Yugioh Player Tries To Guess BANNED or BROKEN MTG Cards w/
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- Yugioh player joins the show trying to guess how good Magic: the Gathering cards are!
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the lesson to take from this is that if Yugioh players could learn to read they would be unstoppable
I know the meme of not reading in yugioh but it makes you realize how crazy our memory is for a game that we memorize so many cards to the point of not having to read them.
Dude this video was so fun to record, thank you for having me ❤️
You were awesome! Would love to have you back again
Congrats echo. Good reasoning. 🤘
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congrats on 5/5! Well done :D
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Smart. Seriously, good work. Very quickly wrapped your head around the comparative speed of the game and the combat mechanics.
I loved how at 4:30 you asked deck building questions! Well played, Echo!
I would always show Platinum Angel as an opener just to mess with them
For bonus points, put it next to Abyssal Persecutor
@@matthewpopow6647 followed by Door to Nothingness
I love this idea lol
>me, having flashbacks to tooth and nail decks
For pure trolling, show them the Mirrodin block artifact lands. Without contaxt, they're functionally just like the basic lands that happen to also be artifacts and lose the ability to interact with things that specify basic lands... no other abilities, still obey normal play rules for lands, they're just artifacts instead of being Basic... just... artifacts... what's the worst that could happen?
24:25 Four out of four so far. And you know why I know he’s never played MtG? Because the reasoning for Alrund’s Epiphany was so very, VERY off.
Yu-Gi-Oh has way more exile loop B.S. - which I have to imagine is what he was thinking.
When he read the card and then started saying "So this card makes...creatures?" I was thinking "That is NOT the important part here" lol
Anyone who has played HS or Magic ever and sees "take an extra turn" - unless it takes like 10 steps that shit is gonna be broken. 7 mana (or more importantly the foretell) is hella broken simply because if you ever establish a board you just dome your opponent instantly.
@@BottleorumModern has 3 mana extra turn spells- Alrund is unplayable outside of standard
His Phyrexian Obliterator analysis was peak magic player mindset though. “Dies to removal. No ban needed”
Asking a Yugioh player to pay anything above 3 mana is like asking mr crabs to pay at all
It implies there is such a thing as a turn 4, a concept completely alien to YGO players
@@brunop.8745 As I understand it how YGO players count turns it would actually mean turn 7 (each players go is counted as a turn in YGO - if I understand correctly). Which makes "YGO games usually end on turn 3" even more insane to me.
@@JinFreeks ye ye, it's usually
I play
You play and try to push for game playing through my board
If I'm still alive hopefully I get you on the crackback
(Tho every once in a while is more like:
I/we play
We play, I try to stop you in real time you try to push for game
And then the same turn but switched around)
Although I was saying it bc paying in Yugioh usually means paying with cards and not every card gets you something for being in the grave, so going -3 to accomplish nothing that's game defining happens in Yugioh quite a bit (usually it's your opponent having some interactionwith your board) and it usually means that you lost, either right now or that turn 3 is going to be a tossup on you being able to push for game and on turn 4 you're done most likely done and going -4 is so bad you usually concede. While in other games paying is not that detrimental it goes in the same brain area, so a Yugioh player trying to play another game has difficulty assessing a 4+ cost card in any other game because they have a goblin inside telling them "hold on there pardner, that shit's too expensive for what it does, we're gonna lose if you put this card on your deck"
@@brunop.8745 But not to mystic mine players ;)
As soon as you said the last card was gonna be a lot of words, and I remembered you were going in WUBRG order, I knew it would be Questing Beast
Good guess 🤣
it was either questing beast or the original wording of Sylvan Library. I was 50/50
@@pietrociompi5883 Let's be happy that there wasn't any colorless cards, because, some of those olden day cards from like ice cauldron... yeah..
