My only complaint about TPI and TBI is affordability. I'm excited to buy your well-maintaned used one in about 5 years. I'll continue to complain about the lack of kick-start options though. Cheers!
@@GetFaithified not anymore, the case doesn’t have a spot for the kickstart. Honestly it’s not an issue. The starting systems on the bikes are very very good.
My take as a 50+ year motorcycle rider, both dirt and street: No doubt, the 2023 XCs are fantastic. I have two friends with them, and I have ridden one of their bikes. Impressive engine, and the suspension seemed fine as well. But...lets admit, there are more potential single point failure items on these new bikes than we have on a carbureted bike that also has a kickstarter. I have experienced that on the trails with not just one, but several riders (I also have friends with TPI bikes, and new Betas without kickstarters). IF you are going to buy and ride one of these newer bikes, I implore you to learn how it functions, what its fuses do, what its sensors do, what the idiot lights on the dash mean, and learn whether or not you can start it if the battery dies! I've had to lend my mechanical and electrical knowledge to riders of these new bikes ON THE TRAIL to get their bikes started so we could finish the ride or even start the ride! Sure, I've had to do that over the years with carbed bikes as well, but the complexity of these new bikes adds a whole new set of potential problems to diagnose. If you never ride more than a short walking distance from your truck, you probably don't need to worry. But if you typically ride hours away from your truck and far from cell service, I strongly suggest you learn all that you can about these new machines. One last point, and I believe others have commented on this as well, Kyle never keeps a bike very long. When you keep a bike 300-500 or more hours, routine maintenance becomes a must. The old carb/kickstart bikes are pretty simple in that respect. Not so these newer fuelie bikes. Get out and ride!!!
Yup he hasn't had any issues with them but he only keeps a bike for a few months and replaces it with another one. That's not realistic for most folks. I think he would posting a different rant if he got one of the lemons out there or started having electrical issues after a couple years of use. They sure aren't easy for the average guy to trouble-shoot espcially out in the field. Yeah, yeah carburator bikes don't run as good but they can give years of reliable service and are cheap and easy to fix. Why do they need to run perfect? They just need to run well enough to have some fun and satisfy your riding needs. They sure did for many years before FI ever became a thing on dirt bikes.
Well said.i have 2018 tpi and have left it on the the trail once and walked a couple of miles back to my pick up.the more hours the more problems show up.
@@lowstakescrusher Battery, e-start system, oil injection system, fuel fump, wiring harness, FI sensors, fuel filters, fuel injectors are all addtional electronic items that need maitenance/inspection that bikes equipped with carbs and kickers don't have. Any of the above fail and your bike isn't running.
@@lowstakescrusher Completely disagree with your assessment but your entitled to your opinion. I would suggest visting a KTM forum where you can in fact find that all of the above items require maintenance. Even wiring harnesses require anti-corrosion maintenance.
@@lowstakescrusher knowing what sensor to replace when one fails. waiting to get one from a local dealer. replacing starters, batteries and the fuel pump. i could go on.
The main problem is the TPI sensor all it has to do is get hit hard or get water in it in the bike cuts off. You are right when fuel injection works its great. But even if my carb setting are off it will still run and not leave me stranded.
Glad your experience has been so good. Not everyone's has. These bikes were developed to pass emissions. They are undeniably more problematic than a carbed bike. No, I'm not comparing it to my twenty-five-year-old YZ250 on a perfect day. I'm comparing them to my 2018 te300 with a Billetron carb that I ride in various elevations regularly. I have no oil pump or tps sensor to worry about. It's the best running and most reliable bike I've ever had.
I am the original owner of a 1991 CR500 bought it new I ride off road had it ported to smooth out the hit added flywheel RG3 suspension mods fmf gnarly pipe desert tank IMS pegs scotts stabilizer I'm now 60 years old lots of hrs riding desert & forest single track this bike has never failed me, oh did I mention about a year ago I added a smart carb and it's bad ass I can ride anywhere here in So Cal from Ocotillo wells to Kennedy Meadows the bike is low maintenance no power valve to clean or adjust I have other bikes but I really like the 500 low maintenance.
My 2020 TPI bike runs flawlessly - but I still wish my bike was carbed. Just because of the crank case pressure sensor issues. I wish the sensor itself was developed for dirt bikes and I wish the system was better designed. Still love my bike though
Possibly the 2023 models have got most of the problems sorted out. But I don't think your sample group of three is statistically valid. You'd need a much bigger sample group to speak with authority. If you speak confidentially with mechanics who've had a lot to do with TPI models there have definitely been many cases which prove there are serious issues. They aren't all caused by the owner!
Very true. Even if the majority are hitting problems, a failure rate of, say, 10% in the first year is a real problem. For example, Beta two strokes in 2018 and 2019 had around a 5 to 10% rate of seizing due to manufacturing problems. Many owners said it was untrue because their bike was fine. but they were within the 90 to 95% who had no problems of course. Even the Beta factory enventually admitted the issue and the failure rate.
True. Known issues usually only occur in a limited number of cases which is why owners usually don't have the big picture. We know KTM mechanics who have told us of serious design flaws in the TPI system at least up to 2022.
@@TractioneRag Two years ago I spoke with a KTM mechanic who told me a lot of TPI bikes were seizing at low hours, to the point they were waiting months for top end rebuild kits. He said it was happening in other countries too. It was still only a minority of bikes, but definitely enough to be a known issue and cause a run on parts.
I rode a 2023 300sx 3-4 months ago back to back with my built 2022 250sx. Both bikes are very fast, but the responsiveness and smooth power is something a carbed bike will never match. First time I’ve ever thrown my leg over a bike and thought “this bike is revolutionary.”
I fully concur. I Primarily race MX and have a 23 450 SX. I liked having an XC bike around so I could race the occasional woods races. I had a 14 250 XC I bought to beat around on in the woods and loved it but it was kind of dated so I bought a 350 XCF as I didnt like the TPI bikes. I also didnt like the 350 personally but I must add i had a Rekluse in it and it neutered the bike but was needed to prevent stalls. I sold the 350 a couple months ago and picked up a 23 300xc. i have been on these since 76 and competed in MX and off road for about 30 years. This 23 300XC is the most perfect 2 stroke bike I have ever ridden and the most fun to ride woods competition motorcycle I have ever ridden. Honestly the entire bike in my opinion is damn near perfect. i have cone valves on my 23 450 and expected to have to do major suspension work to this 300 but honestly even the suspension is decent.
The best part about 2 strokes is the simplicity. Bringing all this tech to two strokes is amazing, but there is a reason the YZ250 is still selling as well as it is. Also carbs like Smart carbs/Lectron are a fantastic middle ground solution and a great example of what can be achieved if they put more R&D into carbs instead of just jumping to EFI.
@@bam14bam Then I wonder why Shercos with a carb sell so well too 🤔 I bought my YZ for the simplicity, I've dumped plenty of money into it that could have easily gone towards a KTM.
Couldn't have said it better myself I have a 22 300xc I've put 120 hrs on it in 8 months and it has never missed a beat There so good. Thanks for the good content stay safe and ride hard
The exception for a carby bike is one fitted with a SmartCarb. Starts easily, doesn't have air/fuel mixture issues, uses less fuel and will run upside down!
I agree... I do not miss jetting. When I started racing with my brother, if was 2-strokes only, and we would often have to re-jet for a specific track, which was not a huge deal, to be honest, but one less thing to do with fuel injections and computer control. Then 2 strokes almost, completely went away, and that was super sad. Emission controls have become very, very strict. So, I applaud KTM for at least fighting the battle to keep 2-strokes alive.
I have a TPI and plan on getting a carb for my next one. Fuel pump, oil pump, two pressure sensors, two fuel injectors, ECU, throttle position sensor...all things that at best need periodic maintenance or replacement (not cheap) or worse could leave you stranded.
I would advise you to find a competent mechanic to work on your KTM next time. There is absolutely no way all those parts have actually failed on your bike. You have a “parts replacement specialist” working on your bike, not a mechanic.
@@mikeh423 My point was that those are all parts that carb bikes don't have, i.e. not have to give any concern to. Not that TPI has been unreliable for me, but some may just like a simpler system.
I own a carbureted Sherco, have had carbureted KTM's, carbureted Beta's, and now own a TBI KTM. The TBI is good for sure. I mean it is real good. That said, the throttle response isn't quite as snappy as a well tuned carbureted 2 stroke, IMO. Fuel injection is nice as it will adjust for altitude, air temperature, etc. Carbureted bikes are less expensive in the long run. The fuel pumps need replaced in the TBI KTM every two years. I haven't checked the cost of these pumps but cost is cost. Still this rant is a bit over the top. Kyle if you love it and think TBI is the cats pajamas that's cool. Don't come down on folks that still prefer a carburetor. Both have their strengths and drawbacks. You are a TH-cam influencer, and there is an expectation that you'll get the usual haters, debbie downers, etc. Grow some thicker skin brother.
I totally agree but I don't think he is hating on people that like carburetors. He is hating on the fact that people say EFI can never be good on a 2 stroke and carburetors are the only way to go and that KTM can't do anything right.
@@cjw6454 Opinions are like bellybuttons and everyone has one. I agree with you. My point was that Kyle needs to get thicker skin as their will always be someone disagreeing, trying to rattle people, being a jerk, etc. You get the picture. Some people argue just for the sake of arguing. Kyle has managed to make a living doing something he enjoys. I think it is awesome. I have a sneaky suspicion that the folks that give him a hard time are jealous and simply unhappy with their own lives.
@@cjw6454 the whole concept of TPi is wrong, they should have never started it in first place and use TBi system instead as succesfully used in snowmobiles for years. KTM TBi just needs oil pump to be road legal and all sorted.
I ended up buying my 2020 xcw 300 becauseof finding your channel and haven't regretted it for one moment. It puts nothing but a smile on my face every time I ride. I haven't done the idle mod, but haven't needed to yet but from what your saying about fine tuning in this video, I 'll reconsider it. Thanks for all that you do Kyle. Have a good one brother.
get your ecu reflashed by tpi tuning adventures jhon ross can reprogram it to throw more oil at it and make it run as good as anything out there and while your at it ho ahead and send him your suspension im a 63 yr old rider n alot of younger riders are shocked what my 22 300 can do now
Kyle I don’t think you personally have enough experience with carbed bikes… you’ve been riding for a few years now only and within a very short period of time have had nothing but the best of the best. I won’t deny the Ktm group homes are phenomenal, however the maintenance and the ability to quickly and easily tune and modify a carbed bike is undeniable.
You’re mistaken if you think he doesn’t have enough time on carbed bikes. He’s been riding a “short period” however in that short period he’s put in a lot of time on all types of bike and I’d easily say more time than you or a lot of people in these comments. It’s just naive to try and discredit his experience. However I would greatly agree with you. Carbed bikes are like old diesel motors. So beautiful and simple. And the cost to maintain is low. I’ve got a 18 tc250 that I absolutely love. Along with a 22 yz450f I only really ride mx but it’s drastically cheaper and easier to maintain the 250. I’ve gotten to be around a buddy with the new 23 300sx and I’ve got to say. It’s not that much more complicated to maintain.
I’ve had 3 TPI bikes and have over 300 hours between them with no issues other than basic adjustment of the air screw and a idle adjustment screw. I currently have a 22 Sherco with a Smartcarb and a 23 Husky TPI. The Sherco runs good with the Smartcarb, but it took a lot of trial and error to get dialed in and still requires some adjustment at extreme elevations and temperatures and has an off idle gurgling that is common with carburetord bikes. Husky TPI runs perfectly everywhere. I’m not buying another carbureted bikes.
I bought a 2022 Gas Gas MC 250 for woods riding. It's super light, very simple, relatively inexpensive, and runs great. I've ridden it back to back with a 2022 EX 300 that was tuned and to be honest I preferred my bike. You could feel the weight difference quite a bit and the softer power delivery of my carbureted bike was a bit easier to deal with in the tight and slick conditions we were riding in. I've ridden from sea level to six thousand feet and I don't have any complaints about how the engine responds. All that being said fuel injection can be amazing. I'm sure the response and power of the new TBI bikes is hard to beat. A lot of us just like the mechanical simplicity of a less complex platform. And it would be nice if there was always that option going forward. I hate the fact that much of this is driven by ridiculous environmental regulations as well. Thanks for all the great videos and information man. We all just need to get along and go riding, cheers. 😀👍
Problem is my carbed 300xc absolutely runs better than the TPI bike. The dyno shows it makes more power than a TBI, I'm not that concerned about a horse or 2 and will most likely own a TBI soon, I'll keep my carbed 300 though to tinker with. The TPI bikes where designed for euro 5 emissions, and cost way to much to tune and still not match a carbed bike after a couple grand. Almost no one is trashing the TBI bikes. The TPI was a mistake on the competition models it worked for some but for those that like a crisp 2 stroke it never measured up.
I have a 2023 husqvarna 300 tpi. I've done 150 hours with zero problems. I've not changed a spark plug. I never had the tank off the thing. It's had a 30-hour oil change, and it constantly has a dirty air filter. The tpi is amazing.
