Just for the effort you cleared the sky in the Driv3er universe and the few that made that too, there should be an award to do so. This is honest and clear journalism. Thank you!
Wait, Future was able to remove all traces of Driver 3 from the internet? They managed to break the "It's on the Internet forever" rule? I'm actually really impressed that they managed to do that.
Thanks for keeping the Driver 3 story alive - I remember this being a major deal in gaming at the time, and now it's completely forgotten. It's a shame too, because it seems almost too obvious these days that the same thing is happening with almost every heavily hyped game.
It's not the first (or even 50th) time Larry falls flat on his face when commenting on technical details. I just don't understand why he feels the need to keep doing it. He has clearly played a lot of games, but just as clearly has no idea how they're coded or how computers in general work.
@@RFC3514 I think he's just commenting because it's amusing at how butthurt you are by the joke Larry made. It's almost as if YOU were the guy who made the claim that the old game was written in machine code. 90% of the people watching this video aren't going to care if the joke was spot on or not. You're just making yourself sound like a really salty nerd for no reason. Get over it guy.
That explains so much! Someone I knew downloaded DRIV3R for PS2 using eMule. It played so poorly that we thought the disc image was corrupted, but it turns out that it was just buggy crap! LMAO
I like that, no matter how low grade the graphics on Krazy Kong were, they still made it a priority to give the ape nipples. Joel Schumacher would have approved.
Story time: Years before Larry made this video. I went to a video renting store and found driver3 on the shelf's next to some N64 and PS1 games. Driver3 for the xbox. I picked it up and someone in front took the CD case and traded for the game itself, and I checked it out to see if the game is okay or in good condition. I saw the CD completely scratched out like someone hated this game so much or salty for losing in the game, whatever it was and I picked out another game instead. Years later Larry made this video and saw how buggy the game looks. I think who ever scratched that CD was a hero so that no one has to suffer like he did. Thanks man.
@@Larry I forgot to add that in the same time as i got driver3 and then saw what happend to it. I picked out another game. It was Conker's Bad Fur Day. I never played the game and it had a sticker down below the game case that it was only for 18 years of age. I picked it out and wonder about what was this game like, a squirrel holding a beer. I ranted and played the game and loved that game so much, I ranted that game more then any other game. Still remembered to this day to me as my favorite game on the N64.
@@manshoe1738Actually a lot of heroes don't wear capes. Aquaman, Green Lantern and Flash didn't wear capes. Neither did Wonder Woman. On the Marvel side, Spiderman, Hulk etc didn't wear capes.
The point of specifying '100% machine code' was to distinguish it from commercial games that were programmed in BASIC. The assembled machine code game would run much faster and potentially have more graphical and gameplay features than something that was written in an interpreted language could offer. In the early Spectrum, Atari, Commodore and other 'home computer' days there were many games and even 'business software' released on cassette by tiny, or even one-man companies that had been written in BASIC. I think some of the problem with the screen shots was caused by the fact there were no easy ways to actually get pictures of games. Often they literally had to take a polaroid photograph of the television screen and this was amazingly difficult to get right with reflection and room lighting causing problems! I often made what would be called 'walkthroughs' today for my uncle and remember many times having to rig up what amounted to a mini dark room around the TV in order to get good photographs. This is why magazines hired people like 'Stu' to produce a hand-drawn artist's impression for publication in the same way a court-reporter does.
Nice! I was just about to comment on the advantages on a game being written entirely in machine code/assembly. It's actually pretty impressive, and would be a pretty significant boost to performance on such a limited machine.
Saying that you wrote a game in 100% machine code is more like saying that you're a professional Photoshop artist who uses a hex-editor to create a BMP file pixel-by-pixel.
While I don't doubt that those "screen grabs" from Nemesis are just drawings due to the artists name, they look much closer to the Gradius version here in the US on the Nintendo. I remember that game running fast and some levels being crammed with enemies. When I saw the pic with the brain supported from floor and ceiling it really sparked memories. Great video as always Larry. Hello you from the USA.
Yea those are screen shots of the nes version I think there's some plagerism goin on there too from Stu. Or maybe he had the nes version and was told the port will be the exact same?
I think the machine code thing makes sense... but only because I'm a programmer. By machine code, they probably meant assembly (instead of BASIC or something), which would have been faster if it were well-done.
@@randomxnp That too. I'm subscribed to a few channels from guys who used to work for companies that made stuff for 8 and 16 bit hardware. It's absolutely wild what they used to come up with in order to push the limits of the hardware.
Back then I think games written in machine code were considered of higher quality, because they can run much faster than BASIC code, if done correctly. It also takes much more skill to write machine code. I know of one commercially released game, Voyager I, that is written entirely in BASIC, and it says so right on the box. I gues they didn't want customers to complain that they were "tricked" into buying a BASIC game, or something.
Would just like to say Larry, as a near-30 British gamer, your manner of speaking, style and editing MASSIVELY remind me of British TV video game coverage of the 90s and I love it. New favourite channel!
Ah bless you Sir, I think a lot of that has influenced me yeah. I just think the style really works on the internet. Also a lot less jarring than constant jump cuts.
Don't know if you'll see this since I'm commenting on a 6 year old video, but I've been coming back to this video every couple months since I was a teen and I find it super weird that you haven’t received a larger following. Seriously, you haven’t changed one bit and you're still making videos that are just as good as your old ones. Probably don’t have to tell you this but keep it up, you’re awesome Larry!
It's sickening to think that today, these shills are on pretty much every single message board in droves, for a whole multitude of companies... and paid reviews are the majority now. Oh how far we have fallen as an industry.
What's truly sad is how there exists groups, such as the 'Babel Studio' hired by Atari, that can be hired as 'forum guerrillas' on official forums to handle controversy, not that it did any good for Future. But at least now you know that people being paid to manipulate public opinion on forums is actually a thing.
I realized while watching this that your video editing and graphics are actually amazingly well done. The quality of your videos are fantastic and the work you put into them really shows. I really appreciate your videos, and the pacing of them is excellent. Well worth becoming a patron I think.
+Ben Cheevers Thanks bud, I think it's worth putting the extra time into making one really good video, than spamming people's channels with loads of quickly made ones. But cheers dude! :)
Thanks bud, yeah, I've made a huge focus on doing videos on 100% original stuff that no one else has covered. Even scrapped a few scripts for that reason, but thank you for the kind words! :)
Little late on this thread, but keep it up Guru! Been a fan since I was a young pup (old pic there on the left), back in the ScrewAttack days of old. Miss that site, miss the community. Would love if you did a piece on the rise and downfall on ScrewAttack - though I'd understand if not, given what I imagine is relatively closeness with everyone involved.
