A Study of "So Bad It's Good" Movies
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- Why do we love movies that are so bad, they're good? Let's explore what these movies have in common and see that many critically acclaimed movies actually contain the phenomenon that makes "So Bad, It's Good" movies so appealing.
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I honestly can't stand movies like Sharknado that are intentionally bad. "So bad it's good" only really works for me when it feels like filmmakers are genuinely thinking they're making a movie and miss the mark in every way, like "The Room" or Ed Wood's filmography.
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almost every great director has used camp elements at one point or another. You'll be surprised how truly campy and purposely mucked up some of the most critically acclaimed movies in history are. Citizen Kane comes to mind- if I dare to be so tardy...
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Thank god I'm not alone in this. I remember being part of a bad movie club that watched this and movies like it, and it pissed me off because half the fun of movies like The Room and Troll 2 are that they were trying to be GOOD. If the filmmakers are in on the joke what's the fucking point?
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Well my problem with Sharknado and movies like Fast and Furious is that they are too self aware that they are in a way parodying themselves. They think that they can get away with everything just because they are winking to the camera and therefore comes off insincere.
Yeah, "Sharknado" is bad on purpose. The "Fast and Furious" series is over-the-top yet consciously *not* sincere. They're different than So Bad, It's Good movies that are made *sincerely and earnestly* yet turn out genuinely turn out bad, like "The Room" or anything done by Steven Seagal in the last 15+ years.
I enjoyed Sharknado, not Fast and Furious. Sharknado is so absurdly "bad" that to an extent I feel even the winking at the camera is part of it. That they're self aware is also a joke. Syfy, which made Sharknado I think, has been making these B-Movies for a long time. There's many, every year. I remember watching Lake Placid, which is about a giant crocodile invading Maine. Most of these I remember weren't self aware, and the camp comes off as cringe. Its just not enjoyable. Maybe the later Sharknados have over done being self aware, but at least the first few I thought were really good. The insincerity of breaking the 4th wall is highlighted by the jarring switch to the serious tone every few seconds.
The main problem with F&F movies is that they look like vomit. I can barely watch this shit, the montage and camerawork is so terrible I can't look at it for more than a couple of minutes. Especially the action scenes, oh god those are pure nightmare, 60% of the time I have no idea what is going on and they just keep throwing random shit at the screen expecting you to comprehend it in 3 seconds.
I think some dialoge of Sorkin, Tarantino,The Princess Bride or Wes Anderson are campy, self aware movies or have parodic (parodistic) elements. This can have very various purposes in any kind of storytelling and has nothing to do with bad movies.
The other two kinds are:
1. Films that can, but don't want - "Sharknado" (Trash with intention)
2. Films that can't, but want - "The Room" (Trash without intention)
1. I don't like. 2. I like mostly.
Because as soon as I see the intention, as soon as I feel passion for the medium, it's real movie-making and I'm interested.
Roland Deschain Well said. I think in the cases of Tarantino, Sorkin or Wes Anderson its like they are aware that they are writing a FILM but the characters are unaware, if that makes any sense...
I think Princess Bride is so good despite how corny some of it is because from the opening scene we know its a fairytail story. All the flair and the jokes and rhyming(anybody want a peanut?) Works because it fits the style we expect, making it epic instead of laughable. One of the best movies ever.
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Any of the Monty Python films are a great example of camp being used very well, especially the Holy Grail
nah...that is called humor.
You see, any of the reminiscences you might discover in the Monty series is used for a purpose..the humor purpose.
The campy reminiscences in a camp movie, are just that..a reminder, a link, an attachment, a "hey..I remember this from somewhere", and it MIGHT give you a smile if you do trace the link...but that s all..no humor per se..no further CREATION of a joke.
ODDBALL SOK However, there are funny scenes in the movie that the characters take seriously, such as when Camelot kills all the soldiers in the castle to save the ‘damsel’ in distress. That is the essence of campy humour, is it not?
ODDBALL SOK I mean basically ANY female character in Monty Python is super campy.
Monty Python is straight british comedy, I don't think it can be considered camp. Doesn't keep it from being belly-ache hilarious though!
No it's called GENIUS COMEDY, Monty Python is top notch and perfectly timed, and i don't see how Monty Python would be considered campy?
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I think in some cases you're blurring camp and... absurd?
The problem I have is that while the characters in these camp/bad movies take their situation totally seriously it's always painfully obvious that the film makers don't, which destroys everything for me. "Garth Marenghi's Darkplace", and I guess Wes Anderson's stuff seems to be different, because they embrace camp while still being very thoughtfully crafted.
I'm not sure if there's such a close connection between camp and bad either. No one has every said "you have to see this Wes Anderson film, it's so bad it's good". Especially in Princess Bride the camp is part of it, down to the core, right? I haven't seen it since I was a kid but I distinctly remember it as a comedy that didn't take itself too seriously but was still well made. These things are fun, but they're not lazy, or cheap or lacking in talent like Sharknado is. There's a difference between embracing a cliche/trope and taking a shit on one.
