Even people who regularly play MTG in current year don't seem to fully appreciate how bonkers MTG has gotten. The fact that Discover is a thing that exists and MTG players don't seem to mind is baffling to me. They literally designed an entire set around what would be the equivalent to a deck in Yugioh where every card in your deck is a 1-card FTK.
@justalyx7952 MTG is completely fucked and has been since 2020. The full explanation is a bit lengthy but the TL:DR is they've adopted the Komoney philosophy of "break the game on purpose to sell product" but they are infinitely less smart about it and it's killing the game. The only Magic product anyone buys anymore are Universes Beyond which are essentially turning other IPs into Magic Cards. And they have no regard for if it fits the world of Magic. It's gotten to the point where you can't tell what's real and what's a shitpost.
the funny thing about Serra Paragon is that they had to rewrite the rules to make it work because as written under the rules when it released it just straight up could not give the exile ability to the things you replay with it
Reminds me of when they had to errata how cast prevention works as Squee could simply escape Ixalans Binding since attempting to cast him from exile moved him on the stack before "can't cast spells with the same name as the exiled card" was checked.
I got a banger idea Show MBT a bunch of companions so he can flex his knowledge about Extra Deck monsters and how changes in execution can lead to wildly different results in regards to how well those two mechanics were received
@@TheOneJameYT I think it’s super interesting how differently Konami and WOTC handled their “monster that’s outside the game” mechanics. The most controversial extra deck monster was Link monsters, mainly due to MR4 (and the 97 FTKs involving Firewall Dragon), and instead of never printing another link monster again, they got rid of all the toxic ones and now Link monsters are pretty well accepted. I really think something similar could have happened with Companions had they allowed all the problematic ones to either be banned or rotated out of standard, and scale the next wave of them down power wise.
@@modernkiwi6447 the problem with companions was that the design came from a bad place from the start. Companions was a mechanic dreamed up when commander was popular but not officially supported. So WotC went "if you like having a commander, here we will give you commander in standard". Not understanding that people enjoyed commander for being different and generally low power, not for the hyper efficient extra deck monster.
I would love an all blue episode with Joseph. I would frankly love any episode where he comes back. As someone who has dipped back and forth between Magic and Yugioh for much of her life (with some breaks from both for life reasons), I love hearing Joseph talk about Magic. I find the differences endlessly interesting, and I feel like only speak to them quite as compellingly as he.
MBT brought up the Cheerios deck! Although the Cheerios deck MBT is talking about uses Puresteel Paladin and Sram, Senior Edificer to draw its entire deck with 0 Costing artifacts. Not the Cheerios deck that will come up later... Also the Hammertime deck MBT references is from 15 years ago in standard and uses Loxodon Warhammer, the ORIGINAL Hammertime
@@MBTYuGiOh @4:05 you said "Rhino Hammer" which i assume you meant "Loxodon Warhammer" which was the hammertime of the time @4:10 James described "Colossus Hammer" which has been a tier 1/2 deck for the past 3 years
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player: Please tell me deep-cavern bat is good, please tell me deep-cavern bat is good, please tell me deep-cavern bat is good. I want to play deep-cavern bat so bad.
@@goldenarmour7975it’s a smoke grenade on an evasive body, but if it dies they get the card back. Sees play throughout black in standard as a good 2 drop. Oh and it has lifelink too so it’s got grind game.
I am pretty sure that MBT did not work out that this case when solved was draw 3 per turn and not draw 2. Might have made the decision a bit harder at least. That being said its only good if the format is slow enough that the format allows you to take a whole turn, or almost a whole turn, off to set up ancestral every turn. Which is to say its super playable in standard RDW if that deck is good but will probably not end up in say modern burn.
With Modern Horizons 3 having callbacks to old cards, it would be awesome to have MBT come back to rate MH3 cards (especially ones that allude to old cards) after the first few big tournaments. :)
I really like MBT. Great guy, funny and knows enough about magic to make nostalgic references. Keep him coming back on. He's a winner in my book even if he's not great at these videos.
Mbt is goated. really smart guy with a lot of personality. He is really good at expressing his thoughts too. I don't play ygo really anymore for the past couple years, but I still love watching mbt on ygo because he expresses things really well and is really clever and funny. People rag on him for not being pro pro but he's still very entertaining and insightful. He also used to be a host at ycs tournaments too so he has history of respect or trust.
One niche interaction that can make Biting Palm ninja much better, but is too niche to save it is that it remains an unblocked attacker even after it's damage trigger resolves, so you can ninjutsu something else in to return it to your hand, letting you do it all again next turn, with a new menace counter when it enters again.
I really like the thought process used by someone that has played the game but doesn't know the cards, the back and forth about past formats takes me back too. I know its probably a challenge to pick cards for someone that is familiar with the game, but picking from Standard would throw me off too, lol, Great video man!
