I'm PISSED OFF and can't be quiet any longer about EFI 2 strokes
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Can we just stop with the BS talk about how KTM EFI 2 strokes suck? Seriously. Are they all perfect? No. Are all carbureted 2 strokes perfect? No. Here is the thing though... this is the way forward and the EFI run better than 95 percent of the carb bikes out there. Yes, some tuning was often required on the TPI models. These TBI models though... they are a HOME FREAKING RUN! Most people have never ridden a properly tuned 2 stroke carb bike, so when they get on these EFI bikes, their minds are blown. I talk to them nearly daily and have for the past 6 years.
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My only complaint about TPI and TBI is affordability. I'm excited to buy your well-maintaned used one in about 5 years. I'll continue to complain about the lack of kick-start options though. Cheers!
I agree. The whole ktm lineup is too expensive for me. My dealer wants full msrp plus a $600 setup fee and a $250 doc fee!
This
There is kits to put a kick starter on and still keep the electric start
@@GetFaithified not anymore, the case doesn’t have a spot for the kickstart. Honestly it’s not an issue. The starting systems on the bikes are very very good.
@@GetFaithified yup.. add another $500 for a grossly overpriced dirtbike...
Kyle started a new cycle and is jacked up.
Lol
haha!
Fuckin good lol
@Rhys Hutchinson TBI possibly.
@@Exuberator is that Total Body Injections?
The main problem is the TPI sensor all it has to do is get hit hard or get water in it in the bike cuts off. You are right when fuel injection works its great. But even if my carb setting are off it will still run and not leave me stranded.
@@dickpound298 They don't have an O2 sensor, so cool story bro
My take as a 50+ year motorcycle rider, both dirt and street: No doubt, the 2023 XCs are fantastic. I have two friends with them, and I have ridden one of their bikes. Impressive engine, and the suspension seemed fine as well.
But...lets admit, there are more potential single point failure items on these new bikes than we have on a carbureted bike that also has a kickstarter. I have experienced that on the trails with not just one, but several riders (I also have friends with TPI bikes, and new Betas without kickstarters).
IF you are going to buy and ride one of these newer bikes, I implore you to learn how it functions, what its fuses do, what its sensors do, what the idiot lights on the dash mean, and learn whether or not you can start it if the battery dies! I've had to lend my mechanical and electrical knowledge to riders of these new bikes ON THE TRAIL to get their bikes started so we could finish the ride or even start the ride! Sure, I've had to do that over the years with carbed bikes as well, but the complexity of these new bikes adds a whole new set of potential problems to diagnose. If you never ride more than a short walking distance from your truck, you probably don't need to worry. But if you typically ride hours away from your truck and far from cell service, I strongly suggest you learn all that you can about these new machines.
One last point, and I believe others have commented on this as well, Kyle never keeps a bike very long. When you keep a bike 300-500 or more hours, routine maintenance becomes a must. The old carb/kickstart bikes are pretty simple in that respect. Not so these newer fuelie bikes.
Get out and ride!!!
Yup he hasn't had any issues with them but he only keeps a bike for a few months and replaces it with another one. That's not realistic for most folks. I think he would posting a different rant if he got one of the lemons out there or started having electrical issues after a couple years of use. They sure aren't easy for the average guy to trouble-shoot espcially out in the field. Yeah, yeah carburator bikes don't run as good but they can give years of reliable service and are cheap and easy to fix. Why do they need to run perfect? They just need to run well enough to have some fun and satisfy your riding needs. They sure did for many years before FI ever became a thing on dirt bikes.
Well said.i have 2018 tpi and have left it on the the trail once and walked a couple of miles back to my pick up.the more hours the more problems show up.
@@lowstakescrusher Battery, e-start system, oil injection system, fuel fump, wiring harness, FI sensors, fuel filters, fuel injectors are all addtional electronic items that need maitenance/inspection that bikes equipped with carbs and kickers don't have. Any of the above fail and your bike isn't running.
@@lowstakescrusher Completely disagree with your assessment but your entitled to your opinion. I would suggest visting a KTM forum where you can in fact find that all of the above items require maintenance. Even wiring harnesses require anti-corrosion maintenance.
@@lowstakescrusher knowing what sensor to replace when one fails. waiting to get one from a local dealer. replacing starters, batteries and the fuel pump. i could go on.
Sherco 300 SE Factory with Smart Carb > anything EFI. The TPI and now TBI ‘upgrade’ didn’t come from better performance, they came from emissions standards. If a company makes over a certain amount of bikes per year, they are regulated by the EU emissions board… which is why KTM is required to run lean and marketed EFI as ‘the future’. You can’t bypass that ratio for more torque.
Guys paid off by KTM
I ended up buying my 2020 xcw 300 becauseof finding your channel and haven't regretted it for one moment. It puts nothing but a smile on my face every time I ride. I haven't done the idle mod, but haven't needed to yet but from what your saying about fine tuning in this video, I 'll reconsider it. Thanks for all that you do Kyle. Have a good one brother.
get your ecu reflashed by tpi tuning adventures jhon ross can reprogram it to throw more oil at it and make it run as good as anything out there and while your at it ho ahead and send him your suspension im a 63 yr old rider n alot of younger riders are shocked what my 22 300 can do now
I personally had a 19 tx300 and a 21 300xc and the 21 felt sluggish and underpowered I sold the 21 and kept the 19. I'm excited to see what the tbi is like but did not like the power from the tpi. Not a bad bike I just didn't like it.
if you get a chance to ride a pre ‘17, KTM two stroke, then do it… You’ll notice the counter balancer killed all of the power in these 17+ bikes. granted non-counterbalanced bikes vibrate more but power difference is night and day difference.
I have a TPI and plan on getting a carb for my next one. Fuel pump, oil pump, two pressure sensors, two fuel injectors, ECU, throttle position sensor...all things that at best need periodic maintenance or replacement (not cheap) or worse could leave you stranded.
Exactly why I just bought a yamaha yz250x and selling my ktm 300tpi 22.
I would advise you to find a competent mechanic to work on your KTM next time. There is absolutely no way all those parts have actually failed on your bike. You have a “parts replacement specialist” working on your bike, not a mechanic.
@@mikeh423 My point was that those are all parts that carb bikes don't have, i.e. not have to give any concern to. Not that TPI has been unreliable for me, but some may just like a simpler system.
Ah, I can see it now. Head up to the trail head with your 1985 Chevy pickup with a 2002 cr250. Screw you technology.
@@markstone2877 🤣
I've had my Sherco 300 2 stroke for over 18 months and it runs like a dream. I'll stick to carb thanks.
Carbs = reliability and simplicity.
Getting with the times = sacrificing reliabity.
Possibly the 2023 models have got most of the problems sorted out. But I don't think your sample group of three is statistically valid. You'd need a much bigger sample group to speak with authority. If you speak confidentially with mechanics who've had a lot to do with TPI models there have definitely been many cases which prove there are serious issues. They aren't all caused by the owner!