The advertising part crushed my heart when I was a kid, we were poor and my dad didn’t make much money but scraped enough to buy me a console for Christmas when I was 6 and instead of a SNES I chose a Master System with Spy Vs Spy because all the images on the cover lead me to believe the game was entirely different than the crap it actually was.
The 100% machine code thing, on that platform, in that era, was meant to imply that the programmers were so skilled that they build a fully optimized system. Apparently, they mistook effort for skill, and had a bit of hubris, but in that era, it would have been reasonable to assume that most high quality studios would also use their own low-level routines, and have to customize them significantly for each game. So it wasn't actually a bad thing for them to say that it was 100% machine code. Normally, that would have been a sign of high performance than was possible with high level languages (at that time, not in general, and not now that tools many high-level tools are widely available and affordable). The "compiling" would have been done in the minds of the programmers, on pen and paper. The high-end machines which would cross compile only really became affordable during the 16-bit era and beyond. Game development kits and engines were not widely available back then, at least not in the west. This is one thing that gave Japan an advantage: there was more focus on development tools there, and especially on making development easier for the developers or "artists" as Nintendo called them when they developed the Famicom specifically to be developer-friendly. By intent, those developer-friendly features were removed from the international release (NES) and thus, they were able to flood Japan with all forms of experimental games and localize them externally, maintaining control over the means of high quality production. Back then, however, microcomputer manufacturers (besides Nintendo) didn't appreciate this, and thus, the major tool needed was a knowledge of the system, and ability to build system level code: equivalent to the "middleware" which we all take for granted now, on both modern platforms and through retro-programming.
1:50 - Actually, coding entirely in machine code can make a program extremely efficient. It's just a pain to do it that way which is why we have programming languages. Languages generalize common functions which causes some amount of wasted performance. These days the benefits of using a language far, FAR outweigh any extra efficiency you could obtain by coding in machine code but back then it could (theoretically) make a game run more efficiently on very limited hardware. For example, Rollercoaster Tycoon, developed by the absolute wizard Chris Sawyer, was coded almost entirely in Assembly (machine code) which was why it could keep track of 1000s of peeps and perform dozens of ride simulations on potato computers of the day.
I think what he was getting at is unless you’re a damn wizard like the tycoon king you’re machine coded game is gonna be a pretty primitive and not very sexy lol
Exactly. He was advertising the performance and his own ability to write machine code (for that CPU), which would be very relevant at the time to land a job with a software development company. It has nothing to do with gameplay.
13:13 Atari rushed the game to market... LOL! They learned NOTHING from E.T and Pacman.. You know the games they rushed to Market and nearly destroyed their company? Just a few years ago they did it again with Roller Coaster Tycoon. It's blows my mind that in this day and age major came companies continue to make this mistake over and over again.
Why should Infogrames have learned from the mistakes that another company made decades ago? Just cause the used to own the license for the brand-name Atari?
Guessing Krazy Kong wouldn't run in lower case because the ladders appear to be made of capital 'H's... Funny also how people complain about modern review sites overrating games when paid for reviews were so blatent in the old days.
"Funny also how people complain about modern review sites overrating games when paid for reviews were so blatent in the old days." I mean, the one doesn't invalidate the other. That's sort of like saying, "I can't believe people are complaining about that measles outbreak when people used to die in droves to smallpox." Yeah, one is clearly worse, but it doesn't mean that the other one is _good._
A lot of it is also due to the fact that a lot of game journalism relied on the publisher relationship to actually survive. So as a result, score inflation became a thing. They can't put a 1/5, so they put a 6/10, where it is TECHNICALLY a passing grade.
Oh man seeing old magazines like that brought me back to the demo era. When I was a kid I was trying for all the magazines so I could play the demo discs.
@@lucidattf I'm honestly amazed at how dense some of you folks are. You are aware machine code is literally binary, right? 1s and 0s? Imagine writing an entire game using no abstraction whatsoever, typing out instructions like "Push this byte to register X" using only binary just so you could do something as simple as store a number. It would be like trying to paint a beautiful piece of art in MSPaint. Or, more accurately in my opinion, it would be like trying to paint a beautiful piece of art by manually typing out each RGB code and pixel position using a text editor. Games don't run in editing software; machine code being fast has no relevance here.
Who knows, perhaps they actually made the game out of assembly, it's a barebone simple game anyway, a single person made roller coaster tycoon in assembly but he was a lunatic
+Larry Bundy Jr I put it up to the internet being a much younger place back then, combined with no-one outside the industry giving it the least bit of credit.
Thalanox Absolutely, there's be tons of people archiving it on Reddit and making videos about it on TH-cam, it would be ten times bigger than it was back then, even more so if they were caught trying to hide it.
Having worked in Quality Assurance for Electronic Arts Canada on the Need for Speed series for 3 years in the late 90s/early 2000s I can say that the release version of Driver 3 wouldnt even qualify as an ALPHA build at EAC, the amount of tearing, texture holes, incomplete animation etc etc etc. were at the stage that our developers would first start sending MILESTONE builds to QA to look at, where they didn't even need our feedback to tell them the sheer amount of bugs and missing features, it was just to organize them in a database. It would be 3-5 months after that before anything approaching beta and golden builds would be coming our way, crap on EA all you like (and you have many reasons to) but EAC would have NEVER allowed anything that unholy to launch no matter what it cost with head office. They would cancel or restart development first.
“Machine code” is actually much much harder to work with than a modern programming language. Machine code is used for better technical performance. That said, I’m pretty sure all NES games were written in machine code.
No. NES games were not written in machine code. It used assembly for the MOS 6502. Looks like a lot of people in the comments don’t see the difference between machine code and assembly...
Wow, i used to send reviews to Future around ‘99 i was after a job there! I also owned a ZX Spectrum and can say with fair reason, that many many of it games where utter GASH and to read the way old CG magazines used to write about the ‘mind-blowing’ graphics is really charming to me. These vids are awesome Larry, you’re helping preserve all these lost tales of the crazy and wholly less regulated age of gaming.
