Willy Tybur: "If the Walls walk even a single time, there will be nothing left but to flee in--vain--from the sound of earth-shaking footsteps that will herald our doom. These monsters will crush every city, trample every tree and flower....they will literally FLATTEN OUR WORLD!" Also Willy Tybur: "As a representative of Marley's government, I declare war upon Paradis! Help us defeat them!"
The thing is Eren was only able to save the Eldians from castration by convincing the Founder to disobey royal blood. That’s huge. The partial Rumbling plan was contingent on the idea that they could maintain control of the Founder’s power after Eren dies from the 13-year curse. But Eren’s interaction with Ymir seems to have completely changed the basis of how the Founder operates. As of now, I would say that there is no guarantee that future holders would even be able to control the Founding Titan after this, so a so-called partial Rumbling may not be feasible anymore.
Not to Mention, after a partial rumbling, the whole world would go to war with them, with twchnology being on their side, they would have to do the real rumbling eventually
I was thinking what if Eren just used the rumbling to spook everyone? He has the colossal titans walk to the shorelines of countries and just stand there before delivering his ultimatum. Leave us alone or die.
@@furiousdestroyah9999 He could use the founder’s power to have control over his successors, just like how king fritz imposed his will on the royal family. It’d be like inheriting another body kind off. Though I imagine Eren would hate this idea
me: sees steam in the distance and ground starts shaking everyone else: why you running?? me: RUMBLING, RUMBLING, ITS COMING RUMBLING, RRRUUUUUMMBLLINGGGG
All nations are culpable in Marley's invasion of Paradis because none of them fought to stop it. Considering that they risked the Rumbling not only by calling Fritz's bluff, but also by fighting in titan form near the walls, the expedition was deadly reckless, showing a callous disregard for the lives of every person on the planet. The Rumbling could have been easily prevented if those other nations besides Marley and Hizuru had sent diplomatic envoys to the island once the titans there had disappeared. Their failure to do so, alongside their thunderous applause of Tyber's declaration of war, implied very strongly that there was an active state of war, and the territorial integrity of Paradis was in extreme danger. Further, it is likely that Eren only had one shot at it. I've not read the manga so I can't say that for sure. The setup is almost exactly like the trigger for MAD in the real world. Imagine NATO declaring war on Russia, invading their territory, destroying a major city, conducting military operations in their capital, and expecting Russia not to use nukes. The difference being that, of course, NATO also has nukes, while Tybur's global alliance doesn't have their own force of titans. So they are extraordinarily stupid in addition to being insanely hateful. Gotta say, the set up was such that any reasonable person would trigger a full or nearly full scale rumbling (I would spare Hizuru myself IF I knew that I could do it again if I had to. If I couldn't, I'd have to stomp them too). Western philosophy has degraded to the point that most people are incapable of seeing that such a move was completely necessary. The scary part about that is that our general inability to see that means we risk provoking such moves ourselves. If we keep going the way we are going, nukes are going to fly. Orthodox realpolitik is famous, and they won't hesitate when the time comes. Western refusal to see it, while signalling virtue with war policy, will bring it about.
There is a reason Reiner repeatedly says “The one person who shouldn’t have that power is Eren” no one else even suggests mass genocide before Eren commits to it. Eren is the only one who would do something like that.
Why only Marley and not the Rest of the world? The united Nations decided together that they have to destroy paradis island. And in the second after they made the decision Eren made the first move. It was his only choice and it was kind of self defense. I only feel bad for the innocent people, especially the eldian.
that then begs two questions; are the people that form or live under any security alignment in response to a ready-to-deploy WMD inherently dangerous to the people outside of them? Are currently oppressed minorities dangerous? The governments outside of Marley began to form an alliance because Willy Tybur revealed the truth at the worst possible moment - knowing that Eren himself has the capacity to start The Rumbling is bound to rally every country because their governments couldn't accept such disproportionate power that could be used against them. I know how the people outside of Marley and Paradis would react if Eren only attacks the Marleyan state - they, too, wouldn't give the Eldians the benefit of doubt, given the possibility that Eren's founding titan can be inherited by somebody who only recognizes power. The real-world side effect of having an equivalent to nuclear weapons is that you become a high value target. Titan-shifting really is a curse, and it is not fair for the Eldians to encounter social barriers which strips away their dignity. Nevertheless, even the gypsy encampments are full of those voiceless refugees who were denied protection by the state. They, too, will suffer either in the hands of Marley or the wrath of Ymir. While all the solutions are shitty, I wouldn't quickly condone the actual start of The Rumbling, a weapon used primarily as a deterrent. That could only re-affirm the opposition's perception of Paradis and the security dilemma at large. I'm increasingly aligned with Malcolm X myself, yet I'd rather live with a world where every stranger gets a chance to be a real piece of shit, and so far it's grown on me.
@@Peter_Siri Honestly I would like to see some material explaining why nobody except Hizuru sent diplomats to Paradis. It would be like not having diplomatic relations with the US after it became a nuclear power. At the time there was no guarantee that Paradis would be hostile, so it would make sense to minimize that risk, even if it means setting aside pride and hatred. But only one nation would do that.
@@grugnotice7746 I'd wish there could be some more material explaining that as well. Hizuru did seem to leverage her relations with both Marley and Paradis because she was in an ideal position to do so, being a supplier of advanced anti-Titan weaponry. I wonder how Marley hasn't probed them yet while it wages war with a more tech-savvy alliance what resembles the Near East. My best guess was that because after the founding Titan was used to wipe the memories of people in the past about King Fritz' renunciation of war, only the Marleyans and Hizuru's country would know about having titan-shifters without remembering the context of the founder. That is partly why the Marleyans tend to have a xenophobic outlook on the world even after having control over much of the world's resources they still fear the possibility of any foreigner is a Titan shifter. Is it safe to say that the militaries opposing Marley would not give a damn how it handled Paradis until Willy made a public disclosure? In real-life, states tend to care primarily about the bottomline - if any country vital to its interests is shifting course or being meddled by a neighboring country, it's developments couldn't be ignored. But the human costs of these developments are seldom accounted for (think Afghanistan). Much of the West condemned Afghans for not having a leadership like in Ukraine while the Afghans condemn the entire world for how it handled or took advantage of their weakened political system. It also just so happens that most developing countries don't have nukes - perhaps we would care more if they did. Much of the world is desensitized to what happens to the people of Paradis and have other priorities. Hence, apathy is bliss until they realize that Eren has inherited the founding Titan.
@@grugnotice7746 the only reasom hizuru came into contact with paradis is because of zeke, otherwise no nation would ever come into contact with them at all except marley of course. The reason being is that everyone is content with paradis being the unknown evil, capable of destroting the world, with any slight. Other than marley which has the tybur family that's what everyone has known. I maybe wrong about specifis cause itbeen awhile but i think thats reasonable enough.
@@drakephysecron6775 That is a very good point. Paradis is perhaps at least partly to blame for failing to send delegations to other nations as well. Perhaps the only weakness of the story is the fact that nobody at all on any side ever seems to have considered diplomacy except for Hizuru.
I always laugh when people try to defend Eren's actions as "The only solution" to the Eldia/Marley conflict. If Eren ultimately wanted to save the fate of the entire island, he would have partially followed Zeke’s plan, activated a small-scale Rumbling to ward off or destroy the Global military alliance. Then build up the island technologically while strengthening their international relations by trade through the island’s resources such as Ice-Burst stone and oil, making the island the sole supplier and creating interdependence. True, it would have forced them to pass the titans down a couple of generations, but would have saved the island and the Eldians in the long run. With the possession of the Colossal titan, Paradis could have studied it further and possibly be the first to manufacture nuclear weapons, securing their safety through Mutually Assured Destruction, as the Rumbling would only be effective until nukes. Eren however, didn’t care for the island. He cared for his friends and wanted them to live a long and happy life, while also wanting to fulfil his childhood dream of exploring a vast and empty world, which would only be possible if the entire world was wiped clean through the Rumbling. This killed two birds with one stone. It was selfish, and the Rumbling legitimised every singly fear the world held of island inhabitants, ultimately sealing Paradis’ fate.
Eren didn't care about that childhood dream, dumbass. He cared that people outside the walls want nothing more than to slaughter everyone on the islands and steal his freedom.
@@galarstar052 Blame the author. He’s the one that wanted to pigeonhole the story into either “global genocide or you’ll be genocided” and thus made Armin and Hanji into total morons.
You know eren was trying to find an excuse on why he shouldn't do the rumbling. He travelled the world and met many people. The weak didnt care about the eldian devils. The strong wished to take control and destroy them. The suppressed brainwashed to believe their own people are monsters. It is all about war. Not everyone is evil but if the majority believe the eldians are evil even those that think some eldians are good people won't admit it. Because we've seen how some reactions when they learn their husband was an eldian (she killed herself and her child). The small scale rumbling may have stopped them for 50 years but eren doesn't have that time. He would only live for a few more years due to the 13 year curse. If he dies who's going to take his place who would dare to threaten and use his power to protect those he cares about. Its not the best option but the only outcome he could see occurring to protect those he cares about
Sure, but what Eren is doing would be like a country having war declared at them by several others because they are the only ones with the technology to produce and use nukes, making all others understandably scared of them, and then deciding that the best course of action is to nuke the rest of the world. War and opression are always wrong, but genociding the rest of the world to solve it will never be a good solution. If you look at it in sheer numbers, Eren is slaughering an ammount of inocent people several hundred times larger than his own country, even if we only count the children who are not old enough to understand hate as "innocent". Even if there weren't that many, Paradis had allies in countries like Hizuru and may have been able to acquire more negotiating with their natural resources as leverage. We can also see how even brainwashed Marley loyalists like Gabi can have their minds changed simply by getting to know them. The Rumbling is tragic because we see many examples of how it could have been prevented but wasn't because those making the coices weren't willing to take their chances, just like Marley's operation to retake the Founding Titan. Maybe diplomacy wouldn't have stopped the upcoming war against Paradis, but there was a chance. All they needed was the time a small scale rumbling might have bought them, but Eren wasn't willing to compromise, die and leave the future to other people because he is, and always has been, a deranged and selfish person.