I don't have anything against the EFI 2T but I think they should keep a version with carb and kickstarter. This reminds me the day Honda stopped making 2T... they killed all the fun and that's the reason I have a 2008 KTM 300xc today.
Almost all dirt bike test videos are made by individuals like Kyle that live at higher elevations with great changes in altitude during a ride. I live at 380' above sea level with very little altitude change in a three state area. I have owned literally dozens of two stroke dirt bikes with carbs and have never had an issue with carburator tuning. The most I've ever had to do was adjust a needle clip position when I first bought a new bike. Next point is the tpi/fuel injected bikes are too expensive and like I said at my altitude isn't necessary anyway. I'm looking to buy a used 2017/18 ktm 250/300. That would still be carburated, counter balanced and have a kick start. Not everyone rides out west or rides at and above 5000 feet!
2017 ktm/husky is shit, they already cancled their contract with keihin and made a contract with mikuni to supply them for another year, before they had the tpi. I heard very often that they can be very hard to set up) get running right.
@@kakiho6981 I put a Lectron Billetron on my 17 KTM and it's straight pissed off compared to the stock crap carb. It runs so well and has so much power paired with the FMF Gnarly pipe.
@@Jon-wf1sn Okay, yeah for some guys it works straight up but if it isn't running well they're hardly able to jet it. But I haven't worked on one myself. I also never used a Lectron carb because I always had a Keihin carb on my bikes which I was able to tune perfectly to my altitude, tempreture and prefered power curve.
@WolfieMel I kept the original Keihin carb as a spare/back up. Cleaned the jets and air passages and replaces the lines. If I ever need to install it, she's ready to go.
KYLE,IN THE 60S I HAD A GREEVES 250,IT DIDNT EVEN HACE A PIPE,JUST A 12 INCH PIECE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN,IT WAS A GREAT RUNNING BIKE ,NEVER HAD TO DO ANYTHING BUT RIDE IT,I USED TO CHASE JACK RABITS WITH IT,SO MUCH FUN..IM 84 NOW AND I RIDE A KMX 125 ITS A GOOD ONE TOO,VERY WELL BALANCED,GREETINGS FROM THE PHILIPPINES KYLE AND FAMILY
I read a lot of the comments and agree regardless the complexity of the new EFI strikers, however I bought one any way. 19 TE250i and admittedly had to change a fuel filter and a spark plug on the trail, but only because I stupidly confused the change interval. But I’ve got to say the thing runs like a Swiss watch, no hiccups no fouled plugs from lugging it to much. Never had to blow it out to save a plug, great torque down low, super over rev ( yeah it’s the 250 ) I just love it. As for the suspension I sunk $1300 into it and now it’s as good as a stock 2022. Which is awesome by the way. And E-start, and no mixing gas, did I say no mixing gas. I got a 2 stroke that will go 400 mile before I need to ad more 2stroke oil. That means SoCal Desert or what ever. Uses a lot less gas to. I can get 120 miles on a tank. That’s like a 4 stroke. Then the very best part, they sound sooo good. And they look trick with that sick pipe and silencer. There’s my thoughts, but but really riding is just plain fun! See you out there. Peace!
Sherco 300 SE Factory with Smart Carb > anything EFI. The TPI and now TBI ‘upgrade’ didn’t come from better performance, they came from emissions standards. If a company makes over a certain amount of bikes per year, they are regulated by the EU emissions board… which is why KTM is required to run lean and marketed EFI as ‘the future’. You can’t bypass that ratio for more torque.
I feel like this video is directed towards me because my 21 TX300i was the worst bike ive ever owned. AND.... I was very vocal about it. I never emailed Kyle about it though...I took it to the dealership multiple times to reflash the ECU. I was admittedly stubborn and refused to add more money to an already $11000 plus TPI bike when my brothers 2016 YZ250x would SPANK it everywhere in the power curve. Didnt matter if it was summer or winter either. However, I have never said that KTM are ruining two strokes. I sold my TPI bike and got a 2022 TC 250 slightly used and converted it to a TX300 with the powerparts kit and 18" rear wheel. Love it. I think the TBI makes more sense now and I would like to try one. I LOVE the counter balanced motors they have. They are so smooth. Sorry Kyle..... BUT I WAS PISSED AT THE TIME TOO!!!!!!!
Wow, a Yamaha YZ250x competing with a 300i? There is definitely something wrong guy. My grandson has a YZ250x and it doesn’t stand a chance against my KTM 300xc-w TPI which is basically the same bike as yours as I understand it. Keep pushing the dealer to reflash the ECU or something…. That ain’t right.
I can’t really disagree. To be fair though the TPI bikes aren’t perfect and can be difficult to troubleshoot (but for the most part the community has figured out most issues now). TBI remains to be seen if they have fewer issues than TPI (like CCPS, etc).
my whole point when i was a kid was that i took the 2 stroke bikes over the 4 stroke because everything down to crank replacement i could do in an afternoon or two and as a high school kid it made life much easier especially because i had to pay for it. and back then only 4 stroke bikes were fuel injected for the most part. not to mention my 2 strokes allways started in a kick or two hot or cold reguardless of where i was because i learned how a carb works and once i set it up it was fine. that said those fuel injected bikes will all ways make more ponies than any carbed bike on any day of the week anywhere.
Yep oil pump is a major issue. You change your bikes often so probably don't care. I've a 2017 300 EXC six day bike. I can say its lasted better than the TPi bikes over this time frame and hundreds of hours.
Kyle you are out of line a bit based on my experiences and other KTM owners I know. But I do understand where your perspective is from. My 2022 KTM 300 XC was a TPI piece of crap. It siezed 2 times in the 1st 7 hours. I had one of the 1st ones in N. America. The dealers and KTM could not diagnois why. I can send you copies of the info, bills, emails,... After the 2nd siezure KTM put a new crate motor in it and after 4 hours I changed it to a TBI (relocated 1 fuel injector to in front of the reeds) and removed the oil pump system and changed to 100% premix and it runs and performs 100% better. I also adjusted the air throttle screw (air bypass). And installed the adjustable idle speed screw. Finally it is reliable. Then I got rid of the stupid KTM ECU and installed a Coober ECU. Outboards and snowmobiles have been fuel injected for about 20 years so KTM with its 2 strokes is so far behind and should have no issues. Learn from others!! But they do have issues. KTM has a lot of reliable issues like with their 790 and 890 ADV, TPI bikes (the dealers and KTM could not fix my bike). The KTM engineers messed up big time, They need to "get with the program." You never inject straight gas into the transfer ports where on start up there is no oil for lube. And at high throttle openings where the vacuum has dropped off (on 2 strokes not 4 strokes) the oil does not all get sucked up through the crankcase, the transfer ports and into the cylinder. So many, 100's I know of who when they removed the reed cage found way too much oil sitting in the reeds and on the down stream side (entrance to the crackcase) surrounding area as it was not drawn into the motor.
@chadrides914 Done my first top end rebuild on my 2019 300 TPI at 219 hours pal..with NO issues whatsoever..But I maintain my bikes better than what's in the books.
Because the TPI bikes are fine. I have a 2021 300xcw I bought off the showroom floor, I ride 2x a week and follow the maintenance schedule in the manual. Zero issues. If you ride your bike once a month and leave it in the shed the rest of the time, ya, you might have issues. There's also always the one offs that have a bad experience but thats every bike out there. Beyond that, there's a huge secondary market on YT to complain about anything and everything. Everyone I actually know with a TPI loves it
@@albertsammut433 i ran a 1998 RMX250 for 8 years with no failures (other than a power valve spring). when i changed the piston at over 400 hrs, the old piston looked brand new, and afterward i could tell no performance difference. but that's with a lot of low RPM riding.
I don't know how anyone can complain about fuel injection for 2 strokes. It's such an awesome idea and this latest generation of TBI bikes are amazing. I'm excited for what they're doing for 2 strokes.
Ist garbage they are to complicater, you new a laptop to work on it you depend on dealer to fix it they have weak motor, no kick start to many parts to complicated...................
they change the design and parts completely each year, so finding any sort of repalcements after it breaks will be a nightmare to find and for your wallet. And for what? YZ250 #1
Why is everyone so scared of fuel injection? I guarantee everybody who cries about a fuel injected bike drives a fuel injected car or truck. I just wish all the manufacturers would get back into the 2stroke trend. I'm a big Honda fan, and I would 100% buy a new CR250.
Agree, spot on. EFI 2T run amazing and people need to get with the times. No manufacturers are performing R&D like KTM and it's important to support them to keep the industry going.
Buncha dog frog bull crog. Plenty of mfgs are developing 2 strokes. KTM just has the biggest marketshare. Their electronic power valve was taken from TM, as well as their new TBI system. Sherco, Beta, and TM all stomp KTM brand on any day of the week.
@@rollypollyraviolli4474I personally own both a Beta and KTM. Like them both and are great bikes for different reasons. I like the Beta oil injection design from a simplicity perspective and it works well. I'd be interested to see what they come up with in 2024 in terms of efi. The point is the bigger companies like KTM are taking the initial hit to lead the transition to EFI. Its inevitable, and has allowed the smaller manufacturers more time to come up with a solution. This will aid them to survive as they will follow lessons learned from KTMs transition along the process.
@@brook_slider TM was making production 2t motorcycles with electric start, electronic powervalve, and TPI before KTM was. They switched to TBI two years ago. KTM isn't leading anything, it is the biggest of the Euros with the most advertising bucks. Most Euros aren't even permitted in AMA racing because of homologation rules, so they're effectively barred from that kind of exposure.
@@brook_slider Stock slide was a 6.5. Had a rich burble on crack of throttle. I ground my slide to a 7.5 (can only buy full steps), and everything was fixed. I run the same jetting year round from 0-2000' elevation and only have to adjust the air screw. Also, I can adjust throttle response with my jetting instead of running it to a dealership to get it reprogrammed. Glad you figure out your jetting! Message me if you want to try the slide mod!
I've had carb bikes for 20+ years. Never had one run bad and need adjusting unless it was changed from standard. Fuel injection is good, carbs are more reliable in the long run.
If it wasn’t for the price tag, I would buy one and give ‘em a try. Me personally, I picked up a 2005 300 EXC last year and that was my first taste of the 2-stroke world. Got the jetting dialed for my riding areas. Home is 3900, mountain riding is 6000-10000 give or take and I know what jets and adjustments to make to ride in both places. Probably going to splurge on a Lectron this summer and that will be good enough for me. Hats off the the real innovators, Lectron and Smart Carb for keeping the OG 2-strokes relevant for us peasants in society lol I’m sure your tpi and tbi bikes run great, but I’ll go anywhere you go, and have just as much fun doing it on my old trusty carbureted steed.
@@bkh5746 i know they are different worlds, but go to the motocross track and you'll see thats not true. tons of people out there are always riding brand new bikes. its more common to see a brand new bike at an mx track than it is to see a 10 year old bike
@@beauhawk1146 jetting isn’t a huge pain in the butt, but it is a slight inconvenience. To each their own but $500 to never have to mess with it again is worth it in my book. I only gave 3,500 for the bike, so 4,000 total after I get the Lectron and I’ll be able to ride anywhere and not have to worry about anything.
I think it depends on 2 things. Elevation/temp change during a ride How you ride If one encounters large variations in either temperature or elevation or both during a ride then TBI (or even TPI) will definitely perform better than if you dont adjust your carburetor. If however your temp and elevation swings are minimal and your carb bike is jetted correctly to begin with those small changes can be made into a non issue with small air screw adjustments. Secondly some people simply prefer how a carb delivers low end power. TM for example lets you order their bikes with the only difference being either a carb or TBI… your choice. Choice is a good thing. A mechanical carb may not have the same broad range of usability with no adjustments but it wont ever break. I think the bigger truth is many people do not know how to correctly jet a carbureted 2 stroke and TBI or TPI is a great thing for them. A manual transmission in a sports car may not be as quick around a race track as a dual clutch paddle shifted automatic but Porsche still sells plenty of manuals! Choice is a good thing!
I agree with this for the most part except the part about carbs don't break. I've personally dealt with a brand new bike that had a carb float issue causing all the fuel to pour out into the woods on the first ride. I've also had needles wear and cause the bike to run like trash. Carbs are not perfect. I'm glad people still have a choice but I'll never again willingly buy a carbureted motorcycle ever again.
More people live east of the Mississippi than west of it by a large margin. With that said not everyone lives out west and rides huge elevation changes.
Snowmobile's have had injected two strokes for at least a decade. Isn't there any cross talk between dirt and snow? In fact, ski-doo has been using direct-injection for a bunch. I am hoping for the return of two stroke road bikes its so good. (clean) The UK has at least one company making a road two stroke that you can get right now. I agree with you. Carbs are great but you have to fiddle with them all the time to be "perfect".
Power everywhere on the 23' 300. White map if you want reasonable power. Green map if you want a rocket. Super cool to have kind of have two bikes in one with a push of a button. Thank you electronic power valve and TBI.
There's been fuel injected two stroke outboards and snowmobiles (including my 2007 M1000) for years. You don't see anyone wanting their carbs back in those circles! New models and new tech always requires some time to work out the kinks but my next bike is definitely going to be TBI.
