"somehow the insides just broke and we got rid of it" 10 minutes pass "yeah I always like to do that when I win, treat it like a punching bag" Truly is a mystery ;)
"I'm very much aware of it's flaws, I just have lots of fondness for it". This will should be our #1 response to bad games and movies that we still love.
Heh go watch Ladyhawk, the Alan Parsons synthesizer musical score is incredibly distracting now even if the production value on that film is higher than those two films. ;)
I had an Apple II, I was so excited to get a joystick with a fire button at the top of the stick. It was the Suncom Tac+. I felt like Luke Skywalker with that thing !
It is always special with that first toy or utility you get. No one else quiet get it but it holds so many memories to you. I still remember my gamepad to the PC i had a gravis gamepad. Shaped like a SNES controller i played so much NBA 97 with that thing. A shame i cant get the game to work on my new system. Happy new year all.
My first PC gamepad was this weird PS1 dualshock knockoff that was filled with little holes all over the hand grips which fans inside the thing blew out from (as opposed to a rumble feature or whatever). It was actually kind of awesome, no idea what it was called though.
Ooooh! I have that same controller, got it at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo a few years back. Mine is a PS1 controller that I cannot get to work with a PC at all, but it work well with my PS2. I think the drivers only go up to Windows XP. It's a nYko airflo ex.
I made my first joypad for C64 during woodworking class in elementary school. Polished piece of wood + 5 micro switches :o. Played the shit out of Elite, good memories.
What kind of woodworking class did YOU have? That sounds amazing. All I got to do in woodworking class was get treated like shit by the teacher because I wasn't on his wrestling team, lol.
Small shop, class was meant to teach basic tools like bench vice, saws and files. Everyone got a piece of wood and had to make something out of it, only hard requirement was getting rid of at least 50% of material by filing alone :o . Didnt matter if you made a sculpture, coat hanger or a smooth stick, as long as you put down the hard work you passed. Teacher was pretty chill too. My year was the last one to get this class, next semester space got remodeled into a computer lab. Sweet sweet already outdated 286's with VGA and Turbo Pascal 6.
Seeing that joystick brought back a flood of memories. Then you showed the box for LHX Attack Chopper and even more came back. I bought that exact same stick for that exact same game as well as for Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer. I spent hours on those games in Jr. High. I remember my uncle who was in the army sitting behind me watching and looking through the LHX manual at the different items in the game. He remarked how everything in it (aside from the LHX of course) was based on real world artillery. His comments made the game even more awesome to me. I never thought I'd enjoy watching a video of someone describing a pretty bland joystick - but here we are. :)
I will never forget my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback joystick. A behemoth with its own 12V power supply, a FAN in the base of the joystick, a MIDI/gameport 15-pin connector, and that thing could really kick your hand around. I read later, that thing could actually produce 4 KILOGRAMS of force in your hands. And it was BUGGY as hell, every game that supported it would crash under 15 minutes! It was so over-engineered that it needed an infrared detector in the handle to disable the force feedback if you opened your hand, or it would shake around and like someone was having a seizure!
I had that exact same joystick, though mine came with suction cups you could replace the rubber feet with (which I did). They stuck quite well to my desktop and helped with light weight aspect of using it one-handed. Except when playing Falcon 3.0 in hi-fidelity mode, and having a suction cup malfunction in a tight turn poping it lose and sending random input, leading to a horrible death.
I had one of these too! Sold by Montgomery Wards (exclusively?), It too came with suction cups, but the stick movement worked more like a cassettes slow eject and it came with a F15 Strike Eagle game. The "geared action" was a nice touch, but made the base move too much. My friends and I called it the "whichkraft stick", because it felt like it was a bunch of ideas, untested, that Kraft through together. The game was great...
My first and last joystick was Logitech Wingman Extreme. I remember playing the shit out of Comanche 3 and X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with it. It was an ok joystick - quite comfortable and durable, but not terribly precise and a bit wonky. All in all I have mostly good memories of it, maybe because I didn't know any better. I remember my friend had some cool Thrustmaster which cost about twice as much as my Wingman, and he always told me that my joystick was shit and that I should buy something better if I wanted to play flight sims seriously, but I was never that much into flight sim genre, so that's why I was content with what I had and never bought any other joysticks after that.
lol, maybe your friend was envious? Logitech certainly is the more expensive brand than Thrustmaster... btw, I had the Wingman Extreme too for a while... was a good stick, however that squeaky rubber stuff could get pretty annoying ;)
Thrustmaster probably went to shit since then (they were bought by some shitty multinational corporation as far as I remember), but I assure you at the time (mid 90's) it was a much more respectable and expensive brand than Logitech, particularly when it came to higher end joysticks and specialized flight sim stuff - better materials, better mechanics, better pretty much everything.
I had Microsoft's SideWinder Precision joystick in the late 1990s. It was pretty good but awfully expensive for the time. I received it as a Christmas present. By 2002, I had worn the heck out of it myself. I used to play Flight Simulator a lot.
Same here! Then I had a Saitek Cyborg 3D - really cool one! Now.. Then a Wingman Extreme 3D :D And now.. A Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Starting to see a pattern.. :P
Oli K At least you're only dealing compatibility issues. I lost mine in an accident at work several years back and have been trying to find a suitable replacement ever since
6:36 The feels when hearing that startup music. Then you look at the camera with this big dumb smile on your face face and I couldn't help but LOL (literally!). I love that startup sound. I wish today's computers still had it.
Dude, your videos are always really interesting and calming even when I think they wouldn't be interesting. Even when I'm having a bad day, you videos make me feel relaxed. I think what makes your videos so good is just how much joy it brings you to cover the things you cover. It makes me happy when you get excited over a piece of tech that came out before I was even born because you have great memories with it. I fully support this channel and hope it takes you into new opportunities that you've never imagined.
The ones for the Atari 2600 would have been my first, but my first self purchaced was for one for my C64 made by EPYX, the sorta famous 500XJ. The last one I bought was a Microsoft Sidewinder during the Era of Mechwarrior 2.
