I have a Whistle (Atala) and weigh 95 kg. It has a weight of 27 kg and a battery of 750 wh. All together with the backpack we are a total of around 130 kg of happiness 😊. I can ride 60 km and climb 1700 meters in the dolomites. By the way... I am 65 years old
Personally, I don't want to run out of battery on a long ride, so on those long rides, power management is a factor. On a recent ride in Colorado I rode a little over 36 miles (just under 60K) on my Canyon Spectral: ON (900 wh battery) with 4,475 feet of climbing. I did most of the ride in Eco, but did use the Trail and Turbo modes when needed. I finished with a little less than 20% left on the battery. The E-MTB lets me range further and go faster that I otherwise could, but I still like to put in a fair amount of effort myself.
Dont know if many people actually do this and wether there is sort of name for that type of ebike riding already , but im trying to use the motor assistance on my Levo only when its really necessary. That means steep and technical climbs of course, but for riding beside that, ive noticed that even Eco often is actually kind of overkill and went to "idle" and rode my bike like a normal MTB for most of the time. The weight of the bike is actually much less of an issue than one might think, actually you barely notice the difference to a MTB after a while. I find it incredibly satisfying to ride an EMTB like an MTB , knowing that if things get really tough, or im just totally spent after a few hours, i still have the full power of the motor and a battery with plenty of charge left, at my disposal to get me up that climb or just home.
really? I absolutely hate riding eMTBs when they are turned off. But I also have a enduro bike with soft tires and I live in a hilly region with almost no flat parts.
Really? My E Mt bike weighs 53+ lbs. Riding it with the motor off is not a good time. My Amish XC bike weighs 24lbs. There is a difference. So you buy an E bike, and its satisfying to not use the E. I ride my manual roadbikes 160 miles a week which is very satisfying. The E is for fun, for me.
I have a 2022 Orbea Wild with a 625wh battery and a 500wh OEM range extender, last weekend I did 1700m vertical, 66km, and I still had a 40% battery left. I agree with the comment about that riding an ebike (or any bike) has to be done without battery savings but smart.
This full power ebike is the way to go. A few of my friend got SL ebikes but they would almost always bring an 2kg external battery(range extender) which kinda defeat the SL bikes key feature as being lighter not a little bit lighter to a full power ebike.
I would generally say the same- and I have a full power 750wh eMTB. But it really depends on what you use it for. I personally never do tours that take more than half of my battery and I tend to stay in the tour mode- so an SL bike would be fine for me.. but I wouldn't buy one because they are only a bit lighter while being annoyingly more expensive..
5500 ft of climbing 38 miles and Frodo Baggins on the other side of the hill. Good times. Drained the battery on a levo in 26 miles and about 3000 feet of climbing my Husqvarna has gone 26 miles 3800 ft and I still had one bar left 630 hour batters. rocky trails eat up batteries. Happy Trails 🎉
I own a Brazilian ebike, Caloi is the brand, with a Shimano motor, E6100, 504 W battery. The longest I rode was 135 km with 2300 meters of elevation. I had to pedal without power some kilometers, and arrived at home with 1 km left, meaning, no battery at all. Last weekend I did 97 km with 1680 meters of elevation, and arrived with 40 km left in the battery.
I'm 195cm tall, 95kg, I have 2022 Focus Thron2 with Bosch CX gen4 and 625wh battery... When I ride "gravel" trough fields it can go up to 120km far and climb about 500 - 800 meters... When I ride "forest" it's usually about 1700 - 2000 m of climbing on however long or short distance... I have the feeling that climbed meters are much more precise measurement for ebike than distance...
Great video! Subscribed! I have a 2018 Rad Rover and went 48 miles from Traverse City, Michigan to Sutton's Bay (round trip) and still had 15% battery left when I got back. Love e-bikes. So much adventure!
Last week I did the Hell of the north Cotswolds ride on a Cube SLT with the Bosch 750 motor. Including riding to and from the start point was 51 miles. And 4000ft of climbing. I’m not fit or strong in the legs but manage to ride in eco and tour mode only and came home with 32% battery left.
Great,i managed the 100km honc ,Spealized leov sl with a range extender,Eco most of the way.Turbo 5 times and trail a few times.I came back with 4% battery...
great vid. look forward to more sub 4k bike tests. As a hardtail analogue rider, im used to all day rides in the region of 8hr 90mile rides in the peak district.. fairly flat using old railway lines like high peak and tissington trails. hardly hardcore, but distance and endurance is more key for me
Currently looking to sell my regular MTB to be able to buy a E-Bike around this price tag myself, probably won't be this year, but hopefully for next season I will be riding my first E-Bike. My area is just too much climbing without a motor.
Fun video, thanks! my biggest e ride to date was 50miles, 5,860 ft vert, 92%battery used. some road, lots of demanding single track. specialized turbo tero 5, 710 w/h. Im 165 lbs or so with kit.
