What Defined Roman Identity Within Ancient Rome's Society? | Rome: Empire Without Limit | Timeline
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- In the third episode Mary takes an in-depth look at the question of identity and citizenship within the Roman Empire. What did it mean to be, or to become, Roman, and how did the very different parts of the empire react to Roman rule?
In the beautifully preserved cities of Algeria, incomers and locals mixed to create flourishing communities with a distinct 'more Roman than Rome' frontier identity. Mary follows the trail of one such African Roman from his native land all the way to Britain, where he served as governor - proof that for all the brutality of conquest, there were opportunities too. Here in Britain another picture emerges, of resistance, hybrid culture and incipient British identity. In York and Newcastle, Mary finds the remains of Romans, but not as we might imagine them - a rich African lady, officers from central Europe and a camp follower from Syria.
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Mary is an amazing researcher, professor, and historian She is greatly recognized in GB and has been given Dame status by the Queen (for her studies in classical civilizations) 🌟Love her expertise and research on Roman history And appreciate her for it 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
What a shame she started this with a a down right lie....the skeleton found in York was NEVER identified as mixed ancestory....lieing to fit a political narrative is not history...its just lying
She's greatly recognized all over the world, as well as Great Britain.
So......they just ignore the bullshlt then......I see how this works@@phillgreenland2390
I am so glad she has been recognized by the late Queen Elizabeth II. Mary Beard is a treasure. I love her all the way from Phoenix, Arizona - USA!
Another know nothing Yank@@andyroo9381
I’ve said it more than once, I’ll say it again. And I’ll keep saying it. Mary Beard is bloody fantastic! I really am enjoying this documentary series. I know it’s previously been on BBC iPlayer, but I never got around to watching it. Appreciate these videos, keep ‘em coming. Thank you!
She is absolutely singular. I find her documentaries very powerful but they manage to be light and entertaining. I am always left thinking about her shows for days/weeks- and yet I feel that younger kids and my elderly parents will also enjoy the program. Wonderful.
@@speedtrls Yes! That’s it exactly. You’ve hit the nail on the head with your comment. They are indeed powerful, light, and entertaining. I also agree that they would (and am sure that they do) appeal to a variety of people. I wish more things like this were made. Instead of the dross that mainstream uk channels provide these days. I love history, art, music and literature. Clever, engaging, interesting, entertaining, and fun television shouldn’t be a rarity.
@@AledPritchard Yes, I love a documentary on just about anything and there is a formula- Mary Beard tackles the subject with a bit of dissonance, you really don't know where she is taking you and sometimes she produces some really powerful artefacts- she avoids the usual busts/armless greek copies where possible. Feel like I have been in a seminar with her by the end.
Really excellent Mary! This is certainly one of your best presentations on many levels; visually, intellectually, and the story line itself!!! The ending in Aphrodisias with the subjected Britannia lying under Emperor Claudius was brilliant. As you said, the finding of the temple was perhaps the most important archaeological find of the last hundred years. Thank you from Canada!!!
God I love her! Mary Beard and the Egyptologist Joann Fletcher are the BC history goddesses! They make it so exciting the way they talk about history and explain it to you. I also love the way they both focus on the day to day lives of normal citizens.
Mary brings history to life. I always watch her documentaries. I learned something new all the time.
Thank you, Mary! You’re amazing!
I just love Mary. So knowledgeable
Another excellent presentation by a superb educator.
You make everything so interesting. You bring ancient history to life.
What an entertaining and informative video.
People in Britain and anywhere in Europe where these ruins of ancient civilization are lucky in a way that you can see, touch and experience these bits of history. Like you’re connecting with the old times. The oldest place I have visited here in my country just goes far back to 17th century. I was already in awe. How much more if I get to see these sights going back to 2000 yrs ago? I would be overwhelmed. I’ll make it my mission to visit them in this lifetime.
Solid presentation 👌 as always, Dr. Mary I believe Anyhow Mary beard i appreciate you.
It was an informative and thrilled watching historical coverage video about cultural and educational effectiveness of the Roman empire authoritative on Spain 🇪🇸, North Africa, and Britain sovereigns. Besides Roman empire cultures layer on glorious of Greek cultures in the Asia minor. What was notables.. Roman citizenship was donated to Africans, North Africans, Spanish, and Britain's . if they served as soldiers and administrators within Romans' authoritative systems .. thank you (history Hit )networking page and ( time line) channel for sharing .
