Canon EOS C300 Mark III Hands On and C500 Mark II Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- A hands on video of the new Canon C300 Mark III covering a lot of the camera's basics, comparing it to the C500 Mark II and testing out features like the new DGO sensor and 120fps 4K.
We’ve been pretty practical in our approach and are looking forward to seeing how the camera goes in more scientific tests, but hopefully some of what we cover here is useful to anyone who is thinking of using one.
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Note: Most of our filming was in DCI 4096x2160 but this video is UHD 3840x2160, so rather than downscaling the shots we’ve just cropped the sides off.
Cooking with Ollie - C300 Mark III 120fps Test
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Very nicely done! This is one of the most useful, practical camera reviews I've seen.
Thanks!
This review has made more sense than just about any camera review ever. Thank you!
Thomas Davies Cheers man
Exactly the depth he goes into was amazing. I walked away feeling very informed.
This was absolutely spectacular. Very well done, informative, detailed.... all boxes checked. Thank you for the work you put into this.
Fantastic no-nonsense review! Cheers mate
Abroad in Japan no worries
Happy to view this review! Thank you Dave and Team!
If you’re a canon owner this is a must watch. Well done.
Beautiful shots and incredibly helpful review thank you! This paired with a c70 is a knock out punch combo!
I love the full frame look of the C500 mk2, really a bummer that they did not include better slomo options with that option.
ao true! Why can the higher models not have at least the options that the lower models have? Just make the C500 II a C300 III with full frame and charge 5k more.. No, you always have to choose one over the other
This might be my next camera. Excellent review. 10/10
You are *AMAZING* thank you for your hard work. I hope Canon recognise your efforts. Thank you
The C300 is literally my perfect camera 😩
Hi. - just want to say thank you for talking about the things we actually use as well as some of the top-end features. A really good way of understanding the camera without the USP nonsense that the manufacturer spits out.
Like, testing out the lower bit rates - yesssssssss. Yes.
Thank you.
No worries, thanks!
Incredibly informative, learned so much about this cameras. SUBBED
! Exactly the review I was looking for. Thanks so much for taking the time it took to put this together. Thoughtful, pragmatic and just the right balance of info and eye tests. . Would love to see more of these from you all in the future.
Appreciate it!
Exactly what I wanted to see. I am in market for my first "cinema" camera body, away from hybrids and dslr, this is the sort of real life feedback we want!
Great review, thanks for that. I'd been agonising over upgrading from my trusty C100 to a C70 or this, in the end I've gone for the C300 mark iii. Looking forward to getting shooting with it in the coming weeks.
You still shooting with the C300 mkiii? Do you still like the decision over the c70?
@@juliancolavito5887 Yes I am. No regrets, the C300 mark iii is a fantastic camera.
C300 m3 is looking like the one to beat even vs C500 m2. Nicely done👌
EOS R5 > C300 m3 > C500 m2.... Canon, what are you doing?
@@CarpIXOYE What makes you say that?
@@Skrenja I think I was building on top of what Lover Of Tech said, plus the hype of EOSR5 at the time. Now we all know what a disappointment R5 is
Best video by far of all I watched until now about C300 mark III. Congratulations for the good work. It would be great to see a deep explanation and test about the dynamc range in skin tones. And compare it aswell with the C500 mii. It would be great aswell to see it in action with an Atlas Orion. Another cool idea for a next vid: it would be great a comparassion with a Red Camera on the dynamic range aspect and overall cinematic feeling (cause I think Canon right now has improved a lot). Great channel. New sub :) Cheers from Spain
M Private all good ideas. Thanks for watching!
Exactly the comparison I’ve been looking for. Very nicely done and thanks for the time and effort.
Youre very welcome
Excellent no nonsense, pro level video. Thank you!
Thanks for sharing! Loving my C300 M3
what a great in depth video. I've found with my C200 that in RAW the noise is huge. Even at 800 iso and ABB after every time I white balance and change iso etc. It's been a bit of a challenge for sure. Perhaps the c300 is the answer to that. I don't know.
