Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane) vs High Tension rubber (Tenergy) table tennis
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- Difference between Tacky Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane H3) vs Tensor / High Tension rubber (Tenergy 05). How to identify fake National, Provincial and Commercial H3. Coach EmRatThich will help you choose your best table tennis rubber.
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Some people think the more expensive the equipment, the better. That's completely wrong. The equipment must fit your level and your style of play. I use Hurricane 3 rubber ($18) and Yinhe W-1 blade ($60) for years. Bought all in the U.S. What's important is the sponge hardness, which is not normally indicated . I was lucky. I asked for and got 40 degree forehand, 39 degree backhand.
yes! Vote up for you!
Dear Emratthich i like your Videos! I have one question, what is the difference between DHS Hurricane 3 and DHS Neo Hurricane 3?
do you use h3 normal version (boosted) or h3 neo? thank You!
Denis Liske h3 neo is for adapted to new plastic ball
These videos are the best I've seen on You Tube regarding TT education. They make a lot of sense, and the information is factual, not guided by product marketing.
Well done.
Thanks EmRatThich, your explantion opens my sight about the table tennis rubber which I've perceived incorecctly for long time....
Thank you for such an educational video. I learned a lot about my own game now. I used Chinese rubber (729 SST, DHS H2), and I noticed that I play so much better when I hit very hard, and the spin and speed is unmatched. Your charts were very helpful. While I am still younger, I will continue using the Chinese rubber, but as I get older, maybe I have to consider using a tensor style Chinese rubbers like 729 Higher. Thank you, one of the best videos on Chinese rubber.
havent even watched the video but thanks for the effort by making these Videos to help us :)
Thank you so much. Your knowledge is most appreciated. I wish you all the best.
Thank you, coach, for excellent series. This episode on H3 vs Tensor has me somewhat confused and it applies to older players and their tactics+equipment (I am 80 y.o. but still nationally ranked). If you agree that (1) you generally win points by a change in spin, speed and/or placement; (2) the 40+ polyball reduces the spin component of this equation; and (3) the reality of older or disabled players is that their mobility is somewhat restricted, then I have used the balsa Dr. Neubauer Titan (or Re Impact Tachi) blade combined with long pips on backhand (GD Cropcircles OX or Mo Wang 2 OX) and until now, H3 on FH. With a close to table style putting time pressures on opponent, the tactics are to use the long pips to force a winning forehand attack. Your video has me now concerned that age and a close-to-table style cannot provide a hard forehand stroke and I may, as a result, be better off with a tensor type inverted on my forehand for the resulting "short" forehand stroke. Your reply and comments are always welcomed and appreciated. Richard
Very informative. Thank you very much! Please keep these coming!
I learn many things about table tennis by watching your videos. Thank you!
Very informative! thank you for your videos mr EmRatThich!
Thank you so much for the very comprehensible explanation. This video ist the first one that made me actually understand the differences.
If ZJ gives me his racket, i will sell it xD
Hey, thanks again for another great video! I've been trying to use my leg strength to hit the ball, my performance during training has improved, but I still find it difficult to apply the technique during match play. Hopefully I'll sort this out soon! :)
I'd like to ask your opinion about factory tuned rubbers, such as DHS' NEO series, Yinhe's Big Dipper, etc. Are they worth it? Do we have to retune them often? Or is it ok to buy a classic chinese rubber and play without tuning?
And what about chinese-euro hybrids such as Xiom's Vega China and Tau, Palio's Thors, Yasaka's Rising Dragon, Stiga's Genesis...?
Thank you for video as the present for my today's birthday :D
Haha. Happy Birthday :)
Wish you have more fun of playing table tennis. see u.
Thanks :D
Happy birthday even late 2 months。。。
same，HuaWei,
Happy birthday even late 2 months。。。
same，HuaWei,
I use chinese TT rubbers since 1982. From old Friendship 729 over DHS PF 4 to these days with Globe 999. I'm very satisfied and I never will change them. It's individual. The point is just find right combination of sponge hardness and elasticity. Upper layer is always same with superb stickiness and longevity.
Yes, I found the same conclusion with you. The point is just find a right sponge hardness and elasticity.
