More excellent content, Jeremiah. I intend to extrapolate from a couple of your findings, and develop a new load for my Armalite AR10. As usual, your work here is very thorough, and well presented. Sharing the results the way you do with these Handloader TV videos, is also much appreciated. 👍🏿
I am very glad to hear that you enjoyed the video and found it informative. If you do test these loads in your Armalite AR-10 please do share your results! I would be very interested in hearing how they performed. Of course cross reference the loads and start at minimum but I think you will find good results along the way! Thank you for the kind words and the long support of what we do here on the channel!! --Jeremiah
I have been loading the 308 since I started hunting with my father. We load a 150gr Sierra BT. The largest animal I have taken with this load is Elk. The last Elk was somewhere around 350 yards.
You mentioned the interchangeability of a 308 Winchester and 762 NATO cartridges. However you neglected to mention the fact that due to thicker brass on military ammunition the case volume differs. I have always been taught that this, depending on the load you were working with, can you increase pressures. I have always been instructed that if using military brass such as lake city, you should decrease A maximum load by 1 grain for 308 (762x51). When applying this to 30.06 ( 762x63) decrease a maximum load by 1.5 grains! Once again this only applies when using military brass for a maximum load for data designed for a civilian cartridge. As a sidenote this does not apply to 223 versus 5.56. Incidentally I don’t base this off of Internet lure (there certainly is enough information out there as it goes something like this my uncle’s twice removed once told me LOL) This information that I received came directly from members of the US Navy marksmanship team. I am interested in your thoughts on this matter.
Indeed Military brass does tend to run thicker and as a result they have less case capacity and this increases pressure with the same powder charge. I am not aware of any general rules for reducing loads by a set amount but rather I use velocity as a guide working slowly from starting velocity all the way up to maximum velocity. Generally speaking you can have pressure and velocity changes anytime you are switching brass it is just more noticeable the greater the difference in internal case capacity. This honestly applies to all cartridges. So I agree in full with you that there is truth in this statement I would say it can also happen with .223 and 5.56 as well it is just typically not as drastic. It really just depends the best thing to do it test it and use velocity as your guide. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment! I hope this answers your question and if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I have seen reductions of 8-12% mentioned in manuals. The heaviest 7.62x51 mil brass I ever weighed was CBC, coming in at a massive 203 grain/avg!!! Way, WAY over US mil brass weighed.
@@JF-xq6fr Indeed case capacity varies greatly the best thing is probably to measure how much case capacity you have and compare it to known loads and case capacities. That is a great bit of information and a massive difference in case weight and I am sure case capacity as well. Thanks for sharing that info! --Jeremiah
Another home run Jeremiah, the 308 Win is so easy to hand load , components are so plentiful. I’ve gotten very accurate loads using Winchester brass and primer’s along with Nosler 165 BT, Sierra 168 Gr HPBT MatchKing with IMR-4895, IMR-4064 and my Savage Model 10(24”) You got some very some impressive groups indeed, thanks again.
Glad to hear that you liked the video, the feedback is always greatly appreciated!! I agree it is a pretty easy cartridge to load for and good data is plentiful. Thanks for sharing your experience as always I think it is great for folks to be able to scroll down and hear directly from others. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment!! --Jeremiah
My experience with slower ball propellants (H414/WW760) in my .243 is magnum primers cut group sizes and especially help with fliers. Comparing CCI 250 vs 200s' this was very evident, and my particular rifle liked the loads 'hot' for best accuracy/node alignment. Have to look but I think it even held true for slower conventional propellants (H4350 and IMR 4831) with load densities near compression. Nice video Jeremiah.
W 760 is a great powder for sure it is a little dirty and sensitive to temperature swings but it does often yield good groups in spite of that. What you said about load densities is absolutely correct and may be one of the most influential factors to finding accuracy. Finding a propellant that matches burn rate and case fill for a given cartridge is one of the first steps I conduct for load development. Great information in your comment thanks for sharing and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
I truly enjoy your videos. Complete explanation of cartridge and all equipment involved. Someone will easily learn properly from your attention to details. Thank you Jeremiah.
Thank you very much that feedback is greatly appreciated! We do our best to provide as much information as possible and present it in an easily digestible manner. We are all about giving folks the best information possible! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Any time you can make a cartridge as common and familiar as the .308 interesting, you have done a good job. You and your team have done a very good job. The .308 was the first round I handloaded for and will ever have a place in my heart. Coincidentally, using Rl-15 powder, making me very pleased that it's more modern iteration made the final cut.
I appreciate the kind words, we do out best to provide the most accurate and reliable information possible! There is a lot of really interesting history behind the .308 Winchester I barely scratched the surface but we try and keep these videos as short and to the point as possible. The .308 Win is a great cartridge and I love RL-15 powder the new stuff is pretty good as well and I highly reccomend it provided you can find it these days! Thank you for your continued support of what we do here! --Jeremiah
Time flies when you are having fun!! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment the kind words. I can't thank you enough for subscribing to the magazine It is because of good folks like you that we can make videos like this! --Jeremiah
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video!! We appreciate all the support and folks sharing our videos with other it is great to see the channel growing and the amount of interest in our information that we present. Thank you for your support of everything we do! --Jeremiah
Thank you for the feedback and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! It is because of good folks like you that we can make videos like this, so thank you for all your support! --Jeremiah
I also had the actual shipping document for M118LR that showed the 41.78 of IMR 4064 and 175 MK and Fed 210M primer. Naturally different lots of powder will produce different velocity so the 41.78 is not set in steel as you probably know.
@@trumpie5399 Huh that is very interesting, I appreciate you taking the time to share that! I am sure the powder charges vary greatly depending on the lot of powder. It's good to know the primer though for sure I wonder if they are still using this powder to that day or if it's different. Either way thank you for sharing! I feel it adds a lot of value to our videos when we other folks share their knowledge and experience. --Jeremiah
Thank you very much! I appreciate your kind words and longstanding support! We do our best to provide the most accurate information possible! --Jeremiah
Just to note that when use mil once fired brass that it have thicker brass then regular 308 win brass and the mil brass have crimped primers. Need to start over to develop your load when use mil brass then regular brass. I ream the primer pocket on the mil brass . To take out the crimp.