I argued this point with Kyle, back in 2015ish, for hours, now look where we are. Oh, and I've still got a heavily modded,, 06, M7, that's my spare sled.
@Cam N Fair enough. However, I picked this up for 6k ready to ride(pipe,silencer, skidplate etc.) I had lots of money left to add a smartcarb and proper suspension. No oil pump,fuel pump, injectors,ecu, etc. I'll sacrifice a little performance for simplicity. I'm 40 years old and will never be fast enough to need more.
@@nick4872 the deal you got on your bike is not what this thread is about Nick. It’s about is a carb better than TPI and is technology improving the bikes. Good for you that you got a good deal and ride what you bring and be happy you are riding. You getting a good deal is not relevant to the narrative. I’m a fast 55 yr old rider and I will take the TPI over the carb every time. Every bike will break when abused. Treat whatever bike you bring well and maintain it well and you won’t have to walk home.
Kyle, over the years, I have really appreciated the work you have done on your channel, especially your bike reviews. So please don't take this personally. 😊 But I vehemently disagree with the content of this video. Here are 4 reasons why: 1. The main reason carb bikes don't run well for most people is simply because they do NOT know how to tune them. My father is a carb guru, and we have ridden many carbed 2-strokes over the years, including the bikes we have now, that run great. In fact, I think our current carbed bikes run better than the EFI bikes I've ridden. The EFI bikes have too soft of a bottom end. My 2022 Sherco SE 250 Factory will smoke my friends 2021 KTM 250 XC, all the way through the powerband. 2. A big reason why people complain about the EFI bikes, and is the reason I won't buy one, is because they have had terrible experiences with them, not just because of what they've seen on the Internet. I have heard and seen first hand so many horror stories from people I know that I am not willing to take a chance on them, especially since our carbed bikes run phenomenal....like today, and 25 years ago. 3. 2-strokes were never going to die, and KTM sure as heck can't take the credit for "saving" them. The hot 4-stroke trend started before you started riding back around the year 2000. People jumped on the bandwagon and started buying the 4-strokes. But over time, a lot of those same people realized the hot 4-strokes weren't what they were cracked up to be, and they started migrating back to 2-strokes. 2-strokes were already making a comeback before KTM went to EFI. 4. A huge reason Beta and Sherco are becoming so popular is because enough people have had bad experiences with the EFI bikes, and they want to go back to a carb. It's because people DON'T want EFI that those other brands are thriving. In effect, KTM is helping those other brands because they are losing market share to the brands with carbs. The biggest reason KTM is the biggest brand is because they hit their stride with the off-road market several years before Beta and Sherco, not because they make a superior product. Don't get me wrong, I am not a KTM hater. It's just that every time I ride a 2020 or newer KTM, Husky, or Gas Gas, it feels like a disappointment compared to our Betas and Sherco. I really do appreciate your passion, Kyle, but I think it's important for the truth to be known.
OK enough bull. Fact is until a EFI has a slide TB it will NEVER have as much hp as a slide carb. Butterfly TB have flow restrictions. Do your research. I will never buy a efi until it has a slide TB. 100% a carb 250 and 150 makes more hp than the efi counterparts. Efi usually runs better through the rpm range if you compare to a untuned carb ktm. Furthermore I need reliability when I'm 80 km into the bush. I need a kick start and minimal electronics. So ya buy efi so I can buy your carb bikes! I think the best example is the tbi 150s vs the carb 150s. Research dyno runs. There down 5hp compared to a carb bike. That's huge.
Until KTM fixes the CCPS sensor problem, I’ll stick with a carb’d bike. Many people I know who have tpi bikes have to keep a ccps sensor around and have the failure often. With as much hell as we put these machines through here, reliability is the name of the game.
Failed sensor will just make the bike not run 100% clean but it will still be rideable. many people dont even notice their sensor is bad. Also in europe it costs something like 30 dollars.
I went to Sherco because of owning a 2018 and 2020 250 xcw tpi that did not want to start in temperatures colder than 60 degrees. They didn't idle after 5 to 10 hours no matter what I did to tune it. In 2020 my 2020 KTM crank case sucked in at 50 hours and also took out the main bearing. The KTM rep told me that it was an old bike with a lot of hours and wouldn't help me with it. That's why I went to a 2021 Sherco with over a 110 hours on it now and that bike has been solid.
I have to echo the sentiment of those saying that jetting is just not that critical for more than half the country & there is a very set it & forget it situation for most. That guy who says that his bike ran great on that one day is not really reality for most people because we jet it & maybe change it in the middle of the winter or summer. I just sold my carbed 2018 XCW because of life changes & it killed me to do it because when I buy another 2 stroke I wont be buying a KTM. Yes, the new bikes run nice but there are just too many horror stories. That guy that had that nice running 2 stroke on that day back 25 years ago never had a sensor fail or his engine seize twice in 7 hours because he had control of his destiny & was not relying on UNRELIABLE parts to get him through. That's what it comes down to. I own a modern 4 stroke (not a KTM) I like it because there's not an endless amount of vids showing regular guys taking their bikes apart showing what happened this week. It's not how absolutely perfect the jetting is. It's just hat KTM doesn't have the reliability down & just wait until they start incorporating more & more off shore parts into their engines. Kyle is a straight up fan boy & is giving us that unnecessary laugh at the beginning of his vids like a regular actor. Just like KTM, his delivery is changing. I'd buy a Beta or Reiju before I bought a new KTM 2 stroke. Yes, I have a fuel injected car but I also have a KTM fuel injected 4 stroke MX bike as well as a non KTM off road bike because I was tired of spending 2 grand to fix the joke of a suspension that KTM gave us for a decade. . For 2 strokes, KTM is still walking around in the dark, not fixing poor part quality related issues when they arise. Moving manufacturing of the parts that comprise these bikes off shore will only prolong their suffering. . No thanks.
It's comical that you made the comment about 500's being unrideable... you've clearly never ridden a 500 in the woods. Everyone has this misconception that they are unruly monsters but they are quite fun to ride and very manageable. You can't run around on the pipe all the time but it's really not that hard to ride a 500 efficiently in the woods.
Most people who review bikes on the internet seem like they don't have any idea what they're talking about. Just in from a day riding with my buddy. A 520RFS and a 300exc. Everyone with a two stroke always ends up trading bikes with me so the can ride my 520 when they are tired. I agree. Having an excess of power means you always have power and never have to work the bike to get power out of it.
He has to post this or KTM won't send him anymore free bikes. My YZ will eat those orange bikes and cost a fraction to maintain. Plus Japanese parts are available everywhere. Keep Two Mechanics (KTM) what a joke.
Just baught a 2024 300sx, and I have to say... It is the best running bike I've ever had. It makes riding an absolute blast, and now i enjoy moto even more. I'll see you guys on the trails! It's all about the smiles and the fun, and this bike does it every time.
Totally agree with Kyle. I have the first TPI Six Days and it ran perfect all the time. There are as so much negativity online, I’m guessing from non owners listening to rumours with no solid opinion. The old “I know a guy” or “my mate had one and said” 😂
CArbs work fine for 6 days too. What happens when it's left in the garage a couple years? A carb needs a soak, EFI needs injectors, pump, etc. I like it, but it's not perfect.
i’m sixty , grew i up on twos … i like to ride one . throttle body, or tune port injected which is it or different on kTM s. it’s revolutionary to the twos …. old guy here
I’m 43 and grew up on 2 strokes .. you are correct.. constant tuning and re jetting was a reality.. shoot I’d take one of these KTM any day ... technology evolves it’s just how it is .. don’t get me wrong the most fun I’ve ever had was on carbureted 2 strokes but good change is good change
I ride a yz250. Not even an x. I KNOW its downfalls. I've been riding with a good friend that has a sherco factory 300 and it's super nice. Personally I dont trust KTMs reliability and I dont think I could part ways with the KYB suspension.
I had a Suzuki 1979 DS185, it was a carb with direct oil injection. I owned the bike for 15 years. Probably my favourite, most reliable bike I’ve ever owned. I’m looking forward to taking delivery of my new KTM 300 XC-W. Totally glad a manufacturer finally had the “BALLS “ to develop this bike !!!!!
I personally had a 19 tx300 and a 21 300xc and the 21 felt sluggish and underpowered I sold the 21 and kept the 19. I'm excited to see what the tbi is like but did not like the power from the tpi. Not a bad bike I just didn't like it.
if you get a chance to ride a pre ‘17, KTM two stroke, then do it… You’ll notice the counter balancer killed all of the power in these 17+ bikes. granted non-counterbalanced bikes vibrate more but power difference is night and day difference.
ktm had to go efi because of the EU emissions regulations. they make so many units that they were forced to. beta and sherco don't move as many units and are not required to comply with the EU standards. trust me, if ktm wasn't required to go efi they wouldn't.
As the CEO of Sherco said: We see no reason to switch to TPI if the carburator runs better. Every enduro bike I rode which had a Keihin carburator always ran perferctly. Even better with tuning. But they never bugged whatsoever, even when running very rich. And even if I change my jetting from summer to winter, it's still way less work (and cheaper) than replacing the oil pump filter etc every 80h as KTM says. Also from what I've seen you put way more work into figuring out how to get your TPIs tuned well then any normal person would. A normal person wouldn't even realize that their KTM doesn't run as well as their other KTM from the previous year as you often mentioned that this was the reason you understood how to tune it. I don't claim KTM ruined the 2 stroke whatsoever. By now they can get their bikes to run as good as a normal carburator. They had to do it, other brands didn't have to. I prefer the simplicity. And I don't know how long you run yout bikes for, but I assume under 100/150 hours. The pistons of TPI engines (especially 2018 models (in europe)) but also 2019 models last significantly less to a bike with carb. I have no expertise on 2020 models onwards. As I said: they get on the level of the carb which is awesome, while adjusting themself also. That is a huge +. However simplicity, tunabilty, etc. of a carb is a plus on their side too.
I agree with Kyle here..People need to stop bagging KTM and maintain their bikes more and better..I bought a brand new first gen 300 TPI and had put 152 hours on it with no issues at all running only Motorex lubes in it..But silly me reading some people's issues with failed oil pumps I disconnected mine and ran 50:1 premix..Straight away it didn't run as good and cleanly...so I just installed a new pump for peace of mind..Sold it with 362 hours on the clock and apart from a top end refresh it still went like a cut cat.
I have no issue with ktm having ridden them from 1998 to 2002. I was leery of TPI with its oil starvation problems and water ingress problems. I think tbi solves those issues and will be the blueprint for future bikes. Likely after I destroy my smart carb equipped 2007 yz250 I'll eye a KTM or variant.
@@AmateurHourProdu I love it, granted it's not perfect and you will end up with a tiny flat spot in the mids tuning it's jetting is as easy as shutting the bike off, holding the throttle open, pressing and twisting a knob up top. I mainly got one for my YZ to get 50+ miles on the stock tank for harescrambles.
I grew up riding 2 strokes. Been riding mostly 4 strokes. Still rode buddies 2 strokes. They were the same old thing. This new TBI bike. 300 motor Is magical. Revs out like a 250 pulls consistently through the whole power curve. Unreal.
yep. never rode one, but knew they would be amazing. my job for a while was running big diesels on a dyno. the HEUI electronic hydraulic fuel injection added so much torque it was insane. the mechanical injected engines would just lug down at anything below rated RPM, while the new stuff keeps holding full rated HP as the RPM drops. torque numbers just keep climbing. we are talking 1400 HP at 2000 RPM and then still pulling 1400 HP down at 1600 RPM. i thought one was going to blow up during "torque check", but of course an electronically monitored engine will derate its itself when in trouble. so much for emissions progress making us loose power eh! the technology-push forced development of some incredible machinery. the new bikes show a similar result in gains and its why they pull so hard. they are going to impress a lot of riders. if you are new to the TBI/EFI bikes... the 150 goes like a 200. the 250 pulls like a 300. i can only guess what the 300 feels like... what would you say guys?
Keep carbureting cool videos like this for the community 😊But just to mention KTM is probably the most notorious off-road brand at the moment and is pushing forward the 2s technology but TM Racing assembled its bikes with TPI and then TBI technology before KTM and it’s a boutique brand with high quality handmade bikes producing around 3000/year not 300000. KTM didn’t create the tech TPI or TBI they just made it famous in 2s, only that which is already an important step. Yamaha R3 was one of the first models to feature TPI technology when it was introduced in 2017. TBI technology was first introduced by Bosch in the early 1980s, and it quickly became a popular method of fuel injection for vehicles.
Absolutely 100% concerned about the fuel injected bikes. KTM has used its buyers as guinea pigs for way too long. The serviceability by the home mechanic cannot be more overstated. Tuneability is just a part of life that you accept as a carb bike owner. When your TPI bike stops running forget about getting out a screwdriver to fix it. Just bought a new Beta 300RR. You’re right about the Japanese manufactures, they have just ignored the Enduro market completely. I don’t get it, I would happily have bought a Yamaha YZ 300 WR with a six speed counterbalanced electric start motor any day of the week over anything else…if it were available. Your rant went in one ear and out the other regarding fuel injection though dude. Sorry.
Except I remember when you sang the TPI praises, and we all know where that went. Every Year for the KTM is the latest, greatest best thing out there. At least the consumer is allowing KTM to allow them to be the unpaid tester.