@@pietrociompi5883 Chains of Mephistopholes
@@livedandletdie _Amulet of Quoz wants to know your location_
Currently jamming Obliterator + Fight spells in Standard. It is not good. But between flawless victories and opponents re-reading the card after shooting it, so worth it.
I actually run it in my standard rats deck as a way to beat red/green decks. No brotherhood's end board wipes from them without repercussions!
I like playing an artifact deck, mightstone and weakstone is SUCH a blessing i HATE the obliterator since packing your deck full of removal is so boring.
It’s still in standard?
This is why I'm an esper mage. I can choose to destroy a creature, bounce it, exile it or just wrath it because esper mages love to remove creatures.
@@triopsate3 with my rat deck i give you many good options to destroy so its all even lol
I always chuckle when the Yu-Gi-Oh players ask about set symbols, it's something that makes perfect sense coming from a game where all the little emblems actually have a game purpose though.
I mean, city in a bottle/apocalypse chime technicaly sets precedent for set symbols mattering.
@@egoalter1276 oh yeah, there's definitely a few cards that care about it, but only a few.
Giving a YGO player Fable to evaluate is straight-up evil. But this guy killed the challenge!
I once got a Obliterator with my Cryptic Coat, and a 7/7 Amalia blocked it.
Was a great moment.
Oh wow 🤣
OUCH lol
Cryptic coat makes it unblockable tho 🤔
@@youbluethatone1017 they probably moved the coat to another creature before they attacked with the 2/2 cloaked Obliterator (or added cloak to hand)
@@TheOneJameYT Amusingly, Cryptic Coat has no Equip ability, it can only go back to hand and then cloak a new card off the top. Or, it can be moved onto something through another card's effect, but that's unusual.
a new person joins the five for five card fight club. Impressive, most impressive.
3 people in the club now!
Who are the other two?
@@ThetrueKidGoku Mia from Nitpicking Nerds and Tronisbad! Might be worth checking those videos out because they’re great!
Of course questing beast couldn't get banned, it dies to doom blade.
One card I would show people in these would be timesifter, just to mess with them. That or tornado from alliances.
timesifter is hilarious
I think Joshua Schmidt would be great at this specific game, Broken or Banned. Just showing him cards to see if they're good or bad would be too easy for him.
I agree he would be!
As for Pokémon TCG creators, AzulGG is an accredited player and has collaborated with other channels before. LittleDarkFury is also one of my favorites in the space. Either would be a great guest to have here!
Noted!
Omg he cleared the obliterator bait. Noone guesses that right
He’s good!
Mono red and Mono green literally cannot deal with it but don't worry, it was never banned
Green can use a beast within type at least. But yeah its good but it was never like nearly as insane as it looked when it was first shown in new phyrexia.
@@laytonjr6601I mean that's the big weakness of mono-color decks right? You gain consistency but sacrifice ability to deal with certain kinds of threats.
Not all colors should be able to do everything
Interesting that the yugioh player was able to figure out why a broken creature wasn't banned, because it dies to removal.
25:38 and of course proliferate exists and getting to 3 counters is laughably easy but also if you want to just repeat the 1st or second effect
removing counters well that's fairly easy too
He's four for four, I believe he'll get five. I know he's not played magic before, there was that brief misunderstanding of "Oh, so when you've exiled Alrund's (as part of its resolution) you can re-cast it?"
Phyrexian Obliterator seems to strike me as MTG's answer to Power Tool Dragon, which is already obscene considering PTD's ability to survive 4 turns with a backrow.
For Alrund’s Epiphany, it was technically banned on the back of a pretty degenerate play pattern - UR was abusing it with Galvanic Iteration to copy it, stacking the extra turns and doubling the birds.
Yeah outside of the combo it's a good card, but it only really works if you already have a boardstate. Otherwise you're basically just paying 7 mana for two birds and a draw.