Natural Gallant Bodybuilding I always found clog2 raw was pretty tough going on the C200 but clog3 was great. However then you aren’t seeing the additional dynamic range benefit. All of our shooting in this video was in Clog2 and it looked really clean which is good news
Damn.. I want this so bad, but its such a dodgy time to be spending heaps of money
@@grosskraft9305 ...and?
@@ancilm and what?
Use it to do a documentary. Call it "The Days the Earth Stood Still". No charge. Just put me down in the credits.
Yeah and imagine how much better ahead of the competition you'll be when this time is all over. (:
Excellent review. Wish all reviews were like this
Cheers man
Great review; you have a nice calm nature and delivery. Thank you guys ...
Swagger of Thieves cheers man
A wonderful review of the new C300 mkiii. Your efforts are very much appreciated. 😊
THAT DGO SHOTS DAMN
Woah... My jaw kinda dropped at 12:00... Was not expecting it to be that clean with noise reduction.
Matt Bastos Still think it gives it a pretty odd look to have that much NR applied so I’d save 102,400 for emergencies. Nice to know you can go there though
Wow. Excellent review...Thanks! :)
Really great review. looking forward to getting my hands on to too. Quick and very useful technicals.
You killed this review. I'm switching back to Canon from Sony and jumping into the C series cameras and I was on the fence between the C500II and the C300III and this, BY FAR, is the best review available. If you have any more information (before the $13,000 leaves my account to BHPHOTO) on the C300III please do another video. The DGO and the 120FPS @ 4K were the big decision factors for me.
Enjoy! Tried to squeeze everything I could think of into this review so nothing I feel like is missing before you take the plunge
Nice work. 👍 In Oz PAL with domestic lamps you need 1/50 shutter or multiples of, I guess. Thanks.
Great review - great looking camera
Cheers mate
Thanks for your really detailed Hands On. The DGO seems to really clean the blacks a lot. Might be my next cam😀
Marten Kählert Yeah when we were shooting with the LUT on we weren’t sure of the results, but as soon as we got it up on the computer screen the difference was really clear
I own a C300mkii. From what I've read online and contrary to what Canon states, it's native ISO is closer to 500. Again, this was for the MKii but it may be applicable to the 500mkii and C300mkiii. Who knows.🤷♂️
Literally C300mkiii is crushing all competitors at this price range.
God I so prefer these reviews to “hEy wHaTs UP GuYs!?” reviews. So thank you! And the inclusion of every bit of info I was actually after
In C300mk3 it seems they have introduced something similar to the dual gain architecture of Arri Alexa Alev sensor,
I'm curious to see how it works because I know there are some important patents in Arri cameras tecnologies that can't be violated.
This camera looks so great. Thanks for the thorough review.
Thanks for showing off the record times and battery life
No problem
I'm a little saddened that you didn't do a highlight roloff test, since that is where digital cameras struggle the most, and I consider it the most important aspect
Lee Brandt would have loved to but only so much we could squeeze into this video
Great video! Love seeing the footage & dynamic range from C300iii.
A quite note, with RED, R3D Code Raw, you can change the compression, 6:1, 8:1, 10:1, etc, but not the data rate, as it is variable.
Your footage is amazing, thank you.
Photographic elements Good point, should have said compression not the data rate. Thanks!
Brilliant review Dave! If you ever need an AC for productions down in Melbourne make sure you hit me up!
Michael Drowley cheers Michael!
At what rate of pay?
Krane Depends on production - but $90/hour or about $720/day
Great review sir. Great review of this camera. Talk about a performer. I didn't think the day would come that other brands would do as well as the A7S but that day has arrived. (:
Fabulous review. Any camera these days are amazing!!
Love the filming location!
Good video, best review so far. I was wondering whether you would go for the C300 MkIII over the C500 MkII if you had the choice again?
At the moment with the shooting Im doing the full frame is really handy so I'd probably still go with the C500MKII. But honestly I feel like either camera is a pretty great bet, so just think about what feature you need the most (120/180fps v full frame) and make your decision based off that I'd say.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus So, looking into the near future, would a C300MkIII and a full frame R5 cover all your needs for documentary filming? Also, really nice review - thanks!
