WHY I DIDN'T LIKE BATMAN THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2022
- The Dark Knight Returns is one of the greatest Batman stories ever told... allegedly.
Today, we take a look back and the best and worst of part 2 of this 2 part story.
If you haven't seen part one yet... check it out first before watching it's sequel!
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I think the ''All the people I've murdered'' line is Bruce just being honest about his no kill rules consequences before he either murders Joker or almost kills him
Yeah I thought similar since I didn't understand how this line is connected to batman believing he's the cause of his villains. It's in character that batman is aware of how many he could save if he just killed joker but can't bring himself to do it knowing he wouldn't stop at joker.
While the theory that he's the cause is wrong because looking at his rogues gallery would show a lot of them would be the same if batman wasn't around. Not necessarily in Gotham for some but still existing. Bane, Penguin, Deathstroke, you can make the arguement Harvey would have become a version of Twoface without Batman's presence because of his multiple personality disorder. So I don't think batman subscribes to that theory.
I felt it was his anger at seeing all the people the joker is killing and he breaks down in anger .
"If your code brought you to this point what good was the code?" Anton Chigurh
That’s exactly what it is, and he’s right. The no kill rule serves the criminals, not the well being of the innocent people of Gotham.
I really don't like how most of the recent DC animated movies have one generic art style instead of trying to duplicate the art style of the comics that they're adapting. P.S. Vee, you're an All Star Batman content creator.
And if Vee is the "All-Star Batman" then he's the GOD-DAMNED BATMAN!
if it’s a adaptation why wouldn’t they make it look like the comic they’re exactly adapting it from
That’s because there r in a universe called the tomorrow verse. Started off with man of tomorrow. I like the new animation looks like a comic panel into animation
Because they are taking place in single universe. Dc animated universe have better built than live action dc universe.
Makes sense to have a world where no one looks out of place, hell the last of the old DC animated universe was entirely on the same animation style, so I don't get why that universe gets a pass and the new one doesn't
“All the people I’ve murdered by letting you live” is one of my favorite lines because simply Batman’s just old and tired of this shit and with this and everything else going it’s starting to call his morality into question. (If we’re keeping ASBAR as canon, then Frank Miller’s Batman has had “questionable” morals for YEARS!) In many ways he DID think in absolutes and those absolutes are beginning to slip. Yes, Joker and many of the villains are responsible for their own actions but Batman feels responsible for Gotham. Hence why he kept count of the death toll. It ate at him for so long yet he still dedicated himself to his code. I get chills when I hear him yell “No More!”
The whole story is focused on Batman’s Influence on the city and just how BIG his presence is, I also saw it as a deconstruction of what the classic Batman of old would have to do in a more modern neo 80s world.
It may not be that he subscribes entirely to the same thoughts of the talking Heads on TV but that it had gotten him to think about it.
ASBAR was bad, and didn’t even make sense in the Dark Knight Returns continuity. I completely missed the point of Batman and Robin’s relationship.
@@mesodini246 Oh trust me, I never said ASBAR was good.
@@thefdvproduction oh good
Lastly, Vee, I think you may be misreading the point of the exchange between Batman and Joker starting with, "All the people I've murdered, by letting you live!". I don't think the idea is that Batman is resolving there to kill the Joker. To the contrary, I feel this exchange shows Batman's value of human life and, thereby, outrage over the massacre he just witnessed. True, he contemplates if it'd be better if he'd have killed him years ago, but he never goes through with it as Joker breaks his own neck to frame Batman. Personally, I take it as something said more out of guilt over all the deaths, hence the "I did." after the Joker says, "I never kept count." (Again highlighting this Batman's value of life lost.) I also think this exchange demonstrates a really good understanding of the Joker in that he then replies, "I know you did. And I love you for it!," meaning that Joker understands what's precious to Batman and kills just to irk him, knowing that he will implicitly experience guilt over however many he couldn't save. This is probably some of my personal favorite Miller Batman writing, as, in my opinion, it really nails the yin-yang-ness of it all and the moral quandary to their relationship. Sure it's been thoroughly re-explored, now, but this was definitely influential at the time!