@@miguelyanezlorenzo5037 There was no way diplomacy would have stopped the upcoming war against Paradis. Zeke wanted to end his race through his euthanization plan. The small-scale Rumbling they were going to use to buy time and modernize with Hizuru’s help and (hopefully) find more allies (which isn’t likely) would mean going back to the old ways of having children eat their parents and continue the cycle of Titan rule. Armin's values of diplomacy are naïve--it took a *lot* of time to only get only a *handful* of the Marleyan volunteers (like Nicolo) to stop being racist, and some of them only faked their friendship and continued to hate the “island devils” after over four years (Yelena had to shoot Griez in Season 4 Part 2 to shut him up, if you remember.) Gabi herself had to go through a lot of traumatic experiences and had to kill innocent people to learn the truth. She was so stubborn she had to murder Sasha, traumatize her family, was lucky that they were so nice that they didn't seek out justified revenge on her, and killed innocent guards in the process. It wasn't just a matter of "getting to know them." It was an arduous process. Other times Armin tried resolving issues through words alone didn't work, either. The officer he tried to convince in Season 1 to not execute them because he was terrified of Eren's Titan form refused to listen to a single point Armin made. He was more than ready to execute them anyway, so all Armin did was buy time for Pixis to stop him-and he only stopped because Pixis was his superior. The manga parallels this moment by having Armin attempt to negotiate with a similar terrified, irrational officer after Eren ends the Titan curse. And just like in Season 1, his efforts were futile. War and fear and oppression continued on, and eventually, Paradis was destroyed anyway. All he did was buy time. Hizuru was their only ally, but they only allied with Paradis for their own benefit. The show makes this clear multiple times. They're money-grubbers that just want their resources. Most other countries would refuse to have anything to do with Paradis, especially because of Willy Tybur's speech rallying the literal REST of the world, to join him. He even invited Hizuru, and the Azumabito had to play along to avoid getting branded as an enemy... but literally EVERY other nation in every part of the world was moved by his speech, and was more than willing to form the Global Alliance with him out of fear of the Rumbling. Eren literally waited until the last second of Willy's speech to make his attack on Liberio, because he didn't want to do it. He wanted to be sure there wasn't a shadow of a doubt that Willy was beyond reason and that his actions would only bring death to Paradis. Does that sound deranged and selfish to you? I agree that there are many minorities and innocent people that didn't deserve to die during the Rumbling, or during the Liberio attack, and don't care about the Global Alliance, but when it's every major country declaring war... What else is there to do? It was thanks to Eren's Liberio attack that the Global Alliance's attack was postponed, at the cost of motivating them to want to eliminate them even more. So what other solution is there? It's tragic and you obviously can't condone it, but AoT has always been about morally grey issues and making sacrifices, being forced to become monsters for the sake of self-preservation. Armin preaches this all throughout Seasons 1-3, until he loses that mentality by Season 4. Eren even angrily asks Hange what other solution she might have when he’s locked up in his cell in Season 4 Part 1. He’s genuinely tried everything he could and doesn’t want to do it, but he’s fed up and has already made up his mind, especially after over four years of basically no real progress-just a few options that no one likes (euthanasia) or ones that go back to the Royal Family’s old ways and run a high risk of leaving them for dead anyway (the 50-year plan to modernize using a small-scale Rumbling to buy more time, even though four years had the characters admitting they barely got anywhere in hindsight.) And Hange didn’t even have an answer for Eren. She just deflected the question, called him a pervert, and left, to hide the fact she was pooped and just as clueless on what to do. There’s no denying genocide is wrong, and there’s no denying Eren’s plan is selfish. But to say he wasn’t willing to compromise at all, when he did his best hoping the future he saw when he kissed Historia’s hand wouldn’t happen? He only made up his mind deep into the four-year timeskip, when he saw their only chance at support from Marley, an Eldian support group, was only willing to support Eldians from outside Paradis, and wanted to slaughter the “island devils” just like everyone else. Every other nation (barring minorities, much smaller nations, and civilians that aren’t as involved in politics, but many of which were swayed by the news of Willy Tybur’s propaganda anyway) was willing to genocide Eldians and *especially* Paradis regardless, so that’s why Eren was driven into a corner to genocide them back.
Well, we know what happens in the smoke so, the second all AOT fans see smoke across the world like that and hear even a little shaking, you know that’s the rumbling even when u can’t see it
Not to necessarily defend the rumbling, but it’s more nuanced then “I want revenge”. It’s literally one of the only options. Either all of Paradise is wiped out, or the world. There’s no middle ground. Even if they wiped out the military humanity would rise again to try and wipe out paradise. There is no in between. Eren had a very simple choice. It’s them or us. And he chose them. Anyone else in this situation would face the classic psychological question. Do you sacrifice 1% or 99%? If that 1% are people you love then it becomes a very difficult question.
Not at all pointless, just realistic. Like Pyxis said in season 1, conflict will never end until there is only 1 human being remaining. Whether you agree with Eren's choice or not, it's foolish to believe that the conflict would end even if Eren kills everyone outside the walls because eventually Eldians will have inner conflicts on their ideals and the fighting will continue. Marley wiping out Eldia or vice verse does not end human nature which is the true villain of the story and the entire point of it. It may no be satisfying but it is REAL.
@@joshvarga3591 You’re stupid. The series was done for nothing. What part hundreds of thousands of colossal Titans killing all of humanity is realistic???? You’re stupid.
@@justsomeguy6336 I kind of agree and disagree. Spoiler… I was disappointed when Erens goal was “I’ll make myself the ultimate bad guy so Eldia can save the world” because I feel like it flew in the face of his story. Eren was always a character that did the extreme and cared little for consequences. It makes more sense for him to complete the rumbling than to have this Code Geoss situation. However, the extended ending. With Eldia engaging in was and being wiped out anyway I think fits the tone. Eren didn’t try to save Eldia. His main concern was his friends to live a long and happy life. Eren accomplished that goal. They most likely died old and in peace. Mikasa surrounded by the family she made. However, empires rise and fall. Conflict will never end. Eventually, be it 100 years or 1,000 years, the new Eldia empire would fall. They probably ended up becoming evil themselves, probably into a Nazi or Communist styled dictatorship. So thematically I loved it. Character wise not so much. I would have been happier with either Eren completing the rumbling or he was defeated legitimately with no plans to unite the world.
@@justsomeguy6336 The added chapters made the ending better. Eren made the selfish decision to activate the Rumbling and it sealed the fate of Paradis. Of course the survivors and their children would not just accept the near-extinction of humanity, so naturally they wiped out the Eldians completely. It's tragic as hell, but ties back to Isayama's theme of the never-ending cycle of war
I would just like to add that Eren could make the rumbling even deadlier if he wanted to. If Karl Fritz could alter the memories of everyone on Paradis (minus Ackermans), there's no reason to assume Eren can't do the same for every Eldian in the world. He could, in theory, make everyone attack any Marleyan they see and know by altering their memories enough to make them do it. My guess for why he didn't is simply because he believes in freedom
Oh snap. I never even considered that. Eren really didn't even use the full power of the founder during this event. If he did, he would straight up win with no one to stop him right when *(spoiler)* his head touched Zeke's hand.
@@andrewblissett2211 legit could’ve turned every eldian outside of paradis into a pure titan lol. Even his own friends. That includes titan shifters like reiner and annie. He let them stop him
The Founding titan was used by karl fritz to turn people into pure colossals to make the wall mind you I think you still need to inject people or ymir needs more time to make the titans but imagine if he made all the eldians outside the island turn into colossals ?
it's not about who's right or wrong, or even who deserves to die, its about saving the few people you actually care about. There is no way Paradis can win a war against literally the entire world specially keeping in mind their technology is at least a century behind while in the last war Titans have started to lose to weapons it's only a matter of time for them to make nukes and leaving survivors with the partial rumbling you mentioned will only drive more fear/motivation for the world to prepare for such an attack, and on top of all that, Eren only has like 2 years at most to live so he won't even be able to fight when the enemy comes for his friends. This is the only way. loved your video by the way :)
Its not about revenge, its about insuring that what ever humans that are left (for example the rest of the world except Marley), wont seek revenge when Eren is dead because of the curse. Basically deleting all the hate (as the show showed us its the whole world) towards Eldina's to ensure peace.
As Kiyomi said, the world would simply get smaller. There was already a division between the Eldians of Paradis hours after the rumbling occurred. A lot of them didn't like the Rumbling, including Historia, the ruler of Paradis. The people of Paradis would eventually split and end up killing each other, just like how the world was already doing
@@DWEGOON I don't think you understand, yes there would still be conflict in the world even if only Eldina's remain but it wouldn't be so one sided and so full of indoctrinated hatred towards another race, at least the next Eldian war would be on an equal technology level and not horses versus tanks like its right now.