I'm not at all surprised by the revelation of "pay for play" reviews with guaranteed "9 out of 10" scores. I'm certain this still happens today and frequently. I play games that have been reviewed highly and I wonder if the reviewer even played the game they reviewed. Of course it would be one thing if it were just a matter of taste and personal preference but, seriously, I can't believe it's the same game they're talking about and I'm playing. Trusted reviews are quite hard to find in my experience (over 30 years worth). The Driv3r incident is new to me. I'm amazed they were able to bury it so effectively in the Age of the Web. Makes you wonder what else has been buried... I never played any of the Driver games but the whole story sure sounds familiar and seems to be repeated rather more often than most people talk about. For some reason corruption seems to be expected these days. Aren't corporations great? I bet the programmers were ticked off and embarrassed as heck.
that official reply from the writer was stupid, he could've literally just said "we were told that the review copy was an early build and to disregard all bugs/jank as they would be addressed and fixed for the final release, so we reviewed it as such, blame atari, not us"
Funny, I remember that the german magazin gamepro did excactly that. They gave Driver 3 86% (if i remember correctly) and stateted that they used an early build. Was suspicious even back then.
@@florianmeier9943 yeah, its not even a case of hindsight being 20-20, because that's exactly what happened, maybe they were trying to avoid biting the hand that feeds them but driv3r had already released by then, so its not like they were being paid to keep quiet
I played Driver 3 for Xbox at the time. It wasn't glitchy for me but the AI was really bad. Still I actually liked it and had fun because it was the first driver to let you use weapons. My guilty pleasure! haha.
In the part about Krazy Kong you mention the claim in the advert that it was 100% machine code. This claim was made because, at the time, many games were released, partially or completely, in BASIC (an interpreted language) which made them a lot more 'clunky'. Machine code is much more time consuming to program in, and much harder to de-bug, but resulted in a faster and more responsive game. Of course there are good and bad machine code programs too......
It's crazy lol I haven't played Driver in years, and my memory is shit, but one thing I always instantly recognize and remember. Jericho, that trench coat and dual sawed off shotguns will be something I seemingly never forget. I'll have to keep that in mind if I end up with dementia, maybe it can help me somehow😂
Something similar to to the whole drivergate thing was Toms Hardware and their dishonest review of the Geforce 4 Ti 4400 and 4600. They have managed to almost completely scrub it from the internet and since it happened 20 years ago, most of the younger folks have no idea it happened. NVidia was getting ready to launch the Geforce 4 TI series. ATI typically had better hardware but many games were optimized for NVidia and ATI didn't have the best drivers but there was stiff competition. The Radeon 8500 was pretty popular and the R300 chip(Radeon 9700pro) was just around the corner and there was much speculation that it would be the new performance king. Tom's Hardware was plastered with NVidia banner ads and they started posting the most loving reviews of the new high end NVidias. The benchmarks were very impressive and it seemed like a no brainier. Then it released. The fan was an absolute screamer, my friend had a computer room upstairs and I could hear it downstairs in the kitchen if the television was off. It sucked power, ran hot, and was ridiculously loud. Then people started noticing that They couldn't replicate the benchmark numbers that Tom's Hardware posted. Neither could the other review sites. As it got mentioned in the forums, mods began banning people. Not just new accounts but ones with 5000 or even 100000+ posts. If someone asked "Where is [insert name]", they would be permabanned. You could no even allude to there being an issue or you would be banned. They were banning people who were on other forums talking about it. The ones who used the same name on multiple sites. It was bad. They scattered most of the community. We would chat on DSLReports and sites like that and people were getting banned for the most petty reasons. They quietly took their false reviews down and I was surprised to see that about 5 or 6 years later, I could find almost nothing about it. There is even less now. This was a big deal in the pc gaming and pc builders circles but there is little to nothing left out there. I still to this day avoid that site like the plague. Also, the Radeon 9700pro own the performance crown over the TI4600. The Radeon8500 was close enough in performance to the TI4400 while being much cheaper that it was the popular mid-tier.
I’m doing a class where we write assembly code (which is sort of the step between machine code and high level human-friendly code like c++.) If I wrote a game in machine code I’d probably brag about it too because that’d be hard. But I’d brag about it in the same way I might brag about any of the useless things I do
He was basically advertising the game's _performance,_ and advertising himself to game development studios. It's totally unrelated to the gameplay, and was far from an "irrelevant detail" at the time.
these videos bring back so many sweet childhood memories.. got a zx spectrum in 83 and "upgraded" to a amstrad cpc 464 in 85. ive been watching quite a few of your vids with these old school games / stories.. getting such a wierd cozy feeling everytime i see a game i use to play 30+ years ago. cheers from denmark
"Funnily enough, the quality of the graphics matches the difficulty of the level." Hahahah, wow. They are either next-level reviewing on concepts in a way I've never even considered, or they're stringing random gaming-related words into sentences, I can't tell which.
What a coincidence! You watch this show and you see your own post on this channel! If anyone wants to say he could be a fake: that yt account is from 2007
Going back and rewatching the Fact Hunt playlist in hopes that it will invoke a new video to be posted from a healthy and happy Guru Larry Jr. 😄👍 I remember when I was young I used to hate how cool Atari and NES game covers looked compared to in game appearances, for a time I would judge games on hot different they looked and felt compared to the cover.😅
The more I hear about the corruption in VG magazines from back in the day, the more I respect EGM. They never sold out, never corrupted their morals, and always kept their integrity. That's no easy task, especially considering what every other mag was doing at the time.
I remember a very different Driver 3... sure, it had some issues, especially regarding the physics engine, or lack thereof, but the quality overall quality and glitches shown in the video were something I never encountered. I have the PS2 version.
I remember having a lot of fun with the game when it came out; I was a huge driver fan and still am today. I recently went back and found my old copy and played it. Then I remembered why I had so much fun. I was one of those kids who made their own games within games and in this case it was purposely finding creative ways to glitch out the game and break the physics in strange ways. One of the funniest was getting a semi truck, attaching a trailer then watching things bug out as the thing swung around wildly in traffic. It was a buggy mess, yes, but I happily played through it only getting frustrated a few times with some of the bugs and the rest of the time laughing at the absurdity.
I find this really funny because I only played the first Driver, but ended up with a rental copy so damaged that every other frame skipped, so I never touched the Driver series.
Really, this is the first video to talk about certain events related to a game from 2004?! I'm not questioning the truthfulness of the video, I'm just genuinely amazed. I thought it was impossible to remove something from the internet for such a long time...
+Uji Jagtiger Well since it's here now... The internet clearly didn't forget. Making this a bad example for the internet forgetting things. But they did quite an amazing job at making it almost forget that it happened. If only they had put that much effort in the actual game.
Nah, I'm sure you'll be fine. Digital Homicide is no more and its website (now called Loot Toot Games) is a proof of that. Plus the delusional brothers have since stopped dicking around as far as I know.
Hopefully they are safely in a padded cell somewhere, other wise I hope Jim Sterling is locking his doors and windows as those guys are completely bonkers and I wouldn't put it past them to take the digital out of homicide.