Hi, my Merida e-140 averages 37miles on its 630wh battery, rider 70kg but with full bike packing gear in front and rear pannier’s. I’m very happy with this and have recently purchased a spare 630wh battery which is also carried in the panniers, so with a range of a comfortable 70 miles I travel the off road byways, never been happier 🚲🔋🪫😄
Range all depends on hills tackled and how long you can stay in ECO. I just did 43.5 miles / 70km on hilly isle if wight with my Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro 625. I also suspect hard tails will go further as the efficiency will translate, although 40 miles on a hard tail won’t be for everyone (the PNW Coast dropper post with suspension is the best thing I’ve done to this bike.
Well okay, in reality it's more how much effort you put in versus the battery, which ECO mode caps on the bike end, but it's up to the human to put in more relative effort over the journey. I know it's taken my typical reference point of being at 50% battery and now I reach the same point at 73% battery after having ECO mode added to my options. Staying above the speed where the bike can provide any assist is actually the key to ultimate range ;-)
@@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v ECO either doubles the range on my Canyon, or darn close to it. It makes a HUGE difference, But at times ECO is almost as slow as a bike with no battery or motor.
Everything depending on your legs... You could ride more, but slower and use more legs. You could also finished half before ;) I have now emtb for one week and my record is 67km, 2411m ascent, and spend 55% of 700Wh battery.
Merida eOne Sixty 800 w Shimano steps E8000 with 504Wh (BT8010) battery at 89% health. I ride mostly Eco-Medium and occasional Trail mode and get about 60km/1800m elevation gain on gnarly trails. Thats more than I typically like to do...with 50km and 1500m I usually have enough :-)
Pretty much, if your going for max distance and dont want to hit limp mode in the middle of no where, ECO mode has to be used a lot. As an experiment I did a 55 mile ride with 4K of climbing on my Canyon with 900WH battery. I barely used Trail mode at all, ECO was it. The pedals really have to be kept spinning for ECO mode to work well. I did it, and still had 3 full bars on battery meter when I got home. But man was I worked, really worked. Which makes me think I can get 80 miles out of the thing. -------------------------------------- Next week 6 of us drove the e bikes to a great trail system, and trail mode was used all day, another 4000' of climbing almost. Only 1.5 bars was used but really kept the bike moving all day. Guess who didnt make it 16 miles? The guy with the TREK small battery/small motor bike. And the thing was slow on climbs with never ending switchbacks. But its a lighter bike. And hes not in the best of shape.
Last weekend I did a return trip totalling 1,824 metres 35.73km avg speed 7.4km over 4hrs 50mins on a Moustache trail 8, 625 w battery with 1.5 bar left. All the uphill in emtb mode. The bike weighs 24kg total riding weight 80kg. The distance wasn't far but with a steep gradient and difficult loose rocky terrain. The bike generally has more juice than I have.
i do have the Stance E+2 from 2022 with an 500WH battery...and i love it! (100Kg Rider) 40Km in very hilly terain with steep climbs..but up to100km on Bicycleroads or Tarmac .... if.i ride it to work... i just need to charge it once a week..😁
I’m 72 kgs and get 80-85 kilometres running 20/30/60 % , 1000 metres on a ‘19 Levo hard tail with your fork, STOKED to be out and about and getting distance. With an extra battery centuries,metric or imperial, are on the cards after a new hip a couple of years ago. Enjoy
I just got back from a 56k ride with 1600m elevation and 40% battery left on my Eeb, and it too was 'only' £4k. Plus, I've got 180mm travel so can send it on the downhills. You also had 155wh more than my bike has. Try a Haibike Nduro6 next time Rich, cheap and cheerful (and heavy) they may well be but give a lot of bang for the buck.
Cube stereo hpc 160 bosch 750wh, bike + rider + kit combination is +/- 105kg. Usually manage 25m elevation gain per 1% battery (in the alps). BUT, that does require being quite careful with the battery....rarely use turbo/eco only on flat bits and road/motor off on descents. Even on shorter rides though 2000m is no problem in mix of tour+ and emtb modes
Great real world review, ie not laps of a bike park, real trails. I suspect most trail riders would get more but definitely a good review of the electrics and and bike
22/23 haibike nduro 6 180mm front and rear !! My weight 97 rucksack 20kg bike 26 kg 750wh battery pwx3 Yamaha 85nm motor 70 miles with extreme hill climbs Properly best motor on the market 😮
I did skyline at afan on a 750 wh battery,i did bits in turbo,emtb and tour i ran out two miles before the end! Next time out i did it in tour no problems,it was 34 miles! But i have managed 40 miles (65k) in tour with 2% left! But then again iam 98 kg!
Interesting, I did it on a 750wh, 20% left on battery, I weigh around 85kg, I was swapping modes and using eco on the fire roads but not killing myself!👍🏻
@@RobHill00my mistake was on,y using emtb and some turbo,it didnt help that i got lost a couple of times due to me missing the ridiculously small signs 😂 i think i added 4 miles in getting lost! Second time around i did it fine and managed modes better👍
Looks like you had a grand day out. Crickhowell is lovely, just recently stayed at The Dragon on a brompton canal tour... and yes when in Wales, always watch out for the Nazgul!
