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Perseus approached Medousa as she slept and beheaded her with eyes averted to avoid her petrifying visage. On his journey back to Greece, Perseus came across the Aithiopian (Ethiopian) princess Andromeda chained to a rock as a sacrifice to a sea-monster. He slew the beast and brought her with him back to Greece as his bride. Upon reaching Seriphos, the hero turned King Polydektes to stone, and then travelled on to his grandfather's kingdom to claim the throne.
If you don't already have this planned I suggest looking at Celtic mythology. I know you've covered Arthur but that's only a small, and somewhat tangential, aspect of it. With the relatively modern revival of alleged ancient Celtic practices and the pan-European influence of Celtic culture it might be a series in its own right but I'm sure you could do it justice.
Thanks for the video, very insightful! If I may offer a suggestion, could you lift the treble setting on the audio as it sounds muffled on a smaller speaker?
It comes out muffled on a bigger sound system as well, the dialogue has too much bass coming out of my subwoofer, and it's hard to listen to at times. So yes, a bit of brighter EQ would make these fine videos even better.
Perseus being conceived by Zeus giving his mom a golden shower and then being rescued from the sea by a guy name dicktease seems like most legit version to me!
Most excellent. After listening to you two mention & discuss all the different stories & their variations I am no longer angry with all the liberties the makers of the 1981 Clash of the Titans took with the Perseus/Medusa story especially since we got such a cute animated mechanical owl out of it 😉
Guys, sorry if you talked about and I just didn't listen to, but have you seen anything about the horse medusa? I've seen some mentions of her having the body of a horse, what would justify Pegasus being her offspring, but never really invested much time reading about it.
I thought I remembered reading that Medusa having the body of a horse came from some of the older versions of story and over time that was changed for whatever reason. If anyone could confirm that or knows what happened a follow up would be much appreciated.
Hey guys. I love your content. I have been searching for about 6 months for your source on Medusa being found in the Atlas mountains. Can you help me out with a link or a hint?
Random pronunciation note, AE in names and words like heraclidae is normally pronounced as “eye” (although it is ok to pronounce it as EE like in Caesar and I’ve heard many who say it that way) its generally used in Latin spellings of Greek words in place of ai, like in heraklidai (ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΔΑΙ) vs the Latin spelling heraclidae
This is the one and only nitpick complaint about this channel/podcast I could really have. At least they know they are mispronouncing things and are pretty up front about it. Good to own it rather than pretend it's not happening lol.
Herodotus does not really say that the Persians were descended from Perseus, nor even that they believed themselves to be descended from Perseus, but merely that they CLAIMED to be descended from Perseus. This is best understood as propaganda and diplomacy and nothing more. For another example, see 1 Maccabees 12:21, in which the Spartans claim to be descended from Abraham. It would be absurd to think the Spartans actually believed that, but it might be a convenient fiction on which to found a temporary alliance.
I really hope Linear B gets decoded relatively soon, I would love to know how badly the classical Hellens butchered thier own past. Also I'll a little miffed if you don't mention the attempts to syncretize Perseus with Mithras/Mitras (technically most of that was done in Bactria, so the more Urdu variation would be more accurate, than the former Latin.)
Linear B is decoded, it's Linear A that hasn't been deciphered yet. There are no literary works written in Linear B, but there are hundreds of tablets on which the Mycenaeans inscribed writings to in order to keep records. Those give some information about the names of their Gods and the hierarchy of the Mycenean world. All of this written in Proto-Greek.
Absolutely LOVED the episode- I really enjoy learning about how these types of things evolve and change as time goes on. I'd love to see an episode on Dionysus- Something that really made me smile was the "Guys gals and nonbinary pals" bit there at the end c:
I believe Perseus King of Macedon was the son of Philip V not Alexander V. Although there was an Alexander V who was the son of Cassander who died in the 290s bce
The Gorgons seem very similar to the protector beings in Tibetan Buddhism. An example would be Four Armed Black Mahakala or Ekajati. The protectors were originally powerful magicians or nature spirits that were conquered by buddhist yogis and put into the service of protecting the dharma. They have very similar faces and are both monsters to be feared and benevolent beings protecting a home or monastery. To me the Gorgon is one of the more relevant symbols we have today. You can barely go a day without seeing some scowling woman with strange fluorescent hair trying to turn all men into stone with their bulging eyes.