Today I used for the first time 2 DHS Hurricane 3 NEO on my Korbel SK7 (very cheap and tacky!): it was amazing, easy to loop, too much spin, I can do backhand flip very easy and the oponents are surprised by the massive spin (serves, FH topspin, etc.) Very thanks to EmRatThich for the excelent advice! Now I should get used to it!
Simply put, the hard, high-speed sponge means the dwell-time on the rubber is short.
It's the speed then that is the independent variable that drives the choice of stickiness, the dependent variable.
Against a fast, very spinny, loop, tacky rubber is essential or else the ball is just _rubbing_ (dynamic friction) on the rubber, wasting energy, and it comes off the rubber so quickly that a full reversal and counterspin is less successful.
Tacky rubbers exploit _static_ friction. The ball is seized, hand-cuffed, and made to reverse its spin by sheer force.
When I played in the 70's, the tacky rubbers appeared, and I switched to the fastest, tackiest rubber available, and a fast heavy racquet. This was hard to control so for several months I used the same bat, but Tackiness _chop_ (in those days Tackiness rubbers _were_ sticky). This was too slow to win many games, but I learned to focus on extreme consistency and stroke production, and counter-looping was ridiculously easy on bh and fh. Also did a lot of heavy-weight training swinging forehands and backhands with a barbell, and learned the fundamental importance of high-mass/low velocity (body,shoulders) momentum transfer to low-mass/high velocity at the hand/blade business end.
Then went to fast tacky rubbers and had little trouble. Because of stylistic ideals ( _never_ push, always 3- 5- ball, flip short returns, loop-kill long returns, etc) I remained around 15th in my province, but had about as fast a drive and counterlooping game on _both_ sides as any of the provincial team.
All this to say that you _should_ get Chinese rubber and probably for both sides if you are young and have good coaching and training available (which I didn't have). Fast racquet, fast sponge, tacky rubber. All of it. Don't think about it. Iron out any problems and adapt to the best (genuine, not fake) equipment, and don't keep switching around from this to that.
Used DHS HURRICANE 3 NEO(orange sponge) on FH for past few weeks on MICHEAL MAZE ALC . The first week it was worst and pungent smelling& later on frequent practice ,a lot had changed fore hand strokes are precise and to the point . Excellent throw now the rubber looks more promising to play with
459 Jyo and what do you on your back Hand?
Excellent !!! thanks for all you videos 🤗
Thx a lot coach ERT, very nice video.
I am trying to comment with English. I agree with your statement about why pro chinese players are using Chinese Rubber for forehand. But for backhand, Wang nan(retired ), Ma long, Fan zhendong, Xu xin (he used to ), Shang kun, Yan an, those top player all use Chinese sticky rubber for backhand. Espically in 40+ time, more and more Chinese top players switch their backhand to sticky rubbers.why? because it can give them more power and speed in 40+ ball. I mean no matter forehand and backhand, you choose rubber base on what you need and what technical you have. Chinese rubber are sticky so the sponge of Chinese rubber are hard (otherwise no speed) as well as the weight of Chinese rubber are heavy. The advantage of Chinese rubber: easy to return short, serve spin, powerful looping and price is cheaper compare with ESN rubbers and Tenegry. By the way, in my experience ESN tensor Rubber or Japanese rubbers are better for amauter players although I am from China and I am use to use sticky rubbers, coach Wu jinping (Ma lin, Wang hao and Fan zhendong's coach) have same statement as well(he told to fans in a video). By by the way , I strong believe for a amauter palyer, good rubbers are much important than a top blade. I hope you guys can understand my English^_^ I try my best.
Hi Aaron, I really like your comment. For the new poly ball 40+, the high tension rubber such as Tenergy 05 is not fast enough, so nowadays, the players tend to use harder rubber for the Backhand. We understand your English, very clear. Thank you.
Isn't he saying the opposite?
