Hey Griffin, thanks for the insights on the differences. Really useful to see what kinds of things you're getting for the price diff. The practical details you call out are super helpful.
Thank you Griffin for putting this together! You really helped narrow down the differences between the two cameras in the real world. I love my C200 but we are renting a C500 for a trip to the UK next month so I'm excited to get my hands on one and shoot with it.
@@GriffinConway I'll be shooting corporate videos, a documentary we are working on (actually, we are renting a C500 in London in a couple of weeks so can't wait to try it out!) and weddings. Reason we need the C500 is that we are trying to keep the footage 6K to match the Red footage we've already shot. I am also bringing my C200 for 4K RAW as well.
That sounds like a fun project. Curious what you thoughts are after shooting with the red and the c500 ii. I shot on a red for a project a few weeks ago and I liked the c500 Mark ii so much better. Drop me a comment and let me know how it goes once you finish up!
looking mistyyyyy on this one dude! Thanks for all the insight on this. It helps a lot knwing the different use cases on each camera, when and where to use each, etc. The C200 is still a beast and has its place in the market today!
I agree but is it worth double the price of the c200??? Is the image quality twice as good??? Probably not. The c200 and c500 mark ii raw in 4K have the same bit rate. It’s only when you shoot 5.9k the bit rate increases which is obvious. I own a c200 and no camera on the market in that price can match the quality and bit rate in raw
Jean pierre Maurel image quality is definitely not “twice as good”...in fact in some cases it is almost exactly the same. The c500 Mark ii presents some benefits that will make sense for certain productions, but for the majority of people the c200 will be a much better value.
Thanks for checking the video out! I agree it is a big jump. If you think the extra features will help you do your job more efficiently or higher quality then it may be a good move, but if you won’t use the extra features it probably makes sense to stick with the c300 Mark ii!
Great review. How do you like to monitor raw footage on your C200 when shooting raw? The lack of clog2 has made it a real struggle to create a monitor lut
Tyler Stalman thanks for checking it out Tyler. I’m a fan of your channel and the content you make. The way I typically monitor the c200 when shooting in raw is switch the color space to bt709 and pay attention to the waveform and zebras. I usually set the zebras to 5% and 15% and try to keep the bottom two stops empty (as long as nothing is clipping on top of the waveform). Crimson engine has a really good video on this. Unfortunately though, there isn’t a way to add a stylized lut to an external monitor and accurately judge your exposure. I think it is more accurate to use the built in canon lut.
Thanks @@GriffinConway! It's so frustrating that the output isn't straightforward on the C200. For example if using the CanonLog3 preset, whatever the signal is coming out of HDMI and SDI, it's definitely not log. But the workflow all the pros using Alexa and Red describe is that creating a monitor lut they can trust is critical, but they're able to actually monitor the signal they're capturing. It all drives me crazy
@tylerstalman right there with you! Super frustrating for sure and actually one of the main reasons I am considering purchasing the c500 Mark ii (you can monitor in clog 2 which is what the raw imports as in most NLE’s). I’m not sure about all monitors, but I know the ninja v converts the signal to “video level” instead of full level which is what I believe the camera is recording when in raw mode. This basically makes it look more contrasty than the log image for some reason. I don’t know enough about it to accurately explain, but there is a really good article I found here: www.thepostprocess.com/2019/09/24/how-to-deal-with-levels-full-vs-video/ Hope this helps Tyler!
Thanks for checking the video out. Unfortunately the c500 Mark ii has “two-touch” tracking like the c200, not “one-touch” tracking like the 1dx Mark ii.
i seen your video about C70 vs C200, but in that you consider many things like usability and practicality. But i mostly look just image quality only. Canon placed c70 below c200. c70 launch price is around 5.5k were c200 launch price is 7.5k. The colors from c200 is way better. Also c200 has more cinematic look. So apart from the files size problem, i think c200 is best deal for 5.5k$. What you think
I think for a lot of people it won’t be...but for those that will greatly benefit from the workflow and save time in post could make their money back pretty quickly
Thanks for that comparison. If you can compare the C200 with the 1DX Mark III would be nice🙂And in the future C200 to the EOS R5 when she is released into the wild.
fb & Co | Digitales Marketing I get my 1dx iii on Monday so I plan to get a little time with the cameras and make a comparison video for sure! Anything specific you would like to see?