You are correct I have been very lucky and have over 200 1x mil brass from a good friend of mine in Marine Corp and all lake city and federal mil brass is alot thicker
@@samuelberryhill2804 That is an excellent note to add military brass does seem to run a little thicker but honestly your load will almost always change when switching even just brands of brass or different lots to a lesser degree. The military crimp is something I should have mentioned as well as that can be a confusing point for new reloaders and it was something I remember dealing with early on! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and add that bit of important information! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much for the kind words!! I think any cartridge you get this particular rifle chambered in would be awesome. That action is fantastic! I do like the .308 though and it seems you can still find brass and powders in limited quantities for the .308 which is something to consider these days sadly. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much we pride ourselves in showing our testing and exactly what was done to get these results. Of course we are always looking to improve as well. Thank you for the kind words and the feedback it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
Very nice video. You really have to marvel at the inherent accuracy of the 308. Across a wide range of bullet sizes and differing powder charges the accuracy remained excellent. The ballistic engineering on this cartridge is absolutely amazing. Few other cartridges if any can match it. Also interestingly you shot Barnes TTSX-168 grain bullets (with very good accuracy) out of a gun with 1:10 twist, I believe it states for guns with 1:9 twist or faster right on the box of bullets.
Thank you very much. Indeed as much hate as the .308 has received over the years it really is a proven performer. Indeed a very versatile round indeed and one of my favorite cartridges for that reason. That is interesting I am sure I checked that before shooting but I can not recall it off the top of my head. I have had that happen before though where a bullet has a recommended twist rate and you actually have more wiggle room than what the manufacturer claims. A great tool for that is the Berger Bullets stability calculator and I use that quite a bit. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Indeed it does! I can't believe I missed that while reviewing the footage! We are not perfect and from time to time I mix up my words or miss a typo here and there. But we are always looking to improve! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment!! --Jeremiah
Indeed, the rifle impressed me quite a bit! I am very happy with it and I think it'll be used quite a bit with us! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
I have seen Nosler rifles at cabelas and Bass Pro Shops and on rare occasion at Sportsman's warehouse as well but they are tough to find in local gunshops usually they seem to be a used trade in at that point. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Old is a relative term!! And I agree your not old! Being born in 52 may be old for a cartridge but clearly not for you! Ha ha thank you for the laugh and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Hey maybe I could send my 6mm-06 AI down to ya' and have you do some load development for it, I can't afford the powder and bullets anymore. Better yet I could bring it down and work with ya'!!!!!!!!!! c};o)
@@davidmellor5752 Sadly at this time I don't think we can take in any other firearms in for testing we have quite a backlog right now but perhaps in the near future! I would love one day to put on a range day meet and greet at a local range but perhaps we can do that when we hit 100,000 Subscribers or something like that! At any rate I greatly appreciate the offer and would love to have the time to be able to do a meet and greet and shoot with our fans one day! --Jeremiah
Indeed it is more than accurate for both eastern and western hunting at any reasonable range. Some certainly better than others but a good testament to how well put together the rifle is. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
I am sure if I would have run a seating depth test with that powder and bullet combo it would have done really really well! It very closely duplicates the Military M118LR loading which is also pretty neat! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah, im sure it would. It would be pretty cool to see what kind of groups you can really get with these rifles and do them some justice. Plus, its handloader tv, you should be shooting bugholes.
@@reloadingfun I honestly go back and fourth with this, I have kinda settled on more loads and more variety rather than refining loads. That way the viewer gets an idea of what they can expect with minimal load development. Most rifles I have found can be tuned quite easily to shoot 1/2" or better with enough load development. I can always come back and do another video on refining or verifying loads. I will say that I shot that Sierra matchking load yesterday and at 400 yards it put 5 shots on a 4" gong I am not sure of the group size but it rang it every time so it's a more than capable load at distance. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion It is certainly something to think about! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah, coming back with more videos I mean. That would be great! I do like the variety that you do for sure. With the way barrels are, do you think that one rifle can be a representation of what people should expect? As you probably know, barrels can vary widely in what they like. I've had and seen other 308's that wouldn't shoot varget with 175 smk's very good at all and that combo shoots in just about every rifle. I'm not trying to split hairs here or anything. just more of a conversation thing.
@@reloadingfun I think it is something we need to do I have been toying with the idea of either taking the best loads and shooting them at long range out to 600-800 yards or just reworking the loads at 100 yards and showing how much tighter the group gets with fireformed brass, bumped shoulder etc. I am glad to hear that I do my best to switch up powder and bullet combinations as much as possible. I would say yes and no to that, It really depends I think a sample size of 1 is tough to make any final judgments on but it can give you a rough idea of what to expect. The real benefit I see to it is if you see companies like Shilen, Proof Research etc that in other videos and tests we have conducted perform equally well then I think you can get a much better idea of what to expect. Which is why we try to keep our testing protocol the same from video to video and try to shoot in similar conditions as much as possible throughout the year anyway. Indeed though you are correct one load in one barrel does not mean it will shoot well in another barrel. There are also many factors that contribute to that as well. I will say in a quality made barrel you can often times get a given powder or bullet combination to shoot well if you do enough load development. If it does not like said powder or bullet combination and you know it has performed well in other barrels and no amount of tweaking helps then I would certainly question the barrel quality. I will say that 90% of the quality barrels we have tested so far come up with a good group within 5 different charge weights from minimum to maximum. You can get a good overall picture of what we test by checking out our Load data website and typing Handloader TV into the search bar then you can see every load we put through a said rifle. Great questions and I appreciate the feedback we are always looking for new ideas and way to improve what we are doing! --Jeremiah