Each Eren was a lil weird to do that but he does show remorse even before doing it, also he was right that it was the only way to stop the cycle of hate and racism
I get that it’s a lose-lose situation for Paradis, but I still think that targeting Marley is better than taking out the entire world along with every Eldian & refugee.
Titans only die when you hit the nape not all of them will die in the blast. And now there’s radioactive titans spreading radiation wherever they walk.
I dunno if you intentionally glossed over this, but another aspect of the Rumbling that's scary asf is the fact not everyone dies immediately. Yeah, death is inevitable of a doomsday event like this, but the manga (i specifically think about chapter 131) shows people actually dying slow deaths before getting their lives snuffed out. It's fucked up how many people have to suffer cause of this shitty war from over 2000 years ago.
The clips you used of King Fritz when discussing who's idea the Rumbling was just made me want to make sure you didn't think him and Karl Fritz are the same person. King Fritz in Ymir's flashback was the first Fritz king, whereas Karl Fritz, the one who fled to Paradis with his followers and built the walls was the 145th Fritz king.
@@WhoIsKaiYT Yeah the stuff with King Fritz and Ymir happened around 2000 years ago but the stuff between Karl Fritz and the Tybur family, etc only happened around 100 years ago. But it's an easy mistake to make given they're both called King Fritz.
To be honest, after reading the manga, it would've made perfect sense for the rumbling to happen and after a few years, when vegetation starts growing again, paradisians explore the vast world that is free of oppression, racism and any threat. Literally going full circle, "no humanity beyond the walls" Just you wait anime onlys, you have no idea of what's to come... All I can say is that if I described the ending to you, you would absolutely laugh in my face and question my sanity.
@@monke2862 imagine you go to a 5 star resturant and the entrées is delicious the meal is delicious and then you decide to get the desert it, and it looks kinda funky but you still try it out because everything before that was great. So you take a bite and it tastes bland and then your stomach rumbles and you go home thinking to yourself that maybe you shouldn't have taken deserts and then think to yourself maybe I should have stopped when I saw the signs of the desert being kinda funky
It was a GLOBAL alliance, the entire world wanted to exterminate Eldia, and would never accept anything else. SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS Hell, the rumbling which actually occurred was only partial, the world was saved by Eldians, and the titan powers were gone. Yet after a few decades, the world rebuilt, went to war again, and exterminated the Eldians anyways. It's terrible, but as Eren said, the only way to end the hatred is to bury the history that it is built on
Yeah except that's early wrong. First off the decades thing it was more like a few hundred years we saw it get built mikasa die another time skip. Boom then some war we dont know the context behind has eldians destroyed except thing is we dont know if it was because of eldians or because of foreign things not explained. You know why that is. Because it was to reinforce the messages that war will never stop like erwin or pixas said I forgot which. Men will fight untill there is only one left. That was the point of those and chances are it had nothing to do with the rumbling because it doesnt take a few hundred years to build up and army again especially if 20% survived that's alot of people who'd know hoe to build shit. And yes eren is partially right but are you seriously insinuating that the alience should have just let eren kill off every single living human. Thatd make you just ad bad as eren and his marry hours of yagerist who even he hate so idk why people say call themself that wtv tho.
@@ufgbkgchehshid8115 "it was a few hundred years. I know this because it makes you wrong" try using evidence that is actually in the story next time dumbass
We don't know what that final war was about. It could have been about Eldia, but it could have also been about resources or any other reason. And, Eldians weren't strictly confined to Paradis, nor was everyone on the island killed, so they weren't Exterminated
@@DWEGOON you are literally just coping, nothing you are saying makes any sense whatsoever, you are only saying it because otherwise you would have to admit that you are wrong
Manga spoilers: Eren pretty much admits that his actions were unforgivable and morally the wrong choice. He even goes through a few scenarios all of which would cost fewer lives. The reason he becomes distant and edgy is because he feels guilt at what he is planning and doesn’t want his friends to feel the same guilt if they helped him do it. The reason he did it was because he personally *wanted* to. His character’s motivation has always been tied up within his dream, to defeat the enemy outside the walls and reclaim the outside world to be free to travel across this new frontier unbound by walls and barriers. His enemy changing from mindless titans to innocent humans gave him pause but it was not enough to change his mind. His entire character arc is that he has none, he forcefully fights against changing himself and his mind. Everyone defending Eren’s actions is doing so based on his lies and against his own logic on what would have been right.
Heck guys, even Eren doesn't justify his actions. And his motives aren't as noble as you guys think (spoilers, so I'm not gonna say more about that) Completely agree that the Rumbling is an absolutely terrifying thing and NO ONE deserves to die like that. (Spoiler again) There's no way that Eren could've lived peacefully after doing something that horrible. He had to die. (This is coming from someone whose favourite character is Eren. I love him, but no one deserves to live peacefully after committing such a horror)
I understand your opinion but you should also understand that not just Marley but whole world wants paradise extinction. And no amount of talking could erase the hatred of 2000 yrs
Yes exactly. The point of destroying marley is useless when the entirety of the world hates eldians. You will just show the world how much of a threat eldia is. There are billions of people outside the walls who can out number them by 1 to 100 and they have better technology than the eldians can ever have, Anti-titan weaponry. Children outside the walls will learn to hate eldians and will become tools of war just like gabi before she changed which is a bad thing but there is no better solution to stop this when the world hates your ass and want you dead without knowing you deeply. And I assure you talking out of this is useless (think about it in reality, normally lets say you made a "Horrible" thing to a complete stranger. Will they forgive you? Do I have to answer that?) Its just logic I am neutral to this but killing the entire world is the only option Eren has or else he will doom his homeland. Its all about survival. One will die and one will win
I think some people forget is that most Eldians outside the walls hate "the island devlis who abandoned them." which is why Eren didn't try and save ALL Eldians.
3:47 no. It's not going "too far" it's fighting fire with fire. If eren didn't start the rumbling. The rest of the world would wipe out all eldians for their "past sins". The rest of the world hated them and labeled them demons. They got it.
I had a dream that I was in the rumbling. I could see everything. Trust me, it was terrifying. I had to get in an airship all the way to Fort Salta, and I participated in the final fight. I saw the main characters, lol.
Eren wanted to protect Paradis for forever (which is impossible btw), so he did the rumbling. He's a madman but his intentions are still understandable despite how vile they are. This video explains everything well in my opinion: th-cam.com/video/Hr44dBCWcHY/w-d-xo.html
In chapter 131 eren basically admitted that by numbers alone it made more sense that paradis should be destroyed and that there are people who don't deserve to die, but he still decided to do the rumbling
I’m pretty sure Eren’s plan was to become scene as this great villain throughout history and for Eldians to defeat him, showing the world that there are good Eldians, while at the same time eliminating the threat of the titans
Oh yeah? What about the rumbling, but every single wall titan is also covered in giant spiders? And every single one has the face of one of the cast from The Sopranos coming out of its thorax. Now THATS fuckin scary.
Without doubt the ironic thing about the whole situation has to be The fact that in end the only reason it happened was because of marleys attack on the island to begin with
Even if it were possible I dont think living in the darkest depths of the ocean would be safe unless the water pressure can kill the Colossals. The only safe place is in the skies but you'll need to go down for fuel sometime unless the titans trampled whatever's left by then. Not sure if it existed in their time but only a nuke could do more damage than what their cannons did but it might need a few considering how spread out the titans are. Thankfully something like this would be better to handle in this day and age.
Considering that titans are relatively light (the wall titans are still plenty heavy enough to flatten the world though), its highly unlikely that they're denser than the deep ocean. Get deep enough, and they can't chase you because they'll float back to the surface. A humorous yet terrifying concept
It was the King Fritz 80 years ago that created the walls, not the original one. It was always an empty threat to him, but it needed to look real. Problem is that, like you said, people were so afraid of the threat that they acted anyway. And threats are only as valuable as they are actionable. The rumbling is terrible, but all 3 options available in the show are some form of genocide. Even a small scale rumbling is still genocide, and remember what Udo said: Marley actually treats Subjects of Ymir the best out of the countries (except Hizuru as we're shown). And the entire world decided to commit genocide on the Paradisians. It's a situation of kill or be killed taken to its utmost extreme, a tragedy in every sense of the word.
To think of it, Eren fucked the whole island as well. Flattening everything in the world will definitely have some serious consequences. Apart from billions of people dying, the earth outside the walls would possibly be an unhabitable wasteland because there would be no more trees to supply oxygen. The ice caps in Antarctica would've melted with the heat from the collosals, the refugees from outside the walls will *definitely* make their own revenge/restorationist move from inside the island, and Paradis would become the last empire ruling the dying earth.
Can rumbling flatten our world as well? Do you think modern weaponry have a chance to stop rumbling without prior knowledge about titans? 🤔 I think about 50% of humanity will be destroyed. Not only by titans, but nuclear weapons as well.