Thanks Brother, great breakdown and companion piece to the C500 2 review. Really helps let me know what to expect if I switch over. I know what you mean about the s35 v FF, just that extra level of richness. Have you watched Dark on Netflix? I believe it’s the LF , but to my eye I felt like I was watching my old Mamiya 67 contact sheets come to life. Made me want to move back to a larger sensor. I also like the ability to get anamorphics in there, does it natively desqeeze?
Thanks for checking the video out Christopher! I haven’t watched dark but I will have to check it out. I love the mini LF, that’s my dream camera. Regarding the desqueeze, you can choose 1.3 or 2x in camera and it will display it properly on the canon monitor.
Robert Dettling hey Robert, thanks for the comment. For most people, the answer will be no, it is not worth the extra money. The c200 is still an amazing camera for the price, but for a select group of users the benefits of the c500 Mark ii will make it worth it
I would've loved to see some outdoor DR test. backlit with some clouds in the back. I shoot a lot of my stuff backlit and wonder if the C500 has better DR. But watching this and the C500 video you put out I feel like there really isn't enough image quality improvement to justify the price. A decent chunk of the features I just wouldn't use and the lack of slow motion just makes this camera very undesirably for me personally
Ya it’s definitely lacking if you use 120p a lot. For me, I like anamorphic shooting and also full frame and mostly use 24p and 60p so it’s perfect for me. There’s not a huge dynamic range difference when shooting raw, but the shadows/blacks are much cleaner and the XF-avc codec is great when you want very similar quality but with way smaller files.
True the 810mbs for the c500 60p is similar to the 1gbs of the c200, but usually I only use 60p for about 10-20% of my shooting. At 24p it is only 410mb which is less than half the file size
Great video. I‘m a c200 user and not really sure if the upgrade is worth the cash. Could you shoot some outdoor side by side daylight shots? To see the difference in DR und overall image quality. Thanks man!
Eisi unfortunately I had the camera on rental for 2 days, one of which I was shooting a project all day so I couldn’t do any testing. I did manage to shoot the two cams side by side and they look really similar with the main difference coming from the sensor size and depth of field
Hey Griffin, thanks for a great comparison video! I recently purchased and have been using the C500 II for a few weeks now but can't for the life of me import LUTs. Did you have any issues with this? The menu page that allows for importing LUTs is grayed out and I was wondering if you might know what I might need to do to fix this issue. I've called Canon and they are looking into the issue. Thanks for any help you can give.
Brian C. Hey Brian, I think Charles Zablan from canon has a video coming on this topic. He posted something in the c500 Mark ii group on Facebook. I know the luts need to be made in davinci
@@GriffinConway @Griffin Conway Yea, i thought so. I saw one second hand for around 3000 euro's ( Living in holland ) I make myself so excited to get on hold of one of these camera's! Been making videos back in the days a lot. And i love it. Now i'm saving money to get a really nice camera soon. At first i had my eyes on the Blackmagic and GH5. But i could not really decide between these to. Also i really prefer a ergonomic and robust body, And the Canon C versions just looks perfect for me! Also the many options and quility of the Canon is really really nice. Btw. On wich hardware do you edit your video's? Im really choosing between a good PC versus a Mac. I personally think the PC is underrated for this kind of work. But i'm looking forward to the future and a Macbook perhaps lasting longer. Any thoughts on this? Maybe a good idea for a video if you havent allready haha. :') I am in love with the c500. But 7500,- euro's maybe is a bridge to far, concerning that the c200 also delivers great footage. MAN, im stuck in the film making playground hahaha. Any tips or advide on a young film maker is truely appreciated! Kind regards and take care from Holland.
Hi Gear Zen, you definitely can. That is a great solution. I was more referring to the fact that there is no built in desqueeze and also the sensor is not designed to take a 2x squeeze like most of the popular anamorphic lenses.