I grew up with a Tandy 1000, so my first PC joystick was the deluxe joystick that thing came with. It was very useful for playing F-19 Stealth Fighter, and oddly enough King'd Quest III. The latter had a cliff you needed to walk down, and the keyboard controls would keep walking until you tapped the button again. So without the joystick, my very young self would walk off that all the time...
Since my family was poor, the only Joysticks we could afford were those that came with our Atari 2600, we would plug those into our Atari 800XL Computer and use those. I remember at some point my family imported one of those really nice D-Pad controllers from Europe to use on our Atari XEGS. As for PC I didn't get a controller for my computer until 2004 and it was one of those Logitech Dual Shock 2 Clones.
I see these in thrift stores once in a while. My first joystick was a QuickShot Warrior 5, a really basic one with two buttons and suction cups on the base. It downed many a Messerschmitt in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat.
This is one of my favorite videos of yours. Yeah, a lot of your channel deals in nostalgia, but this one is so personal that it just warms me up like...well, like mac n' cheese in a microwave. I can hear the pure subjective fondness in your voice, as well as those notes of melancholy and loss that you tried to shrug off when talking about what happened to your original one. That really tugged on my heartstrings.
My first stick was a Gravis Destroyer. I remember it was $7 on clearance from Micro Center back in 2003. The centering spring snapped in about a month, so I learned to keep a steady hand. Great video! It's nice to look back on terrible old things we love so much.
I thought I was the only one who played racing games with a stick. I used to think it was weird but amazingly fun. I remember N4S from like 98' could actually do split screen, between a stick & keyboard. Pretty cool.
My first game controller for our computer was a Nascar racing wheel that I used to play Hard Truck II and Nascar Racing. My sister broke the side clickers that I used for the turn signals by turning them too far, and I remember being so mad at her about it. Brings back so many good childhood memories. Thanks for the video.
Man this video brought back some memories and now I'm trying to figure out what one of the joysticks me and my brother had was. It was made from translucent plastic with the buttons being blue-ish and still translucent. It also had a hat switch and throttle control. The most odd thing about it were the suction cups at the bottom where you'd normally expect rubber feet. Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea who manufactured it or where we got it. We also had a Sidewinder USB joystick, Wikipedia referrs to it as "Sidewinder 92626" and it's a later model from the early 2000's.
We went through SO MANY of these at my brothers house playing the various X-wing games in the 90's. Normally the spring mounts would snap, so the stick would be all floppy and wouldn't self center, but was still usable usable providing you got good at holding it centered yourself when you needed to.
It's amazing you are able to find these things still boxed. I understand the need to feel nostalgia about old accessories as well. I had a QuickShot joystick (one button on the top of the stick, two on the base). In reality it's not very good but I do have a lot of good memories of it.
Your Kraft joystick was mac & cheese; your Trident graphics card was chewing gum; did you have any other peripherals made by companies with the same names as food products?
I remember seeing this joystick at Kmart as a kid when I was looking to spend a gift certificate. And it was an actual gift certificate this was before gift cards. I decided against getting this joystick and instead got this really awful unergonomic wireless PC gamepad. I don't remember what brand the GamePad was but I remember it was dark grey with purple buttons.
The nostalgia is strong in this video!!!! My brother purchased a IBM joystick back in the day for our old Aptiva, I remember playing NFS and NFS 2 with it.
Our first IBM PC compatible growing up was an 8MHz 286 clone with EGA and no sound card. The EGA monitor died and when we bought an SVGA card+monitor upgrade to replace it, we also talked my dad into buying an ISA joystick card and QuickShot Warrior 5 - a similarly cheap joystick that saw heavy use playing X-Wing, A10 Tank Killer II, etc. The buttons stopped working at some point (probably the cheap wires got fatigued, or the switches gave out), so I took most of the stick off and wired my own buttons to the side of the base. In some ways this was an improvement, as the nub of a stick that was left had more resistance. That was the only analog PC joystick I owned for a long time. I bought a Gravis gamepad at one point, and in the late '90s someone gave me their then-old DB-15 (QuickShot again?) flight yoke that I only used a couple of times (worked great for Star Wars Episode I racer at a LAN party). I got bit by the space sim bug again a couple years ago and got a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, which is the top end of the cheap USB flight sticks out there these days. It works great for DOSBox (Wing Commander, X-Wing) and Windows (X-Wing Alliance, Freespace) games.
I think my first ever gear was a gamepad shaped like a Nintendo 64 controller, for the PC, from the mid 90s. I think you have had one in a donation in an earlier video. It had an analog mini stick, a D-pad, a gas throttle and a few turbo modes. I remember it had a "CH Flighstick" mode. I can't remember its name but man I used it a LOT in Terminal Velocity, Duke3D and so on ! Absolutely loved it. Then the USB era came out and I bought a few Microsoft Sidewinder products (including FFB ones), then some steering wheels (Logiteh Momo boy !) and of course, an infamous Thrusmater FFB gamepad (Dualpower, somethine like that). Ah the memories. Thank you dear LGR for this peace of nostalgia that I absolutely understand and share with you.
Your channel brings back many great memories. I remember in a thrifts video you saw a toy computer (that you didn't even buy) and I remembered it was one I had. I then googled it and found TH-cam videos of people using it. As soon as I heard "Please choose an activity" it put a big smile on my face and I sent the link to my dad. You also found a Sega Gamegear which I used to have. 😁
Had a Quickshot Super Warrior. My dad bought it so we could properly play Descent, WIng Commander 2 and Strike Commander, but I also ended up playing TNfS on it. Upon tfinding a picture on Google, the feel of the rubbery knobbed backside just came back, aswell as the springy click of the 4 buttons.
I always worry that will make youtube think I want to see the ad more or support that company, thereby causing them to bombard me with similar advertising, negatively impacting all aspects of my life. I will be driven into depression and self-hatred, drawing upward pointing thumbs on any available surface as symptoms of my psychological illness continue to manifest. This will lead to an inevitable suicide, on my smoking corpse they will find my manifesto of hatred against all things thumb based, causing grief and anger for many who knew of my torture at the hands of our evil, advertisement placing overlords. Or maybe I'm just overthinking this.