Except that the movie leaves out the most interesting part. In the comic, Batman does kill the Joker and then he's in denial about it so much that he hallucinates a conversation with Joker's dead body where Joker kills himself to frame Batman for the murder.
@@Matt_Bright_1983 I feel like that was still implied
The whole "stop laughing" line directed to a clearly dead Joker, its still shown, just not implicitly told. I prefer it this way.
10:14 “The disrespect there, come on…” If your enemy was The Joker and all those memories of the people he’s killed and how you could’ve prevented that years ago, I think honor on Joker’s corpse is the last thing you need to worry about, esp. how in his final moments bro was stabbing him god knows how many times 🧍🏾♂️🧍🏾♂️
I can’t hear jokers voice In this movie without seeing a space blanket around him
I think you completely misunderstood the political takes here. The comics were written at a very different time. Hell were still benefiting the terrible job Regan did, all these later. The whole point is that the fallout put people into such desperate situations they will currpt their morals to justify what they are doing, even murder. It's messy, and no one clear cut answer, and that's the whole point.
You're completely right. He himself said that he's not really into politics but am sure everyone could understand after your explanation.
Yes, this story is very much a product of its time. This and watchmen are fantastic glimpses into the paranoia of that era.
I would really like to hear what the correct interpretation would be, honestly.
i will say that the fight in this movie feels more like a proper batman/superman fight: the relationship between them, their different beliefs on justice, the set up, the evitable throw down, neither man being at 100%, superman trying to talk batman down while batman uses every tactic and trick in the book to keep clark off balance for ollie to come in with the last shot. for me, this was the perfect fight for these guys. snyder's version was just so...........bland and uninteresting. he takes the visuals of this fight without the real meat of what makes it great.
i agree that this movie isn't perfect but that fight scene saved it for me.
My issue with the set of movies is that it just feels like they were trying too hard to make it straight-ahead, but the Frank Miller story has more interesting inner dialogue with characters, and adds little asides from the main story that make the world feel more "alive".
I totally agree. I mean the movie entirely leaves out the fact that Batman did in fact kill the Joker and then hallucinates his voice inside his own head because he's in denial about it. I think the movie missed a lot of the point of the book
I understand what you’re saying but in order for them to truly capture every ideal piece of dialogue the series would be like 6 parts…which I would have loved lol
Honestly for the most part I can't agree with you. I don't think it was perfect but I think in general these are damn good Batman movies. But the one thing I liked that you bring to light is when I see a lot of people talk about the movies they always mention something like "Frank Millers hatred toward the left" but then they ignore all the criticisms they also made about the right. A lot of people try to make it seem one sided when it really isn't, he's trying to commentate on political extremists in general.
Because Miller argues through his work that the right is correct and that the left are wrong, by intentionally misrepresenting things, opinions and positions. Miller is criticized because he can not construct a coherent criticism which is not deeply rooted in intentional misrepresentation and character assassination. Could it be that this is the extent of his skills? Sure. Is it annoying and obnoxious af? Also yes.
@@eneyavorodeckymy god, ypu are completely media illiterate. He writes as much disdain for the right as much as the left.
He didn’t kill the joker, he severely crippled him to the point that Joker was practically paralyzed. so if joker moves his neck to far he will kill himself which is what joker does in the end
I’m pretty sure he did kill the joker with the neck snap and then the bit with the joker after that is Batman hallucinating.
@@willharrison2417 I feel like that’s good theory or head canon but as far as the movie presents it, it was real
@@kalebtaylor4034 ah okay bro, I saw a comment on another video on this film saying that in the comic it was a hallucination, although I’ve never read it so I’ve no idea if that’s the case
@@willharrison2417 I haven’t read it myself either lol
@@willharrison2417 It was no Hallucination in the Comic either
I hate the art design, it’s ugly as fuck. I know this incredibly unpopular.
Never been a fan of the big ass blocky frank Miller style, don't see why everyone loves it so much 😅
I agree with you
Hmmm
I still love these two movies so much
Honestly I consider part 1 and 2 as one movie and I watch them back to back
Honestly my favorite Batman animated movie and probably my favorite Batman movie ever
So spitting on the corpse of a man whose killed your son is considered not classy?
