Razor Ruddock vs Lennox Lewis

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  • @DougieFresh13
    @DougieFresh13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    These HBO uploads are gold.

    • @JazzFunk22
      @JazzFunk22 ปีที่แล้ว

      😱....☠💀.....😴🤛🏾....👍🏾

  • @daveday9773
    @daveday9773 5 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I was at the fight and still to this day the best sporting event I've been to. Lennox truly won over the undecided fans that night. I remember Frank Bruno was ringside and got a big cheer pre fight but the reception Lennox got was something I will never forget. We had the cheapest tickets way up in the gods and cost me £50 which was a fair whack of dough. For me Lennox is a top 10 heavy of all time. Top 5 possibly. Thanks for the memories

    • @teaganprobert9279
      @teaganprobert9279 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lewis was class that night my favourite heavyweight of all time

    • @david-pb4bi
      @david-pb4bi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@teaganprobert9279 on his day would put Lewis best heavy wieght ever

    • @marymary83436
      @marymary83436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hes deffently is a giid argument for best heavyweight off all time.he beat everyone who was champ or the best number 1 and every time people thought this was the next big thing Lennox Lewis destroyed them and one if the best eras of heavyweights on top if that.

    • @8RuTu5
      @8RuTu5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For sure a top 10 all time for sure! Might be a top 5. Avenged both losses and was just a smart, technically proficient, intelligent heavyweight boxer.

    • @danielreynolds8357
      @danielreynolds8357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's just a crying shame though Lennox wasn't fighting Iron, Mike Tyson at his imperious best that night because iron, Mike Tyson would of hammered the shite out of Lennox. Honestly he would of done.!!

  • @Art_official_intelligenc3
    @Art_official_intelligenc3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This makes me feel all warm and funny inside.. missing the good ol days.

  • @clintbeastwood3797
    @clintbeastwood3797 7 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    What a great opening with the crypt keeper! HBO used to rock.

    • @CMT12875
      @CMT12875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I remember watching this live on Halloween night in ‘92. I thought Ruddock was gonna blast Lewis but the exact opposite happened

    • @schweitzer-man6227
      @schweitzer-man6227 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I wish they did an opening like this with the cast of The Sopranos

    • @SJ-ty5rw
      @SJ-ty5rw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CMT12875 I remember also that Halloween night . First time i had ever heard of or saw Lennox fight . Ruddock was not a smart fighter , the way he leaned and tilted his head down .. many times . Lewis saw the opening and caught him . From then on it was trouble after that first shot .

    • @allisonrocke6975
      @allisonrocke6975 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah what a great opening that,s just what the popular sport of boxing needed and still need,s because a puppet commodities like the krypt keeper hyping up a big heavyweight showdown like lewis vs ruddock

  • @NiTeMaRe310
    @NiTeMaRe310 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Man do I miss HBO boxing

  • @MatewanMassacre
    @MatewanMassacre ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Riddick Bowe remembered that Lewis right hand, that hit him, during the Super Heavyweight Gold Medal main event, in the 1988 Seoul Olympics.
    He, wanted no part of fighting Lennox Lewis as a professional.
    Lewis was, probably, the hardest punching heavyweight that I remember ... and I've been an avid fan since the early 1980s.

  • @mouloudo
    @mouloudo 10 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    lol Foreman" that knock out changes NOTHING!" 10 secs later Ruddock hits the canvas

    • @mrkoolkevin
      @mrkoolkevin 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      mouloudo Yeah, one of the worst of many, many ridiculous Foreman moments!

    • @glynhall5407
      @glynhall5407 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I've watched most of the Lewos fights , Foreman was always negative.
      He writes him off and then something like this happens.
      Lennox has a lucky charm

    • @rosathechamp2452
      @rosathechamp2452 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      glyn Hall Foreman was just giving Lewis constructive criticism. Lewis himself said that he appreciated big George calling him out in the commentary, he used it to make him a better fighter.

    • @MrCrystalcranium
      @MrCrystalcranium 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love Big George as a fighter and a person but he was bizarre as a ringside color man. He said some strange things and and eventually infuriated Larry Merchant with his commentary. In a fight with Oscar De La Hoya, Larry challenged Foreman with angrily delivered and curt challenges like "Why?" and "So what". That was about the end for Foreman on this network. The single most head shaking comment he ever made was after a jab had knocked a fighter's head back, he commented "You don't wanna take those kinna punches...they make all da juice squirt outta yo neck!". If anyone can tell me what that means I would appreciate it!

    • @drumtum
      @drumtum 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@MrCrystalcranium Thats just silly. Foreman was very well respected as a commentator. If we talk about this fight between Lewis and Ruddock, just listen to what he said after the fight. He said the same thing when Sky interviewed him before the fight. Ruddock could knock out tired boxers but was overrated at seeking out knockouts, and thats it. Patterson trained him to box. How many jabs did he threw in the first round? Was Big George wrong? No, spot on.

  • @timhoward5
    @timhoward5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    *LL defeated RR. And, George Foreman was right about Lennox Lewis whole career prediction. He knew what he was talking about.*

  • @regworld1167
    @regworld1167 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    49:15 George Foreman predicted here that Riddick Bowe will be scared of fighting Lewis after watching this fight and he was right!!!