I actually played a lot of Pauper about 3 years ago - last format I was actively keeping up with. Loved me some BW Pestilence, one of my favorite childhood cards.
11:04 The cloak effect says turn creature face up at any time for its mana cost. Am I correct in noticing that it doesn't say anything about being at Sorcery speed, and thus you can get creatures at Flash speed?
I love how magic will use keywords everywhere with the hope that it’ll be easier to read than explaining the entire effect, but then they just explain the entire effect anyway in parentheses
Why do they do that? It seems more confusing. Is it to simplify card text on other cards that reference that keyword, but don't use that effect (eg. a card that says "if target creature has hexproof" wouldn't have to explain what hexproof is), or something like that?
@@genm4827Yes, and also the way mtg handles its rarities means that they can drop the reminder text sometimes. Typically, more common cards will explain the effect in full, and rares and mythics will drop the reminder text on the assumption that you've had your chance to learn what it means from the commons. There's also the difference between KEYWORDS, which compress an effect down to one word, and ABILITY WORDS, which are basically just theming prompts to get players to think of a bunch of cards as being related. In yugioh terms, Toon would be an ability word, because being a Toon doesn't mean anything in itself, the card's own individual effect tells you what being a Toon means for that one card.
Gurmag Angler still sees play in Pauper in decks like Dimir Terror and Dimir Fairies that quickly fill their graveyards with small stuff (cantrips make the Terror cheaper and then you can exile them for Angler after that)
Carnage Tyrant was the hexproof dino that was played in Standard which has uncountable. The reason why hexproof isn't on creatures as much anymore which Ward is more common is because of the play pattern of hexproof was bad especially in limited. Players don't like the inability to remove creatures because of one sided protection. Hexproof is mostly a combat trick now and reserve for mythics. Ward is basically a fairer hexproof.
Yeah, it was Shroud beforehand. Which meant both players couldn't interact with the creature. But I think that was changed, cos people didn't like being unable to interact with their own creatures iirc. Ward is a lot more balanced and fun at a table. Hexproof can still be affected, but you need to run board wipes for that. And once you start stacking wipes, games just become a crawl
Yeah shroud I'm 99% sure it was removed because a lot of people did try to target their own shroud creatures. Hexproof was grossly overtuned though I know I hated the mechanic when it started appearing on more things than just troll ascetic. Ward is a nice balance to it though and while things with it still 'die to removal' at least you aren't investing a lot of mana to have something die to just 2 mana doom blade.
Every time I hear about new mtg sets my brain glazed over and I turn into an old man, shaking my cane and going "Back in my day..." Every set after War of the Spark just hit me with wave after wave of "I don't belong here anymore. Everything I love is old and dusty now."
17:19 As a stargazing aficionado, my brain can't stop seeing the conected dots in the art as the pegasus constelation and it's anoying me LOL it's not 1 to 1, but my pattern recognition is kicking in. Edit: Stargazer LOL
So since you asked, The original counterpart to power creeping was (power )nerfing, However nowadays power curbing is the more accurate (albeit underutilised) term.
As a mostly limited player for MTG, and not paying attention to constructed at all, I was right about everything other than Biting-Palm Ninja. I would have figured it would see some play in standard in a dimir or esper control deck as a side board option against midrange.
@@TheOneJameYT Please show him Muldrotha and Cards like Arcane signet in the context, which won`t interact with the Commander, just too see his face ;)
This sounds like such a fun idea. A few combs come to mind: Showing Feather with Defiant Strike and Young Pyromancer, Meren of Clan Nel Toth with Plaguecrafter and Blood Artist. Stuff like that!
Thats a great idea, would also bring in more people to watch since EDH is the forefront of the game these days. Remember to explain to the guest the difference between casual EDH and the competitive format. Since cards like nekuzar might be "good" in casual EDH but almost unplayable in cEDH.
As someone with no MtG experience the only one I got was Case of the Crimson Pulse, because of Jinx from Legends of Runeterra having basically the same effect and being a staple of aggro for years.
i got 4/1, for some reason i thought of that 1 mana monkey when i saw the case card and was like "other cards give you all the value you need anyways!" but turns out that's modern only
Just started watching the video, but does MBT know about companions? If not I would suggest showing him Lurrus in a later episode. That will definitely be a fun watch. Edit here and oh well 6:15 happened hahaha
14:20 Mmmmm… Hymn to Tourach, one of my favorite cards of all time. Probably something like: Life from the Loam Knight of the Reliquary Hymn to Tourach Sensei’s Divining Top Force of Will
The thing that he probably didn't get about Crimson Pulse is that it's draw 2 EVERY TURN after it's solved. It just gives you so many cards to throw out in the throw-out-cards-that-do-2.5-damage-each deck.