Well, I had a 22 TX300i, and I'd take my 22 Sherco all day over that bike. It wasn't JUST the tpi. I prefer the ergonomics 100 times over that Husky. I also like the low end power WAY more. The Husky was fine. Nothing wrong with it. It was more capable than myself. However, it's all preference. My Keihin runs like butter. I LOVE all 2 strokes. Big or small, I love em all.
I agree. The cost of ktm dirt bikes two and four stroke are beyond my sensibilities. We han just as much fun and adventure back in the seventies on hodakas.
Why are you pissed off? Dirt bikes are just toys to be used for fun after all. Something hardly worth being pissed off about IMHO. There's a heck of a lot more serious and ugly things out in the world to be pissed off about. Enjoy your bikes and forget about what other people think!
I agree with your point. I wish I was 16 years younger though. I just don’t enjoy the 2t like I did growing up. So…for me…putting my hard earned money on a new bike every few years will be on a four stroke. Either way, people shouldn’t complain at all about these bikes, they sure do beat all the work we had to do in the 90’s to our CR’s to make them woods capable. Now they are good off the showroom floor! And it’s not a heavy pig xr250r. Be grateful internet!
The bikes are great if looked after properly and a lot of guys out there just run the god dam things until they break before considering maintenance along the way. I have a 2019 Tpi which has 250hrs on. Yes I did a rebuild at 200hrs and I have remapped the ECU for better performance at a pretty low cost compared with other stuff what's available. The bike is still a great bike running the original oil pump and crankcase pressure sensor with Zero electrical problems need I say anymore I love it and I know how to look after it with care. I work on the current GasGas TPi range and again they are great bikes. That's the one I would go for now if I were upgrading my KTM. Granted there have been problems along the way with TPi but the other manufactures that run carb's have other build quality issues that seem to go unnoticed. 🤷♂ Nice to have a rant every now and again Kyle because its good for the soul 👍
@@gpaull2 explain the number of Betas breaking down with flat batteries or Sherco’s needing clutches? From what I see there have been some cylinder issues most likely down to casting faults. There’s thousands of these bikes out there running good. It’s always the bad we hear about and that’s always highlighted. The hundreds of bikes I’ve seen sold on the whole have served there owners well. Some that have come back and I’m talking just a handful that were warranty claims and all resolved. The others I’ve seen have been operator error, Deep water , hole in radiator boiled dry , never cleaned causing electrical issues etc and there’s a lot of operator error out there unfortunately.
Aww. . .. But that sudden YEET energy from the old 2000's era japanese two strokes . . .. of course, I do agree, and I would absolutely opt for an EFI two stroke given the opportunity.
This is it.... This dude is like "I had 20 TPI bikes.... for one season..... I put 3 hours on each and they were PERFECT!" Im serious...... This dude is a dipshit at this point. Put a 1000 hours on a bike THEN come and tell me how great that bike is.
yeah sure ...my ktm 300 2008 work as fine as new ... maybe better.... i ride huskys and ktms tpi every time the same question in my mind ..." whats wrong with this bike?" they have a lot of problens and absolutely no more power!... for sure more expensive maintenance..no kyle tpi are not better ..we ll see after 12 years if a tpi bike works as my 2008... and how much you will spend in 12 years ...
So... I'm waiting to see what sherco release for their fuel injected two strokes, they've been working on their own development not making the customers do it like KTM! Pretty excited to get on one!
@@Jlow67WV which is ironic that they are only doing it because they have to. Goes to show that premium bike builders even know that fuel injection isn’t better.
Sherco’s had fuel injection before ktm lol they said they haven’t got it where they want it yet which is understandable. The fuel injection bikes don’t make as much power as carburetor ones. Honestly 80% of most ppl won’t notice it but is small Bore lovers deff notice lol but they still are good two strokes. Only problem I have is I don’t wanna carry a computer around with me to tune it like I had to with four strokes lol
There was a time tho not long ago no one knew anything about Sherco’s lol then me and buddy started selling them made a race team and found all the issues no one could help us with lol now their huge I. The states only cost us about 150k😂😂😂😂
@@johnallard9876 which makes an even stronger statement that they tried to go FI, and disliked it enough to go back to Carb. There’s just nothing to gain by it besides marketing and a slight bump in fuel economy.
Haven't you heard of all the engine issues with TPI? Lack of lube in right places pistons skuffing at low hours, jugs with imperfections, under lube over fuel? Time again KTM ignored
I own a TPI bike and have not had any issues.. many of these issues stem from people modifying and adjusting things they shouldn't (air-screw , power valves etc) or people that don't properly warm them up or put in the wrong oil or let it run empty..
I have a 2015 ktm250xc with 350 hours an a 2022 ktm250xc bone stock with 40 hours an zero issues bike runs great 0 issues! On either bike called proper matinence!
Have you heard? That pretty much sums up the fact that you know nothing but are spewing out the Internet "did you hear" crap. Go ride a few hundred hours on a TPI bike and then come back to us. Also, did you see Kyle's first top end rebuild vid on his 2019 TPI that was done by a pro shop? Go watch it, it's indicative of all the TPI cylinders, they look amazing after 150 hours of hell beating. I have lots of proof, do you?
They might run better but not longer…look into it. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen comments on forums about going through top ends much faster than with carbureted bikes. I’ll keep my tps carbureted yz250 and mix my gas…thanks but no thanks
Get a Rieju! You got me to buy a 2020 250xc because of your videos, and loved it! But, the suspension and price point of the Rieju is hard to beat! EFI or not, love anything two wheels! Have a good one, Kyle!
Yeah I have a MR250 Racing. Highly recommend! The bikes had a issue with the starter failing since the 18-19 gas gas bike. You could do a wet mod to it to eliminate it from failing but starting in 2022, Reiju updated it and completely eliminated that issue people were having. But hey even in previous years if the starter failed they still have a kickstart which I wish ktm still had haha! I would recommend the bike to anyone! I hope to see them start really growing in the states! Simple bike, everything quality, and seriously quite a bit more affordable.
In the very near future all manufacturers of 2 strokes will have to abandon the carburetor in order to meet emissions standards, KTM was left no choice because of the amount of 2 strokes they sell, European and American governments required them to meet the tougher standards before any other manufacturers, soon the other manufacturers no matter how many 2 strokes they sell will have to produce cleaner running bikes, KTM uses forward thinking as part of their business structure and it's put them so far ahead of the game, Japanese manufacturers are far more focused on immediate profit gains as part of their business structure which is why all of them abandoned 2 stroke R&D long ago and that's also why they focus primarily on motocross bikes and they are all very similar in design.
I have a 2022 TE300, bought used with 18hrs on it. It has a sputter/stutter just off throttle that drives me nuts. I can’t figure it out. I’ve tried warming it up every way the internet suggests, changed ccps & aaps, cleaned injectors, high octane non ethanol gas, fresh plug gapped correctly, clean air filter, nothing gets rid of it! Checked compression, it’s perfect. I wish I could be one of the guys that says “My bike runs flawlessly” but I’m just not there…😔
Curious if you have the air screw and idle screw mod? I had to do those and the Tokyo off-road CCPS tray and new sensors. I die electric greased all connections. Also run the power valve flush and replaced the fuel filter. Might want to check the fuel filter again or replace it and clean the tank out. The filter is notorious for hairline cracking and hard to diagnose. Mine runs great now. Pissed me off for a long time. Shouldnt have to do all that to a new bike but is what it is now. I have close to 100 hrs
Also check the line and fitting from the oil pump to the cylinder head. Take a pin or something small and stick it though to clear it out. I heard a lot of people’s reeds were caked with oil from the dummies at the dealerships putting the bikes together and priming the oil pump too much
@@stevenllewellyn8906 thanks man I’ll check that out. Something I didn’t check was the reeds. I just have the air bypass at 4 turns, didn’t do an idle screw yet but that’s my next step. Talked to a couple people that had similar problems, one guy said he put a high comp head with an ecu download from tps along with the idle screw & his was resolved. Whether it was the idle screw that did it or the ecu, he wasn’t sure. I’d just like to get it running good 1st before I start upgrading
@@rhouser1280 no worries. I know it’s frustrating. Getting the air bypass screw adjusted with the idle screw helped out a lot. Still have pipe bang but stuck with that till I do a tuner.
Idk about saving the game I believe they went FI because they sell to many machines and had to to get epa cert in the US at least . I might be off on that but that’s what I think .
All these people whining about fuel injection probably use fuel injected cars and trucks to carry their bikes to the trail or track. Hmmmmm. I specifically bought a WR250R over most other supermotos because I love fuel injection. Carbs are cheap and fairly reliable. But EVERY carb owner I know, has carb issues or can’t ride because something carb related. So to see 2 strokes finally bring fuel injected has me excited to get into a 2 stroke, when they become affordable which is the only major downside I see with it. They’re expensive. Cmon Yamaha. Drop a YZ250X with tpi
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My only complaint about TPI and TBI is affordability. I'm excited to buy your well-maintaned used one in about 5 years. I'll continue to complain about the lack of kick-start options though. Cheers!
I agree. The whole ktm lineup is too expensive for me. My dealer wants full msrp plus a $600 setup fee and a $250 doc fee!
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There is kits to put a kick starter on and still keep the electric start
@@GetFaithified not anymore, the case doesn’t have a spot for the kickstart. Honestly it’s not an issue. The starting systems on the bikes are very very good.
@@GetFaithified yup.. add another $500 for a grossly overpriced dirtbike...
My take as a 50+ year motorcycle rider, both dirt and street: No doubt, the 2023 XCs are fantastic. I have two friends with them, and I have ridden one of their bikes. Impressive engine, and the suspension seemed fine as well.
But...lets admit, there are more potential single point failure items on these new bikes than we have on a carbureted bike that also has a kickstarter. I have experienced that on the trails with not just one, but several riders (I also have friends with TPI bikes, and new Betas without kickstarters).
IF you are going to buy and ride one of these newer bikes, I implore you to learn how it functions, what its fuses do, what its sensors do, what the idiot lights on the dash mean, and learn whether or not you can start it if the battery dies! I've had to lend my mechanical and electrical knowledge to riders of these new bikes ON THE TRAIL to get their bikes started so we could finish the ride or even start the ride! Sure, I've had to do that over the years with carbed bikes as well, but the complexity of these new bikes adds a whole new set of potential problems to diagnose. If you never ride more than a short walking distance from your truck, you probably don't need to worry. But if you typically ride hours away from your truck and far from cell service, I strongly suggest you learn all that you can about these new machines.
One last point, and I believe others have commented on this as well, Kyle never keeps a bike very long. When you keep a bike 300-500 or more hours, routine maintenance becomes a must. The old carb/kickstart bikes are pretty simple in that respect. Not so these newer fuelie bikes.
Get out and ride!!!
Yup he hasn't had any issues with them but he only keeps a bike for a few months and replaces it with another one. That's not realistic for most folks. I think he would posting a different rant if he got one of the lemons out there or started having electrical issues after a couple years of use. They sure aren't easy for the average guy to trouble-shoot espcially out in the field. Yeah, yeah carburator bikes don't run as good but they can give years of reliable service and are cheap and easy to fix. Why do they need to run perfect? They just need to run well enough to have some fun and satisfy your riding needs. They sure did for many years before FI ever became a thing on dirt bikes.
Well said.i have 2018 tpi and have left it on the the trail once and walked a couple of miles back to my pick up.the more hours the more problems show up.
@@lowstakescrusher Battery, e-start system, oil injection system, fuel fump, wiring harness, FI sensors, fuel filters, fuel injectors are all addtional electronic items that need maitenance/inspection that bikes equipped with carbs and kickers don't have. Any of the above fail and your bike isn't running.
@@lowstakescrusher Completely disagree with your assessment but your entitled to your opinion. I would suggest visting a KTM forum where you can in fact find that all of the above items require maintenance. Even wiring harnesses require anti-corrosion maintenance.
@@lowstakescrusher knowing what sensor to replace when one fails. waiting to get one from a local dealer. replacing starters, batteries and the fuel pump. i could go on.
Kyle started a new cycle and is jacked up.
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Fuckin good lol
@Rhys Hutchinson TBI possibly.
@@Exuberator is that Total Body Injections?
The main problem is the TPI sensor all it has to do is get hit hard or get water in it in the bike cuts off. You are right when fuel injection works its great. But even if my carb setting are off it will still run and not leave me stranded.
@dickpound298 They don't have an O2 sensor, so cool story bro
so do you still have a untuned carb on your truck
You understand nothing, there is no 2Stroke without efi
@@cedrikwepunkt6250 And your stupid .I have a Yamaha 125yz and 250yz both 2 strokes 2022 and no efi .Even the 2024 still uses a carb. .
Glad your experience has been so good. Not everyone's has. These bikes were developed to pass emissions. They are undeniably more problematic than a carbed bike. No, I'm not comparing it to my twenty-five-year-old YZ250 on a perfect day. I'm comparing them to my 2018 te300 with a Billetron carb that I ride in various elevations regularly. I have no oil pump or tps sensor to worry about. It's the best running and most reliable bike I've ever had.