Mary is a fantastic story teller. I have no interest in history, yet I love watching her videos!
She is amazing when it comes to Rome!!
I agree. I could watch her stories all day long.
You will have to keep watching them over and over. Those who have no interest in history are destined to repeat it.
This comment would be her fav out of the lot - I’ve no doubt. 💜
amazing work, camera host etc this was A+ top tier
She is the Professor we all wish we had
A moment in time, saved forever 🌞
I always assumed they were Romaized Britons, not Romans, just as under the British empire there were Anglocised Indians. Makes me wonder just how much Roman culture penetrated the ordinary people as there do seem quite a lot of native Britons at the time of the Anglo-Saxon migrations.
Brilliant
Would like to see her investigate the origins of the Romans, ancient Greeks, ancient Egyptians and the Persians.
They all look so similar!
Does anyone know if there are any descent documentaries/books on why Roman infrastructures, such as towns/buildings, baths, sewers, underfloor heating, and so on were not continued to be used, or continued to be expanded on once the Empire collapsed. Or did they? Why did those on the British Isles, for example, go back to living in worst conditions rather than adopting and continuing on what the Romans had already built? Why were the great philosophers, and political thinkers, their libraries and so forth not adopted and normalised?
Great question! I hope to find/learn about that!
I’m so dumb I only just realized that the same Mary Beard who wrote SPQR - one of the most insightful and provocative histories of Rome I have ever read - is also the same Mary Beard who narrates one of my favorite series on TH-cam.
Not dumb!! Just unaware, my friend!! As I'm unaware as to what the initials stand for!😊
Could you enlighten me!???
I've just recently discovered Dr. Mary and I'm in love with her storytelling and knowledge!
Have a great one!💙🧡💙
(SPQR)
Very good
I'd love to visit "Timgad"-seems absolutely amazing. I can imagine how the full buildings must have looked, to know it was built so long ago, incredible!!
Rural Algeria is beautiful b.t.w., wouldn't have pictured it to look like this.
love it
I am telling ya! If I had this lady as my teacher, I would have had strait A’s. She is just a remarkable teacher that just commands my attention….
You spoil us, Mary, you do!
The Romans were really forward thinking 😮
Without the Romans we’d all be still living in caves and grass huts with holes cut out in the ground as bed, no modern conveniences like TV, Radio, Internet and cars etc we enjoy today.
Danke!
Timgad might have been for retired soldiers but when soldiers aren't fighting they take up other jobs and interests. It would make sense that working class artisans could exist in these sort of retirement towns
There were experienced resourceful people who build villages, towns, and cities. All the same things that Rome proper had. Their descendants have the same but they still herd goats on bareback and grow grain. Why?
i admire her hugely and am very excited about seeing her in edinburgh soon. the only issue i have is when she touches artefacts eg at bath etc. she obviously has been given permission but without highlighting that. it sends the wrong message to ordinary visitors
So good to see diversity and inclusion nowadays being mixed into historic interpretation. We of the left will rewrite it all in time.
Funny how the idea of a "White" Roman Empire is the product of 19th century historiography. Because God forbid some Africans living north of the Mediterranean Sea and the Channel...
It's extremelly well documented that the Romans integrated other cultures and ethinic groups into Roman society. It's how they were able to maintain such a vast empire for so long. You really think an empire that stretched from Scotland, across to France, Germany and Italy, to Spain, across North Africa, Egypt, the Middle East, Turkey and the Balkans wouldn't be racially and culturally diverse?
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"Africa" as a geographic entity is a modern concept. Prior to Islam, the Mediterranean shore - North South East West - was a geographic entity. The next entity below that was the Sahara, and below that the Unknown.
When I was in middle school, I ended up living in England for what we Americans call the 6th grade. That’s when I first heard about Hadrian’s wall that had supposedly built by the Romans. At first I thought the teacher was BS-ing us about the Romans having been in England centuries ago. Eventually, I caved in and took it seriously. 😅
42:10 That's The Green Man! A pre roman Deity
We are berbers 🇩🇿 (amazigh)
I'm algerian berber , i speak tamazight berber language , I'm not sub saharan african , I'm north african (ifriqiya🇩🇿🇹🇳🇲🇦)
Italians created London, 1066 the French created England it is a Beautiful history
Who created the Italians of today, seems to be Celtic-Roman mix, same with todays French ?