He called it a Howling Mine, so I think he realized that. What I do think he missed is it draws 2 during upkeep, then you draw another card during draw step. Either that, or it's just exactly what he said in the video: "You're paying 3 mana in RDW?"
Yeah 3 cards a turn in RDW is pretty good. Just upfront it's giving a card too so that's not bad unless you get landflooded then you can't really solve the case quickly to get to the draw 3 cards a turn.
8:22 Turning a creature face up is a special action, does not use the stack, and you aren't able to respond to it. If you're referring to the ETB of Cryptic Coat, then if that is countered the card won't be put face down anyways.
You should do a "color focused" series. Like next time do 1 mono blue, and 1 of each of the blue/x 2 color pair's. Thatd be interesting to watch. Maybe expand out to all pioneer legal cards?
I don't know if you also know anything about flesh and blood, but I think having someone like MBT who has all these well thought out thought processes for card evaluation would be a good watch.
I think that case of the crimson pulse was misjudged a bit because it was treated as 1 extra card (howling mine). The ability is on upkeep which means you still get your normal draw. So it is 2 extra cards per turn, not just 1. That's a pretty big difference.
The brief confusion around "Hammertime" in this video got me thinking that the current Modern Hammertime deck would be a good option if you wanted to do another video of YGO players rating recent MTG Modern deck archetypes. It would be interesting to see how one of them might evaluate an actual combo deck in the other game, but it's also a relatively simple and straightforward combo deck without many pieces that should be fairly easy to understand. Maybe something like, Ornithopter as the "bonus card" at the start, then Urza's Saga, Esper Sentinel, Colossus Hammer, Stoneforge Mystic, Sigarda's Aid, Puresteel Paladin? I think that should be a pretty easy one. Another idea that this video got me thinking about: The bringing up of the tendency of games to make powered-down versions of famously overpowered cards makes me think a fun concept for a video would be showing a player an infamously broken card from the other game, and then showing them a bunch of nerfed retrains of it, and making them guess how good all the different new versions are - which ones are still broken, which ones are good, which ones are actually bad. I know Yu-Gi-Oh has umpteen different "Pot Of" cards based off of Pot Of Greed, but I'm not sure if it's ever done that for any other cards, but I know Magic has a bunch of cards that have had many subsequent cards that are take-offs on their design trying to "fix" them, mostly the Power Nine and other famous cards from the first set.
Huh, I would have given Serra Paragon as playable in the context of Standard. Sure, it’s fallen out of the meta now, but it’s had at least a year before that IIRC
I think that it would be neat if you found a way to include brown or gold cards here too. Whether you want to make an additional category of “non-monocolored” or replace one of the WUBRG with a not monocolored card, it would be neat to see.
12:09 Actually, Kamigawa2 was the _fourth_ time they did ninjutsu. The 2nd was in the second wave of Planechase decks, and the third was in the first Modern Horizons.
If any Yu-Gi-Oh players ask a Magic player about the "Once per turn" part of Magic cards and ask if it's a "Hard" or "Soft" Once Per Turn, say "Soft". If you flicker or reanimate the card, that ability has been reset as it's treated as a new version, which means that's a "Soft Once Per Turn."
From my MTGA experience: Serra Paragon: I played a bit of White Aggro and is just mid. If it could be tutored into the field it would be better, but eh. Solid in draft though. Cryptid Coat: After playing the other MBT deck (T for Tempo), a pseudo Tolarian Terror generator that is also unblockable with the equipment can't be that bad. I've tried to use Surge engine and Bankbuster in Blue before. This is way better. Palm-Bite Ninja: First deck I tried to make in Arena. But yeah, it needs to be 1 mana less to be viable in Ninjas. Same cost does not cut it, even with the Dimir ninja that lowers Ninjitsu costs. Case of the Crimson Pulse: A better Ambergris? Yes, please (I've played enough alchemy for gems with RDW, don't judge me). Axebane Ferox: I thought there could be an use case as a side vsf some Black (Mostly if they play Tenacious Underdog) or Red Decks, since it just stays on field being annoying. Maybe even vs Blue Tempo if they are still on Tolarian and Djinn since losing GY can suck. But I guess I was wrong.
I played MTG 20 years ago. All these cards seemed good apart from the green one which is just a moderately big creature that might be cheap in terms of mana compared to what I'm used to, but it can be dealt with. The red one seemed borderline broken, I mean card advantage in red is serious trouble for everyone else. The black one I got wrong as it seemed very scary, I mean black can often sneak some attack in and losing your best card does hurt. Figured it might be a tad slow, but I mean it's still your best card getting wiped. White clearly too slow to push the needle, good but not competitive enough, easy to assess. The blue one I felt very conflicted about. It's obviously good, but it seems very slow and only playable in control. I was glad to hear it's viable.