@@lucidiouslyYou're sort of paying nothing for two birds in a draw because all your mana is untapped for your extra turn. But it happens in such a late stage in the game that it doesn't actually do much unless you have a developed ward or your desperate for some sort of perfect card.
in my opinion it shouldnt have been banned. it was banned because wotc hjas decided they ahve to make changes to standard every so often separate from new releases whether the format is healthy or not . that goes for fable of kiki jiki even more so . they even said for fable they were only banning ig to shake up hte meta due to them extending rotation
@@sethstephens4777 This is not true at all. They banned Fable because it generated so much value out of a difficult to deal with permanent type. It made two threats, generated mana, and even helped you filter cards. It could win games just on it's own if left unchecked and continues to do so in older formats. It was way way too powerful for standard.
@@tonysmith9905 Fable was not played significantly in Standard until Sheoldred the Apocalypse came out nearly a year later, and without that card it would be fine in the format to this day. Everyone knew how powerful it was from day one but there was no deck that could really use it effectively, Sheoldred was the only reason it saw significant play. THAT is the card that needed to be banned, and everyone knew it. This ban was framed as a hit to slow down Sheoldred, it failed miserably and everyone but WOtC realized it would immediately upon the ban announcement. The format is suffering from this mistake to this day.
Funniest interaction with Obliterator is definitely that if your opponent finds a way for it to fight one of your own creatires or deal damage to itself (like with Asmor) then you sac the permanents
Drop Echo a modern deck. My man has threat assessment on point.
For sure!
For Arlunds it was so funny seeing how every sentence had to be explained to him.
i think you mean every sentence, period. I gave up, dude sounds out to lunch.
I frankly don't get how it's MtG of all games that has people say "reading the card explains the card."
@@doctoroctococks8968 yea i agree. Guy could read "Gain 2 life" and would still ask "what does that mean?"
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@@Zetact_ Because Magic cards are written to say exactly what they do in the clearest possible way. It's not like games like Yugioh, where reading any given card makes you feel like you're having a stroke.
It's funny you mention toughness and planeswalkers. If you've played long enough, you probably remember that funny time when you or an opponent tried to make a planeswalker indestructible only to be told "nah it dies with no loyalty counters anyways" when it gets attacked.
I’ve done that and was very sad lol
"I am bad at reading"
You alreafy told us you play yugioh.
🤣
I'd say I'm surprised that for Alrund's epiphany, he didn't consider the angle that Foretell gives some protection from an opponent's discard effects, but I guess that kind of thing has largely gone out of vogue in Yugioh.
For Pokemon players you should ask AzulGG! He's the top player in US and he'd totally be down
Noted
The way I like to try and explain the difference between Yugioh and MTG is things like discarding, In Yugioh you have to have the exact amount of cards to discard or the spell/trap cant be activated, but in MTG Discard 2 is not a restriction on casting.
My guys reasoning was out of this world. His tcg awareness is insane.
As soon as you said wait for the last card, I knew it was going to be Questing Beast. Haha. But you didn't explain to your guest that foretell saves your spells from hand disruption.
I haven't played...really since Eldrain, I can't keep up because I'm poor, and dont tell me that Arena is a good substitute, its not.
I knew that Mirror Breaker existed, but didn't know that it got banned, and i was pretty sure that unless Questing Beast had some degenerate thing going on in Pioneer, it wasn't going to be, because Modern would eat that thing for breakfast.
I have an...intense....dislike of Obliterator...when it first came out during Mirran Besieged/New Phyrexia, i was playing a W/G deck that had VERY little interaction with it, because White didn't have the best answers back then, and board wipes in my deck were a no no.
Gotta leave a like and comment, I love these "reacting to mtg cards" videos!
Thanks!
