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Secret of Table Tennis in China and Tacky Rubber
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2016
- Why do Chinese table tennis players use tacky rubber? Why has the Chinese National Team dominated table tennis for a long time? Coach EmRatThich will explain the secret of Chinese Table Tennis, tacky DHS Hurricane 3 rubber, Tenergy 05, Stiga table tennis racket, and more.
The secret of Table Tennis in China and tacky rubber. Stiga table tennis blade.
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EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach how about fan zhendong real blade??? (Viscaria with stiga vps handle)
Chinese rubber is too slow even with a good technique because of the larger balls, and it needs a booster. It is the Law of Physics.
Do the Japanese follow the same philosophy?
TheOlzee No they follow the western.
Just look at Jun Mitzutani🏓
I see you recommended yasaka rakza 7 rubber for forehand but doesn't that go against what you are saying about Chinese tacky rubber?
Lol i jist saw a recent instagram post where he states he uses Tenergy 😂
Sblinger ha,ha,ha... reallyʔ
so it is better to think it well. I wanted to try that rubber (rakza 7)... I have tenerɡy 05 in both sides... I heard from a friend rakza 7 was similar to tenerɡy...
now I doubt it... ha,ha,ha
After 3 years of using yours philosophy...im getting better...just using corbor reactor which is slower rubber , in my hand its speed is fast because of confidence in my stroke....my blade is stiga clipper cr....its time for changing to zlc...h3 neo on the forehand..tq coach
I just bought super zlc zjk yesterday. .
Amal Udin how did it go?I don’t think switching from a wood blade to ZLC blade is a good idea,that is a very large jump.If u want upgrade,u should actually opt for a blade with more control compared to ZLC blade like a ALC blade
Hi EmRatThich, I was wondering what are your top blades that will go well with Hurricane Neo 3 and Skyline TG3 Neo?
I've been watching loads of your videos and I think you're doing a great job, by the way! keep it up :)
i would say that the speed comes as well from tuning, with 3-4 layers of tuner the DHS rubbers are as springy as ESN rubbers, maybe you can make a video for tuning
If you run hurricane neo 3 on your forehand what would be a good rubber for a beginner on the backhand.
power from ground and hips from spin i dint get it what it means.PLZ REPLY ME
Im an amateur player and I have a Intensity NCT Penhold from Stiga with a TENERGY 05 2.1 in my FH and a CALIBRA LT 2.0 in my BH, should I just change my blade? change rubbers or change both of them?
Power from The ground
Spin from the hip!
Love your channel!
For Stiga clipper cr its good used Hurricane 3 in forehand?? Now im used Calibra lt spin on forehand on clipper CR and after a few times, i cant generate a spinn because theres no Gear in rubber.
agree, my experience soft rubber suit for elastic blade. I not recommend to use fast stiff blade with soft rubber, low vibration. You'll loosen control. It safely to choose at least medium hard rubber for most blade. but more stiff blade more spin decrease.
the good blade you will need something between elastic and stiff.
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I have two old Viscaria blades. What do you guys think with rubber cominations? Is it possible to play a medium to hard rubber? Does it go with a sticky chinese rubber or is the blade to hard for that?
My personal feeling is that the Viscaria is an extremly cool balde and it goes very well with soft rubbers. I started to play with it in the 00years so still with speed glueing.
I tried carbon blades, they are very cool to play also but quite hard to topspin. Too stiff I think...
The Viscaria is better in this area, I feel it's better to Topspin. In German we would say it has 'ein weicherer Anschlag'. It means the first touch it s softer especially when playing topspins. But with straight strokes it is also very fast and has a great sweetpot. Not as fast as a carbon blade but still great....
But I am afraid the blade is not flexible enough for a hard rubber. Especially because we can not glue anymore to soften the sponge...
Would be a medium hard Chinese rubber a solution?
What do you guys think???
Answers and thoughts are greatly appreciated!!!