Cryptic Coat is one of the best equipment ever printed. While the legacy Stoneblade archetype is only tier 3, it is usually better than Batterskull and True-Name Nemesis. The true power is getting a blue card with Stoneforge Mystic to pitch to Force of Will. When you have the Stoneforge + Cryptic Coat engine active, you get a 2/2 ward 2 every turn, in addition to having a True-Name Nemesis. You can bounce it to hand to pitch it to Force. The only other equipment that is still clearly legacy playable is Kaldra Compleat, which is obviously cracked.
I am SHOCKED SHOCKED I tell you that mono blue tron himself is a blue player. Show him some commander blue cards like Eriette or niv mizzet from karlov
I'm a little surprised about Axebane Feros. A 4/4 haste+deathtouch creature for 4 mana seems really close to on curve to me. Not insane good, not "must pick" good but if I saw it in a draft and you were already going in on green, I feel I'd pick it without hesitation. Maybe the 4 picks these days are just too OP to settle for a merely good.
Love seeing MBT become increasingly bewildered by the direction mtg has taken in his absence lol.
Even people who regularly play MTG in current year don't seem to fully appreciate how bonkers MTG has gotten. The fact that Discover is a thing that exists and MTG players don't seem to mind is baffling to me. They literally designed an entire set around what would be the equivalent to a deck in Yugioh where every card in your deck is a 1-card FTK.
@HunterStiles651 yeah its like. I appreciate flavorful mechanics in thematic sets but having like 5 versions of foretell morph etc is just ridiculous
@@HunterStiles651 wait i was trying to move to magic... what are you saying? 🤦♀
@justalyx7952 MTG is completely fucked and has been since 2020. The full explanation is a bit lengthy but the TL:DR is they've adopted the Komoney philosophy of "break the game on purpose to sell product" but they are infinitely less smart about it and it's killing the game. The only Magic product anyone buys anymore are Universes Beyond which are essentially turning other IPs into Magic Cards. And they have no regard for if it fits the world of Magic. It's gotten to the point where you can't tell what's real and what's a shitpost.
@@HunterStiles651 ehh discover is just cascade which has existed for a long time
I love mbt getting more and more aggitated with the cards double fisting beverages, incredible
the episodes with him are becoming my favorites
the funny thing about Serra Paragon is that they had to rewrite the rules to make it work because as written under the rules when it released it just straight up could not give the exile ability to the things you replay with it
I had to look up the change.
Who ever came up with that original rule sub section must have been a hater. 😂
Reminds me of when they had to errata how cast prevention works as Squee could simply escape Ixalans Binding since attempting to cast him from exile moved him on the stack before "can't cast spells with the same name as the exiled card" was checked.
I wish that they had said that; I wanted to hear MBTs reaction lol
Hopefully by the time Joseph decides to come back, Wizards will have introduced ten more new keywords.
I got a banger idea
Show MBT a bunch of companions so he can flex his knowledge about Extra Deck monsters and how changes in execution can lead to wildly different results in regards to how well those two mechanics were received
LMAO
@@TheOneJameYT I think it’s super interesting how differently Konami and WOTC handled their “monster that’s outside the game” mechanics. The most controversial extra deck monster was Link monsters, mainly due to MR4 (and the 97 FTKs involving Firewall Dragon), and instead of never printing another link monster again, they got rid of all the toxic ones and now Link monsters are pretty well accepted. I really think something similar could have happened with Companions had they allowed all the problematic ones to either be banned or rotated out of standard, and scale the next wave of them down power wise.
@@modernkiwi6447 the problem with companions was that the design came from a bad place from the start. Companions was a mechanic dreamed up when commander was popular but not officially supported. So WotC went "if you like having a commander, here we will give you commander in standard". Not understanding that people enjoyed commander for being different and generally low power, not for the hyper efficient extra deck monster.
@@mistriousfrogYou know, that doesn't sound *too* dissimilar to the problems yugioh is facing
Go one step further - Companions, Stickers and Attractions.
Every time I hear the name Thoughtseize I think of it as Thoughtsies, which just sounds like a cute Pokemon or something.
or something gollum is mumbling about to himself
Must be the new dark type starter for prank kids, “Prank-kids Thoughtsies”
Same,though my excuse is that I mostly just listen to MTG vids so I only looked at the card like the 20th time I heard it
Thotsies
This is what that "quirky, artsy" person calls their intrusive thoughts when they let them win. "It's just my thoughtsies, acting up, tehe."
I would love an all blue episode with Joseph. I would frankly love any episode where he comes back. As someone who has dipped back and forth between Magic and Yugioh for much of her life (with some breaks from both for life reasons), I love hearing Joseph talk about Magic. I find the differences endlessly interesting, and I feel like only speak to them quite as compellingly as he.
I will ask him! Hopefully we get to do a blue episode.
@@TheOneJameYTI absolutely second another episode with MBT!
One of my favorite ygo players. A game I don't even play.