Chills on them startup sounds! Both the PC and the Windows! Nothing beats the spin-up sounds then the chimes! Great little video! My first joysticks were the single button one stick Atari joysticks that I kept for a long time and used on my Commodore 64 where I wore them completely out.
My first joystick was an old Gravis Xterminator Dual Control which I got around 2003 or 2004. The only thing I ever played with it was an old copy of Star Wars: Tie Fighter, but I had an absolute blast playing that. Anyway, a few weeks ago my parents brought up some boxes of my old stuff up to my apartment and one of the things was the Gravis Xterminator, which was one of the few things to survive from my once extensive Computer Game collection I had when I was in High School. The thing the still works! Didn’t have to download any drivers or anything, just plug and play! So I have been spending some of the Christmas holidays replaying the version of Tie Fighter they have up on GoG using the same controller I used 15 years ago. It was one of the most special gaming experiences I had all year, especially as Tie Fighter still holds up extraordinarily well.
This is awesome! I can remember my dad buying my first joystick after getting our first computer in 1997. It was a Logitech Wingman Warrior, which I still have. I too remember playing NFS:SE with it. Great memories!
Holy hell, that Win95 startup chime just made me time-travel. Nostalgia-bomb in the best way possible. Now I want to play some Star Wars Rebel Assault.
Watching this while eating NYD dinner, and I gotta say that I am always fond of how you play these kind of "sandbox flight games" as I guess you'd call it. TBH I'd do the same even today, just because it's more amusing to blow up the first things you see 😂 Great video as usual Clint, and hope you (as well as the rest of the LGR community) have an awesome 2018! 💙
I remember my first joystick it was an Tac 2 that i hade for my Atari 520ST. In the early 90s joystick fashion turned to favour smaller gadgets so i remember buying "The Bug". Great video keep on the good work.
First joystick we had was the gravis joystick. I remember playing everything with that, even Commander Keen. At some point I got a sidewinder and that is still my joystick to this day with an adapter to go from gameport to usb. I remember being so excited to have so many buttons to map to all the things in SimCopter.
My first joystick was a Saitek Cyborg of the early 2000's era, up until that point we didn't do much with game controllers we just used a keyboard. But then we got Flight Simulator 2003 and realized that we needed a joystick to play it efficiently. I still have that stick to this day and hook it up every once and a while and it holds a special place in my heart.
Hey I remember LHX I used to play it along with battlechess durring weekends in 2nd grade while watching the 7am cartoons. Thank you for taking me back there! You are awesome, keep up the great work! Oh and my first joystick was a cheap no name chinese knockoff on which I played Crimson Skies and Eurofighter Typhoon and it was awesome :)
Thanks for mentioning Brian Eno! Fun fact, he made the startup sound on a Mac. I'm sure you already knew that, but it blew my mind when I first found out.
It is interesting watching your videos, Clint, and seeing your nostalgia for this era of hardware. I have a lot of fondness for 90s and 80s tech, but I didn't live through that time period. I was born in 94 and grew up with the final era of the 90s tech due to being part of a poor family, but more often than not it was a frustration for me rather than something to look back on fondly. Yet I have those same nostalgic feelings when I turn on a computer with an old school 5200RPM IDE drive and hear the thunk and clunk and grind of the disks. I love your videos man, thank you for the endless hours of content and enjoyment you share with us
Thanks Clint! That's an awesome episode! I remember getting my first joystick the day after Christmas, shopping with my Dad. I knew EXACTLY what I wanted, and sure enough they had one! My first was the Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D. It looked amazing, and it had really cool features too, including it's wicked looking throttle, transparent blue Hat Switch, 7 Buttons, and a third axis which you could twist left to right with your wrist. In addition to all that Logitechy Goodness, it had an adapter allowing for Gameport or USB operation. In retrospect, it was a terrible piece of shit that freaked out or didn't work often just as you describe, but the childhood memory is overall a very fond one, and my favirote game to use it with was Descent and Descent 2. I murdered those games. Thank you very much for this episode.
Can't think of a better way to start off the New Year by sitting back and watching another great LGR video. Here's hoping that there'll be tons more to come.
Happy new year! My first joystick was a Quickshot 2, for my VIC 20 back in the mid 80's. Alas was left behind with a Commodore C-16 and an Amiga 500+ when a rapid house move was necessary :(
Dude... I have such good memories of my first joystick too! I had a basic Logitech Wingman from around 1993 or so. I was around 10 years old at the time. I'd play Microsoft Flight Simulator while listening to Tom Petty's "Learning to Fly" ha ha!!! I also enjoyed hundreds of hours of time with it playing X-Wing and Tie Fighter! Oh man the good old days! Thanks so much for sharing Clint!
I know the movies have been around for years, but I didn't know the game predated them. I remember watching the first Need for Speed back when I was in elementary school.
Phileos Sophia : There's only one Need For Speed -movie made very recently, based on the game series. Are you confusing them with Fast and The Furious?
You're correct. My bad. I was confusing it with the Fast and the Furious. Now it makes sense. I guess for some reason, I assumed Need for Speed was based on the Fast and the Furious, growing up.
Phileos Sophia : Well 'NFS: Underground' 1 and 2 kind of were inspired by it, and there are games made out of Fast and Furious so it's an easy mistake.
my first PC Joystick was a CH Flightstick Pro. My parents gave it to me because they thought I wanted/needed one to play Doom, but it went mostly unused until I got my hands in X-Wing and later on TIE Fighter and then Descent... them polygons.. Happy New Year PhReAk!
Happy New Year, Clint! My first PC joystick was a Gravis Blackhawk around '97-98. I remember playing Test Drive 5, Flight Simulator 98, and later (via emulation) Pilotwings 64. Good times.
I remember being so excited about getting my Logitech WingMan Strike Force 3D in 2000: www.logitech.com/en-us/press/press-releases/1200 First USB joystick and first joystick with force feedback that I had. The first "joystick" I really remember using is the Atari 800 controllers. Haha.
