@@CloudianMH Not sure what go digital means? Turn the tabletop into a video game? That would defeat the entire purpose of the hobby. Or maybe you mean make the rule books digital? You can get any book as an ebook already although I personally vastly prefer a hardcover book in my hand to flip through
@@Finalrellik99 agreed. Fantasy Flight went "digital" with their rules and points for X-Wing which means your lists keep getting broken/made illegal. They did this because they're incapable of making a balanced game...
The start of a new edition is the perfect time! Big ol' GW have said that there will be Starter Boxes (like this box, but smaller and (probably) cheaper) in case this box is too expensive, which it might well be.
Important point: Aircraft, despite being flyers, can still functionally leave combat and shoot. This is because they may make Normal Moves out of close combat, and do not Fall Back (p.213 of the new rulebook). Great video, Winters!
Yup: However, if your Warlord is in a Super-heavy Detachment and is a Titanic Knight, you’ll get those 6 Command points back, so you should still have 12 points to work with. Even if your Warlord is a War Dog (or Armiger, if you’re going loyal), you’ll get 3 Command points - enough to pay fully for a Super-heavy Detachment with no Titanic units. So, if you’re looking to assemble a deadly hunting pack of War Dogs, we’ve got you covered too.
@@daemonnexusknight I'm curious, say I was taking 2 titanic knights and 4 armigers, would that mean that I could take a superheavy, get refunded 6 for a titanic walord, then pay 3 for another detachment of armigers, so I would be left with 9CP before spending?
@@therealwildboar1007 yup, it would be 12 (start) - 6 (superheavy with titanic units) + 6 (knight lance rule with titanic warlord) - 3 (superheavy with no titanic units) = 9 (total), note for that list you could run the armigers in groups of up to 3 so you dont need to spend the 3 cp for the armiger only detachment, through thats only if you are fine with the same subfaction stuff for them
As a newbie just throwing his first army together this is massively helpful winters. Your battle reps are also wonderful listening for building and painting sessions
you can still string units out in a line just not fully 2" gap between each model, if there close enough the end one in a line will still be with 2" of the next two
In regards to daisychaining you still can but the best way would be what I’ve been calling a hopscotch method 1 model-2 models-1-2 and so on. This way if you lose a model and pull from the edge your remaining models will always be within range of two other models from its unit
Yes that will work okay and obviously you only need the two until you are down to five. I'll be like a team sports coach planning all these various formations not to lose too many to coherency
I just opened a box in the attic ..with a whole Blood Angel Army in it! 3x tactical m, Sanguine, D company (gray knights 10x marines) land raiders, dreadnoughts, storm raven etc all new on sprew. Plus bags and bags of pre heresy bits, like those khorne berzerker heads from the Cover of the 1st black liberty book ‘False Gods’, heresy armour from FWorld..hit me up if anyone wants it
There are two ways in which you can field Lords of War units such as Imperial Knights - either as a Super-heavy Detachment of 3-5 Knights, or singly as part of a Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment (usually as an allied Detachment). Even though it may at first seem expensive (as Titanic units, it will cost 6 Command points to include a Super-heavy Detachment of Imperial Knights), it’s possible to get those CPs refunded, like the ‘core’ Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachments.*
I love the new close combat rules. Cause before you basically had 2 rounds of combat before your units could fight (you charged, fail to kill the other player, other player fights, now other players turn, other players fights 2nd time in a row, and you fought if there were any guys left) now its 1 round of fighting and it seems fair
Winters, at 25:16, you say that you can conga-charge in 9th just as in 8th, and I think this might need some clarification, due to updated coherency rules. To my understanding, you cant complete any move, charge, pile in or consolidation being out of coherency (same in 8th). In your example, its just 5 models in the unit, so the coherency rule for that specific charge would be fulfilled, but if it was a 6+ model unit, they would need to fulfill the 2-model coherency rule explained just earlier in the video. Thereby, the conga-charge is slightly modified in 9th, i.e you need to think about the added coherency rule for bigger units.
I don't understand. Models have to remain in coherency. The example I gave shows 5 models in unit coherency. The next example shows model placement after the fight phase.
@@wintersSEO Right, what I meant is that "conga-charge just as in 8th" is actually only valid for units of 5 or less models. Since we are trying to figure out the changes in 9th compared to 8th, I figured this could be good to point out as it wasnt an issue in your specific example. If you had 6+ models in that charging unit their footprint would actually be less due to coherency rules (triangle in each end), and maybe not able to tag both Armigers even, and still in a bad position if losing any models later in the fight and morale phase. Positioning models becomes very important, need to consider these new rules in 9th.