Very true. Even if the majority are hitting problems, a failure rate of, say, 10% in the first year is a real problem. For example, Beta two strokes in 2018 and 2019 had around a 5 to 10% rate of seizing due to manufacturing problems. Many owners said it was untrue because their bike was fine. but they were within the 90 to 95% who had no problems of course. Even the Beta factory enventually admitted the issue and the failure rate.
True. Known issues usually only occur in a limited number of cases which is why owners usually don't have the big picture. We know KTM mechanics who have told us of serious design flaws in the TPI system at least up to 2022.
Yes!
@@TractioneRag Two years ago I spoke with a KTM mechanic who told me a lot of TPI bikes were seizing at low hours, to the point they were waiting months for top end rebuild kits. He said it was happening in other countries too. It was still only a minority of bikes, but definitely enough to be a known issue and cause a run on parts.
Carbs don't need adjusted as much as people want to claim. Havnt touched mine besides cleaning jets in years lol, idk...they run fine
Facts
I agree. Not everyone rides at high altitudes that change drastically in a day's ride.
yeah sure ...my ktm 300 2008 work as fine as new ... maybe better.... i ride huskys and ktms tpi every time the same question in my mind ..." whats wrong with this bike?" they have a lot of problens and absolutely no more power!... for sure more expensive maintenance..no kyle tpi are not better ..we ll see after 12 years if a tpi bike works as my 2008... and how much you will spend in 12 years ...
Couldn't have said it better myself
I have a 22 300xc I've put 120 hrs on it in 8 months and it has never missed a beat
There so good. Thanks for the good content stay safe and ride hard
Love my 22 xc300
Damn, where do you live that allows you to ride so much?
@Aaron ___ Alabama. I practice in my front yard all the time. On the weekends I go to Highland Park in cedar town Georgia. Life is good
Problem is my carbed 300xc absolutely runs better than the TPI bike. The dyno shows it makes more power than a TBI, I'm not that concerned about a horse or 2 and will most likely own a TBI soon, I'll keep my carbed 300 though to tinker with. The TPI bikes where designed for euro 5 emissions, and cost way to much to tune and still not match a carbed bike after a couple grand.
Almost no one is trashing the TBI bikes. The TPI was a mistake on the competition models it worked for some but for those that like a crisp 2 stroke it never measured up.
I fully concur. I Primarily race MX and have a 23 450 SX. I liked having an XC bike around so I could race the occasional woods races. I had a 14 250 XC I bought to beat around on in the woods and loved it but it was kind of dated so I bought a 350 XCF as I didnt like the TPI bikes. I also didnt like the 350 personally but I must add i had a Rekluse in it and it neutered the bike but was needed to prevent stalls. I sold the 350 a couple months ago and picked up a 23 300xc. i have been on these since 76 and competed in MX and off road for about 30 years. This 23 300XC is the most perfect 2 stroke bike I have ever ridden and the most fun to ride woods competition motorcycle I have ever ridden. Honestly the entire bike in my opinion is damn near perfect. i have cone valves on my 23 450 and expected to have to do major suspension work to this 300 but honestly even the suspension is decent.
The exception for a carby bike is one fitted with a SmartCarb. Starts easily, doesn't have air/fuel mixture issues, uses less fuel and will run upside down!
More information on these smart cards please
I don't have anything against the EFI 2T but I think they should keep a version with carb and kickstarter. This reminds me the day Honda stopped making 2T... they killed all the fun and that's the reason I have a 2008 KTM 300xc today.
Kyle, over the years, I have really appreciated the work you have done on your channel, especially your bike reviews. So please don't take this personally. 😊 But I vehemently disagree with the content of this video. Here are 4 reasons why:
1. The main reason carb bikes don't run well for most people is simply because they do NOT know how to tune them. My father is a carb guru, and we have ridden many carbed 2-strokes over the years, including the bikes we have now, that run great. In fact, I think our current carbed bikes run better than the EFI bikes I've ridden. The EFI bikes have too soft of a bottom end. My 2022 Sherco SE 250 Factory will smoke my friends 2021 KTM 250 XC, all the way through the powerband.
2. A big reason why people complain about the EFI bikes, and is the reason I won't buy one, is because they have had terrible experiences with them, not just because of what they've seen on the Internet. I have heard and seen first hand so many horror stories from people I know that I am not willing to take a chance on them, especially since our carbed bikes run phenomenal....like today, and 25 years ago.
3. 2-strokes were never going to die, and KTM sure as heck can't take the credit for "saving" them. The hot 4-stroke trend started before you started riding back around the year 2000. People jumped on the bandwagon and started buying the 4-strokes. But over time, a lot of those same people realized the hot 4-strokes weren't what they were cracked up to be, and they started migrating back to 2-strokes. 2-strokes were already making a comeback before KTM went to EFI.
4. A huge reason Beta and Sherco are becoming so popular is because enough people have had bad experiences with the EFI bikes, and they want to go back to a carb. It's because people DON'T want EFI that those other brands are thriving. In effect, KTM is helping those other brands because they are losing market share to the brands with carbs. The biggest reason KTM is the biggest brand is because they hit their stride with the off-road market several years before Beta and Sherco, not because they make a superior product.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a KTM hater. It's just that every time I ride a 2020 or newer KTM, Husky, or Gas Gas, it feels like a disappointment compared to our Betas and Sherco.
I really do appreciate your passion, Kyle, but I think it's important for the truth to be known.
Bought a tpi after yor 2018 review. Zero failures, zero complaints, pure joy
I rode a 2023 300sx 3-4 months ago back to back with my built 2022 250sx. Both bikes are very fast, but the responsiveness and smooth power is something a carbed bike will never match. First time I’ve ever thrown my leg over a bike and thought “this bike is revolutionary.”
I ride a yz250. Not even an x. I KNOW its downfalls. I've been riding with a good friend that has a sherco factory 300 and it's super nice. Personally I dont trust KTMs reliability and I dont think I could part ways with the KYB suspension.
I bought a 23 125sx for my son to race this year and he has little over 10hrs on it and likes it. I've started to look for parts to do a top end and it seems all oem pistons are on backorder till August. I've looked for aftermarket pistons and haven't had any luck with that either. How is he going to race it this year with no parts available to service it? Where do you get your top end rebuild kits?
Question is what would you prefer, 300, 250 or 125. I'm hung up with 300 and 125 for road and off road use. Where I live we only need a headlight to register any dirtbike. It can be a kx450 or crf450 doesn't matter can get rego no problem. P.s small island in the middle of the south pacific ocean.
I can’t really disagree.
To be fair though the TPI bikes aren’t perfect and can be difficult to troubleshoot (but for the most part the community has figured out most issues now).
TBI remains to be seen if they have fewer issues than TPI (like CCPS, etc).
Glad your experience has been so good. Not everyone's has. These bikes were developed to pass emissions. They are undeniably more problematic than a carbed bike. No, I'm not comparing it to my twenty-five-year-old YZ250 on a perfect day. I'm comparing them to my 2018 te300 with a Billetron carb that I ride in various elevations regularly. I have no oil pump or tps sensor to worry about. It's the best running and most reliable bike I've ever had.
Glad someone's talking sense on this. It's not only runability it that it won't run. Megsbraap is just one example aside from my personal experiences.