I see most of your points because the comic was written during a different time era and now it just seems like it's hitting you over the head with its ideas but I'm just pro spitting on Joker's corpse.
@Michael Kiely so he predicted him killing before he was? That's almost impressive!
Still, his reasoning was that Joker killed Jason and it makes sense for his Batman.
@Michael Kiely well, I assumed wrong then I was thinking of BvS....
@Michael Kiely yes he did. Frank said in an interview that Jason was killed by the Joker.
@Michael Kiely Bro Frank has confirmed Joker killed him and I’m pretty sure there’s a comic in Franks universe, that deals with it as well
and also... he had to do it??? It was gasoline??? To set his body on fire???
The thing with Frank Miller that always put me off his work was his seeming hatred/ misunderstanding of Superman. And how crazy and over time cruel he made Batman in his later works.
The Sequel to The Dark Knight Returns which is The Dark Knight strikes again honestly was hard to read, the images where horrible, the art fizzy and the story and characters downright disgusting.
Jesus the dark knight strikes back looks like Aztec art Jesus felt like burning it tbh
@@Xavier28200 Nah Aztec art had meaning to it, Strikes back was just pure filth.
I get what you’re saying and agree with some of what you’re saying on some points, especially on the Joker and on the Mutants. But I think Frank Miller was really right on the nose with this one.
And before I get marked as a Miller-fanboy, I’m not. I haven’t read any of his other works and haven’t read much about him. I’m just looking at it from the layman Batman fan.
This saga really showed a realistic portrayal of what would happen to superhero’s in the real world. They would be debated and politicized to all hell, and those that stick to their guts are the ones that are true heroes. It portrays a very modern take on mob-mentality and how Facebook and Twitter warriors would criticize people just trying to do the right thing.
His Daredevil stuff is much better than his Batman comics to me. Before he decided to write about the idea of superheroes instead of just writing superheroes. But he was growing as an artist and did great things outside of superheroes like Hardboiled and Sin City. And honestly everything he and Alan Moore did to comics both would regret it in the aftermath with all their imitators which is what Dark Knight Strikes Again and All Star is poking fun at.
Loving the videos Vee
First, great, insightful review. I read the book back in the late 80’s, not long after it was published. You hit on many of the conflicts that make the story so thought provoking. Do Batman’s actions partially contribute to some criminals’ actions? Probably. Are they still responsible for their actions? Certainly. Frank Miller clearly criticized both the extreme right and the extreme left. I like that he didn’t offer clear answers, but left the reader to decide for themselves.
While reading the book (the Killing Joke), I never really left it with the thought that Batman killed the joker at the end. To me, it's pretty much like the animated film. It's really a fascinating glimpse into an exploration of their history and relationship. Batman's heard hundreds of jokes from The joker throughout the years. And none of it has ever been funny. Not to Batman. But on this one night, after everything that had just happened, the joker finally told Batman a joke that he appreciated. And it's also kind of about Batman stepping outside of himself and his comfort zone, if you ask me. The joker just tried to drive someone very close to Batman mad, and nearly succeeded. And he crippled another. The entire experience has caused Batman to look in on himself. And, after this harrowing experience, Bruce allows himself a little bit of well-earned relief by actually enjoying one of the joker's jokes. It's really a fantastic exploration into these two characters and specifically Batman's psyche. But I wouldn't say that Batman killed the joker after this.
The "all the people I've murdered by letting you live" is essentially batman admitting how stupid he's been to not just kill joker. Because we all know if he gets locked up, he'll just break out and kill more people and this is batman finally deciding enough is enough and joker has to go
It's a groundbreaking comic but yeah, Frank Miller is nuts.
I get that I’m more of a part one guy myself, tho it was interesting to see this version of Batman vs Superman it felt like I knew these versions for years and the fight felt like it had an emotional connection
To each their own, I loved it. That guy is so underrated as the joker
No
Hope you see all star Superman. Best showing of his character to me
I thought it was ok myself too. But should have been longer to better explain everything. I mean if joker was hospitalized I'm sure he would have heard Batman somewhere else as tv was allowed.