*Spoilers!* Everybody gangster till Eren summons Ancient Titans including WarHammer Titan in our world that shoots arrow and spears. In AoT Eren lost. Because of his firends and some people on Marley. And they have Titan Shifting Powers. *Well Eren can just take away their powers, but he didn't so giving them a chance to fight. That is what Eren planned to make his friends hero to the world, to stop this hatred at least for a few years.*
A small scale rumbling to annihilate the allied fleet would have been the best choice. Destroy the military, and threaten a full one in order to buy time to modernize and establish Paradis as a main player in the world. Sort of like nuclear weapons and MAD
Man, I'm one of those people. I'm Team Rumbling. The Marleyan army is pushing to rally several other nations against Paradis. Eren had no choice. The anime/Manga doesn't present another possible alternative that can enable Eren & the people of Paradis to live peacefully, The assholes from Marley ignited their own doom and dragged the world into this. Time loop silliness or not, it all begins with them pushing to kidnap the founding titan and push Eren to this extreme. #GetReadyToRumble!
Damn bro I don't know why but this content is so wholesome, you remind me somewhat of myself as you are still a child (or at least sound like one, sorry for assuming) but also really engaging visually and audibly with your content editing style. Thank you kai Edit: forgot to say I subbed
You: man this is kinda scary, welp time to go to sleep. You in your dreams: HOLY WHAT THE, WHY ARE THERE WALL TITANS Wall titan #5: you are in a dream lol You: ok proove it. Wall titan #5: :/ ok whatever ill stomp on you. You: wait wha- You: AAAAAA- oh it was just a dream...
I think Isayama should have had the balls to make a true ending for what the Rumbling would have meant for the PLANET and not just for humanity. Both the Island and the rest of the world should have respectively be partially or completely flattened. Ecosystems, animals, habitats, the whole planet should have been destroyed. That’s why I was so scared of Eren and hoped he had another plan because, as it should have been in reality. The world should have died because of his actions. It shouldn’t have kept going like nothing happened and nations kept warring on each other. The rumbling was supposed to be apocalypse incarnate. Wasn’t its power and destruction and description by everyone supposed to represent what a nuclear war would cause to the entire world? Guess not. It was all about love and romance 😍😍 mwah Eremika 😘🥰so cute kissing the head of a corpse instead of taking the time to develop a relationship when they became adults and had pretty much peace for four years after going through several life and death situations in their lives. So beautiful Isayama thank you for opening my eyes on what this story WAS ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME. So many were blinded by the seriousness of the series that they couldn’t understand the great potential you have in writing romance- that you self criticized on being awful at writing- why did you say you were awful at it? No one’s ever written such a love story, not even the precious gem that is Twilight or the beatiful After movies. It was so glorious to read about Mikasa loving and kissing Eren when he was dead and the people with the highest body count left on the planet become ambassadors of peace for the world. PURE FUCKING GENIUS It didn’t disappoint any of my expectations because I had none the moment I saw reintroduce Annie in the story with a trash, cringe award worthy scene of her eating a fucking pie while Connie laughed after wasting everyone’s time trying to feed a kid to his mother before changing his mind when humanity’s forced lord and Savior (Arlert for plot armor and story convenience) tried to sacrifice himself thinking Connie would stop. Man what the hell this story was pure gold- and still is at least until the ocean scene and maybe, if we want to close our eyes and enjoy fights and battles, ‘til the Liberio raid. From then on it slowly falls apart for me. The man that should realistically be bringing armageddon, Ragnarok or whatever the fuck you want to call it: is actually thinking about living with Mikasa after not showing anything other than familiar love and affection for her in the rest of the story. Along with a deep depression in what he’s decided to do for Paradis, despite clearly not understanding every single consequence of his actions, because he can’t accept dying with the thought that Paradis will have to keep fighting for decades after his death and that he’ll just have to trust others to change everything. Wasn’t that the point of his growth? Only trusting himself and making the choice that he can’t regret despite the chance that it could be the wrong one? My favorite characters are the Warriors, except for Zeke, because it was obvious they would have never won, but they were badasses that kept fighting despite the ignored greater potential they had in breaking from their chains and fighting for freedom for their kind- and not just goddamn Paradis- instead of against it after all the hate they got. But even I can say that I loved Eren for his drive and sorrowful demeanor for all the destruction he was giving. In the end even the potential he was emitting was squandered. It’s so sad seriously. An incredible story with THE PERFECT ANIME that brought it to skyrocket into Mars and then plummet back to Earth because of outside pressure. What a shame. I guess it’s a good parallel to see that Eren NEVER was in control of anything since the future is supposed to be predetermined I guess, because Isayama clearly wasn’t in control of his own work at the end of his masterpiece. I REFUSE THE WISH OF OTHERS TO FORCE ME INTO THINKING THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG. It’s simply impossible… and that’s all I have to say about that. Well, I’m gonna go do something useful with my life now instead of writing this crap. Hopefully youtube doesn’t shadow ban this comment because of the many curses I wrote. Peace to anyone reading this ✌🏻 ☮️ goodbye
So basically this show teaches us that the answer to being bullied is not turning the other cheek or talking it out, but wiping out the human race on a global scale ✅
Should I make another video about if Eren was right or not?
Yes
Yes pleas2
Yes
yea
Up to you but just know either way you will probably get hate
Scientist :- the earth is not flat
Eran:-not yet
Eren, the true flat earth believer.
@@junkoenoshima6756 The average flat earth enjoyer
@@junkoenoshima6756 You're my favorite character in Trigger Happy Havoc. Big fan!
Bruuuuh 💀 Eren basically confirmed that theory as well with no humanity outside the walls
It’s all fun and games until the finale will end with “based on a true story”
like the author has already lived through one loop of this happening or something
this joke is so fucking old my god SHUT UP
Ya it actually happened and founding titan erased all your memories.
@@reubenlyimo More like the author is the Attack titan and saw Eren's future memories of him being written
Maybe it is based on a future story and isayama is a time traveler
Willy Tybur: "If the Walls walk even a single time, there will be nothing left but to flee in--vain--from the sound of earth-shaking footsteps that will herald our doom. These monsters will crush every city, trample every tree and flower....they will literally FLATTEN OUR WORLD!"
Also Willy Tybur: "As a representative of Marley's government, I declare war upon Paradis! Help us defeat them!"
Personally, if I knew they had the Rumbling in their pockets I’d stay as far away as possible from them
@@WhoIsKaiYT Precisely, which is why my sympathy for the destruction of the outside world is firmly in the negative numbers lol.
I don't think Eren understands how huge the world is and just how many people he's killing
I don’t think Eren understands half the things he’s doing a lot of the time lol
He's aware that he'd have to kill everyone, no matter how many they are
well hes pretty aware, i cant tell you exactly why because thats a lot of spoilers and not sure if you finished the manga
Yeah he killed 1 or 2 billion people. The population of humans at the time was 3 billion 😐
He definitely understands what he's doing, trust me
The thing is Eren was only able to save the Eldians from castration by convincing the Founder to disobey royal blood. That’s huge. The partial Rumbling plan was contingent on the idea that they could maintain control of the Founder’s power after Eren dies from the 13-year curse. But Eren’s interaction with Ymir seems to have completely changed the basis of how the Founder operates. As of now, I would say that there is no guarantee that future holders would even be able to control the Founding Titan after this, so a so-called partial Rumbling may not be feasible anymore.
Not to Mention, after a partial rumbling, the whole world would go to war with them, with twchnology being on their side, they would have to do the real rumbling eventually
Good comment I Never thought about that
SPITTIN FAX
This comment has given me more to think
About than the video.
I was thinking what if Eren just used the rumbling to spook everyone? He has the colossal titans walk to the shorelines of countries and just stand there before delivering his ultimatum. Leave us alone or die.
If only Eren had the time to make sure they left Paradis alone
@@furiousdestroyah9999 He could use the founder’s power to have control over his successors, just like how king fritz imposed his will on the royal family. It’d be like inheriting another body kind off. Though I imagine Eren would hate this idea
@@PrimexMaxusTitan he definitely would. That sort of idea would go against Eren’s ideologies of free-will
@@ajacevedo3 he could just carefully select a successor while guiding the successor or something
Sounds like a good fan fiction, if any country comes within a few miles of Paradis then everything gets rumbled. Cold war situation.
me: sees steam in the distance and ground starts shaking
everyone else: why you running??
me: RUMBLING, RUMBLING, ITS COMING RUMBLING, RRRUUUUUMMBLLINGGGG
BEWARE!!!
COMING FOR YOU!!!
All I ever wanted to do was do right things
I never wanted to be the king
I SWEAR
All nations are culpable in Marley's invasion of Paradis because none of them fought to stop it. Considering that they risked the Rumbling not only by calling Fritz's bluff, but also by fighting in titan form near the walls, the expedition was deadly reckless, showing a callous disregard for the lives of every person on the planet.
The Rumbling could have been easily prevented if those other nations besides Marley and Hizuru had sent diplomatic envoys to the island once the titans there had disappeared. Their failure to do so, alongside their thunderous applause of Tyber's declaration of war, implied very strongly that there was an active state of war, and the territorial integrity of Paradis was in extreme danger. Further, it is likely that Eren only had one shot at it. I've not read the manga so I can't say that for sure. The setup is almost exactly like the trigger for MAD in the real world. Imagine NATO declaring war on Russia, invading their territory, destroying a major city, conducting military operations in their capital, and expecting Russia not to use nukes. The difference being that, of course, NATO also has nukes, while Tybur's global alliance doesn't have their own force of titans. So they are extraordinarily stupid in addition to being insanely hateful.