Loving the intros to these episodes, so many great Amiga gaming memories... Shame that there isn't much talk about Amiga games on TH-cam, thank god for you Guru Larry!
Larry Bundy Jr Yo Larry, what was the music at 1:00? it was when you where talking about krazy kong. i cant remember what it was but i know i heard it a decade ago.
I didn't even know there was a third Driver game until just now. I make my friend play terrible games all the time while I watch and laugh. I think I need to buy this now.
As someone who has tried to learn both old school game programming and Photoshop programs (and used to only make sprites in MS Paint), that Machine Code joke made me laugh WAY harder than it should have!
This video is the primary source for anything regarding the "Driv3rgate" scandal. That's actually kind of sad, since this shouldn't have to hold that responsibility.
I think the first review of Driv3r I saw was one of those corrupted 9/10 reviews. I got the game the week it came out. I loved it. It was buggy sometimes but ran well 95% of the time. Free drive mode + cheats + being 11 when I got it = a good experience. May 27, 2020 8:19 am
Lies. None of these controversies were about ethics in journalism--they were about making women leave the gaming industry through a concentrated campaign of threats and harassment. I expected better from you, Larry. I mean, excellent video as always, and I learned something new, as usual. :)
+Jimmy Hapa (Import Gaming FTW!) Nope, that's just how game journalists spun it, and it worked because people like you believe it - what better way for them to cover up the movement meant to expose their corruption? As I'm sure you know, all kinds of journalists, certainly not just gaming ones, have the power to twist stories to suit their narratives and make people listen and believe. In fact, I think this video is a very effective showcase of how gaming journalism has always had corruption, no?
+Tenshi Cat (Collision) I have no idea where people got the idea that it was a sexist movement. I mean, it's not like they had guys like Milo or Matt Forney being a guest of honor at their events, right?
+Matt McKinney Kind of amazing/horrifying that such a scandal could be purged. Ah well, the internet has far too many eyes and ears to allow that to happen again.
"We're never advertise with you again if you post it!' '...You never advertised with us before...' "...I...uh... we'll NEVER EVER advertise with you again!'
At least in those days you could take a crap game back to the shop for a refund... no questions asked... up to 2 weeks, a full 14 days after purchase. I know people that got games, completed them and took them back for a full refund. It wasn't until around the launch of the 360 or possibly the PS3 that the refund policy changed.
People completing games and then returning them is the exact reason the refund policy changed, those people you know are scumbags who took advantage of the system and are the reason we can't have nice things.
LMAO 18:04 Of all the bugs I've seen in this video, this one cracks me up the most - a spontaneous mass suicide of NPCs; presumably because they'd suddenly developed self-awareness and realised they were in Driver 3. Can't argue with that logic, really.
Just for the effort you cleared the sky in the Driv3er universe and the few that made that too, there should be an award to do so. This is honest and clear journalism. Thank you!
You are most welcome! It was a great story, I'm just amazed no one else has covered it before.
Wait, Future was able to remove all traces of Driver 3 from the internet? They managed to break the "It's on the Internet forever" rule? I'm actually really impressed that they managed to do that.
It didnt last though. Thanks to Larry :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driver_3#.22DRIV3Rgate.22
To be fair this was mid-200s internet. I imagine it would be a bit harder nowadays.
@@shadowhunter9976still pretty impressive for how big of a backlash it was…. Kinda similar to cyberpunk a few years ago haha
17:21 The real question is: were they _high-resolution_ guerillas?
*rimshot*
Thanks for keeping the Driver 3 story alive - I remember this being a major deal in gaming at the time, and now it's completely forgotten. It's a shame too, because it seems almost too obvious these days that the same thing is happening with almost every heavily hyped game.
I loved driv3r
Ah yes, my favorite video game character, “Running and Jumping Man”
Writing a game in "machine code" means it runs as fast as it possibly can. This used to be extremely important decades ago.
It's not the first (or even 50th) time Larry falls flat on his face when commenting on technical details. I just don't understand why he feels the need to keep doing it. He has clearly played a lot of games, but just as clearly has no idea how they're coded or how computers in general work.
@@RFC3514 some of us don't really care
@Giordan Diodato - You clearly cared enough to read a comment about it, read a reply to _that_ comment, and post a reply to that reply.
@@RFC3514 I think he's just commenting because it's amusing at how butthurt you are by the joke Larry made. It's almost as if YOU were the guy who made the claim that the old game was written in machine code. 90% of the people watching this video aren't going to care if the joke was spot on or not. You're just making yourself sound like a really salty nerd for no reason. Get over it guy.
And yet (by your own logic) you're in the 10% who did care, otherwise you wouldn't have read this thread, let alone replied, "Rachel"...
That explains so much! Someone I knew downloaded DRIV3R for PS2 using eMule. It played so poorly that we thought the disc image was corrupted, but it turns out that it was just buggy crap! LMAO
I like that, no matter how low grade the graphics on Krazy Kong were, they still made it a priority to give the ape nipples.
Joel Schumacher would have approved.
Story time: Years before Larry made this video. I went to a video renting store and found driver3 on the shelf's next to some N64 and PS1 games. Driver3 for the xbox. I picked it up and someone in front took the CD case and traded for the game itself, and I checked it out to see if the game is okay or in good condition. I saw the CD completely scratched out like someone hated this game so much or salty for losing in the game, whatever it was and I picked out another game instead. Years later Larry made this video and saw how buggy the game looks. I think who ever scratched that CD was a hero so that no one has to suffer like he did. Thanks man.
I guess people are right when they say that not all heroes wear capes
someone did you a favor there then :D
@@Larry they sure did! :D
@@Larry I forgot to add that in the same time as i got driver3 and then saw what happend to it. I picked out another game. It was Conker's Bad Fur Day. I never played the game and it had a sticker down below the game case that it was only for 18 years of age. I picked it out and wonder about what was this game like, a squirrel holding a beer. I ranted and played the game and loved that game so much, I ranted that game more then any other game. Still remembered to this day to me as my favorite game on the N64.
@@manshoe1738Actually a lot of heroes don't wear capes.
Aquaman, Green Lantern and Flash didn't wear capes. Neither did Wonder Woman. On the Marvel side, Spiderman, Hulk etc didn't wear capes.
"Ever since the day the left bat in Pong was accused of misogyny"
I love you Larry
The point of specifying '100% machine code' was to distinguish it from commercial games that were programmed in BASIC. The assembled machine code game would run much faster and potentially have more graphical and gameplay features than something that was written in an interpreted language could offer.