2023 turbo Levo is a great bike my average ride is 5000ft of elevation and 23 miles. Mostly on eco but there is a need for the two different modes,especially down hill on turbo makes it way more fun. And still get home with at least 30% battery. Anyone in the market for an e-bike check out the full power specialized line there great bikes!
870 wh -61 km 2000m climb, easy and I'm 97kg and I do similar rides weekly with a 650 wh battery. Next bike though I'm looking to get a bigger battery 725 or 900 or so.
one thing I have noticed with EMTBS is that you kind of have to break in the motor. The first 3 rides always had way less range on my bikes- that might be a factor with testing new bikes.
On my Giant Trance E BIKE I rode 101 miles and still had power left. I don't use the motor on flats and downhills so can get many more miles out of the battery. it's a 750w.
I'd like to see a video comparing range depending on rider/system weight on the same bike. E.g. how much extra range would a 70kg rider get compared to, say, a 95kg rider?
I have a Reign E+ with the 625 battery and the 85nM motor I am under 70kg but the bike has 160/180 travel and is HEAVY lol, The last 10% of the battery is emergency only on a longer run as 10-5 is fast and as you said the last 5 is limp home its the lowest Eco and hard work after a long ride, having said that i have had bike session and would say 4000 ft climbing is easy without being stingy on the battery, I have also recently bought the 250 range extender, the triangle shape one so that should give 30% or so more range putting me in at around 6000ft or 1800 meters, I will have to see.
Great video Rich, I live in Monmouth so I know that area well and often ride there myself. I would still be interested to see the actual route you took, is it on Komoot? My favourite ride in that area, which I have done a few times, is the Talgarth Black which takes in a lot of the places you featured on this ride, it has an epic climb right out of the back door from Talgarth 😊 👍 the last time I did it it was logged as 55km and 1680m of elevation on Strava. My longest recorded ride was from Monmouth out down the Wye and XC into the FoD which was 66 Km and 1090m. I ride a Vitus E-sommet VRX with Shimano EP8 and 630W Battery. I am 75Kg.
I have the Giant Trance x e+ 2 pro, I'm 70kg, and I got 90KM on a wet and occasionally very boggy mountain route over the Pennines and back with 18% remaining. No range extender. But a was super stingy with the power assist and rode it like an analogue bike. I didn't use the battery on the road sections to and in between, only when I was close to home as I didn't know how far the battery would go.
Its a matter of putting hours on the e bike, to get a feel for how far one can really go. Im slowly getting it sussed out. Some guys I ride with are scared to use anything but ECO , they get back to the truck with 75% of battery left. I figure might as well use the power some if I paid for it. I already have Amish/Manual bikes I ride more than my E mt bike.
I got my 1st E bike an basic giant phantom E29+2 has a 500wh battery (70 NM) ( Have been doing loads of upgrades, to make it a lot better bike for me ) £££££££££££ left to upgrade is the forks to Rockshox or Fox / Brakes to Hope, and as not riding hard MTB routes, fit a Redshift seat post for better comfort. I road it the other day on a very basic gravel route and started out with 75% battery charge. Done about 41k and still had a couple of bars left after the ride. Mainly road in mode 2 and 3. ( Which is not a bad distance tbf ) Considering I am 89k and the bike is quite a heavy old lump ) I agree in your comment why ride an Ebike in eco all the time, as it is defeating the reason you got an Ebike in the first place ?
Just subscribed to your channel. After watching your "SUB £4000 GOLD" vid I decided to test and then buy a Giant Stance E + 2 ( next week - have to sort out tow bars and carrier first ). Finally... finally I am going to start my E bike mountain explorations ( in Snowdonia ). I was very interested to see how far / how long and how difficult an outing your bike was capable of doing BUT surely using the range extender just complicated the matter. I'm assuming your figures at the end included the range extender? If so, what did the standard attached 625wh battery manage? Isn't this the figure that would interest people the most? Anyway, keep up the good work. I look forward to watching more content when I know what I'm talking about.
I have a whyte E180s v3 Bosch motor 625 battery. So to try out how far I could go on it I went to Elan valley & did a 52 km loop with over 1000m climbing Used eco, tour most of the time, tour a bit of the time & turbo on one very steep climb. Now I have a second battery that I carry with me & I am looking at doing Nant y arian to Machynlleth & back
What % was Rich at by the end? And how far round would Rich on his own with a hardtail make it? And.... can you do a video where you ride it sparingly and see if you can go the full distance?
Think I can reasonably get 40 miles out of my trance with the 800w battery but I’m around 115kg so if you were being careful and smaller than me I’d think 60 miles would be doable.
Rich....what is the bike weight with the extender mounted? My Luna Cycle Apollo eBike weighs 54 lbs but has 160Nm of torque and an 1100Wh Battery....it's only sketchy on step rock gardens without a visible run-out. It's great watching you wring out an eBike to it's limit!!!