This was very very good! I can't wait till you go down the God/constellation rabbit hole 🐰 lol You'll spend so many hours puzzling it all together, and in the end you'll look at all mythology in a whole new light. Especially since so many myths are incredibly old. Have fun!
I like your podcast :) Things I didn't hear you mention: -Females were forbinned on Medusa's Island as her stare wouldn't turn them to stone. -Medusa was r*ped by Poseidon in the temple of Athen where she had run for help. Since she was pledges to the temple and broke her celibacy vow, Athena turned her ugly as punishment.
There are versions of her story where she is turned into a gorgon by Aphrodite due to her beauty threatening to make her more popular than the goddess. Also, it's spelled forbidden.
The mangled accounts of mythology by late classic authors (Ovid for example, these are Daniel Ogden's sources) are fundamentally misinformed and generally slanderous, fabulous, nonsense. I assert this is a mistake not a service. If you wish to pursue this argument familiarize yourself with Robert Graves (The student of J.E. Harrison, who you claim to cite, I noticed no evidence of understanding her work, for example Ancient Art & Ritual) and his book The Greek Myths where you will find lucid and reasonable explanations of Gorgons, Perseus and other subjects mentioned.
Alexander and Hephestion being gay is a modern bit of nonsense. You find it hard to concieve of platonic male love because it is formed through danger, shared hardships, and adventure. Modern man has none of these things really, we just have unfulfilling surrogate activities. Imagine for a moment that you and your best childhood friend continued to hang out, went to war in the same unit, saw your other friends die, traveled across the world, for a decade, potentially saved each others lives, but at the end emerge on the other side. You'd probably be as close as blood brothers, if not closer. The same applies for Achilles and Patrocles, it's just incredibly lazy modern social messaging. Be better.
Zeus represents the laws of natural order, and this is why all the heroes are children of Zeus. Hera the laws of attraction Athena the laws of logic etc. These Gods are all energies and their influence on our reality. When you understand the myths describe these energies andhowtheinfluenceus you will have a complete ly diffenerebt understanding of Greek myths.
You laugh at Victorians for not seeing gayness in ancients stories but modern historians are no better in the way that they're willing to twist history to add homosexuals to it. Reminds me of people who think Frodo & Sam were gay.
Even among modern criminals in the US Prison system rape or assault of women and children is looked down upon as a more heinous crime than a man killing another man. This is why sexual assault convicts are often separated from "general population" in prisons.
It is by tradition that they must go on tangents for a while before the main event. It's part of the charm, but those looking for quick information really should be looking elsewhere, as it's simply not that sort of channel/podcast.
@@DarkVeghetta lmao I wish that was all it was. This was a joke. If you're going to do a doc on a subject then do it!.....don't waste time. If it was a 3 minutes thing sure ok. But I don't need 15 stories not related to WHAT YOU ADVERTISE... I love history and mythology but this channel don't deliver.
@@popcola1462 I wholeheartedly disagree - I enjoy the preamble and want to hear those '15 stories'; it's relaxing and it's generally tangentially linked to the subject matter. I was rather disappointed the preamble was as short as it was for this episode. Fundamentally, this is a show that caters to people that enjoy stories; the episodes are not designed as academic lectures, even though their basis is in academic literature. I happen to fit their target audience and you do not. That's fine. I do, however, take umbrage at your final assertion. By all means, dislike the show/podcast, but kindly don't besmirch quality content with subjective and seemingly uniformed accusations, presented as fact. I shall not engage further from this point onwards. Good day.
@@DarkVeghetta so you run from a conversation like a female dog(yes I'd rather use the other word to describe you). You want to throw snide comments like I wouldn't catch on. I'm happy you girls circle jrk to each other. I would take this as a channel for people who don't have a general idea of what they are trying to watch. I have things to do in real life. So whan I want to watch something on a subject that's what I want to watch. Not people jumping subject to subject wasting time and energy. You're a clown. You idolize these people for what? Not knowing how to stay on a subject? Boy please get some friends and get out the house.