MBT brought up the Cheerios deck!
Although the Cheerios deck MBT is talking about uses Puresteel Paladin and Sram, Senior Edificer to draw its entire deck with 0 Costing artifacts. Not the Cheerios deck that will come up later...
Also the Hammertime deck MBT references is from 15 years ago in standard and uses Loxodon Warhammer, the ORIGINAL Hammertime
There's a NEW hammer?
@@MBTYuGiOh @4:05 you said "Rhino Hammer" which i assume you meant "Loxodon Warhammer" which was the hammertime of the time
@4:10 James described "Colossus Hammer" which has been a tier 1/2 deck for the past 3 years
"If you have infinite mana" shout out to that one time I had 72 floating mana in elfball commander
No offence, MBT, but you are extremely witty and entertaining. I greatly enjoy seeing you work with different creators.
Again, no offense meant.
Wait, Case of the Crimson Pulse actually sees play?
Also, MBT is going to be so mad when he learns about Deep-Cavern Bat.
Experts still dont know if it's a good card.
People play it, but the jury's out on whether it's worth it.
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player: Please tell me deep-cavern bat is good, please tell me deep-cavern bat is good, please tell me deep-cavern bat is good. I want to play deep-cavern bat so bad.
@@goldenarmour7975it’s a smoke grenade on an evasive body, but if it dies they get the card back. Sees play throughout black in standard as a good 2 drop.
Oh and it has lifelink too so it’s got grind game.
I am pretty sure that MBT did not work out that this case when solved was draw 3 per turn and not draw 2. Might have made the decision a bit harder at least.
That being said its only good if the format is slow enough that the format allows you to take a whole turn, or almost a whole turn, off to set up ancestral every turn. Which is to say its super playable in standard RDW if that deck is good but will probably not end up in say modern burn.
Yay! I love mtb! He’s actually really good in this kinda series. He’s very good at using his deductive skills.
With Modern Horizons 3 having callbacks to old cards, it would be awesome to have MBT come back to rate MH3 cards (especially ones that allude to old cards) after the first few big tournaments. :)
That's a great idea!
I really like MBT. Great guy, funny and knows enough about magic to make nostalgic references. Keep him coming back on. He's a winner in my book even if he's not great at these videos.
Mbt is goated. really smart guy with a lot of personality. He is really good at expressing his thoughts too. I don't play ygo really anymore for the past couple years, but I still love watching mbt on ygo because he expresses things really well and is really clever and funny. People rag on him for not being pro pro but he's still very entertaining and insightful. He also used to be a host at ycs tournaments too so he has history of respect or trust.
One niche interaction that can make Biting Palm ninja much better, but is too niche to save it is that it remains an unblocked attacker even after it's damage trigger resolves, so you can ninjutsu something else in to return it to your hand, letting you do it all again next turn, with a new menace counter when it enters again.
I really like the thought process used by someone that has played the game but doesn't know the cards, the back and forth about past formats takes me back too. I know its probably a challenge to pick cards for someone that is familiar with the game, but picking from Standard would throw me off too, lol, Great video man!
Gurmag angler's a pauper staple ! I wonder how much either of you know the pauper format.🤔
I actually played a lot of Pauper about 3 years ago - last format I was actively keeping up with. Loved me some BW Pestilence, one of my favorite childhood cards.
The all blue episode with MonoBlueTron would be fantastic
Gurmag Angler is always playable, how can you not play him? Look at that cute face. He's so happy to be here.
11:04 The cloak effect says turn creature face up at any time for its mana cost. Am I correct in noticing that it doesn't say anything about being at Sorcery speed, and thus you can get creatures at Flash speed?
That is in fact how morph/disguise works, always has been this way.
You are correct
In fact, it is even faster than Instant speed as it is a special action
You can even turn it face up while a split second spell is on the stack
It's a special action, so it's even faster than Flash
"You just have to remember"
In part, the motivation for things like finality counters.
I love how magic will use keywords everywhere with the hope that it’ll be easier to read than explaining the entire effect, but then they just explain the entire effect anyway in parentheses
Why do they do that? It seems more confusing. Is it to simplify card text on other cards that reference that keyword, but don't use that effect (eg. a card that says "if target creature has hexproof" wouldn't have to explain what hexproof is), or something like that?
@@genm4827Yes, and also the way mtg handles its rarities means that they can drop the reminder text sometimes. Typically, more common cards will explain the effect in full, and rares and mythics will drop the reminder text on the assumption that you've had your chance to learn what it means from the commons.
There's also the difference between KEYWORDS, which compress an effect down to one word, and ABILITY WORDS, which are basically just theming prompts to get players to think of a bunch of cards as being related. In yugioh terms, Toon would be an ability word, because being a Toon doesn't mean anything in itself, the card's own individual effect tells you what being a Toon means for that one card.