  • @fitzgeraldanthony9333
    @fitzgeraldanthony9333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Lewis is definitely in the top 5 of all time heavyweight Champions and heavyweights period. He came to America and fought the best available competition during a strong era for heavyweights. He also avenged his only two losses in emphatic fashion. To add to this he finished on top. No ill fated comebacks or embarrassing losses when clearly past his prime like several who came before him. He was a very impressive boxer puncher for such a big man and surprisingly mobile with a formidable jab and a killer right hand. He knew how to fight tall and was probably the best outside fighter I've ever seen. He never took serious heavy punishment and almost always controlled the pace of the action in the ring without compromising his strategic planning.
    I can see Lennox beating the guys Ali beat with relative ease and beating the fighters Ali struggled with such as Norton and Frazier. Lewis had an impressive career and it stacks up well with the other legends when looking at the totality of his career.

    • @ZBOXINGTALK
      @ZBOXINGTALK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sonny Liston would beat Lennox Lewis imo.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ZBOXINGTALK yeah Lewis didn't fight a top HW in his prime and the one he did fight was beating him that was vitali but lewis got lucky on that one

    • @Bobby.2000
      @Bobby.2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@theinformationbomber7102 other than Ali and Holyfield, who did?

    • @Bobby.2000
      @Bobby.2000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZBOXINGTALK he has a punchers chance at best. Like Rahman and McCall. But Lewis would have either kod him in the first fight or the rematch. My money is on in the first fight. Sonny never had his chin seriously tested. But was very ko-able.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bobby.2000 what ali and holyfield
      One is a media hype and the other a proven PEDs abusing cheater and a shame to boxing

  • @PhflyDan1
    @PhflyDan1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Blimey!
    25 years ago next month!
    I remember being up til what o clock in the morning with my dad to watch Lennox teleport Ruddock to oblivion with them rights & lefts! Awesome..

  • @marymary83436
    @marymary83436 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is when everyone realized he also has tremendous power and not just a slick boxer.the era of the best heavyweights begins.

  • @capefear2159
    @capefear2159 10 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Lewis is an excellent fighter.

    • @capefear2159
      @capefear2159 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lewis is the king of boxing.

    • @R.Williamss
      @R.Williamss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      cape fear he really not

    • @JohnJohnson-et8lz
      @JohnJohnson-et8lz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ps484 truth Tyson was nothing because when he fought quality he lost...Lennox is the best ever

    • @geirjohansen7375
      @geirjohansen7375 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JohnJohnson-et8lz true

  • @chestercopperpot729
    @chestercopperpot729 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Tales from the Ring thing really made my day.

  • @TheOCTAVIUS72
    @TheOCTAVIUS72 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Lewis was a HELL of a fighter. He DESTROYED Ruddock. Lewis is arguably one of the top ten great heavyweight champions of all time. In my opinion he is the one who ushered in the start of the giants in the heavyweight division before the Klitschkos came on the scene. Truly an excellent fighter. And a gentlemen. God Bless you Champ!!!!

    • @fitzgeraldanthony9333
      @fitzgeraldanthony9333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Excellent comment sir and one I totally agree with on every level. In fact I have Lennox in the top 5 of all time heavyweight champions. He was that good.

    • @Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
      @Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@fitzgeraldanthony9333 Yeah his resume is fantastic

    • @FirstLast-yc9lq
      @FirstLast-yc9lq 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- It's really not when you break it down.

    • @Bullet-Tooth-Tony-
      @Bullet-Tooth-Tony- 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@FirstLast-yc9lq I disagree

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- Its not about if you disagree, Hes plain wrong and your right. Beat every man he faced, best every top contender and fellow champion who didnt duck him. He beat the best on his generation and the generation after

  • @AnthonyJ74
    @AnthonyJ74 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Ruddock was favored heavily to blast through Lewis, who looked very limited and 'stiff' throughout his career up to that point. But Lewis surprised the hell out of most people (including me).

    • @presence5426
      @presence5426 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too. After Ruddock's wars with Tyson, who expected him to get blasted out by Lewis? Just goes to show that Tyson's skills had eroded some, and in fact Ruddock was vulnerable to speed. There was another wild card tho- Floyd Patterson. They were trying to change Ruddock's style. Not sure that ever worked, and it might have made Ruddock more vulnerable.

    • @timhoward5
      @timhoward5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      ​@@presence5426 No, Lewis was just a legend. Not your ordinary fighter.

    • @presence5426
      @presence5426 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@timhoward5 Yeah, check out Lewis' legendary performance vs. Levi Billups.

    • @967mviews2
      @967mviews2 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @anthony "limited and stiff" then clearly you hadn't seen any of Lewis' fights prior to this fight.

  • @___Will__Ferrell
    @___Will__Ferrell 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Too bad this fight is on a bad VHS tape because this is an incredible fight with two warriors. But the bad quality of the VHS messes up the experience of watching this. But hats off to Sterling for uploading this fight !!

  • @therealDJG
    @therealDJG ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It’s kinda crazy to think about how George Foreman was not only on his comeback for the title, but was doubling as a commentator for HBO.