I think those 160Nm motors are 1000W and therefore don't fall under the category that is shown on this channel- you would need a licence plate for it and so on.. the limit in EU/GB is mostly 250W (also no throttle and max. 25km/h)
I think it's a little bit to much battery drain.I drove with my Husqvarna AM4 LE Shimano EP8 and a 630wh battery over 44 km 1300m altitude and had 13% battery left.I Ride all with trail mode 60nm.
is this the 2022 model? im looking at the same bike but can only find a really dark blue in 2023 AND the 75nm is putting me off seen a few more bikes with 85 so im stuck in the middle.. PS subscribed
Hm, he has driven 44 km and 76% of the battery capacity is gone, and now the computer is telling you that 24% battery capacity is enough for 54 km - who will find the error?🤔 If I think of my eMTB with 500W/h battery, I almost always stay in eco mode (and turned off when ever possible), a little trail mode and never trurbo mode and with 1.100m of climbing my max distance I can reach is about 50 km. To have an eMTB which is capable of 120 km and 2.500m of climbing would be perfect 🥰 For now I have to use my trusty old Vertex Rocky for those kind of tours. One thing I do not like about an eMTB is the weight (and sometimes the low ground clearance), in challenging terrain 25kg is way too much, if the bike slips or breaks out, you have to be very lucky not to crash. On a normal 9kg MTB it is totally different - it was one point for me to use flat paddles on my eMTB.
Hi EMBN-Team. As i am not from the UK, just a "non-permanent resident" due to the pesky familiy, i am not sure what kind of path/trail i am allowed to ride. Is there a video (or do you plan on doing one) that explains the different types of trails and where bike riding is allowed?
Hi Brauzeuge, that's a tricky one, we don't have a video on it but we'll try and explain. Bikes are allowed on roads and bridleways, not footpaths or pavements. Anything designated as a bridleway is good for bikes, horses and walkers. Then of course anything designated as bikes specifically such as bikeparks/trail centres is all good too and you can ride without fear of coming across anything else. There are a lot of areas featuring singletrack 'off-piste' trails, but these although being potentially built by bikers, are never guaranteed to not have walkers or other users on them.
knowing how unreliable it can be I think I will look at my battery health and stay with a 60 % rule ! with a 60% battery life left on my trip giving me a better chance getting home under electric power .
Being a giant, water ingress will kill it before the end of the ride. Then you'll have a battle with giant uk to get anyrhing done about it. Yeah, been there.
PEOPLE !!! Don't be like this guy!!! Don't push the battery to the limit !!! It is very bad for the cells !!!! Charge the battery before 20% if it is possible... !!! The range of the bosch battery gen 4 smart system is better
Such videos are useless in my opinion. Nice to look at, but without meaning. It would be more beneficial to look at it physically and measure the current in different situations. There are so many factors that determine how long the battery lasts. Above all, the person determines differences of up to 300% and everyone drives differently. For example, I can easily travel 160km with 1200 meters of altitude on my bike, while others have had the battery empty after just 90km on the same route/ride. Why? Because I made better use of the gears and support levels.
After watching for 5 minutes with no mention of the bike's primary battery size I stopped watching. Useless video without it- you guys are usually better than that.
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I have a Whistle (Atala) and weigh 95 kg. It has a weight of 27 kg and a battery of 750 wh. All together with the backpack we are a total of around 130 kg of happiness 😊. I can ride 60 km and climb 1700 meters in the dolomites. By the way... I am 65 years old
Great reach👍👍 especially for age!!
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Personally, I don't want to run out of battery on a long ride, so on those long rides, power management is a factor. On a recent ride in Colorado I rode a little over 36 miles (just under 60K) on my Canyon Spectral: ON (900 wh battery) with 4,475 feet of climbing. I did most of the ride in Eco, but did use the Trail and Turbo modes when needed. I finished with a little less than 20% left on the battery. The E-MTB lets me range further and go faster that I otherwise could, but I still like to put in a fair amount of effort myself.
Good to see some Giant love. Hugely underrated bikes.
Dont know if many people actually do this and wether there is sort of name for that type of ebike riding already , but im trying to use the motor assistance on my Levo only when its really necessary. That means steep and technical climbs of course, but for riding beside that, ive noticed that even Eco often is actually kind of overkill and went to "idle" and rode my bike like a normal MTB for most of the time. The weight of the bike is actually much less of an issue than one might think, actually you barely notice the difference to a MTB after a while. I find it incredibly satisfying to ride an EMTB like an MTB , knowing that if things get really tough, or im just totally spent after a few hours, i still have the full power of the motor and a battery with plenty of charge left, at my disposal to get me up that climb or just home.
really? I absolutely hate riding eMTBs when they are turned off. But I also have a enduro bike with soft tires and I live in a hilly region with almost no flat parts.
Really? My E Mt bike weighs 53+ lbs. Riding it with the motor off is not a good time.
My Amish XC bike weighs 24lbs. There is a difference.
So you buy an E bike, and its satisfying to not use the E. I ride my manual roadbikes 160 miles a week which is very satisfying. The E is for fun, for me.