Gurmag Angler still sees play in Pauper in decks like Dimir Terror and Dimir Fairies that quickly fill their graveyards with small stuff (cantrips make the Terror cheaper and then you can exile them for Angler after that)
Carnage Tyrant was the hexproof dino that was played in Standard which has uncountable.
The reason why hexproof isn't on creatures as much anymore which Ward is more common is because of the play pattern of hexproof was bad especially in limited. Players don't like the inability to remove creatures because of one sided protection. Hexproof is mostly a combat trick now and reserve for mythics. Ward is basically a fairer hexproof.
Yeah, it was Shroud beforehand. Which meant both players couldn't interact with the creature. But I think that was changed, cos people didn't like being unable to interact with their own creatures iirc. Ward is a lot more balanced and fun at a table.
Hexproof can still be affected, but you need to run board wipes for that. And once you start stacking wipes, games just become a crawl
Yeah shroud I'm 99% sure it was removed because a lot of people did try to target their own shroud creatures. Hexproof was grossly overtuned though I know I hated the mechanic when it started appearing on more things than just troll ascetic. Ward is a nice balance to it though and while things with it still 'die to removal' at least you aren't investing a lot of mana to have something die to just 2 mana doom blade.
Probably the best interaction with serra paragon is fetch lands, and the good fetch lands aren't in standard, so it falls a bit flat.
I would honestly love to see him have to read some of the more Modern Blue cards.
Every time I hear about new mtg sets my brain glazed over and I turn into an old man, shaking my cane and going "Back in my day..."
Every set after War of the Spark just hit me with wave after wave of "I don't belong here anymore. Everything I love is old and dusty now."
18:10 I soooooo tried to get a Mortivore deck to work back in the day. 😂
17:19 As a stargazing aficionado, my brain can't stop seeing the conected dots in the art as the pegasus constelation and it's anoying me LOL it's not 1 to 1, but my pattern recognition is kicking in.
Edit: Stargazer LOL
So since you asked,
The original counterpart to power creeping was (power )nerfing,
However nowadays power curbing is the more accurate (albeit underutilised) term.
I desperately want an MBT and Benjamin Wheeler podcast covering the history of type-1.
As a mostly limited player for MTG, and not paying attention to constructed at all, I was right about everything other than Biting-Palm Ninja. I would have figured it would see some play in standard in a dimir or esper control deck as a side board option against midrange.
I just had an idea. MTG commanders.
Show a commander and two cards that can be used in that commander deck with it.
Noted!
@@TheOneJameYTThank you
@@TheOneJameYT Please show him Muldrotha and Cards like Arcane signet in the context, which won`t interact with the Commander, just too see his face ;)
This sounds like such a fun idea. A few combs come to mind: Showing Feather with Defiant Strike and Young Pyromancer, Meren of Clan Nel Toth with Plaguecrafter and Blood Artist. Stuff like that!
Thats a great idea, would also bring in more people to watch since EDH is the forefront of the game these days. Remember to explain to the guest the difference between casual EDH and the competitive format. Since cards like nekuzar might be "good" in casual EDH but almost unplayable in cEDH.
MBT is MonoBlueTron lmao he should have a Mono Blue episode
I agree!
Mbt so smart. He can speak without speaking. I felt that mbt. I know. I saw. They do not know.
Give him a mono blue tron modern rogue deck. To see how much has changed since he played.
As someone with no MtG experience the only one I got was Case of the Crimson Pulse, because of Jinx from Legends of Runeterra having basically the same effect and being a staple of aggro for years.
i got 4/1, for some reason i thought of that 1 mana monkey when i saw the case card and was like "other cards give you all the value you need anyways!" but turns out that's modern only
So fun joke with the green card. You play it with “rest in peace” and it’s basically hexproof lol
Yep!
Just started watching the video, but does MBT know about companions? If not I would suggest showing him Lurrus in a later episode. That will definitely be a fun watch.
Edit here and oh well 6:15 happened hahaha
MBT all Blue episode sounds great. Throw off his judgement, and while your at it throw a bunch of nonsense keywords at him to get him extra riled.
Hey, Gurmag Angler is still played in Dimir decks in Pauper with Tolarian Terror as well.
MBT plays floodgates?!
**Stares at what happened in Chaos Draft**
Okay yeah, that tracks,
7:25 imagine misremembering when colored artifacts were introduced
14:20 Mmmmm… Hymn to Tourach, one of my favorite cards of all time.
Probably something like:
Life from the Loam
Knight of the Reliquary
Hymn to Tourach
Sensei’s Divining Top
Force of Will
Life from the Loam is a very nice card to have at the top of your list
The thing that he probably didn't get about Crimson Pulse is that it's draw 2 EVERY TURN after it's solved. It just gives you so many cards to throw out in the throw-out-cards-that-do-2.5-damage-each deck.