Couple of extra things: 1. Vehicles can move vertically up obstacles! (you may mention this is your next video) 2. If any-one in the unit moves, the unit counts as moving so heavy weapon penalty for infantry.
you can still very easily daisychain providing you are using 25mm or 32mm bases - even a 40mm will work. Two inches is 52mm, as long as they are more or less in base to base contact you can daisy chain units, you don't need these two deep ends or ranks of units at all, you just cannot daisy chain quite as far. The models at the end will still be within 52mm of two models.
Very cool stuff, great summary Winters! With Big Guns Never Tire and the change to heavy weapons, I've got a feeling my Salamanders dreadnoughts will do nicely in this edition. Does anyone know if/when they will release official FAQ/updates to each army? With big changes, like overwatch, they're gonna need to do something (beyond the faction focus articles) for armies like Tau. Kinda hoping any rules updates like these will be released soon for free, as opposed to buying Chapter Approved and then the new codex a few months from now!
Is there something to address unit coherency when you fall below a certain model threshold? Those custodes terms that come in squads of 3 for example do they just all die to coherency rules if they lose 1 guy?
Very glad they made some of the unique oddities part of the command phase. I wonder if they’re going to make any modifications to the imperial guard based on that system?
@@Outbackpandaman Number of factors. Namely the 'I Am Alpharius' trait ensures that they always have a Warlord, but they also have a fair number of stratagems that permit them to redeploy and reposition troops essentially at will, which seems extremely powerful with these new rules. Of course, that's the Alpha Legion of 8th Edition, not 9th, so they could be severely nerfed or buffed in the future but, as it stands, they could be a surprisingly strong presence in 9th Edition.
@@Brutalyte616 I agree alpha legion looks good with this, but, on the other hand all their -1 fun times have been gutted. I miss my -3 to hit lord with jetpack already. (legion trait, warlord trait, shattered sword. Could even go to -4 with miasma). I just find it a bit odd to remove a mechanic that AL and harelquins I believe are more or less built around
@@inkyinky85 Actually I think the Alpha Legion are really built on running interference, namely with the repositioning and redeployment stratagems, but also because they have a myriad of other stratagems that allow them to shoot while falling back, take reaction shots as if it were their regular shooting phase, and screw with their opponent's turn in several different ways. And that's before 'I Am Alpharius' effectively adds a trait randomizer to every model in your army, meaning you're mildly incentivised to run you Warlord on suicide missions and laugh as your opponent cannot fulfill their objectives until they completely table you. But again, that's 8th Edition rules.
Awesome update Winters :) trying to figure out how i get a stompa in with my orks still with kulture traits :) Was nice to see you in the GW store in Swindon other day :)
There was a preview last week that if u run a knight warlord in the super heavy detachment it makes that detachment free like running a normal warlord in a battalion.
Not played for about 20 years now, has much changed? haha. Started painting my Tau army during lockdown. Then found out about 9th coming out, seems like a good time to start playing again. My AoS Lumineth Realm-Lords box set arrived this morning too :) I got the bug again.
the cap on modifiers is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf to my death guards combat damage output, either blightlords or marines, the veterans+ blades combo was what made that whole things work. wondering if that totally changes what i do now.
Interesting statistical changes here. The Auto success on a 6 will be very good for big units with lots of attacks but balanced out by shorter engagement range and lots more chances to lose minis on failed morale tests.
One note from the movement face and regarding Heavy weapons. 9th edition, the only troops that get a -1 for moving and shooting Heavy weapons are infantry. The rule states that IF THE (infantry) UNIT models have moved for any reason, the shooting model/s with heavy weapons will have a -1 on the shooting phase. They also gave a name for "not moving", "Remain stationary" which says that NO MODEL of the unit can perform a move or advance movement, they must stay put. Therefore, one of the common "tactics" used in 8th, were you had a 5 man marine squad, 1 with a heavy weapon and 4 with boltguns, and you could move the 4 ones to protect an objective while the heavy weapon's dude would not move (as long as it remained in unit coherency) and doing that, he wouldn't get a -1 to hit, it's gone. Now you either move or not. You either assume your -1 to hit or stay put with the whole unit. In a 5 man squad man it might not be a big difference, but larger troops with 1 or 2 heavy weapons on it, well, there will be some decisions to make. These are good news for Iron hands, Thousand sons and armies that have a Rule that allows them to move and shoot heavy weapons without penalties tho.
Friendly reminder that for that 3-6CP Lord of War detachment, if your warlord is in it, you get the CP back. At least for Knights, because they already had this rule as one of their battleforged abilities.