Same with going from joker to Superman as Like all star super it needs more time to introduce the world like jlau
Did you read the frank Miller comic? All those things you complained about where in the comic. Joker gas baby robots, Wayne dressed as hobo, etc
@Michael Kiely it's all good. Love the guy
Despite certain flaws in the movie, I enjoyed it. I do hate the fact that some people including Dr. Bartholomew Wolper blame Batman for all the crimes joker committed. That was some bullshit right there, and when the joker flat out killed Dr. Wolper, that death was completely satisfying to me
I watched both the other day. I thought to myself that part 2 was a lot crazier than the first. I still thought it was rather enjoyable despite how more wild it was.
Random thought I had to myself but the scene with Clark and Bruce talking I thought was hilarious. Because of the random things they were doing while talking, along with the camera going elsewhere during their conversation.
Like Superman standing heroically only to have an eagle come swooping in on his arm.
Imagine the craziest things that don't fit the situation in their place but it's there anyway while they're having a casual conversation.
I'm so glad he decided to review part 2
I really like this. Both parts and comic book.
Uhhh Vee the voiceover for Joker was great I mean he's no Hamill but you can hear the crazy in Joker's voice. And how he fools the shrink. The best line "and I thought I was Batman psychotic obsession"
The hobby shop in my city used to give out free copies of "Batman and Robin: The Boy Wonder" as a prize for the person who came in last at card tournaments. Then they put the last copy on display in the store with tape across it that reads "Granny's Peach Tea".
I think that tells you all you need to know about that "comic book".
I dont the problem with Batman spitting on the corpse of the Joker. What else should he do, just walk away?
A guy like the Joker doesnt deserve respect. He deserves a special place in Hell.
In my opinion Batman should have done far worse to Jokers dead body (no pun intended).
Vee you're an all star batman creator
Been addicted to ur channel for the past few months. Ur Batman videos are the shit man. Keep that shit up
Your not the only one. I thought i'd like part 2 more but it's a film that is just all over the place. It goes from one thing to the next and there isn't enough time to really get invested in what is going on. Animation is nice but the characters are all underutilized.
He makes one video talking about how much he likes Part 1, attracting all the supporters. Makes a second video talking about why Part 2 sucks, attracting all the haters. Vee, you're a genius!
Well he doesn't care. He's more focused on that FAT and revenue
So wait, people have a problem with the “All the people I’ve murdered, by letting you live!”, but everyone loves the “All I’ve ever wanted to do was kill him” line from Under the Red Hood?
Also, what about the Hush comic/movie? Where Batman is literally about to kill the Joker and WILL NOT stop until Gordon shows up and shoots his cowl’s ear off? Sounds like a bit of a double-standard to me
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought something was wrong with Superman’s character
the final fight scene was dope and "vee, you're an all-star batman creator "
Batman utilizes the mutants because he’s able to grasp the basic idea that it’s better to have a bunch of mindless meatheads fight for good and be taught some values rather than just leave them to run about the streets causing harm to good people. It’s obvious why he did it. Whether or not they’re doing it from a place of good, what they’re doing IS good, and with how done Batman is at this point in his life, he’s done with the foolish idealism of his past (like with his no kill rule) and is taking the pragmatic approach of “if they’re doing good, that’s good enough for me with how desperate we currently are”.
The thing about Frank Miller's conservative satire is that it's supposed to be funny and show the slippery slope of "pro-criminal" criminology. However, if you actually see the way the mainstream media treats cops and the growing crime problems in American cities today, you would be shocked at how accurate Miller was in foretelling it, albeit unwittingly. Now I suggest you read the comic because it's phenomenally better.
V you’re an all-star Batman content creator
Review "The Batman vs Dracula" it's my favorite Batman animated movie.
You should do a animated/live action joker proformance tier list video
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I'm pretty sure the movie's main political message is more like "everyone is looney" considering how Ronald Reagan is depicted as being bad himself for using Superman as his little secret weapon, and willing to use something like that on someone like Batman.