He said you get a howling mine so i think he got that part
He called it a Howling Mine, so I think he realized that. What I do think he missed is it draws 2 during upkeep, then you draw another card during draw step.
Either that, or it's just exactly what he said in the video: "You're paying 3 mana in RDW?"
Yeah 3 cards a turn in RDW is pretty good. Just upfront it's giving a card too so that's not bad unless you get landflooded then you can't really solve the case quickly to get to the draw 3 cards a turn.
Gurmag angler still sees quite bit pauper play. It is quite nice threat, when murktide regent does not exist.
8:22 Turning a creature face up is a special action, does not use the stack, and you aren't able to respond to it. If you're referring to the ETB of Cryptic Coat, then if that is countered the card won't be put face down anyways.
He was talking about countering the cloak trigger
The talk of Green cards with a lot of text has me wanting to see him get exposed to Questing Beast
I remember Mortivore. I played it in a Pestilence deck in Kitchen Table. Still have my playset somewhere.
I finally found a use for Biting Palm Ninja in a commander deck. Arna Kennerud from MH3 lol
When it first came out I climbed the Arena ladder with a Serra Paragon deck
I absolutely need more MBT MTG content
Funny he mentioned Morti cause its in the Lhurgoyf deck if im not mistaken
It is!
You should do a "color focused" series. Like next time do 1 mono blue, and 1 of each of the blue/x 2 color pair's. Thatd be interesting to watch. Maybe expand out to all pioneer legal cards?
Something to note for Cryptic Coat: Turning a cloaked card face up is a special action and bypasses the stack.
Also, bro has the same accent as JSchlatt.
Axebane Ferox looks like an uncommon.
Defiler of Vigor seems like a good green card to show him.
another niche upside to cryptic coat is that it lets stoneforge mystic get you something to pitch to force of will in stoneblade decks
I dont often agree with MBT but his exasperation at ward? I felt that in my heart.
loved the video many laughs had for sure love mbt and all card games this series is one of my favorite on youtube for sure
Serra paragon recurring bauble’s to draw cards seems fairly good. Hand/deck info and extra card drawn seems decent.
Could also recur urza’s saga.
I don't know if you also know anything about flesh and blood, but I think having someone like MBT who has all these well thought out thought processes for card evaluation would be a good watch.
18:15 The card MBT is thinking of is Desperate Ravings
Gurmag Angler still sees regular play in budget Death's Shadow.
I think that case of the crimson pulse was misjudged a bit because it was treated as 1 extra card (howling mine). The ability is on upkeep which means you still get your normal draw. So it is 2 extra cards per turn, not just 1. That's a pretty big difference.
You should show him Deadly Coverup and 3 steps ahead
Can someone give me a timestamp for when the Yu-Gi-Oh expert comes on? I couldn't find them
🤣
So creepy ninja guy is a Breaker that instead of popping a spell gets to activate Confiscation? To banishment instead of GY? Sounds like "fun" to me.
Unsure what Joseph was saying about coldsnap being the set that had artifacts with colored cost? I just checked and couldn’t find any in that set.
Boy you ain't throwing no hands!! 😂😂
MBT is so bad at evaluating Yu-Gi-Oh! cards.
This negative comment will make MBT come.
(I've got LoR cards for you to rate if you want.)
The brief confusion around "Hammertime" in this video got me thinking that the current Modern Hammertime deck would be a good option if you wanted to do another video of YGO players rating recent MTG Modern deck archetypes. It would be interesting to see how one of them might evaluate an actual combo deck in the other game, but it's also a relatively simple and straightforward combo deck without many pieces that should be fairly easy to understand. Maybe something like, Ornithopter as the "bonus card" at the start, then Urza's Saga, Esper Sentinel, Colossus Hammer, Stoneforge Mystic, Sigarda's Aid, Puresteel Paladin? I think that should be a pretty easy one.
Another idea that this video got me thinking about: The bringing up of the tendency of games to make powered-down versions of famously overpowered cards makes me think a fun concept for a video would be showing a player an infamously broken card from the other game, and then showing them a bunch of nerfed retrains of it, and making them guess how good all the different new versions are - which ones are still broken, which ones are good, which ones are actually bad. I know Yu-Gi-Oh has umpteen different "Pot Of" cards based off of Pot Of Greed, but I'm not sure if it's ever done that for any other cards, but I know Magic has a bunch of cards that have had many subsequent cards that are take-offs on their design trying to "fix" them, mostly the Power Nine and other famous cards from the first set.
Heck yeah I want to see if the mono blue tron player knows the value of the brand new Karnstruct Assembly Line from the wild west
Huh, I would have given Serra Paragon as playable in the context of Standard. Sure, it’s fallen out of the meta now, but it’s had at least a year before that IIRC
It was playable for a few months and a lot of people tried it but it ended up being a below average card
it was one of the worst cards in the deck it was in
I think that it would be neat if you found a way to include brown or gold cards here too. Whether you want to make an additional category of “non-monocolored” or replace one of the WUBRG with a not monocolored card, it would be neat to see.