Fighting against say a mob of 30 Orks but only 10 are in engagement range (5 at front withing ½ inch and 5 second rank within ½ inch of first rank) - the remainder of the mob (20) are not able to engage. If I kill say 5 Orks in total in my turn or fightback does my opponent have to remove models that are actually in engagement with me or can they take them from the 20 backing up behind??
I know you mentioned normal matched play rules a bit, but those sound like the new Eternal War. Please tell me that malestrom of war isn't gone? Malestrom of war is just too fun and easy to follow.
Seven minutes into the video. Looks interesting. Should also say it's probly a good idea to wait until the first chapter approved to see stuff get balanced.
Okay, so it seems tanks can't drive out of combat like in earlier editions? And they cannot tank shock units out of the way, am I right? And you said hull facing there at the end. Please tell me they are bringing back armor facings on vehicles.
So in combat patrol missions can we only ever play with a patrol detachment ? I was putting a fun fluffy inquisition 500point list together and realised that Inquisition has zero troops , so would only be able to field a vanguard , 1 HQ / 3 x acolyte units/jokeros but it seems i would have zero CP right ?
@@cromcraft3494 it seems that way, still i am hoping maybe pariah has something rules wise to help inquisition for this . perhaps a rule for combat patrol to make them at least game playable ha
Is there a change to the rule when a vehicle is destroyed? It explicitly states now that you must disembark -before- the model is removed. This would mean you cannot utilize the terrain where the model itself was sitting. Seems like this could make getting models out of transports that are destroyed by close combat much harder.
that has been the case for a while, the 9e change is it is now wholly within 3" rather than just within 3", through has the new emergency disembark stratagem that lets you go up to 6" at the cost of higher chance to die
Is there anything in the 'Rare Rules' section to address 1+ save rolls? Basically there has been some discussion about a unit with a native 2+ save receiving the benefit of a bonus to their save. Say they are shot with a las-cannon (-3AP) and roll a 2. Since modifiers for AP are applied to the dice and dice can't result in negative numbers, we are left with a 1 on the saving throw roll. It seems to suggest that anything except a natural 1 would pass the save regardless of the weapons AP.
Are you asking how a 2+ armour save reacts to a -3 AP and +1 save...because it would result in a 4+ armour save, hit modifiers have also been capped at + or - 1. Not sure where the 1 comes from in your example, sorry.
@@stuartmathers7384 actually the stormshield rules. The change to 4++, +1 armor save on the new datasheets have people suggesting that you can wind up with Save 1+ The section in the rules everyone is quoting is on pg 5 Dice of the basic rules. The AP modifier applies to dice roll. And it says you can't have a negative result. So if I roll a 2, against an AP-4 attack, my actual save roll is a 1.
With engagement range, do you have to have line of sight to attack? So in the example you showed, if the DG had been at the back of the terrain, could the dread have walked under the ruin and still be able to hit then? (being within an inch/ 5) Hope that makes sense, cheers
I’m very confused on line of sight when selecting a target unit to shoot at. Where do I draw the line of sight from on the models base? And to where on the enemy models base
Personally I think they should change “charging” instead of making it 2D6 charge roles make it 6’ + 2D3 makes charging a little more reliable and if you decide to deep strike a unit u can still miss ur charge but it’s less likely.
One question matters will we be able to buy this limited box? So far the confusion surrounding this single point has been spoiling a lot of the positives around such a sweet set.
@@Swampsong117 gw have only said limited. Time or numbers is the question? And if time how long. Days weeks months the 3 years before the next edition.
It'll be available to purchase for 2 weeks starting July 11th. That's your length of time and date window. If you pre-order in that 2 week window you will receive a box set. That's your number of box sets. It means they're not limiting the production to a set total. If you order at any time in that 2 week period you WILL get a set.
I feel like the half inch range thing for being engaged in CC and the new charging order is gonna be a pretty huge nerf to CC. They say they’re buffing assault, but I’m really not sure that there’s more buffs to CC than there are nerfs
I wish units in close combat could fight simultaneously so your unit won't get completely murdered before they can do anything back. Or at least half of the models that died could fight back.
its effectively gone, now its you add all the positive and negative modifiers and then cap at +/-1 meaning that the +2 if there are no negative modifiers still gets capped at +1, meaning its main use is to ignore any hit negatives
Hmmm, might be time to strap those flamers back on the Sister's Infernos, cram them full of Valorous sisters, and ram them smack into the closest caster.
It's not really targeting new players, it's targeting players already familiar with 8th edition. Still, I can imagine 40k being pretty overwhelming for new players anyways^^
RIP Flamer Overwatch ... Also it feels very conterintuitive not to fire at a charging unit. I mean when poxwalkers walk towards you and then charge, having the only resistance be melee is ... weird.