Agree with this comment 100%
If you want a more in depth video essay on Camp and So Bad it's good movies, you might wanna check out-
th-cam.com/video/ihFuGclxcFQ/w-d-xo.html
Absolutely. He doesn't have a clear idea what camp is, so he's applying it to things which are definitely not camp.
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with sharknado. A so bad it's good movie is, by definition, not self conscious. Sharknado is just bad on purpose. And that has absolutely no charm.
yes, it's comedy
Well Sharknado is farce, which some people prefer to sincere efforts that lack self awareness. It's similar to the difference between reality cringe and manufactured cringe; the difference between laughing at and laughing with.
THANK you. I always hated that movie. It wasn't funny, it was just annoying and bad.
Yeah I don't really have much respect for Sharknado either. It's like the difference between someone accidentally slipping on some ice and someone saying "I'm going to go and slip on that ice". A failure isn't really very entertaining when it set out to fail from the start.
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In France, we actually have a term for this kind of movie : "nanar". The "Fossoyeur de films" made a video about it, and we have a whole site dedicated to it, Nanarland
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Jules Alphonso lol really? Does france have a horror comedy movie genre as well? Those tend to be pretty bad so bad they are good well lol
You seem to misunderstand. So bad it’s good films are not usually considered guilty pleasures. Real guilty pleasures are hands down bad films which you still enjoy for some reason.
Examples?
transformers, for me
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I looked like a dick when I tried explaining so bad that it's good to a friend of mine
Blayden Bot Yeah so many people just don't get it or think you are pretentious for liking so bad it's good movies
Mobutu Obama What I mean is that most people dismiss these bad movies as just shit but when you explain to them how great they are they just think you are pretentious
Well in my honest opinion. If movies are overacted and maybe have a comical badness about them they are still bad.
"So bad that its good" usually just means to me "so bad that its somewhat funny... kinda... but not really".
But if im missing something please feel free to enlighten me.I
Aslong as your not pretentious about it. ;p
Mobutu Obama What I mean is when i talk to other people about The Room they don't find it funny and just think it's shit but there is definitely something special about The Room other than just that its funny. It's the film's pure sincerity and intent on being great that is so funny and the film has genuine heart beyond its awfulness. However many of these type of films are just quite funny and that's it but the Room is special
Jake MacDonagh i shall watch it after work tomorrow and see for myself because it can be hard to describe the essence which makes a movie great. "something special" is kinda vague imo.
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If you want a more in depth video essay on Camp and So Bad it's good movies, you might wanna check out-
th-cam.com/video/ihFuGclxcFQ/w-d-xo.html
The Lego batman movie was a pretty good balance of sincerity and camp, I think
You have made me realize the vast majority of my favorite movies are full of camp. I already knew that was the case with videogames like Tropico or Fallout, but I had never noticed how prevalent it was in my favorite movies.
I almost cried laughing while watching that Django Unchained scene. The panicked yelling was weirdly funny to me
I guess it's why I love classic doctor who so much, particularly the second to fourth doctors. The camp balance was perfect. The good episodes are entertaining and so are the bad episodes
Jared and Jerusha Hess are definitely geniuses in the way they use the “so bad its good” in smart, comedic ways.
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This video covers the aspect of taking something seriously but then so much so that your transmission from serious to unserious moments (whether in your life, or translated somehow on screen) remains serious, so that unseriousness is taken seriously, and vise versa. Nicely done.
Man, absolutely loved this, never would've thought of camp as a defining quality of SBIG movies, or the aspects of camp in other movies making them better.
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One of my favorite movies, Dr Strangelove, is a comedy, and although the jokes are pretty funny, the funniest part of it all is how seriously everything is treated
My favourite campy movie is Mortal Kombat. Good Lord I howled through it. It's a masterpiece of "so bad it's brilliant". I can't believe it wasn't intentional.
But wouldnt that make it not campy? maybe more like a guilty pleasure movie?
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Maybe I'm misssing something here but I dont agree with you at all. I wouldn't consider anything from Wes Anerson as so bad its good, and sharknado is too self aware to be one either, its simply pure trash. I think the connection you made between camp movies and so bad its good movies is a bit loose.
The video is about camp more so than so bad it's good. It's what makes those movies good but is also used by plenty of just good movies. So bad it's good
Definitely hat i've been thinking
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My new favourite in the 'so bad it's good' category is: *"SUBURBAN SASQUATCH"* , saw it from Redlettermedia 😂
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The anime and manga series 'Jojo's Bizarre Adventures' is also a great example of camp used really well. The characters take everything seriously but there are always crazy and bizarre things happening to them, making for some really hilarious and fun moments, which can also be really dramatic and tense at the same time.
80 to 90 percent of anime series are camp.
Where's the 3:44 clip from? It's beautiful.
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Could you also explore filmmaking techniques and what dignifies when an unconventional shot is genius, and when it's bad?
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Most bad movies: Boring, but competent
So Bad, they're Good: Neither
Thanks that you made the background music a bit quieter (or using a different track?) :) great clip again, didn't know so many of my favourites are camp
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Shouldn't it be the other way around?