Gotta say, the set up was such that any reasonable person would trigger a full or nearly full scale rumbling (I would spare Hizuru myself IF I knew that I could do it again if I had to. If I couldn't, I'd have to stomp them too). Western philosophy has degraded to the point that most people are incapable of seeing that such a move was completely necessary. The scary part about that is that our general inability to see that means we risk provoking such moves ourselves. If we keep going the way we are going, nukes are going to fly. Orthodox realpolitik is famous, and they won't hesitate when the time comes. Western refusal to see it, while signalling virtue with war policy, will bring it about.
What the fuck dude its genocide regardless
@@hugocardona7581 OK, now tell that to the bastards that sent children to kick in the walls.
There is a reason Reiner repeatedly says “The one person who shouldn’t have that power is Eren” no one else even suggests mass genocide before Eren commits to it. Eren is the only one who would do something like that.
@@sm_cheesy3144 Marley seemed perfectly fine with mass genocide of Eldians.
@@sm_cheesy3144 wtf are you talking about? The show literally opened with Paradis being subjected to genocide by the warriors from Marley.
Why only Marley and not the Rest of the world? The united Nations decided together that they have to destroy paradis island. And in the second after they made the decision Eren made the first move. It was his only choice and it was kind of self defense.
I only feel bad for the innocent people, especially the eldian.
that then begs two questions; are the people that form or live under any security alignment in response to a ready-to-deploy WMD inherently dangerous to the people outside of them? Are currently oppressed minorities dangerous? The governments outside of Marley began to form an alliance because Willy Tybur revealed the truth at the worst possible moment - knowing that Eren himself has the capacity to start The Rumbling is bound to rally every country because their governments couldn't accept such disproportionate power that could be used against them.
I know how the people outside of Marley and Paradis would react if Eren only attacks the Marleyan state - they, too, wouldn't give the Eldians the benefit of doubt, given the possibility that Eren's founding titan can be inherited by somebody who only recognizes power. The real-world side effect of having an equivalent to nuclear weapons is that you become a high value target.
Titan-shifting really is a curse, and it is not fair for the Eldians to encounter social barriers which strips away their dignity. Nevertheless, even the gypsy encampments are full of those voiceless refugees who were denied protection by the state. They, too, will suffer either in the hands of Marley or the wrath of Ymir. While all the solutions are shitty, I wouldn't quickly condone the actual start of The Rumbling, a weapon used primarily as a deterrent. That could only re-affirm the opposition's perception of Paradis and the security dilemma at large.
I'm increasingly aligned with Malcolm X myself, yet I'd rather live with a world where every stranger gets a chance to be a real piece of shit, and so far it's grown on me.
@@Peter_Siri Honestly I would like to see some material explaining why nobody except Hizuru sent diplomats to Paradis. It would be like not having diplomatic relations with the US after it became a nuclear power. At the time there was no guarantee that Paradis would be hostile, so it would make sense to minimize that risk, even if it means setting aside pride and hatred. But only one nation would do that.
@@grugnotice7746 I'd wish there could be some more material explaining that as well. Hizuru did seem to leverage her relations with both Marley and Paradis because she was in an ideal position to do so, being a supplier of advanced anti-Titan weaponry. I wonder how Marley hasn't probed them yet while it wages war with a more tech-savvy alliance what resembles the Near East. My best guess was that because after the founding Titan was used to wipe the memories of people in the past about King Fritz' renunciation of war, only the Marleyans and Hizuru's country would know about having titan-shifters without remembering the context of the founder. That is partly why the Marleyans tend to have a xenophobic outlook on the world even after having control over much of the world's resources they still fear the possibility of any foreigner is a Titan shifter. Is it safe to say that the militaries opposing Marley would not give a damn how it handled Paradis until Willy made a public disclosure?
In real-life, states tend to care primarily about the bottomline - if any country vital to its interests is shifting course or being meddled by a neighboring country, it's developments couldn't be ignored. But the human costs of these developments are seldom accounted for (think Afghanistan). Much of the West condemned Afghans for not having a leadership like in Ukraine while the Afghans condemn the entire world for how it handled or took advantage of their weakened political system. It also just so happens that most developing countries don't have nukes - perhaps we would care more if they did. Much of the world is desensitized to what happens to the people of Paradis and have other priorities. Hence, apathy is bliss until they realize that Eren has inherited the founding Titan.
@@grugnotice7746 the only reasom hizuru came into contact with paradis is because of zeke, otherwise no nation would ever come into contact with them at all except marley of course. The reason being is that everyone is content with paradis being the unknown evil, capable of destroting the world, with any slight. Other than marley which has the tybur family that's what everyone has known. I maybe wrong about specifis cause itbeen awhile but i think thats reasonable enough.
@@drakephysecron6775 That is a very good point. Paradis is perhaps at least partly to blame for failing to send delegations to other nations as well. Perhaps the only weakness of the story is the fact that nobody at all on any side ever seems to have considered diplomacy except for Hizuru.
I always laugh when people try to defend Eren's actions as "The only solution" to the Eldia/Marley conflict.
If Eren ultimately wanted to save the fate of the entire island, he would have partially followed Zeke’s plan, activated a small-scale Rumbling to ward off or destroy the Global military alliance. Then build up the island technologically while strengthening their international relations by trade through the island’s resources such as Ice-Burst stone and oil, making the island the sole supplier and creating interdependence. True, it would have forced them to pass the titans down a couple of generations, but would have saved the island and the Eldians in the long run.
With the possession of the Colossal titan, Paradis could have studied it further and possibly be the first to manufacture nuclear weapons, securing their safety through Mutually Assured Destruction, as the Rumbling would only be effective until nukes.
Eren however, didn’t care for the island. He cared for his friends and wanted them to live a long and happy life, while also wanting to fulfil his childhood dream of exploring a vast and empty world, which would only be possible if the entire world was wiped clean through the Rumbling. This killed two birds with one stone. It was selfish, and the Rumbling legitimised every singly fear the world held of island inhabitants, ultimately sealing Paradis’ fate.
yeah, that's basically it. It's kinda frustrating that people are so gung ho for world genocide.
He did care for the island you liar. He also didn’t know if his friends would survive so he didn’t do it for his friends
Eren didn't care about that childhood dream, dumbass. He cared that people outside the walls want nothing more than to slaughter everyone on the islands and steal his freedom.
@@galarstar052 Blame the author. He’s the one that wanted to pigeonhole the story into either “global genocide or you’ll be genocided” and thus made Armin and Hanji into total morons.
You know eren was trying to find an excuse on why he shouldn't do the rumbling. He travelled the world and met many people. The weak didnt care about the eldian devils. The strong wished to take control and destroy them. The suppressed brainwashed to believe their own people are monsters. It is all about war. Not everyone is evil but if the majority believe the eldians are evil even those that think some eldians are good people won't admit it. Because we've seen how some reactions when they learn their husband was an eldian (she killed herself and her child). The small scale rumbling may have stopped them for 50 years but eren doesn't have that time. He would only live for a few more years due to the 13 year curse. If he dies who's going to take his place who would dare to threaten and use his power to protect those he cares about. Its not the best option but the only outcome he could see occurring to protect those he cares about
And does this make him right? Absolutely not! I totally understand where Eren is coming from but this is madness all the same.
Genocide is always wrong. No one should play God/Devil and feel entitled to snuff out entire populations.
Sure, but what Eren is doing would be like a country having war declared at them by several others because they are the only ones with the technology to produce and use nukes, making all others understandably scared of them, and then deciding that the best course of action is to nuke the rest of the world.
War and opression are always wrong, but genociding the rest of the world to solve it will never be a good solution. If you look at it in sheer numbers, Eren is slaughering an ammount of inocent people several hundred times larger than his own country, even if we only count the children who are not old enough to understand hate as "innocent". Even if there weren't that many, Paradis had allies in countries like Hizuru and may have been able to acquire more negotiating with their natural resources as leverage. We can also see how even brainwashed Marley loyalists like Gabi can have their minds changed simply by getting to know them.
The Rumbling is tragic because we see many examples of how it could have been prevented but wasn't because those making the coices weren't willing to take their chances, just like Marley's operation to retake the Founding Titan. Maybe diplomacy wouldn't have stopped the upcoming war against Paradis, but there was a chance. All they needed was the time a small scale rumbling might have bought them, but Eren wasn't willing to compromise, die and leave the future to other people because he is, and always has been, a deranged and selfish person.
@@miguelyanezlorenzo5037 There was no way diplomacy would have stopped the upcoming war against Paradis. Zeke wanted to end his race through his euthanization plan. The small-scale Rumbling they were going to use to buy time and modernize with Hizuru’s help and (hopefully) find more allies (which isn’t likely) would mean going back to the old ways of having children eat their parents and continue the cycle of Titan rule.
Armin's values of diplomacy are naïve--it took a *lot* of time to only get only a *handful* of the Marleyan volunteers (like Nicolo) to stop being racist, and some of them only faked their friendship and continued to hate the “island devils” after over four years (Yelena had to shoot Griez in Season 4 Part 2 to shut him up, if you remember.) Gabi herself had to go through a lot of traumatic experiences and had to kill innocent people to learn the truth. She was so stubborn she had to murder Sasha, traumatize her family, was lucky that they were so nice that they didn't seek out justified revenge on her, and killed innocent guards in the process. It wasn't just a matter of "getting to know them." It was an arduous process.