I have heard that in the past, Alliant also claims that Reloder 15 is the current powder (I will paste a link at the end of this comment) It is quite difficult to duplicate the components of the military loads but duplicating the ballistics is actually quite easy! And I would put my RL 15.5 TS duplication load against any M118 LR and I can about grantee it will match or exceed ballistics and accuracy of M118LR. And it's much easier to use existing components to do so. Rather than trying to figure out what primers they use, what brass and what powder and charge weight (which will vary depending on lot) and the bullet and bullet weight. If you have a reputable source with the ammunition specs though I would love to see it. I have yet to see anyone produce and actual government document proving what powder is used in the M118LR. Usually it's just forum posts. At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/reloder15.aspx
Reloader 15 or Alliant lost the contract to the Gov. ATK won the contract which Fed used their Fed GM load expertise adopted to Mil spec. Reloader 15 was discontinued because in Afghanistan the M14 Sniper Rifles could not handle the pressure of the bolt load. They lowered the charges of RL 15 then attitude sensitive variations in Afghanistan mountains. ATK received the new contract for the M118LR with IMR 4064 same as GM Match. Alliant eventually tried to correct this with RL 15.5 today. Ret Army OIF 2
@@trumpie5399 Do you have any documentation to back that up? I would love to see a spec sheet on the M118LR just to see what exactly it is they are loading. I have pulled bullets and examined things under a microscope and compared things but still haven't seen any specifications. That all makes sense although ATK is now Vista so I wonder if they still have the contract for M118LR as Vista. All interesting thank you for taking the time to comment we appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Yes I have shipping sheet ! The RL15 was discontinued early in afagastan after inconsistent pressure in various attitudes and contract was given to ATK
Where can I get one of these 380 Winchesters? lol. For a second I was trying g to figure it out. Your typo at the end showing your accurate load data for each load says .380 Winchester
HA HA oh you simply trim the case below the shoulder and neck up .308 WIn to accept .380 diameter bullets!! That is a bit embarrassing that I missed that in our review of the footage but at least we can have a good laugh about it! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@@craigmcmullen231 HA HA!! Last I heard Unicorn Precision was making them but another reputable source told me that the Tactical Leprechaun has taken over manufacturing. They can be a little harder to find as they are somewhere over the rainbow! --Jeremiah
It was sent to us from the company that made them, it is a Konig Jager super bench and sadly the company is no longer in business but the bench is fantastic in case you ever come across one for sale. Another good option is Stuky's Sturdy Shooting Benches that is who I recommend these days days and you can see that in our 7mm rem mag vs 28 Nosler video linked below. Thanks for watching and sorry to be the bearer of bad news! --Jeremiah th-cam.com/video/Sg9XXUZnlCk/w-d-xo.html
Thanks, you could always have it rechambered if so desired but a 30-06 would be pretty nice. Personally I really like the .280 AI so I'm glad they offer it in that. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
I do mention it sometimes usually when doing the target review. I only mention it though if I run seating depth tests with a rifle. In this instance I did not run any seating depth tests so I just loaded the rounds to book length and didn't even both to check the distance to the lands. I am sure you could get even better results from performing seating depth tests and conducting a little more testing. Great question though thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Ask and you shall receive it may not be at first but I actually have a .22 Nosler and it's an M48 bolt action! I can certainly bump that up list of things to work on. I also have an AR chambered in .22 Nosler as well so perhaps a two part video would be in order. I will say the Noveske is quite accurate and is my go to coyote rifle. Thank you for the suggestion and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Great job Jeremiah. I’m going to have to try the N135 in my rifle. I’ve been loading with N550 for a few years now. My rifle only has a 16.5” barrel being it’s a semi auto made by FN and has the 7.62X51 chambering. Also going to have to try the Reloader 15.5 with the 175 grain SMK. I recently picked up a few boxes of the 175, I have been shooting the 178 ELD-X primarily. I’ve been looking at a company that makes match barrels for the FN, they use barrels made by Lothar Walther. Have you had any experience with Lothar Walther barrels before? Please be safe and God Bless you.
Thank you very much we greatly appreciate the kind words! I do like N-135 with the lighter bullets in the .308 WIn. I also like N550 as well it's a great powder as well. I have been extremely impressed with the Reloder 15.5 Powder that is a load I put a lot of thought and development into. I sadly have very limited experience with Lothar Walther barrels but from what I have seen has been very very good. Quite accurate and they seem to be of great quality. I don't think you'd be disappointed based on my experience so far. Thank you and God Bless you as well! --Jeremiah
@@corymcleod2728 You are very welcome, It is always nice to hear from others on here and it's a way to show my appreciation for all of the support! --Jeremiah
It is semi portable the legs are adjustable and removable with a few tools but it still has a large footprint. Sadly though the company is no longer in business so finding one for sale is not an easy task these days! They are great benches but I probably won't do a video anytime soon on the bench since they are no longer in business and finding one is not easy these days. A great question though sorry I don't have better news! --Jeremiah
2nd lol finally a video on my favorite caliber.my favorite loads are 175 smk with imr 4064 and 168 amaxs with imr 4064.i also like 168 berger classic hunters with varget and 165 tsgk with n550 or tac .thanks for the video man always enjoy your videos.you was talking about your custom rifle have you done a video on it? If not could you do one?