Just wanted to let ya know about Chaos/Imperial Knights. For Imperial knights and Chaos Knights, you get refunded those points per Warhammer Community article in a faq update. If your Warlord is a Chaos Knight or Imperial Knight in that detachment. www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/28/faction-focus-chaos-knights/
"Not much happened in overwatch" My buddy who played Nids against my Tau would like a word with you (Bringing BOTH his charging hive tyrants down to 2 and 1 wound respectively with my broadsides).
Well.... I actually want a game system that is not changing every other year. To be honest it really annoys me. You never have the chance to have the rules memorized and just play. You need to always check again and again because you're not sure anymore if you got it right. To me, it dramatically reduces the fun of the game. And that's sad. A thing that I despise in particular is when it gets obvious that rules are being changed in order to sell the new models only to change them again once you bought it because they were overpowered from the start.
New rules keeps the game fresh, and more importantly balanced. This is like complaining about new consoles and GPUs because you have to spend more money and never adapt to the current graphics of videogames.
😫 I’m sitting here painting a new Salamander army heavily based on a front line of flamers daring opponents to charge. No overwatch! Great! Putting this army straight into the bin 🤬
It stated in the article on the community site that both of the available primarchs currently covered as supreme commanders and I imagine new models within a similar power bracket will join them when they are released
I've been thinking of getting into 40k for a looong time, now just be the time for it!
Start of a brand new edition? Absolutely perfect time. Start with one of the appropriately named "start collecting" boxes
@@CloudianMH Not sure what go digital means? Turn the tabletop into a video game? That would defeat the entire purpose of the hobby. Or maybe you mean make the rule books digital? You can get any book as an ebook already although I personally vastly prefer a hardcover book in my hand to flip through
@@Finalrellik99 agreed. Fantasy Flight went "digital" with their rules and points for X-Wing which means your lists keep getting broken/made illegal. They did this because they're incapable of making a balanced game...
I have been thinking the same and the new Necrons are very cool.
The start of a new edition is the perfect time! Big ol' GW have said that there will be Starter Boxes (like this box, but smaller and (probably) cheaper) in case this box is too expensive, which it might well be.
Cap'n Winters giving the foot soldiers a briefing. Time for a brew and a view! 😁
my second favorite cap'n after cap'n crunch
*briefing 😉
Love your channel! No silly voices, no over the topness, no silly sounds effects. Just tonnes if pure Warhammer goodness! Thank you!
Warp anomalies detected! Winter went from fuzzy, to clean shaven, back to fuzzy again. Tis truely the end times.
Important point: Aircraft, despite being flyers, can still functionally leave combat and shoot. This is because they may make Normal Moves out of close combat, and do not Fall Back (p.213 of the new rulebook).
Great video, Winters!
Thank you buddy, this is exactly what i was wondering about, my crisis suits, by all accounts most likely owe you their lives lol.
@@jasonnorris3292 What? Crisis Suits aren't Aircraft. They have been nerfed.
I believe it was stating in the chaos knights faction focus that imperial and chaos knights will be refunded the CP cost of a Superheavy detachment
Yup: However, if your Warlord is in a Super-heavy Detachment and is a Titanic Knight, you’ll get those 6 Command points back, so you should still have 12 points to work with. Even if your Warlord is a War Dog (or Armiger, if you’re going loyal), you’ll get 3 Command points - enough to pay fully for a Super-heavy Detachment with no Titanic units. So, if you’re looking to assemble a deadly hunting pack of War Dogs, we’ve got you covered too.
@@daemonnexusknight I'm curious, say I was taking 2 titanic knights and 4 armigers, would that mean that I could take a superheavy, get refunded 6 for a titanic walord, then pay 3 for another detachment of armigers, so I would be left with 9CP before spending?
@@therealwildboar1007 yup, it would be 12 (start) - 6 (superheavy with titanic units) + 6 (knight lance rule with titanic warlord) - 3 (superheavy with no titanic units) = 9 (total), note for that list you could run the armigers in groups of up to 3 so you dont need to spend the 3 cp for the armiger only detachment, through thats only if you are fine with the same subfaction stuff for them
As a newbie just throwing his first army together this is massively helpful winters. Your battle reps are also wonderful listening for building and painting sessions
I like the coherency check, similar to AOS and I really like it in AOS as it makes you think about where you pull models from.
Was relieved to see the clean shave when future winters popped in via edit ;^) Great content cheers sir! 🍻
Ah and a good badallion to you as well sir!
InDEED!
Thanks winters, always appreciate what you offer!