Maybe I misunderstood
aaron tian, emrath say right. backhand tacky rubber have a little more bouncy then forehand, but not much bouncy as tenergy series. I play tenergy for years, now I swith to hurricane 3 neo provincial orange sponge 37 degree. I am so happy with it. so much speed and so much spin
Very insightful video, thank you for this :)
Thank you very much! your videos are excellent!
what is the best way to improve and strenghten my technique? should i do more multiball or is playing exercises the better choice ?
thanks for this. makes sense now. I use both of these rubbers and have enjoyed Tenergy 05 on my forehand but I can't slam as well at low throw angles the way I do with Hurricane 3/Neo. I've found I need to take the shot at the height of the bounce or I can't land topspin slams with Tenergy 05. Your breakdown explains why, interesting.
thanks for the amazing pieces of information.... Keep up the good work... thanks.
EmRatThich Hi. Do You not explain what the parameter "throw angle"?
Awesome Video,
I started now to Improve my technique and footwork.
I also bought an Donic Waldner Allplay which is an Allround Limba/ayous blade, to get more controll and confidence in my play :)
thank you coach for your review, i am enlighten by the video
Ok, so I have a question. I am a penholders and play exactly like wang hao does. Serve, third ball attack and then use a loop kill to move around and tire the opponent. I want to know what backhand rubber I should use because I use a hurricane 3 for forehand but still do not know what to use for backhand. Help?
Thank you for the video. Can you do a video on short pimple rubber and the techniques, especially for shakehand forehand? Thx.
I use Hurricane III blue sponge provincial for more than three years. I love it. It gives best combination of control, spin and speed. I used to play with Tenergy 05. Although very fast rubber I could not control very fast loops and I was struggling to keep the ball inside the table. With Hurrican I can loop very fast with my whole body and give crazy spin to the ball and still be sure ball comes down and hit the table.
It is very difficult to get used to a tacky rubber if you played with esn all your life. When I tried it out my shots were very inconsitent. Some were like world class while on others I had no feeling for the ball at all
I had the opposite experience. I've been using soft rubber for years until I tried out a friend's H3. I've never gone back
Thank you friend, you just confirmed my suspicion. I play with hard rakza 7, rubber throws ball high against good lobbers, but with h3 throw is much much lower with huge spin depending on force.
Hi Coach!🤗
I have been using RITC Faster rubber on my backhand.
My backhand is more dominant than my forehand.
I can feel the ball especially when driving away from table.
I then switched to Mark V (is it tensor? ).
BUT I couldn't feel the ball during hard loops/drives away from table.
The ball seems to bounce back fast and don't vibrate the blade.
Should I keep this or would you recommend another rubber?
I am using Stiga S-5000 all wood blade. I feel like I also need to upgrade my blade.
Any recommendation?
With the new poly ball 40+, should I stick to the tensor rubber or change to a harder rubber? If so, what rubber would you recommend for the backhand? Thanks.
I tried my friend's boosted h3 prov and was surprised by the speed. it was rocket fast when I hit harder than a certain point but the feeling and the throw angle was consistant.
Thank you for the video! It is very interesting nd useful! Tell a bit please about the rubber 999t!!! Can an amateur use it? is it also good for a smash?
I've been playing with Friendship Battle 2 (basic model) with Falco Tempo Long booster and it is absolutely amazing. Spin and speed is just insane for a 20 dollar rubber.
How many layer do you use? Is it as tacky as hurricane?
Many thanks for the information and clear explanation
Hi Coach! Thank you for this informative video and just I found out I had a fake DHS Hurricane Neo after all!!! Could you please advise which legit online store to buy the mentioned rubber. Thanks for your help as always :)
Hi Coach
Love your posts - you seem like the most knowledgeable of all the TT bloggers. 😉👍
Based on your blog's an advice I switched my forehand Rubber from tensor to Chinese hurricane 3. At first difficult but then my technique improved very fast and spin is amazing resulting I kick effect plus I love tackiness for serve!
BUT, my Killshot is diminished. Even when I hit very hard with hip rotation - it's not as fast as tensor.
I prefer how Chinese rubber plays, but need more power. But I do t want to use booster because of health Hazzard and hassle of rebooting constantly!
So what to do?
Will another Chinese rubber like blue sponge privincial or nittaku h3 really be faster?
I do not really want to go back to tensor but the lack of power is a problem! 😥
What do I do? Please help!