I have a 2022 Orbea Wild with a 625wh battery and a 500wh OEM range extender, last weekend I did 1700m vertical, 66km, and I still had a 40% battery left.
I agree with the comment about that riding an ebike (or any bike) has to be done without battery savings but smart.
This full power ebike is the way to go. A few of my friend got SL ebikes but they would almost always bring an 2kg external battery(range extender) which kinda defeat the SL bikes key feature as being lighter not a little bit lighter to a full power ebike.
I would generally say the same- and I have a full power 750wh eMTB. But it really depends on what you use it for. I personally never do tours that take more than half of my battery and I tend to stay in the tour mode- so an SL bike would be fine for me.. but I wouldn't buy one because they are only a bit lighter while being annoyingly more expensive..
Really enjoyed this one! I like the idea of a range extender option even for 700-800kWh main battery bikes for all-day adventures.
5500 ft of climbing 38 miles and Frodo Baggins on the other side of the hill. Good times. Drained the battery on a levo in 26 miles and about 3000 feet of climbing my Husqvarna has gone 26 miles 3800 ft and I still had one bar left 630 hour batters. rocky trails eat up batteries. Happy Trails 🎉
I own a Brazilian ebike, Caloi is the brand, with a Shimano motor, E6100, 504 W battery. The longest I rode was 135 km with 2300 meters of elevation. I had to pedal without power some kilometers, and arrived at home with 1 km left, meaning, no battery at all. Last weekend I did 97 km with 1680 meters of elevation, and arrived with 40 km left in the battery.
I'm 195cm tall, 95kg, I have 2022 Focus Thron2 with Bosch CX gen4 and 625wh battery... When I ride "gravel" trough fields it can go up to 120km far and climb about 500 - 800 meters... When I ride "forest" it's usually about 1700 - 2000 m of climbing on however long or short distance... I have the feeling that climbed meters are much more precise measurement for ebike than distance...
Great video! Subscribed! I have a 2018 Rad Rover and went 48 miles from Traverse City, Michigan to Sutton's Bay (round trip) and still had 15% battery left when I got back. Love e-bikes. So much adventure!
Last week I did the Hell of the north Cotswolds ride on a Cube SLT with the Bosch 750 motor. Including riding to and from the start point was 51 miles. And 4000ft of climbing. I’m not fit or strong in the legs but manage to ride in eco and tour mode only and came home with 32% battery left.
Great,i managed the 100km honc ,Spealized leov sl with a range extender,Eco most of the way.Turbo 5 times and trail a few times.I came back with 4% battery...
@@fivestarsupplies have you got a map of the route for the 100k ?
@@richardprosser5026 via Strava yes
great vid. look forward to more sub 4k bike tests. As a hardtail analogue rider, im used to all day rides in the region of 8hr 90mile rides in the peak district.. fairly flat using old railway lines like high peak and tissington trails. hardly hardcore, but distance and endurance is more key for me
Currently looking to sell my regular MTB to be able to buy a E-Bike around this price tag myself, probably won't be this year, but hopefully for next season I will be riding my first E-Bike. My area is just too much climbing without a motor.
Fun video, thanks! my biggest e ride to date was 50miles, 5,860 ft vert, 92%battery used. some road, lots of demanding single track. specialized turbo tero 5, 710 w/h. Im 165 lbs or so with kit.
Hi, my Merida e-140 averages 37miles on its 630wh battery, rider 70kg but with full bike packing gear in front and rear pannier’s. I’m very happy with this and have recently purchased a spare 630wh battery which is also carried in the panniers, so with a range of a comfortable 70 miles I travel the off road byways, never been happier 🚲🔋🪫😄
Great, I have the same Merida and also bought a spare battery. 🙂
2020 rocky mountain powerplay altitude, 35 mile and 3500ft of climbing all on eco, 632 batt eco set at 44% assist, 28% battery left, great video👍
Range all depends on hills tackled and how long you can stay in ECO. I just did 43.5 miles / 70km on hilly isle if wight with my Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro 625. I also suspect hard tails will go further as the efficiency will translate, although 40 miles on a hard tail won’t be for everyone (the PNW Coast dropper post with suspension is the best thing I’ve done to this bike.
Well there's other factors involved as well. Rider input, rider weight etc.
how long you can stay in eco doesn't necessarily have as much effect as people think it does
Well okay, in reality it's more how much effort you put in versus the battery, which ECO mode caps on the bike end, but it's up to the human to put in more relative effort over the journey. I know it's taken my typical reference point of being at 50% battery and now I reach the same point at 73% battery after having ECO mode added to my options. Staying above the speed where the bike can provide any assist is actually the key to ultimate range ;-)
@@nomad-pq4yw8iy7v ECO either doubles the range on my Canyon, or darn close to it.
It makes a HUGE difference, But at times ECO is almost as slow as a bike with no battery or motor.
0r is part of that because you have to put more effort in so you do which is slightly different then just limiting power@@bradsanders6954
Everything depending on your legs... You could ride more, but slower and use more legs. You could also finished half before ;) I have now emtb for one week and my record is 67km, 2411m ascent, and spend 55% of 700Wh battery.