Lol, always nice to see such enthusiasm over these videos and our magazine!! I am a big fan of the 175 grain SMK. Varget is a great powder in the .308 Winchester. Thanks for sharing your loads with everyone I think it adds a lot of value to the comments section! I have done an overview of my Custom rifle with Dave Fink the gunsmith who built it. I will paste a link at the end of this comment should you like to watch it. I will eventually be doing a full load development on it as soon as I get components in. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah th-cam.com/video/0LYAEi-GCWI/w-d-xo.html
@@HandloaderTV your welcome and thanks for all your videos.i went and checked out the link for your custom rifle man that thing looks nice i hope to own a custom rifle one day all those nice little things you had done to yours is very nice.cant wait to see load development on it as well.keep up the good work God bless
@@samuelberryhill2804 You are very welcome we are just glad that folks like what we are doing and most importantly are learning more in the process! It is my do all rifle, a lot of thought went into that one! I saved 3 years for that rifle after I decided it was time to upgrade from the .260 Remington. I hope that we can get around to that sooner rather than later but we are pretty backlogged. I think .30 Super carry is up after another World War II video with Mike Venturino. Thank you for all the support it is greatly appreciated God bless you as well! --Jeremiah
Certainly usable with the .308 Winchester, Sadly I did not get to test any 110 or 120 grain bullets with the .308 Win this go around but It is certainly possible and one of the things I love about the .308 Win is its versatility. Don't forget to check out our loaddata website and check out all the loads we tested and didn't have time to show in the video! Great question and thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
I can't load 28 or 30 Nosler for the same price as .308 and I highly doubt that Nolser can either. Just like I can't load .308 WIn for the same price as .300 WIn Mag. There is just a lot more powder in those cases and what you are paying for is the increased performance of those cartridges. For some that is worth it and for others it is not, that of course is up to you to decide. I doubt they'll ever be able to offer 28 Nosler for the same price as .308 though. At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah I agree it was an apples to oranges comparison, didn’t mean it to sound as dumb as I did. 308 is 45ish grains of powder vs magnum loads in the 70-100ish. So double the price would be about $3.50-$4.50? Plus supply/demand… I get it…. Again I was just whining
@@WesternReloader I completely understand times are certainly tough and they don't seem to be getting much better, at least not significantly yet. It is expensive I cringe every time I go to the local gun shops and look at my bill. I am hoping that prices return to "normal" I think they will come down but not until other things start to fuel being a big one. it's got to get from point A to point B somehow. But now I am just whining with you as well so I completely get it no need to apologize! --Jeremiah
It was actually right after World War I several countries were experimenting with self loading or semi auto firearms and the US was no exception. Take a look at the .276 pedersen. That was in 1923 if memory serves me correctly. It was from these experiments that eventually lead to the .308 Win. Of course it was not adopted till after world war II but the experiments that lead to the development were well underway. At any rate thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. --Jeremiah
The 276 Pederson was loosely based on the 30-06 and was a full length cartridge. The 7.62x51 NATO came about after WWII while NATO was formalizing weapons and ammunition there were already several short action .30 caliber cartridges that were experimented with the 300 savage, the 303 savage even the post war Czech 7.62x45. I recommend you read the FAL story and "The book of rifles" by W.H.B SMITH&JOSEPH SMITH. There are some interesting things in these books, which discuss the Belgian 7mmx51 and the T65 (7.62x51) aka 308 win. In Smiths book chapters 61 is a good account of how the 7.62x51 NATO was developed and in the FAL story you learn how the Belgians developed the 7mmx51 and got past every American excuse not to adapt it. Bottom line it wasn't made in America even when the American rifle performed poorly in testing and the FAL performed outstanding in both calibers. Sorry if I came off wrong or rubbed you the wrong way. I have studied US martial weapons and ammunition for years and have an extensive library. May I make a friendly recommendation that you research more indepth material and use more than one source for your videos. And please don't get me wrong I like the 308 Win/7.62x51 NATO I have several rifles chambered in it. Respectfully Mike
@@michaelmichaelson8452 Indeed it was and that was created in the early 20s and it shared the same parent case as the .308 Winchester. As I stated in the video it was those experiments that lead directly to the development of the .308 Winchester. I think my facts are correct is all I am saying. I mean no disrespect at all. Indeed there were lots of cartridges that were experimented with as stated in the video. These lead to the development of the .308 WIn or 7.62x51 Nato. I would have loved to have gone into the details of the NATO standardization and all the rich history around that. However for times sake I could not go into great detail in the video. I am familiar with a lot of that history behind the NATO adoption of the 7.62x51 and a lot of the cartridges that were in competition with it. It really is quite interesting. I will have to check out the book you mention I always am looking for reference material I have a library of 50+ years in my office and I may even have a copy in the office somewhere. I referenced several ballisticians and spoke with them about the cartridge and reloading manuals along with Ken Waters Pet Loads. I always try to reference more than one source and I do my best never to use a single source to get my data. That is okay, I have no problems taking constructive criticism and I appreciate it when mistakes are pointed out so they can be corrected in the future. I know there was a typo in this particular video. I am always trying to improve our videos and make them better and provide the best information possible. If something is correct I also have no problems defending it either and backing up my statement. You can verify what I said in the video with the Western Powders loading manual along with the Sierra loading manual to name a couple of sources off the top of my head. I know it wasn't until 1944 that experiments with the .300 Savage but the experiments did start around World War I and those experiments lead to the development of the .308 Win or 7.62x51. I appreciate the suggestion and the fact that we can have these discussions on here in a civil and orderly fashion with the expressed goal of learning more. I honestly think that is what the comments section is all about. I feel it adds a lot of value to have constructive criticism and conversations here where folks can scroll down and read all about a given subject. I appreciate you taking the time to add that and the respectful manner in which you did so I really appreciate it and I hope I did not come off too harsh in my comments I meant no disrespect. I truly think it is wonderful that we can have such debates. I have learned a lot from them and from time to time they get me to crack open a stack of books and read and do some research. I think that is fantastic! We must never stop learning. Thanks again for watching the video and commenting! --Jeremiah
More excellent content, Jeremiah. I intend to extrapolate from a couple of your findings, and develop a new load for my Armalite AR10.
As usual, your work here is very thorough, and well presented. Sharing the results the way you do with these Handloader TV videos, is also much appreciated. 👍🏿
I am very glad to hear that you enjoyed the video and found it informative. If you do test these loads in your Armalite AR-10 please do share your results! I would be very interested in hearing how they performed. Of course cross reference the loads and start at minimum but I think you will find good results along the way!
Thank you for the kind words and the long support of what we do here on the channel!! --Jeremiah
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Will do my friend!
You're welcome.
I have been loading the 308 since I started hunting with my father. We load a 150gr Sierra BT. The largest animal I have taken with this load is Elk. The last Elk was somewhere around 350 yards.
You mentioned the interchangeability of a 308 Winchester and 762 NATO cartridges. However you neglected to mention the fact that due to thicker brass on military ammunition the case volume differs. I have always been taught that this, depending on the load you were working with, can you increase pressures. I have always been instructed that if using military brass such as lake city, you should decrease A maximum load by 1 grain for 308 (762x51). When applying this to 30.06 ( 762x63) decrease a maximum load by 1.5 grains! Once again this only applies when using military brass for a maximum load for data designed for a civilian cartridge. As a sidenote this does not apply to 223 versus 5.56. Incidentally I don’t base this off of Internet lure (there certainly is enough information out there as it goes something like this my uncle’s twice removed once told me LOL) This information that I received came directly from members of the US Navy marksmanship team. I am interested in your thoughts on this matter.