I love the idea of a dread reaching up through a floor and dragging down some poor ork
you can still string units out in a line just not fully 2" gap between each model, if there close enough the end one in a line will still be with 2" of the next two
In regards to daisychaining you still can but the best way would be what I’ve been calling a hopscotch method 1 model-2 models-1-2 and so on. This way if you lose a model and pull from the edge your remaining models will always be within range of two other models from its unit
Yes that will work okay and obviously you only need the two until you are down to five.
I'll be like a team sports coach planning all these various formations not to lose too many to coherency
I just opened a box in the attic ..with a whole Blood Angel Army in it! 3x tactical m, Sanguine, D company (gray knights 10x marines) land raiders, dreadnoughts, storm raven etc all new on sprew. Plus bags and bags of pre heresy bits, like those khorne berzerker heads from the Cover of the 1st black liberty book ‘False Gods’, heresy armour from FWorld..hit me up if anyone wants it
What Grey Knight stuff did you find?
I want it
Really good breakdown of the new rules. Cleared up a few that I was having trouble really understanding so thanks for that. 🙂
There are two ways in which you can field Lords of War units such as Imperial Knights - either as a Super-heavy Detachment of 3-5 Knights, or singly as part of a Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachment (usually as an allied Detachment). Even though it may at first seem expensive (as Titanic units, it will cost 6 Command points to include a Super-heavy Detachment of Imperial Knights), it’s possible to get those CPs refunded, like the ‘core’ Patrol, Battalion and Brigade Detachments.*
Was confused on alot of things with the detachments until now thank you winter
Damn Winters, those were some epic pit stains! Thanks for the explanations of the rules, really helpful.
Thank you for the video it was really enjoyable to watch and there was a lot of new rules to comment, congrats!!!
I love the new close combat rules. Cause before you basically had 2 rounds of combat before your units could fight (you charged, fail to kill the other player, other player fights, now other players turn, other players fights 2nd time in a row, and you fought if there were any guys left) now its 1 round of fighting and it seems fair
Thanks for putting this together! Very helpful---great job!
Thanks for the video. Very helpful, straightforward to understand. Professor Winters in session!
Winters, at 25:16, you say that you can conga-charge in 9th just as in 8th, and I think this might need some clarification, due to updated coherency rules. To my understanding, you cant complete any move, charge, pile in or consolidation being out of coherency (same in 8th). In your example, its just 5 models in the unit, so the coherency rule for that specific charge would be fulfilled, but if it was a 6+ model unit, they would need to fulfill the 2-model coherency rule explained just earlier in the video. Thereby, the conga-charge is slightly modified in 9th, i.e you need to think about the added coherency rule for bigger units.
I don't understand. Models have to remain in coherency. The example I gave shows 5 models in unit coherency. The next example shows model placement after the fight phase.
@@wintersSEO Right, what I meant is that "conga-charge just as in 8th" is actually only valid for units of 5 or less models. Since we are trying to figure out the changes in 9th compared to 8th, I figured this could be good to point out as it wasnt an issue in your specific example.
If you had 6+ models in that charging unit their footprint would actually be less due to coherency rules (triangle in each end), and maybe not able to tag both Armigers even, and still in a bad position if losing any models later in the fight and morale phase. Positioning models becomes very important, need to consider these new rules in 9th.
thanks for this effort..thumbs up! (the demo with the models really helps! hope to see further updates like this as the 9th ed coming out)
Couple of extra things:
1. Vehicles can move vertically up obstacles! (you may mention this is your next video)
2. If any-one in the unit moves, the unit counts as moving so heavy weapon penalty for infantry.
you can still very easily daisychain providing you are using 25mm or 32mm bases - even a 40mm will work. Two inches is 52mm, as long as they are more or less in base to base contact you can daisy chain units, you don't need these two deep ends or ranks of units at all, you just cannot daisy chain quite as far. The models at the end will still be within 52mm of two models.
Very cool stuff, great summary Winters! With Big Guns Never Tire and the change to heavy weapons, I've got a feeling my Salamanders dreadnoughts will do nicely in this edition. Does anyone know if/when they will release official FAQ/updates to each army? With big changes, like overwatch, they're gonna need to do something (beyond the faction focus articles) for armies like Tau. Kinda hoping any rules updates like these will be released soon for free, as opposed to buying Chapter Approved and then the new codex a few months from now!
Is there something to address unit coherency when you fall below a certain model threshold? Those custodes terms that come in squads of 3 for example do they just all die to coherency rules if they lose 1 guy?
Very glad they made some of the unique oddities part of the command phase. I wonder if they’re going to make any modifications to the imperial guard based on that system?
As someone who plays predominantly against Tau players, the "Not much happens in overwatch" did make me splutter...
The Alpha Legion are going to have _fun_ with this...