@@jeffreysmith9154 What happened with Meg's bike? Was curious but never followed up
I am the original owner of a 1991 CR500 bought it new I ride off road had it ported to smooth out the hit added flywheel RG3 suspension mods fmf gnarly pipe desert tank IMS pegs scotts stabilizer I'm now 60 years old lots of hrs riding desert & forest single track this bike has never failed me, oh did I mention about a year ago I added a smart carb and it's bad ass I can ride anywhere here in So Cal from Ocotillo wells to Kennedy Meadows the bike is low maintenance no power valve to clean or adjust I have other bikes but I really like the 500 low maintenance.
But have you had a 300tpi?
My 2020 TPI bike runs flawlessly - but I still wish my bike was carbed. Just because of the crank case pressure sensor issues. I wish the sensor itself was developed for dirt bikes and I wish the system was better designed. Still love my bike though
So here’s my question, I’ve got no bias toward either efi or carbs. I’d love to have the ease of use of not worrying about constant adjustment, but I can’t afford a new bike by any stretch of the means. So my 04 yz125 isn’t going anywhere. Would you suggest the lectron? Have you used it much or have an opinion on it?
i'm the kind of tuner who changes actual needles and needle jet tubes to get the result i want... and i can tell you that if you know what you are doing there are clear advantages to NOT having the Lectron style units. what you have is have is good stuff. just keep in mind that they do wear and things generally get richer. note that the Lectron still requires tuning to set up.
spend your money on tires, chains and new pistons and be happy. your suspension can be a lot better too. find a buddy who likes doing valving. that is a great bike. hang on to it and don't covet the aluminum frames. steel is better.
I have not heard any great things about Lectron carbs. As far as my Hondas go, I change main jets and needle position as required for altitude. Not during a ride, but if I'm traveling to a location at a significantly different altitude, I'll adjust accordingly. My bikes never give me trouble with this practice.
It all sounds great bro. We're can I get one I've been riding for a year now and am on a 2007 yz125 first bike it's what I could afford basically. For that bike do you have any advice to make it run better.
my whole point when i was a kid was that i took the 2 stroke bikes over the 4 stroke because everything down to crank replacement i could do in an afternoon or two and as a high school kid it made life much easier especially because i had to pay for it. and back then only 4 stroke bikes were fuel injected for the most part. not to mention my 2 strokes allways started in a kick or two hot or cold reguardless of where i was because i learned how a carb works and once i set it up it was fine. that said those fuel injected bikes will all ways make more ponies than any carbed bike on any day of the week anywhere.
I have not owned a TPI but ride with 6 people that do or did own them and only 1 of the 6 bikes did not have some kind of sensor issue, electrical issue, or oil leaking out of the power valve. I've towed two of them out of the woods with my carb'd TX300 both with some kind of bad relay that would not allow the bike to start. I have not seen any of them blow up but electrical gremlins are just something I don't want to deal with. The only issue I've had with my TX300 is a dead battery, but the kickstarter worked just fine to get me going but it's hard to find a kickstarter on these new bikes anymore. Now I do like what I've been reading about the TBI bikes but still don't know if I would go that route. Out of the 6 guys I ride with that have/had TPI most of them are switching to Beta and Sherco to avoid issues.
Don't let Kyle put that TX300 down it's still a great and capable bike
@@thatfast3002 I have to agree. Jetting has been good and problem free after a jd jet kit and this thing puts out more power than I'll ever need.
My carburetored 2-stroke runs perfect everytime I ride it. So elevation change is the only time an EFI shines?
What is a better race bike a ktm 125cc 2022 or a ktm 125cc 2023 I want to buy one but I don’t know which one can someone help me please?
The best part about 2 strokes is the simplicity. Bringing all this tech to two strokes is amazing, but there is a reason the YZ250 is still selling as well as it is. Also carbs like Smart carbs/Lectron are a fantastic middle ground solution and a great example of what can be achieved if they put more R&D into carbs instead of just jumping to EFI.
Price is why the YZ 250 sells as well as it does. Don't get me wrong...I am glad Yami still makes 2 strokes. KYB suspension is awesome.
@@brianmullins739 Then I wonder why Shercos with a carb sell so well too 🤔 I bought my YZ for the simplicity, I've dumped plenty of money into it that could have easily gone towards a KTM.
@@LizardHunter777 Because they haven't ridden the TBI yet. 🤣
@@brianmullins739 Please don't tell me you're talking about the fuel injection that they finally got to feel like a carb again 😂
@@LizardHunter777 Please don't tell me the carb is better because it's simpler. 🤣
I own a carbureted Sherco, have had carbureted KTM's, carbureted Beta's, and now own a TBI KTM. The TBI is good for sure. I mean it is real good. That said, the throttle response isn't quite as snappy as a well tuned carbureted 2 stroke, IMO. Fuel injection is nice as it will adjust for altitude, air temperature, etc. Carbureted bikes are less expensive in the long run. The fuel pumps need replaced in the TBI KTM every two years. I haven't checked the cost of these pumps but cost is cost. Still this rant is a bit over the top. Kyle if you love it and think TBI is the cats pajamas that's cool. Don't come down on folks that still prefer a carburetor. Both have their strengths and drawbacks. You are a TH-cam influencer, and there is an expectation that you'll get the usual haters, debbie downers, etc. Grow some thicker skin brother.
I totally agree but I don't think he is hating on people that like carburetors. He is hating on the fact that people say EFI can never be good on a 2 stroke and carburetors are the only way to go and that KTM can't do anything right.
@@cjw6454 Opinions are like bellybuttons and everyone has one. I agree with you. My point was that Kyle needs to get thicker skin as their will always be someone disagreeing, trying to rattle people, being a jerk, etc. You get the picture. Some people argue just for the sake of arguing. Kyle has managed to make a living doing something he enjoys. I think it is awesome. I have a sneaky suspicion that the folks that give him a hard time are jealous and simply unhappy with their own lives.
@@cjw6454 the whole concept of TPi is wrong, they should have never started it in first place and use TBi system instead as succesfully used in snowmobiles for years. KTM TBi just needs oil pump to be road legal and all sorted.
I've got an 18 carbed 300xcw had issues with tuning till I put a jd jet kit in it now it runs great. Haven't had a chance to ride a fuel injected bike but I'm sure they are awesome especially if you ride all different elevations. I usually am between 2500-7000 so the carb can compensate in that range.
you would benefit from the EFI so much more than us low landers. you are loosing a lot of performance with that 4500 ft spread with no tuning.
Does anyone know how the TBI’s run with changes in elevation? I ride from 5,000 ft to 13,000 feet in the same week. TIA.
I’ve had 3 TPI bikes and have over 300 hours between them with no issues other than basic adjustment of the air screw and a idle adjustment screw. I currently have a 22 Sherco with a Smartcarb and a 23 Husky TPI. The Sherco runs good with the Smartcarb, but it took a lot of trial and error to get dialed in and still requires some adjustment at extreme elevations and temperatures and has an off idle gurgling that is common with carburetord bikes. Husky TPI runs perfectly everywhere. I’m not buying another carbureted bikes.