Indeed Military brass does tend to run thicker and as a result they have less case capacity and this increases pressure with the same powder charge. I am not aware of any general rules for reducing loads by a set amount but rather I use velocity as a guide working slowly from starting velocity all the way up to maximum velocity. Generally speaking you can have pressure and velocity changes anytime you are switching brass it is just more noticeable the greater the difference in internal case capacity. This honestly applies to all cartridges. So I agree in full with you that there is truth in this statement I would say it can also happen with .223 and 5.56 as well it is just typically not as drastic. It really just depends the best thing to do it test it and use velocity as your guide. Thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment! I hope this answers your question and if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I have seen reductions of 8-12% mentioned in manuals. The heaviest 7.62x51 mil brass I ever weighed was CBC, coming in at a massive 203 grain/avg!!! Way, WAY over US mil brass weighed.
@@JF-xq6fr Indeed case capacity varies greatly the best thing is probably to measure how much case capacity you have and compare it to known loads and case capacities. That is a great bit of information and a massive difference in case weight and I am sure case capacity as well. Thanks for sharing that info! --Jeremiah
Another home run Jeremiah, the 308 Win is so easy to hand load , components are so plentiful. I’ve gotten very accurate loads using Winchester brass and primer’s along with Nosler 165 BT, Sierra 168 Gr HPBT MatchKing with IMR-4895, IMR-4064 and my Savage Model 10(24”) You got some very some impressive groups indeed, thanks again.
Glad to hear that you liked the video, the feedback is always greatly appreciated!! I agree it is a pretty easy cartridge to load for and good data is plentiful. Thanks for sharing your experience as always I think it is great for folks to be able to scroll down and hear directly from others. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment!! --Jeremiah
My experience with slower ball propellants (H414/WW760) in my .243 is magnum primers cut group sizes and especially help with fliers. Comparing CCI 250 vs 200s' this was very evident, and my particular rifle liked the loads 'hot' for best accuracy/node alignment. Have to look but I think it even held true for slower conventional propellants (H4350 and IMR 4831) with load densities near compression. Nice video Jeremiah.
W 760 is a great powder for sure it is a little dirty and sensitive to temperature swings but it does often yield good groups in spite of that. What you said about load densities is absolutely correct and may be one of the most influential factors to finding accuracy. Finding a propellant that matches burn rate and case fill for a given cartridge is one of the first steps I conduct for load development. Great information in your comment thanks for sharing and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
I truly enjoy your videos. Complete explanation of cartridge and all equipment involved. Someone will easily learn properly from your attention to details. Thank you Jeremiah.
Thank you very much that feedback is greatly appreciated! We do our best to provide as much information as possible and present it in an easily digestible manner. We are all about giving folks the best information possible! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Any time you can make a cartridge as common and familiar as the .308 interesting, you have done a good job. You and your team have done a very good job.
The .308 was the first round I handloaded for and will ever have a place in my heart. Coincidentally, using Rl-15 powder, making me very pleased that it's more modern iteration made the final cut.
I appreciate the kind words, we do out best to provide the most accurate and reliable information possible! There is a lot of really interesting history behind the .308 Winchester I barely scratched the surface but we try and keep these videos as short and to the point as possible. The .308 Win is a great cartridge and I love RL-15 powder the new stuff is pretty good as well and I highly reccomend it provided you can find it these days! Thank you for your continued support of what we do here! --Jeremiah
Funny five already. Great video been a long time subscriber to hand loader magazine. Thanks for all the work you do.
Time flies when you are having fun!! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment the kind words. I can't thank you enough for subscribing to the magazine It is because of good folks like you that we can make videos like this! --Jeremiah
This so much. I load for M&P10 and M1A. Great info. Love seeing the channel grow beyond the magazine which I get.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video!! We appreciate all the support and folks sharing our videos with other it is great to see the channel growing and the amount of interest in our information that we present. Thank you for your support of everything we do! --Jeremiah
Loving the videos. I've been a subscriber to the magazine for years.
Thank you for the feedback and taking the time to watch and comment we greatly appreciate it! It is because of good folks like you that we can make videos like this, so thank you for all your support! --Jeremiah
I also had the actual shipping document for M118LR that showed the 41.78 of IMR 4064 and 175 MK and Fed 210M primer. Naturally different lots of powder will produce different velocity so the 41.78 is not set in steel as you probably know.
I just looked at data sheet
41.745 of IMR 4064
@@trumpie5399 Huh that is very interesting, I appreciate you taking the time to share that! I am sure the powder charges vary greatly depending on the lot of powder. It's good to know the primer though for sure I wonder if they are still using this powder to that day or if it's different. Either way thank you for sharing! I feel it adds a lot of value to our videos when we other folks share their knowledge and experience. --Jeremiah
As long as ATK has the contract .
For M118LR they will use the IMR 4064 load as in GM loads.
Great video Jeremiah and some awesome shooting to. Your knowledge on the rifle and the handloads are excellent! Thank you for your videos to, Slim.
Thank you very much! I appreciate your kind words and longstanding support! We do our best to provide the most accurate information possible! --Jeremiah
Just to note that when use mil once fired brass that it have thicker brass then regular 308 win brass and the mil brass have crimped primers. Need to start over to develop your load when use mil brass then regular brass. I ream the primer pocket on the mil brass . To take out the crimp.
You are correct I have been very lucky and have over 200 1x mil brass from a good friend of mine in Marine Corp and all lake city and federal mil brass is alot thicker
@@samuelberryhill2804 That is an excellent note to add military brass does seem to run a little thicker but honestly your load will almost always change when switching even just brands of brass or different lots to a lesser degree. The military crimp is something I should have mentioned as well as that can be a confusing point for new reloaders and it was something I remember dealing with early on! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and add that bit of important information! --Jeremiah
Nice job, Jeremiah. I don't have a rifle in .308 Winchester, but I am sorely tempted.
Thank you very much for the kind words!! I think any cartridge you get this particular rifle chambered in would be awesome. That action is fantastic! I do like the .308 though and it seems you can still find brass and powders in limited quantities for the .308 which is something to consider these days sadly. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Well done. Thank you. Good data & demonstration. Great groups. Excellent rifle.