  • @bakerjohnny91
    @bakerjohnny91 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Donovan Ruddock just lost to Tyson twice, which greatly affected his performance

  • @TheDude69
    @TheDude69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is awesome man! Love me some nostalgia

  • @DazzasBoxing
    @DazzasBoxing 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Would have been great to see Holyfield come to England to fight Lennox. Interesting in the intros HBO saying the fight game is in the decline. How things change, boxing in England healthier than the US now with loads of money and fighters and big shows.

  • @raulrodriguez2311
    @raulrodriguez2311 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Imagine if Lennox Lewis was this aggressive in every fight he had. Lewis would've been scary if he fought to destroy!

    • @MLL2704
      @MLL2704 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Look at his fight with Golata. A dialed-in Lewis, with intent to just go in there and get rid of the guy, was a force

  • @brandonthomas9288
    @brandonthomas9288 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    HBO Boxing after Dark was usually a big deal at home when I was growing up. Now they charge top $ for fights that people don't even care about on ppv? Pretty sad honestly.

  • @jasonbloom2144
    @jasonbloom2144 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    George’s commentary in fight was priceless. 100% wrong but priceless

  • @aaronbst
    @aaronbst 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At the start of round 2:
    “George, did that knockdown change the fight?”
    “Not at all, Ruddock’s been down early before.”
    Within moments Ruddock goes down twice and is counted out.

  • @1playsonicguy2
    @1playsonicguy2 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excuse me do you have more of these? This is so awesome. Thank you so much for uploading them they really help me. keep up the good work for it .Subscribed :)

    • @Kopend09
      @Kopend09 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      +1

  • @jeremypearson6852
    @jeremypearson6852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very prophetic words at the end of the fight. “Lewis can be a great champion”.

  • @StuartTheunissen
    @StuartTheunissen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Lewis hit Ruddock harder in 2rds than Tyson hit him in 19rds of Boxing

    • @bakerjohnny91
      @bakerjohnny91 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This doesn't prove anything. Lennox also lost twice to guys inferior to Tyson, and fainted both times

    • @StuartTheunissen
      @StuartTheunissen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bakerjohnny91 Can't see that I was trying to prove anything beyond the obvious fact that Tyson struggled with Ruddock through 2 difficult bouts while Lewis simply obliterated him. No one was expecting that, Ruddock came in as the favorite based on those performances vs Mike.

    • @yellowhouseproductions2959
      @yellowhouseproductions2959 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      19 rounds with Tyson surely damaged Ruddock badly. Its why he was never as good as he was against Tyson after that

    • @StuartTheunissen
      @StuartTheunissen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yellowhouseproductions2959 Keep telling yourself that. On the other hand, maybe Razor wasn't that sharp to begin with, Tyson made him look good.

    • @timhoward5
      @timhoward5 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      But, he and everyone else under estimated Lennox Lewis.

  • @horsehide3039
    @horsehide3039 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A period piece for sure, but a little editing might help the aggravation factor. With respect, for putting this up.

  • @danielsantana540
    @danielsantana540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MIckey Duff was a polish born Promoter .June 7 1929 - march 22 2014

  • @Sean-lv6fx
    @Sean-lv6fx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lewis loved that overhand right when his opponent went low, he caught Golota with exactly the same shot. Ruddock kept going low throughout the fight, big mistake against Lewis.

  • @caninekingpin7442
    @caninekingpin7442 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These belong in the super heavyweight class.

  • @Guinea54
    @Guinea54 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    lewis made this look easy... but it makes me wonder if the fights with tyson destroyed Ruddock.. The punishment he took from tyson in both fights i think fucked him for the rest of his career

  • @Kaiserbill99
    @Kaiserbill99 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I get tired of all the US fight fans claiming every major win by any fighter outside the US is because the loser was past his prime, or finished by a career ending fight. In this case Ruddock (a Canadian) was finished because of the two defeats by Tyson.
    Every major win by Lennox Lewis can be explained away in this manner. Tyson was past his prime, Holyfield was past his prime, Ruddock was shot, he would have lost to Bowe.
    The reality is that Holyfield was a great fighter who was a blown up Cruiserweight and could not compete physically with Lewis; Bowe was a good fighter that ran a country mile to avoid having to fight Lewis; and Tyson was a "flat track bully" who beat no-one of consequence and is probably the most over hyped fighter in history and not in Lewis's zip code.

    • @presence5426
      @presence5426 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canadian citizen maybe, but Jamaican really. And you underrate Tyson.

    • @Kaiserbill99
      @Kaiserbill99 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@presence5426 Canadian citizen or Jamaican? We could be talking about Ruddock or Lewis!!!!
      I do not underrate Tyson. He is the 4th best fighter of his era behind Lewis, Holyfield, and Bowe. Some would have you think he was the greatest of all time.

  • @cjns5253
    @cjns5253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Razor was never the same after them 2 Tyson wars they were brutal

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Damn true I agree so much with that
      Those were some gruesome and very brutal rounds

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theinformationbomber7102 Rozor was fine. he won the Canadian championship at 50

    • @yellowhouseproductions2959
      @yellowhouseproductions2959 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@dylanburston7453 Canadian championship?? that means zero

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@yellowhouseproductions2959 Thats the most American response ever. Only country that doesn't respect their national title.