@@PelicanNorth As a C500 mk2 owner, I'm considering going with the R5 as my high frame rate + gimbal cam. C300mk3 is a surprisingly good release
Great video bro
Appreciate it!
Great review. I have a question though! You said the DGO only works at framerates under 60fps. Does that include 50/60fps or not?
Monkeypixels yep works with 50 and 60fps
Super great review of C300! How does the C300 S35 crop factor affect your shooting compared to C500 FF? That's probably my only concern with C300 (and I cannot afford C500 as I run a very very very small production only). Thanks and once again - great review!
Thanks! I find the full frame really useful for interview setups especially on the C500MKII, but there are a lot more Super 35mm lens options out there which suit the C300MKIII. Combine that with the 4K 120p and the C300MKIII is the better option for a lot of users
Lots of good info, thank you.
No worries
Great video! Thanks for sharing. Do you find the shadows significantly cleaner on the C300 Mark ii vs the c500 Mark ii in full frame mode?
On the C300MKIII? It wasnt too apparent while shooting but as soon as we got it up on the monitor we realised it was a pretty big difference, even with the C500 in full frame mode
Tall Story Films yes sorry meant the C300 Mark iii (typo). Awesome thanks for the info!
Which one to consider for Feature film, I don't need more than 60fps as it's drama. I would love the presence of full frame, my two questions would be considering the noise floor and lowlight performance
Suppose C500 MK2 with full frame would have better lowlight but that's where we have noise in shadows, right (according to many users) would this be fixed in firmware by Canon?
Ragunaath Rathnam Id say anything in that department is unlikely to be changed in a firmware update. With 6K full frame the C500 is probably marketed more towards the feature film side as a competitor to the Alexa, but the C300 could definitely handle whatever you could throw at it.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thanks for the response, would like to ask, what would be the maximum usable iso in C300 MK3, considering feature film project?
Feature film are Super 35. And while we're on the subject, they're also shot in 2K.
Amazing! Thanks guys.
Loved this review/ comparison mate!
Thanks!
Looks like they added support of XF-AVC Long GOP and XF-AVC Proxy format to the C500MKii. Now time to figure out if FF is that important or if we'd rather have a better picture which might be negligible to the untrained eye. I feel that most will go for the C300MKiii because its not a huge change in workflow to those already working with super 35. Did going back to a smaller sensor make you feel any at all limited?
I've had a lot of time using the C200 and C300MKII so it was pretty straightforward going back to Super 35. Full frame is amazing, but the features they've put in to the C300MKIII are useful enough to make it a proper contest between the two cameras. I actually think deciding on what lenses you want to be using/can afford is probably a good way to help make the decision.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Makes sense. Cheers!
One of the best reviews ever on this youtube space! Please post more!
Also, I have a question! How does the canon cinema series c500m2/c300 m3 stand against RED cameras?
Thanks! It’s hard to say because all the cameras have their own strengths and weaknesses. Canon typically weren’t competing with RED on things like frame rate and resolution but that looks like it’s changing now.
Yes, I can agree with that point! But I am really looking forward to make a good investment in the a cinema camera! I live in Nothern India, here the RED/Arri is used a lot. But, no one care about the Canon Cinema line-up where as the results coming straight from a C500 is way better than what they are producing!
That's why I am confused, Should I go for a camera I have heard a lot about or the camera that has the market value around me?
@@Govvind333 Sorry mate that's a decision I can't help you with
Great review. The c300 Mark 3 seems like it's a nice middle ground but it's such a weird market? It competes with the FX9 in a way but after you get it rigged up, you're looking at almost 15K-20K.
Daymian Mejia Yeah the costs can add up a bit more with the canon cams. However they do have a few more higher end features than the FX9 which feels a bit more firmly aimed at a TV market. The internal raw and PL options for the C300III mean it could very easily be a feature doco camera or used in commercials in the same space as the Alexa, where the FX9 probably isn’t going to cut it
@@TallstoryfilmsAus
Very true. Thank you for the input. Certainly something I'm going to consider later in the year after RED releases their Komodo and Blackmagic (hopefully) unveils what they may be working on!