>did 67km on me focus sam2 with 35% battery left. But I only weigh 66 kg. Rider weight really makes a difference
Merida eOne Sixty 800 w Shimano steps E8000 with 504Wh (BT8010) battery at 89% health. I ride mostly Eco-Medium and occasional Trail mode and get about 60km/1800m elevation gain on gnarly trails. Thats more than I typically like to do...with 50km and 1500m I usually have enough :-)
Kudos to the whole crew ... keep up the good work
Pretty much, if your going for max distance and dont want to hit limp mode in the middle of no where, ECO mode has to be used a lot.
As an experiment I did a 55 mile ride with 4K of climbing on my Canyon with 900WH battery. I barely used Trail mode at all, ECO was it.
The pedals really have to be kept spinning for ECO mode to work well. I did it, and still had 3 full bars on battery meter when I got home. But man was I worked, really worked. Which makes me think I can get 80 miles out of the thing.
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Next week 6 of us drove the e bikes to a great trail system, and trail mode was used all day, another 4000' of climbing almost.
Only 1.5 bars was used but really kept the bike moving all day.
Guess who didnt make it 16 miles? The guy with the TREK small battery/small motor bike. And the thing was slow on climbs with never ending switchbacks. But its a lighter bike. And hes not in the best of shape.
Last weekend I did a return trip totalling 1,824 metres 35.73km avg speed 7.4km over 4hrs 50mins on a Moustache trail 8, 625 w battery with 1.5 bar left. All the uphill in emtb mode. The bike weighs 24kg total riding weight 80kg. The distance wasn't far but with a steep gradient and difficult loose rocky terrain. The bike generally has more juice than I have.
i do have the Stance E+2 from 2022 with an 500WH battery...and i love it! (100Kg Rider)
40Km in very hilly terain with steep climbs..but up to100km on Bicycleroads or Tarmac ....
if.i ride it to work... i just need to charge it once a week..😁
I’m 72 kgs and get 80-85 kilometres running 20/30/60 % , 1000 metres on a ‘19 Levo hard tail with your fork, STOKED to be out and about and getting distance. With an extra battery centuries,metric or imperial, are on the cards after a new hip a couple of years ago. Enjoy
I just got back from a 56k ride with 1600m elevation and 40% battery left on my Eeb, and it too was 'only' £4k. Plus, I've got 180mm travel so can send it on the downhills. You also had 155wh more than my bike has. Try a Haibike Nduro6 next time Rich, cheap and cheerful (and heavy) they may well be but give a lot of bang for the buck.
I did a 59km (900m accent) race a while ago with a 625wh battery in my older gen Stance +1. Finished with 6% left in 2h06m. 110kg rider + gear.
I did 102 kilometers on my Trek Rail 7 with 25% remaining in my 625Wh battery. Mostly on Eco. 407m elevation.
Cube stereo hpc 160 bosch 750wh, bike + rider + kit combination is +/- 105kg. Usually manage 25m elevation gain per 1% battery (in the alps). BUT, that does require being quite careful with the battery....rarely use turbo/eco only on flat bits and road/motor off on descents. Even on shorter rides though 2000m is no problem in mix of tour+ and emtb modes
My mate has one of those, they're great bikes and really good value. If there had been a mullet option, I'd have got one instead of my Haibike.
@@BigSmellyRangey yeah mullet option would be sweet
Great real world review, ie not laps of a bike park, real trails. I suspect most trail riders would get more but definitely a good review of the electrics and and bike
22/23 haibike nduro 6 180mm front and rear !!
My weight 97 rucksack 20kg bike 26 kg 750wh battery pwx3 Yamaha 85nm motor
70 miles with extreme hill climbs Properly best motor on the market 😮
I did skyline at afan on a 750 wh battery,i did bits in turbo,emtb and tour i ran out two miles before the end!
Next time out i did it in tour no problems,it was 34 miles!
But i have managed 40 miles (65k) in tour with 2% left!
But then again iam 98 kg!
Interesting, I did it on a 750wh, 20% left on battery, I weigh around 85kg, I was swapping modes and using eco on the fire roads but not killing myself!👍🏻
@@RobHill00my mistake was on,y using emtb and some turbo,it didnt help that i got lost a couple of times due to me missing the ridiculously small signs 😂 i think i added 4 miles in getting lost!
Second time around i did it fine and managed modes better👍
Looks like you had a grand day out. Crickhowell is lovely, just recently stayed at The Dragon on a brompton canal tour... and yes when in Wales, always watch out for the Nazgul!
Bike looked pretty nice too.
2023 turbo Levo is a great bike my average ride is 5000ft of elevation and 23 miles. Mostly on eco but there is a need for the two different modes,especially down hill on turbo makes it way more fun. And still get home with at least 30% battery.
Anyone in the market for an e-bike check out the full power specialized line there great bikes!
870 wh -61 km 2000m climb, easy and I'm 97kg and I do similar rides weekly with a 650 wh battery. Next bike though I'm looking to get a bigger battery 725 or 900 or so.