Happy New Year! My first joystick/game controller happened to be the Microsoft SideWinder, I liked it back then. Later, with games like MS Flight Simulator and Raptor: Call of the Shadows, a MS Force Feedback Pro joined the party. Great stuff!
Mine was the Gravis Mousestick II for the old Macintosh computers. Loved the heck out of that thing. Got two of them for two computers and they worked together in the Macintosh version of Decent on one computer in a huge daisy chain with the mouse on the serial port. Good times. Both of mine still work 21 years later...
I had this joystick, my dad got it to play F-19 Stealth Fighter on our old 386. I used it to play Silpheed and Thexder. We had that thing for a while, eventually replaced it with a fancy Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro Joystick 2 or 3 PCs later. Takes me way back.
I wholeheartedly appreciate this sort of thing. My first joystick was a Performance brand PC Commander Plus, when i was like 3 or something. About four years ago there was a fire in my parents’ garage and all the computer stuff (among other things) out there and the attic above were totally ruined, including my old joystick. I was so ecstatic when a year later I found one CIB at a local thrift store. Sure, it’s not that great for ca. 1995, just a 4 button 2-axis with an 8-direction pov hat, but it was mine and I used it to beat Star Wars Tie Fighter and King’s Quest V as a kid.
Great stuff. You really should share more personal stuff like this LGR, even at an irregular rate. Nice to see your roots and all that. And you also reminded me that I've been in a mood for mid-70's pop rock Eno since last night. Luckily I've got some great new headphones. Happy new year!
My first computer Joypad/Joystick was a Mega Drive (Genesis for everyone else) Mk.2 joypad for my Amiga A1200. We had the console around the same time too. So a 9-year-old me just looked at the plug and assumed it'll fit in the Amiga's DE-9 mouse port. Low cost for my Dad because he used to pick the things up for pennies in the late 90's, early 00's while I guess thrifting (in modern terms).
The first joystick I got was for the Amiga, it came with it as part of the entertainment pack and it was broken. So ended up only being able to play the games that had keyboard or mouse controls (until we got a working one). A few years later and I opened that old stick up and found out that when they screwed the case together it cut one of the wires, so I fixed it and man it was the best joystick ever (competition pro elite). The first PC joystick was some quickshot that my Dad bought for the Amiga not realising that they were different :) We kept it and a couple of years later I finally got to use it on my first PC!
"somehow the insides just broke and we got rid of it" 10 minutes pass "yeah I always like to do that when I win, treat it like a punching bag"
Truly is a mystery ;)
I was just going to comment the same. Great minds think a like.
I was going to like this comment, but it's sitting at 256 and I couldn't ruin that
"I'm very much aware of it's flaws, I just have lots of fondness for it".
This will should be our #1 response to bad games and movies that we still love.
You can add 'wifes/husbands" to the list :)
Jonatan Guluarte me with the live action scooby doos
As far as movies go, both Beastmaster and Krull bear this distinction for me.
Heh go watch Ladyhawk, the Alan Parsons synthesizer musical score is incredibly distracting now even if the production value on that film is higher than those two films. ;)
The Phantom Menace for me. I refuse to hate that movie.
I had an Apple II, I was so excited to get a joystick with a fire button at the top of the stick. It was the Suncom Tac+. I felt like Luke Skywalker with that thing !
"And a new soul"
Never change, Clint
What happened to his old soul?!
...I got hungry.
He sold it but had a backup one.
He has a jar of them in his cupboard. I'm not kidding, it was in one of his recent videos, I think the first Christmas one
The wood grain around it rotted away and it escaped.
I don't think there are any channels on TH-cam that are more wholesome and enriching than LGR. It's like chicken soup for the (new) soul.
Chicken Soup for the Retro Gamer Soul.
I love that analogy
i can't claim originality, it's the title of a self-help book. LGR is more therapeutic though.
While at the same time quite educational on the history and opperation of vintage computers and oddware
I'm surprised those new glasses aren't woodgrain.
Petman1325 I found some woodgrain patterned plates the other day... Couldn't help but to think about LGR..!
The glasses may not be, but the soul almost definitely is.
I now want to start an LGR tribute band called “Woodgrain Soul.”
Greg Bearringer
Exclusively playing keygen/chiptunes ?
And without a camera.
Or at least beige. Black is SO 21st century.
It is always special with that first toy or utility you get. No one else quiet get it but it holds so many memories to you. I still remember my gamepad to the PC i had a gravis gamepad. Shaped like a SNES controller i played so much NBA 97 with that thing. A shame i cant get the game to work on my new system. Happy new year all.
www.nba-live.com/nbalivewiki/index.php/Running_NBA_Live_95,_NBA_Live_96_%26_NBA_Live_97_in_DOSBox
I know LGR has one of those controllers as well, and he showed it in his Jazz Jackrabbit video.
My first PC gamepad was this weird PS1 dualshock knockoff that was filled with little holes all over the hand grips which fans inside the thing blew out from (as opposed to a rumble feature or whatever). It was actually kind of awesome, no idea what it was called though.
I remember my first pentium 3 pc! It was great! I remember all the components and now i have built one similar
Ooooh! I have that same controller, got it at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo a few years back. Mine is a PS1 controller that I cannot get to work with a PC at all, but it work well with my PS2. I think the drivers only go up to Windows XP. It's a nYko airflo ex.
Did you get you new glasses from LGR the italian eye wear manufacturer? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.G.R
I'm sure they're the same company, they just started making noodle shells instead of computer ones...same materials
What was this in reference to? Oh, Kraft. lol
I'm sure if you licked a dry kraft noodle and an old cigg stained 80's computer casing, it'd taste the same
Now we know where the phreak in phreakindee came from.
You got it!
I made my first joypad for C64 during woodworking class in elementary school. Polished piece of wood + 5 micro switches :o. Played the shit out of Elite, good memories.
What kind of woodworking class did YOU have? That sounds amazing. All I got to do in woodworking class was get treated like shit by the teacher because I wasn't on his wrestling team, lol.