Glad someone's talking sense on this. It's not only runability it that it won't run. Megsbraap is just one example aside from my personal experiences.
@@jeffreysmith9154 What happened with Meg's bike? Was curious but never followed up
I am the original owner of a 1991 CR500 bought it new I ride off road had it ported to smooth out the hit added flywheel RG3 suspension mods fmf gnarly pipe desert tank IMS pegs scotts stabilizer I'm now 60 years old lots of hrs riding desert & forest single track this bike has never failed me, oh did I mention about a year ago I added a smart carb and it's bad ass I can ride anywhere here in So Cal from Ocotillo wells to Kennedy Meadows the bike is low maintenance no power valve to clean or adjust I have other bikes but I really like the 500 low maintenance.
But have you had a 300tpi?
My 2020 TPI bike runs flawlessly - but I still wish my bike was carbed. Just because of the crank case pressure sensor issues. I wish the sensor itself was developed for dirt bikes and I wish the system was better designed. Still love my bike though
Possibly the 2023 models have got most of the problems sorted out. But I don't think your sample group of three is statistically valid. You'd need a much bigger sample group to speak with authority. If you speak confidentially with mechanics who've had a lot to do with TPI models there have definitely been many cases which prove there are serious issues. They aren't all caused by the owner!
Very true. Even if the majority are hitting problems, a failure rate of, say, 10% in the first year is a real problem. For example, Beta two strokes in 2018 and 2019 had around a 5 to 10% rate of seizing due to manufacturing problems. Many owners said it was untrue because their bike was fine. but they were within the 90 to 95% who had no problems of course. Even the Beta factory enventually admitted the issue and the failure rate.
True. Known issues usually only occur in a limited number of cases which is why owners usually don't have the big picture. We know KTM mechanics who have told us of serious design flaws in the TPI system at least up to 2022.
Yes!
@@TractioneRag Two years ago I spoke with a KTM mechanic who told me a lot of TPI bikes were seizing at low hours, to the point they were waiting months for top end rebuild kits. He said it was happening in other countries too. It was still only a minority of bikes, but definitely enough to be a known issue and cause a run on parts.
I've had my Sherco 300 2 stroke for over 18 months and it runs like a dream. I'll stick to carb thanks.
Carbs = reliability and simplicity.
Getting with the times = sacrificing reliabity.
I rode a 2023 300sx 3-4 months ago back to back with my built 2022 250sx. Both bikes are very fast, but the responsiveness and smooth power is something a carbed bike will never match. First time I’ve ever thrown my leg over a bike and thought “this bike is revolutionary.”
I'll sacrifice a tiny amount of imperfect tuning for not needing a fuel pump, wires and sensors that can go bad and leave you stranded.
Is your car carbed? Never had a fuel pump fail on any vehicle of mine
I fully concur. I Primarily race MX and have a 23 450 SX. I liked having an XC bike around so I could race the occasional woods races. I had a 14 250 XC I bought to beat around on in the woods and loved it but it was kind of dated so I bought a 350 XCF as I didnt like the TPI bikes. I also didnt like the 350 personally but I must add i had a Rekluse in it and it neutered the bike but was needed to prevent stalls. I sold the 350 a couple months ago and picked up a 23 300xc. i have been on these since 76 and competed in MX and off road for about 30 years. This 23 300XC is the most perfect 2 stroke bike I have ever ridden and the most fun to ride woods competition motorcycle I have ever ridden. Honestly the entire bike in my opinion is damn near perfect. i have cone valves on my 23 450 and expected to have to do major suspension work to this 300 but honestly even the suspension is decent.
The best part about 2 strokes is the simplicity. Bringing all this tech to two strokes is amazing, but there is a reason the YZ250 is still selling as well as it is. Also carbs like Smart carbs/Lectron are a fantastic middle ground solution and a great example of what can be achieved if they put more R&D into carbs instead of just jumping to EFI.
Price is why the YZ 250 sells as well as it does. Don't get me wrong...I am glad Yami still makes 2 strokes. KYB suspension is awesome.
@@bam14bam Then I wonder why Shercos with a carb sell so well too 🤔 I bought my YZ for the simplicity, I've dumped plenty of money into it that could have easily gone towards a KTM.
@@LizardHunter777 Because they haven't ridden the TBI yet. 🤣
@@bam14bam Please don't tell me you're talking about the fuel injection that they finally got to feel like a carb again 😂
@@LizardHunter777 Please don't tell me the carb is better because it's simpler. 🤣
Couldn't have said it better myself
I have a 22 300xc I've put 120 hrs on it in 8 months and it has never missed a beat
There so good. Thanks for the good content stay safe and ride hard
Love my 22 xc300
Damn, where do you live that allows you to ride so much?
@Aaron ___ Alabama. I practice in my front yard all the time. On the weekends I go to Highland Park in cedar town Georgia. Life is good
The exception for a carby bike is one fitted with a SmartCarb. Starts easily, doesn't have air/fuel mixture issues, uses less fuel and will run upside down!
More information on these smart cards please
I agree... I do not miss jetting. When I started racing with my brother, if was 2-strokes only, and we would often have to re-jet for a specific track, which was not a huge deal, to be honest, but one less thing to do with fuel injections and computer control. Then 2 strokes almost, completely went away, and that was super sad. Emission controls have become very, very strict. So, I applaud KTM for at least fighting the battle to keep 2-strokes alive.
I have a TPI and plan on getting a carb for my next one. Fuel pump, oil pump, two pressure sensors, two fuel injectors, ECU, throttle position sensor...all things that at best need periodic maintenance or replacement (not cheap) or worse could leave you stranded.
Exactly why I just bought a yamaha yz250x and selling my ktm 300tpi 22.
I would advise you to find a competent mechanic to work on your KTM next time. There is absolutely no way all those parts have actually failed on your bike. You have a “parts replacement specialist” working on your bike, not a mechanic.
@@mikeh423 My point was that those are all parts that carb bikes don't have, i.e. not have to give any concern to. Not that TPI has been unreliable for me, but some may just like a simpler system.
Ah, I can see it now. Head up to the trail head with your 1985 Chevy pickup with a 2002 cr250. Screw you technology.
@@markstone2877 🤣
I own a carbureted Sherco, have had carbureted KTM's, carbureted Beta's, and now own a TBI KTM. The TBI is good for sure. I mean it is real good. That said, the throttle response isn't quite as snappy as a well tuned carbureted 2 stroke, IMO. Fuel injection is nice as it will adjust for altitude, air temperature, etc. Carbureted bikes are less expensive in the long run. The fuel pumps need replaced in the TBI KTM every two years. I haven't checked the cost of these pumps but cost is cost. Still this rant is a bit over the top. Kyle if you love it and think TBI is the cats pajamas that's cool. Don't come down on folks that still prefer a carburetor. Both have their strengths and drawbacks. You are a TH-cam influencer, and there is an expectation that you'll get the usual haters, debbie downers, etc. Grow some thicker skin brother.
I totally agree but I don't think he is hating on people that like carburetors. He is hating on the fact that people say EFI can never be good on a 2 stroke and carburetors are the only way to go and that KTM can't do anything right.
@@cjw6454 Opinions are like bellybuttons and everyone has one. I agree with you. My point was that Kyle needs to get thicker skin as their will always be someone disagreeing, trying to rattle people, being a jerk, etc. You get the picture. Some people argue just for the sake of arguing. Kyle has managed to make a living doing something he enjoys. I think it is awesome. I have a sneaky suspicion that the folks that give him a hard time are jealous and simply unhappy with their own lives.
@@cjw6454 the whole concept of TPi is wrong, they should have never started it in first place and use TBi system instead as succesfully used in snowmobiles for years. KTM TBi just needs oil pump to be road legal and all sorted.
I ended up buying my 2020 xcw 300 becauseof finding your channel and haven't regretted it for one moment. It puts nothing but a smile on my face every time I ride. I haven't done the idle mod, but haven't needed to yet but from what your saying about fine tuning in this video, I 'll reconsider it. Thanks for all that you do Kyle. Have a good one brother.
get your ecu reflashed by tpi tuning adventures jhon ross can reprogram it to throw more oil at it and make it run as good as anything out there and while your at it ho ahead and send him your suspension im a 63 yr old rider n alot of younger riders are shocked what my 22 300 can do now
Kyle I don’t think you personally have enough experience with carbed bikes… you’ve been riding for a few years now only and within a very short period of time have had nothing but the best of the best. I won’t deny the Ktm group homes are phenomenal, however the maintenance and the ability to quickly and easily tune and modify a carbed bike is undeniable.
You’re mistaken if you think he doesn’t have enough time on carbed bikes. He’s been riding a “short period” however in that short period he’s put in a lot of time on all types of bike and I’d easily say more time than you or a lot of people in these comments. It’s just naive to try and discredit his experience. However I would greatly agree with you. Carbed bikes are like old diesel motors. So beautiful and simple. And the cost to maintain is low. I’ve got a 18 tc250 that I absolutely love. Along with a 22 yz450f I only really ride mx but it’s drastically cheaper and easier to maintain the 250. I’ve gotten to be around a buddy with the new 23 300sx and I’ve got to say. It’s not that much more complicated to maintain.
I’ve had 3 TPI bikes and have over 300 hours between them with no issues other than basic adjustment of the air screw and a idle adjustment screw. I currently have a 22 Sherco with a Smartcarb and a 23 Husky TPI. The Sherco runs good with the Smartcarb, but it took a lot of trial and error to get dialed in and still requires some adjustment at extreme elevations and temperatures and has an off idle gurgling that is common with carburetord bikes. Husky TPI runs perfectly everywhere. I’m not buying another carbureted bikes.
I bought a 2022 Gas Gas MC 250 for woods riding. It's super light, very simple, relatively inexpensive, and runs great. I've ridden it back to back with a 2022 EX 300 that was tuned and to be honest I preferred my bike. You could feel the weight difference quite a bit and the softer power delivery of my carbureted bike was a bit easier to deal with in the tight and slick conditions we were riding in. I've ridden from sea level to six thousand feet and I don't have any complaints about how the engine responds. All that being said fuel injection can be amazing. I'm sure the response and power of the new TBI bikes is hard to beat. A lot of us just like the mechanical simplicity of a less complex platform. And it would be nice if there was always that option going forward. I hate the fact that much of this is driven by ridiculous environmental regulations as well. Thanks for all the great videos and information man. We all just need to get along and go riding, cheers. 😀👍
Problem is my carbed 300xc absolutely runs better than the TPI bike. The dyno shows it makes more power than a TBI, I'm not that concerned about a horse or 2 and will most likely own a TBI soon, I'll keep my carbed 300 though to tinker with. The TPI bikes where designed for euro 5 emissions, and cost way to much to tune and still not match a carbed bike after a couple grand.
Almost no one is trashing the TBI bikes. The TPI was a mistake on the competition models it worked for some but for those that like a crisp 2 stroke it never measured up.
I have a 2023 husqvarna 300 tpi. I've done 150 hours with zero problems. I've not changed a spark plug. I never had the tank off the thing. It's had a 30-hour oil change, and it constantly has a dirty air filter. The tpi is amazing.
Bought a tpi after yor 2018 review. Zero failures, zero complaints, pure joy
I don't have anything against the EFI 2T but I think they should keep a version with carb and kickstarter. This reminds me the day Honda stopped making 2T... they killed all the fun and that's the reason I have a 2008 KTM 300xc today.
Almost all dirt bike test videos are made by individuals like Kyle that live at higher elevations with great changes in altitude during a ride. I live at 380' above sea level with very little altitude change in a three state area. I have owned literally dozens of two stroke dirt bikes with carbs and have never had an issue with carburator tuning. The most I've ever had to do was adjust a needle clip position when I first bought a new bike. Next point is the tpi/fuel injected bikes are too expensive and like I said at my altitude isn't necessary anyway. I'm looking to buy a used 2017/18 ktm 250/300. That would still be carburated, counter balanced and have a kick start. Not everyone rides out west or rides at and above 5000 feet!
My bike has seen sea level to 2500m in the last year. The TBI is all about the electronic power valve. EFI is just bonus.
Exactly why I got a the 2018 TE250 new while I could. Counterbalanced, kick start, carb, fork springs and electric start.
2017 ktm/husky is shit, they already cancled their contract with keihin and made a contract with mikuni to supply them for another year, before they had the tpi. I heard very often that they can be very hard to set up) get running right.
@@kakiho6981 I put a Lectron Billetron on my 17 KTM and it's straight pissed off compared to the stock crap carb. It runs so well and has so much power paired with the FMF Gnarly pipe.
@@Jon-wf1sn Okay, yeah for some guys it works straight up but if it isn't running well they're hardly able to jet it. But I haven't worked on one myself. I also never used a Lectron carb because I always had a Keihin carb on my bikes which I was able to tune perfectly to my altitude, tempreture and prefered power curve.
I put a SmartCarb on my 2017 YZ250X and so far, so good. It's not EFI but the atomization is solid.
@WolfieMel I kept the original Keihin carb as a spare/back up. Cleaned the jets and air passages and replaces the lines. If I ever need to install it, she's ready to go.
