Hybrid Turbo or Oem IS38
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Should you upgrade to a oem is38 turbo and run e85 or get a hybrid is20/is38 turbo? Here are some pros and cons of both.
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We all waiting for that dyno vid lol. Also there isn’t much about longevity of the fuel lines when running ethanol so we all have our fingers crossed for you since you’re kinda the only TH-cam Guinea pig
the ugly answer to this is that E85 tends to be harsh to a lot more than your fuel lines... Injectors, HPFP, LPFP all take a beating. seen quite a few HPFPs gummed up from E85
@@Smitleyjd Hence is why, if something wasent made for something from scratch & you wanna keep durability/relability: Use common sense & stay off it. Thats why im still Stage 1 on my GTI Clubsport. 380 hp / 470 tq in that is enough if you got the right tires: Goodyear F1 Supersport's in my case. Also ican get back to stock tune any second with PPC3 device i have from BSR here in Sweden. (Which i use in winter times)
The best GTI content out! you're the only one I see taking the time to explain and actually show the car in action. and you're fast!
Keep this kind of content up. I’m in the same boat but I am restricted to 91. Essentially shitty 91 on IS38 vs the standard vortex. Mostly highway driving very rarely race. Any race would be random pulls against someone on their way home from work like me. I’m leaning EQT IS38+.
I'm DDing the IS38 and trust me, it can get you in a lot of trouble in short order. Unless you're racing a lot dont bother going bigger. I went with FCP Euro for the lifetime warranty though.
IE has an OTS tune for the Garrett 2260 which is literally the best option over the IS38. I hav it but its also been proven to spool faster than both of these and offers the top end as well and ~450 hp. on a 91 tune i put out 404 WHP and 435 lbs/ft. I have a mk7 gti with basically all APR and IE parts + Garrett GT2260. + Garrett has been around for 60+ years. EQT is one guy in his basement.
@@cbnash8295The 2260 is not a good option over is38. It requires more supporting mods and that level of torque is a lil risky for a dd in these cars. Is38+ gonna be a more reliable daily setup overall. The turbo is a non issue when it comes to reliability, it’s the engine you gotta worry about.
Also IE tunes are known to bend rods and cause other issues with high torque on stock internals so watch for that.
Yesss sir another banger bro 🔥🤙
This is the best content you put out imo taught me so much man
Informational jewelcity, I like it
The exact debate I've been having all yr.... Full apr 2 , deserves a new turbo... great vid
Thanks for the information jewel. Given you’re running plenty of torque on your setup, did you find a noticeable benefit dropping down to a 17” wheel?
Thank you so much for the info I am going to be getting me a MK7.5 GOLF R can’t wait!!
Sheesh enjoy
Great timing for the video in my case. I think I'm going w/OEM IS38 & a Baun DP (goes w/other mods already completed). Mostly city driving on my end, so the really big turbo is not as useful for me. Looks like a lot of fun in Mexico, though. Great content. Very, very thankful for your wisdom. Please keep it up.
And the update on the your is38?
@roboticvenom1935 Spring/summer of 2024. Daughter heading off to college = less car funds. Am installing stainless brake lines in 2 weeks & swapped in better rear bushings w/control arms, so there's that.
@@jpchampine6992 makes sense! Just installed some bronze konig ampliforms after saving up for a while. I will be bolting on the EQT IS38 hybrid by late next year for sure though! 440HP here we come!
I live in cali and as far as I know the oem IS38 is the only one with a tune for a catted DP via integrated engineering. But I'm mostly on city streets anyways with occasionally long streets/freeways so that probably makes the most sense for me
Was debating this with my 17 A3 Quattro Premium Plus when I go through Eqt for tuning. Not confident with E85 for a long term daily driver and the car sees city and bumper to bumper highway traffic, so IS38 is for me. I will do the EQT + variant for stronger internals given oem IS38 reliability issues.
Other con of the IS38 is reliability. Speaking for the OEM IHI at least.
This is why the "+" variants exist. Which have more robust internals.
Another pro to add for the OEM IS38 (which would be a con for the hybrid) is that you don’t need a custom tune to use the OEM IS38 turbo. You need a custom tune for the hybrid.
IE has an OTS tune for the Garrett 2260 which is literally the best option over the IS38. I hav it but its also been proven to spool faster than both of these and offers the top end as well and ~450 hp. on a 91 tune i put out 404 WHP and 435 lbs/ft. I have a mk7 gti with basically all APR and IE parts + Garrett GT2260
@@cbnash8295 you upgraded any of the pumps?