Small shop, class was meant to teach basic tools like bench vice, saws and files. Everyone got a piece of wood and had to make something out of it, only hard requirement was getting rid of at least 50% of material by filing alone :o . Didnt matter if you made a sculpture, coat hanger or a smooth stick, as long as you put down the hard work you passed. Teacher was pretty chill too. My year was the last one to get this class, next semester space got remodeled into a computer lab. Sweet sweet already outdated 286's with VGA and Turbo Pascal 6.
That sounds like a pretty rad experience.
Seeing that joystick brought back a flood of memories. Then you showed the box for LHX Attack Chopper and even more came back. I bought that exact same stick for that exact same game as well as for Chuck Yeager's Advanced Flight Trainer. I spent hours on those games in Jr. High. I remember my uncle who was in the army sitting behind me watching and looking through the LHX manual at the different items in the game. He remarked how everything in it (aside from the LHX of course) was based on real world artillery. His comments made the game even more awesome to me.
I never thought I'd enjoy watching a video of someone describing a pretty bland joystick - but here we are. :)
I will never forget my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback joystick. A behemoth with its own 12V power supply, a FAN in the base of the joystick, a MIDI/gameport 15-pin connector, and that thing could really kick your hand around. I read later, that thing could actually produce 4 KILOGRAMS of force in your hands. And it was BUGGY as hell, every game that supported it would crash under 15 minutes! It was so over-engineered that it needed an infrared detector in the handle to disable the force feedback if you opened your hand, or it would shake around and like someone was having a seizure!
I had that exact same joystick, though mine came with suction cups you could replace the rubber feet with (which I did). They stuck quite well to my desktop and helped with light weight aspect of using it one-handed. Except when playing Falcon 3.0 in hi-fidelity mode, and having a suction cup malfunction in a tight turn poping it lose and sending random input, leading to a horrible death.
I had one of these too!
Sold by Montgomery Wards (exclusively?), It too came with suction cups, but the stick movement worked more like a cassettes slow eject and it came with a F15 Strike Eagle game.
The "geared action" was a nice touch, but made the base move too much. My friends and I called it the "whichkraft stick", because it felt like it was a bunch of ideas, untested, that Kraft through together.
The game was great...
suction cups, always come loose when you don't want them too, but stick like crazy if you actually want them to come loose...
My first and last joystick was Logitech Wingman Extreme. I remember playing the shit out of Comanche 3 and X-Wing vs Tie Fighter with it. It was an ok joystick - quite comfortable and durable, but not terribly precise and a bit wonky. All in all I have mostly good memories of it, maybe because I didn't know any better. I remember my friend had some cool Thrustmaster which cost about twice as much as my Wingman, and he always told me that my joystick was shit and that I should buy something better if I wanted to play flight sims seriously, but I was never that much into flight sim genre, so that's why I was content with what I had and never bought any other joysticks after that.
lol, maybe your friend was envious?
Logitech certainly is the more expensive brand than Thrustmaster...
btw, I had the Wingman Extreme too for a while... was a good stick, however that squeaky rubber stuff could get pretty annoying ;)
Thrustmaster probably went to shit since then (they were bought by some shitty multinational corporation as far as I remember), but I assure you at the time (mid 90's) it was a much more respectable and expensive brand than Logitech, particularly when it came to higher end joysticks and specialized flight sim stuff - better materials, better mechanics, better pretty much everything.
@kosmosyche. I was sitting here trying to remember mine as a kid. Had the same one. Was awesome for flight sim 95.
I had Microsoft's SideWinder Precision joystick in the late 1990s. It was pretty good but awfully expensive for the time. I received it as a Christmas present. By 2002, I had worn the heck out of it myself. I used to play Flight Simulator a lot.
Same here! Then I had a Saitek Cyborg 3D - really cool one! Now.. Then a Wingman Extreme 3D :D And now.. A Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Starting to see a pattern.. :P
where can I find the link to that new soul? Mine feels kind of damaged and not compatible with 2018...
Lol so funny...i'll go do it right now
you can find one on ebay
Just download the patch..56K BEWARE
Oli K
At least you're only dealing compatibility issues.
I lost mine in an accident at work several years back and have been trying to find a suitable replacement ever since
Try Alt + F4.
6:36 The feels when hearing that startup music. Then you look at the camera with this big dumb smile on your face face and I couldn't help but LOL (literally!). I love that startup sound. I wish today's computers still had it.
weirdproq1 lmfao me too this guy is the best
weirdproq1 fuck you 8 bit guy jkjk
You can use an app called "Startup Sound Changer".
Dude, your videos are always really interesting and calming even when I think they wouldn't be interesting. Even when I'm having a bad day, you videos make me feel relaxed. I think what makes your videos so good is just how much joy it brings you to cover the things you cover. It makes me happy when you get excited over a piece of tech that came out before I was even born because you have great memories with it. I fully support this channel and hope it takes you into new opportunities that you've never imagined.
The ones for the Atari 2600 would have been my first, but my first self purchaced was for one for my C64 made by EPYX, the sorta famous 500XJ. The last one I bought was a Microsoft Sidewinder during the Era of Mechwarrior 2.
I grew up with a Tandy 1000, so my first PC joystick was the deluxe joystick that thing came with. It was very useful for playing F-19 Stealth Fighter, and oddly enough King'd Quest III. The latter had a cliff you needed to walk down, and the keyboard controls would keep walking until you tapped the button again. So without the joystick, my very young self would walk off that all the time...
Did you know the Tandy Deluxe Joystick was made by Kraft? As was the PCjr joystick.
No I did not. That's rather's amazing, thanks for the info. :)
I remember walking down that cliff with a keyboard, it took hours! Kids think games are tough now they should try KQ3 out!
Since my family was poor, the only Joysticks we could afford were those that came with our Atari 2600, we would plug those into our Atari 800XL Computer and use those. I remember at some point my family imported one of those really nice D-Pad controllers from Europe to use on our Atari XEGS. As for PC I didn't get a controller for my computer until 2004 and it was one of those Logitech Dual Shock 2 Clones.
I'll admit, even as clones, the Logitech controllers are insane! I've been using a Dual Action for a while, and it still works like new.