Glad you enjoyed the video and found it informative the feedback is always appreciated! --Jeremiah
As always, real world info. Well done.
Thank you very much we pride ourselves in showing our testing and exactly what was done to get these results. Of course we are always looking to improve as well. Thank you for the kind words and the feedback it is greatly appreciated! --Jeremiah
Very nice video. You really have to marvel at the inherent accuracy of the 308. Across a wide range of bullet sizes and differing powder charges the accuracy remained excellent. The ballistic engineering on this cartridge is absolutely amazing. Few other cartridges if any can match it. Also interestingly you shot Barnes TTSX-168 grain bullets (with very good accuracy) out of a gun with 1:10 twist, I believe it states for guns with 1:9 twist or faster right on the box of bullets.
Thank you very much. Indeed as much hate as the .308 has received over the years it really is a proven performer. Indeed a very versatile round indeed and one of my favorite cartridges for that reason. That is interesting I am sure I checked that before shooting but I can not recall it off the top of my head. I have had that happen before though where a bullet has a recommended twist rate and you actually have more wiggle room than what the manufacturer claims. A great tool for that is the Berger Bullets stability calculator and I use that quite a bit. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
The data card has a typo sir. Fyi. .380 vs .308. Keep reloading. Ty for the video
Indeed it does! I can't believe I missed that while reviewing the footage! We are not perfect and from time to time I mix up my words or miss a typo here and there. But we are always looking to improve! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment!! --Jeremiah
Looks like a great shooter.
Indeed, the rifle impressed me quite a bit! I am very happy with it and I think it'll be used quite a bit with us! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV thanks for the good content.
@@lovetoflylovetofly3843 You are very welcome!! --Jeremiah
I just wish I could get to see a Nosler rifle. Never seen one in a gun shop.
I have seen Nosler rifles at cabelas and Bass Pro Shops and on rare occasion at Sportsman's warehouse as well but they are tough to find in local gunshops usually they seem to be a used trade in at that point. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Now your calling me old, the .308 came out only 3 years before me and I'm not old!!!!!!!!!!!! c};o)
Old is a relative term!! And I agree your not old! Being born in 52 may be old for a cartridge but clearly not for you! Ha ha thank you for the laugh and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Hey maybe I could send my 6mm-06 AI down to ya' and have you do some load development for it, I can't afford the powder and bullets anymore. Better yet I could bring it down and work with ya'!!!!!!!!!! c};o)
@@davidmellor5752 Sadly at this time I don't think we can take in any other firearms in for testing we have quite a backlog right now but perhaps in the near future! I would love one day to put on a range day meet and greet at a local range but perhaps we can do that when we hit 100,000 Subscribers or something like that! At any rate I greatly appreciate the offer and would love to have the time to be able to do a meet and greet and shoot with our fans one day! --Jeremiah
Awesome video!
Glad to hear you enjoyed the video thank you for your continued support!! --Jeremiah
Every load I saw was minute of white tail. It's obvious some loads were better than others but a dead white tail will not know the difference.
Indeed it is more than accurate for both eastern and western hunting at any reasonable range. Some certainly better than others but a good testament to how well put together the rifle is. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
You should work on thay 175 smk load and shown us what it can really do.
I am sure if I would have run a seating depth test with that powder and bullet combo it would have done really really well! It very closely duplicates the Military M118LR loading which is also pretty neat! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah, im sure it would. It would be pretty cool to see what kind of groups you can really get with these rifles and do them some justice. Plus, its handloader tv, you should be shooting bugholes.
@@reloadingfun I honestly go back and fourth with this, I have kinda settled on more loads and more variety rather than refining loads. That way the viewer gets an idea of what they can expect with minimal load development. Most rifles I have found can be tuned quite easily to shoot 1/2" or better with enough load development. I can always come back and do another video on refining or verifying loads. I will say that I shot that Sierra matchking load yesterday and at 400 yards it put 5 shots on a 4" gong I am not sure of the group size but it rang it every time so it's a more than capable load at distance. Thanks for the feedback and suggestion It is certainly something to think about! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah, coming back with more videos I mean. That would be great!
I do like the variety that you do for sure. With the way barrels are, do you think that one rifle can be a representation of what people should expect? As you probably know, barrels can vary widely in what they like. I've had and seen other 308's that wouldn't shoot varget with 175 smk's very good at all and that combo shoots in just about every rifle. I'm not trying to split hairs here or anything. just more of a conversation thing.
@@reloadingfun I think it is something we need to do I have been toying with the idea of either taking the best loads and shooting them at long range out to 600-800 yards or just reworking the loads at 100 yards and showing how much tighter the group gets with fireformed brass, bumped shoulder etc.
I am glad to hear that I do my best to switch up powder and bullet combinations as much as possible. I would say yes and no to that, It really depends I think a sample size of 1 is tough to make any final judgments on but it can give you a rough idea of what to expect. The real benefit I see to it is if you see companies like Shilen, Proof Research etc that in other videos and tests we have conducted perform equally well then I think you can get a much better idea of what to expect. Which is why we try to keep our testing protocol the same from video to video and try to shoot in similar conditions as much as possible throughout the year anyway. Indeed though you are correct one load in one barrel does not mean it will shoot well in another barrel. There are also many factors that contribute to that as well. I will say in a quality made barrel you can often times get a given powder or bullet combination to shoot well if you do enough load development. If it does not like said powder or bullet combination and you know it has performed well in other barrels and no amount of tweaking helps then I would certainly question the barrel quality. I will say that 90% of the quality barrels we have tested so far come up with a good group within 5 different charge weights from minimum to maximum. You can get a good overall picture of what we test by checking out our Load data website and typing Handloader TV into the search bar then you can see every load we put through a said rifle. Great questions and I appreciate the feedback we are always looking for new ideas and way to improve what we are doing! --Jeremiah
Current M118LR uses IMR 4064 at 41.8 with 175 MK
I have heard that in the past, Alliant also claims that Reloder 15 is the current powder (I will paste a link at the end of this comment) It is quite difficult to duplicate the components of the military loads but duplicating the ballistics is actually quite easy! And I would put my RL 15.5 TS duplication load against any M118 LR and I can about grantee it will match or exceed ballistics and accuracy of M118LR. And it's much easier to use existing components to do so. Rather than trying to figure out what primers they use, what brass and what powder and charge weight (which will vary depending on lot) and the bullet and bullet weight. If you have a reputable source with the ammunition specs though I would love to see it. I have yet to see anyone produce and actual government document proving what powder is used in the M118LR. Usually it's just forum posts. At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
www.alliantpowder.com/products/powder/reloder15.aspx
Reloader 15 or Alliant lost the contract to the Gov. ATK won the contract which Fed used their Fed GM load expertise adopted to Mil spec. Reloader 15 was discontinued because in Afghanistan the M14 Sniper Rifles could not handle the pressure of the bolt load. They lowered the charges of RL 15 then attitude sensitive variations in Afghanistan mountains. ATK received the new contract for the M118LR with IMR 4064 same as GM Match. Alliant eventually tried to correct this with RL 15.5 today.