I would say it is like a hybrid of the raw capabilities of the c200, with the strong xf-avc codec like the c300 mk2, with the added bonus of swappable mounts, stabilization, full frame sensor, and and anamorphic capabilities.
Hey Griffin, thanks for the insights on the differences. Really useful to see what kinds of things you're getting for the price diff. The practical details you call out are super helpful.
Curtis Judd thanks so much for checking out another video Curtis. Really appreciate it!
Good stuff! Thanks for the info :)
JesseDriftwood thanks for checking out the video Jesse. I’ve been subbed to your channel for a while. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Thanks for the great review. We just got our 500ii and excited to use it with our 200.
That’s awesome Connor! They are both great cameras and make an excellent a-cam / b-cam setup
Thank you Griffin for putting this together! You really helped narrow down the differences between the two cameras in the real world. I love my C200 but we are renting a C500 for a trip to the UK next month so I'm excited to get my hands on one and shoot with it.
Awesome! If you like the c200 chances are you will love the c500 Mark ii. What type of project are you going to be shooting?
@@GriffinConway I'll be shooting corporate videos, a documentary we are working on (actually, we are renting a C500 in London in a couple of weeks so can't wait to try it out!) and weddings. Reason we need the C500 is that we are trying to keep the footage 6K to match the Red footage we've already shot. I am also bringing my C200 for 4K RAW as well.
That sounds like a fun project. Curious what you thoughts are after shooting with the red and the c500 ii. I shot on a red for a project a few weeks ago and I liked the c500 Mark ii so much better. Drop me a comment and let me know how it goes once you finish up!
good job dude, thanks for making this video and sharing your experience with the cams!
Chris Francis thanks Chris!
Thanks for the detailed comparison😀
Marten Kählert thanks for commenting and checking it out Marten!
looking mistyyyyy on this one dude!
Thanks for all the insight on this. It helps a lot knwing the different use cases on each camera, when and where to use each, etc. The C200 is still a beast and has its place in the market today!
Jeffrey Hong exactly! What’s better a hammer or screwdriver? Both are good tools for different jobs
I was looking into getting one of these, thanks for the excellent explanation
That’s awesome, glad you liked the video. It’s an amazing camera so I’m sure you will like it!
Great comparison. Maybe Canon were listening to you, as the latest C200 firmware lets you use both HDMI and SDI outs simultaneously
Roly Osborne I saw that! So stoked on it, that’s a nice workflow improvement.
Awesome video, man. Just the music that is a little distracting.
Thanks for checking out the video Arthur
Great review!
Kevin Conway thanks Kev!
I agree but is it worth double the price of the c200??? Is the image quality twice as good??? Probably not. The c200 and c500 mark ii raw in 4K have the same bit rate. It’s only when you shoot 5.9k the bit rate increases which is obvious. I own a c200 and no camera on the market in that price can match the quality and bit rate in raw
Jean pierre Maurel image quality is definitely not “twice as good”...in fact in some cases it is almost exactly the same. The c500 Mark ii presents some benefits that will make sense for certain productions, but for the majority of people the c200 will be a much better value.
Griffin Conway thank you for the replay.... great video by the way..I was impressed by your video!! Keep up the good work 🤟👍👍👍
Thank you!
Thanks super video... i own a c33 mkii - and want the 500 mkii... big jump moneywise though :-)
Thanks for checking the video out! I agree it is a big jump. If you think the extra features will help you do your job more efficiently or higher quality then it may be a good move, but if you won’t use the extra features it probably makes sense to stick with the c300 Mark ii!
Great review. How do you like to monitor raw footage on your C200 when shooting raw? The lack of clog2 has made it a real struggle to create a monitor lut
Tyler Stalman thanks for checking it out Tyler. I’m a fan of your channel and the content you make. The way I typically monitor the c200 when shooting in raw is switch the color space to bt709 and pay attention to the waveform and zebras. I usually set the zebras to 5% and 15% and try to keep the bottom two stops empty (as long as nothing is clipping on top of the waveform). Crimson engine has a really good video on this. Unfortunately though, there isn’t a way to add a stylized lut to an external monitor and accurately judge your exposure. I think it is more accurate to use the built in canon lut.