I mean, that's a thing too. There are good movies out there which take far too much pride in how clever they are to the point where it's actually irritating. That's what we call "pretentious". And then you have everything Mel Gibson has ever made which is trying to be pretentious, but usually ends up being camp instead. Basically, it's obvious that Gibson thinks his movies are the best thing since sliced bread, but they're objectively terrible (not to mention cringey).
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what a great video, not many would dig so deep in so bad it's good movies!
There is a french word to describe a piece of art so bad that becomes good: "Nanar". That video talks more about it and can be complemented with yours:
th-cam.com/video/pFlW49Fv9eY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Quetzal
*note: is in Spanish.
La gran mayoría de sus vídeos son maravillosos
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note (from a french litt major): it's extremely outdated and familiar and used to also be used as jargon for "unsellable merchandise", it isn't a word that would come up in conversations :)
Uhm, actually it is quite a common word.
I'm French and it's quite common to refer to a film as a "nanar". It pretty much boils down as a compliment for a bad, over-the-top movie that takes itself way too seriously and unexpectedly becomes hilarious. That's why The room is definitely a Nanar but sharknado is not, since it was purposely made as a caricature.
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Uh... so what you're saying is the best movies have camp. What does that have to do with bad movies?
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Great video! I think Terry Gilliam would have also been a great example of camp that works
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I feel like some famous horror movies of the 80s capture this perfectly, in both predator and the terminator whether its the over the top music or cheesy one liners they both don't feel out of place and the movies wouldn't be the same without them.
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"Movies that still take themselves seriously"
He says while playing the rocky horror picture show.
The entire film is a joke!
Yeah, I didn't get that juxtaposition at all.
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Spider man by Sam Raimi its the perfect example of a fun, sometimes camy but heartfelt and sincere movie.
I’m shocked you didn’t mention Sam Raimi, the king of incorporating camp in serious movies without it feeling out of place.
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How come you didn't mention any of the Edgar Wright movies, who also uses "campy" techniques to make scenes more enjoyable.
I would like to point out that this video does not discuss camp in its original context, that of LGBT subculture. Films like Rocky Horror or The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert do camp in ways that move beyond just being about tropes and self-awareness. They camp things like gender, which are not contained just within the film, but are far more real ideas. I think this misses out on the opportunity to historicize camp, and show the effect that minority communities can have on mass culture.
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DEPP- Love your analysis, I never really considered this. And I didn't know "camp" was a movie term. This was interesting. Also....Oh, hi, Mark-
How are the Sharknado movies "so bad it's good" when everyone making the films are in on the joke. They know they are making a bad movie and that people will watch simply based in the title. Sharknado was made by The Asylum, which has made films like Snakes on a Train, the DaVinci treasure, 2 Transmorphers movies, AVH: Alien vs Hunter, Atlantic Rim, American Warships, Titanic 2, etc the list goes on. So many mockbusters. Why does Sharknado get so much attention when they also made Mega shark Vs Giant Octopus and Mega shark vs Crocosaurus and 2 headed Shark attack. I wish ppl would stop giving it credit as so bad it's good, when it was intentionally bad.
A film which could be argued for "it's so bad it's good" is Birdemic 2. Most actors and crew were in on the joke, but James Nguyen still thinks he is making a movie to rival Hitchcock's The Birds. "They look good from a distance." Lol
Other than that, I agree, good video.
Or The Room. Films that are campy but good embrace the genre and the tropes affectionately, with a hint of self-awareness and irony. Films that are just intentionally bad like Sharknado are made by people who embrace the over-the-top nature of the film without being affectionate about it. Films that everyone, except the director/creator, knows is really bad, but the director still takes seriously, like The Room, is when they try to make a great film in the most sincere way, but just fail, because they make it so over-the-top without embracing it, without understanding that it is in fact over-the-top, without self-awareness of its campy nature.
I like Sharknado because it is just so much fun. It says to the audience "You wanna see some over the top shit? Then let me show you!" It's not so bad it's good, it's just ridiculously over the top and that's what's great about it.
Living Shitpost Exactly! It knows it is campy.
Birdemic 2 is also self-aware.
Asylum is a fitting name for that company cuz anyone who makes this junk should be omitted to one 😄
Well I over slept. I never got in to so bad its good movies.
Before The Credits same.
You missed the point. The video's not only about enjoying movies that are so bad they're good, but about critically acclaimed movies (Princess Bride, Grand Budapest Hotel) that use techniques found in "so bad they're good movies" and pulls it off.
I actually made my comment before watching the video. I actual like the point he is trying to make but he showed a little too much Sharknado, which isn't a bad it's good movie.
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A Nightmare On Elm Street series if a prime example of this imo. While everyone is busy freaking out or taking the deaths seriously, Freddy is spouting one-liners and pulling off crazy over the top kills seemingly every time he's onscreen. The sequels are pretty shit, but they're still incredibly fun to watch
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