I see these in thrift stores once in a while. My first joystick was a QuickShot Warrior 5, a really basic one with two buttons and suction cups on the base. It downed many a Messerschmitt in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat.
This is one of my favorite videos of yours. Yeah, a lot of your channel deals in nostalgia, but this one is so personal that it just warms me up like...well, like mac n' cheese in a microwave. I can hear the pure subjective fondness in your voice, as well as those notes of melancholy and loss that you tried to shrug off when talking about what happened to your original one. That really tugged on my heartstrings.
My first stick was a Gravis Destroyer. I remember it was $7 on clearance from Micro Center back in 2003. The centering spring snapped in about a month, so I learned to keep a steady hand.
Great video! It's nice to look back on terrible old things we love so much.
Yayyy!!! A computery thing! It's nice to know my vote matters!
I thought I was the only one who played racing games with a stick. I used to think it was weird but amazingly fun. I remember N4S from like 98' could actually do split screen, between a stick & keyboard. Pretty cool.
Not too impressed with the Kraftwork on this joystick.
I’ll show myself out.
youuuu are a robot
That was so cheesy
Lol this pun also has a double meaning. Kraft is a type of cheese lol.
And Kraftwerk is a band. Also the Dutch (and possibly german) spelling of Craft work. XD
Kuralthys - Kraftwerk is German for power plant
My first game controller for our computer was a Nascar racing wheel that I used to play Hard Truck II and Nascar Racing. My sister broke the side clickers that I used for the turn signals by turning them too far, and I remember being so mad at her about it. Brings back so many good childhood memories. Thanks for the video.
Never thought I would hear joystick and too sensitive used in the same sentence like that, followed by a beating sound.
Man this video brought back some memories and now I'm trying to figure out what one of the joysticks me and my brother had was.
It was made from translucent plastic with the buttons being blue-ish and still translucent. It also had a hat switch and throttle control. The most odd thing about it were the suction cups at the bottom where you'd normally expect rubber feet.
Unfortunately I have absolutely no idea who manufactured it or where we got it.
We also had a Sidewinder USB joystick, Wikipedia referrs to it as "Sidewinder 92626" and it's a later model from the early 2000's.
Clint i would love to see a history of Tandy/Radioshack. Man i miss my Radioshack.
We went through SO MANY of these at my brothers house playing the various X-wing games in the 90's. Normally the spring mounts would snap, so the stick would be all floppy and wouldn't self center, but was still usable usable providing you got good at holding it centered yourself when you needed to.
I'm sure you can get a Thunderstick at the adult store in town.. But I imagine it's something entirely different.
I wonder if anyone has made a joystick from a dildo?
There seem to be some compatibility issues, and it feels ergonomic in all the wrong ways. 0/10
I prefer the Thrust Master myself. :p
Does the adult store in town sell a Sidewinder as well?
It's amazing you are able to find these things still boxed. I understand the need to feel nostalgia about old accessories as well. I had a QuickShot joystick (one button on the top of the stick, two on the base). In reality it's not very good but I do have a lot of good memories of it.
Your Kraft joystick was mac & cheese; your Trident graphics card was chewing gum; did you have any other peripherals made by companies with the same names as food products?
I remember seeing this joystick at Kmart as a kid when I was looking to spend a gift certificate. And it was an actual gift certificate this was before gift cards. I decided against getting this joystick and instead got this really awful unergonomic wireless PC gamepad. I don't remember what brand the GamePad was but I remember it was dark grey with purple buttons.
Ha, I also got a cheap gamepad from Kmart. It was an Interact PC Programpad.
That really does look like one hell of a piece of junk, not going to lie. But I fully understand your sentimentality.
The nostalgia is strong in this video!!!! My brother purchased a IBM joystick back in the day for our old Aptiva, I remember playing NFS and NFS 2 with it.
I guess in Canada, we'd call that a Kraft Dinner joystick. ;)
I had made the same comment too :) Kraft Dinner ftw.
me to
beat me to calling it.
Terrance and Phillip lol
Our first IBM PC compatible growing up was an 8MHz 286 clone with EGA and no sound card. The EGA monitor died and when we bought an SVGA card+monitor upgrade to replace it, we also talked my dad into buying an ISA joystick card and QuickShot Warrior 5 - a similarly cheap joystick that saw heavy use playing X-Wing, A10 Tank Killer II, etc.
The buttons stopped working at some point (probably the cheap wires got fatigued, or the switches gave out), so I took most of the stick off and wired my own buttons to the side of the base. In some ways this was an improvement, as the nub of a stick that was left had more resistance.
That was the only analog PC joystick I owned for a long time. I bought a Gravis gamepad at one point, and in the late '90s someone gave me their then-old DB-15 (QuickShot again?) flight yoke that I only used a couple of times (worked great for Star Wars Episode I racer at a LAN party).
I got bit by the space sim bug again a couple years ago and got a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, which is the top end of the cheap USB flight sticks out there these days. It works great for DOSBox (Wing Commander, X-Wing) and Windows (X-Wing Alliance, Freespace) games.
My first joystick came with my Sinclair ZX Spectrum +2... the Sinclair SJS-1. It was also my 2nd, 3rd and 4th joystick.... they were not reliable.
I think my first ever gear was a gamepad shaped like a Nintendo 64 controller, for the PC, from the mid 90s. I think you have had one in a donation in an earlier video. It had an analog mini stick, a D-pad, a gas throttle and a few turbo modes. I remember it had a "CH Flighstick" mode. I can't remember its name but man I used it a LOT in Terminal Velocity, Duke3D and so on ! Absolutely loved it.
Then the USB era came out and I bought a few Microsoft Sidewinder products (including FFB ones), then some steering wheels (Logiteh Momo boy !) and of course, an infamous Thrusmater FFB gamepad (Dualpower, somethine like that).
Ah the memories.
Thank you dear LGR for this peace of nostalgia that I absolutely understand and share with you.
I noticed the new mic from the "Hello". This channel is simply awesome.