Other times Armin tried resolving issues through words alone didn't work, either. The officer he tried to convince in Season 1 to not execute them because he was terrified of Eren's Titan form refused to listen to a single point Armin made. He was more than ready to execute them anyway, so all Armin did was buy time for Pixis to stop him-and he only stopped because Pixis was his superior. The manga parallels this moment by having Armin attempt to negotiate with a similar terrified, irrational officer after Eren ends the Titan curse. And just like in Season 1, his efforts were futile. War and fear and oppression continued on, and eventually, Paradis was destroyed anyway. All he did was buy time.
Hizuru was their only ally, but they only allied with Paradis for their own benefit. The show makes this clear multiple times. They're money-grubbers that just want their resources. Most other countries would refuse to have anything to do with Paradis, especially because of Willy Tybur's speech rallying the literal REST of the world, to join him. He even invited Hizuru, and the Azumabito had to play along to avoid getting branded as an enemy... but literally EVERY other nation in every part of the world was moved by his speech, and was more than willing to form the Global Alliance with him out of fear of the Rumbling.
Eren literally waited until the last second of Willy's speech to make his attack on Liberio, because he didn't want to do it. He wanted to be sure there wasn't a shadow of a doubt that Willy was beyond reason and that his actions would only bring death to Paradis. Does that sound deranged and selfish to you?
I agree that there are many minorities and innocent people that didn't deserve to die during the Rumbling, or during the Liberio attack, and don't care about the Global Alliance, but when it's every major country declaring war... What else is there to do? It was thanks to Eren's Liberio attack that the Global Alliance's attack was postponed, at the cost of motivating them to want to eliminate them even more. So what other solution is there?
It's tragic and you obviously can't condone it, but AoT has always been about morally grey issues and making sacrifices, being forced to become monsters for the sake of self-preservation. Armin preaches this all throughout Seasons 1-3, until he loses that mentality by Season 4.
Eren even angrily asks Hange what other solution she might have when he’s locked up in his cell in Season 4 Part 1. He’s genuinely tried everything he could and doesn’t want to do it, but he’s fed up and has already made up his mind, especially after over four years of basically no real progress-just a few options that no one likes (euthanasia) or ones that go back to the Royal Family’s old ways and run a high risk of leaving them for dead anyway (the 50-year plan to modernize using a small-scale Rumbling to buy more time, even though four years had the characters admitting they barely got anywhere in hindsight.)
And Hange didn’t even have an answer for Eren. She just deflected the question, called him a pervert, and left, to hide the fact she was pooped and just as clueless on what to do.
There’s no denying genocide is wrong, and there’s no denying Eren’s plan is selfish. But to say he wasn’t willing to compromise at all, when he did his best hoping the future he saw when he kissed Historia’s hand wouldn’t happen? He only made up his mind deep into the four-year timeskip, when he saw their only chance at support from Marley, an Eldian support group, was only willing to support Eldians from outside Paradis, and wanted to slaughter the “island devils” just like everyone else. Every other nation (barring minorities, much smaller nations, and civilians that aren’t as involved in politics, but many of which were swayed by the news of Willy Tybur’s propaganda anyway) was willing to genocide Eldians and *especially* Paradis regardless, so that’s why Eren was driven into a corner to genocide them back.
@@hugocardona7581 So what were you gonna do in his shoes?
"...And the titans aren't gonna just watch their steps" me picturing the colossal titans tiptoing around
the rumbling is completely justified.
Well, we know what happens in the smoke so, the second all AOT fans see smoke across the world like that and hear even a little shaking, you know that’s the rumbling even when u can’t see it
What happens in the smoke
@@dominicsalas9653 it's all the steam emmited from the titans
So the smoke I'm seeing and the earthquake I'm feeling isn't from the Krakatoa super volcano?
If the rumbling was done on a smaller scale the survivors will just come back for revenge and the cycle repeats itself.
Eren’s plan was a euthanasia plan to wipe everyone out of existence no one will have to suffer anymore, because there will be no one…
@@ronaldjoypaullames4853 noo..... everyone but eldians. He's fighting for his friends and people.
@@lectran9913 yes true
Not to necessarily defend the rumbling, but it’s more nuanced then “I want revenge”. It’s literally one of the only options.
Either all of Paradise is wiped out, or the world. There’s no middle ground. Even if they wiped out the military humanity would rise again to try and wipe out paradise. There is no in between.
Eren had a very simple choice. It’s them or us. And he chose them.
Anyone else in this situation would face the classic psychological question. Do you sacrifice 1% or 99%? If that 1% are people you love then it becomes a very difficult question.
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Then the ending threw it all away making the whole series pointless.
Not at all pointless, just realistic. Like Pyxis said in season 1, conflict will never end until there is only 1 human being remaining. Whether you agree with Eren's choice or not, it's foolish to believe that the conflict would end even if Eren kills everyone outside the walls because eventually Eldians will have inner conflicts on their ideals and the fighting will continue. Marley wiping out Eldia or vice verse does not end human nature which is the true villain of the story and the entire point of it. It may no be satisfying but it is REAL.
@@joshvarga3591 You’re stupid. The series was done for nothing.
What part hundreds of thousands of colossal Titans killing all of humanity is realistic????
You’re stupid.
@@justsomeguy6336 I kind of agree and disagree.
Spoiler…
I was disappointed when Erens goal was “I’ll make myself the ultimate bad guy so Eldia can save the world” because I feel like it flew in the face of his story.
Eren was always a character that did the extreme and cared little for consequences. It makes more sense for him to complete the rumbling than to have this Code Geoss situation.
However, the extended ending. With Eldia engaging in was and being wiped out anyway I think fits the tone. Eren didn’t try to save Eldia. His main concern was his friends to live a long and happy life. Eren accomplished that goal. They most likely died old and in peace. Mikasa surrounded by the family she made.
However, empires rise and fall. Conflict will never end. Eventually, be it 100 years or 1,000 years, the new Eldia empire would fall. They probably ended up becoming evil themselves, probably into a Nazi or Communist styled dictatorship.
So thematically I loved it. Character wise not so much. I would have been happier with either Eren completing the rumbling or he was defeated legitimately with no plans to unite the world.
@@justsomeguy6336 The added chapters made the ending better. Eren made the selfish decision to activate the Rumbling and it sealed the fate of Paradis. Of course the survivors and their children would not just accept the near-extinction of humanity, so naturally they wiped out the Eldians completely. It's tragic as hell, but ties back to Isayama's theme of the never-ending cycle of war
I would just like to add that Eren could make the rumbling even deadlier if he wanted to. If Karl Fritz could alter the memories of everyone on Paradis (minus Ackermans), there's no reason to assume Eren can't do the same for every Eldian in the world. He could, in theory, make everyone attack any Marleyan they see and know by altering their memories enough to make them do it. My guess for why he didn't is simply because he believes in freedom
Oh snap. I never even considered that. Eren really didn't even use the full power of the founder during this event. If he did, he would straight up win with no one to stop him right when *(spoiler)* his head touched Zeke's hand.
@@andrewblissett2211 legit could’ve turned every eldian outside of paradis into a pure titan lol. Even his own friends. That includes titan shifters like reiner and annie. He let them stop him
The Founding titan was used by karl fritz to turn people into pure colossals to make the wall mind you
I think you still need to inject people or ymir needs more time to make the titans but imagine if he made all the eldians outside the island turn into colossals ?
Holy shit, an AOT fan who isn't pro-genocide
I know, It’s a rare sight
@@WhoIsKaiYT genocide is bad
however
Remember, there is no Black or White perspective to AoT.
It's really sad that there are only few sane people in this fandom. 😕😕
@@lazy_biscuits08 Yeah that's so sad we live in a society and I wanna cry now 😭😭😭😭😢😭😢😭😥😥😢😢😢😨😥😨😢😱🤧
This guy is underrated
it's not about who's right or wrong, or even who deserves to die, its about saving the few people you actually care about. There is no way Paradis can win a war against literally the entire world specially keeping in mind their technology is at least a century behind while in the last war Titans have started to lose to weapons it's only a matter of time for them to make nukes and leaving survivors with the partial rumbling you mentioned will only drive more fear/motivation for the world to prepare for such an attack, and on top of all that, Eren only has like 2 years at most to live so he won't even be able to fight when the enemy comes for his friends. This is the only way.
loved your video by the way :)
Its not about revenge, its about insuring that what ever humans that are left (for example the rest of the world except Marley), wont seek revenge when Eren is dead because of the curse.
Basically deleting all the hate (as the show showed us its the whole world) towards Eldina's to ensure peace.
As Kiyomi said, the world would simply get smaller. There was already a division between the Eldians of Paradis hours after the rumbling occurred. A lot of them didn't like the Rumbling, including Historia, the ruler of Paradis. The people of Paradis would eventually split and end up killing each other, just like how the world was already doing
@@DWEGOON Historia plays along with it in the end, and Paradis is shown to be nothing but united after Eren dies.
@@DWEGOON I don't think you understand, yes there would still be conflict in the world even if only Eldina's remain but it wouldn't be so one sided and so full of indoctrinated hatred towards another race, at least the next Eldian war would be on an equal technology level and not horses versus tanks like its right now.
3:12 no… there has been a weapon to stop them for dozens of years… hand sanitizer
nah, u might be onto something...
Nice video keep up the good work!
Each Eren was a lil weird to do that but he does show remorse even before doing it, also he was right that it was the only way to stop the cycle of hate and racism
This is a very entertaining video for someone with just 82 subscribers.
83 now.
85 now.