I literally checked your page an hour before you posted this thinking it has been a while.
I love the empathetic and thoughtfull aproach these folks take
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My newest favorite podcast! Thanks again for the wonderful content!
I enjoy this podcast because it’s not 4 people talking over each other. Good content!
PKA fan?
Oh heck yes! Fantastic channel, I’m excited to dive into this new video - thank you both for your work.
What a timeline.
what a comment
Nice, enjoyed it all from start to finish! Thank you guys, you are amazing
Perseus approached Medousa as she slept and beheaded her with eyes averted to avoid her petrifying visage.
On his journey back to Greece, Perseus came across the Aithiopian (Ethiopian) princess Andromeda chained to a rock as a sacrifice to a sea-monster. He slew the beast and brought her with him back to Greece as his bride.
Upon reaching Seriphos, the hero turned King Polydektes to stone, and then travelled on to his grandfather's kingdom to claim the throne.
The plot armor was better back in the day.
This is so cool. I just got back from Italy last night, and while there I had bought a little statue of Perseus slaying Medusa. Good timing.
Nice! I bet it's gorgeous there right now, too
Yay a new video! Got something for tonight! :D Thanks guys!
If you don't already have this planned I suggest looking at Celtic mythology. I know you've covered Arthur but that's only a small, and somewhat tangential, aspect of it. With the relatively modern revival of alleged ancient Celtic practices and the pan-European influence of Celtic culture it might be a series in its own right but I'm sure you could do it justice.
Look who's back. Back again.
Informative as always.
Thanks for the video, very insightful! If I may offer a suggestion, could you lift the treble setting on the audio as it sounds muffled on a smaller speaker?
It comes out muffled on a bigger sound system as well, the dialogue has too much bass coming out of my subwoofer, and it's hard to listen to at times. So yes, a bit of brighter EQ would make these fine videos even better.
Adjust the EQ on your end.
Bigfoot! I can't wait guys thanks a bunch!
Why was this not in my subscriptions tab!! Thank god the latest video did or I would have missed it
Perseus being conceived by Zeus giving his mom a golden shower and then being rescued from the sea by a guy name dicktease seems like most legit version to me!
Nice work as always, guys.
You can skip the first 15 minutes if you want to get to the story.
Omg. 12 minutes in and it STILL hasn't started.
thanks mate
Damn dude I'm actually up at upload hour. Pretty early here.
awesome episode!
More relaxation time I find these so chill thanks your all your efforts it's much appreciated 😉
A great listen as always!👍
"Where was I then Immortality van came by?" Medusa
Great vid guys!
Thanks
The island you are showing I believe is Zante
Most excellent. After listening to you two mention & discuss all the different stories & their variations I am no longer angry with all the liberties the makers of the 1981 Clash of the Titans took with the Perseus/Medusa story especially since we got such a cute animated mechanical owl out of it 😉
I think if you made videos any other way then how you are doing it wouldn’t be the same so keep making your videos how you do and make amazing content
Guys, sorry if you talked about and I just didn't listen to, but have you seen anything about the horse medusa? I've seen some mentions of her having the body of a horse, what would justify Pegasus being her offspring, but never really invested much time reading about it.
I thought I remembered reading that Medusa having the body of a horse came from some of the older versions of story and over time that was changed for whatever reason. If anyone could confirm that or knows what happened a follow up would be much appreciated.
AWESOME!!!
Hey guys. I love your content. I have been searching for about 6 months for your source on Medusa being found in the Atlas mountains.
Can you help me out with a link or a hint?
On Apple podcast you have to search “mythological podcast” or an episode name for it to appear for me
Random pronunciation note, AE in names and words like heraclidae is normally pronounced as “eye” (although it is ok to pronounce it as EE like in Caesar and I’ve heard many who say it that way) its generally used in Latin spellings of Greek words in place of ai, like in heraklidai
(ΗΡΑΚΛΕΙΔΑΙ) vs the Latin spelling heraclidae
This is the one and only nitpick complaint about this channel/podcast I could really have. At least they know they are mispronouncing things and are pretty up front about it. Good to own it rather than pretend it's not happening lol.