I am looking for the blade which I can create the most spin ever over the ball. Currently I am playing with Joola wing fast and two dhs neo hurricane 3
Hi, I´m new in the ping pong game, I´ve bought a stiga pro carbon, I know that is not professional table and rubber ping pong paddle but I want to know what u think about stiga pro carbon, thanks
You claimed that Chinese players don’t play with carbon blades, but
Ma Long plays with inner layer ALC carbon on his Ma Long blade
Xu Xin uses the Stiga Dynasty Carbon (Xu Xin edition)
Fan Zhendong uses Viscaria but with a Infinity VPS handle (Viscaria uses ALC carbon)
Zhang Jike uses Viscaria
Lin Gaoyuan uses Viscaria as well
Countless Chinese Women’s team members use Stiga carbonado.
Hi I'm from Russia, I am grateful for your lessons and I need advice. I want to put the carbon blade and soft lining. How do you like my setup the blade Stiga Allround Classic ALL, FH DHS HURRICANE 3 BH DHS SKYLINE 3-60 MEDIUM HARDNESS? play table 1 year
You need to change a blade. It is too slow. Change your blade to dhs pg5. You really be happy with it
I've currently experimenting with H2. And curl p1r as a modern def. I use to play with H2 speed glued it was great. I love the hard direct sponge although it don't play that good away from table, where my other rubber and blade (juic spin spiel) is much better away from table. I did try skyline 3 but not so impressed.. for sure the faster rubbers like tenergy are a handful in the right hands. But it's great to beat someone playing a cheaper rubber over a pricey one. Hense confirming that technique wins the day....😁
Thank you for your channel, I have learned a lot from you.
Hello! In this video there is a "Ma Long" blade from years ago... it is TB ALC (Carbon blade), and there is ZJK's blade shown also... that is a Viscaria... (Carbon blade) so they use Carbon blades!! Otherwise the conception of the main thing you want to say is not bad... :)
Thank you Laszlo. I mean "carbon blade" in the video is something like Schlager Carbon, Tamca 500 ! Viscaria for me is not a carbon blade. :) Also ALC and ZLC is not a "true carbon" blade.
For me, OSP blade is a very good blade with good feeling and clear vibration.
i don't see the osp expert on their website?
I have played with an ALC carbon blabe for 10 months. I thought it was amazing but in this week I started to try a 5 plies wood blade and now the end of the week I really like it because I think it's more reliable with chinese rubber and my play is better. The speed is more than the ALC blade because I can do the good technique and I became more stable and my equipment is lighter so my hand is faster.
@@nagyandras8866 what is the 5-ply blade?
Well, I am thinking of getting a PG-7 blade and pf4 rubbers on both sides. Is that a good set up for someone who is learning the proper strokes?
Yeah that's perfect.
I started with 2x 729 Fx as well and from there moved to H3 forehand, Donic backhand.
I want to know DHS w968 and DHS hurricane long5 difference.
W968 has more wood feel. W968 is slower on touch stroke and powerful on hard stroke. W968 has more dwell-time, more control then hl5. Hl5 not as good at touch game, less dwell time. I have dhs pg5 professional version(Clone w968). It blade also has good dwell-time, good touch game, power on hard stroke.
Super useful video too: I used to play with my butterfly OFF+ blade and adidas p3/p5 rubbers, but I cant afford to pay better rubbers like tenergy 05... and found a used blade at our ebay (mercadolibre), a Stiga Allround Evolution with Bluefire M1 and Acuda S3. My game improved very much with this blade! the feeling of the ball is more noticeable and I have much more confidence! I can strike harder and I am thinking about buying a non tensor chinese rubber now... I use to strike very hard, would it be good for me?
Hmm yes it would since Chinese rubber not as bouncy as tensor rubbers, just don't hit too hard and complete your strokes, use it and feel what is the adequate amount of strength needed.. good luck.
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Is it Stiga per se or Stiga-"type" blades? If you look at the pile of rackets on the table, you'll see a Donic blade, a Butterfly Viscaria, and a DHS Hurricane Long of some sort. The last two are not all-wood blades, they're carbon-arylate blades and are fairly fast.
more a stiga-type. Majority of Chinese kids start with Stiga CL nowadays and some keep using Stiga CL in international games. Yes, some of them will migrate to ALC blades, not you don't start with that as a beginner. Pure wood blade is always recommended. And Xu XIn is still using pure wood blade and he is amazing.