@WolfieMel BRAAAAAAAAP 🤘
KYLE,IN THE 60S I HAD A GREEVES 250,IT DIDNT EVEN HACE A PIPE,JUST A 12 INCH PIECE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN,IT WAS A GREAT RUNNING BIKE ,NEVER HAD TO DO ANYTHING BUT RIDE IT,I USED TO CHASE JACK RABITS WITH IT,SO MUCH FUN..IM 84 NOW AND I RIDE A KMX 125 ITS A GOOD ONE TOO,VERY WELL BALANCED,GREETINGS FROM THE PHILIPPINES KYLE AND FAMILY
I read a lot of the comments and agree regardless the complexity of the new EFI strikers, however I bought one any way. 19 TE250i and admittedly had to change a fuel filter and a spark plug on the trail, but only because I stupidly confused the change interval. But I’ve got to say the thing runs like a Swiss watch, no hiccups no fouled plugs from lugging it to much. Never had to blow it out to save a plug, great torque down low, super over rev ( yeah it’s the 250 ) I just love it. As for the suspension I sunk $1300 into it and now it’s as good as a stock 2022. Which is awesome by the way. And E-start, and no mixing gas, did I say no mixing gas. I got a 2 stroke that will go 400 mile before I need to ad more 2stroke oil. That means SoCal Desert or what ever. Uses a lot less gas to. I can get 120 miles on a tank. That’s like a 4 stroke. Then the very best part, they sound sooo good. And they look trick with that sick pipe and silencer. There’s my thoughts, but but really riding is just plain fun! See you out there. Peace!
Sherco 300 SE Factory with Smart Carb > anything EFI. The TPI and now TBI ‘upgrade’ didn’t come from better performance, they came from emissions standards. If a company makes over a certain amount of bikes per year, they are regulated by the EU emissions board… which is why KTM is required to run lean and marketed EFI as ‘the future’. You can’t bypass that ratio for more torque.
I feel like this video is directed towards me because my 21 TX300i was the worst bike ive ever owned. AND.... I was very vocal about it. I never emailed Kyle about it though...I took it to the dealership multiple times to reflash the ECU. I was admittedly stubborn and refused to add more money to an already $11000 plus TPI bike when my brothers 2016 YZ250x would SPANK it everywhere in the power curve. Didnt matter if it was summer or winter either. However, I have never said that KTM are ruining two strokes. I sold my TPI bike and got a 2022 TC 250 slightly used and converted it to a TX300 with the powerparts kit and 18" rear wheel. Love it. I think the TBI makes more sense now and I would like to try one. I LOVE the counter balanced motors they have. They are so smooth. Sorry Kyle..... BUT I WAS PISSED AT THE TIME TOO!!!!!!!
Wow, a Yamaha YZ250x competing with a 300i? There is definitely something wrong guy. My grandson has a YZ250x and it doesn’t stand a chance against my KTM 300xc-w TPI which is basically the same bike as yours as I understand it. Keep pushing the dealer to reflash the ECU or something…. That ain’t right.
@@prestonthomas9406 it’s long gone. I’m on a carb bike now.
You are sponsored by KTM in 100% im sure.
He’s just trying to get likes
I can’t really disagree.
To be fair though the TPI bikes aren’t perfect and can be difficult to troubleshoot (but for the most part the community has figured out most issues now).
TBI remains to be seen if they have fewer issues than TPI (like CCPS, etc).
my whole point when i was a kid was that i took the 2 stroke bikes over the 4 stroke because everything down to crank replacement i could do in an afternoon or two and as a high school kid it made life much easier especially because i had to pay for it. and back then only 4 stroke bikes were fuel injected for the most part. not to mention my 2 strokes allways started in a kick or two hot or cold reguardless of where i was because i learned how a carb works and once i set it up it was fine. that said those fuel injected bikes will all ways make more ponies than any carbed bike on any day of the week anywhere.
You don’t put enough hours on them to see the MAJOR downsides of tpi two strokes.
Exactly
As long as you can afford a new one every 40 hours shouldn’t be an issue 😅
Isnt 2000hrs enough?
@@chrispy1965 Thats over how many different brand new bikes
Had a tpi bike 440hours just oil changes and pistons
Yep oil pump is a major issue. You change your bikes often so probably don't care. I've a 2017 300 EXC six day bike. I can say its lasted better than the TPi bikes over this time frame and hundreds of hours.
Kyle you are out of line a bit based on my experiences and other KTM owners I know.
But I do understand where your perspective is from.
My 2022 KTM 300 XC was a TPI piece of crap. It siezed 2 times in the 1st 7 hours.
I had one of the 1st ones in N. America.
The dealers and KTM could not diagnois why. I can send you copies of the info, bills, emails,...
After the 2nd siezure KTM put a new crate motor in it and after 4 hours I changed it to a TBI (relocated 1 fuel injector to in front of the reeds) and removed the oil pump system and changed to 100% premix and it runs and performs 100% better. I also adjusted the air throttle screw (air bypass). And installed the adjustable idle speed screw.
Finally it is reliable.
Then I got rid of the stupid KTM ECU and installed a Coober ECU.
Outboards and snowmobiles have been fuel injected for about 20 years so KTM with its 2 strokes is so far behind and should have no issues. Learn from others!! But they do have issues.
KTM has a lot of reliable issues like with their 790 and 890 ADV, TPI bikes (the dealers and KTM could not fix my bike).
The KTM engineers messed up big time, They need to "get with the program."
You never inject straight gas into the transfer ports where on start up there is no oil for lube.
And at high throttle openings where the vacuum has dropped off (on 2 strokes not 4 strokes) the oil does not all get sucked up through the crankcase, the transfer ports and into the cylinder.
So many, 100's I know of who when they removed the reed cage found way too much oil sitting in the reeds and on the down stream side (entrance to the crackcase) surrounding area as it was not drawn into the motor.
I honestly haven’t heard anything bad about the fuel injected two strokes from people that own them
Hope they are rebuilding them every 50hrs 👀
@chadrides914 Done my first top end rebuild on my 2019 300 TPI at 219 hours pal..with NO issues whatsoever..But I maintain my bikes better than what's in the books.
Because the TPI bikes are fine. I have a 2021 300xcw I bought off the showroom floor, I ride 2x a week and follow the maintenance schedule in the manual. Zero issues. If you ride your bike once a month and leave it in the shed the rest of the time, ya, you might have issues. There's also always the one offs that have a bad experience but thats every bike out there. Beyond that, there's a huge secondary market on YT to complain about anything and everything. Everyone I actually know with a TPI loves it
@@albertsammut433 i ran a 1998 RMX250 for 8 years with no failures (other than a power valve spring). when i changed the piston at over 400 hrs, the old piston looked brand new, and afterward i could tell no performance difference. but that's with a lot of low RPM riding.
I don't know how anyone can complain about fuel injection for 2 strokes. It's such an awesome idea and this latest generation of TBI bikes are amazing. I'm excited for what they're doing for 2 strokes.
Ist garbage they are to complicater, you new a laptop to work on it you depend on dealer to fix it they have weak motor, no kick start to many parts to complicated...................
@@martymcfly660 100+ hours no complaints! I'm a shitty garage mechanic and I don't think it too "complicater"
@@martymcfly660 I might take you seriously if you could string together a sentence using the english language correctly!!!!
Oil injection.... fuel injection is 4strokes.
they change the design and parts completely each year, so finding any sort of repalcements after it breaks will be a nightmare to find and for your wallet. And for what? YZ250 #1
Kyle I bought my first 2stroke because of your videos, and specifically a TPI. All my Rocky Mountain purchases go toward your link. I’m a believer!
me too bro. I bought a 300 and a 150 for my wife because of kyle and it was the best decision. i love my Japanese bikes too but my KTMS are fire
Why is everyone so scared of fuel injection? I guarantee everybody who cries about a fuel injected bike drives a fuel injected car or truck. I just wish all the manufacturers would get back into the 2stroke trend. I'm a big Honda fan, and I would 100% buy a new CR250.
Agree, spot on. EFI 2T run amazing and people need to get with the times. No manufacturers are performing R&D like KTM and it's important to support them to keep the industry going.
Buncha dog frog bull crog. Plenty of mfgs are developing 2 strokes. KTM just has the biggest marketshare. Their electronic power valve was taken from TM, as well as their new TBI system. Sherco, Beta, and TM all stomp KTM brand on any day of the week.
@@rollypollyraviolli4474I personally own both a Beta and KTM. Like them both and are great bikes for different reasons. I like the Beta oil injection design from a simplicity perspective and it works well. I'd be interested to see what they come up with in 2024 in terms of efi. The point is the bigger companies like KTM are taking the initial hit to lead the transition to EFI. Its inevitable, and has allowed the smaller manufacturers more time to come up with a solution. This will aid them to survive as they will follow lessons learned from KTMs transition along the process.
@@brook_slider TM was making production 2t motorcycles with electric start, electronic powervalve, and TPI before KTM was. They switched to TBI two years ago. KTM isn't leading anything, it is the biggest of the Euros with the most advertising bucks. Most Euros aren't even permitted in AMA racing because of homologation rules, so they're effectively barred from that kind of exposure.
Just tuned my Beta Carby and I must say it's running great, crisp throttle response and easy to work on. Suzuki needle made a hell of a difference.
@@brook_slider Stock slide was a 6.5. Had a rich burble on crack of throttle.
I ground my slide to a 7.5 (can only buy full steps), and everything was fixed. I run the same jetting year round from 0-2000' elevation and only have to adjust the air screw.
Also, I can adjust throttle response with my jetting instead of running it to a dealership to get it reprogrammed.
Glad you figure out your jetting! Message me if you want to try the slide mod!
I've had carb bikes for 20+ years. Never had one run bad and need adjusting unless it was changed from standard. Fuel injection is good, carbs are more reliable in the long run.
If it wasn’t for the price tag, I would buy one and give ‘em a try. Me personally, I picked up a 2005 300 EXC last year and that was my first taste of the 2-stroke world. Got the jetting dialed for my riding areas. Home is 3900, mountain riding is 6000-10000 give or take and I know what jets and adjustments to make to ride in both places. Probably going to splurge on a Lectron this summer and that will be good enough for me.
Hats off the the real innovators, Lectron and Smart Carb for keeping the OG 2-strokes relevant for us peasants in society lol
I’m sure your tpi and tbi bikes run great, but I’ll go anywhere you go, and have just as much fun doing it on my old trusty carbureted steed.
Its the price.normal people dont spend 11k$ on a dirtbike
@@bkh5746 i know they are different worlds, but go to the motocross track and you'll see thats not true. tons of people out there are always riding brand new bikes. its more common to see a brand new bike at an mx track than it is to see a 10 year old bike
If you can jet, don’t waste money on a lectron.
@@beauhawk1146 jetting isn’t a huge pain in the butt, but it is a slight inconvenience. To each their own but $500 to never have to mess with it again is worth it in my book. I only gave 3,500 for the bike, so 4,000 total after I get the Lectron and I’ll be able to ride anywhere and not have to worry about anything.
@@opusx._.6092 I ride from 2400-9500ft as well. But if you're set on it, I'll sell you mine for $400 shipped.
No one is bitchin about TBI! I just wont touch a TPI bike! Can't believe KTM is still selling them, should all be coming with the new TBI
premixed bikes(tbi) can not be road legal in emision strict countries/states, therefor TPi is here to stay.
I think it depends on 2 things.
Elevation/temp change during a ride
How you ride
If one encounters large variations in either temperature or elevation or both during a ride then TBI (or even TPI) will definitely perform better than if you dont adjust your carburetor. If however your temp and elevation swings are minimal and your carb bike is jetted correctly to begin with those small changes can be made into a non issue with small air screw adjustments.
Secondly some people simply prefer how a carb delivers low end power. TM for example lets you order their bikes with the only difference being either a carb or TBI… your choice. Choice is a good thing. A mechanical carb may not have the same broad range of usability with no adjustments but it wont ever break.
I think the bigger truth is many people do not know how to correctly jet a carbureted 2 stroke and TBI or TPI is a great thing for them.
A manual transmission in a sports car may not be as quick around a race track as a dual clutch paddle shifted automatic but Porsche still sells plenty of manuals!
Choice is a good thing!
So when do you ride without elevation and temp changes? Maybe you might, but the rest of us don't.
I agree with this for the most part except the part about carbs don't break. I've personally dealt with a brand new bike that had a carb float issue causing all the fuel to pour out into the woods on the first ride. I've also had needles wear and cause the bike to run like trash. Carbs are not perfect. I'm glad people still have a choice but I'll never again willingly buy a carbureted motorcycle ever again.
More people live east of the Mississippi than west of it by a large margin. With that said not everyone lives out west and rides huge elevation changes.
Snowmobile's have had injected two strokes for at least a decade. Isn't there any cross talk between dirt and snow? In fact, ski-doo has been using direct-injection for a bunch. I am hoping for the return of two stroke road bikes its so good. (clean) The UK has at least one company making a road two stroke that you can get right now. I agree with you. Carbs are great but you have to fiddle with them all the time to be "perfect".