KYLE,IN THE 60S I HAD A GREEVES 250,IT DIDNT EVEN HACE A PIPE,JUST A 12 INCH PIECE GOING STRAIGHT DOWN,IT WAS A GREAT RUNNING BIKE ,NEVER HAD TO DO ANYTHING BUT RIDE IT,I USED TO CHASE JACK RABITS WITH IT,SO MUCH FUN..IM 84 NOW AND I RIDE A KMX 125 ITS A GOOD ONE TOO,VERY WELL BALANCED,GREETINGS FROM THE PHILIPPINES KYLE AND FAMILY
Kyle, you had too much sugar cereal bud! All hyped up, and I love it. I race Hare Scrambles in Florida and the KTM 2 strokes have a giant presence. I havent ridden the new TBI bike, but my close riding buddy has one and he calls it a freaking weapon. Keep up the good work, and spread the news about these bikes. thank you!
I went to Sherco because of owning a 2018 and 2020 250 xcw tpi that did not want to start in temperatures colder than 60 degrees. They didn't idle after 5 to 10 hours no matter what I did to tune it. In 2020 my 2020 KTM crank case sucked in at 50 hours and also took out the main bearing. The KTM rep told me that it was an old bike with a lot of hours and wouldn't help me with it. That's why I went to a 2021 Sherco with over a 110 hours on it now and that bike has been solid.
Kyle I bought my first 2stroke because of your videos, and specifically a TPI. All my Rocky Mountain purchases go toward your link. I’m a believer!
me too bro. I bought a 300 and a 150 for my wife because of kyle and it was the best decision. i love my Japanese bikes too but my KTMS are fire
I put a SmartCarb on my 2017 YZ250X and so far, so good. It's not EFI but the atomization is solid.
@WolfieMel I kept the original Keihin carb as a spare/back up. Cleaned the jets and air passages and replaces the lines. If I ever need to install it, she's ready to go.
@WolfieMel BRAAAAAAAAP 🤘
Are you allowed to run them on the Vintage classes?
Maybe I'm missing something here. Hell I'd be happy with disc brakes or linkage rear suspension the carb is the least of my worries.
I bought a 2022 Gas Gas MC 250 for woods riding. It's super light, very simple, relatively inexpensive, and runs great. I've ridden it back to back with a 2022 EX 300 that was tuned and to be honest I preferred my bike. You could feel the weight difference quite a bit and the softer power delivery of my carbureted bike was a bit easier to deal with in the tight and slick conditions we were riding in. I've ridden from sea level to six thousand feet and I don't have any complaints about how the engine responds. All that being said fuel injection can be amazing. I'm sure the response and power of the new TBI bikes is hard to beat. A lot of us just like the mechanical simplicity of a less complex platform. And it would be nice if there was always that option going forward. I hate the fact that much of this is driven by ridiculous environmental regulations as well. Thanks for all the great videos and information man. We all just need to get along and go riding, cheers. 😀👍
I honestly haven’t heard anything bad about the fuel injected two strokes from people that own them
Hope they are rebuilding them every 50hrs 👀
@chadrides914 Done my first top end rebuild on my 2019 300 TPI at 219 hours pal..with NO issues whatsoever..But I maintain my bikes better than what's in the books.
Because the TPI bikes are fine. I have a 2021 300xcw I bought off the showroom floor, I ride 2x a week and follow the maintenance schedule in the manual. Zero issues. If you ride your bike once a month and leave it in the shed the rest of the time, ya, you might have issues. There's also always the one offs that have a bad experience but thats every bike out there. Beyond that, there's a huge secondary market on YT to complain about anything and everything. Everyone I actually know with a TPI loves it
@@albertsammut433 i ran a 1998 RMX250 for 8 years with no failures (other than a power valve spring). when i changed the piston at over 400 hrs, the old piston looked brand new, and afterward i could tell no performance difference. but that's with a lot of low RPM riding.
I have the new 300sx. It is indeed crazy powerful in map 2. Map 1 is more like an extra torquie 250f and easy to ride. Map 2 is the fun mode. 😀
Power everywhere on the 23' 300. White map if you want reasonable power. Green map if you want a rocket. Super cool to have kind of have two bikes in one with a push of a button. Thank you electronic power valve and TBI.
I'm with you, I love my '23 300xc! My one and only complaint is that sometimes it will backfire when I shut it down mid way through a ride, has yours ever done that?
try holding the throttle wide open when you kill it. should stop that.
not that i have tried it, just logically speaking.
@@yukonjon5964 I might try rev'ing it up before killing it, but going full throttle seems a bit much.
@@suzuki06g oh hey, sorry, not WFO when it's running. i meant... as you press and hold the kill button, open the throttle at the same time while the engine is stalling. this will mix air in with the unburnt fuel left in the system and prevent the backfire.
by the way, its a good idea when holding any 2-stroke wide open for a long time in top gear to slow down with the kill button, not by chopping the throttle. keep it wide open for awhile as you slow down using the kill switch.
in the old days when free air bikes blew up a lot, that was known as the beach-run procedure. keeps the cool fuel flowing through the engine as it winds back down. just remember to chop the throttle before you let go of the kill button again.
The fuel pumps are a added failure point and I would hate to go over the bars on a jump like chad reed did in super cross.
Kyle I don’t think you personally have enough experience with carbed bikes… you’ve been riding for a few years now only and within a very short period of time have had nothing but the best of the best. I won’t deny the Ktm group homes are phenomenal, however the maintenance and the ability to quickly and easily tune and modify a carbed bike is undeniable.
You’re mistaken if you think he doesn’t have enough time on carbed bikes. He’s been riding a “short period” however in that short period he’s put in a lot of time on all types of bike and I’d easily say more time than you or a lot of people in these comments. It’s just naive to try and discredit his experience. However I would greatly agree with you. Carbed bikes are like old diesel motors. So beautiful and simple. And the cost to maintain is low. I’ve got a 18 tc250 that I absolutely love. Along with a 22 yz450f I only really ride mx but it’s drastically cheaper and easier to maintain the 250. I’ve gotten to be around a buddy with the new 23 300sx and I’ve got to say. It’s not that much more complicated to maintain.
I have an idea for a good video. Compare the 23 300 XC TBI vs a 300 XC-W TPI with the latest TSP hybrid throttle body injection kit with medium compression. Can an existing TPI be made to run like the new TBI?
I have a question if you or anyone on here can please help. I have a 22 ktm300xcw(tpi) it seems sluggish off idol. What can I do to resolve this?
As the CEO of Sherco said: We see no reason to switch to TPI if the carburator runs better.