In the early Spectrum, Atari, Commodore and other 'home computer' days there were many games and even 'business software' released on cassette by tiny, or even one-man companies that had been written in BASIC.
I think some of the problem with the screen shots was caused by the fact there were no easy ways to actually get pictures of games. Often they literally had to take a polaroid photograph of the television screen and this was amazingly difficult to get right with reflection and room lighting causing problems! I often made what would be called 'walkthroughs' today for my uncle and remember many times having to rig up what amounted to a mini dark room around the TV in order to get good photographs. This is why magazines hired people like 'Stu' to produce a hand-drawn artist's impression for publication in the same way a court-reporter does.
Nice! I was just about to comment on the advantages on a game being written entirely in machine code/assembly. It's actually pretty impressive, and would be a pretty significant boost to performance on such a limited machine.
Saying that you wrote a game in 100% machine code is more like saying that you're a professional Photoshop artist who uses a hex-editor to create a BMP file pixel-by-pixel.
It wouldn’t be Atari if they weren’t committing suicide via rushing games out
thats funny, that story behind Driver III is just common practice now. True Pioneers.
If a publisher came to me saying anything like "give us 9/10 and you can have the exclusive", my first response would be "why? Whats wrong with it?"
If I was a reviewer and they did that I’d definitely refuse and have my review be “they tried to bribe me”
As always, well researched and almost unknown yet important part of gaming history. LB, you the man.
+noisyturtle Cheers bud! I think people get a kick out of learning something new really :)
The Peter Molyneux jokes never get old. Lol
Just as he said "the worst is yet to come..." I got a Fortnite ad.
*Accurate.*
*F A R T N U T*
I don't play Fortnite but it's not a bad game.
Holy shit that’s funny
@@cardioandfriends F A R T N U T
While I don't doubt that those "screen grabs" from Nemesis are just drawings due to the artists name, they look much closer to the Gradius version here in the US on the Nintendo. I remember that game running fast and some levels being crammed with enemies. When I saw the pic with the brain supported from floor and ceiling it really sparked memories. Great video as always Larry. Hello you from the USA.
Yea those are screen shots of the nes version I think there's some plagerism goin on there too from Stu. Or maybe he had the nes version and was told the port will be the exact same?
I think the machine code thing makes sense... but only because I'm a programmer.
By machine code, they probably meant assembly (instead of BASIC or something), which would have been faster if it were well-done.
@@randomxnp That too. I'm subscribed to a few channels from guys who used to work for companies that made stuff for 8 and 16 bit hardware. It's absolutely wild what they used to come up with in order to push the limits of the hardware.
Back then I think games written in machine code were considered of higher quality, because they can run much faster than BASIC code, if done correctly. It also takes much more skill to write machine code.
I know of one commercially released game, Voyager I, that is written entirely in BASIC, and it says so right on the box. I gues they didn't want customers to complain that they were "tricked" into buying a BASIC game, or something.
Would just like to say Larry, as a near-30 British gamer, your manner of speaking, style and editing MASSIVELY remind me of British TV video game coverage of the 90s and I love it. New favourite channel!
Ah bless you Sir, I think a lot of that has influenced me yeah. I just think the style really works on the internet. Also a lot less jarring than constant jump cuts.
So it seems that nothing has changed with games journalism.
Oh, you're going to love a future video I've got lined up!!!
@@Larry looking forward to it ;)
Don't know if you'll see this since I'm commenting on a 6 year old video, but I've been coming back to this video every couple months since I was a teen and I find it super weird that you haven’t received a larger following. Seriously, you haven’t changed one bit and you're still making videos that are just as good as your old ones. Probably don’t have to tell you this but keep it up, you’re awesome Larry!
It's sickening to think that today, these shills are on pretty much every single message board in droves, for a whole multitude of companies... and paid reviews are the majority now. Oh how far we have fallen as an industry.
What's truly sad is how there exists groups, such as the 'Babel Studio' hired by Atari, that can be hired as 'forum guerrillas' on official forums to handle controversy, not that it did any good for Future. But at least now you know that people being paid to manipulate public opinion on forums is actually a thing.
+Lewis Wilkinson Proof that Babel and Babylon still mean Evil even today.
#comeoutofhermypeople
I realized while watching this that your video editing and graphics are actually amazingly well done. The quality of your videos are fantastic and the work you put into them really shows. I really appreciate your videos, and the pacing of them is excellent. Well worth becoming a patron I think.
+Ben Cheevers Thanks bud, I think it's worth putting the extra time into making one really good video, than spamming people's channels with loads of quickly made ones. But cheers dude! :)
A gaming channel that talks about stuff I don't already know. All your videos are interesting as fuck. Keep up the good work
Thanks bud, yeah, I've made a huge focus on doing videos on 100% original stuff that no one else has covered. Even scrapped a few scripts for that reason, but thank you for the kind words! :)
Little late on this thread, but keep it up Guru! Been a fan since I was a young pup (old pic there on the left), back in the ScrewAttack days of old. Miss that site, miss the community. Would love if you did a piece on the rise and downfall on ScrewAttack - though I'd understand if not, given what I imagine is relatively closeness with everyone involved.
That nemesis sinclair story is the biggest example of "dying on that hill" in gaming history
How the hell do you have scores of 52, 59, 78, and 86 and yet still give the game an 81%?
That's not how averages work Sinclair.
I sure do love it when Larry sounds like he's about to kill me with an axe.
11:15 The worst is yet to come? Well indeed, I instantly got an Fortnite ad after you said that...
6:54 it is dead colorful, it’s so dead, there is no color
That Driv3r stuff dropped my jaw. Thanks for turning the page back and uncovering it. Overall great work!
I love that the bulk of your content is based on material that I - not a young man - am too young to directly relate to.
Honestly I do.
I'm pretty sure you must have a sticky note attached to your workstation reading "MAKE A CRACK AT MOLYNEUX EVERY VIDEO" underlined at least twice
Ben Shock
Also a pair of boxing gloves to jab that Peter in the face.
Driv3rgate is now a 2 paragraph section in the Wikipedia article for Driv3r so i guess this vid worked.
currently on a fact hunt marathon, taking a drink every time larry mentions peter molyneu(sp?) anyway i'm 6 episodes in and i think i might die
Buddy I don't think you will make it out alive
Pls don't you're not gonna survive
The advertising part crushed my heart when I was a kid, we were poor and my dad didn’t make much money but scraped enough to buy me a console for Christmas when I was 6 and instead of a SNES I chose a Master System with Spy Vs Spy because all the images on the cover lead me to believe the game was entirely different than the crap it actually was.