I'm penholder, I use rakza 9 in forehand and rakza 7 in backhand, I was change Donic persson exclusive OFF to DHS PG7 1 mounth ago.
Sometimes the forehand spin is difficult, I think about testing skyline TG3 neo. Do you think it's a good change?
reverse penholder here, i play with donic bluefire m1 backhand and DHS neo H3 on forehand on a Double FIsh STx carbon blade, but used to have donic bluefire m3 on FH, had to adapt specially on serves, feel is different, loops are easier IMO, just totally made a difference as i am a hard hitter, and in exchanges first attack was on the table but 2nd and 3rd were harder to keep on, but with Neo H3 i can just keep going and harder i hit, spinier it gets and stays on the table.
- a proud canadian RPH player :)
Could you please give me a suggestion for a new forehand rubber? I a defensive player who likes to play far from the table. I have a heavy topspin loop, but sometimes also chop on the FH. My blade is Joo se Hyuk.
For a beginner-intermediate player, is it better to use DHS rubbers with or without NEO?
I also have noticed that tenergy rubbers hit hard with low force, but kinda stay the same with high force. Maybe Kenta Matsudaira uses tenergy to make his block extra powerful because the ball will really bounce off with little effort? on backhand I'm not sure of using a tensor because I also play very hard on backhand and have no trouble playing topspin with it with a chinese rubber.
Hello, EmRatThich, could you please recommend some cheap setup for beginner to improve a technique? I saw all your videos but nothing there about something you can use at the beginning. so far I used 729 super soft with noname wooden blade. I like this rubbers but I want to improve more.
Can you do a video on Alexander Karakasevic? I find his playing style and success for many years very interesting and effective.
Excellent! Thanks.
Hi coach I use Inmerforce ALC blade and DHS hurricane rubber in my both forehand and backhand should I replace my backhand?
Couch, could You comment on sponge thickness as well? for both Chinese and tensor rubbers
This is the best video ever .....To perform like Hurricane you must have own power to fit Hurricane rubber .
thanks a lot coach.. it will help me.
thanks for this. very informative : ) keep it up
Whats the best Rubber for control? i bought a stiga carbon pro paddle but it doesn't have a good feel for control on the rubber.
thank you for clarifying
extremely good video!
Most of the chinese proplayers play chinese rubber on FH but on BH tensor rubbers : Tenergy 05,64, Andro RasantGrip, Rakza 7, Donic Bluefire M2 or Donic Barracuda !
The most frequented sponge hardness on FH : 6-8 ,on BH : 5-6.5 !
The most Chinese players need this catapult effect on BH side from tensor rubbers.
The ball feeling of your equipment is determined by the hardness of your rubber !
It is not an accepted combination slow blade with extreme speedy rubber , most of the players choose a OFF- OFF or OFF+ blade with a speedy rubber .But not always
max sponge rubber !! Often you can not read about anywhere whether the player use a max sponge or only 1.9mm or even thinner !
Equipment is important but over-emphasized ! You are a beginner : you have to learn
everything but at low speed ! After practicing a period of time you have to change
your speed because speed is an important elment in table tennis . Speed is the spin too! Because the spin is the rotation SPEED of the ball !
No doubt : whose reaction is quicker that has an advantage !
But there is a limit in speed you are able to controll and you have to know your limits .
There is a too speedy equipment for all players ( for the profis too )
But proplayers know their limits and so they can their play controll . Speed is an
important factor but other factors : strategies and tactics are important too.
+g imre exactly. You have cited the most important tips for new players in table tennis. I like your comment. Thank you for sharing.
Excuse me coach... Please help me.... What choice of rubber is suitable for Zhang Jike super ZLC blade?
729 and LKT make many different kinds of rubber, as many manufacturers do, but is there a few you can recommend to try for someone switching their FH rubber to Chinese style? Thanks!
EmRatThich can you please make a video about reviewing tenergy 05
Is it a good combination to put Chinese rubber on forehand of viscaria or xiom vega pro blade with zlc carbon?