Every enduro bike I rode which had a Keihin carburator always ran perferctly. Even better with tuning. But they never bugged whatsoever, even when running very rich. And even if I change my jetting from summer to winter, it's still way less work (and cheaper) than replacing the oil pump filter etc every 80h as KTM says. Also from what I've seen you put way more work into figuring out how to get your TPIs tuned well then any normal person would. A normal person wouldn't even realize that their KTM doesn't run as well as their other KTM from the previous year as you often mentioned that this was the reason you understood how to tune it. I don't claim KTM ruined the 2 stroke whatsoever. By now they can get their bikes to run as good as a normal carburator. They had to do it, other brands didn't have to. I prefer the simplicity. And I don't know how long you run yout bikes for, but I assume under 100/150 hours. The pistons of TPI engines (especially 2018 models (in europe)) but also 2019 models last significantly less to a bike with carb. I have no expertise on 2020 models onwards. As I said: they get on the level of the carb which is awesome, while adjusting themself also. That is a huge +. However simplicity, tunabilty, etc. of a carb is a plus on their side too.
Yes till you get to altitude Then you have to dick around with jetting it
that CEO cant tell the difference between a carb and a wet pussy
Never had a problem with a TPI bike? I recall a video of a TPI bike being towed out of 5MOH. Maybe I imagined it.
Im looking at getting my first 2 stroke for trail riding. I have some experience on a 150 4 stroke. What 2 stroke should I get, a KTM 150 XCW or a Beta Xtrainer 250?
i cant speak about the Bata as i have no experience with them, but i am certain you would have more fun on the 150. at least till you get used to a bigger frame. the power needing to stay up in the revs will be similar to your 150F, but with more hit. but the main reason i say the 150 is because of how much more fun it can be to ride something with less rotating mass. the 150 will handle better because of that, more than because it's lighter. you will be able to hold it wide open more and just ride. with any 250 you will need to be a lot more careful with the excess power. wait till you are older to get a 250. you will be a better rider by then and big enough to control it.
if you get a tpi 150 it will be even more fun due to the extra torque, but i can't suggest one as they will be better when they come out as tbi, not the current tpi. for now a carb model may be more wise. have fun.
Heard somwhere you were looking at getting a TM. Interested in what you have to say about them.
450 vs 300 two stroke vs 300 four stroke.
I agree... I do not miss jetting. When I started racing with my brother, if was 2-strokes only, and we would often have to re-jet for a specific track, which was not a huge deal, to be honest, but one less thing to do with fuel injections and computer control. Then 2 strokes almost, completely went away, and that was super sad. Emission controls have become very, very strict. So, I applaud KTM for at least fighting the battle to keep 2-strokes alive.
I have a 2022 TE300, bought used with 18hrs on it. It has a sputter/stutter just off throttle that drives me nuts. I can’t figure it out. I’ve tried warming it up every way the internet suggests, changed ccps & aaps, cleaned injectors, high octane non ethanol gas, fresh plug gapped correctly, clean air filter, nothing gets rid of it! Checked compression, it’s perfect. I wish I could be one of the guys that says “My bike runs flawlessly” but I’m just not there…😔
Yea same here.
Curious if you have the air screw and idle screw mod? I had to do those and the Tokyo off-road CCPS tray and new sensors. I die electric greased all connections. Also run the power valve flush and replaced the fuel filter. Might want to check the fuel filter again or replace it and clean the tank out. The filter is notorious for hairline cracking and hard to diagnose.
Mine runs great now. Pissed me off for a long time. Shouldnt have to do all that to a new bike but is what it is now. I have close to 100 hrs
Also check the line and fitting from the oil pump to the cylinder head. Take a pin or something small and stick it though to clear it out. I heard a lot of people’s reeds were caked with oil from the dummies at the dealerships putting the bikes together and priming the oil pump too much
@@stevenllewellyn8906 thanks man I’ll check that out. Something I didn’t check was the reeds. I just have the air bypass at 4 turns, didn’t do an idle screw yet but that’s my next step. Talked to a couple people that had similar problems, one guy said he put a high comp head with an ecu download from tps along with the idle screw & his was resolved. Whether it was the idle screw that did it or the ecu, he wasn’t sure. I’d just like to get it running good 1st before I start upgrading
@@rhouser1280 no worries. I know it’s frustrating. Getting the air bypass screw adjusted with the idle screw helped out a lot. Still have pipe bang but stuck with that till I do a tuner.
Can somebody please tell me why the number plates are now putting those little tabs in front of the the lower triple clamp? My ‘22 TE has them too, do they not want us using the little tie down holes in there?
Hey kyle i rlly need ur help! So i left a cloth in my air intake on my husky 2023 tpi 300 when i was cleaning it and forgot i left it in there and ran it two times but didn’t ride it because it wasn’t revving out but now it wont idle properly without stalling and it sometimes it wont start and then and i press e start again then it starts… Do you think it will be okay? What do you think i can do to fix my problems I’m only asking because it seems like you know alot about tpi bikes. If you could help that would be greatly appreciated🙏 im so new to tpi
No one is bitchin about TBI! I just wont touch a TPI bike! Can't believe KTM is still selling them, should all be coming with the new TBI
premixed bikes(tbi) can not be road legal in emision strict countries/states, therefor TPi is here to stay.
It's not about how they can run when tuned. It's about simplicity. I was lucky to find an 18 with 15 hours. I will probably never sell it.
I have an 18 300XC and a 22 300XC TPI. Hands down the 22 is better at EVERYTHING. Carb is OK. TPI is absolutely better
@Cam N Fair enough. However, I picked this up for 6k ready to ride(pipe,silencer, skidplate etc.) I had lots of money left to add a smartcarb and proper suspension. No oil pump,fuel pump, injectors,ecu, etc. I'll sacrifice a little performance for simplicity. I'm 40 years old and will never be fast enough to need more.
@@nick4872 the deal you got on your bike is not what this thread is about Nick. It’s about is a carb better than TPI and is technology improving the bikes. Good for you that you got a good deal and ride what you bring and be happy you are riding. You getting a good deal is not relevant to the narrative. I’m a fast 55 yr old rider and I will take the TPI over the carb every time. Every bike will break when abused. Treat whatever bike you bring well and maintain it well and you won’t have to walk home.
I have a TPI and it runs flawlessly - however the issue is that it is substantially softer off the bottom and doesn't have as much torque as my previous carb bikes. You need to rev it up more and be more active with the clutch - it's not worse or better just different. I do miss the low end grunt and I am going to do the TSP map and low compression head at some point.
they dont even have low end grunt lol so efi must be crap if they feel even more gutless lower down
@@TheCraigy83 What do you mean? A carb 300 2 stroke has tons of low end grunt. The TPI has less. This is partly due to the efi from the factory which is set up basically to pass emission laws, not to deliver maximum power. It may also be due to the location of the injectors at the transfer port although I have yet to see evidence that this is the case. Most people say the new throttle body injection TBI bikes have more low end grunt, but so far that's just anecdotal evidence of people saying "yeah man it's totally better dude!"
@@rideroftheweek
i'm talking 2stroke in general dont have much before the band rolls on , ive not rode a 300 tho only 250 + 125's ktm sx and rm
Would it be possible to do a step by step tutorial on tuning a TPI bike. start to finish. I have a 2022 gasgas ec250 i wanna get perfect
I feel like this video is directed towards me because my 21 TX300i was the worst bike ive ever owned. AND.... I was very vocal about it. I never emailed Kyle about it though...I took it to the dealership multiple times to reflash the ECU. I was admittedly stubborn and refused to add more money to an already $11000 plus TPI bike when my brothers 2016 YZ250x would SPANK it everywhere in the power curve. Didnt matter if it was summer or winter either. However, I have never said that KTM are ruining two strokes. I sold my TPI bike and got a 2022 TC 250 slightly used and converted it to a TX300 with the powerparts kit and 18" rear wheel. Love it. I think the TBI makes more sense now and I would like to try one. I LOVE the counter balanced motors they have. They are so smooth. Sorry Kyle..... BUT I WAS PISSED AT THE TIME TOO!!!!!!!