I don't know if this is the place to ask, but I hope someone can help me
I am buying my first blade, and I was thinking for a yasaka sweden extra with DHS 3 hurricane on both sides (red/black).
Is this right for a beginer/intermediate looping aggressive player? Thank you!
Timotei Centea I recommend a bouncier rubber on backhand. Because the backhand stroke is shorter.
Nice video. Q1: What most tackier rubber compensate on characteristics
of rubber ? Probably just spin goes up, speed down... Q2:For off- blade and
medium rubber does it essential to have higher tacky rubber?
SOS!! What is good BH rubber as per your set up?
Butterfly Primomac 5plywood
H8 forehand
backhand ??
Thanks for the feedback
Xiom Vega Asia (I use it currently). It is not pricey in comparison to Tenergy
Good spin
Good power (spin and speed, but only when hitting harder as it is a medium rubber)
Very easy to place the ball everywhere
Can be used further from the table as well, if that's the case hit superhard
Very easy to chop-block as well
I was using DHS Hurricane 3 NEO & Butterfly Tenergy 64 with Butterfly Viscaria blade. I changed my FH rubber now from H3 NEO to Xiom Vega Pro. Once I wear out the Vega Pro I will go back to Tenergy 05.
takitezy7 tenergy 64 in your backhand? How is it?
Great video👍🏻
Did you notice that Li Xiaoxia is playing with Stiga Carbonado 45?
can I ask ? which rubber is the most suitable to fit for kumpuru-FL butterfly which is a soft carbon
Since it is a soft carbon blade I assume it is in an all+ to off speed-class. In that case, I'd suggest starting with any medium rubber that has a grippy topsheet, and then progressing towards harder rubbers, maybe even a tacky rubber (if you want)
Hi madter emratthich. love your videos. I see all players uses black chinese rubber but not red. what is the difference between the colours?
Hello Emrathich I’m from Europe🇩🇰 and I play with Hurricane 8 in FH and MX-P evoulution-50 in BH🏓.
What blade Should i get i Want a OFF or OFF- but What blade.
I know much more about table tennis.
Greetings from denmark
I can't decide between DHS PG-7 and Clipper, any advice?
I have the PG-7, its an upgrade from standard wood rackets as it has 2 hard outer-layer wood and 5 soft inner wood
It might not be carbon stuff (I don't need that stuff at my level yet), but it increases the stiffness of the rubbers based on my experiences and I love it. I have been using it for 2 or 3 years and I am happy with my purchase xD
Stiga Clipper, I have heard good things about it but I haven't played with it at all. Soooooo I can't help you there.
But I recommend PG-7 or any of the similar PG series to people who want a little extra "POP". I can say that before the PG-7, My rubbers felt bland and slow but I worked on the spin/speed on my own. Get the PG-7 and it brought the rubbers to life and I was wow'd LOL
I actually went with PG-7 and am loving it along with h3 neo on FH since two months ago, it really is a very good blade, it has power from away the table and I love counter looping so, I think it fits me just fine~ keeping the ball on the table is sometimes the problem as PG-7 is kinda somewhat a little stiff....but this means that I just need to work on my technique more... :D
Are you serious? That blade is the softest around. Many of the younger kids use it for that reason!
Isn't hardness different from stiffness.
i think this is true. i use stiga all wood blade and dhs hurricane 3 (forehand) and dhs pf4(backhand) for 2 years now
If I have the stiga pro carbon blade, should I change it?
Hello, I'm using Dhs pg7 blade, and two rakza 7, so i have to change my equipment, i like this blade, so is good to use the same blade or is better i change it?
about the rubbers, i think about Hurricane (forehand) and tenergy (backhand) , so have many kinds of this rubbers, can you help me which these chose? Thank you.
As long as it is Chinese rubber on your forehand and a Butterfly (or any other highspeed rubber that is lightweight) then you should be fine
I've made the stupid mistake before at the beginning by having two chinese rubbers on both sides and the other people at clubs said it wasn't right because they are basically weighing down the entire racket
Further more, forehands with chinese rubbers can utilize the larger or wider (whatever it is) range of motion of the arm to generate spin/power.