Hello coach! I use a 5ply wood blade that is not too fast and perfect. First I had Mark V but then switched to Rakza 7 as I wanted something faster. But after seeing so many good reviews on chinese rubbers and that chinese players use this as a forehand loop rubber. I wonder if this would be a good switch. Exactly what I am good at (forehand loop). So I would have a Rakza 7 on my backhand and maybe Hurricane 8 Mid-Hard or Hurricane 3 Neo on my forehand. Any tips if this is a good switch. If I would switch and like that combo I will have it for a long time. So should I switch my forehand rubber to Chinese and which one? Thank you!
Greatful for a answer!
So which chinese rubber would you recomment?
My friend plays with hurricane 3 and he said after 3 sessions the rubber wasnt tacky anymore
Hi em...i have a new viscaria blade, but i am still confuse to set up rubber on my blade..should i choose chinnes rubber or tensor rubber?..pls advice..tks
I'm using mark v on my forehand and i find it harder to keep the ball on the table the harder i hit. I like to loop and loop kill the ball. Mark v isn't super tacky. I do have good footwork and i like to fully swing on my forehand and really try to kill the ball would DNS hurricane neo be good for me?
i m playing since 6 years ,i m a close table player . i played with mark v for 1 year (but unfortunately it was fake rubber) . what rubbers u will recommend for me as a close table player.
hi emrathich, the chinese rubbers are make to the long and power backswing ? tensor are make to short backswing ?
+emrathich did you heared about hybrid rubbers(EU speed and CHN spin), Yasaka rising dragon,... What do you think about mid-hard DHS H8?
Hi Em i have tenergy 64 2.1 on my forehand and rozena 2.1 on my backhand on my yasaka ma lin carbon blade. I play offensive with with forehand topspin and backhsnd drive block and topspin. But many balls go ovet the table should i change somethin in my ewuipment???🏓 please answer me when you have time Em, thanks a lot in advance😀😃😃😃
*Hi EmRatThich,*
*Thanks for your help. Since I started to watch your videos, I've discovered, a lot chinese secret that I never seen, since I started to play TT, 5 years ago. Unfortunally, I bought a fake DHS A6002 racket, 1 years ago :(*
*Now I want know if exist some way for increase the tacky of the topsheet, without remove the rubber from the blade, and without use booster. I use this racket at school and not for tournament or similiar, so I'm ready for use all method that exist, for improve spin as before. Does the smell of original dhs rubber damage the lungs, even if it is far from the face ?*
Clean your rubber with sunflower oil let it dry out and use rubber protection sheet to improve tackiness on older Rubbers.
can you please tell.me is.dhs hurricane long rubber and tenergy O5 rubber iss good for gergely tamca 2000 because i tried it i cant spin properly instead.it flat drives.which make.it faster to get which rubber do u suggest in the 2 rubbers i mentioned?
I switched from Joola energy xtra to Friendship 729 lightning, I think it has helped as the ball stays on the table when I hit harder, also It has a higher arc then the Joola energy xtra, does that mean its fake (it is a property I like)?
Thank you for your video:)
thank u sir. it will help me a lot
I am using dhs rubber as my fh for a year. my coach told me to buy innerforce layer alc as blade and use tenergy as fh and bh.but finaly I changed his idea about dhs and I want to use again a dhs rubber.i want to use h8 as fh on innerforce layer alc. cause i have played with it.do think is it good?? or should I use h3 and other??
tnx
I have a question who is better in fh donic baracuda or Hurricane 3 neo in the topspin
I would like to put the Yinhe Big Dipper eraser on the right side of my Donic Defplay Senso,
What do you think about Coach
? I'm a chopper
Hi coach. If there is such a big difference, how come that videos on youtube or even some coaches teaching strokes such as forehand loop never mention what type of rubber is the stroke should be performed? Let us say the chinese forehand loop. Can you perform it properly and accurately if you use tensor rubbers? Can you put some light into this?
many thks to @ EmratThich. Thks for quick response cause i know you 're so busy, your advice is very essential to me.(I write in English not in Vietnamese language). I think this video is also useful for all amateur players like me in order not to rush to buy new pricey rubbers. this video helps me not to be a fool
great video!! , I have a question ¿how can I improve footwork?