They really could've just done a TDKR Part 1.5; and ended it after the fight with Joker.
Batman and Superman kicking the shit out of each other will never get old; but it's everything between Joker's Death *and* that final fight that drags the movie down.
Part 1 was fantastic. The showdown between Bruce and the Mutant Leader might just be my favourite Batman Vs *Insert Person Here* scene ever.
He didn’t kill the joker, he paralyzed him from the neck down and the joker decided to snap his own neck
Wrong.
@@paulheap1982 its literally not tho lmaoo watch the movie back
I've been looking forward to this
This movie is legit a piece of art! The Batman good Batman under the red hood good the dark knight returns master piece
When is your The Batman review with spoilers
I agree with you V, although if I am being honest the only Batman movie I often go back to frequently is Batman Under The Red Hood. I also do enjoy the underlining themes & issues of the movie, but to be honest I was also a big Supernatural fan back in the day so I would probably consider it my favorite Batman property regardless just for Jensen Ackles voice work
Vee you're an all-star batman content creator.
Hey now, in Batman’s defense he didn’t kill Joker, he just snapped his neck. The Joker finished himself off.
Wrong.
@@inputfunny Nah, he snapped Joker’s neck. Joker was still alive and he turned his head so he’d sever his spine. Joker offed himself
@@demitriuscovington370 You're looking at it too literally. Anything in the conversation past Batman snapping his neck was in Batman's head; he didn't want to believe he had broke his one rule. You can tell Batman has lost it a little when he tells the burning joker corpse to stop laughing at his bad aim a few minutes later.
Vee you're an all-star Batman content creator
It's really well animated and the sound design is great also hi have and idea play the batman 89 joker theme over the fight between joker and batman and you have beauty
Vee, I called it in the previous video that you're misreading Miller's satire as HIS words, only for you to say it AGAIN, much more literally this time in this video, adding a "probably". Sorry, "probably" won't cut it. Miller is a libertarian so it is one of those cases when protagonist and author are not necessarily in the agreement. Which is a lot of cases, really. Most people are subpar writers and can only write characters who are more or less a variation of themselves. It's a set that can work wonders, but still it's really an odd mistake to make to just assume automatically that characters author sympathizes with are basically author avatar. I mean, Alan Moore definitely loved to write Rorschach and told in some interviews they are similar, in a way. Moore is a Marxist, while Rorschach is something indescribably leaning onto far right (even though I have a feeling that the character's disposition on what is far right now would've been a neck snap). Honestly, how hard is this concept to gasp that you blame Miller for having 'absolute'? I don't think I can explain this concept in any other words, even though I am a PhD in political science.
Oh, and movie also had writers, you know, other than Miller. However minimal their input was it is not to be underestimated for warping the material further down this line.
Exactly people I seen who call DKR who just says it’s right wing propaganda tends not to know Miller’s views, that don’t fully conform to that. The man flat out hated Trump apparently. Miller has also gone record saying he was influenced by Aryn Rand’s objectivism philosophy.
So, Miller’s political views much like anyone else are more complicated than simply being right or left.
The thing is this Joker is a direct result of Batman, because this isn’t the original Joker but Dick Grayson the kid he locked in a cage and forced to eat rats.
Something about part one is so good an same with first year but i always thought part 2 was pretty good too
While I love both parts I 100% agree part 1 is better. I like how grounded it is. The mutants are a nice Brest of fresh air. I love Joker but Joker is DC’s answer to everything. The politics is a bit much in part 2.
Yeah, for something that is supposed to be so realistic, him portraying people who don’t like Batman as either corrupt or just plain stupid is just mine boggling. And as he pointed out, mind control lipstick? Really? That’s Adam West or Tim Burton Batman bullshit right there. What the hell happened?
Not sure what's so odd about the lipstick thing, isn't it just Joker using one of Posion Ivy's old gadgets like how Batman uses Scarecrow's fear toxin on a Two Face thug?
@@kaiserreichempireofohio834 sounds plausible, though I’m not sure that the movie shows this, but maybe the comic does. If so, that’s the fault of the movie.