5 million rulings outside of the card, if only he knew about Humility, a very simple card, that requires a doctorate in MTG rulings to understand what even happens 50% of the time. it makes pole position extremely easy to understand (at least all you or a judge needs to know to resolve pole position properly is the loops part of the ruling, whereas humility needs you to know effect priorities)
I mean humility is pretty chill *until* something else in the same layer comes down. In most basic games it dpes exactly what it says
Just saying for Questing Beast its cost is negligible due to the fact it’s in green. green in the Ramp colour you can get Questing Beast out turn 3 pretty easily in this colour so you’re opponent working with like 2 mana is forced to deal with this thing and waste resources on this card that can quickly become a problem since you turn 2 plays can’t do anything it besides kill spells or damage spells.
Man i’m feeling dumb. I played (casually) magic for quite a while. From the original kamigawa all the way until my final set with dinosaurs and pirates and i had no idea there was even a ban list and i went 2/5 on this 😅
"Can you block with cards from your hand?" *WOTC card design team's eyes widen* "Not yet..."
🤣
Nah, WotC hates blocking. And we've already gotten attack from hand twice now (dash and blitz).
@@artemiskearney8019 I was just thinking about an ability where once you've blocked you can pay this ability's cost to put a creature into play blocking that creature as well and the original creature gains a 'prevent all damage this creature would do and return this card to hand at the end of combat' type deal. I really like the idea of using a beefy creature in hand to absorb combat damage (since you get to assign damage distribution) while blocking. I know control probably doesn't need any help but I feel like aggro could use some cooling too.
Blocking ninjitsu would be pretty cool.
Flash creatures can already be used as instant speed blockers. It's just usually good Flash Creatures are utility based or very frail.
Can u show specifically magic combos there is plenty that are good and bad that look bad that are good and vice versa
I like to explain fortell as being like YGO trap cards where you need to pay to set them, but in exchange you get a discount for flipping them face up.
Taking an extra turn in mtg is weak compared to if it was in yugioh, so that puts yugioh players off. Also, the difference between the value of draw is night and day.
Now im imagining a reverse engineering stream/broken telephone.
You get a Yugioh/Pokemon/Hearthstone/whatever person to "translate" a card/its effects to that game (e.g. YGO case "damage cant be prevented = can't be wabokud", "deathtouch = has Exploder without burn/Neo Bubbleman/Ally of Justice style effect", etc) and then a third person that knows MTG and that other game tries to guess the "translated" cards.
That sounds hilarious lol
I wouldve done Chalice of the Void, I showed it to a friend who plays pokemon and he thought it was the most busted card ever
>Reading the card explains the card
>Has to explain basically every line of text
I dunno if that first part is true lol
Next time someone says at least it doesn't have a paragraph on the card you should show them the full rules text secret lair land. Just to show them how much we really like condensing text into keywords in magic.
🤣🤣🤣
I feel like you have to constantly remind yugioh players that when creatures attacks, they don’t attack other creatures. They forget the blocking part of the battle phase because that’s not in Yugioh.
Bro got all the way to questing beast and I can tell he was thinking that deathtouch means you can ram it into larger creatures at will, even saying things like “you want them to establish their board before playing it” no my friend, you run this out there fast as possible and make them deal with it.
Yep lol
This series is the only way I learn anything Magic The Gathering related.
The YGO brain cannot comprehend cards that have COSTS.
We have cards with costs too, we just don't have mana
@@KeshavKrishnan If you explain PSC to me, I will fight you in the fucking street.
PSCT is just the programming language of YGO. Just look for key punctuation, sequential and other phrases such as "do x and if you do, perform Y" and have decent reading comprehension and you are good to go. @@kateslate3228
I started laughing when he said you wouldn't drop Questing Beast on turn 1 like that is an option 99% of the time. As someone that plays both games it always messes with me how difficult the switch between them is for someone who only plays one.
Maybe you should do a digimon tcg one to.
Coming soon
Very glad we have a YuGiOh player who didn't get confuzzled by a card taking 6+ turns for its full effect.
Yea I was thinking the same thing
As a Modern player where Time Warp barely sees any play, some bunch of babies must have complained about Alrund's.