Rode 64k last week 930m of climbing on my whyte e160 750wh battery, 6% battery left when i got back.
I have managed 46 miles on one charge with a bosch 750wh whyte e160. It blew me away considering I'm not the fittest.
one thing I have noticed with EMTBS is that you kind of have to break in the motor. The first 3 rides always had way less range on my bikes- that might be a factor with testing new bikes.
I think it's probably more breaking in the rider to e-biking; learning how to use it :).
@@redgum-y2sthat and temperature would be my guess .
On my Giant Trance E BIKE I rode 101 miles and still had power left. I don't use the motor on flats and downhills so can get many more miles out of the battery. it's a 750w.
trance +2 (2020) bat 800wh 84km 2400 ac rider 60kg good laps 👌✌
I'd like to see a video comparing range depending on rider/system weight on the same bike. E.g. how much extra range would a 70kg rider get compared to, say, a 95kg rider?
Great video Rich. That’s a lovely spot to film in.
You’ve given me a good idea of battery range. The range extender was a must on this type of ride.👍
Great video. The bike looks a pretty attractive package for the money.
Canyon spectral:on, ep8/720wh. 2300m/56km, 100m battery left. Only eco mode.
I managed a full coast to coast. East to west coast of the uk on one battery. 625wh, Bosch cx motor.
I have done over 70 miles on my scott patron with a 750w battery from Bosch. Still have some juice left too.
norco sight i regularly ride 1200M and about 30km in boost mode on one charge.720w battery.
You would get further changing to low rolling resistance tyres , probably 10%more
I have a Reign E+ with the 625 battery and the 85nM motor I am under 70kg but the bike has 160/180 travel and is HEAVY lol, The last 10% of the battery is emergency only on a longer run as 10-5 is fast and as you said the last 5 is limp home its the lowest Eco and hard work after a long ride, having said that i have had bike session and would say 4000 ft climbing is easy without being stingy on the battery, I have also recently bought the 250 range extender, the triangle shape one so that should give 30% or so more range putting me in at around 6000ft or 1800 meters, I will have to see.
Looks like the 200Wah range extender battery. Not the 250.
Id like to see more boost more only videos. Maybe unrestricted videos as well
Be interesting to do the same ride on a half fat Ebike with range extender do you loose much range ?
Great video Rich, I live in Monmouth so I know that area well and often ride there myself. I would still be interested to see the actual route you took, is it on Komoot? My favourite ride in that area, which I have done a few times, is the Talgarth Black which takes in a lot of the places you featured on this ride, it has an epic climb right out of the back door from Talgarth 😊 👍 the last time I did it it was logged as 55km and 1680m of elevation on Strava. My longest recorded ride was from Monmouth out down the Wye and XC into the FoD which was 66 Km and 1090m. I ride a Vitus E-sommet VRX with Shimano EP8 and 630W Battery. I am 75Kg.
My best ride on my levo was 42 miles and 5400 feet of elevation gain.
I have the Giant Trance x e+ 2 pro, I'm 70kg, and I got 90KM on a wet and occasionally very boggy mountain route over the Pennines and back with 18% remaining. No range extender. But a was super stingy with the power assist and rode it like an analogue bike. I didn't use the battery on the road sections to and in between, only when I was close to home as I didn't know how far the battery would go.
Its a matter of putting hours on the e bike, to get a feel for how far one can really go.
Im slowly getting it sussed out. Some guys I ride with are scared to use anything but ECO , they get back to the truck with 75% of battery left. I figure might as well use the power some if I paid for it.
I already have Amish/Manual bikes I ride more than my E mt bike.
Get looking ride , Have you a link for the route???
I got my 1st E bike an basic giant phantom E29+2 has a 500wh battery (70 NM)
( Have been doing loads of upgrades, to make it a lot better bike for me ) £££££££££££
left to upgrade is the forks to Rockshox or Fox / Brakes to Hope, and as not riding hard MTB routes, fit a Redshift seat post for better comfort.
I road it the other day on a very basic gravel route and started out with 75% battery charge.
Done about 41k and still had a couple of bars left after the ride.
Mainly road in mode 2 and 3. ( Which is not a bad distance tbf )
Considering I am 89k and the bike is quite a heavy old lump )
I agree in your comment why ride an Ebike in eco all the time, as it is defeating the reason you got an Ebike in the first place ?
I've done 53 mile on a trek rail 625 battery with 4000 ft of climbing and not run out.
Just subscribed to your channel. After watching your "SUB £4000 GOLD" vid I decided to test and then buy a Giant Stance E + 2 ( next week - have to sort out tow bars and carrier first ). Finally... finally I am going to start my E bike mountain explorations ( in Snowdonia ).
I was very interested to see how far / how long and how difficult an outing your bike was capable of doing BUT surely using the range extender just complicated the matter. I'm assuming your figures at the end included the range extender? If so, what did the standard attached 625wh battery manage? Isn't this the figure that would interest people the most? Anyway, keep up the good work. I look forward to watching more content when I know what I'm talking about.