Wow, a Yamaha YZ250x competing with a 300i? There is definitely something wrong guy. My grandson has a YZ250x and it doesn’t stand a chance against my KTM 300xc-w TPI which is basically the same bike as yours as I understand it. Keep pushing the dealer to reflash the ECU or something…. That ain’t right.
@@prestonthomas9406 it’s long gone. I’m on a carb bike now.
Thanks Kyle, about time somebody cleared the air and called the naysayers. I have the 2020 300Tpi, best bike I have ever ridden full stop. Without KTM we would have lost 2 strokes for ever. Mine has gone a little flat over first 1/3 of throttle so needs a tweak. I have been reluctant to change anything as it is still a beast and is so far above anything I have owned previously but perhaps I need to add an idle screw etc as you suggested.
Do you have a video or can you recommend one/more that show those procedures. 57yrs so I have heaps of skills/knowledge with carby models but have been tentative playing with my new KTM and have chosen just to trust the KTM guru's:)
Regards from Australia, enjoy your vids alot, ride safe mate.
I would love to try one but for me my 2018 tx 300 is perfect as there kick start and electric start. Counterbalance shaft model so no vibrations and in Ireland no altitude jetting issued to deal with it always runs good here. Top end intervals seem to be a bit longer on the carb models aswel
I can't afford a brand new bike, much less the entire line. Some of use must live in reality 🤣✌️
I agree another bike I can't afford
I agree. The cost of ktm dirt bikes two and four stroke are beyond my sensibilities. We han just as much fun and adventure back in the seventies on hodakas.
@@mxbadboy263 I used to ride an old Honda 90 in the 70s
Keep carbureting cool videos like this for the community 😊But just to mention KTM is probably the most notorious off-road brand at the moment and is pushing forward the 2s technology but TM Racing assembled its bikes with TPI and then TBI technology before KTM and it’s a boutique brand with high quality handmade bikes producing around 3000/year not 300000. KTM didn’t create the tech TPI or TBI they just made it famous in 2s, only that which is already an important step. Yamaha R3 was one of the first models to feature TPI technology when it was introduced in 2017. TBI technology was first introduced by Bosch in the early 1980s, and it quickly became a popular method of fuel injection for vehicles.
What about the Lectron carb? Have you ridden them? Are they good enough?
Can you do a video on how to know does your 2 stroke run lean or rich on smartcarb or how to tune your smart carb to run perfect
The bikes are great if looked after properly and a lot of guys out there just run the god dam things until they break before considering maintenance along the way. I have a 2019 Tpi which has 250hrs on. Yes I did a rebuild at 200hrs and I have remapped the ECU for better performance at a pretty low cost compared with other stuff what's available. The bike is still a great bike running the original oil pump and crankcase pressure sensor with Zero electrical problems need I say anymore I love it and I know how to look after it with care. I work on the current GasGas TPi range and again they are great bikes. That's the one I would go for now if I were upgrading my KTM. Granted there have been problems along the way with TPi but the other manufactures that run carb's have other build quality issues that seem to go unnoticed. 🤷♂
Nice to have a rant every now and again Kyle because its good for the soul 👍
Please explain the 2020 tpi of my riding companion that seized at .1 hours and again at 20 hours.
@@gpaull2 explain the number of Betas breaking down with flat batteries or Sherco’s needing clutches? From what I see there have been some cylinder issues most likely down to casting faults. There’s thousands of these bikes out there running good. It’s always the bad we hear about and that’s always highlighted. The hundreds of bikes I’ve seen sold on the whole have served there owners well. Some that have come back and I’m talking just a handful that were warranty claims and all resolved. The others I’ve seen have been operator error, Deep water , hole in radiator boiled dry , never cleaned causing electrical issues etc and there’s a lot of operator error out there unfortunately.
I mean you can just get a smart carb. I do enjoy riding the fuel injection bikes but I just prefer the power delivery of the carb bikes
is it easy to work on vs a regular carb bike?
I got the '23 Gasgas EC 300 and love it. It's TPI but runs amazing and consistent. Some don't like TPI but I don't mind it and I can't ask for more. I wish it didn't have the oil pump and complexity of it but then again it seems pretty robust. I do have a few worries like others have mentioned with failed oil pumps and so I have wondered of adding extra oil to the gas like 1 oz. Regardless all I've done is changed the power valve aux spring to a green one with 2 turns from flush and find it very smooth (for my skill level lol). It even idles fairly well. I may add a tuning idle screw to help raise it a little but other than that she runs perfect and fires right up.
Didn't KTM buy GasGas?
I have no issue with ktm having ridden them from 1998 to 2002. I was leery of TPI with its oil starvation problems and water ingress problems. I think tbi solves those issues and will be the blueprint for future bikes. Likely after I destroy my smart carb equipped 2007 yz250 I'll eye a KTM or variant.
@@AmateurHourProdu I love it, granted it's not perfect and you will end up with a tiny flat spot in the mids tuning it's jetting is as easy as shutting the bike off, holding the throttle open, pressing and twisting a knob up top. I mainly got one for my YZ to get 50+ miles on the stock tank for harescrambles.
Get a Rieju! You got me to buy a 2020 250xc because of your videos, and loved it!
But, the suspension and price point of the Rieju is hard to beat! EFI or not, love anything two wheels! Have a good one, Kyle!
Do you have a rieju? I would be interested to see how it compares to the KTM.
@@ericgray8396 me too
Yeah I have a MR250 Racing. Highly recommend! The bikes had a issue with the starter failing since the 18-19 gas gas bike. You could do a wet mod to it to eliminate it from failing but starting in 2022, Reiju updated it and completely eliminated that issue people were having. But hey even in previous years if the starter failed they still have a kickstart which I wish ktm still had haha!
I would recommend the bike to anyone! I hope to see them start really growing in the states! Simple bike, everything quality, and seriously quite a bit more affordable.
The reviews on the Riejus are excellent. Well equipped with top components, reliable motors, solid build quality.
Just upgraded from a 2018 KTMXC300 carb to a brand new Gas Gas EC300. Was worried would be disappointed with new bikes performance but have it running pretty much the same with few adjustments on power valve and I am really looking forward to not having all the hassles with carb jetting, fuel leaking out the bottom etc
I read a lot of the comments and agree regardless the complexity of the new EFI strikers, however I bought one any way. 19 TE250i and admittedly had to change a fuel filter and a spark plug on the trail, but only because I stupidly confused the change interval. But I’ve got to say the thing runs like a Swiss watch, no hiccups no fouled plugs from lugging it to much. Never had to blow it out to save a plug, great torque down low, super over rev ( yeah it’s the 250 ) I just love it. As for the suspension I sunk $1300 into it and now it’s as good as a stock 2022. Which is awesome by the way. And E-start, and no mixing gas, did I say no mixing gas. I got a 2 stroke that will go 400 mile before I need to ad more 2stroke oil. That means SoCal Desert or what ever. Uses a lot less gas to. I can get 120 miles on a tank. That’s like a 4 stroke. Then the very best part, they sound sooo good. And they look trick with that sick pipe and silencer. There’s my thoughts, but but really riding is just plain fun! See you out there. Peace!