Roman citizenship was not handed out randomly to anyone who simply wanted it. It was highly valued and you did have to earn it with your deeds. The man that started handing it to everyone had devalued it completely and made it meaningless. This is well known and has been proven over and over. It also wasn't handed out to polygamist's extra family members because it was dishonorable and would have devalued the entire thing. They were extremely rules and family based. It had nothing to do with immigration.
Sorry, but what she see's as such a nice thing was a man degrading the value of his culture. Removing all aspirational value of it. Why aspire to earn a privilege if it's handed out to everyone regardless of their deeds? It becomes meaningless and empty. It isn't nice, it's destructive.
So much of this documentary is interesting and well done, but her inserting her personal politics and projecting it onto the Romans, is striking at times and doesn't fit. And Boudicca fighting against those trying to conquer her people, did NOT make her a terrorist. She had principles and stood by them no matter the cost. You winging because she was violent, is very out of touch with the reality at the time.
As St Paul said, Civis Romanus Sum.
Also paraphrased by POTUS Kennedy.
In the west didn't it become rather common after the 3rd century crisis? Everyone got the same name and all.
Yes! Summarized perfectly! Mary projected her own biases several times. It's evident there's an agenda here and I don't appreciate the anti American propaganda. What a shame, in the past I've typically enjoyed her documentaries. Judging by the other comments, most watched this w out a discerning ear, unfortunately.
@@m.willow11Bohooo!
Boudicca was a member of the upper class, only fighting for her own land and riches.
If Mary beard is on i tune in👍😊
Mary Beard has GOAT status. I said what I said. Fight me.
40:22 😩
It is fascinating to me that there are 4.9 million views, and only 1300 likes. WTF?
I think there are a lot of history, buffs that are not TH-cam savvy and don't realize how important it is to react and subscribe
What is everything with Roman in the words besides Roman Empire? Please help me...
Sorry, what?
@@rustomkanishka like Roman Catholic, Holy Roman Empire, names after Roman Empire splits into East and West...
Any more?
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Boudicca was a magnificent Celtic woman, the likes of whom the Roman Empire never spawned! Romans were invaders and thus the real terrorists, as with all empires!
Yes, I was surprised she called a native woman who was fighting to defend her country against invaders a terrorist.
What you know about Boudicca come from Roman sources because Britons didn't have a written culture (no comment) , and anyway the informations are really few. Romans treated her awfully, but what she did after was worst. Maybe not a terrorist, but surely not a hero
Субтитри на български език, моля!
Balls of lead. Because of the water.
So much advertising in this video!
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If she came from North Africa she can only be Roman if her parents were Roman . She may have been a citizen of Rome ?
Its a a down right lie....the skeleton found in York was NEVER identified as mixed ancestory....lying to fit a political narrative is not history...its just lying
If anyone's interested in the ACTUAL traditional Roman value system I hotly recommend Schwerpunkt's videos on Roman religion and politics/warfare. Once you get it you can't unthink it and it's simply mind blowing
There are historians that have written books with meticulous detail of roman history
No one is interested. Stop spamming.
Thanks for the recommendation! I might check it out. I care little for the retelling of history when it has hidden agendas and anti American undertones.
Why do you see so many statues with their nose or face smashed off?
How in the heck did anyone in the Roman Empire talk to each other? In such a massively diverse cosmopolitan set of societies there had to be what, hundreds of languages, and dialects thereof. Was the only real common denominator conversational Latin? What this makes me wonder, notably in the Roman army, did those of similar language tend to coagulate in groups? How about racism and xenophobia across those groups? Did it exist? What was it like?
And how could the average Roman officer issue orders? Someone in that group had to be able to speak to both the common soldiers around them and to those superiors over them. I’m in technology, have been for a couple decades, and one of my strengths is that I can speak up & down the org, in a language each group understands, as well as across the org to those in other areas. Every part of tech has its own language, usually in acronyms and patterns, and being able to speak using their native tongue is crucial.
It had to be absolutely fascinating to be around that society. It makes you wish time travel was in fact possible, but shows like this are as close as we can come.