Ret Army OIF 2
@@trumpie5399 Do you have any documentation to back that up? I would love to see a spec sheet on the M118LR just to see what exactly it is they are loading. I have pulled bullets and examined things under a microscope and compared things but still haven't seen any specifications. That all makes sense although ATK is now Vista so I wonder if they still have the contract for M118LR as Vista. All interesting thank you for taking the time to comment we appreciate it! --Jeremiah
Yes I have shipping sheet !
The RL15 was discontinued early in afagastan after inconsistent pressure in various attitudes and contract was given to ATK
Where can I get one of these 380 Winchesters? lol.
For a second I was trying g to figure it out. Your typo at the end showing your accurate load data for each load says .380 Winchester
HA HA oh you simply trim the case below the shoulder and neck up .308 WIn to accept .380 diameter bullets!!
That is a bit embarrassing that I missed that in our review of the footage but at least we can have a good laugh about it! Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV sounds like a hard hitter. Where can I find a reamer? lol
@@craigmcmullen231 HA HA!! Last I heard Unicorn Precision was making them but another reputable source told me that the Tactical Leprechaun has taken over manufacturing. They can be a little harder to find as they are somewhere over the rainbow! --Jeremiah
Jeremiah, where did you get the "Handloader" shooting bench you use at the range?
It was sent to us from the company that made them, it is a Konig Jager super bench and sadly the company is no longer in business but the bench is fantastic in case you ever come across one for sale. Another good option is Stuky's Sturdy Shooting Benches that is who I recommend these days days and you can see that in our 7mm rem mag vs 28 Nosler video linked below. Thanks for watching and sorry to be the bearer of bad news! --Jeremiah
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Enjoy looks good so far..should be offered in 06...
Thanks, you could always have it rechambered if so desired but a 30-06 would be pretty nice. Personally I really like the .280 AI so I'm glad they offer it in that. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!! --Jeremiah
From my wifes phone. Why not give the dimensions from the lands?
I do mention it sometimes usually when doing the target review. I only mention it though if I run seating depth tests with a rifle. In this instance I did not run any seating depth tests so I just loaded the rounds to book length and didn't even both to check the distance to the lands. I am sure you could get even better results from performing seating depth tests and conducting a little more testing. Great question though thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Would like to see a video with the same rifle but in 22 nosler. You can’t find any information for a 22 nosler in a bolt gun.
Ask and you shall receive it may not be at first but I actually have a .22 Nosler and it's an M48 bolt action! I can certainly bump that up list of things to work on. I also have an AR chambered in .22 Nosler as well so perhaps a two part video would be in order. I will say the Noveske is quite accurate and is my go to coyote rifle. Thank you for the suggestion and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Great job Jeremiah. I’m going to have to try the N135 in my rifle. I’ve been loading with N550 for a few years now. My rifle only has a 16.5” barrel being it’s a semi auto made by FN and has the 7.62X51 chambering. Also going to have to try the Reloader 15.5 with the 175 grain SMK. I recently picked up a few boxes of the 175, I have been shooting the 178 ELD-X primarily. I’ve been looking at a company that makes match barrels for the FN, they use barrels made by Lothar Walther. Have you had any experience with Lothar Walther barrels before? Please be safe and God Bless you.
Thank you very much we greatly appreciate the kind words! I do like N-135 with the lighter bullets in the .308 WIn. I also like N550 as well it's a great powder as well. I have been extremely impressed with the Reloder 15.5 Powder that is a load I put a lot of thought and development into. I sadly have very limited experience with Lothar Walther barrels but from what I have seen has been very very good. Quite accurate and they seem to be of great quality. I don't think you'd be disappointed based on my experience so far. Thank you and God Bless you as well! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Thank you for your reply Jeremiah. It’s always a pleasure to talk with you here
@@corymcleod2728 You are very welcome, It is always nice to hear from others on here and it's a way to show my appreciation for all of the support! --Jeremiah
Well Done..
Thank you very much!! --Jeremiah
Is that bench portable? If yes, where can one purchase it? Maybe do a video on the bench?
It is semi portable the legs are adjustable and removable with a few tools but it still has a large footprint. Sadly though the company is no longer in business so finding one for sale is not an easy task these days! They are great benches but I probably won't do a video anytime soon on the bench since they are no longer in business and finding one is not easy these days. A great question though sorry I don't have better news! --Jeremiah
2nd lol finally a video on my favorite caliber.my favorite loads are 175 smk with imr 4064 and 168 amaxs with imr 4064.i also like 168 berger classic hunters with varget and 165 tsgk with n550 or tac .thanks for the video man always enjoy your videos.you was talking about your custom rifle have you done a video on it? If not could you do one?