Why that?
@@Outbackpandaman Number of factors. Namely the 'I Am Alpharius' trait ensures that they always have a Warlord, but they also have a fair number of stratagems that permit them to redeploy and reposition troops essentially at will, which seems extremely powerful with these new rules. Of course, that's the Alpha Legion of 8th Edition, not 9th, so they could be severely nerfed or buffed in the future but, as it stands, they could be a surprisingly strong presence in 9th Edition.
@@Brutalyte616 I agree alpha legion looks good with this, but, on the other hand all their -1 fun times have been gutted. I miss my -3 to hit lord with jetpack already. (legion trait, warlord trait, shattered sword. Could even go to -4 with miasma). I just find it a bit odd to remove a mechanic that AL and harelquins I believe are more or less built around
@@inkyinky85 Actually I think the Alpha Legion are really built on running interference, namely with the repositioning and redeployment stratagems, but also because they have a myriad of other stratagems that allow them to shoot while falling back, take reaction shots as if it were their regular shooting phase, and screw with their opponent's turn in several different ways. And that's before 'I Am Alpharius' effectively adds a trait randomizer to every model in your army, meaning you're mildly incentivised to run you Warlord on suicide missions and laugh as your opponent cannot fulfill their objectives until they completely table you. But again, that's 8th Edition rules.
Great summary and well done.
Hi Winters, great Job, thanks. Does this mean all old missions are defunct?
Awesome update Winters :) trying to figure out how i get a stompa in with my orks still with kulture traits :) Was nice to see you in the GW store in Swindon other day :)
Winters thanks for this. Great vid. I am excited for 9th but I better re base my 25mm Objective markers.
Didn’t mention that Heroic Interventions are treated differently with the intervening character being able to be attacked.
There was a preview last week that if u run a knight warlord in the super heavy detachment it makes that detachment free like running a normal warlord in a battalion.
Not played for about 20 years now, has much changed? haha. Started painting my Tau army during lockdown. Then found out about 9th coming out, seems like a good time to start playing again. My AoS Lumineth Realm-Lords box set arrived this morning too :) I got the bug again.
the cap on modifiers is a huuuuuuuuuuge nerf to my death guards combat damage output, either blightlords or marines, the veterans+ blades combo was what made that whole things work. wondering if that totally changes what i do now.
You can tell winters has been reading about his new tau by the amount of examples with tau he gives lol
Great video, really cleared up a few things for us all. 👍
Interesting statistical changes here. The Auto success on a 6 will be very good for big units with lots of attacks but balanced out by shorter engagement range and lots more chances to lose minis on failed morale tests.
As always amazing content,just can we up your audio game ? Like just some dampening or something
But the important question is will Sol Garro get to be a supreme commander?
I think we should vote to get winters count him as being one
Sadly they mostly have to stick to rules on youtube
One note from the movement face and regarding Heavy weapons.
9th edition, the only troops that get a -1 for moving and shooting Heavy weapons are infantry. The rule states that IF THE (infantry) UNIT models have moved for any reason, the shooting model/s with heavy weapons will have a -1 on the shooting phase.
They also gave a name for "not moving", "Remain stationary" which says that NO MODEL of the unit can perform a move or advance movement, they must stay put.
Therefore, one of the common "tactics" used in 8th, were you had a 5 man marine squad, 1 with a heavy weapon and 4 with boltguns, and you could move the 4 ones to protect an objective while the heavy weapon's dude would not move (as long as it remained in unit coherency) and doing that, he wouldn't get a -1 to hit, it's gone.
Now you either move or not. You either assume your -1 to hit or stay put with the whole unit. In a 5 man squad man it might not be a big difference, but larger troops with 1 or 2 heavy weapons on it, well, there will be some decisions to make.
These are good news for Iron hands, Thousand sons and armies that have a Rule that allows them to move and shoot heavy weapons without penalties tho.
>concise
>50min
damn must be a lot of rules
this is WH40k after all, lol
So helpful Winters. Thanks!
I love how Winters says this wont be a rambling video, then proceeds to ramble for 50 min. haha. Love you Winters!
Great video as normal Mr Winters.. when we having another game?
Friendly reminder that for that 3-6CP Lord of War detachment, if your warlord is in it, you get the CP back. At least for Knights, because they already had this rule as one of their battleforged abilities.
Fighting against say a mob of 30 Orks but only 10 are in engagement range (5 at front withing ½ inch and 5 second rank within ½ inch of first rank) - the remainder of the mob (20) are not able to engage. If I kill say 5 Orks in total in my turn or fightback does my opponent have to remove models that are actually in engagement with me or can they take them from the 20 backing up behind??