  • @Romamb
    @Romamb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Foreman talked garbage in fight after fight. Leonard was much better to listen to.

  • @aminrahman6906
    @aminrahman6906 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ruddock was never the same after tyson wars.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah I agree

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      HAHHAH. He went on to win the WBO belt and won the Canadian belt when he was 50. You just cant handle the fact lennox smashed ruddock in 4 minutes and mike needed a corrupt ref and 17 rounds to get the job done

    • @owencampbell8799
      @owencampbell8799 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tyson and ruddock never the same after the 2 fights.

  • @131313manbearpig
    @131313manbearpig 10 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    THIS IS Y BOWE REFUSED TO FIGHT LENNOX THAT BUM!!!!

    • @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1
      @WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      says the little bitch hiding behind a computer screen.

    • @jamesmcwright9164
      @jamesmcwright9164 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Bowe Ducking Harder Than Floyd

    • @factoverfiction4699
      @factoverfiction4699 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      131313manbearpig Actually Lewis ducked Bowe.

    • @jamesmcwright9164
      @jamesmcwright9164 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      FactOverFiction​ bowe threw the wbc belt away what is that called?? ,ducking

    • @factoverfiction4699
      @factoverfiction4699 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Man, I don't wanna get into this cuz everyone's a genius and has their mind up so I'm wasting my time typing this. But Bowe did not duck Lewis. He was in talks to fight Lewis in 93 but Lewis wanted too much and his manager was playing games so, naturally, negotiations broke down and he opted for Michael Dokes then Ray Mercer, so long as Mercer beat journeyman Jesse Ferguson. Well, Bowe KOd Dokes but Mercer lost to Ferguson. The WBA told Bowe he would be stripped of his belt if he fought Ferguson instead of Lewis. Bowe didn't want to be bullied by anyone so, instead of being stripped he held a press conference and dumped the belt in the garbage. He quit before he could be fired. He was metaphorically saying "this belt and the WBA are garbage to me, they don't mean anything." Somehow, over time, Internet trolls interpreted that as Bowe being scared ergo Bowe's sour rep today.

  • @chrisgonz9963
    @chrisgonz9963 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was to me Lennox Lewis s Coming Out Party and he did in Spectacular Fashion Destroying Razor Ruddock in 2 I thought Lennox Lewis overall was a Great Fighter Got The Credit he Deserves HOF in Canastota NY

  • @___Will__Ferrell
    @___Will__Ferrell 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lennox was the man that made Tyson want to almost retire. Tyson was NEVER the same after he fought Lennox. Tyson said that Lennox hit him the hardest he was ever hit. Lennox is a true warrior champion. I'm an American saying that. Respect to England for having this champ !

  • @alexduran2476
    @alexduran2476 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lennox's ring IQ was one of the best in boxing. Cool, calm, and collected.

    • @AnthonyRobinson-dc3pq
      @AnthonyRobinson-dc3pq ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lennox Lewis is overrated he never beat a legendary heavy weight like Ali did ☝️

  • @HitmanConan
    @HitmanConan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is so much to say about this video. First, what a knockout by Lennox. Just beautiful. What a crazy crowd.
    And the intro from the Tales from The Crypt guy. That thing scared the hell out of me when it was a kid.
    And that preview for Bowe Holyfield is amazing.

  • @AnthonyJ74
    @AnthonyJ74 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I wonder if Riddick Bowe would have dumped his belt into the trash bin if Ruddock had won this fight instead of Lewis. Was Bowe afraid of only Lewis, or Ruddock as well?

    • @MyCesarman
      @MyCesarman 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +9th Marquess how could bowe be so big but scarred

    • @raulrodriguez2311
      @raulrodriguez2311 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      AnthonyJ74. Bowe would've fought Razor Ruddock. But he was afraid of Lennox Lewis.

    • @raulrodriguez2311
      @raulrodriguez2311 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Jose Cedillo.. View and Tyson were cowards! They only fought men they were comfortable with. Tyson ducked George Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Evander Holyfield back in 91', Tyson even side stepped "Merciless" Ray Mercer. Riddick Bowe ducked Lennox Lewis!

    • @aurelienmvg651
      @aurelienmvg651 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@raulrodriguez2311 Tyson never ducked Holyfield he should fought him in 1991 November 8th Plus It's Holyfield who fight Foreman instead of Tyson more early Tyson never ducked Foreman he said he want to fight him in many interview
      Everybody say that Tyson ducked Lewis by paying him 4 millions dollars but nobody has a proof of that nobody and if you want to know Lewis ducked a rematch with VITALI.K When Vitali asked him a rematch he said yes but the Lewis's team shouted noooooo noooo nooooo because in a rematch Vitali would be the winner eveeybody knew it Plus he ducked a title shot with Chris Byrd go check on Wikipedia then Foreman never wanted Ruddock like Evander

    • @bb-gc2tx
      @bb-gc2tx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Numerous people have told the same story about when king told Tyson he was going to setup fight between him and foreman they all confirmed the same quote Tyson said. "I'm not fighting that guy he's a fucking animal" cups and Tyson would watch foreman fights when he was a kid and cus told mike you never wanna fight an animal like foreman. Foreman would of kod Tyson in 3 rounds. Iron mike was tailor made for big George. Foreman had more heart and more of a chin to beat mike if it turned into a war/slugfest

  • @Beatbyawhiteboy
    @Beatbyawhiteboy 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful over-hand right ( 1st Knockdown )

  • @eric101online
    @eric101online 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you yet again

  • @stanmoney8470
    @stanmoney8470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So who did Lennox he fight next ? He never fought Bowe.