People were copying it in standard to take multiple turns in a row
@@TheOneJameYT Wouldn't that be like 2 cards and 9 mana? Seems reasonable for a wincon
@@TheMCGamer2012 yea it’s 2 cards and 8 mana after the foretell, and it couldn’t be Duress’d out of exile
Tbh, I don't think you should play "broken or banned" with completely new players looking at magic cards for the first time. I think it gives away too much information because you're telling them ahead of time these are good cards, so they completely skip over having to guess if a particular effect is good or cost effective. I feel like guessing if good cards are broken or banned is substantially easier for people who don't play magic than trying to figure out if a selection of cards are good or not in the first place. So I feel like people who literally never played magic and had to be explained the basic rules should first guess if cards are good or not before moving on to "are these good cards banned or just really good" to see how much they've learned.
That’s fair, thanks for the feedback
This guy is hype great showing!
Love from a BigHoles and Vaush fan!
Have this guy on again, this was the most entertaining guest so far!
Happy to hear that!
If you wanna confuse him, show him Goblin Game
I’ve basically only learned magic through videos like this and I’m now confused on why Questing Beast is good?
It does a lot for a 4 mana green card!
Believer, I want to see him do the 5/5
Edit: He got it!
I can't get over the sunglasses and hat indoors.
giving him questing beast is nasty because it came out in such a ridiculous set/era for powerful cards, letting it kinda fly under the radar. good job on him getting them all right, very impressive!
Questing Beast was like the Deadbridge Goliath of Eldraine. Would have been good in any previous Standard format that wasn't the one it existed in lmao
farewell against nine lives, its so nice
He did very well. You to show some Yugioh people some REALLY broken cards, like Time Walk, Ancestral Recall and Oko. Also, Shahrazad, just because it's funny.
Been enjoying these vids! It's like all I watch now!
Great to hear!
"I think this card is broken but not banned."
Genius.
Also please, put a link to your guests in the description. It's just basic respect.
The link is an @ right in the title! But I can also put it in the description if people don’t realize you can click the title to find the person
@@TheOneJameYT That's probably a good idea. I certainly missed it, so I'm probably not the only one. Not much effort to copy-pasta it into the description.
Idea: find a Star Wars Unlimited content creator (I don't know any, don't follow the game but surely they exist) for the archetype game and include Kozmo in them as the once-good. Maybe also BES.
That would be awesome lol
he def looks like a yugioh player 😂
he did it better than i would have and i play magic xD
🤣
I would have watched this when it released, but my right lung collapsed, and I'm currently watching this in the hospital.
Oh wow get better soon!!
I feel like TheOneJame should make sure he understands the card first. The Alrund explanation was difficult to watch
I feel like I explained the card and mechanic well enough to understand
Im sorry man, I meant like at the beginning. You did explain it well, but maybe you should have explained the foretell mechanic at the beginning.@@TheOneJameYT
@@Hylianlink51047 true!
Props to this dude. That list was not easy at all. Maybe he should start playing some mtg he'd be good lol
Yea for sure lol
boi bringing up only 1 legendary in the deck, i remember whe that was the actual rule and then i came back with commander, singelton by design, and then i saw in amonket that one exile spell that if it is a god exiles all coppies in hand as well and i just went "thats strange all gods a legendary so how you you possibly have one in hand with the same name outside of weird cloning shenanigans". as i was so out of touch at that point did this just lead to a weird conversation as neither side got the others standpoint but man we should bring back 1 legend per deck, maybe that stopps wizards from making every non uncommon creature a legendary
ps.: i just had an alrunds epiphany, flying is literally toon in yugioh. toons also attack directly unless the opponent has toons
I'm a believer
Is chase still legal? My friend gave me his blue white control deck and i won a 40 person locals. It was so degenerate lmao. This was like 2010/2011. Really turned me off to mtg
Why didn't you just explain Foretell as "instead of paying 7 right now, you pay 2 to set it in a spell/trap zone that your opponent can't interact with. And from there, you can pay 6 for it on a different turn"
Yea why didn’t I lol
@@TheOneJameYT one of my favorite things about Magic vs Yugioh is that besides a resource system, how combat works, and having a Permanent limit, the games are surprisingly similar and translate across and you can easily use terms to bridge the gap instantly. One of my favorite examples being the time I witnessed someone trying to teach a Yugioh player Magic. The Yugioh player was having a hard time understanding combat and Trample. I said one thing and unlocked everything for him: "Trample is just Piercing Battle Damage from Yugioh and without Trample no damage is dealt to the player if they block."