Lol this whole time, I thought he was his grandfather. Also I heard Cadmus was the first hero. Did u guys do a video on him .
"This video is sponsored by skill share. More to come on that shortly." Oh, gee. I can't wait.
Considering there's 3 big budget Hollywood movies about persuis killing Medusa I'd say she's still a loser.
liked, commented, and already subscribed
You should do Jason and the Argonauts
You know, statically speaking, we are all descendants of many generations of non forking family trees
Sasquatch!
Good call. I just said bigfoot and was scrolling through the comments to see if anyone else had yet to wager a guess.
Herodotus does not really say that the Persians were descended from Perseus, nor even that they believed themselves to be descended from Perseus, but merely that they CLAIMED to be descended from Perseus. This is best understood as propaganda and diplomacy and nothing more. For another example, see 1 Maccabees 12:21, in which the Spartans claim to be descended from Abraham. It would be absurd to think the Spartans actually believed that, but it might be a convenient fiction on which to found a temporary alliance.
Great play on words with myth *illogical* 👏
Edit: Sorry, just realised it's a series 🙄
I really hope Linear B gets decoded relatively soon, I would love to know how badly the classical Hellens butchered thier own past.
Also I'll a little miffed if you don't mention the attempts to syncretize Perseus with Mithras/Mitras (technically most of that was done in Bactria, so the more Urdu variation would be more accurate, than the former Latin.)
Linear B is decoded, it's Linear A that hasn't been deciphered yet. There are no literary works written in Linear B, but there are hundreds of tablets on which the Mycenaeans inscribed writings to in order to keep records. Those give some information about the names of their Gods and the hierarchy of the Mycenean world. All of this written in Proto-Greek.
Sweet! o7
Not gonna lie, I am never going to be able to hear "then he became King of Argos" and not think of the retailer.
Do one about Griffin
Does golden shower not carry the same meaning in the UK?
the story of meduseus
he was so nasty looking; that he turned himself into a statue by accident
the hint ... Like I know the answer but it could also apply to at least 2/3 other American cryptids
Can anybody help me?
Which city/town is being shown at 1.03.48 ?
Absolutely LOVED the episode- I really enjoy learning about how these types of things evolve and change as time goes on. I'd love to see an episode on Dionysus-
Something that really made me smile was the "Guys gals and nonbinary pals" bit there at the end c:
I believe Perseus King of Macedon was the son of Philip V not Alexander V. Although there was an Alexander V who was the son of Cassander who died in the 290s bce
Lmao "according to the beauty standards of the greeks"
Ngl, as blasphemous as it may sound I do like the condensed version of this story shown in Clash of the Titans. The og good version that is.
At the mountains Of Kong 2?+
Well done. While trying to track your big guy down, have a look at the coyote myths.
its werid that pegasus is Medusa's kid
I have 5 wounds, am from the house of David, am enlightened, have been stigmatad, and Rose on Easter day.. io nome Dylan. Mazda.
The Gorgons seem very similar to the protector beings in Tibetan Buddhism. An example would be Four Armed Black Mahakala or Ekajati. The protectors were originally powerful magicians or nature spirits that were conquered by buddhist yogis and put into the service of protecting the dharma. They have very similar faces and are both monsters to be feared and benevolent beings protecting a home or monastery. To me the Gorgon is one of the more relevant symbols we have today. You can barely go a day without seeing some scowling woman with strange fluorescent hair trying to turn all men into stone with their bulging eyes.
Very weird how this comment went from informative straight to weirdly misogynistic.
1:00:46
This was very very good! I can't wait till you go down the God/constellation rabbit hole 🐰 lol
You'll spend so many hours puzzling it all together, and in the end you'll look at all mythology in a whole new light. Especially since so many myths are incredibly old.
Have fun!
Prostagma?
Bolume
Do one on mermaids please!