    • @GDavis49
      @GDavis49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He fought Tony Tucker after Ruddock

  • @danielsantana540
    @danielsantana540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The macintosh computer used here was a powerbook released in 1991. .in 1989 the macintosh portable was released

  • @sandyacombs
    @sandyacombs 9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Ruddick is one of the best victories Tyson has under his belt......Hmmm

    • @rubenaerts7284
      @rubenaerts7284 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sandy Combs Like Patterson said: He had to many bad habits. I believe he had talent, but he was to sloppy, and you can't afford that against the heavy bombs of fighters like Tyson, Lewis or Morrison. He even got clipped by a stepping stone once.

    • @Inncognito777
      @Inncognito777 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Tyson took a lot of fight out of him with those beatings, breaking his ribs and his jaw. He wasn't the same fresh, confident fighter.

    • @Inncognito777
      @Inncognito777 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** You know your history : )

    • @rubenaerts7284
      @rubenaerts7284 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      TheTruthAboutFloyd When the present is so poor, a boxingfan has to remember the past ;-)

    • @Inncognito777
      @Inncognito777 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ***** Lol

  • @listonheinz9103
    @listonheinz9103 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    25 years ago today. Time flies.

  • @GiuseppeCrupi-m8b
    @GiuseppeCrupi-m8b 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Brilliant upload @stirlingwainscroft do you have any more uploads on a regular basis please

  • @joecool2125
    @joecool2125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ruddock was crazy to go toe to toe with Lewis. At this time, Lewis was about to elevate himself into the great that he was. Ruddock should’ve fought him like he did Tyson, staying close and keeping him tied up.

  • @mickwoodfield9980
    @mickwoodfield9980 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Actually Lennox Lewis is Canadian as well

  • @JohnJohnson-et8lz
    @JohnJohnson-et8lz 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Lennox 'Legend' Lewis is the GOAT

    • @bobbyjohnson9409
      @bobbyjohnson9409 ปีที่แล้ว

      No he really isn’t

    • @GDavis49
      @GDavis49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not even close to being the goat

  • @ciararespect4296
    @ciararespect4296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    -29:18 George how will that change the fight. Not at all 😂.
    Second later ruddock on his backside. George you're fired 😂

  • @jdarden2002
    @jdarden2002 ปีที่แล้ว

    Razor Ruddock is the co host on the MTV show RIDICULOUSNESS. Lol😂

  • @JWBabaYaga
    @JWBabaYaga 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Beautiful win by Lennox Lewis!

  • @bobbyhulll8737
    @bobbyhulll8737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ruddock beat Lewis when they were kids for the Canadian Junior boxing championship

  • @thewarroom3117
    @thewarroom3117 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    that vhs is quality lol when goes fuzzy press first foward and hope it works itself out

  • @chrisgonz9963
    @chrisgonz9963 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I miss HBO The Best in Boxing and I thought Lennox Lewis was a great fighter did not get enough credit Emmanuel Steward after I also thought made Lennox Lewis into a Greater Better Fighter The HOF Trainer and Lennox Lewis is Also a HOF Deservedly So.

  • @ReyLeichtle-w8m
    @ReyLeichtle-w8m 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lewis' right hand was nasty as f*ck

  • @befairmonk5988
    @befairmonk5988 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's the straight left KOed Ruddock. The punch he did not see.

  • @chrishearfield234
    @chrishearfield234 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ruddock lost with dignity. Deontay Wilder should watch and learn

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      at least wilder stood for 7 rounds

    • @inflatablepeas6649
      @inflatablepeas6649 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theinformationbomber7102 wilder wouldn’t have lasted 3 against Lennox

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@inflatablepeas6649 he would have ended up like michael grant against lennox lewis

    • @antonioarias9078
      @antonioarias9078 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theinformationbomber7102 I don't think Wilder would lasted with Ruddock

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@antonioarias9078 yeah Ruddock was a beast too

  • @geraldmcclellan7564
    @geraldmcclellan7564 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Since both fighters are from Jamaica they should had did something to recognize that Country 🤔🍍🍉🍌🍒

  • @UncleTermite
    @UncleTermite 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    One of the most anticipated fights I remember,rushing out of my dishwashing job late at night to catch this Halloween special...to bad Tyson beat Ruddock real bad,i don't think he was the same fighter may have turned out different?But Lennox one of the best ever...Ruddock has an amateur win over Lewis and gave holmes hell as a sparring partner.He was disliked so much at one time his manager Chuvalo wanted Tyson to win!

    • @rufuszufall5753
      @rufuszufall5753 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Lewis hit him right on the ear drum.no way to recover from that.a good punch there and everything start spinning sometimes for hours

    • @UncleTermite
      @UncleTermite 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      rufus Zufall yea would have liked to see rematch,though I think Ruddock was finished after 2 brutal Tyson fights,despite looking good after with Jackson who didn't fight at all,despite what some morons posting on this vid THINKS!