Guys brilliant review. Enjoyed it alot
Thanks for the super smart review. Great Job!
Blake Hottle cheers Blake!
Wow. Awesome video mate!
Thanks!
Good vid Dave! Perfect!!!
Thanks man appreciate it
Great Review, if you had the choose between the two cameras which one would you pick
SENOJ Productions Thanks mate. To be honest I’m loving my C500II and given some of my favourite things about it are the same design elements that carry across to the C300III, I’m pretty happy sticking with my C500. At the end of the day they’re both great cams so best to think about which feature you’ll want to use more (120/180fps+DGO, or full frame)
Thorough and informative review. Very helpful, so thanks.
Welcome!
Wow, just wow, ppl talkin shit about this camera probably havent watched any reviews cuz this camera is a fucking beast, if it was this vs the FX9 Im taking this thing every day of the weak. I did not realize how much canon has actually squeezed into this camera at this price range, yess there is cheaper alternatives but wow.
Excellent review.
Great stuff, Dave.
Cheers Neale
Excellent video. Thank you
Ultra professional review, thanks you
No worries, cheers for the feedback
Great video! Is it true you can't use the viewfinder at the same time as the monitor? Also don't you wish they would switch the audio level controls and the media slots around? Seems redundant having easy access to memory cards vs levels.
Monitor and viewfinder work simultaneously, no problems there. At first I was really annoyed that the C500MKII's audio controls were on that side, but then I got used to it. When Im shooting handheld theyre actually in a better spot for me around that side because I dont have to move the camera away from my body to adjust, and if it's a sit-down interview it doesnt matter too much. Less than ideal but not the end of the world.
Wonderful review. Cheers!
Hey guys. Awesome review. Does the audio get captured at 120fps? Cheers.
Thanks! No audio captured above 60p
@@TallstoryfilmsAus bummer! Oh well. Cheers.
I wish the c300iii was prised a bit more competitive. I can't justify it against the FX6 from a business standpoint now.
The FX6 is a pretty amazing little camera but if you're after something at the price point and want to go Canon the C70 is great. With the 0.71 adapter it effectively gives you the best of both in terms of full frame and super35
@@TallstoryfilmsAus I tried it a couple of weeks ago and the formfactor felt a bit weird coming from a C200.
First of all - thank you for a great review of the upcoming camera.
At 04:19 you've pointed "RAW 12-bit 100fps" - is it true? Because official specs saying that camera works in 12 bit mode under 30 fps and 50-120 fps automatically switching it to 10-bit RAW.
No worries and great point. It should be saying 10 bit raw for anything above 30fps that’s filmed in raw as the camera automatically switches to 10bit when you start going to higher frame rates
I legit just can’t decide between the c70 or the c300iii. Is the raw workflow worth it 🥺🥺
Just depends on what your needs are. As well as raw, the C300 is a bit easier to use on the shoulder with larger lenses as well as it’s got more of a traditional form factor. If neither of those are a priority the C70 is pretty fantastic!
Great work! Everyone was looking for this comparison 🙈 are you a little bit jealous that the C300 M3 does support 120fps..👀
Furkan Karaaslan It’d be handy for sure, but I get why the two cameras are different. At the end of the day just got to figure out which features are going to be more useful to you and go that way
Going from MK2, in-camera IS is a big change and something I am really curious about. Since I do a lot of handheld work, I've been using mostly lenses with IS. But you don't recommend using the in-camera IS with non IS lenses? Fantastic review btw. Thanks.
You can use the in-camera IS with non IS lenses if you want, I just find it introduces a bit of a smoothness that I can find looks unnatural. Not everyone feels the same way though so worth a test for yourself to see what suits you
Great review! Will the handgrip extension cable from previous C cameras work with the C300 mk iii? Any idea if you are able to bake luts into the footage?
Drescher Visuals the handgrip looks very similar to the C200 and has the same 3.5mm connecting pin and Arri rosette does extension cables and relocators should be easy. As far as I’m aware the LUTS are just for viewing and you can’t bake them into the footage unfortunately
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Wonderful thank you so much.