@@WhoIsKaiYT make it 112! (it was 111 but i subbed cuz underrated)
Not underhanding a compliment here @whoiskai just saying you deserve more ❤
Tbh the Eldians were oppressed everywhere and there was a global alliance against Paradis
I get that it’s a lose-lose situation for Paradis, but I still think that targeting Marley is better than taking out the entire world along with every Eldian & refugee.
@@WhoIsKaiYT oh yes wipe out one country and I'm sure the other countries will just fall in line right.
To do more would be to take out the trade centers around the world
@@animan-264 remember how the US reacted. The world surely wouldn't react the same
@@Blacklla There’s more to it than that
"There will never be a weapon that can stop the rumbling"
Nukes:
But then you're left with nuclear winter and radiation
Titans only die when you hit the nape not all of them will die in the blast. And now there’s radioactive titans spreading radiation wherever they walk.
I dunno if you intentionally glossed over this, but another aspect of the Rumbling that's scary asf is the fact not everyone dies immediately. Yeah, death is inevitable of a doomsday event like this, but the manga (i specifically think about chapter 131) shows people actually dying slow deaths before getting their lives snuffed out. It's fucked up how many people have to suffer cause of this shitty war from over 2000 years ago.
The clips you used of King Fritz when discussing who's idea the Rumbling was just made me want to make sure you didn't think him and Karl Fritz are the same person. King Fritz in Ymir's flashback was the first Fritz king, whereas Karl Fritz, the one who fled to Paradis with his followers and built the walls was the 145th Fritz king.
Imma be real, I forgot they were different people so thank u for reminding me lol
@@WhoIsKaiYT Yeah the stuff with King Fritz and Ymir happened around 2000 years ago but the stuff between Karl Fritz and the Tybur family, etc only happened around 100 years ago. But it's an easy mistake to make given they're both called King Fritz.
To be honest, after reading the manga, it would've made perfect sense for the rumbling to happen and after a few years, when vegetation starts growing again, paradisians explore the vast world that is free of oppression, racism and any threat.
Literally going full circle, "no humanity beyond the walls"
Just you wait anime onlys, you have no idea of what's to come... All I can say is that if I described the ending to you, you would absolutely laugh in my face and question my sanity.
Is it that bad?
@@monke2862 imagine you go to a 5 star resturant and the entrées is delicious the meal is delicious and then you decide to get the desert it, and it looks kinda funky but you still try it out because everything before that was great. So you take a bite and it tastes bland and then your stomach rumbles and you go home thinking to yourself that maybe you shouldn't have taken deserts
and then think to yourself maybe I should have stopped when I saw the signs of the desert being kinda funky
It was a GLOBAL alliance, the entire world wanted to exterminate Eldia, and would never accept anything else.
SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
Hell, the rumbling which actually occurred was only partial, the world was saved by Eldians, and the titan powers were gone. Yet after a few decades, the world rebuilt, went to war again, and exterminated the Eldians anyways. It's terrible, but as Eren said, the only way to end the hatred is to bury the history that it is built on
Stealth bombers go brrr
Yeah except that's early wrong. First off the decades thing it was more like a few hundred years we saw it get built mikasa die another time skip. Boom then some war we dont know the context behind has eldians destroyed except thing is we dont know if it was because of eldians or because of foreign things not explained. You know why that is. Because it was to reinforce the messages that war will never stop like erwin or pixas said I forgot which. Men will fight untill there is only one left. That was the point of those and chances are it had nothing to do with the rumbling because it doesnt take a few hundred years to build up and army again especially if 20% survived that's alot of people who'd know hoe to build shit. And yes eren is partially right but are you seriously insinuating that the alience should have just let eren kill off every single living human. Thatd make you just ad bad as eren and his marry hours of yagerist who even he hate so idk why people say call themself that wtv tho.
@@ufgbkgchehshid8115 "it was a few hundred years. I know this because it makes you wrong" try using evidence that is actually in the story next time dumbass
We don't know what that final war was about. It could have been about Eldia, but it could have also been about resources or any other reason. And, Eldians weren't strictly confined to Paradis, nor was everyone on the island killed, so they weren't Exterminated
@@DWEGOON you are literally just coping, nothing you are saying makes any sense whatsoever, you are only saying it because otherwise you would have to admit that you are wrong
I am with eren and rumbling
If i was him, i will do it
You'd commit mass genocide huh? Wow
the wall titans height and titans height are literally the most inconsistant
Eren: Killing you is the only way to end the cycle of hatred!
Uncontacted tribe: Who are you?
Lmfao "how quirky of him" 😆
Yo good luck! It was a nice video to watch hope you get way more subs :D
Eren: "I'm somewhat of a genocidal maniac myself."
Hell: am i a joke to you?
Manga spoilers:
Eren pretty much admits that his actions were unforgivable and morally the wrong choice. He even goes through a few scenarios all of which would cost fewer lives. The reason he becomes distant and edgy is because he feels guilt at what he is planning and doesn’t want his friends to feel the same guilt if they helped him do it.
The reason he did it was because he personally *wanted* to. His character’s motivation has always been tied up within his dream, to defeat the enemy outside the walls and reclaim the outside world to be free to travel across this new frontier unbound by walls and barriers. His enemy changing from mindless titans to innocent humans gave him pause but it was not enough to change his mind. His entire character arc is that he has none, he forcefully fights against changing himself and his mind.
Everyone defending Eren’s actions is doing so based on his lies and against his own logic on what would have been right.
The smoke is much hotter than lava and instantly turns anybody into dust
Didn't expect an LTG reference, well done 😂
Nice video man 👍
Rumbling Scary 💀
Thanks for avoiding manga spoilers, really appreciate it
No problem👍
Heck guys, even Eren doesn't justify his actions. And his motives aren't as noble as you guys think (spoilers, so I'm not gonna say more about that)
Completely agree that the Rumbling is an absolutely terrifying thing and NO ONE deserves to die like that.
(Spoiler again)
There's no way that Eren could've lived peacefully after doing something that horrible. He had to die. (This is coming from someone whose favourite character is Eren. I love him, but no one deserves to live peacefully after committing such a horror)
I understand your opinion but you should also understand that not just Marley but whole world wants paradise extinction.
And no amount of talking could erase the hatred of 2000 yrs
Yes exactly. The point of destroying marley is useless when the entirety of the world hates eldians. You will just show the world how much of a threat eldia is. There are billions of people outside the walls who can out number them by 1 to 100 and they have better technology than the eldians can ever have, Anti-titan weaponry. Children outside the walls will learn to hate eldians and will become tools of war just like gabi before she changed which is a bad thing but there is no better solution to stop this when the world hates your ass and want you dead without knowing you deeply.
And I assure you talking out of this is useless (think about it in reality, normally lets say you made a "Horrible" thing to a complete stranger. Will they forgive you? Do I have to answer that?) Its just logic
I am neutral to this but killing the entire world is the only option Eren has or else he will doom his homeland. Its all about survival. One will die and one will win
I think some people forget is that most Eldians outside the walls hate "the island devlis who abandoned them." which is why Eren didn't try and save ALL Eldians.
Good audio quality speaking at a good pace not talking slow to pad out the run time and even put spoilers before the title. You've earned a sub
Would rather see my life be taken from a colossal titan than a pissed of Ackerman
Colossals ready to rumble aren't real, but Vladimir with his Sarmats certainly is
3:47 no. It's not going "too far" it's fighting fire with fire. If eren didn't start the rumbling. The rest of the world would wipe out all eldians for their "past sins". The rest of the world hated them and labeled them demons. They got it.
Imagine if the wall titans all activated their steam ability like Bertholdt when he burned Armin, the soil would melt around them
I still support the rumbling
Eren had no choice but to use the wall titans but I would have just used it as a fuck around and find out on Marley as well, but only Marly
KICKstarting this entire show
i see you
i see you there
I had a dream that I was in the rumbling. I could see everything. Trust me, it was terrifying. I had to get in an airship all the way to Fort Salta, and I participated in the final fight. I saw the main characters, lol.
You're not the only one I had a dream about the rumbling also but I was one of the wall titans
@@jayvhoncalma3458 O_O
@@winsows11 now I know what porco felt when Eren used him as a nutcracker
Eren wanted to protect Paradis for forever (which is impossible btw), so he did the rumbling. He's a madman but his intentions are still understandable despite how vile they are.
This video explains everything well in my opinion: th-cam.com/video/Hr44dBCWcHY/w-d-xo.html
In chapter 131 eren basically admitted that by numbers alone it made more sense that paradis should be destroyed and that there are people who don't deserve to die, but he still decided to do the rumbling
I’m pretty sure Eren’s plan was to become scene as this great villain throughout history and for Eldians to defeat him, showing the world that there are good Eldians, while at the same time eliminating the threat of the titans
Oh yeah? What about the rumbling, but every single wall titan is also covered in giant spiders? And every single one has the face of one of the cast from The Sopranos coming out of its thorax.
Now THATS fuckin scary.
People on planes: Your politics bore me.
true man, they can just fly to paradis and be safe
Kill 1.6 Billion People to save a few 100k
Eren: STONKS
“huh, on black history month to” I’m done lmfao
Without doubt the ironic thing about the whole situation has to be The fact that in end the only reason it happened was because of marleys attack on the island to begin with
What u said about eren haveing a small rumbling on Marley thats what I thought the rumbling was but now I’m shitting in fear ;-;
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HOW TO SURVIVED THE RUMBILG CNIMBING TALLES MOUNTAIS IN THE WOLD EVEREST.