I never get tired of hearing about the Driv3rgate scandal. Especially when narrated by Guru Larry.
The 100% machine code thing, on that platform, in that era, was meant to imply that the programmers were so skilled that they build a fully optimized system. Apparently, they mistook effort for skill, and had a bit of hubris, but in that era, it would have been reasonable to assume that most high quality studios would also use their own low-level routines, and have to customize them significantly for each game. So it wasn't actually a bad thing for them to say that it was 100% machine code.
Normally, that would have been a sign of high performance than was possible with high level languages (at that time, not in general, and not now that tools many high-level tools are widely available and affordable). The "compiling" would have been done in the minds of the programmers, on pen and paper. The high-end machines which would cross compile only really became affordable during the 16-bit era and beyond.
Game development kits and engines were not widely available back then, at least not in the west. This is one thing that gave Japan an advantage: there was more focus on development tools there, and especially on making development easier for the developers or "artists" as Nintendo called them when they developed the Famicom specifically to be developer-friendly. By intent, those developer-friendly features were removed from the international release (NES) and thus, they were able to flood Japan with all forms of experimental games and localize them externally, maintaining control over the means of high quality production.
Back then, however, microcomputer manufacturers (besides Nintendo) didn't appreciate this, and thus, the major tool needed was a knowledge of the system, and ability to build system level code: equivalent to the "middleware" which we all take for granted now, on both modern platforms and through retro-programming.
1:50 - Actually, coding entirely in machine code can make a program extremely efficient. It's just a pain to do it that way which is why we have programming languages. Languages generalize common functions which causes some amount of wasted performance. These days the benefits of using a language far, FAR outweigh any extra efficiency you could obtain by coding in machine code but back then it could (theoretically) make a game run more efficiently on very limited hardware. For example, Rollercoaster Tycoon, developed by the absolute wizard Chris Sawyer, was coded almost entirely in Assembly (machine code) which was why it could keep track of 1000s of peeps and perform dozens of ride simulations on potato computers of the day.
I think what he was getting at is unless you’re a damn wizard like the tycoon king you’re machine coded game is gonna be a pretty primitive and not very sexy lol
Exactly. He was advertising the performance and his own ability to write machine code (for that CPU), which would be very relevant at the time to land a job with a software development company. It has nothing to do with gameplay.
@@RFC-3514 In the words of Homer Simpson
"NNNNNNNEEEEEEEERRRRRRDDDDDDD!"
Just as you said "The worst is yet to come" Origin popped up an ad for the new battlefront dlc on my screen.
"the jerkiness of the gameplay is quite minimal"
...it's a static image
I don't know why, but I stopped everything I was doing, and just laughed
Really liking these videos Larry!
+Dexter Manning Cheers matey, We must have a chat again soon Sir, not spoken for ages!!! :)
Is there a romance blossoming?
Mario sure has come a long way from a black box with a letter A
13:13 Atari rushed the game to market...
LOL! They learned NOTHING from E.T and Pacman.. You know the games they rushed to Market and nearly destroyed their company?
Just a few years ago they did it again with Roller Coaster Tycoon.
It's blows my mind that in this day and age major came companies continue to make this mistake over and over again.
"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything, tee hee hee"
Why should Infogrames have learned from the mistakes that another company made decades ago? Just cause the used to own the license for the brand-name Atari?
or Star Trek Online....
Guessing Krazy Kong wouldn't run in lower case because the ladders appear to be made of capital 'H's...
Funny also how people complain about modern review sites overrating games when paid for reviews were so blatent in the old days.
"Funny also how people complain about modern review sites overrating games when paid for reviews were so blatent in the old days."
I mean, the one doesn't invalidate the other. That's sort of like saying, "I can't believe people are complaining about that measles outbreak when people used to die in droves to smallpox." Yeah, one is clearly worse, but it doesn't mean that the other one is _good._
A lot of it is also due to the fact that a lot of game journalism relied on the publisher relationship to actually survive. So as a result, score inflation became a thing. They can't put a 1/5, so they put a 6/10, where it is TECHNICALLY a passing grade.
Oh man seeing old magazines like that brought me back to the demo era. When I was a kid I was trying for all the magazines so I could play the demo discs.
That Drivergate stuff is some serious Big Brotheresque levels of revisionism.....
+Oculas2003 was expecting the video to go to static at some point.... then again if this video disappears...
DRIV3R gate needs to be made into a movie!
It'd be the best live action drama comedy ever made!
Let's all laugh at an industry that never learned anything (teeheehee?)
The amount of confusion around "machine code" and assembly in the video as well as the comments is hilarious
@@lucidattf I'm honestly amazed at how dense some of you folks are. You are aware machine code is literally binary, right? 1s and 0s? Imagine writing an entire game using no abstraction whatsoever, typing out instructions like "Push this byte to register X" using only binary just so you could do something as simple as store a number. It would be like trying to paint a beautiful piece of art in MSPaint. Or, more accurately in my opinion, it would be like trying to paint a beautiful piece of art by manually typing out each RGB code and pixel position using a text editor. Games don't run in editing software; machine code being fast has no relevance here.
Who knows, perhaps they actually made the game out of assembly, it's a barebone simple game anyway, a single person made roller coaster tycoon in assembly but he was a lunatic
Never knew about the Driver 3 thing.
+WrecklessEating Shocking, isn't it?
***** Indeed
+WrecklessEating How the Streisand Effect didn't come in to play here is beyond me.
+Larry Bundy Jr I put it up to the internet being a much younger place back then, combined with no-one outside the industry giving it the least bit of credit.
Thalanox
Absolutely, there's be tons of people archiving it on Reddit and making videos about it on TH-cam, it would be ten times bigger than it was back then, even more so if they were caught trying to hide it.
Having worked in Quality Assurance for Electronic Arts Canada on the Need for Speed series for 3 years in the late 90s/early 2000s I can say that the release version of Driver 3 wouldnt even qualify as an ALPHA build at EAC, the amount of tearing, texture holes, incomplete animation etc etc etc. were at the stage that our developers would first start sending MILESTONE builds to QA to look at, where they didn't even need our feedback to tell them the sheer amount of bugs and missing features, it was just to organize them in a database. It would be 3-5 months after that before anything approaching beta and golden builds would be coming our way, crap on EA all you like (and you have many reasons to) but EAC would have NEVER allowed anything that unholy to launch no matter what it cost with head office. They would cancel or restart development first.
If Larry was a superhero Peter Molyneux would be his arch nemesis.
“Machine code” is actually much much harder to work with than a modern programming language. Machine code is used for better technical performance. That said, I’m pretty sure all NES games were written in machine code.