55:30 Brexit Britain 😂
Waaay to many ad breaks! Unwatchable 👎
😂 THREE IS ONLY ONE RACE 😂 YOU REPEATERS😂 SALUDOS❤
What Defined Babylonian Identity Within Ancient Babylon Society too? Was it how deep their cranium was to wear braids to be dressed with a lot of decorations on their hats to wear in public places? Or was it their footwear being worn when visiting others who had come up with inventions on how to stay safe while at war? While moms everywhere more often were being questioned on their past love life back then too while being young and single or when being forced migrants back then too. Like when not having much privacy as a human being while on the move when birthing a baby and at the same time having to in a hurry walk down a flight of stairs on the outside of a hospital building after maybe becoming a widow. Same as today. Everyone both back then and today too thinking to themselves only - This is as good as it gets.
RrrrRrrrHhhhhoooouuumeee
" fes up, Mary ! You had to use that bog, didn't ya ? For, shall we say, posterity?
My impression from this video: the Roman Empire appears to be the first multiracial community in history.
That's literally what empires are. Different kingdoms bowing to the same authority.
I'd argue the Babylonians or the Persians would be the first.
You got the wrong impression then
@@rustomkanishka When I said "the Roman Empire appears to be the first multiracial community in history", I meant more than just the literal "different kingdoms bowing to the same authority".
I meant during the Roman Empire, natives from the conquered lands - and not just natives of Rome - had the opportunity to rise up to high offices - as generals, governors, and even emperors.
A few examples :
Lusius Quietus, Roman general and governor of Judaea in 117 AD was a Berber.
Septimus Severus, Roman Emperor 193 - 211 AD, was born in Leptis Magna (roughly present day Libya).
Marcus Julius Philippus nicknamed Philippus Arabus (Philip the Arab), Roman Emperor 244 - 249 AD, was born in Arabia Patrea (roughly present day Jordan).
Sure there had been empires before Roman Empire : Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek, Alexander's, Maurya, etc but no evidence of multiculturalism in the sense I meant above.
Correct impression. It would be impossible not to be.
If a Roman citizen couldn't be crucified... How do you explain the Christian Saint Paul of Tarsus...?!
I think you must be thinking of Saint Peter, who was not a Roman citizen and is said to have been crucified upside down. Saint Paul's specific cause of death is unknown.
To pronounce the word "Roman" like a British person, you must ALMOST pronounce it "Woeman" (Not woman but woeman.) It has a hint ov "V" in the "W" as well. The "wvoemans". Maybe even an RV sound "Rvoman". Try it. You'll sound like the narrator in no time.
Mary missed the mark saying for most people the American dream doesnt work.
I myself, from a family of immigrants.
Have a father who is self employed and sent my siblings and I to the best private schools available here.
My children work at a Greek restaurant where the owners are 1st generation here from Greece. My oldest child is studying to be an electrician w the goal of being self employed.
Bad form, Mary.
Anecdote is not data. You seem to be oblivious to the single most devastating development in modern America society.
@@shakiMiki oh? If Im mistaken, please enlighten me.
@@shakiMiki Do you even know what it is? Enlighten us. I don't believe you can
@@troyhaileyThe land was stolen from the original people. You should be ashamed!
@@futuristica1710and the original people stole it from those before them and so on and so forth and it’s all over the world. Land is often the sole reason for wars and bloodshed. The only people who should feel shame are those who personally stole it but they’re busy being dead.
soon as i sees de wobbly wheels trollys i thoughts to my selfs..hmm.dis gona be de rollers coster of a movie init! but to long! had 2 break for teas and a cake! peters sakes wha goin on heres! eh! was ok but whats was its actuly abouts? just realised dat init!!..hahahahahaha..🤡
I love the Polish reference but two millennia ago Poland was not a place a Poles did not exist, so the joke about Polish migration made me roll my eyes a bit. XD
I like this lady’s voice except when she says the word ‘RRrrhhhhhhhouuuuuooome’ - just say ‘Rome’ and get it out of your throat!
I like and respect Mary Beard a great deal, but I do wish she would stop referring to anachronistic concepts like ‘Poland’, ‘Germany’, ‘France’ and ‘Brits’. These geographical terms had no meaning at the time of the Roman Empire. It creates a highly misleading sense of continuity with the present. These people were very similar to us in many ways, but they had no sense of the modern nation-state.
Well yes, with the exceptions in Roman times there was Brittania, and Germania in that sense.. The people of Gauls in modern day France were called Franci/Francus by them as well. But yes, nothing of the modern nations of today
We wuz romans n sheeit
North Africans are usually not black.
The Etruscan society.
First
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a wonderful multi-cultural, marxist presentation. yes, utopia is literally on the doorstep.