@@dalenlewin I'm guessing it may have seemed like exposition that interrupted the flow of the story
Again I say, instead of asking why hasn't Batman killed the Joker we should be asking why hasn't the law killed the Joker?
Frank’s comics were all political and social commentary. From actual politics to the dynamics in the comic industry.
Smokey’s Videos did a video a few days ago that broke Frank’s style down pretty well.
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That's not actually Ronald Reagan thats a robot made by Lex Luthor while he holds the kryptonian city of Kandor hostage to control Superman. But none of that is in the movies so the criticism is still accurate
I think that the goofy tone was meant to display a different era of Batman. The first part of the story is the Golden Age Batman. He’s violent, he uses guns, he’s a loner. In the midpoint, it’s Silver Age Batman. He has a lot of weird bat themed gadgets and vehicles and the villains so goofy stuff like the mind controlling lipstick. At the end of the story, we see the Bronze/Modern Age Batman. The story’s darker tone is back and we get that scene where Batman breaks the gun over his knee. “These are loud and clumsy. These are the weapons of cowards.” Plus, we have the fight with Superman, starting the idea that they’re enemies.
I think you should have added “part 2” to the title
I always thought batman going to kill the joker made sense in this story because he's already proven for decades he doesn't WANT to kill the joker but now he's living on borrowed time after a decade of drinking aging and stagnation. Chivalrous code or not the joker living after batmans death with no one around except maybe superman to deal with him is a loose end batman may want to tie up. This would've been much more thematically resonant if frank actually decided to let bruce have a heart attack at the end since at least in the book his age and physical deterioration are brought up more more. Then since more people appreciated batman after the riots during nuclear winter, public outcry, whether the government caved or not, Would've forced Clark's boy Scout side to voluntarily cease activity for killing his partner. That would mark the end of vigilantes in this universe
0:03 Ayo, when did Ben learn that kinda Language💀?
Dude I thought i was the only one who really didn’t like Part 2
Vee, there's a problem. Brian Zane is reviewing Hogan Knows Best which is what you're already doing.
I wasn't a big fan of the guy who voiced Joker but he kinda grew on me. I liked the movie(s) but think if they got Kevin Conroy and Mark Hammil damn that'd be great.
Just to clarify in the comic the joker had murdered dozens of children moments prior
And do you not call the joker stabbing Batman repeatedly an “in the moment sort of thing”
V You’re an all-star Batman creator
8:07 to 8:12 - Er, that _wasn't_ his solution. The Joker killed himself.
Batman's absolute no kill code is bullshit and I find few people who agree with it. Every human being deserves a fair trial but some people like the Joker just need to be put down for the absolute sake of humanity
Maybe you might need a rewatch of both parts as one cohesive whole than two parts.
I recommend the Batman Year One movie
What? I have the exact opposite opinion. Let's argue
VEE, YOU’RE AN ALL-STAR BATMAN CONTENT CREATOR
also I liked the movie
I agree so much with you part 1 is my favourite movie ever
I liked the movie but I can agree part 2 does fail in context that that graphic novel has over these movies and somethings were also changed like when Batman shoots the gun out of his hand on the graphic novel he actually shot him between the eyes and in the graphic novel it’s actually Batman that kills the joker but we see it as the joker snapping his own neck like the movie cause that’s actually Batman convincing him that the joker did it how we can tell is each character had a distinct dialogue bubble color and when the joker dies both dialogue bubble color are Batman’s color saying that this is how Batman is choosing to see how this went down
Hot take: Frank Miller's TDKR is overrated.
I think your take on Bruce deciding to kill Joker, specifically that it shouldn't be premeditated, and should be in reaction to something, isn't taking into account that Joker just killed over 200 people in one go. I think Batman could make up his mind at that point. What more could the Joker do? He's been killing almost nonstop.