No. NES games were not written in machine code.
It used assembly for the MOS 6502.
Looks like a lot of people in the comments don’t see the difference between machine code and assembly...
Thanks for talking about drivergate
I dedicated an entire video to it too if you fancy ever watching it! :)
Wow, i used to send reviews to Future around ‘99 i was after a job there! I also owned a ZX Spectrum and can say with fair reason, that many many of it games where utter GASH and to read the way old CG magazines used to write about the ‘mind-blowing’ graphics is really charming to me.
These vids are awesome Larry, you’re helping preserve all these lost tales of the crazy and wholly less regulated age of gaming.
I'm not at all surprised by the revelation of "pay for play" reviews with guaranteed "9 out of 10" scores. I'm certain this still happens today and frequently. I play games that have been reviewed highly and I wonder if the reviewer even played the game they reviewed. Of course it would be one thing if it were just a matter of taste and personal preference but, seriously, I can't believe it's the same game they're talking about and I'm playing. Trusted reviews are quite hard to find in my experience (over 30 years worth). The Driv3r incident is new to me. I'm amazed they were able to bury it so effectively in the Age of the Web. Makes you wonder what else has been buried... I never played any of the Driver games but the whole story sure sounds familiar and seems to be repeated rather more often than most people talk about. For some reason corruption seems to be expected these days. Aren't corporations great? I bet the programmers were ticked off and embarrassed as heck.
What’s this about the left bat in Pong being accused of having soggy knees? Seriously, why have I never heard about this until now?! 😫
that official reply from the writer was stupid, he could've literally just said "we were told that the review copy was an early build and to disregard all bugs/jank as they would be addressed and fixed for the final release, so we reviewed it as such, blame atari, not us"
Funny, I remember that the german magazin gamepro did excactly that. They gave Driver 3 86% (if i remember correctly) and stateted that they used an early build. Was suspicious even back then.
@@florianmeier9943 yeah, its not even a case of hindsight being 20-20, because that's exactly what happened, maybe they were trying to avoid biting the hand that feeds them but driv3r had already released by then, so its not like they were being paid to keep quiet
I played Driver 3 for Xbox at the time. It wasn't glitchy for me but the AI was really bad. Still I actually liked it and had fun because it was the first driver to let you use weapons. My guilty pleasure! haha.
In the part about Krazy Kong you mention the claim in the advert that it was 100% machine code. This claim was made because, at the time, many games were released, partially or completely, in BASIC (an interpreted language) which made them a lot more 'clunky'. Machine code is much more time consuming to program in, and much harder to de-bug, but resulted in a faster and more responsive game. Of course there are good and bad machine code programs too......
It's crazy lol I haven't played Driver in years, and my memory is shit, but one thing I always instantly recognize and remember. Jericho, that trench coat and dual sawed off shotguns will be something I seemingly never forget. I'll have to keep that in mind if I end up with dementia, maybe it can help me somehow😂
Something similar to to the whole drivergate thing was Toms Hardware and their dishonest review of the Geforce 4 Ti 4400 and 4600. They have managed to almost completely scrub it from the internet and since it happened 20 years ago, most of the younger folks have no idea it happened.
NVidia was getting ready to launch the Geforce 4 TI series. ATI typically had better hardware but many games were optimized for NVidia and ATI didn't have the best drivers but there was stiff competition. The Radeon 8500 was pretty popular and the R300 chip(Radeon 9700pro) was just around the corner and there was much speculation that it would be the new performance king.
Tom's Hardware was plastered with NVidia banner ads and they started posting the most loving reviews of the new high end NVidias. The benchmarks were very impressive and it seemed like a no brainier. Then it released. The fan was an absolute screamer, my friend had a computer room upstairs and I could hear it downstairs in the kitchen if the television was off. It sucked power, ran hot, and was ridiculously loud. Then people started noticing that They couldn't replicate the benchmark numbers that Tom's Hardware posted. Neither could the other review sites.
As it got mentioned in the forums, mods began banning people. Not just new accounts but ones with 5000 or even 100000+ posts. If someone asked "Where is [insert name]", they would be permabanned. You could no even allude to there being an issue or you would be banned. They were banning people who were on other forums talking about it. The ones who used the same name on multiple sites. It was bad. They scattered most of the community. We would chat on DSLReports and sites like that and people were getting banned for the most petty reasons.
They quietly took their false reviews down and I was surprised to see that about 5 or 6 years later, I could find almost nothing about it. There is even less now. This was a big deal in the pc gaming and pc builders circles but there is little to nothing left out there.
I still to this day avoid that site like the plague. Also, the Radeon 9700pro own the performance crown over the TI4600. The Radeon8500 was close enough in performance to the TI4400 while being much cheaper that it was the popular mid-tier.
I’m doing a class where we write assembly code (which is sort of the step between machine code and high level human-friendly code like c++.)
If I wrote a game in machine code I’d probably brag about it too because that’d be hard. But I’d brag about it in the same way I might brag about any of the useless things I do
He was basically advertising the game's _performance,_ and advertising himself to game development studios. It's totally unrelated to the gameplay, and was far from an "irrelevant detail" at the time.
I think that made the game run like faster or something
these videos bring back so many sweet childhood memories.. got a zx spectrum in 83 and "upgraded" to a amstrad cpc 464 in 85. ive been watching quite a few of your vids with these old school games / stories.. getting such a wierd cozy feeling everytime i see a game i use to play 30+ years ago. cheers from denmark
"Funnily enough, the quality of the graphics matches the difficulty of the level."
Hahahah, wow. They are either next-level reviewing on concepts in a way I've never even considered, or they're stringing random gaming-related words into sentences, I can't tell which.
OMFG, that last post you quoted at 16:12 is from me O_O Yeah I bought Driver 3, and yeah it was an absolute shit-show of a game.
what a crazy occurrence
What a coincidence! You watch this show and you see your own post on this channel!
If anyone wants to say he could be a fake: that yt account is from 2007
Having that face from the Assasin's Creed game appear was comedy gold.
I remember Div3rgate being talked about in Russian gaming mags of all things!
It really was quite the mess and I am glad you made a video on it.
Begin the countdown!
I remember Driv3rgate, but I didn't realise it had been purged from the Internet so well. I'm as impressed as I am disgusted.
Going back and rewatching the Fact Hunt playlist in hopes that it will invoke a new video to be posted from a healthy and happy Guru Larry Jr.
😄👍
I remember when I was young I used to hate how cool Atari and NES game covers looked compared to in game appearances, for a time I would judge games on hot different they looked and felt compared to the cover.😅
The more I hear about the corruption in VG magazines from back in the day, the more I respect EGM.