Thanks @@GriffinConway! It's so frustrating that the output isn't straightforward on the C200. For example if using the CanonLog3 preset, whatever the signal is coming out of HDMI and SDI, it's definitely not log.
But the workflow all the pros using Alexa and Red describe is that creating a monitor lut they can trust is critical, but they're able to actually monitor the signal they're capturing.
It all drives me crazy
@tylerstalman right there with you! Super frustrating for sure and actually one of the main reasons I am considering purchasing the c500 Mark ii (you can monitor in clog 2 which is what the raw imports as in most NLE’s).
I’m not sure about all monitors, but I know the ninja v converts the signal to “video level” instead of full level which is what I believe the camera is recording when in raw mode. This basically makes it look more contrasty than the log image for some reason. I don’t know enough about it to accurately explain, but there is a really good article I found here:
www.thepostprocess.com/2019/09/24/how-to-deal-with-levels-full-vs-video/
Hope this helps Tyler!
Great overview! So just to confirm - the C500 mk ii does not have the instant touch to focus/tracking like the EOS R and 1DX or it does?
Thanks for checking the video out. Unfortunately the c500 Mark ii has “two-touch” tracking like the c200, not “one-touch” tracking like the 1dx Mark ii.
@@GriffinConway thanks. Oh that's too bad...
Thanks for this video! Great tips & insights!
FilmCrafter thanks for checking it out, I appreciate it
Your reviews are so good.
i seen your video about C70 vs C200, but in that you consider many things like usability and practicality. But i mostly look just image quality only. Canon placed c70 below c200. c70 launch price is around 5.5k were c200 launch price is 7.5k. The colors from c200 is way better. Also c200 has more cinematic look. So apart from the files size problem, i think c200 is best deal for 5.5k$. What you think
Great Review! Im still in a conflict of "upgrading" from my c200. May I ask what LUTs you have used? Keep up the good work!
Alexa lut with some real and orange. C200 is still a beast. I am definitely considering the c500 ii though!
I really don’t think the C500II is $10k better than the C200
I think for a lot of people it won’t be...but for those that will greatly benefit from the workflow and save time in post could make their money back pretty quickly
Really nice video, thanks so much😊👍
jeffrey fleming thank you Jeffrey!
Let me come work alongside you, lol. Columbus, Georgia sucks for film.
Thanks for that comparison. If you can compare the C200 with the 1DX Mark III would be nice🙂And in the future C200 to the EOS R5 when she is released into the wild.
fb & Co | Digitales Marketing I get my 1dx iii on Monday so I plan to get a little time with the cameras and make a comparison video for sure! Anything specific you would like to see?
@@GriffinConway Dynamic Range and colors would be nice.
Cool I will be working on this one pretty soon. Thanks for the input!
Thanks man! So helpful
Thanks Hunter, glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Brother, great breakdown and companion piece to the C500 2 review. Really helps let me know what to expect if I switch over. I know what you mean about the s35 v FF, just that extra level of richness. Have you watched Dark on Netflix? I believe it’s the LF , but to my eye I felt like I was watching my old Mamiya 67 contact sheets come to life. Made me want to move back to a larger sensor. I also like the ability to get anamorphics in there, does it natively desqeeze?
Thanks for checking the video out Christopher! I haven’t watched dark but I will have to check it out. I love the mini LF, that’s my dream camera. Regarding the desqueeze, you can choose 1.3 or 2x in camera and it will display it properly on the canon monitor.
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Great video, thank you for sharing.
Thanks for checking it out Sebastian! Glad you enjoyed it.
Great Vid Griffin but is it worth the 10k difference
Robert Dettling hey Robert, thanks for the comment. For most people, the answer will be no, it is not worth the extra money. The c200 is still an amazing camera for the price, but for a select group of users the benefits of the c500 Mark ii will make it worth it
I would've loved to see some outdoor DR test. backlit with some clouds in the back. I shoot a lot of my stuff backlit and wonder if the C500 has better DR. But watching this and the C500 video you put out I feel like there really isn't enough image quality improvement to justify the price. A decent chunk of the features I just wouldn't use and the lack of slow motion just makes this camera very undesirably for me personally
Ya it’s definitely lacking if you use 120p a lot. For me, I like anamorphic shooting and also full frame and mostly use 24p and 60p so it’s perfect for me. There’s not a huge dynamic range difference when shooting raw, but the shadows/blacks are much cleaner and the XF-avc codec is great when you want very similar quality but with way smaller files.