I know you mentioned normal matched play rules a bit, but those sound like the new Eternal War. Please tell me that malestrom of war isn't gone? Malestrom of war is just too fun and easy to follow.
This game is getting too complex again I fear.
Seven minutes into the video. Looks interesting. Should also say it's probly a good idea to wait until the first chapter approved to see stuff get balanced.
Okay, so it seems tanks can't drive out of combat like in earlier editions? And they cannot tank shock units out of the way, am I right? And you said hull facing there at the end. Please tell me they are bringing back armor facings on vehicles.
So in combat patrol missions can we only ever play with a patrol detachment ? I was putting a fun fluffy inquisition 500point list together and realised that Inquisition has zero troops , so would only be able to field a vanguard , 1 HQ / 3 x acolyte units/jokeros but it seems i would have zero CP right ?
9th is really limiting options.
@@cromcraft3494 it seems that way, still i am hoping maybe pariah has something rules wise to help inquisition for this . perhaps a rule for combat patrol to make them at least game playable ha
Is there a change to the rule when a vehicle is destroyed? It explicitly states now that you must disembark -before- the model is removed. This would mean you cannot utilize the terrain where the model itself was sitting. Seems like this could make getting models out of transports that are destroyed by close combat much harder.
that has been the case for a while, the 9e change is it is now wholly within 3" rather than just within 3", through has the new emergency disembark stratagem that lets you go up to 6" at the cost of higher chance to die
Is there anything in the 'Rare Rules' section to address 1+ save rolls? Basically there has been some discussion about a unit with a native 2+ save receiving the benefit of a bonus to their save. Say they are shot with a las-cannon (-3AP) and roll a 2. Since modifiers for AP are applied to the dice and dice can't result in negative numbers, we are left with a 1 on the saving throw roll. It seems to suggest that anything except a natural 1 would pass the save regardless of the weapons AP.
Are you asking how a 2+ armour save reacts to a -3 AP and +1 save...because it would result in a 4+ armour save, hit modifiers have also been capped at + or - 1. Not sure where the 1 comes from in your example, sorry.
@@stuartmathers7384 actually the stormshield rules. The change to 4++, +1 armor save on the new datasheets have people suggesting that you can wind up with Save 1+
The section in the rules everyone is quoting is on pg 5 Dice of the basic rules. The AP modifier applies to dice roll. And it says you can't have a negative result. So if I roll a 2, against an AP-4 attack, my actual save roll is a 1.
@@kingofcoinjock Oh I've not seen this (Ork Player no such nonsense) FAQ coming up then
It appears that you are struggling not to say Badallion....
Battenberg controversial
Ahh yes badallion
...and a good day to you sir!
It is a disgusting thing.
Today I am taking a dual Badallion...
Well. I'm only 4 minutes in... - BUT!! - I can safely say this is the greatest video ever on the TH-cam!! Well done Winters!
Thanks for the video and breakdown!
Q: -1 for Heavy, what about my Mechanicum Destroyers. they still dont suffer -1 when they move right?
This is just what I needed! Thanks winters!
Its nice to be blue poster boy in the 9th
With engagement range, do you have to have line of sight to attack? So in the example you showed, if the DG had been at the back of the terrain, could the dread have walked under the ruin and still be able to hit then? (being within an inch/ 5) Hope that makes sense, cheers
there is no mention of needing line of sight for melee only ranged, so yes units can now punch through floors
wholly within 3 when disembarking is gonna be very tricky with the new 32mm bases that are getting standard across the board
I’m very confused on line of sight when selecting a target unit to shoot at. Where do I draw the line of sight from on the models base? And to where on the enemy models base
Personally I think they should change “charging” instead of making it 2D6 charge roles make it 6’ + 2D3 makes charging a little more reliable and if you decide to deep strike a unit u can still miss ur charge but it’s less likely.
Winters, how long does it take you to dust all those models and shelves?
One question matters will we be able to buy this limited box? So far the confusion surrounding this single point has been spoiling a lot of the positives around such a sweet set.
There’s a two week Pre-order window. Apparently if you want it you’ll be able to get one, it’s not limited numbers just available for a limited time.
Available for preorder 11th July. Release 25th July
@@Swampsong117 gw have only said limited. Time or numbers is the question? And if time how long. Days weeks months the 3 years before the next edition.
Mark Berryman time. They said there’s enough for everyone wants one.
It'll be available to purchase for 2 weeks starting July 11th. That's your length of time and date window. If you pre-order in that 2 week window you will receive a box set. That's your number of box sets. It means they're not limiting the production to a set total. If you order at any time in that 2 week period you WILL get a set.
Thank you for this, great content
Thanks Winters.