Very good video friend, I have enjoyed a lot
Hi ! I m amateur player but I want improve my spin in serve ao can I use yasaka rakza Z ?? Pls give me a advice thanks a lot
I agree with your video because when I used it I fee better and convinced.
i really like your videos, i watched them all.
can you tell me few things:
1. what do you suggest to buy a low price chinese? what rubber
2. i heard few top chinese start using some new DHS rubber on their bh instead of tenergy, do you know what rubber is it?
Thank you for the video. I can have some information from that.
Can I ask you where are you from?
(1)
Can I use "Xiom Vega China Rubber" as my forehand rubber by replacing DHS hurricane neo 3(commercial)?,
Why I am asking because the DHS commercial rubbers don't have the consistence tackiness, but I see that "Xiom Vega China Rubber" have good tackiness for long time.
(2)
When I use Hard chines rubbers, do I need to remove and past the rubber every few days? And may I know which glue is better to past hard chines rubber ?
thanks for the videos. you may please help create about penhold. jpen, cpen and rpb. more power to you.
Hello,
I have recently bought a Chinese rubber (DHS Hurricane 3). Unfortunately, the tackiness was gone after the first training. Is this normal and what can I do against it?
So, even If I am lucky enough to get an authentic Chinese rubber like provincial or national ones, is it more recommended to use a booster as the graph shows? Is it normal for top players to use a booster with Chinese rubbers?
Some or many tournaments have regulations for players to use it.
I found some good advantages to use even commercial Hurricane neo 3 and 8 and really liked both, but some kind of limits exist in terms of elasticity and control. This is why I wonder if the booster could help play a fast rally or could generate low-arc drive balls when you loop kill.
Thank you for a nice video about the Chinese rubber.
I'm starting to play again, but it is so hard to decide what rubber to buy to get back in the game, and I'm not spending a lot of money so for now this is what I'm planning to buy to get back on track, Andro Super core cell ALL, Andro rasant grip, FH and rasant beat BH. Can some one look in to this setup and advice me ? I'm and intermediate looper, also like to put heavily spin on serves and couter, take care guys !
very useful thanks !!
I am using yasaka Rakza x on both sides they say the rubber hardness is 45-50 degrees so much harder than tenergy only 36 degrees. I want to know if I can still learn the Chinese philosophy, and proper Chinese forehand technique the same with this or it needs to be dhs or other Chinese product.
5:20 That's what I noticed as well with my Tenergy 05! There is a point where you just can't apply more force to the ball. When I hit it too hard it seems like the ball starts floating without any additional spin. I noticed that I don't have that problem with harder rubbers like the Tibhar Evolution MX-S which is basically the hardest European rubber you can get. The Chinese rubbers are well more suited for athletic hard hitting players which I consider myself, BUT you need an excellent footwork to play with those rubbers. The Tenergy 05 is just more reliable when your position to the ball is a little off and it suits my playstyle better even though I reach that force limit sometimes. It just happens too rarely. I like those spinny opening topspins and they're much easier to play with the T05 than with a Hurricane 3 f.ex. You have to play differently with Chinese rubbers. I think I could play with such a rubber, but there's almost no way to get a real national version of the DHS rubbers here in Europe. The tensor rubbers are also a lot easier to play and you don't have to boost them.
I would still love to know how Ma Long's racket plays, just to get an idea of the Chinese equipment. I am sure it's great for powerful high risk shots, short game and serving. It's probably very hard to use in the passive game (blocking, soft countering, pushing), on flip shots and spinny opening topspins.
Great video, you actually said all these things, so I almosted repeated everything, haha.
EmRatThich, what is the name of the music played since 7:30?
Wouldn't dignics 09c be perfect now cause it has European sponge but a very almost Chinese tacky topsheet?
What is the Best forehand rubber to use. I am using calibra lt
I am doubtful about that the logo with curved border is original, I bought hurricane 8 at various sources amazon, paddle palace and also from some coaches and non of them have the curved border. They also felt playing well.
Where can I buy original "DHS H3 Neo commercial" from? I am in UK. I bought one from Bribar in UK but the tackiness is not there. Suggest me couple of Chinese websites that are legit please. Thanks in advance.