Your channel brings back many great memories. I remember in a thrifts video you saw a toy computer (that you didn't even buy) and I remembered it was one I had. I then googled it and found TH-cam videos of people using it. As soon as I heard "Please choose an activity" it put a big smile on my face and I sent the link to my dad.
You also found a Sega Gamegear which I used to have. 😁
that sound from brian eno? :O crazy
Happy New Year, and your reaction to the Windows 98 startup sound was perfect, that's how I feel every time too.
Whenever I hear Kraft I always think of the character Kraft Lawrence from Spice and Wolf.
Whenever I hear kraft I think of the Minecraft community. They can't even spell their own game's name.
ChrisTheFox yay.
Had a Quickshot Super Warrior. My dad bought it so we could properly play Descent, WIng Commander 2 and Strike Commander, but I also ended up playing TNfS on it. Upon tfinding a picture on Google, the feel of the rubbery knobbed backside just came back, aswell as the springy click of the 4 buttons.
*Likes the video while the ad plays because LGR*
Felix Argyle So true
I always worry that will make youtube think I want to see the ad more or support that company, thereby causing them to bombard me with similar advertising, negatively impacting all aspects of my life. I will be driven into depression and self-hatred, drawing upward pointing thumbs on any available surface as symptoms of my psychological illness continue to manifest. This will lead to an inevitable suicide, on my smoking corpse they will find my manifesto of hatred against all things thumb based, causing grief and anger for many who knew of my torture at the hands of our evil, advertisement placing overlords.
Or maybe I'm just overthinking this.
I'm just overhinking your mom
Have fun with that, Mr Edgelord.
This was my first joystick, too! Came bundled with my Micron pc back in 1993-ish. I still have it (along with said bundle). Thank you for the video!
Nice glasses Clint. Keep up the good stuff 2018.
Which brand are these glasses? =)
Chills on them startup sounds! Both the PC and the Windows! Nothing beats the spin-up sounds then the chimes! Great little video! My first joysticks were the single button one stick Atari joysticks that I kept for a long time and used on my Commodore 64 where I wore them completely out.
Thanks for another year of content to watch on the crapper. Do other people do that?
Yep
Also doing it right now
I love this guy. No matter what he does, he is passionate about the things he brings us. Keep going guy, Keep going!
NICE
BUT PROTO!
Buuuuut proooooooto!
@@planer283 no, nice >:]
My first joystick was an old Gravis Xterminator Dual Control which I got around 2003 or 2004. The only thing I ever played with it was an old copy of Star Wars: Tie Fighter, but I had an absolute blast playing that. Anyway, a few weeks ago my parents brought up some boxes of my old stuff up to my apartment and one of the things was the Gravis Xterminator, which was one of the few things to survive from my once extensive Computer Game collection I had when I was in High School. The thing the still works! Didn’t have to download any drivers or anything, just plug and play! So I have been spending some of the Christmas holidays replaying the version of Tie Fighter they have up on GoG using the same controller I used 15 years ago. It was one of the most special gaming experiences I had all year, especially as Tie Fighter still holds up extraordinarily well.
Greetings and happy new year.
This is awesome! I can remember my dad buying my first joystick after getting our first computer in 1997. It was a Logitech Wingman Warrior, which I still have. I too remember playing NFS:SE with it. Great memories!
Holy hell, that Win95 startup chime just made me time-travel. Nostalgia-bomb in the best way possible. Now I want to play some Star Wars Rebel Assault.
Watching this while eating NYD dinner, and I gotta say that I am always fond of how you play these kind of "sandbox flight games" as I guess you'd call it. TBH I'd do the same even today, just because it's more amusing to blow up the first things you see 😂
Great video as usual Clint, and hope you (as well as the rest of the LGR community) have an awesome 2018! 💙
Cool, now use it to beat dark souls.
You sir, are the main reason I even log into TH-cam these days. Keep it up Cand have a wonderful 2018 all the way from the UK.
Nice glasses!
I remember my first joystick it was an Tac 2 that i hade for my Atari 520ST. In the early 90s joystick fashion turned to favour smaller gadgets so i remember buying "The Bug". Great video keep on the good work.
Oh LGR, of course it LOOKS phallic. I don't think it's supposed to be though but it's ok, i can keep secrets ;)
P H A L L I C ?
First joystick we had was the gravis joystick. I remember playing everything with that, even Commander Keen. At some point I got a sidewinder and that is still my joystick to this day with an adapter to go from gameport to usb. I remember being so excited to have so many buttons to map to all the things in SimCopter.
The new glasses look good! Also, you made me want some mac & cheese.
My first joystick was a Saitek Cyborg of the early 2000's era, up until that point we didn't do much with game controllers we just used a keyboard. But then we got Flight Simulator 2003 and realized that we needed a joystick to play it efficiently. I still have that stick to this day and hook it up every once and a while and it holds a special place in my heart.
RIP camels
Hey I remember LHX I used to play it along with battlechess durring weekends in 2nd grade while watching the 7am cartoons. Thank you for taking me back there! You are awesome, keep up the great work!
Oh and my first joystick was a cheap no name chinese knockoff on which I played Crimson Skies and Eurofighter Typhoon and it was awesome :)
Lookin' good, Clint. 😎
Thanks for mentioning Brian Eno! Fun fact, he made the startup sound on a Mac. I'm sure you already knew that, but it blew my mind when I first found out.
Damn Clint your looking alot thinner!
I wish I could say the same for myself... =\
.... Or is it the glasses?
"your" is the incorrect form to use when referring to a person. Use "you're" instead.
Solvalou find you’re new soul 🤷🏻♂️
It is interesting watching your videos, Clint, and seeing your nostalgia for this era of hardware. I have a lot of fondness for 90s and 80s tech, but I didn't live through that time period. I was born in 94 and grew up with the final era of the 90s tech due to being part of a poor family, but more often than not it was a frustration for me rather than something to look back on fondly. Yet I have those same nostalgic feelings when I turn on a computer with an old school 5200RPM IDE drive and hear the thunk and clunk and grind of the disks. I love your videos man, thank you for the endless hours of content and enjoyment you share with us
I wish Clint would treat my joystick as a punching bag.
I only beat my own joystick.