Echo smart. He considered the speed of the game, he considered that setup time is indeed a cost in itself and he considered magic combat mechanics.
If only he could read 😂
Really impressive showing
Believer bro
That was so fun to watch, please bring echo back! Keep the great content coming my friend!
Will do!
Completely called Questing Beast being the green card when you mentioned paragraphs of text after Farewell.
It do be infamous lmao
Believer!
Believer!
i Believe
Believer
Believer
You see I thought Farewell exiled ALL CARDS of the stated type, from the hand, deck, or cemetery.
Oh that would be insane lol
Hand is a private zone so you can't prove I have creatures, artefacts or enchantments in it without an effect to reveal it
@@laytonjr6601judge call turbo lmao
I'd pay 6 mana to Doomsday myself and my opponent lmao 🤣
@@laytonjr6601 I figured it would work like Yu-Gi-Oh where if the effect is relevant you would have to do it anyway. I guess that's a magic rule explained to Echo before this was filmed.
Honestly by the way he was talking it seemed he didnt understand a lot, but he somehow stumbled onto the right answer every single time. Pretty impressive.
fav pokemon players i'd love to see are probably azulgg, chip richie(together would be cool too since they have a podcast together) and andrew mahone
Funny that a Yu-Gi-Oh player can't read 16 words to see "or more" yet knows and understands entire novel length mechanics of Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
if you use roaming throne with phyrexian obliterator it is so funny
Oh wow that is cool
good old Obliterator.
in a creature vacuum this could be one of the strongest creatures ever made. (in its mana range)
but since there are probably 1000 answers to this card (100 different kill spells, 100 bounces, counters, pacifism, steals,... )...
well its just a creature with 0 protection..
Obliterator feels like a broken card when you’re bad (me) but feels like a card that isn’t as broken against people who aren’t bad (not me).
its one of those cards where if you can play it without worrying about the cost its pretty good some decks just cant deal with it easily.
Obliterator has been power crept pretty bad with Sheoldred. It was already an upgrade from Phyrexian Negator, which was a bonkers card in its time.
If Obliterator existed during Black Summer '96, there's a very real chance it would have been banned lol.
I think you were too helpful with some of the early cards but no one gets fable of the mirror breaker right! Way to go echo!
#Believer
Suggestion for a bait card for a future episode: One of the expansion hosers like Apocalypse Chime or City in a Bottle
You should bring a dude named Flex Daddy. He's a small pokemon creator but I really like his videos. He also recently won a regionals.
I think broken or banned is the least enjoyable mode for these
its pretty clear cut tho and this video was nice
I agree, it's just "How would this be broken" instead of "Is this seemingly good effect still good in practice?"
Its at least a way to use cards that really just seem good that people won't miss on and making a game with them.
This mode worked well for Yugioh so I wanted to try it for Magic
I expected the card that gains the effects of all cards in your grave. Yugioh players would find it utterly broken.
Scapeshift would be a fun green spell for this series.
I agree!
One of my friends plays Phyrexian Obliterator in pioneer in my LGS and I sideboard in Justice Strike against that card, it's super hilarious. Moral of this story, Obliterator is not banned AND not broken.
Have him look at cards from future sight and the original kamigawa flips
This was great, what a chill dude
I don't know many Pokemon TCG content creators but when I was into the Pokemon TCG, I watched a bunch of a content creator called Tricky Gym
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