Backhands, however, don't have as much room to work with. That is why most of the top chinese players use some sort of Butterfly rubber on the backhand side. Its just more practical/efficient
If you tenergy is too expensive you can get Tibhar Evolution MX-P as an alternative.
Hi coach, what blade buy to learn technique ? I play sanwei M8 around 1 year and think maybe try 5ply wood with more speed.
Hey EmRatThich your vids have helped me get better at table tennis! I currently play with the Nittaku Flame Carbon blade, Hurricane 8 FH, and Andro Rasant BH. Should I switch to an OFF- blade or keep my setup? I'm trying to model a looping playing style similar to Ma Long's! Thanks!
I really relate to the Chinese game philosophy, but do you think a player which use Tensor European rubbers and Western style for many years can suddenly switch to Chinese style and switch to hard rubber?
Do you think a Western player can make this transition after many years playing with Western equipment?
Hello Emrathich... yours videos about Asian players and their techniques is really good...I'm using Dhs rubber(FH) and stiga blade since 7years...mastered that Asian technique..but I have a question...as table tennis geting update.. in future will it be close to table play?..like hitting off the bounce...
Don't forget the pros speedglued and now boost the hell out of those rubber until they play much softer. There are so many hybrids today too!
i have a question,my coach told me there's no real difference between tmb ALC and tmb Spirit. so do think the same way or are there some differences between them.
If I remember correctly, Timo Boll said that Ma Long's bat is much faster than him...
This is true. The reson for this is that Timo Boll doesn't boost his rubbers. All chinese players and a lot of other players (even with tenergy) boost their rubbers to enhance the speed of the bat.
That's BS, it's how they swing, players like Boll, Mizutani swing with their arms bending and start swing with their hands besides or even in front of their bodies. None of the Chinese player swing like that, they swing with the arms extended, and start swing with their hands way behind. Check the video.
Racket is not equal to the blade..
Thank you for this channel. You are amazing!
hey coach firstly great videos. i m a huge fan and never miss any video.
but i am surprised that u didn't mention one of the greatest chinese rubbers ever produced. the rubber with which wang liqin ruled TT for over 10 years. the DHS HURRICANE 2. extremely hard to control due to very low throw angle and sinking after the bounce but if u cud tame that rubber as LIQIN did then its probably one of the best chinese rubbers ever produced. i wonder why modern players pick H3 over H2. CAN YOU PLZ ANSWER THAT?
plastic ball and marketing I guess
Anshu Yadav ，
He would speed glue the hell out of it until it is not hard at all but super 'soft' and elastic. Boosting these days does not add elasticity to the topsheet, so there is lots of tension added but the way it plays is not the same. Anyway, he had monstrously amazing technique = 100% important.
Ur vidos have saved me from the western wrong way in a couple of months I will get ALC blade forehand hurricane h3 and backhand tensor rubber I haven't had any training yet but your videos have improved my table tennis like crazy 😜
The vídeo was very helpful. Thank you for sharing this with us!!
Can you recommend some good stiga blades for amateur/intermediate players ?
Allround, Infinity
Thank you EmRatThich for sharing.
You are the man !!!! lol Yes MASTER !
Thank you for such a wonderful video. Can you suggest a good smooth rubber to chop with? I don't like to play with pips.
@Mangesh Joshi Thank you!
The examples given in the video aren't always true to your explanation (although your points given are largely correct, especially for the older generation Chinese players). I think majority of CNT players today use blades that don't have much feeling (i.e. Viscaria, Boll ALC). Compared to blades like those from Donic, the feeling factor is a lot stronger than the ALC blades from Butterfly.
yes, the larger ball, we don't have other choice or the opponent will outplay us with a faster ball.
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach Is stiga clipper a good blade to use with h3 neo untuned? I not boost the rubber with boosters.
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Thank you!
Hello Coach, you make great and very knowledgeable videos. Xiè xiè. I have a question. How would a suitable blade-rubber-combination for a child look like? My son (8) is currently playing with a good beginner racket. However, it might be a good idea to get him accustomed early to the Chinese forehand. The Chinese rubbers are normally very thick. Do Chinese kids play with thick forehand rubbers? What about backhand? I would give him my Allround Classic or the OSP Origo.
50/50
Cant decide to adjust what is right or wrong, but can say what is good or not good.