Some folks tend to think EQT is a more reputable tuning company than IE. I have no personal experience but of the several I have read that do, that's the conclusion.
Here in Colorado we have a shop called berg performance and they say the is38 is having a high failure rate and they are using a vw tdi turbo with bigger internals and seeing better performance
Love the GTI content man, keep it up.
Also, what tires and size would you recommend for 400+whp?
depends on your wheels size but 200tw tires are always a good option for grip. For daily driver and quiet, you can try something a bit less aggressive than 200tw
What up bro I need help with my built where can I get a custom tune I wanna run a catless down pipe I got ie internals where can I get the turbo that you have
What turbo do you run? I want to go full E85 I live 5 minutes from work, but have to beat a friends stock viper.. A3 Quattro DSG
what about if you plan on tracking the car, is heat a huge issue with hybrid turbo's where I live it's really hot and humid. I'm stage 2 rn and I'm worried about the longevity of the is20
Great content bro. Thanks for the info!
How much power do you think your GTI is making now with the XL? And how is your motor holding together with that? At what power limit will one have to worry about internals bro?
Thanks! Keep up the great work!
It’s the tq that you have to worry about. Keeping it on the lower side helps keep the motor happy
@@JewelCity1 thanks. That makes tons of sense! Twisting forces do be twisting.
Bro giving out the cheat codes take notes 📝
I’m prob getting the new APR DTR6054
Have you raced a Gti or R mk7 with a garret GT2260s?
i know the 2260 has loss power vs the XL just wondering for my DD
thanks
Not yet
I'm new to your channel. Serious question wanting to learn. As with everything, there are always pros and cons. With how light the GTI is, power to weight ratio, and truly how unfair of an advantage you have on everyone in roll races, how come more people don't build GTI or Golf R's like you see people build other common platforms like Chargers, Challengers, Supras (MKIV or MKV), BMW M2/M3/M4, etc? Do you think there is a particular reason or simply just not educated enough in your platform? There is a guy on TH-cam who built a following and was smashing with his built GTI who sold it earlier this year and bought a 2023 Supra that he's now building. Curious to hear your experience and thoughts.
People don’t want hatchbacks or fwd so it’s easy for the golf to get overlooked
Most people do not like Volkswagen. Sheep especially.
There's generally a lot more headroom with RWD cars running 6cyl or 8cyl engines displacing another 50 to 100% larger to begin with. Yes they are a heavier vehicle but there's just more headroom with power.
I was hoping for more information on the hybrid IS20. By the power charts on EQT website, it looks like it stomps the OEM IS38 by a decent amount, while still offering a bit more low-rpm ramp up.
More info and first impressions here:
th-cam.com/video/UwdW6jYpi4s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=0lVL0IpTiTk5p2kB
@@JewelCity1 Thank you!
Car looks awesome! Can I ask what specs your wheels are? And are you running spacers?
18x8.5 no spacers
@@JewelCity1Thanks. They’re the Ampliforms? In ET43?
yes@@Jobrofosho
EQT has proven its self time and time again along the mqb platform.
Shame they won’t respond with actual data on that blaze intake. Everyone seems to be avoiding it now. Shame
@@SheekTresSesenta can you explain more? I'm out of the loop, don't have my mk7 anymore
There's various companies out there offering intake systems that are actually rated via chart for increased flow. I'd go with one that is proven to offer measurable benefit and will work with your chosen turbo inlet plumbing.
8:14 nice stance. What have you got for lowering springs?
Vwr, here’s the vid th-cam.com/video/tPSewrqEXmw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=HwfTLbYg364XX0ah
What wheels are these bro?
Is the OEM IS38 a direct bolt on for the GTI? Like do you just bolt it up and you don't need extra parts to make it work?
No extra parts, it’s the same fitment as stock turbo but a tad bigger. a few extra steps like lubing the the turbo before first start is necessary.
The only concern for me is if i get the xL and tune on 93 is that the ignition knock would be increaased due to higher power and less protection vs e85 (i live in a fairly hot area)
Valid point, there are some who use water/meth to help IATs
@@JewelCity1 don’t do water meth without a tune, you lose power, I ran a tenth less on the track using a 500cc, now I’m tuning with Matt on a 1000cc and the difference is big, not as big as E85, however for just a hpfp you can be just below 490hp.
Poyo, just get a good intercooler, I am in Florida running a standard with a crappy Unitronic intercooler and the car feels solid, my max average KR is -.75 on hard pulls at 31lbs, just make sure the gas, plugs and coils are always on point.
