probably needs some new trains
Is this your last favorite B&M sit-down? I have only ridden hulk and i loved it. With my credit count at just 46, Hulk is securely in my top 10.
Can you do a rewiew about joris en de draak at Efteling
Yesterday I was watching the shambhala review and was trying to find the dragon khan review
John wardly classic :)
Here is my answer to your question of why Kumba is a better and more like Coaster than Dragon Khan (other than the reasons you mentioned) and the answer is Nostalgia - think of the people who went and saw “Star Wars” or “2001: A Space Odyssey” in the Theatre when those movies had the best special effects at the time, this along with the pacing, forcefulness, iconic curved drop, loop around the lift hill, lush setting, and that Kumba doesn’t have a better/updated coaster right next door are the reasons why Kumba beats Dragon Khan👍🏻
If only B&M made one in The US. Great Video. Can’t wait for parks to open back up
Um... Kumba, Incredible Hulk, Wildfire, Zeppelin back in the day???
DrDewott correction. A coaster like Colossus With 10 or more inversions There aren’t looping coasters like that in the US
Wow looks better than Kumba and Wildfire lol
The ride is fine, it’s just overshadowed. Literally!
Really enjoyed the video! Can we have a ‘big one’ at blackpool review?
The first had of dragon khan is just a bigger first half of kraken at seaworld. Change my mind.
Jacob Collins I agree, but that’s mostly cause I don’t particularly care for Kraken haha
You said you really liked Hulk, but I didn’t really enjoy it for some reason. I wasn’t sitting in the front, so I don’t know know if where I was sitting had something to do with it, but I thought it was shaky. It was mostly in the 2nd half of the ride.
After riding Hulk again last year, I did like it more.
what was ur 200th coaster?
Poor little Dragon Khan gets dwarfed by Shambhala