Funny how the idea of a "White" Roman Empire is the product of 19th century historiography. Because God forbid some Africans living north of the Mediterranean Sea and the Channel...
I don’t believe it. You cannot tell where someone is from based on their skull size.
Skull shapes and sizes of the Africans are different.
@@timsmith2279 North africans are berbers and they are caucasians.
The American Dream works for most reasonable people. Sorry, Mary. I know it sounds catchy for you to say such a thing but it's nonsense. What dream do the people in the UK have? Slim chance Mary.
I realize she won't read this lol But it's true
So glad a couple of us on here called out her slanted and untrue anti American propaganda!
@@m.willow11Bohoooo!
sadly not for the original people you enslaved or killed or put into reservations …
@@futuristica1710 Whether they choose to take advantage of it or not their descendents have equal opportunity along with everyone else. Much like the Romans granted with full citizenship. When you say "you" I take it you are not an American so "your" willful ignorance could be forgiven
@@futuristica1710 are u as accusatory towards S. Africans currently chanting " kill the Boer" and the Chinese currently committing genocide against the Uyghers? Or do you reserve your hatred only for Americans?
I had to stop the video- it is painful how this woman plasters her Boomer intellectual failings onto the past. Can we find someone who wants to understand and present history, rather than someone who doesn’t understand history but wants it to be twisted to represent her emotional damage? I’m going back to Told in Stone.
Even the first part is a down right lie....the skeleton found in York was NEVER identified as mixed ancestory....lying to fit a political narrative is not history...its just lying
Ok, bye-bye!
There goes the future curator of the British Museum 😂😂🤣🤣😂😂@@futuristica1710
WTH does she mean the American dream doesn’t work for “most people” bet she wouldn’t get that answer if she asked the migrants to America! How dare she
Totally agree. It certainly worked for my family and many others I personally know! Sadly, its just more American hating propaganda.
@@m.willow11 I know right! It’s sprinkled all throughout the episode not exactly all anti American but just woke and goofy, like saying that the library sounded like a very “bloky” place. Maybe maybe not but why make the judgement and then judge another cultures male vs female spaces. It’s just so over the top when talking history.
Nice a avitar pic btw you’re pretty.
@@ryanjones3043 agreed-- the undertones are woke and ignorant for sure-- and thanks so much for your kind compliment.
@@m.willow11America is a failed state.
@@ryanjones3043You poor thing 😂
There are so many comparisons to be made with todays societies. Xenophobia, racism, class privilege.
Don't get me started. I have to argue these points on an almost weekly basis with people who are immigrants or progeny of immagrants themselves! First thing that they're taught when they reach our shores is : you will experience hostile racism. Good news is you can always look down on an injun.
I’m immediately out. 3 minutes in and we’re pumping the inter-racial narrative. Yahoo! 😂 And by the way, 2,000 years ago, just exactly what does our esteemed narrator think a North African race was?
People like you who refuse to see reality are sooo strange. I pity you. The world must be so dull when everything is seen through such a narrow mind!
@@Ohana9999 it's a down right lie...it was never identified as mixed race
You don’t think an empire that spanned thousands of kilometers and cultures would have many many Roman’s of mixed background aside from ethnically Italian from the peninsula?
Why?
You are missing the point....Beard states that the skeleton was of mixed race....IT WAS NOT.....something which she lies about to fit her political narrative....and that is NOT history. Its not the first time she`s done it AND it won`t be the last I`m sure but sadly its becoming and all too common trait creeping in to academia.
History should be based on facts.......NOT POLITICAL OPINIONS.
Having said that a lot of what she does is very good.........when she`s not spouting biased political BS and presentism that is@@wally9935
Her liberal agenda is certainly showing..especially when she spun the American dream as an unobtainable lie.
😂 they look Roman because they are Roman😂
She was a woman!!! 😂😂😂what is a woman!?
Great documentary but good Godddd I hate it when they don't wear gloves when touching historical artifacts..
I hate it when they have children's anime avatars. Total weirdos.
Gloves aren't standard practice anymore depending upon the artifact, because they have better control with clean bare hands than with gloves to not damage artifact.
And the part about Boudicca being a terrorist?? For shame! I cant believe this woman ..
I'm sure the Romans would have seen her as one
When did she say that?
She may have been using the other meaning of the word ie someone who frightens or terrorises others.
Freedom fighters not terrorists Ms Beard.
@@mikecolquhoun1674Boudicca was strapped up as a myth.