And the blade support rubber by pass(POWER+SPIN) glue layer to sponge and rubber sheet.
EX. normal blade + good rubber = its bounce and spin but low power and spin.
good blade + normal rubber(from complete blade) = ? (i guess you all knew it well)
Believe me !
The blade decides 80% of the spin and power. Choose a good blade, and find any medium/medium hard rubber.
Rubber technology has made all of you "blind". There are many type of rubbers, however, your table tennis won't improve.
In China, they don't have enough money to buy such a Tenergy, however, their table tennis is very good. :) Think about it. Have fun !
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then how blade create spin ? only thing i know is sponge×blade hold the ball and rubber sheet will brush to create spin.
And you are right about techno rubber that make ameteur blind, but if we know how to play with a fine technique techno rubber will safe our muscle for double shot or rapidly player who play close to the table style.
Yes. For a normal table tennis, sponge will hold the ball and you brush to create spin. (European way)
However, chinese technique has found a new way to increase spin and power. The power come from your legs, hips. And you can add speed and spin by rotation of the hips. And to increase spin, you should use harder rubber.
Hello, Before I watched your videos I bought a Nittaku Acoustic Carbon Inner blade with Xiom Vega Pro max on one side and Xiom Vega Euro 2.0 on the other side. I started 8 months ago and I have been playing or practicing with a ball machine every day for 8 months. My coach says I am now playing at about 1600 and that I have improved faster than he has ever seen. However, I am 58 years old and I am not sure if I am fit enough to commit to a complete power game for 6 matches in a day. I do like playing all aspects of table tennis so my nature is more all around but if someone starts to bully me I want to use the power game to neutralize them. My weakest area is close to the table due to slow preparation, anticipation and recognition of what the opponent has hit to me. My technique is fairly solid but only when I have prepared well. From what you are saying I have the wrong rubbers and possibly the wrong blade. This blade is supposed to be off- or off. Should I change this blade? Or should I put a Chinese medium hard rubber on this Nittaku blade (if so which do you suggest?) or what else might you suggest? I currently have a new sheet of Rakza 7 soft 2.0 , 2 Kokutaku Blutenkirsche 898, 2 Yinhe Mercury 2 2.0 and two sheets of DHS National Hurricane 3 Rubber for $30 each ( I know these are counterfeit but I bought them before I watched your videos).
Steve, I used to train with an old man who has the most Table Tennis gold medals for his age representing Australia. These are the things he says that I still remember: 1) Find a good blade and stick with it! Changing rubbers is ok, but don't keep changing blades. 2) Training with robots is only good for basic technique development. Neglecting training with another person and focusing solely on the robot will make your game worse! 3) You are 58? This guy I play is almost 70. He is on another level he runs me around in a pool of sweat and knows how to exploit my weakness and doesn't allow me to play wot my strengths. It is all technique, anticipation and thinking a few steps ahead of your opponent.
Thank you for responding! I understand about sticking with a blade. I just wanted to get his opinion and then commit from here on out. By the way, I also play 3 times a week at my club then practice my weaknesses and basics as much as I can on the machine. I also get about one or two lessons a month when I can afford it. Thanks again!
no, don't change. You are already 58 years old, it's very hard to train hard now. Just enjoy your table tennis, play further from the table. Nittaku acoustic is also a very good blade. keep it :)
Thank you.
I'm in a french school for learning table tennis at a high level and I've just subscribed to your Channel because I train hard every day but I Want to improve faster . I play with a tibhar IV L balsa blade (allround) ST and aurus soft 2,1mm forehand nimbus soft 2,1mm backhand they are both medium soft rubbers my coach choose my blade for me as he knows me very well. Do you think it's a good choice? I've been playing with that for 1 year now (buying same new rubbers every 3 months because I play every day) thank you for the answer emrathichgaming ^^
balsa blade is really good blade to learn basic technique or correcting your table tennis technique. tibhar aurus soft is good for looping and play very far from table, but you cannot hit really hard. it will let your ball go away from the table. choose medium soft rubber or harder rubber then correct your technique. you will be good then.
firdaus nazeri thanks , my coach want me to play with a stiga blade I think it's the allround classic WRB I Will ask him if i have to play with harder rubbers too
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What is cheap rubber which similar like tenergy..please help me emraaatttich
Hello, I need an advice, At the moment im using a fast blade( TMB ALC ) and a soft rubber, my technique is not consistent and i want to learn the chinese technique but i cant keep the ball on the table many times, do i need to change to a slow blade and a medium hard rubber? and if so what do you suggest for a slow blade with a good feeling that could make my technique more consistent?