Cryptic is also pretty decent in legacy, having a blue equipment to search in stoneblade decks for pitching to force is a cool line
damn its been so long i failed to recognize a literal 5 mana aetherling that stays on the field even after u bounce. i feel bad.
who knew monobluetron loves blue :P
12:09 Actually, Kamigawa2 was the _fourth_ time they did ninjutsu. The 2nd was in the second wave of Planechase decks, and the third was in the first Modern Horizons.
I’LL HAVE YOU KNOW THAT GURMAG ANGLER IS STILL ALIVE IN PAUPER
If any Yu-Gi-Oh players ask a Magic player about the "Once per turn" part of Magic cards and ask if it's a "Hard" or "Soft" Once Per Turn, say "Soft". If you flicker or reanimate the card, that ability has been reset as it's treated as a new version, which means that's a "Soft Once Per Turn."
I’d like to see MBT evaluate cards specifically from standard-rotated Pioneer sets, see if we can get this man into the format.
You mean to tell me the person named "Mono Blue Tron" is a blue player?
Heads up: the audio sync is off by a second or so
I so insanely badly need to see mbt get back into magic.
From my MTGA experience:
Serra Paragon: I played a bit of White Aggro and is just mid. If it could be tutored into the field it would be better, but eh. Solid in draft though.
Cryptid Coat: After playing the other MBT deck (T for Tempo), a pseudo Tolarian Terror generator that is also unblockable with the equipment can't be that bad. I've tried to use Surge engine and Bankbuster in Blue before. This is way better.
Palm-Bite Ninja: First deck I tried to make in Arena. But yeah, it needs to be 1 mana less to be viable in Ninjas. Same cost does not cut it, even with the Dimir ninja that lowers Ninjitsu costs.
Case of the Crimson Pulse: A better Ambergris? Yes, please (I've played enough alchemy for gems with RDW, don't judge me).
Axebane Ferox: I thought there could be an use case as a side vsf some Black (Mostly if they play Tenacious Underdog) or Red Decks, since it just stays on field being annoying. Maybe even vs Blue Tempo if they are still on Tolarian and Djinn since losing GY can suck. But I guess I was wrong.
Come ooon, Angler is plyed in Pauper!
I played MTG 20 years ago. All these cards seemed good apart from the green one which is just a moderately big creature that might be cheap in terms of mana compared to what I'm used to, but it can be dealt with. The red one seemed borderline broken, I mean card advantage in red is serious trouble for everyone else. The black one I got wrong as it seemed very scary, I mean black can often sneak some attack in and losing your best card does hurt. Figured it might be a tad slow, but I mean it's still your best card getting wiped. White clearly too slow to push the needle, good but not competitive enough, easy to assess. The blue one I felt very conflicted about. It's obviously good, but it seems very slow and only playable in control. I was glad to hear it's viable.
Ahh yes MBT, no one look up what that stands for before watching this 😂
I love crossovers of my two favorite card games
It obviously means Marincess Blue Tang
@@alicetheaxolotl I was waiting for this comment 😂😂
hmmmmm i wonder if mr. _monobluetron_ has a blue bias
Gurmag Angler sees play in Pauper Format!!! Cruise and dig through time are banned tho.
Cryptic Coat is one of the best equipment ever printed. While the legacy Stoneblade archetype is only tier 3, it is usually better than Batterskull and True-Name Nemesis. The true power is getting a blue card with Stoneforge Mystic to pitch to Force of Will. When you have the Stoneforge + Cryptic Coat engine active, you get a 2/2 ward 2 every turn, in addition to having a True-Name Nemesis. You can bounce it to hand to pitch it to Force. The only other equipment that is still clearly legacy playable is Kaldra Compleat, which is obviously cracked.
Remember Mortivore? I have a copy within arm's reach!
Sick!!
18:03 MY BOY!
Forget an all blue show, have him back for all Green!
19:28 MBT TOMANDO MATE!?!?!?!?
Loving these videos with MBT! Out of curiosity (and given his comments on green cards), has he seen Questing Beast yet?
Pretty sure!
I am SHOCKED SHOCKED I tell you that mono blue tron himself is a blue player. Show him some commander blue cards like Eriette or niv mizzet from karlov
MBT talking so much shit about a cool card design and then immediately getting it wrong is so on brand
I'm a little surprised about Axebane Feros. A 4/4 haste+deathtouch creature for 4 mana seems really close to on curve to me. Not insane good, not "must pick" good but if I saw it in a draft and you were already going in on green, I feel I'd pick it without hesitation. Maybe the 4 picks these days are just too OP to settle for a merely good.