    • @ReservoirPunk
      @ReservoirPunk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ruddock was my favourite HW back in the day until he met Tyson, my other favourite and got his ass handed to him, but that rematch with Tyson was a HELL of a bout, it won Ring Magazines "Fight of the year" if my memory serves me correctly. Ruddock was an absolute warrior through and through. Mike Tyson broke his jaw in the 7th or 8th round and he didn't even flinch! Kept battling on all the way til the end. Also one of the best left hooks/uppercuts i've EVER seen. You're right though, he was never the same after those 2 losses to Mike, but he was an awesome fighter and a great contender in his day. I would suggest the Ruddock vs Dokes fight, absolutely DEVASTATING knock out.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ReservoirPunk yeah ruddock was a fierce puncher but lacked technical skills to beat the top HWs at that time and also he got a near peak Prime Tyson and that's a tough hot plate for anyone to take care of
      Those fights with Tyson were just legendary

  • @johnholmesinchesahead342
    @johnholmesinchesahead342 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Such a shame - Ruddock could have done the world a favour. Canada produced both Fighters and should stand down.

  • @reignman4529
    @reignman4529 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    MAN! the tracking is driving me crazy!!

    • @GDavis49
      @GDavis49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The beauty of vhs tapes 😉

  • @BlazeOfGlory742
    @BlazeOfGlory742 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lennox was awesome.

  • @inflatablepeas6649
    @inflatablepeas6649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Styles make fights: razor isn’t washed up. Stylistically his approach had to b different. He was fighting under a new trainer n also a 6’5” Lewis n not a 5’11” Tyson. Through the amateur bout n sparring Lennox earned respect. Versus Tyson Razor, wrong or not, was really trying to prove something n show A) Tyson was hype 2) he was the bigger man

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tyson wasn't hype Tyson whooped 2 guys who had ass whooped ali that shows you how good he really was

    • @chrisgrudge6964
      @chrisgrudge6964 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Come on lol, Ali was a million years old when he lost to those guys

  • @thespy7795
    @thespy7795 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is PRIME Lennox Lewis. If he had fought Tyson during this period, Lewis would have knocked him out in 3 rounds! Guaranteed.

    • @presence5426
      @presence5426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice performance for sure. But Lewis seemed to get even better under Emmanuel Steward.

    • @Ehrle6969
      @Ehrle6969 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tyson destroys lel

  • @vnonkwinn6233
    @vnonkwinn6233 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That 1st knock down gave ruddock brain damage

  • @inflatablepeas6649
    @inflatablepeas6649 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lennox is size, speed, power, precision n accursaucy

  • @jdarden2002
    @jdarden2002 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Foreman predicted Lennox Lewis would be a long term champion on this night and he was right.

    • @lh5717
      @lh5717 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Foreman knows boxing 😊

  • @daboxingscholar
    @daboxingscholar ปีที่แล้ว +1

    17:51 floyd looking like emanuel steward

  • @BarryAce
    @BarryAce 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember this, it was 30 years ago on Halloween. Friday the 13th Part 3 was on before this

  • @goldiemackentosh9788
    @goldiemackentosh9788 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The cryp keeper had bars 😂😂😂😂

  • @bullfranthrow
    @bullfranthrow 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's funny how both fighters could claim each others national anthem

    • @-The-Darkside
      @-The-Darkside 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +bullfranthrow How could Ruddock claim the UK national Anthem?

    • @bullfranthrow
      @bullfranthrow 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Oscar ZetaAcosta Because when he was born Jamaica was a British colony. They used the British flag and national anthem. So he was actually a British citizen before Jamaica became independent.

    • @KingdomOfBoxing
      @KingdomOfBoxing 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      bullfranthrow well the true brit won lol

    • @-The-Darkside
      @-The-Darkside 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      bullfranthrow never knew that cheers

  • @kickoutpodcast8436
    @kickoutpodcast8436 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a destruction Lewis it was sad that people thought razor was better than Lewis at that time Lewis was a Olympic gold medalists from Canada and no one really gave Lennox Lewis the respect he deserves

  • @MattHalpain
    @MattHalpain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lennox is such a gentleman and good sport. Lennox outclassed Holyfield, and Holyfield outclassed Tyson.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      holyfield outclassed Tyson by cheating that doesn't count as legit
      Tyson did Justice to him in the rematch

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theinformationbomber7102 What, did he cheat by caving his face in with his fists? And what justice, holyfeild would have a couple of hours of surgury for the ear, Mike was suspended for years. manchild

    • @ARR409
      @ARR409 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@theinformationbomber7102 And Lennox did Justin to Tyson by almost murdering him in their fight.

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ARR409 lewis dodged Tyson in his prime and we all know that

  • @STEJTHEGREATEST
    @STEJTHEGREATEST 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    THIS PROVES THAT LEWIS HAD SURPASSED TYSON BY LATE 1992!!!!!!!

    • @aftrdrk7263
      @aftrdrk7263 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I doubt it

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hell naah

    • @STEJTHEGREATEST
      @STEJTHEGREATEST 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@aftrdrk7263 Tyson had trouble beating Ruddock, whereas Lennox beat him in two rounds!!!