TMB ALC is not very fast, however as you are not comfortable with this blade. Change it !
You can buy an Allround + blade, stiga blade or osp blade. (find on google for osp blade).
Change it ! and you will improve your table tennis faster ! try it and you will see ! all chinese player start playing with allround blade !
Thank you so much, I learned a lot! Warm regards.
I'm currently using Butterfly joo sae hyuk(defensive blade) with medium hard rubber. When the time comes for me to upgrade to an all round blade which ones do you recommend?
Allround blade or allround+ is better as we will use the polyball.
Find a good stiga blade, or find an OSP blade. (Osp Expert is very good).
Thanks a lot. OPS Expert looks amazing. Even my coach said that my current blade is a bit too slow for me and will need to change soon. Great video. My coach had trained in China before, so your video pretty much explains the theory behind the things he's been teaching me during the lessons.
Wich blade do you use sir?
Anyone can arrange me one DHS Catalogue? i never saw the DHS Catalogue. Please help me find a magazine or a Catalogue oficial from DHS
What about for backhand? Should I also use chinese rubbers. I know CNT mostly use tenergy on the backhand. But if I am a beginner, then tenergy will be fast for me. Is that correct?
As beginner, don't buy Tenergy!! It's way too expensive. Get yourself some nice medium (Tensor) rubber with not too much thickness, a slightly offensive blade (assuming you want to play offensive) & practice, practice, practice. Everything else is wasted money and time (because you focus on equipment, not on training).
Later you can experiment with hard rubbers, tacky Chinese rubbers or the Tenergy stuff.
Thank you, Tom. :) Time to set up a paddle and spend more time on practice and training. :)
Best advice: stay away from TT forums as well.
Nothing there but equipment-obsessed people.
Get any JP, Ger or Swe rubber for backhand.
Em Rất Thích Gaming ơi!
I watched n learned table tennis from the chinese players' video and then i played myself without any coach, i tried to play like u said (legs, hip, waist). when i first played table tennis i chose Axelo, then changed to Long III (with bh ten 60 fx, fh rasant tubor) but i felt lack of power, it made me more tired than my opponents. Now i 've changed to Ligna Andro (with fh: Rasant grip, bh: rasant beat). do u think i chose the right bat suitable to my attacking style?
chinese playing style use all your body, that's why u will get tired really fast. but if you manage maintain your energy and play close the table, i think you will win lot of games with correct technique.
Hi! So kindly tell us your SPECIFIC recommendations of a set up for a beginner. What will you give to someone who is just beginning to learn. As you mentioned in your other videos, you said that there are fake chinese rubbers? But are this fake rubbers good for learning the basics.
mathematechx
Blade: ANY ALL-All around to Off-
FH: ANY Chinese (Black)
BH: ANY Euro (Red)
My blade recommendation is peel the rubbers of the premade you're currently using and glue your new rubbers on that.
thank you coach... now i know what am going to do... thank you for your video it enlighten me.
马 龙 = Ma Long
(2:46)
admin is vietnamese ???
Yes
I have used Chinese rubbers for more than 15yrs. The Chinese rubber is not an all blade rubber meaning you have to pair it with the right blade to make the best of it. Unlike Tenergy 05 and other Butterfly Series which can be use in almost any blades. Even though some Chinese players use butterfly blades majority use STiga and a few decades back Avalox blades.
I am not sure if you are talking about previous generation of Chinese players and soft blades, but current top players use carbon blades except from FZD.
Even FZD uses Viscaria which is a arylate carbon blade, it has vps infinty handle.