Griffin Conway why way smaller? Can you choose different compression rates? The XF-AVC in the C300III is 810mbit at 4K60 🤔
True the 810mbs for the c500 60p is similar to the 1gbs of the c200, but usually I only use 60p for about 10-20% of my shooting. At 24p it is only 410mb which is less than half the file size
Good thoughts Thanks Griffin!
Thank you!
Great video. I‘m a c200 user and not really sure if the upgrade is worth the cash. Could you shoot some outdoor side by side daylight shots? To see the difference in DR und overall image quality. Thanks man!
Eisi unfortunately I had the camera on rental for 2 days, one of which I was shooting a project all day so I couldn’t do any testing. I did manage to shoot the two cams side by side and they look really similar with the main difference coming from the sensor size and depth of field
Hey Griffin, thanks for a great comparison video! I recently purchased and have been using the C500 II for a few weeks now but can't for the life of me import LUTs. Did you have any issues with this? The menu page that allows for importing LUTs is grayed out and I was wondering if you might know what I might need to do to fix this issue. I've called Canon and they are looking into the issue. Thanks for any help you can give.
Brian C. Hey Brian, I think Charles Zablan from canon has a video coming on this topic. He posted something in the c500 Mark ii group on Facebook. I know the luts need to be made in davinci
@@GriffinConway Thanks for the replay Griffin. I'll head over there and check it out.
also one question, is it possible to shoot FF 6k on the xf-avc codec as well or just in raw?
Bastian Kempf full frame 6k raw is available, and full frame 4K XF-AVC 10 bit 422 is available, but not full frame 6k in Xf-avc
Deserves way more subscribers.
Thanks a lot Eli!
do you shoot the footage of c200 in ninja v ?
Hello Griffin. Is the Canon eos c500 PL The same as the c500 in your video?
Many thanks. Awesome content.
The camera in the video is the c500 Mark ii. I believe you are referring to the original c500
@@GriffinConway @Griffin Conway Yea, i thought so. I saw one second hand for around 3000 euro's ( Living in holland ) I make myself so excited to get on hold of one of these camera's! Been making videos back in the days a lot. And i love it. Now i'm saving money to get a really nice camera soon. At first i had my eyes on the Blackmagic and GH5. But i could not really decide between these to. Also i really prefer a ergonomic and robust body, And the Canon C versions just looks perfect for me! Also the many options and quility of the Canon is really really nice.
Btw. On wich hardware do you edit your video's? Im really choosing between a good PC versus a Mac. I personally think the PC is underrated for this kind of work. But i'm looking forward to the future and a Macbook perhaps lasting longer. Any thoughts on this? Maybe a good idea for a video if you havent allready haha. :')
I am in love with the c500. But 7500,- euro's maybe is a bridge to far, concerning that the c200 also delivers great footage. MAN, im stuck in the film making playground hahaha.
Any tips or advide on a young film maker is truely appreciated!
Kind regards and take care from Holland.
Why can't you just get a 1.33 anamorphic for the C200?
Hi Gear Zen, you definitely can. That is a great solution. I was more referring to the fact that there is no built in desqueeze and also the sensor is not designed to take a 2x squeeze like most of the popular anamorphic lenses.
Sounds like the C500 mk2 has more in common with the C300 mk2 than the C200
I would say it is like a hybrid of the raw capabilities of the c200, with the strong xf-avc codec like the c300 mk2, with the added bonus of swappable mounts, stabilization, full frame sensor, and and anamorphic capabilities.
Gosh... it's almost like the C500 costs twice as much. *Rolls Eyes*
Are you filming for DC? Why is the video so dark
Thank you for the review, Griffin. Quite good. I learned a lot. I enjoy your content as it is informative and well done.
Joe Berkeley thanks a lot Joe, appreciate the positive comment!