    • @Ehrle6969
      @Ehrle6969 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@STEJTHEGREATEST Bruno beat almost lewis and tyson destroyed him with ease lel. Also lewis lost to tysons punching bag his title

    • @GDavis49
      @GDavis49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tyson was in jail in 1992

  • @pretorious700
    @pretorious700 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fight begins @ 29:27

  • @RobertJBarnes
    @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Some Tyson fanboys have said, well after the fact, that Tyson wrecked Razor. Meaning, Lewis fought a shot version - utter nonsense. History proves them wrong. Razor, with his new trainer, Floyd Patterson, had two fights after Tyson before this fight with Lewis. Both wins were by knockouts. In Razor's last fight before this, he looked his very best fighting against an undefeated knockout artist Phillip Jackson. Ruddock finally started to use his jab as Floyd Patterson was imploring him to do. Jackson was 25-0 with 23 knockouts and Ruddock knocked him out in 4 rounds. The Tyson myth had most people thinking Ruddick was a sure thing . . . little did they know. Lewis was a spectacular fighter who was spectacularly ducked. (Boxing needed a Dana White to stop all that ducking nonsense.)

    • @UncleTermite
      @UncleTermite 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      "POPSCICLE"...lol

    • @RobertJBarnes
      @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Will, you are obsessing on me. Trailing me around like a little lost puppy ...

    • @UncleTermite
      @UncleTermite 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert J Barnes Last time i checked you were on my comment posts ,once again you are delusional...lol

    • @RobertJBarnes
      @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** And you would be wrong. You sought out my comments on entirely different threads - not the other way around. I wonder, is this how you deal with being wrong so may times? You just make shit up?
      You haven't made one salient point. Not one; mostly, you just lie to yourself.
      i'm scoring a shut out.

    • @UncleTermite
      @UncleTermite 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Robert J Barnes I was clearly there first ,regardless you must like the punishments i give to you on everyone !

  • @danielsantana540
    @danielsantana540 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lennox lewis didn't face evander holyfield until Nearly the end of the Decade. in which second bout i enjoyed more than De la hoya vs Trinidad in which all bouts took place in 1999

  • @manuginobilisbaldspot424
    @manuginobilisbaldspot424 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The "Razor" had clearly dulled by this point. But it was Lewis' biggest win by far up to that point and clearly made him the #1 contender. Too bad Bowe (or Rock Newman?) ducked him. Would've been a damn interesting fight.

    • @RobertJBarnes
      @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Not true; he had two fights after Tyson and before this fight. Both wins were by knock outs. He looked his very best fighting against an undefeated knockout artist Phillip Jackson. Ruddock finally started to use his jab as Floyd Patterson was imploring him to do. Jackson was 25-0 with 23 knock outs and Ruddock knocked him out in 4 rounds.

    • @manuginobilisbaldspot424
      @manuginobilisbaldspot424 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Robert J Barnes First off...I'm not a Tyson 'fan boy' as you tried to lump me in as in that post you have. Second, WHO THE HELL is Phillip Jackson? As soon as he fought non-bums, he was exposed as the glorified journeyman he was. You didn't mention that after that 25-0 start, he went 19-13 for the remainder of his career, typically against better caliber of heavyweights. Ruddock before and after Tyson simply wasn't the same fighter. Anyone with any sense could see that. I didn't say Tyson 'wrecked' Ruddock...I stated that Ruddock was dulled by this point. And that was absolutely true.

    • @RobertJBarnes
      @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot You said "
      The "Razor" had clearly dulled by this point."
      Well, prove it. My point is that here is no proof that he was any less of a fighter. And that he may have actually improved.
      Obviously, the 25-0 with 23 knock outs, Phillip Jackson, was thought of highly enough to be in a title elimination bought against number one ranked Ruddock.
      In this fight, his new trainer, Floyd Patterson, finally got Razor to use his jab to set up power shots. He used the jab far more frequently than in recent past fights. He looked better than he did in any previous fight. Therefore, you cannot say, with any basis, that Razor was any less of a fighter when he fought Lewis.

    • @UncleTermite
      @UncleTermite 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Manu Ginobilis Bald Spot All this idiot Barnes can do is spew and quote verbatim that someone else said then reply back with the same nonsense,,,,lol ...Ruddock fought a Popscicle in Jackson who never fought back that is his evidence of Razor looking his best....lol

    • @RobertJBarnes
      @RobertJBarnes 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** Interesting that you say that considering I have out-classed you on every point.

  • @christikante2773
    @christikante2773 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Who can say someone, that Tyson was the best Boxer,
    if Lewis Roddock knoked out in 2 Rounds, what Tytosn never done!?

    • @aftrdrk7263
      @aftrdrk7263 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Different styles and different variables make different fights .

    • @lumbeemendoza4168
      @lumbeemendoza4168 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mayweather went distance with de la hoya but Pacquiao tko de la hoya but Mayweather beat pacquiao styles make fights!

  • @ElKabong78
    @ElKabong78 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn where's the tracking button.

  • @slidecounter5813
    @slidecounter5813 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That 1'2 Combination that put Donovan down 👀 32:19

  • @poolb8166
    @poolb8166 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Riddick Bowe is all mouth but shit himself when Lewis beat Ruddock as he was up next. Stained his career with a cowardly, high profile duck of Lewis. Bowe will always be the fake who ducked a real fighter.