Hey, I'm from Europe and I am using a soft wood and medium-hard rubbers. I can generate a lot of spin on both Forehand and backhand but it lacks power. I try to hit the ball harder or to improve my technique but the results are minimal. Should I upgrade my rubbers to something faster or is it not always necessary to hit hard?
from what i heard, your style is similar to mine you re a looper, and you prefer to attack with strong topspins, from close to mid distance, with much spin and effect, i don t know your technique level, and we always have to improve, but for my experience, i'm more and less of middle level in my country (4th, 3d division) i suggest you to try nittaku acoustic with a spinny/fast rubber (tenergy05, rakza, tibhar evo, donic bluefire, acuda, joola maxx) this set up improve my game strongly!
Manuel Vicari yeah, that is good advice. It is mostly my frame that plays kinda slow. I play in 4th division so the level is somewhat the same. My biggest problem is that I get too nervous during matches cause now I really improved my topspin and loop but I am afraid to hit hard during matches.
then, it s a wrong mental approach man! keep on practicing, and during the practice try to imitate all you would do in a normal match, when you start to have fun, you ll notice a decrease of mistakes, and your game will increase! so you can try to redo the same good things you did, in the match, at first you ll mistake, you ll probably lose a set or two, even the match, but when the engine will start you ll be able to play your game, believe in yourself and keep up the good work, my country is n t a good country for table tennis, but this little rule helped to become a discreet player for the italian 3d or 4d division, to believe in yourself. cheers for your new season!
Manuel Vicari wow thanks! This comment really motivated me. I hope you do well in Italy too
thank you my friend! currently we re first in the ranking with my team in 4th division, in my region! if we succeed we ll pass to 3d, i m the weakest one compared to my mates, but i ll do the best i can! Thank you, and keep up the good work man!!
DHS rubbers like tinarc 3 and tinarc 5 are too hard and too slow (untuned) compared with the ESN normal rubbers (untuned too) The same thing with the DHS skyline 3-60 and the DHS Hurricane 3-50 for example but not in the Hurricane 8 because the Hurricane 8 hard version is faster and a good rubber !!! i don't know if the other DHS rubbers are faster or slower but i like the Hurricane 8 only (for the moment) I love medium and medium hard rubbers like tenergy 05 FX, tibhar Evolution EL-S and EL-P, Joola rhyzm tech, Adidas ten zone ultra soft etc........ but not more than 45 degrees of hardness.
chinese rubbers are not meant to be fast like tensors wen u just hit passively.
the trick is to tame it and then it will do exactly what u make it do. thats the trick of chinese rubbers.
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tronxo206 isn't dhs 8 factory tuned anyway
TinArc 3 and TinArc 5 are actually pretty soft compared to the Hurricanes. They were designed for the backhand and resemble European rubbers.
If you want a fast blade it's an Palio Tct Titanuim blade it you could find it. Palio might have went out of business.
great video my friend! english subtitles would help a lot ;)
Thank you. I will try my best to transfer the Chinese idea. :)
Can i use stiga pro carbon
EmRatThich, I'm an intermediate level offensive player. I tried chinese rubber (h3 neo) after watching your videos and after using it for 6 months my topspins were more spinny but I missed the blocks and the small strokes of the european tensors and switched back to them. Now I´m generating less spin with the tensor and I'm thinking on buying a stiga blade as you say but I don't know which one to choose. I'm currently using an off- blade from andro but it doesn't have much feeling.Do you think its worth it to make the change to stiga? And which blade should I choose? Thank you very much, Alvaro from Argentina :)
Dear Alvaro. It's not necessary to change to Stiga blade, choose any mark that you like. But just buy an OFF- or ALL+ blade. Don't buy an OFF++ blade. Use more hip to generate power and spin. Bests.
Ok. Thank you very much
which andro blade u use?
I used andro temper tech off-. It was a very good blade but I sold it and got a Stiga blade
i bought the same blade 1 week ago..indeed,pretty good blade with a comfortable handle
I've saw this video about five times, but can't understand one thing. You said that chinese players prefer soft blades otherwise, European prefer hard carbon blades, but you show Zhang Jike and Ma Long rackets, that are Viscaria (carbon) and Timo Ball ALC (carbon). Where is the mistake? Thanks a lot.
Timo Boll ALC, and Viscaria is not a super fast carbon blade. ALC is soft carbon, and has good dwell-time. I said Chinese players (at the beginners) level, they all start with a slow blade. But I've seen a lot in western country, some new players just tried to play a super fast blade. :) That's what I mean.