I feel like the half inch range thing for being engaged in CC and the new charging order is gonna be a pretty huge nerf to CC. They say they’re buffing assault, but I’m really not sure that there’s more buffs to CC than there are nerfs
engagement range is now 1" horizontally and 5" vertically, not half an inch
Wooooo, veeeeeery excited for this video ^.^
Thank you for doing this vid
"Adeptus Titanicus rules are complex and clunky". Stares at you in Battletech.
He says that in the video? Hm might have to take everything he says with a grain of salt then. AT is fantastic.
Great video.
Will dark elder 3 patrols be exempt?
I wish units in close combat could fight simultaneously so your unit won't get completely murdered before they can do anything back. Or at least half of the models that died could fight back.
Do i need too make a detachment to play ?
Thank you!!
What happens to the +2 to hit roll for Admech? Is that gone or ok because it's an explicit strat?
its effectively gone, now its you add all the positive and negative modifiers and then cap at +/-1 meaning that the +2 if there are no negative modifiers still gets capped at +1, meaning its main use is to ignore any hit negatives
If you are already shooting at a -1 to hit, then that roll will work to its full effect, otherwise it will only give a +1 to hit.
So, you can kill stuff that could not have retaliated right?
Hmmm, might be time to strap those flamers back on the Sister's Infernos, cram them full of Valorous sisters, and ram them smack into the closest caster.
I can see how a new player watching this video would be crying in a corner right about now :P
It's not really targeting new players, it's targeting players already familiar with 8th edition. Still, I can imagine 40k being pretty overwhelming for new players anyways^^
@@VulpesScabiosa It was a satyr on Winters for his rambling through everything and tripping up in a couple of spots...All in good fun.
RIP Flamer Overwatch ...
Also it feels very conterintuitive not to fire at a charging unit. I mean when poxwalkers walk towards you and then charge, having the only resistance be melee is ... weird.
Great job 👍
Winters is Crusade as complex as you feared?
When taking the attrition test if you're below half strength on a unit models fail on '1s' and '2s'
Yes and since it doesn't say 1s and 2s but that it's modified i suspect that armies like night lords will have additional modifiers
Just wanted to let ya know about Chaos/Imperial Knights. For Imperial knights and Chaos Knights, you get refunded those points per Warhammer Community article in a faq update. If your Warlord is a Chaos Knight or Imperial Knight in that detachment. www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/28/faction-focus-chaos-knights/
If your Warlord is in a Super-heavy Detachment and is a Titanic Knight, you’ll get those 6 Command points back.
only if its a imperial or chaos knight
When does the 9the edition rule book come out?
The box will be available on the 25th
"Not much happened in overwatch" My buddy who played Nids against my Tau would like a word with you (Bringing BOTH his charging hive tyrants down to 2 and 1 wound respectively with my broadsides).
Well, nothing changed there. You still got your Overwatch.
if a model has to disembark entirely within 3, what happens if the model has more than a 3" base?
What model with a bigger than 3" base can be in a vehicle? Isnt it generally just infantry the can go in?
Oh yeah!
Well.... I actually want a game system that is not changing every other year. To be honest it really annoys me. You never have the chance to have the rules memorized and just play. You need to always check again and again because you're not sure anymore if you got it right. To me, it dramatically reduces the fun of the game. And that's sad.
A thing that I despise in particular is when it gets obvious that rules are being changed in order to sell the new models only to change them again once you bought it because they were overpowered from the start.
ervv müller maybe you are a good candidate for 30k? Very few updates, at least 5 years between releases.
@@brianwawok8212 Maybe i should look in to that. Thx
You can still play older versions?
New rules keeps the game fresh, and more importantly balanced. This is like complaining about new consoles and GPUs because you have to spend more money and never adapt to the current graphics of videogames.
I agreee very very strongly.
I have watched your 40K games when you play, i have heard your voice earliear, funny to see what you really look, silly Ultramarines player :D
Lovely!
😫 I’m sitting here painting a new Salamander army heavily based on a front line of flamers daring opponents to charge. No overwatch! Great! Putting this army straight into the bin 🤬
You still can it will just cost a CP which with flamers will still be a powerful strategy, and on your next turn you will get that point back.
A slight over reaction.
Question: whats a Supreme Commader? Is a Key word or a model that i can give that Key word?
probably in the day 1 faq or the new chapter approved
It is a new keyword probably for things like abadon
probably a named character that is unique hq
@@he1ar1 lol some armies have no named characters
It stated in the article on the community site that both of the available primarchs currently covered as supreme commanders and I imagine new models within a similar power bracket will join them when they are released
thanks 4 the vid also how you get the book already so green right now lmao