I think it depends on 2 things.
Elevation/temp change during a ride
How you ride
If one encounters large variations in either temperature or elevation or both during a ride then TBI (or even TPI) will definitely perform better than if you dont adjust your carburetor. If however your temp and elevation swings are minimal and your carb bike is jetted correctly to begin with those small changes can be made into a non issue with small air screw adjustments.
Secondly some people simply prefer how a carb delivers low end power. TM for example lets you order their bikes with the only difference being either a carb or TBI… your choice. Choice is a good thing. A mechanical carb may not have the same broad range of usability with no adjustments but it wont ever break.
I think the bigger truth is many people do not know how to correctly jet a carbureted 2 stroke and TBI or TPI is a great thing for them.
A manual transmission in a sports car may not be as quick around a race track as a dual clutch paddle shifted automatic but Porsche still sells plenty of manuals!
Choice is a good thing!
So when do you ride without elevation and temp changes? Maybe you might, but the rest of us don't.
I agree with this for the most part except the part about carbs don't break. I've personally dealt with a brand new bike that had a carb float issue causing all the fuel to pour out into the woods on the first ride. I've also had needles wear and cause the bike to run like trash. Carbs are not perfect. I'm glad people still have a choice but I'll never again willingly buy a carbureted motorcycle ever again.
More people live east of the Mississippi than west of it by a large margin. With that said not everyone lives out west and rides huge elevation changes.
There's been fuel injected two stroke outboards and snowmobiles (including my 2007 M1000) for years. You don't see anyone wanting their carbs back in those circles! New models and new tech always requires some time to work out the kinks but my next bike is definitely going to be TBI.
I wish the dirtbike world would catch up to the marine and sled world. Direct injection would sweet on a dirtbike!
Difference is you aren't using low throttle inputs like on a bike
I argued this point with Kyle, back in 2015ish, for hours, now look where we are. Oh, and I've still got a heavily modded,, 06, M7, that's my spare sled.
@@grant7411 True, but I don't see why direct injection would have a problem with low throttle inputs.
The TPI system on snowmobiles don't require a battery. The systems on 2T dirt bikes still need changes.
My 23 125xc keeps fouling plugs any advice it’s my first 2stroke
Do you think a KTM 300 XCW TPI would be good for timbersled snow bike kit for me ?
if not at high altitude, yes. the constant heavy loading of the snow is best met by a 450F, but the 300 has some other advantages.
Cant wait for the tm review I really been thinking they are worth getting watched the 3 or 4 part video series on tm factory.. They make most of there parts them selves I think. If people in the us start buying alot of them. Then they will get as bjg as ktm. ... Hope your getting the 300 2 stroke efi.... Great video
I sure hope TM don’t get as big as Ktm, don’t want them starting to take short cuts with quality control and workmanship just to make bulk bikes.
I'm a TM Racing owner and that is not the goal for TM - they've been around since the 70s and only want to make low number machines by hand to their own specifications! They don't want mass produced machines - they want performance, comfort at race pace, and reliability/durability. They even made TPI/TBI BEFORE other manufacturers and had to drop it when KTM came out with it in order to keep the patent technology, then went to TBI BEFORE KTM.
@@jonathondavis170 Thats not how it is. First off for tm are setting up manufacturing machines to double production , and later increase even more. Reguarding tpi KTM never owned patent they tried to steal it from the inventer Neil(uniflow) that made the tpi YZ250 in around 2013 . That technology is free for all to use because of Neil and tm
@@goa0026 Wrong, they had the their own version for awhile now and had diagrams back years ago (it isnt a new concept as Honda made their own version a long time ago with more complexity), and even though they are increasing production they still will only be in smaller numbers - double production is still only 2400 units worldwide to the 1200-1500 sold worldwide right now. Don't believe me then go talk to the engineering team in Italy about both factors, or call the importer to stop going by word of mouth. They ALWAYS care about quality first. They also threw TBI on before KTM even thought about releasing it to the public since 2020-2021, and were NEVER finicky like the KTM TPI. The quality of the machines are way better than KTM for durability and racing performance, although aluminum frames produce a rigid feel. I can say this definitively by owning both, and even Rich Larsen (IRC Tire Guy) loved them and he rode the generation I have.
TM Racing doesn't try to make their design like anyone else, because they believe in building a true boutique brand - even have their own shock, and I can compare it to an Ohlins unit in feel.
And before you go throwing around that I'm some rich pompous idiot, I make way less than Kyle or most people but my priorities are straight with doing what I love and am passionate about and staying fit, and building something is much more fun to me than getting something new every 9-18 months so you know how your machine reacts when pinning it on a race track. I've owned the Suzuki RM125, RMZ-250, Yamaha YZ250FX, Husqvarna TE150i, TM Racing EN300ES, and Honda CRF450RX in that order, and the last two bikes have been the funnest to me by far, although all have been pretty darn good reliability wise (other than the friggin finicky TPI that blew spark plugs every week). It was ashame to pay that much money for that problem and crappy suspension - even in A kit technology I personally like KYB and Showa the best, although MX Tech & Lainer A-kit looks friggin great too. Bikes are subjective to the rider with weight, style, terrain, and even durability because no two bikes are made equal, however quite a few people I know had issues with TPI on KTM/Husqvarna and all the owners I know with TM Racing are ZERO issues because they are built with higher quality by hand...these are my subjective thoughts. Doesn't mean that the other 100-200k bikes didn't run great, or that KTM hasn't done alot for the sport but you can't sit here and compare them to a boutique brand - they have two different missions for business! That's like comparing BMW to MV Agusta!
Almost all dirt bike test videos are made by individuals like Kyle that live at higher elevations with great changes in altitude during a ride. I live at 380' above sea level with very little altitude change in a three state area. I have owned literally dozens of two stroke dirt bikes with carbs and have never had an issue with carburator tuning. The most I've ever had to do was adjust a needle clip position when I first bought a new bike. Next point is the tpi/fuel injected bikes are too expensive and like I said at my altitude isn't necessary anyway. I'm looking to buy a used 2017/18 ktm 250/300. That would still be carburated, counter balanced and have a kick start. Not everyone rides out west or rides at and above 5000 feet!
My bike has seen sea level to 2500m in the last year. The TBI is all about the electronic power valve. EFI is just bonus.
Exactly why I got a the 2018 TE250 new while I could. Counterbalanced, kick start, carb, fork springs and electric start.
2017 ktm/husky is shit, they already cancled their contract with keihin and made a contract with mikuni to supply them for another year, before they had the tpi. I heard very often that they can be very hard to set up) get running right.