I have the new 300sx. It is indeed crazy powerful in map 2. Map 1 is more like an extra torquie 250f and easy to ride. Map 2 is the fun mode. 😀
Power everywhere on the 23' 300. White map if you want reasonable power. Green map if you want a rocket. Super cool to have kind of have two bikes in one with a push of a button. Thank you electronic power valve and TBI.
Carbs don't need adjusted as much as people want to claim. Havnt touched mine besides cleaning jets in years lol, idk...they run fine
Facts
I agree. Not everyone rides at high altitudes that change drastically in a day's ride.
There's been fuel injected two stroke outboards and snowmobiles (including my 2007 M1000) for years. You don't see anyone wanting their carbs back in those circles! New models and new tech always requires some time to work out the kinks but my next bike is definitely going to be TBI.
I wish the dirtbike world would catch up to the marine and sled world. Direct injection would sweet on a dirtbike!
Difference is you aren't using low throttle inputs like on a bike
I argued this point with Kyle, back in 2015ish, for hours, now look where we are. Oh, and I've still got a heavily modded,, 06, M7, that's my spare sled.
@@grant7411 True, but I don't see why direct injection would have a problem with low throttle inputs.
The TPI system on snowmobiles don't require a battery. The systems on 2T dirt bikes still need changes.
I enjoy working messing with carburetors. Makes me feel like I'm smart. I also love fuel injection, less to mess with. Both have their place
It's not about how they can run when tuned. It's about simplicity. I was lucky to find an 18 with 15 hours. I will probably never sell it.
I have an 18 300XC and a 22 300XC TPI. Hands down the 22 is better at EVERYTHING. Carb is OK. TPI is absolutely better
@Cam N Fair enough. However, I picked this up for 6k ready to ride(pipe,silencer, skidplate etc.) I had lots of money left to add a smartcarb and proper suspension. No oil pump,fuel pump, injectors,ecu, etc. I'll sacrifice a little performance for simplicity. I'm 40 years old and will never be fast enough to need more.
@@nick4872 the deal you got on your bike is not what this thread is about Nick. It’s about is a carb better than TPI and is technology improving the bikes. Good for you that you got a good deal and ride what you bring and be happy you are riding. You getting a good deal is not relevant to the narrative. I’m a fast 55 yr old rider and I will take the TPI over the carb every time. Every bike will break when abused. Treat whatever bike you bring well and maintain it well and you won’t have to walk home.
I would remind people that snowmobiles have been injected for a couple decades.
Kyle, over the years, I have really appreciated the work you have done on your channel, especially your bike reviews. So please don't take this personally. 😊 But I vehemently disagree with the content of this video. Here are 4 reasons why:
1. The main reason carb bikes don't run well for most people is simply because they do NOT know how to tune them. My father is a carb guru, and we have ridden many carbed 2-strokes over the years, including the bikes we have now, that run great. In fact, I think our current carbed bikes run better than the EFI bikes I've ridden. The EFI bikes have too soft of a bottom end. My 2022 Sherco SE 250 Factory will smoke my friends 2021 KTM 250 XC, all the way through the powerband.
2. A big reason why people complain about the EFI bikes, and is the reason I won't buy one, is because they have had terrible experiences with them, not just because of what they've seen on the Internet. I have heard and seen first hand so many horror stories from people I know that I am not willing to take a chance on them, especially since our carbed bikes run phenomenal....like today, and 25 years ago.
3. 2-strokes were never going to die, and KTM sure as heck can't take the credit for "saving" them. The hot 4-stroke trend started before you started riding back around the year 2000. People jumped on the bandwagon and started buying the 4-strokes. But over time, a lot of those same people realized the hot 4-strokes weren't what they were cracked up to be, and they started migrating back to 2-strokes. 2-strokes were already making a comeback before KTM went to EFI.
4. A huge reason Beta and Sherco are becoming so popular is because enough people have had bad experiences with the EFI bikes, and they want to go back to a carb. It's because people DON'T want EFI that those other brands are thriving. In effect, KTM is helping those other brands because they are losing market share to the brands with carbs. The biggest reason KTM is the biggest brand is because they hit their stride with the off-road market several years before Beta and Sherco, not because they make a superior product.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a KTM hater. It's just that every time I ride a 2020 or newer KTM, Husky, or Gas Gas, it feels like a disappointment compared to our Betas and Sherco.
I really do appreciate your passion, Kyle, but I think it's important for the truth to be known.
I can tell you why the people complain about FI KTM... They can't afford them. The only reason.
OK enough bull. Fact is until a EFI has a slide TB it will NEVER have as much hp as a slide carb. Butterfly TB have flow restrictions. Do your research. I will never buy a efi until it has a slide TB. 100% a carb 250 and 150 makes more hp than the efi counterparts.
Efi usually runs better through the rpm range if you compare to a untuned carb ktm.
Furthermore I need reliability when I'm 80 km into the bush. I need a kick start and minimal electronics.
So ya buy efi so I can buy your carb bikes!
I think the best example is the tbi 150s vs the carb 150s. Research dyno runs. There down 5hp compared to a carb bike. That's huge.
WOW, good info! Bought my 22 250sx for the carb.
I rode my kx500 a lot back in the day. Along with the CR500’s we were kings at the dunes.
Until KTM fixes the CCPS sensor problem, I’ll stick with a carb’d bike. Many people I know who have tpi bikes have to keep a ccps sensor around and have the failure often. With as much hell as we put these machines through here, reliability is the name of the game.
Failed sensor will just make the bike not run 100% clean but it will still be rideable. many people dont even notice their sensor is bad. Also in europe it costs something like 30 dollars.
I went to Sherco because of owning a 2018 and 2020 250 xcw tpi that did not want to start in temperatures colder than 60 degrees. They didn't idle after 5 to 10 hours no matter what I did to tune it. In 2020 my 2020 KTM crank case sucked in at 50 hours and also took out the main bearing. The KTM rep told me that it was an old bike with a lot of hours and wouldn't help me with it. That's why I went to a 2021 Sherco with over a 110 hours on it now and that bike has been solid.
$50 has been deposited to your bank account by KTM group LLC.
I have to echo the sentiment of those saying that jetting is just not that critical for more than half the country & there is a very set it & forget it situation for most. That guy who says that his bike ran great on that one day is not really reality for most people because we jet it & maybe change it in the middle of the winter or summer. I just sold my carbed 2018 XCW because of life changes & it killed me to do it because when I buy another 2 stroke I wont be buying a KTM. Yes, the new bikes run nice but there are just too many horror stories. That guy that had that nice running 2 stroke on that day back 25 years ago never had a sensor fail or his engine seize twice in 7 hours because he had control of his destiny & was not relying on UNRELIABLE parts to get him through. That's what it comes down to. I own a modern 4 stroke (not a KTM) I like it because there's not an endless amount of vids showing regular guys taking their bikes apart showing what happened this week. It's not how absolutely perfect the jetting is. It's just hat KTM doesn't have the reliability down & just wait until they start incorporating more & more off shore parts into their engines. Kyle is a straight up fan boy & is giving us that unnecessary laugh at the beginning of his vids like a regular actor. Just like KTM, his delivery is changing. I'd buy a Beta or Reiju before I bought a new KTM 2 stroke. Yes, I have a fuel injected car but I also have a KTM fuel injected 4 stroke MX bike as well as a non KTM off road bike because I was tired of spending 2 grand to fix the joke of a suspension that KTM gave us for a decade. . For 2 strokes, KTM is still walking around in the dark, not fixing poor part quality related issues when they arise. Moving manufacturing of the parts that comprise these bikes off shore will only prolong their suffering. . No thanks.
It's comical that you made the comment about 500's being unrideable... you've clearly never ridden a 500 in the woods. Everyone has this misconception that they are unruly monsters but they are quite fun to ride and very manageable. You can't run around on the pipe all the time but it's really not that hard to ride a 500 efficiently in the woods.
Most people who review bikes on the internet seem like they don't have any idea what they're talking about. Just in from a day riding with my buddy. A 520RFS and a 300exc. Everyone with a two stroke always ends up trading bikes with me so the can ride my 520 when they are tired.
I agree. Having an excess of power means you always have power and never have to work the bike to get power out of it.
I had a cr500 in the wood. Was terrible compared to the te300
..I love my CR500 in the woods! Lectron carb, electric start, lights.. no tuning and runs like "screaming eagle" ... 🥰
He has to post this or KTM won't send him anymore free bikes. My YZ will eat those orange bikes and cost a fraction to maintain. Plus Japanese parts are available everywhere. Keep Two Mechanics (KTM) what a joke.
@@sevensi62 those yzs vibrate like crazy.
Just baught a 2024 300sx, and I have to say... It is the best running bike I've ever had. It makes riding an absolute blast, and now i enjoy moto even more. I'll see you guys on the trails! It's all about the smiles and the fun, and this bike does it every time.
Totally agree with Kyle.
I have the first TPI Six Days and it ran perfect all the time. There are as so much negativity online, I’m guessing from non owners listening to rumours with no solid opinion. The old “I know a guy” or “my mate had one and said” 😂
CArbs work fine for 6 days too. What happens when it's left in the garage a couple years? A carb needs a soak, EFI needs injectors, pump, etc. I like it, but it's not perfect.
i’m sixty , grew i up on twos … i like to ride one . throttle body, or tune port injected which is it or different on kTM s. it’s revolutionary to the twos …. old guy here
For the people who like riding more then working on them, these are the best bikes ever in my opinion.
Yea sure... till u have to actually work on it and considering it's a bike , that's inevitable
I’m 43 and grew up on 2 strokes .. you are correct.. constant tuning and re jetting was a reality.. shoot I’d take one of these KTM any day ... technology evolves it’s just how it is .. don’t get me wrong the most fun I’ve ever had was on carbureted 2 strokes but good change is good change
I ride a yz250. Not even an x. I KNOW its downfalls. I've been riding with a good friend that has a sherco factory 300 and it's super nice. Personally I dont trust KTMs reliability and I dont think I could part ways with the KYB suspension.
I had a Suzuki 1979 DS185, it was a carb with direct oil injection. I owned the bike for 15 years. Probably my favourite, most reliable bike I’ve ever owned.
I’m looking forward to taking delivery of my new KTM 300 XC-W.
Totally glad a manufacturer finally had the “BALLS “ to develop this bike !!!!!
I personally had a 19 tx300 and a 21 300xc and the 21 felt sluggish and underpowered I sold the 21 and kept the 19. I'm excited to see what the tbi is like but did not like the power from the tpi. Not a bad bike I just didn't like it.
if you get a chance to ride a pre ‘17, KTM two stroke, then do it… You’ll notice the counter balancer killed all of the power in these 17+ bikes. granted non-counterbalanced bikes vibrate more but power difference is night and day difference.
ktm had to go efi because of the EU emissions regulations. they make so many units that they were forced to. beta and sherco don't move as many units and are not required to comply with the EU standards. trust me, if ktm wasn't required to go efi they wouldn't.
As the CEO of Sherco said: We see no reason to switch to TPI if the carburator runs better.
Every enduro bike I rode which had a Keihin carburator always ran perferctly. Even better with tuning. But they never bugged whatsoever, even when running very rich. And even if I change my jetting from summer to winter, it's still way less work (and cheaper) than replacing the oil pump filter etc every 80h as KTM says. Also from what I've seen you put way more work into figuring out how to get your TPIs tuned well then any normal person would. A normal person wouldn't even realize that their KTM doesn't run as well as their other KTM from the previous year as you often mentioned that this was the reason you understood how to tune it. I don't claim KTM ruined the 2 stroke whatsoever. By now they can get their bikes to run as good as a normal carburator. They had to do it, other brands didn't have to. I prefer the simplicity. And I don't know how long you run yout bikes for, but I assume under 100/150 hours. The pistons of TPI engines (especially 2018 models (in europe)) but also 2019 models last significantly less to a bike with carb. I have no expertise on 2020 models onwards. As I said: they get on the level of the carb which is awesome, while adjusting themself also. That is a huge +. However simplicity, tunabilty, etc. of a carb is a plus on their side too.
Yes till you get to altitude Then you have to dick around with jetting it
that CEO cant tell the difference between a carb and a wet pussy
I agree with Kyle here..People need to stop bagging KTM and maintain their bikes more and better..I bought a brand new first gen 300 TPI and had put 152 hours on it with no issues at all running only Motorex lubes in it..But silly me reading some people's issues with failed oil pumps I disconnected mine and ran 50:1 premix..Straight away it didn't run as good and cleanly...so I just installed a new pump for peace of mind..Sold it with 362 hours on the clock and apart from a top end refresh it still went like a cut cat.
I have no issue with ktm having ridden them from 1998 to 2002. I was leery of TPI with its oil starvation problems and water ingress problems. I think tbi solves those issues and will be the blueprint for future bikes. Likely after I destroy my smart carb equipped 2007 yz250 I'll eye a KTM or variant.
@@AmateurHourProdu I love it, granted it's not perfect and you will end up with a tiny flat spot in the mids tuning it's jetting is as easy as shutting the bike off, holding the throttle open, pressing and twisting a knob up top. I mainly got one for my YZ to get 50+ miles on the stock tank for harescrambles.