They never sold out, never corrupted their morals, and always kept their integrity.
That's no easy task, especially considering what every other mag was doing at the time.
Oh god the egm/1up coverage of too human...
I remember a very different Driver 3... sure, it had some issues, especially regarding the physics engine, or lack thereof, but the quality overall quality and glitches shown in the video were something I never encountered. I have the PS2 version.
I remember having a lot of fun with the game when it came out; I was a huge driver fan and still am today. I recently went back and found my old copy and played it. Then I remembered why I had so much fun. I was one of those kids who made their own games within games and in this case it was purposely finding creative ways to glitch out the game and break the physics in strange ways. One of the funniest was getting a semi truck, attaching a trailer then watching things bug out as the thing swung around wildly in traffic.
It was a buggy mess, yes, but I happily played through it only getting frustrated a few times with some of the bugs and the rest of the time laughing at the absurdity.
I find this really funny because I only played the first Driver, but ended up with a rental copy so damaged that every other frame skipped, so I never touched the Driver series.
Really, this is the first video to talk about certain events related to a game from 2004?! I'm not questioning the truthfulness of the video, I'm just genuinely amazed. I thought it was impossible to remove something from the internet for such a long time...
+Nixel They proved wrong that internet never forgets.
+Uji Jagtiger Well since it's here now... The internet clearly didn't forget. Making this a bad example for the internet forgetting things. But they did quite an amazing job at making it almost forget that it happened. If only they had put that much effort in the actual game.
+Cypher If they did, the whole mess wouldn't have even happened (probably).
I never knew about these scandals before. Thank you for exposing them, Guru Larry.
Please do a special episode about Digital Homicide.
But they might sue me :S
Nah, I'm sure you'll be fine. Digital Homicide is no more and its website (now called Loot Toot Games) is a proof of that. Plus the delusional brothers have since stopped dicking around as far as I know.
Hopefully they are safely in a padded cell somewhere, other wise I hope Jim Sterling is locking his doors and windows as those guys are completely bonkers and I wouldn't put it past them to take the digital out of homicide.
Loving the intros to these episodes, so many great Amiga gaming memories... Shame that there isn't much talk about Amiga games on TH-cam, thank god for you Guru Larry!
No, it's all about NES,, NES and NES on TH-cam :( But thanks dude, muchly appreciated :D
Larry Bundy Jr Yo Larry, what was the music at 1:00? it was when you where talking about krazy kong. i cant remember what it was but i know i heard it a decade ago.
I didn't even know there was a third Driver game until just now. I make my friend play terrible games all the time while I watch and laugh. I think I need to buy this now.
there are 7 driver games, not including wachdogs, which was originally driver as well
"They went full Chris Bores."
You never go full Chris Bores.
Who is Chris Bores?
@@Ratciclefan The TH-cam (ripoff) game reviewer by the name of the Irate Gamer. A lot of people accused him of copying off AVGN.
@@naranciaisbestboi125 oh
As someone who has tried to learn both old school game programming and Photoshop programs (and used to only make sprites in MS Paint), that Machine Code joke made me laugh WAY harder than it should have!
Count me as another person who had no idea about Driv3rgate. Wow.
I thought guerrilla tactics usually involved eating bananas and swinging on tires.
@@GiordanDiodato Sorry. I'll correct myself.
I thought guerrilla tactics involved eating tires and swinging on bananas.
@@combatking0 10/10
This video is the primary source for anything regarding the "Driv3rgate" scandal. That's actually kind of sad, since this shouldn't have to hold that responsibility.
By far one of the most interesting videos I've seen in a while. Must have taken a while doing the research. Excellent work, mate.
I think the first review of Driv3r I saw was one of those corrupted 9/10 reviews. I got the game the week it came out. I loved it. It was buggy sometimes but ran well 95% of the time. Free drive mode + cheats + being 11 when I got it = a good experience.
May 27, 2020 8:19 am
I don't feel so old now, because I had no idea there were video games on cassette tape! It's almost like looking at cave paintings to me.....lol
Lies. None of these controversies were about ethics in journalism--they were about making women leave the gaming industry through a concentrated campaign of threats and harassment. I expected better from you, Larry.
I mean, excellent video as always, and I learned something new, as usual. :)
+Jimmy Hapa (Import Gaming FTW!) Nope, that's just how game journalists spun it, and it worked because people like you believe it - what better way for them to cover up the movement meant to expose their corruption? As I'm sure you know, all kinds of journalists, certainly not just gaming ones, have the power to twist stories to suit their narratives and make people listen and believe.
In fact, I think this video is a very effective showcase of how gaming journalism has always had corruption, no?
+Tenshi Cat (Collision) I have no idea where people got the idea that it was a sexist movement. I mean, it's not like they had guys like Milo or Matt Forney being a guest of honor at their events, right?
keep exposing these shit practices good sir
Thanks, Stu...and thanks, Larry! You've helped make sure a lot more people know about this garbage.
+Matt McKinney Kind of amazing/horrifying that such a scandal could be purged. Ah well, the internet has far too many eyes and ears to allow that to happen again.
"We're never advertise with you again if you post it!'
'...You never advertised with us before...'
"...I...uh... we'll NEVER EVER advertise with you again!'
The strangest thing is I absolutely rinsed Driv3r on the xbox but didnt encounter any issues with this at all.
Hahaha "if you publish the article we won't advertise in your magazine again". Was that a threat or a promise! hahaha 😅
At least in those days you could take a crap game back to the shop for a refund... no questions asked... up to 2 weeks, a full 14 days after purchase. I know people that got games, completed them and took them back for a full refund. It wasn't until around the launch of the 360 or possibly the PS3 that the refund policy changed.
Sapier UK Ikr!
People completing games and then returning them is the exact reason the refund policy changed, those people you know are scumbags who took advantage of the system and are the reason we can't have nice things.
Everyone better grab a copy of this video while they can. Ya never know when Future or Reflections could strike again and bury the past!
That bit about angry Joe at the end really got me, especially with his review of Ghost-busters 2016.
The game or the movie?
You should also have mentioned that C-Tech, later that year, became Ocean Software and published a licenced version of said game ;)
I wonder if the dislikes from this video can be traced back to IP's of disgruntled ex Babel employees with vendettas.
I'd like to hear more of these. This is one of my favorite episodes.
LMAO 18:04
Of all the bugs I've seen in this video, this one cracks me up the most - a spontaneous mass suicide of NPCs; presumably because they'd suddenly developed self-awareness and realised they were in Driver 3. Can't argue with that logic, really.