  • @connymat
    @connymat 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Soooo where is the Meldrick Taylor fight?!

  • @theparalexview785
    @theparalexview785 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Back when rules made sense: no standing 8 count, no 3 knockdown rule.
    Back when Joe Cortez was a good referee instead of a wannabe TV star with that annoying catch phrase ("Remember, I'm firm but I'm fair" 🙄).
    And he didn't try to pad the delay between a fighter getting up from a knockdown and resuming the fight. Nowadays a standing 8 count can turn into a 20 second delay, between a slow count, wiping the gloves, asking the downed fighter if he's okay, are you sure? wipe the gloves again, telling the other fighter to return to the neutral corner, then finally letting the fight resume after the stunned fighter had half a minute to recover.

  • @AnthonyJ74
    @AnthonyJ74 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Foreman looks young here at 43.

    • @bb-gc2tx
      @bb-gc2tx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He was 43 not 73 lol

    • @GDavis49
      @GDavis49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Eating chicken breast on the Foreman grille keeps you young

  • @gunnyakdo1653
    @gunnyakdo1653 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    crypt keeper announcing this show what times

  • @Burzurk1987
    @Burzurk1987 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ruddock was an awesome puncher!! But he was never the same after he took those two beatings from Mike Tyson.

    • @SJ-ty5rw
      @SJ-ty5rw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agree .. Tyson really put him through 2 brutal fights . But i think the difference between Lewis-Ruddock , while both were big punchers .. was Lewis was an intelligent fighter , who used his jab and looked for openings . Ruddock was just a one trick fighter , looking for one big punch . The way he fought Tyson was never going to work .

    • @theinformationbomber7102
      @theinformationbomber7102 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SJ-ty5rw yeah ruddock needed more skills but man he could take some hell of a punishment though
      Those Tyson fights were just awesome
      Too much hard hitting going on there

    • @SJ-ty5rw
      @SJ-ty5rw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@theinformationbomber7102 Agreed

    • @dylanburston7453
      @dylanburston7453 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SJ-ty5rw Rudock had 2 fights between this and the tyson one, both easy and convincing victories. Ruddock would go on to win the WBO belt, and win the canadian belt at 50. Lennox ust samshed ruddock in 4 minuites, something mike needed a corrupt ref and 19 rounds to do

  • @higsterful
    @higsterful 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    still an amazing night for British boxing all these years after....Lennox would have demolished the coward Bowe....still makes me laugh even now after Ruddock goes down the 1st time Foreman says" it doesn't make a difference...Ruddock has been knocked down before "....ha..not like that George!!

    • @xpznjf8730
      @xpznjf8730 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bonecrusher smith dropped him very hard, Tyson broke my man’s jaw, Ruddock’s punch resistance was never the same after the Tyson fights.

  • @acarter4173
    @acarter4173 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Night He Came Home

  • @C_R_O_M________
    @C_R_O_M________ 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    That last uppercut wasn't legal for sure...the referee was a bit undersized for the task, both physically and in terms of his refereeing.

  • @staffh3815
    @staffh3815 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lewis aka the goat

  • @ramirosuarez4141
    @ramirosuarez4141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This version of Lennox Lewis would be smash a prime mike tyson, no doubts

    • @pretorious700
      @pretorious700 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      An older version actually did.

    • @grittyinnovations1428
      @grittyinnovations1428 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know about all that he definitely got better over time. Olive McCall was able to drop him

    • @danielreynolds8357
      @danielreynolds8357 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're tripping. Iron, Mike Tyson would of hammered the shite out of Lennox in this fight if iron, Mike was at his imperious best. Tyson declined and Lewis got alot better. So I have to completely disagree with you buddy.🙂🙂🙂🙂.

    • @Ryang403
      @Ryang403 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@grittyinnovations1428 yeah but jose suliman n don king made sure that fight was stopped early.. cant remember who the ref was.. joe corrupt? not sure,

    • @danielreynolds8357
      @danielreynolds8357 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have to disagree entirely with you. You sure can't compare Donovan Ruddock to iron Mike Tyson. Iron Mike Tyson beat trevor berbick in 2 rounds in 1986. Trevor berbick went 15 rounds against Larry holmes at his ultimate best in 1981.

  • @andertonchigoneka5237
    @andertonchigoneka5237 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lewis this was a fight than made everyone stand up as he destroyed Ruddock in two rounds

  • @DomRivers67
    @DomRivers67 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ruddock doesn't get a lot of props, but he gave a very prime Tyson all sorts of problems, didn't fear him at all when half the heavyweight division had lost the fight through terminal jelly legs before they had even climbed the ropes, in perspective, if Razor was prime now, Deontay would be known as a serviceable sparring partner

    • @PhantomOSX
      @PhantomOSX 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tyson wasn't very prime in 1991.

    • @San-oe1xv
      @San-oe1xv ปีที่แล้ว

      @PhantomOSX he was lol, Tyson's fanboys act like he forgot how to box. Tyson was 24 when he fought Ruddock

  • @gladysrodgers4015
    @gladysrodgers4015 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    i would love to say razor cant fight but he went somewhere and learnt