I grew up riding 2 strokes. Been riding mostly 4 strokes. Still rode buddies 2 strokes. They were the same old thing. This new TBI bike. 300 motor Is magical. Revs out like a 250 pulls consistently through the whole power curve. Unreal.
yep. never rode one, but knew they would be amazing. my job for a while was running big diesels on a dyno. the HEUI electronic hydraulic fuel injection added so much torque it was insane. the mechanical injected engines would just lug down at anything below rated RPM, while the new stuff keeps holding full rated HP as the RPM drops. torque numbers just keep climbing. we are talking 1400 HP at 2000 RPM and then still pulling 1400 HP down at 1600 RPM. i thought one was going to blow up during "torque check", but of course an electronically monitored engine will derate its itself when in trouble.
so much for emissions progress making us loose power eh! the technology-push forced development of some incredible machinery. the new bikes show a similar result in gains and its why they pull so hard. they are going to impress a lot of riders. if you are new to the TBI/EFI bikes... the 150 goes like a 200. the 250 pulls like a 300. i can only guess what the 300 feels like... what would you say guys?
Keep carbureting cool videos like this for the community 😊But just to mention KTM is probably the most notorious off-road brand at the moment and is pushing forward the 2s technology but TM Racing assembled its bikes with TPI and then TBI technology before KTM and it’s a boutique brand with high quality handmade bikes producing around 3000/year not 300000. KTM didn’t create the tech TPI or TBI they just made it famous in 2s, only that which is already an important step. Yamaha R3 was one of the first models to feature TPI technology when it was introduced in 2017. TBI technology was first introduced by Bosch in the early 1980s, and it quickly became a popular method of fuel injection for vehicles.
Thanks for saving the 2 stroke! But I will still stick with an older one that I can rebuild myself and not have all the chips and electronics.
Absolutely 100% concerned about the fuel injected bikes. KTM has used its buyers as guinea pigs for way too long. The serviceability by the home mechanic cannot be more overstated. Tuneability is just a part of life that you accept as a carb bike owner. When your TPI bike stops running forget about getting out a screwdriver to fix it. Just bought a new Beta 300RR. You’re right about the Japanese manufactures, they have just ignored the Enduro market completely. I don’t get it, I would happily have bought a Yamaha YZ 300 WR with a six speed counterbalanced electric start motor any day of the week over anything else…if it were available. Your rant went in one ear and out the other regarding fuel injection though dude. Sorry.
The fact that you would buy a fictional bike over an existing tpi without even comparing them first tells me your opinion is biased and irrelevant.
Except I remember when you sang the TPI praises, and we all know where that went. Every Year for the KTM is the latest, greatest best thing out there. At least the consumer is allowing KTM to allow them to be the unpaid tester.
Well, I had a 22 TX300i, and I'd take my 22 Sherco all day over that bike. It wasn't JUST the tpi. I prefer the ergonomics 100 times over that Husky. I also like the low end power WAY more. The Husky was fine. Nothing wrong with it. It was more capable than myself. However, it's all preference. My Keihin runs like butter.
I LOVE all 2 strokes. Big or small, I love em all.
I can't afford a brand new bike, much less the entire line. Some of use must live in reality 🤣✌️
I agree another bike I can't afford
I agree. The cost of ktm dirt bikes two and four stroke are beyond my sensibilities. We han just as much fun and adventure back in the seventies on hodakas.
@@mxbadboy263 I used to ride an old Honda 90 in the 70s
Why are you pissed off? Dirt bikes are just toys to be used for fun after all. Something hardly worth being pissed off about IMHO. There's a heck of a lot more serious and ugly things out in the world to be pissed off about. Enjoy your bikes and forget about what other people think!
I agree with your point. I wish I was 16 years younger though. I just don’t enjoy the 2t like I did growing up. So…for me…putting my hard earned money on a new bike every few years will be on a four stroke. Either way, people shouldn’t complain at all about these bikes, they sure do beat all the work we had to do in the 90’s to our CR’s to make them woods capable. Now they are good off the showroom floor! And it’s not a heavy pig xr250r. Be grateful internet!
The bikes are great if looked after properly and a lot of guys out there just run the god dam things until they break before considering maintenance along the way. I have a 2019 Tpi which has 250hrs on. Yes I did a rebuild at 200hrs and I have remapped the ECU for better performance at a pretty low cost compared with other stuff what's available. The bike is still a great bike running the original oil pump and crankcase pressure sensor with Zero electrical problems need I say anymore I love it and I know how to look after it with care. I work on the current GasGas TPi range and again they are great bikes. That's the one I would go for now if I were upgrading my KTM. Granted there have been problems along the way with TPi but the other manufactures that run carb's have other build quality issues that seem to go unnoticed. 🤷♂
Nice to have a rant every now and again Kyle because its good for the soul 👍
Please explain the 2020 tpi of my riding companion that seized at .1 hours and again at 20 hours.
@@gpaull2 explain the number of Betas breaking down with flat batteries or Sherco’s needing clutches? From what I see there have been some cylinder issues most likely down to casting faults. There’s thousands of these bikes out there running good. It’s always the bad we hear about and that’s always highlighted. The hundreds of bikes I’ve seen sold on the whole have served there owners well. Some that have come back and I’m talking just a handful that were warranty claims and all resolved. The others I’ve seen have been operator error, Deep water , hole in radiator boiled dry , never cleaned causing electrical issues etc and there’s a lot of operator error out there unfortunately.
My Cannondale 440x had fuel injection from 2003.it was a perfect system,worked flawless. Ran superb too
The fuel pumps are a added failure point and I would hate to go over the bars on a jump like chad reed did in super cross.
Aww. . .. But that sudden YEET energy from the old 2000's era japanese two strokes . . .. of course, I do agree, and I would absolutely opt for an EFI two stroke given the opportunity.
I’ll still take my carby anyday, 19’ 300xc with lectron has always ran top. Simple as could be, Spark, air, fuel.
The 2019 KTM 300 is a great bike for sure...
Exactly what I have but with a Billitron and RK head, never selling it.
I'd probably be saying the same thing if I had a new KTM every 50hrs
This is it.... This dude is like "I had 20 TPI bikes.... for one season..... I put 3 hours on each and they were PERFECT!" Im serious...... This dude is a dipshit at this point. Put a 1000 hours on a bike THEN come and tell me how great that bike is.
yeah sure ...my ktm 300 2008 work as fine as new ... maybe better.... i ride huskys and ktms tpi every time the same question in my mind ..." whats wrong with this bike?" they have a lot of problens and absolutely no more power!... for sure more expensive maintenance..no kyle tpi are not better ..we ll see after 12 years if a tpi bike works as my 2008... and how much you will spend in 12 years ...
You’re passionate, and I’m sold, going to KTM tmrw
So...
I'm waiting to see what sherco release for their fuel injected two strokes, they've been working on their own development not making the customers do it like KTM!
Pretty excited to get on one!
Sherco won't release it till 2024 when the EU makes them due to emissions.
@@Jlow67WV which is ironic that they are only doing it because they have to. Goes to show that premium bike builders even know that fuel injection isn’t better.
Sherco’s had fuel injection before ktm lol they said they haven’t got it where they want it yet which is understandable. The fuel injection bikes don’t make as much power as carburetor ones. Honestly 80% of most ppl won’t notice it but is small Bore lovers deff notice lol but they still are good two strokes. Only problem I have is I don’t wanna carry a computer around with me to tune it like I had to with four strokes lol
There was a time tho not long ago no one knew anything about Sherco’s lol then me and buddy started selling them made a race team and found all the issues no one could help us with lol now their huge I. The states only cost us about 150k😂😂😂😂
@@johnallard9876 which makes an even stronger statement that they tried to go FI, and disliked it enough to go back to Carb. There’s just nothing to gain by it besides marketing and a slight bump in fuel economy.
Think about it honestly I would never beg for a set of fcr carburators on my 4cylinder street bike. When fuel injection works well its very reliable.
Haven't you heard of all the engine issues with TPI? Lack of lube in right places pistons skuffing at low hours, jugs with imperfections, under lube over fuel? Time again KTM ignored
You had tpi bike or is this just internet knowlege? Cuz i made more than 700 hours combined on few tpi bikes with zero engine problems
I own a TPI bike and have not had any issues.. many of these issues stem from people modifying and adjusting things they shouldn't (air-screw , power valves etc) or people that don't properly warm them up or put in the wrong oil or let it run empty..
I have a 2015 ktm250xc with 350 hours an a 2022 ktm250xc bone stock with 40 hours an zero issues bike runs great 0 issues! On either bike called proper matinence!
Have you heard? That pretty much sums up the fact that you know nothing but are spewing out the Internet "did you hear" crap. Go ride a few hundred hours on a TPI bike and then come back to us. Also, did you see Kyle's first top end rebuild vid on his 2019 TPI that was done by a pro shop? Go watch it, it's indicative of all the TPI cylinders, they look amazing after 150 hours of hell beating. I have lots of proof, do you?
They might run better but not longer…look into it. I can’t count how many times I’ve seen comments on forums about going through top ends much faster than with carbureted bikes. I’ll keep my tps carbureted yz250 and mix my gas…thanks but no thanks
Get a Rieju! You got me to buy a 2020 250xc because of your videos, and loved it!
But, the suspension and price point of the Rieju is hard to beat! EFI or not, love anything two wheels! Have a good one, Kyle!
Do you have a rieju? I would be interested to see how it compares to the KTM.
@@ericgray8396 me too
Yeah I have a MR250 Racing. Highly recommend! The bikes had a issue with the starter failing since the 18-19 gas gas bike. You could do a wet mod to it to eliminate it from failing but starting in 2022, Reiju updated it and completely eliminated that issue people were having. But hey even in previous years if the starter failed they still have a kickstart which I wish ktm still had haha!
I would recommend the bike to anyone! I hope to see them start really growing in the states! Simple bike, everything quality, and seriously quite a bit more affordable.
The reviews on the Riejus are excellent. Well equipped with top components, reliable motors, solid build quality.
In the very near future all manufacturers of 2 strokes will have to abandon the carburetor in order to meet emissions standards, KTM was left no choice because of the amount of 2 strokes they sell, European and American governments required them to meet the tougher standards before any other manufacturers, soon the other manufacturers no matter how many 2 strokes they sell will have to produce cleaner running bikes, KTM uses forward thinking as part of their business structure and it's put them so far ahead of the game, Japanese manufacturers are far more focused on immediate profit gains as part of their business structure which is why all of them abandoned 2 stroke R&D long ago and that's also why they focus primarily on motocross bikes and they are all very similar in design.
I have a 2022 TE300, bought used with 18hrs on it. It has a sputter/stutter just off throttle that drives me nuts. I can’t figure it out. I’ve tried warming it up every way the internet suggests, changed ccps & aaps, cleaned injectors, high octane non ethanol gas, fresh plug gapped correctly, clean air filter, nothing gets rid of it! Checked compression, it’s perfect. I wish I could be one of the guys that says “My bike runs flawlessly” but I’m just not there…😔
Yea same here.
Curious if you have the air screw and idle screw mod? I had to do those and the Tokyo off-road CCPS tray and new sensors. I die electric greased all connections. Also run the power valve flush and replaced the fuel filter. Might want to check the fuel filter again or replace it and clean the tank out. The filter is notorious for hairline cracking and hard to diagnose.
Mine runs great now. Pissed me off for a long time. Shouldnt have to do all that to a new bike but is what it is now. I have close to 100 hrs
Also check the line and fitting from the oil pump to the cylinder head. Take a pin or something small and stick it though to clear it out. I heard a lot of people’s reeds were caked with oil from the dummies at the dealerships putting the bikes together and priming the oil pump too much
@@stevenllewellyn8906 thanks man I’ll check that out. Something I didn’t check was the reeds. I just have the air bypass at 4 turns, didn’t do an idle screw yet but that’s my next step. Talked to a couple people that had similar problems, one guy said he put a high comp head with an ecu download from tps along with the idle screw & his was resolved. Whether it was the idle screw that did it or the ecu, he wasn’t sure. I’d just like to get it running good 1st before I start upgrading
@@rhouser1280 no worries. I know it’s frustrating. Getting the air bypass screw adjusted with the idle screw helped out a lot. Still have pipe bang but stuck with that till I do a tuner.
Thanks for the info Boss, Ive never had a Dirt Bike, but I Play with 2 Strokes but on Bike an Gas Frames but we make them Ripp 👽👍🏻
I'm excited your trying the TM. Can't wait to see man. I agree about KTM saving the 2smoker game. Thanks for all your info man. Have a good one.
Idk about saving the game I believe they went FI because they sell to many machines and had to to get epa cert in the US at least . I might be off on that but that’s what I think .
People who says 2smoker are the most annoying kind of person. You probably say annoying little sayings like "food for thought!" Smh.
All these people whining about fuel injection probably use fuel injected cars and trucks to carry their bikes to the trail or track. Hmmmmm.
I specifically bought a WR250R over most other supermotos because I love fuel injection. Carbs are cheap and fairly reliable. But EVERY carb owner I know, has carb issues or can’t ride because something carb related.
So to see 2 strokes finally bring fuel injected has me excited to get into a 2 stroke, when they become affordable which is the only major downside I see with it. They’re expensive. Cmon Yamaha. Drop a YZ250X with tpi