Great review! Thank you. I noticed a shot of the C300mkiii on your Ronin-S at 1:41. How did you find using it on a one-handed gimbal? Would you use it for a shoot?
It works alright but think you'd probably be better off with a two handed or the new crane gimbal that looks designed for heavy payload cameras
@@TallstoryfilmsAus thanks
Thanks for a great review. How did you find doing handheld shots? It seemed you were able to hold it quite steady.
Its got a great weight and size for handheld shooting. I've always enjoyed having that option instead of being forced to use a camera off the shoulder
Thanks for the informative video Dave! Subscribed!
Question: Do you know if there is a speed booster that would work with EF lenses and the C300mkIII's Super 35 sensor?
You're welcome! Re: speed boosters, not that I know of. As far as I'm aware speed boosters are always adapting from one lens type to another, there arent any that just take S35 to full frame. Could be a handy thing to have, but then again I've really hated using speed boosters in the past as have had some issues with them bugging out. Also it's not ideal to be shooting through another layer of glass if you can avoid it.
excelente review!!! perfect!!
Really great stuff, thank you for sharing! Quick question, and I know this my be a bit of a stretch. Perhaps you have any of those test shots you can share? I'm a long time Canon user and current C300 Mark II owner, and of course I'm considering the upgrade to the Mark III. However, I would love to have a go at some footage from the camera shot in the Clog2. Is there any chance you would be able to upload some of the clips you took from the C300 Mark III that I might play with in color correction?
Tyler Bailey shoot me an email (dave@tallstoryfilms.com) Happy to help if I can
Great video mate, Loving the look of the C300 mk iii - Do you know if the camera supports external raw recording, to an atomos or similar recorder? Cheers.
Brett Walker Not that I’m aware of. Canon have gone in on making the internal raw light the best bet for their raw. On the c200 people came up with adapters that would let you use an ssd drive in the Cfast slot, so it’s possible someone will develop something similar here
Tall Story Films thanks for the prompt reply mate, looks like I’ll just have to rob a bank for some more Cfast cards ;)
I'd like to know more about the AF. Is it really that good even when not using Canon Glass?
ja-ki dnb I have a couple of sigma art lenses that I like to use and have found they work great as well
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Is there some footage with those lenses that I can have a look at?
What lenses were used during the cooking promo? also, thank you for sharing your thoughts
Those lenses are the Canon CNE Primes. Think we were using an 85mm and a 24mm
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thank you!
Just curious about lens used for the cooking sequence to get that shallow DOF? Cheers! Great video
All of the cooking was filmed on a set of Canon CN-E prime lenses. From memory it was mostly the 50mm and 135mm
Do you mean 180 degrees shutter at 25fps instead of 90 degrees? Thank you !
Would like a Panasonic Eva 1 vs c300iii comparison 💰🎥
Nice!
Great video thought i was watching a Blackmagic video lol
Lovely video! Thoughts on the c300 m3 vs the FX9? Trying to make a good business decision as well as choose the best camera :)
There's a lot to like about both cameras, but personally my pick is the C300MKIII. I've always found it easier to get good results with the Canon series cameras and there are a couple of things about the FX9 that wouldnt suit the way I like to work. I also have a lot of EF lenses and personally have never loved having to use adapters as have had a few issues with them in the past.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thanks for the quick reply :) I'm definitely becoming more swayed with the C300... looks like a great camera to operate. I think I'll wait till more videos crop up and hopefully I'll get the chance to try both out. I'm just really disappointed with the lack of frame rate options with the FX9 and how slow it is to change, although I do love the look of the new venice colour science.