Lol, always nice to see such enthusiasm over these videos and our magazine!! I am a big fan of the 175 grain SMK. Varget is a great powder in the .308 Winchester. Thanks for sharing your loads with everyone I think it adds a lot of value to the comments section! I have done an overview of my Custom rifle with Dave Fink the gunsmith who built it. I will paste a link at the end of this comment should you like to watch it. I will eventually be doing a full load development on it as soon as I get components in. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
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@@HandloaderTV your welcome and thanks for all your videos.i went and checked out the link for your custom rifle man that thing looks nice i hope to own a custom rifle one day all those nice little things you had done to yours is very nice.cant wait to see load development on it as well.keep up the good work God bless
@@samuelberryhill2804 You are very welcome we are just glad that folks like what we are doing and most importantly are learning more in the process! It is my do all rifle, a lot of thought went into that one! I saved 3 years for that rifle after I decided it was time to upgrade from the .260 Remington. I hope that we can get around to that sooner rather than later but we are pretty backlogged. I think .30 Super carry is up after another World War II video with Mike Venturino. Thank you for all the support it is greatly appreciated God bless you as well! --Jeremiah
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Always appreciate the feedback, thank you! --Jeremiah
What about 120gr bullets?
Certainly usable with the .308 Winchester, Sadly I did not get to test any 110 or 120 grain bullets with the .308 Win this go around but It is certainly possible and one of the things I love about the .308 Win is its versatility. Don't forget to check out our loaddata website and check out all the loads we tested and didn't have time to show in the video! Great question and thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
380 Winchester?
Ha ha a bit embarrassing that I missed that reviewing the footage!! My apologies for transposing the numbers there! --Jeremiah
What was the barrel length
Great question!! The barrel is 22" in length. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Thank you I love your videos
@@derekdeirfield8166 Thank you glad to hear you like the videos we greatly appreciate the feedback and kind words! --Jeremiah
Offer your 28/30 Nosler ammo at the price of a 308 and I’ll buy a Nosler rifle
I can't load 28 or 30 Nosler for the same price as .308 and I highly doubt that Nolser can either. Just like I can't load .308 WIn for the same price as .300 WIn Mag. There is just a lot more powder in those cases and what you are paying for is the increased performance of those cartridges. For some that is worth it and for others it is not, that of course is up to you to decide. I doubt they'll ever be able to offer 28 Nosler for the same price as .308 though. At any rate thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV yeah I agree it was an apples to oranges comparison, didn’t mean it to sound as dumb as I did. 308 is 45ish grains of powder vs magnum loads in the 70-100ish. So double the price would be about $3.50-$4.50? Plus supply/demand… I get it…. Again I was just whining
@@WesternReloader I completely understand times are certainly tough and they don't seem to be getting much better, at least not significantly yet. It is expensive I cringe every time I go to the local gun shops and look at my bill. I am hoping that prices return to "normal" I think they will come down but not until other things start to fuel being a big one. it's got to get from point A to point B somehow. But now I am just whining with you as well so I completely get it no need to apologize! --Jeremiah
Get your facts straight it was right after WWII not WWI.
It was actually right after World War I several countries were experimenting with self loading or semi auto firearms and the US was no exception. Take a look at the .276 pedersen. That was in 1923 if memory serves me correctly. It was from these experiments that eventually lead to the .308 Win. Of course it was not adopted till after world war II but the experiments that lead to the development were well underway. At any rate thank you for taking the time to watch and comment. --Jeremiah
The 276 Pederson was loosely based on the 30-06 and was a full length cartridge. The 7.62x51 NATO came about after WWII while NATO was formalizing weapons and ammunition there were already several short action .30 caliber cartridges that were experimented with the 300 savage, the 303 savage even the post war Czech 7.62x45. I recommend you read the FAL story and "The book of rifles" by W.H.B SMITH&JOSEPH SMITH. There are some interesting things in these books, which discuss the Belgian 7mmx51 and the T65 (7.62x51) aka 308 win. In Smiths book chapters 61 is a good account of how the 7.62x51 NATO was developed and in the FAL story you learn how the Belgians developed the 7mmx51 and got past every American excuse not to adapt it. Bottom line it wasn't made in America even when the American rifle performed poorly in testing and the FAL performed outstanding in both calibers. Sorry if I came off wrong or rubbed you the wrong way. I have studied US martial weapons and ammunition for years and have an extensive library.
May I make a friendly recommendation that you research more indepth material and use more than one source for your videos.
And please don't get me wrong I like the 308 Win/7.62x51 NATO I have several rifles chambered in it.
Respectfully
Mike
@@michaelmichaelson8452 Indeed it was and that was created in the early 20s and it shared the same parent case as the .308 Winchester. As I stated in the video it was those experiments that lead directly to the development of the .308 Winchester. I think my facts are correct is all I am saying. I mean no disrespect at all. Indeed there were lots of cartridges that were experimented with as stated in the video. These lead to the development of the .308 WIn or 7.62x51 Nato. I would have loved to have gone into the details of the NATO standardization and all the rich history around that. However for times sake I could not go into great detail in the video. I am familiar with a lot of that history behind the NATO adoption of the 7.62x51 and a lot of the cartridges that were in competition with it. It really is quite interesting. I will have to check out the book you mention I always am looking for reference material I have a library of 50+ years in my office and I may even have a copy in the office somewhere. I referenced several ballisticians and spoke with them about the cartridge and reloading manuals along with Ken Waters Pet Loads. I always try to reference more than one source and I do my best never to use a single source to get my data. That is okay, I have no problems taking constructive criticism and I appreciate it when mistakes are pointed out so they can be corrected in the future. I know there was a typo in this particular video. I am always trying to improve our videos and make them better and provide the best information possible. If something is correct I also have no problems defending it either and backing up my statement. You can verify what I said in the video with the Western Powders loading manual along with the Sierra loading manual to name a couple of sources off the top of my head. I know it wasn't until 1944 that experiments with the .300 Savage but the experiments did start around World War I and those experiments lead to the development of the .308 Win or 7.62x51.
I appreciate the suggestion and the fact that we can have these discussions on here in a civil and orderly fashion with the expressed goal of learning more. I honestly think that is what the comments section is all about. I feel it adds a lot of value to have constructive criticism and conversations here where folks can scroll down and read all about a given subject. I appreciate you taking the time to add that and the respectful manner in which you did so I really appreciate it and I hope I did not come off too harsh in my comments I meant no disrespect. I truly think it is wonderful that we can have such debates. I have learned a lot from them and from time to time they get me to crack open a stack of books and read and do some research. I think that is fantastic! We must never stop learning. Thanks again for watching the video and commenting! --Jeremiah
1st!! whoo hoo
Congratulations!! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!