Thanks Clint! That's an awesome episode! I remember getting my first joystick the day after Christmas, shopping with my Dad. I knew EXACTLY what I wanted, and sure enough they had one! My first was the Logitech Wingman Extreme Digital 3D. It looked amazing, and it had really cool features too, including it's wicked looking throttle, transparent blue Hat Switch, 7 Buttons, and a third axis which you could twist left to right with your wrist. In addition to all that Logitechy Goodness, it had an adapter allowing for Gameport or USB operation. In retrospect, it was a terrible piece of shit that freaked out or didn't work often just as you describe, but the childhood memory is overall a very fond one, and my favirote game to use it with was Descent and Descent 2. I murdered those games. Thank you very much for this episode.
Kraft makes bad food products, great football teams, and even more legendary joi boi stiqs
Can't think of a better way to start off the New Year by sitting back and watching another great LGR video. Here's hoping that there'll be tons more to come.
AC/DC would say....THUNDERSTICK! ♩♬
YES!
Imagine that in Axl Rose's voice; believe it or not, he's their new vocalist, lol
Martin Kronström Brian Johnson would be proud
Happy new year! My first joystick was a Quickshot 2, for my VIC 20 back in the mid 80's. Alas was left behind with a Commodore C-16 and an Amiga 500+ when a rapid house move was necessary :(
Yeah! Flop that joystick!
That monitor, pc and keyboard together feature just about every shade of beige and yellowed beige possible
i hope your hungry now. because i am.
YOU'RE*
Dude... I have such good memories of my first joystick too! I had a basic Logitech Wingman from around 1993 or so. I was around 10 years old at the time. I'd play Microsoft Flight Simulator while listening to Tom Petty's "Learning to Fly" ha ha!!! I also enjoyed hundreds of hours of time with it playing X-Wing and Tie Fighter! Oh man the good old days! Thanks so much for sharing Clint!
Need for Speed was a game before it was a movie!?
You’re kidding right? That franchise has been around for years!
I know the movies have been around for years, but I didn't know the game predated them. I remember watching the first Need for Speed back when I was in elementary school.
Phileos Sophia : There's only one Need For Speed -movie made very recently, based on the game series. Are you confusing them with Fast and The Furious?
You're correct. My bad. I was confusing it with the Fast and the Furious. Now it makes sense. I guess for some reason, I assumed Need for Speed was based on the Fast and the Furious, growing up.
Phileos Sophia : Well 'NFS: Underground' 1 and 2 kind of were inspired by it, and there are games made out of Fast and Furious so it's an easy mistake.
my first PC Joystick was a CH Flightstick Pro. My parents gave it to me because they thought I wanted/needed one to play Doom, but it went mostly unused until I got my hands in X-Wing and later on TIE Fighter and then Descent... them polygons.. Happy New Year PhReAk!
You were a weird kid 😋
That kid wasn't a weird. Also, you missed a "," after the word "weird".
Happy New Year, Clint! My first PC joystick was a Gravis Blackhawk around '97-98. I remember playing Test Drive 5, Flight Simulator 98, and later (via emulation) Pilotwings 64. Good times.
I remember being so excited about getting my Logitech WingMan Strike Force 3D in 2000: www.logitech.com/en-us/press/press-releases/1200 First USB joystick and first joystick with force feedback that I had. The first "joystick" I really remember using is the Atari 800 controllers. Haha.
Happy New Year!
My first joystick/game controller happened to be the Microsoft SideWinder, I liked it back then. Later, with games like MS Flight Simulator and Raptor: Call of the Shadows, a MS Force Feedback Pro joined the party. Great stuff!
Mine was the Gravis Mousestick II for the old Macintosh computers. Loved the heck out of that thing. Got two of them for two computers and they worked together in the Macintosh version of Decent on one computer in a huge daisy chain with the mouse on the serial port. Good times. Both of mine still work 21 years later...
I still love my old, cheap joystick that I had as a kid. Sometimes it just feels comfortable because we're used to it. Happy new year!
I had this joystick, my dad got it to play F-19 Stealth Fighter on our old 386. I used it to play Silpheed and Thexder. We had that thing for a while, eventually replaced it with a fancy Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro Joystick 2 or 3 PCs later. Takes me way back.
happy new years bud! glad this was the first video I've watched that says "2018". let the nostalgia flow wonders.
I wholeheartedly appreciate this sort of thing. My first joystick was a Performance brand PC Commander Plus, when i was like 3 or something. About four years ago there was a fire in my parents’ garage and all the computer stuff (among other things) out there and the attic above were totally ruined, including my old joystick. I was so ecstatic when a year later I found one CIB at a local thrift store. Sure, it’s not that great for ca. 1995, just a 4 button 2-axis with an 8-direction pov hat, but it was mine and I used it to beat Star Wars Tie Fighter and King’s Quest V as a kid.
Great stuff. You really should share more personal stuff like this LGR, even at an irregular rate. Nice to see your roots and all that.
And you also reminded me that I've been in a mood for mid-70's pop rock Eno since last night. Luckily I've got some great new headphones. Happy new year!
Your video quality is noticeably better. I actually went to status for nerds to see what the bitrate was. Congrats.
My first computer Joypad/Joystick was a Mega Drive (Genesis for everyone else) Mk.2 joypad for my Amiga A1200. We had the console around the same time too. So a 9-year-old me just looked at the plug and assumed it'll fit in the Amiga's DE-9 mouse port. Low cost for my Dad because he used to pick the things up for pennies in the late 90's, early 00's while I guess thrifting (in modern terms).
A new video from you is a great way to start the new year. I think you should break 1 million subs this year!
The first joystick I got was for the Amiga, it came with it as part of the entertainment pack and it was broken. So ended up only being able to play the games that had keyboard or mouse controls (until we got a working one). A few years later and I opened that old stick up and found out that when they screwed the case together it cut one of the wires, so I fixed it and man it was the best joystick ever (competition pro elite).
The first PC joystick was some quickshot that my Dad bought for the Amiga not realising that they were different :)
We kept it and a couple of years later I finally got to use it on my first PC!