Excuse me, where Can I get an original dhs rubber?
tabletennis11.com tell them enRatThich sent you. Have a great day!!
Steve Perry Thank you so much
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E thắc mắc, vậy tại sao các vdv TQ lại phải tuned mặt vợt của họ đến mức cong ngược trở lại, không lẽ như vậy ko làm cho miếng mút trở nên mềm ra sao ạ?
“Cough, cough,Harimoto “ Dimitrij, Timo lol
If I am not mistaken the Hurricane rubbers in your video was a fake one. The genuine one was not like that.
The one that says " Ma Long" was taken after a tournament when the Umpire was inspecting the blades. It`s from the TableTennisDaily website
uhm are chinese rubbers the only ones that are 'hard'
are there any medium hard rubbers that you can suggest please if i want to start doing this
There are many option. You can find a typical Hurricane DHS rubber, and use a booster to soften, to tune this rubber. You can also find a chinese rubber with 38 Chinese degree hardness. There are many brand: dragon, DHS, doublefish. It's not important, just find the rubber of 38-39 degree hardness..
+EmRatThich Gaming soooo does it have to be a tacky rubber like tg3 or hurricane 3
No need to be tacky. Tackiness will loose during time.
I'm using a normal 38-39 degree hardness without tackiness.
All of the pro rubber has tackiness when it is new, however, during 2 weeks, tackiness decreases to zero.
How about nitaku blade
H3 or H3 neo? Which should I get?
Profound Ambassador neo
While I agree that most people buy blades that are too fast, I don't see any data anywhere to back up the claims made here. Chinese TT players win because of their training. If the blade and rubber made that much difference then why don't all the Chinese players use the same equipment? The paddle preference is basically a matter of whether you like it or not. That provides the confidence mentioned to play more aggressively but the player still needs to be good because control is NOT a feature of the blade or rubber but only the player.
+Peter Nachtwey
Right now everyone uses Viscaria. Xu Xin is probably the only one left using Intensity because it suits his style.
Heck I remember from back in '09-10 every CNT Woman were using Stiga Ultralights yet they were still dominating.
You also have to consider sponsorships. If Stiga offered their latest blades for free then you'd also want to test them to decide whether you want to keep them or not.
I think it's about the best way to learn the game. I'm sure the pros have developed their technique so their equipment has less effect on their game than amateurs.
does european/japanese medium-hard rubber also work or just typical chinese tacky rubber? europe/japanese rubbers have more catapult while chinese rubbers need more power. can you recommend some? how about backhand?
Wait a second... but most of the blades used in CNT are harder than the one Timo Boll uses
Really? But they didnt learned to play with those blades...
@Andy Zhao: I Agree with you. Actually the top five players are using carbon blades. This information does not ha accuracy at all.
@@TEMPLARIOHOG i don't think u guys understand what he said... For developing players, should use slower blade with mediumgjard rubber to improve techniques. Those five player has perfect technique already thats why they can adjust with carbon blade to compensate with new polyball
the mic back then
Chinese are playing with hard rubbers but with boosters , so the rubbers are becoming soft also
hey coach, is the Donic Bluefire M2 hard enough?
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Most of the well known Chinese players use composite carbon blade (e.g Ma Long, Zhang Jike, Fang Bo, Yan An etc) Maybe young players prefer Stiga blades but this is not the case with the top Chinese players
Yes. But I mean Chinese players don't like a true carbon blade (like Tamca 5000). Nowadays, they prefer a hybrid composite (but not a carbon very hard blade) for the new poly ball.
awwww i can only afford a dhs pg13........
This is such a bull shit video. Did not expect this from coach.
Tacky rubbers help with close to the table game, mostly becuase Chinese players r short and stepping back they would have hard time covering table. Tacky rubbers have more control on loops from close to table. Grippy rubbers need player to play mid distance to put same kind of look. Europeans r taller and hence they prefer mid distance play.
Tacky rubbers also allow smaller players to put more spin with minimal arm movement, also keep ball low on short game.
After thousand of times seeing this now i understand...forgot to mention it...lol