Also, perfectly fine with Bruce spitting on Joker. I'll admit it caught me off guard, too, but I think it's perfectly in line with an older Bruce in this universe. The Dark Knight Rises universe to me is fucking grimy, and Batman isn't apart from the grime. I guess that's why the old lady outfit works for me too, it's ugly, but I'd never seen Bruce wear a disguise, and in my eyes, that's just a staple of the character now. Admittedly, this graphic novel is amongst the first and the few that I've read, which might color my opinion, but when I read this book, it made me see Batman in a totally different light. You said it yourself, this Batman recognizes that he has very little time left to act, but at a certain point, I think Bruce forgets about the mortality aspect of things, he's not thinking about deadlines, he just has the mission, and that's to clean Gotham up completely, to say fuck what anyone else says, Gotham is mine. The Batman that would've hesitated to kill the Joker retired a decade ago. Now Joker and their whole relationship is just an obstacle and he isn't going to be the crutch to Joker's insanity anymore. Their past is just the past, and Batman's plans can't include the Joker.
Oops, almost forgot: "Vee, You're an All-Star Batman Content Creator" (I know it's the thing you said to say, but it's true!) Also, yeah, Dick's Robin costume in "The LEGO Batman Movie" was definitely inspired by Carrie Kelly, especially in regards to the green goggles. Cheers!
When the first images of Robin came out for the LEGO Batman movie I honestly thought it was going to be Carrie
Thanks
Vee really trying his best to push that clickbait ajenda
Batman said he murdered cause he couldn't save some people
I thought that the spit was flammable that’s why he burned
I liked the books better. When it came out it was groundbreaking. I read it as a teenager; my Dad shared it with me when he was around my age now. Things were different back than and it got changed into a movie 20 years later. Basically it is just decent; but revolutionary when it was a book. I was disappointed with it as a movie, but I was with Killing Joke as well. DCAU seems to always mess up the stories when animating them. They should just leave them in comic form. It's much better to picture the voices in your head.
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I remember really liking the Batman/Superman fight.
I don't know how closely the animation hews to the source material as I've never actually had the source material in front of me. (Legally blind, comic books are a little hard to read so I typically don't.)
Politically, both sides are guilty of characterizing the most extreme people who might agree with some part of their philosophy as being that "side". People say "noo, I don't do that, the other side does that!" But on the right, the portrayal of anyone on the left as a communist isn't just media caricature-I've met people who do that. And I lived through 2020 in Portland, Oregon, so I know just how much violence was done against so-called "nazis" (definition seems to include anyone on the right and anyone on the left that doesn't encourage the violence…)
I dunno what Frank Miller was going for there. I don't know if he's on the left or the right, but he'd perceive Batman as being on the right, certainly. Funny that he got Green Arrow to help him out in Pt. 2 given that Ollie has traditionally been an open communist. DCAU softened that to making him "an old lefty". Maybe his point is that people seem to like to make excuses for their behavior couched in their political ideology? It's sure easier than taking responsibility for your own choices, isn't it?
This is considered one of the essential comics for understanding Batman … this and The Killing Joke. I'd say though that if these two are your education of who Batman is, you had a poor education indeed. Alec Baldwin's sad portrayal of the character comes from those comics being the only sources of inspiration.
although it adapts the comic very well, I wouldn't treat the writing in the movie as Frank Miller's writing, the comic elaborates way more and way better in any point
part 1 is better, and a much more believably definitive batman. i agree that part 2 is a little too fantastical, but i think batman killing joker, the politics, the superman story, and batman’s personality are really interesting and unique. there’s a lot of depth to it, and i can excuse a lot of things i normally wouldn’t like, because it’s supposed to be the very very end of batman’s career. i love part 2, but i understand if some people don’t
Reading the title. "Say whaaaaaa..."
Had some good moments but this didn’t live up to other animated movies
In all fairness, the joker was never "released" per say. But I do love the coffee cup scene. Poor Conan and Andy lol.
Reagan was pretty full of shit though.
I’m glad somebody finally talked about how lame Young Justice Joker is. Like seriously, what went wrong there?
Now stay away from the graphic novel sequel 'The Dark Knight Strikes Again' 🤮
What happend to the new video of the weirds batman movies
That's who I was wondering I got the notification but it says the video is private.
Also old man Oliver Queen is the baddest ass in the best character in this whole movie. It’s disappointing that we didn’t get him much in the future