@@cameron.vickers Theres a few C300/500 and fx9 user facebook groups out there that could be worth a follow if you're after more info. Couple of other quirks with the FX9 Ive heard people coming across and the owners in those groups can probably give you some practical info about them.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thanks for the help! I've joined some forums to do some more digging :)
Excellent review on the Canon 300 III and 500 II - my question to you - for what type of films would you prefer the feature of 120/180fps or full frame?
mageefilms very much down to personal preference. Have a think about what your filming needs are, which feature you’d find more useful and what your budget is. That’s probably the best way to decide.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thank you for your feedback. I agree, it really depends on your personal preference. Like you I bought a C 500 MK II early this year and tested it since then a lot. 6K, full sensor ... the camera is state of the art. The only missing feature is the framerate (4K 100fps) of the new C 300 MK III. I think Canon should have announced, that 2 cameras were to come out within only 6 month time. Most likely I will get the C 300 III as well. - Wish you good luck with your productions!
@@mageefilms If you had to choose one, which one would you get?
@@Lafayettehillstudios After having tested the C 300 MK III definately the C 500 MK II. I prefer the full sensor over the higher framerate. The C 500 sensor to me is more adult. Hopefully Black Magic Pocket 6k will come out with a new low priced 6 K Camera with a 4K RAW 120 fps solution as a backup camera. Wouldn't be surprised. Canon C300 MKIII competes against the Sony PXW-FX9 - wish they had come out with a better and higher priced camera, perhaps C 300 III 500 II in one.
@@mageefilms Thank you!!!!
Really appreciate the info bro!
Cheers mate, happy to help
what you like more? C500 mark ii or c300 mark iii ? pls)
Vladyslav Milchenko my C500 has been pretty great so I’ll be sticking with it, but both cameras have a lot to like.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus I bought c500 II 3 weaks ago, and now they present canon c300iii and im big fun of 120 fps 4k. Now i dont know what to do(
Can you tell me pls big difference between new c300 and 500 not to mention that с500 has 5.6 K
@@vladyslavmilchenko3549 Sorry mate you'll have to watch the video for that info, there's a bit to go through
Hey guys, thanks for the great video, is there something strange about the 4K 100/120p bitrate, how come it is the same as 24/25p bitrate, when the 50/60p is double, is it conforming in camera and playing back at 24/25 hence a low bitrate, or is canon doing some sort of line skipping or something strange when it comes to the 4K 100/120p?
George Guille Photography No worries. At the higher frame rates the bitrate does drop down so you don’t chew through card space when shooting 120. But lower bitrate can also mean a drop in quality so just got to be ready for that. However we found the quality of the footage to be really good even at high frame rates even with the lower bitrate. Not sure about the line skipping.
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Thanks guys, cant wait to try one out for myself
Brilliant review. Stay safe. BobUK.
Great comparison! What gimbal are you using for the C300?
Andrew Mayo have been able to get it to work on a Ronin S, but looks like there are some new stick gimbals coming to market soon that might be even better
Sooo, it has better dynamic range than the C500II, cleaner shadows, allegedly better highlight rolloff, and is several thousand cheaper? Seems like Canon may have shot themselves in the foot a little...oh wait, that's the upcoming R5.
Would prefer them being competitive over lagging behind any day
@@TallstoryfilmsAus Oh, I completely agree. It's an exciting time to be working with this stuff, and especially seeing Canon and Sony trade blows that elevate both of them closer to the ARRIs and REDs of the world. After watching your review though, which was quite well done BTW, I find myself wondering why I would buy the 500 over the 300. Unless full frame is a big deal, which it is to many, I cant really see the 500 being the superior camera in any other way. Am I missing something?
Loud&Clear appreciate it. Having that full frame sensor with the canon ergonomics is pretty killer on the C500. It also can do 2 x anamorphic at a higher res than the C300 so if you’re delivering for Netflix that’s pretty huge. But if you’re looking for a solid camera with high frame rates and have already got yourself kitted out with S35 lenses then C300 would be ideal.
Great Review! were you able to fit a hoodman from the c300mkii onto the new screen? how did the monitor go with reflections when shooting outdoors?
The monitor is actually really bright when you crank up the backlight, I'd heard someone estimated it about 1000nits which is pretty good for on board. There's a bunch of different hoods that would fit the screen. Not sure about Hoodman, but Wooden Camera does some as well. Same screen size as the C500MKII so that helps
@@TallstoryfilmsAus The Wooden Camera 4"-5" Sun Shade fits great. instagram.com/p/B_kwBGBp1sS/