I like your podcast :)
Things I didn't hear you mention:
-Females were forbinned on Medusa's Island as her stare wouldn't turn them to stone.
-Medusa was r*ped by Poseidon in the temple of Athen where she had run for help. Since she was pledges to the temple and broke her celibacy vow, Athena turned her ugly as punishment.
There are versions of her story where she is turned into a gorgon by Aphrodite due to her beauty threatening to make her more popular than the goddess.
Also, it's spelled forbidden.
The mangled accounts of mythology by late classic authors (Ovid for example, these are Daniel Ogden's sources) are fundamentally misinformed and generally slanderous, fabulous, nonsense. I assert this is a mistake not a service. If you wish to pursue this argument familiarize yourself with Robert Graves (The student of J.E. Harrison, who you claim to cite, I noticed no evidence of understanding her work, for example Ancient Art & Ritual) and his book The Greek Myths where you will find lucid and reasonable explanations of Gorgons, Perseus and other subjects mentioned.
Alexander and Hephestion being gay is a modern bit of nonsense. You find it hard to concieve of platonic male love because it is formed through danger, shared hardships, and adventure. Modern man has none of these things really, we just have unfulfilling surrogate activities. Imagine for a moment that you and your best childhood friend continued to hang out, went to war in the same unit, saw your other friends die, traveled across the world, for a decade, potentially saved each others lives, but at the end emerge on the other side. You'd probably be as close as blood brothers, if not closer. The same applies for Achilles and Patrocles, it's just incredibly lazy modern social messaging. Be better.
💝🏠💝
Zeus represents the laws of natural order, and this is why all the heroes are children of Zeus. Hera the laws of attraction Athena the laws of logic etc. These Gods are all energies and their influence on our reality. When you understand the myths describe these energies andhowtheinfluenceus you will have a complete ly diffenerebt understanding of Greek myths.
You laugh at Victorians for not seeing gayness in ancients stories but modern historians are no better in the way that they're willing to twist history to add homosexuals to it.
Reminds me of people who think Frodo & Sam were gay.
@Nicholas Time ok commie
I wonder if Heracles super strength was just inbred tard strength lol
It's funny how he can kill dozens of men then you say "here's where it gets dark; he forced himself on a woman" lol
Even among modern criminals in the US Prison system rape or assault of women and children is looked down upon as a more heinous crime than a man killing another man. This is why sexual assault convicts are often separated from "general population" in prisons.
12 minutes before you get to the actual subject.......
14 minutes and not there I'm gone
It is by tradition that they must go on tangents for a while before the main event.
It's part of the charm, but those looking for quick information really should be looking elsewhere, as it's simply not that sort of channel/podcast.
@@DarkVeghetta lmao I wish that was all it was. This was a joke. If you're going to do a doc on a subject then do it!.....don't waste time. If it was a 3 minutes thing sure ok. But I don't need 15 stories not related to WHAT YOU ADVERTISE... I love history and mythology but this channel don't deliver.
@@popcola1462 I wholeheartedly disagree - I enjoy the preamble and want to hear those '15 stories'; it's relaxing and it's generally tangentially linked to the subject matter. I was rather disappointed the preamble was as short as it was for this episode.
Fundamentally, this is a show that caters to people that enjoy stories; the episodes are not designed as academic lectures, even though their basis is in academic literature. I happen to fit their target audience and you do not. That's fine.
I do, however, take umbrage at your final assertion. By all means, dislike the show/podcast, but kindly don't besmirch quality content with subjective and seemingly uniformed accusations, presented as fact.
I shall not engage further from this point onwards. Good day.
@@DarkVeghetta so you run from a conversation like a female dog(yes I'd rather use the other word to describe you). You want to throw snide comments like I wouldn't catch on. I'm happy you girls circle jrk to each other. I would take this as a channel for people who don't have a general idea of what they are trying to watch. I have things to do in real life. So whan I want to watch something on a subject that's what I want to watch. Not people jumping subject to subject wasting time and energy. You're a clown. You idolize these people for what? Not knowing how to stay on a subject? Boy please get some friends and get out the house.
I put this on to relax. Not hear 7 minutes of advertising. Bye.