Pedal the final bit with no battery. See how it feels dragging the heavy bike around
I have a whyte E180s v3
Bosch motor 625 battery.
So to try out how far I could go on it I went to Elan valley & did a 52 km loop with over 1000m climbing
Used eco, tour most of the time, tour a bit of the time & turbo on one very steep climb.
Now I have a second battery that I carry with me & I am looking at doing Nant y arian to Machynlleth & back
having run a 2020 Stance E2 with upgrades drivetrain wheels and other things. I wonder how much more I got over stock range wise
Last summer, wearing my full face helmet, a wasp got me in my upper lip.
What % was Rich at by the end?
And how far round would Rich on his own with a hardtail make it?
And.... can you do a video where you ride it sparingly and see if you can go the full distance?
Think I can reasonably get 40 miles out of my trance with the 800w battery but I’m around 115kg so if you were being careful and smaller than me I’d think 60 miles would be doable.
Rich....what is the bike weight with the extender mounted? My Luna Cycle Apollo eBike weighs 54 lbs but has 160Nm of torque and an 1100Wh Battery....it's only sketchy on step rock gardens without a visible run-out. It's great watching you wring out an eBike to it's limit!!!
I think those 160Nm motors are 1000W and therefore don't fall under the category that is shown on this channel- you would need a licence plate for it and so on.. the limit in EU/GB is mostly 250W (also no throttle and max. 25km/h)
I think it's a little bit to much battery drain.I drove with my Husqvarna AM4 LE Shimano EP8 and a 630wh battery over 44 km 1300m altitude and had 13% battery left.I Ride all with trail mode 60nm.
is this the 2022 model? im looking at the same bike but can only find a really dark blue in 2023 AND the 75nm is putting me off seen a few more bikes with 85 so im stuck in the middle.. PS subscribed
Hm, he has driven 44 km and 76% of the battery capacity is gone, and now the computer is telling you that 24% battery capacity is enough for 54 km - who will find the error?🤔 If I think of my eMTB with 500W/h battery, I almost always stay in eco mode (and turned off when ever possible), a little trail mode and never trurbo mode and with 1.100m of climbing my max distance I can reach is about 50 km. To have an eMTB which is capable of 120 km and 2.500m of climbing would be perfect 🥰 For now I have to use my trusty old Vertex Rocky for those kind of tours.
One thing I do not like about an eMTB is the weight (and sometimes the low ground clearance), in challenging terrain 25kg is way too much, if the bike slips or breaks out, you have to be very lucky not to crash. On a normal 9kg MTB it is totally different - it was one point for me to use flat paddles on my eMTB.
Great looking bike in red seems like its unavailable in that.colour in the uk
Hi EMBN-Team. As i am not from the UK, just a "non-permanent resident" due to the pesky familiy, i am not sure what kind of path/trail i am allowed to ride. Is there a video (or do you plan on doing one) that explains the different types of trails and where bike riding is allowed?
Hi Brauzeuge, that's a tricky one, we don't have a video on it but we'll try and explain. Bikes are allowed on roads and bridleways, not footpaths or pavements. Anything designated as a bridleway is good for bikes, horses and walkers. Then of course anything designated as bikes specifically such as bikeparks/trail centres is all good too and you can ride without fear of coming across anything else. There are a lot of areas featuring singletrack 'off-piste' trails, but these although being potentially built by bikers, are never guaranteed to not have walkers or other users on them.
knowing how unreliable it can be I think I will look at my battery health and stay with a 60 % rule !
with a 60% battery life left on my trip giving me a better chance getting home under electric power .
Being a giant, water ingress will kill it before the end of the ride. Then you'll have a battle with giant uk to get anyrhing done about it.
Yeah, been there.
How big is the main battery?
BKXC did 57mi and 7500' on his Ripmo a few year's back, he wanted to see how far he could go until he couldn't 🤷♂
How many other brands use Yamaha?
We really miss Chris!
And now the question is. Can you drove this bike with flat battery.???
Did you swap your hair for a beard?
We are in Great Britain MILES...KM means nothing to me 😅
PEOPLE !!! Don't be like this guy!!! Don't push the battery to the limit !!! It is very bad for the cells !!!! Charge the battery before 20% if it is possible...
!!! The range of the bosch battery gen 4 smart system is better
Such videos are useless in my opinion. Nice to look at, but without meaning. It would be more beneficial to look at it physically and measure the current in different situations.
There are so many factors that determine how long the battery lasts. Above all, the person determines differences of up to 300% and everyone drives differently.
For example, I can easily travel 160km with 1200 meters of altitude on my bike, while others have had the battery empty after just 90km on the same route/ride. Why? Because I made better use of the gears and support levels.
After watching for 5 minutes with no mention of the bike's primary battery size I stopped watching. Useless video without it- you guys are usually better than that.
Wow 4k for a bike that's got the spec of a 1500 quid full suspension really not that impressed.
could you please speak slower so we (from other countries and slightly deaf) can understand what you're saying :)
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