He's so good so tell me why he only has 78 subscribers he deserves more
Thank you, that really means a lot!
No problem you deserve better
273 subs!!!! He has definitely grew!!
levi's clown: hold my beer
The rumbling was a equally of a nuke, like nobody in the world wanted to be nuke just because you got mistreated
Even if it were possible I dont think living in the darkest depths of the ocean would be safe unless the water pressure can kill the Colossals. The only safe place is in the skies but you'll need to go down for fuel sometime unless the titans trampled whatever's left by then. Not sure if it existed in their time but only a nuke could do more damage than what their cannons did but it might need a few considering how spread out the titans are. Thankfully something like this would be better to handle in this day and age.
Considering that titans are relatively light (the wall titans are still plenty heavy enough to flatten the world though), its highly unlikely that they're denser than the deep ocean. Get deep enough, and they can't chase you because they'll float back to the surface. A humorous yet terrifying concept
It was the King Fritz 80 years ago that created the walls, not the original one. It was always an empty threat to him, but it needed to look real. Problem is that, like you said, people were so afraid of the threat that they acted anyway. And threats are only as valuable as they are actionable. The rumbling is terrible, but all 3 options available in the show are some form of genocide. Even a small scale rumbling is still genocide, and remember what Udo said: Marley actually treats Subjects of Ymir the best out of the countries (except Hizuru as we're shown). And the entire world decided to commit genocide on the Paradisians. It's a situation of kill or be killed taken to its utmost extreme, a tragedy in every sense of the word.
If you're rich and own an aircraft you could try flanking them and seeking refuge on paradis
1:37 Just the best
Eren Still Did Nothing Wrong Part 2 song explains it all. Can’t expect you to agree with a real niggah 🤷♂️
To think of it, Eren fucked the whole island as well. Flattening everything in the world will definitely have some serious consequences. Apart from billions of people dying, the earth outside the walls would possibly be an unhabitable wasteland because there would be no more trees to supply oxygen. The ice caps in Antarctica would've melted with the heat from the collosals, the refugees from outside the walls will *definitely* make their own revenge/restorationist move from inside the island, and Paradis would become the last empire ruling the dying earth.
here before this channel blows up
The colossal is it’s own titan shifter, the wall titans are just the same height if not a little shorter than the colossal and they are mindless
Nice vid my dude👍
Thx my dude👍
Can rumbling flatten our world as well? Do you think modern weaponry have a chance to stop rumbling without prior knowledge about titans? 🤔
I think about 50% of humanity will be destroyed. Not only by titans, but nuclear weapons as well.
*Spoilers!*
Everybody gangster till Eren summons Ancient Titans including WarHammer Titan in our world that shoots arrow and spears.
In AoT Eren lost. Because of his firends and some people on Marley. And they have Titan Shifting Powers. *Well Eren can just take away their powers, but he didn't so giving them a chance to fight. That is what Eren planned to make his friends hero to the world, to stop this hatred at least for a few years.*
You’re totally right, but I’d like to think we have to technology to stop it before we reach 50%
Didn’t eren destroy an entire continent in 4 days
@@crazymster they said that the entire continent would’ve been destroyed in 4 days. that didn’t happens.
80% of humanity was destroyed from the rumbling.
A small scale rumbling to annihilate the allied fleet would have been the best choice. Destroy the military, and threaten a full one in order to buy time to modernize and establish Paradis as a main player in the world. Sort of like nuclear weapons and MAD
Keep it up mr WhoIsKai
Man, I'm one of those people. I'm Team Rumbling. The Marleyan army is pushing to rally several other nations against Paradis.
Eren had no choice. The anime/Manga doesn't present another possible alternative that can enable Eren & the people of Paradis to live peacefully, The assholes from Marley ignited their own doom and dragged the world into this. Time loop silliness or not, it all begins with them pushing to kidnap the founding titan and push Eren to this extreme.
#GetReadyToRumble!
Damn bro I don't know why but this content is so wholesome, you remind me somewhat of myself as you are still a child (or at least sound like one, sorry for assuming) but also really engaging visually and audibly with your content editing style.
Thank you kai
Edit: forgot to say I subbed
Thank you but bro I just made a video saying I’m 20💀
Ooof I undershot massively sorry, I thought you were like 13 but the qualities definitely there. Again, sorry :/
@@pashazitto627 you’re cool lol
Eren definitely suggest Isayama to mention this in his manga. I bet the Rumbling came first before Judgement Day.
"i think i should stop here before i get into aot spoiler territory" "(AoT Spoilers) The Rumbling Is The Scariest Thing Imaginable"
Look, there’s spoilers & then there’s “Super Spoilers”. I can make a whole nother video on the “Super Spoilers” alone
@@WhoIsKaiYT do what must be done
HOW DO I HAVE MORE SUBS THAN YOU😭 YOU DESERVE MORE
Nice just subscribed, good luck on future videos !
Thank you, I will!
Eren pulled a Final Solution
You: man this is kinda scary, welp time to go to sleep.
You in your dreams: HOLY WHAT THE, WHY ARE THERE WALL TITANS
Wall titan #5: you are in a dream lol
You: ok proove it.
Wall titan #5: :/ ok whatever ill stomp on you.
You: wait wha-
You: AAAAAA- oh it was just a dream...
Let alone that the anime and manga inspired by landscapes and stories lol
To be fair, they said that Marley was not the worst with Eldians
I think Isayama should have had the balls to make a true ending for what the Rumbling would have meant for the PLANET and not just for humanity. Both the Island and the rest of the world should have respectively be partially or completely flattened. Ecosystems, animals, habitats, the whole planet should have been destroyed.
That’s why I was so scared of Eren and hoped he had another plan because, as it should have been in reality. The world should have died because of his actions. It shouldn’t have kept going like nothing happened and nations kept warring on each other. The rumbling was supposed to be apocalypse incarnate.
Wasn’t its power and destruction and description by everyone supposed to represent what a nuclear war would cause to the entire world?
Guess not. It was all about love and romance 😍😍 mwah Eremika 😘🥰so cute kissing the head of a corpse instead of taking the time to develop a relationship when they became adults and had pretty much peace for four years after going through several life and death situations in their lives.
So beautiful Isayama thank you for opening my eyes on what this story WAS ABOUT THIS WHOLE TIME. So many were blinded by the seriousness of the series that they couldn’t understand the great potential you have in writing romance- that you self criticized on being awful at writing- why did you say you were awful at it? No one’s ever written such a love story, not even the precious gem that is Twilight or the beatiful After movies.
It was so glorious to read about Mikasa loving and kissing Eren when he was dead and the people with the highest body count left on the planet become ambassadors of peace for the world.
PURE FUCKING GENIUS
It didn’t disappoint any of my expectations because I had none the moment I saw reintroduce Annie in the story with a trash, cringe award worthy scene of her eating a fucking pie while Connie laughed after wasting everyone’s time trying to feed a kid to his mother before changing his mind when humanity’s forced lord and Savior (Arlert for plot armor and story convenience) tried to sacrifice himself thinking Connie would stop.
Man what the hell this story was pure gold- and still is at least until the ocean scene and maybe, if we want to close our eyes and enjoy fights and battles, ‘til the Liberio raid.
From then on it slowly falls apart for me.
The man that should realistically be bringing armageddon, Ragnarok or whatever the fuck you want to call it: is actually thinking about living with Mikasa after not showing anything other than familiar love and affection for her in the rest of the story. Along with a deep depression in what he’s decided to do for Paradis, despite clearly not understanding every single consequence of his actions, because he can’t accept dying with the thought that Paradis will have to keep fighting for decades after his death and that he’ll just have to trust others to change everything.
Wasn’t that the point of his growth? Only trusting himself and making the choice that he can’t regret despite the chance that it could be the wrong one?
My favorite characters are the Warriors, except for Zeke, because it was obvious they would have never won, but they were badasses that kept fighting despite the ignored greater potential they had in breaking from their chains and fighting for freedom for their kind- and not just goddamn Paradis- instead of against it after all the hate they got.
But even I can say that I loved Eren for his drive and sorrowful demeanor for all the destruction he was giving. In the end even the potential he was emitting was squandered.
It’s so sad seriously. An incredible story with THE PERFECT ANIME that brought it to skyrocket into Mars and then plummet back to Earth because of outside pressure.
What a shame. I guess it’s a good parallel to see that Eren NEVER was in control of anything since the future is supposed to be predetermined I guess, because Isayama clearly wasn’t in control of his own work at the end of his masterpiece.
I REFUSE THE WISH OF OTHERS TO FORCE ME INTO THINKING THIS WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG.
It’s simply impossible… and that’s all I have to say about that.
Well, I’m gonna go do something useful with my life now instead of writing this crap. Hopefully youtube doesn’t shadow ban this comment because of the many curses I wrote.
Peace to anyone reading this ✌🏻 ☮️ goodbye
Liked this video until the whole "jUsT dEsTrOy MaRlEy" part
You know what, that’s fair lol
Long live the Yaegerists.
Edit: Sub mid tier
So basically this show teaches us that the answer to being bullied is not turning the other cheek or talking it out, but wiping out the human race on a global scale ✅
The rumbling is equivalent to what a nuclear holocaust would look like irl
Someone hasn’t heard of When Day Breaks or Sylvio 2
Flat Earth community supports Eldia, change my mind
Mad, Rumbling is Good.