@@ForRJ with the stock location or front mount? What about fueling? All I have in upgraded fueling is hpfp thinking of replacing injectors and upgrading lpfp
@@poyo3582 stock location is the best option, have a friend with the ARM and my iats are much lower.
Any thoughts on a GT2260S big turbo... and IE tune?
I don't wanna mess with Ethanol... I just wanna run 93 Octane... I don't race, combined city and highway driving... Just looking for more power for my 2015 APR Stage I GTI, it's a DSG.
How do I know if I should re use my wastegate actuator or get a new one? How did I know if it’s good?
If it was working before the turbo swap it should still be good.
@@JewelCity1 how do I check to see if it’s working good or not and how well it’s working?
How bad is your fuel average mpg now with everything done to the car e85 and the xl thank you in advance.
About the same as stock turbo/e85, unless it’s full throttle
@@JewelCity1 not bad at all, and stock turbo full e85 on a full tank would you touch the 290-300 miles, im on 93 and getting 340-360 miles on a full tank stock is20 tho.
@@roymartinez25 just about. A good portion depends on driving habits and if you’re commute has a lot of city/hills.
@@JewelCity1 thanks for the reply, and keep up the good work with those videos be safe.
Random question but will a low battery affect the steering. Making it feel delayed and heavier?
Did you get new tires? I’d do a physical check up front first. You could also get your battery checked for free at a local parts store like autozone.
@@JewelCity1 I did. I put 235 on it for the first time. Iv been running 225 prior
Power steering is electric (and one of the biggest electrical draws, if not the biggest) so your battery will definitely affect it
Also if you're running the performance pack GTI, the infotainment system offers functional modes (steering, throttle response, E-LSD firmness).
What year is ur golf bro? And what years are the mk 7.5
2019. Mk7.5 is from 18-21
@@JewelCity1 how many miles would you say is too many miles to buy a used mk7.5
With all this power DSG or 6 speed? Can the DSG hold this much? How much HP can DSG really hold?
DSG can easily hold it, but a tcu tune is recommended. 6mt vs dsg comes down to preference
@@JewelCity1 appreciate the response I was just worried that DSG wouldn’t be able to hold 500+hp. Anyway just picked up 2023 40th anniversary. There was 2 in the lot one DSG and one 6 speed. I went off and chose DSG. Now time to MOD
@@hesriaa DSG tune is a must once Stage 2, or it will eat those clutch pads quick.
Do you still have oem rotors? Are they the PP?
In this vid rotors were oem and yes PP Calipers/brakes
@@JewelCity1 what you running now?
is the EQT IS38+ turbo a hyrbid? or is that OEM?
IS20: OEM GTI
IS38: OEM Golf R
Vortex: IS20 hybrid
Vortex XL: IS38 hybrid
Bro which is best for 1/4 mile racing
Do the hybrid
What do you think about IE’s stage 3 GT2260s turbo?
I own it and it's a little better then a is38 but nothing too spectacular. if you're leaning towards garrett get the g25-660 powermax stage 2. It would require fueling mods tho.
It’s a hybrid version of the VA wrx’s turbo. I promise you, they aren’t built well. The vortex isn’t a high end invincible turbo either but it’s a very very solid option. It’s not a great turbo but she is a good turbo. And what’s cool, in the future you can go with the XL mod on the hot side.
That gt22 ain’t it. And the compatibility issues are pretty obvious bro. Something that little didn’t need to be a twin scroll. Especially considering it bolts right on the head without a manifold. But the twin scroll was necessary due to the choices made in design. It was a hair too laggy for the amount of cfm it could pump at max
Thanks for the heads up I was think about that turbo, I’m just waiting for the true flex fuel kit from IE then go bigger turbo
@@imgizmo4706 if U want a good turbo but don’t want to give it 5% more throttle while pushing it in the city. Check out the vortex and a built is38, such as eqt’s is38+. If you’re ok with giving it 5% more throttle in the city due to the extra lag (I hate calling it lag cuz it really isn’t noticeable but whatever) plz consider the vortex xl and dtr6054. The new found top end is absolutely spectacular. Plus in wide open throttle, all that matters is 5k rpm to redline. Everything before that doesn’t matter in a race. This is where the vortex xl and dtr6054 truly shine!
@@SheekTresSesentathe dtr6054 max effort makes 480whp lol it’s not the move it’s trash had it for 3 months before I sold it spooled like a gtx3076 with way less performance out of it 🤣