@@kakiho6981 I put a Lectron Billetron on my 17 KTM and it's straight pissed off compared to the stock crap carb. It runs so well and has so much power paired with the FMF Gnarly pipe.
@@Jon-wf1sn Okay, yeah for some guys it works straight up but if it isn't running well they're hardly able to jet it. But I haven't worked on one myself. I also never used a Lectron carb because I always had a Keihin carb on my bikes which I was able to tune perfectly to my altitude, tempreture and prefered power curve.
Not sure if I missed it, if you’re seeking smooth power delivery, fuel injection etc, why would you buy a fuel injected 2 stroke instead of a 4 stroke?
will you ever compare Ktm to Beta or Sherco fuel injected 2 strokes??
They do t make fuel injected two strokes
Agree, spot on. EFI 2T run amazing and people need to get with the times. No manufacturers are performing R&D like KTM and it's important to support them to keep the industry going.
Buncha dog frog bull crog. Plenty of mfgs are developing 2 strokes. KTM just has the biggest marketshare. Their electronic power valve was taken from TM, as well as their new TBI system. Sherco, Beta, and TM all stomp KTM brand on any day of the week.
@@rollypollyraviolli4474I personally own both a Beta and KTM. Like them both and are great bikes for different reasons. I like the Beta oil injection design from a simplicity perspective and it works well. I'd be interested to see what they come up with in 2024 in terms of efi. The point is the bigger companies like KTM are taking the initial hit to lead the transition to EFI. Its inevitable, and has allowed the smaller manufacturers more time to come up with a solution. This will aid them to survive as they will follow lessons learned from KTMs transition along the process.
@@brook_slider TM was making production 2t motorcycles with electric start, electronic powervalve, and TPI before KTM was. They switched to TBI two years ago. KTM isn't leading anything, it is the biggest of the Euros with the most advertising bucks. Most Euros aren't even permitted in AMA racing because of homologation rules, so they're effectively barred from that kind of exposure.
Just tuned my Beta Carby and I must say it's running great, crisp throttle response and easy to work on. Suzuki needle made a hell of a difference.
@@brook_slider Stock slide was a 6.5. Had a rich burble on crack of throttle.
I ground my slide to a 7.5 (can only buy full steps), and everything was fixed. I run the same jetting year round from 0-2000' elevation and only have to adjust the air screw.
Also, I can adjust throttle response with my jetting instead of running it to a dealership to get it reprogrammed.
Glad you figure out your jetting! Message me if you want to try the slide mod!
Who knows how good they are.. just rebuilt my buddies 2020 tpi 300. It has nothing on my Sherco 300.
To each their own. Kyle. You ride a bunch of stand up trails but should look for some hard enduro stuff. If your bike isn't on the ground a few times every trip out it's not really being run through the ringer. Pretty much any bike feels good out in the open when you can keep it in the meat of the power. Try some slow technical climbing or twisting through trees with the bars and tell us what ya think.
Keep on keeping on man. 👍👽
Moreover like another comment mentioned on this video, he doesn't ride these bike long enough to know of the issues that may plague some folks. If I got a new dirt bike every 30-40 hours I couldn't care less what it had. I'm all for EFI especially in my landscape of elevation/temperature changes and I know it's good tech but I don't think anyone would agree that EFI is just as reliable as a carb which can be a big deal for folks that are riding 50-60 miles from civilization for example.
Ya my 01 CR125 is a finicky bish sometimes so I believe you. I think the only concerns are reliability and feel. If a 300 sx feels like a 4 stroke I might aswell get a 4 stroke.
Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't 2 stroke sleds been fuel injected since the 90's????🤔
I enjoy working messing with carburetors. Makes me feel like I'm smart. I also love fuel injection, less to mess with. Both have their place
Until KTM fixes the CCPS sensor problem, I’ll stick with a carb’d bike. Many people I know who have tpi bikes have to keep a ccps sensor around and have the failure often. With as much hell as we put these machines through here, reliability is the name of the game.
Failed sensor will just make the bike not run 100% clean but it will still be rideable. many people dont even notice their sensor is bad. Also in europe it costs something like 30 dollars.
Love my ‘21 Husky te300i. Put an idle screw in as suggested since it wanted to stall because of my Rekluse clutch. Now she runs superb.
NAILED IT! I picked my 2023 KTM 300xc about 1.5 weeks ago and already put 5.5hrs on it. going to be changing the oil here this weekend and throwing in a NGK BR7EIX Iridium. Been using AMSOIL dominator 50:1 based on your oil video.
I don't know how anyone can complain about fuel injection for 2 strokes. It's such an awesome idea and this latest generation of TBI bikes are amazing. I'm excited for what they're doing for 2 strokes.
Ist garbage they are to complicater, you new a laptop to work on it you depend on dealer to fix it they have weak motor, no kick start to many parts to complicated...................
@@martymcfly660 100+ hours no complaints! I'm a shitty garage mechanic and I don't think it too "complicater"
@@martymcfly660 I might take you seriously if you could string together a sentence using the english language correctly!!!!
Oil injection.... fuel injection is 4strokes.
they change the design and parts completely each year, so finding any sort of repalcements after it breaks will be a nightmare to find and for your wallet. And for what? YZ250 #1
Well, I had a 22 TX300i, and I'd take my 22 Sherco all day over that bike. It wasn't JUST the tpi. I prefer the ergonomics 100 times over that Husky. I also like the low end power WAY more. The Husky was fine. Nothing wrong with it. It was more capable than myself. However, it's all preference. My Keihin runs like butter.
I LOVE all 2 strokes. Big or small, I love em all.
I'll sacrifice a tiny amount of imperfect tuning for not needing a fuel pump, wires and sensors that can go bad and leave you stranded.
My Cannondale 440x had fuel injection from 2003.it was a perfect system,worked flawless. Ran superb too
Rode 1 broke it got a second 1 broke it now I have 2 23 ktm in getting warranty claims and back to riding my 2017 yz250 with 786hr on it
That all lies but so is Kyle the ceo of ktm
So...
I'm waiting to see what sherco release for their fuel injected two strokes, they've been working on their own development not making the customers do it like KTM!
Pretty excited to get on one!
Sherco won't release it till 2024 when the EU makes them due to emissions.
@@Jlow67WV which is ironic that they are only doing it because they have to. Goes to show that premium bike builders even know that fuel injection isn’t better.
Sherco’s had fuel injection before ktm lol they said they haven’t got it where they want it yet which is understandable. The fuel injection bikes don’t make as much power as carburetor ones. Honestly 80% of most ppl won’t notice it but is small Bore lovers deff notice lol but they still are good two strokes. Only problem I have is I don’t wanna carry a computer around with me to tune it like I had to with four strokes lol
There was a time tho not long ago no one knew anything about Sherco’s lol then me and buddy started selling them made a race team and found all the issues no one could help us with lol now their huge I. The states only cost us about 150k😂😂😂😂
@@johnallard9876 which makes an even stronger statement that they tried to go FI, and disliked it enough to go back to Carb. There’s just nothing to gain by it besides marketing and a slight bump in fuel economy.