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Table tennis booster mega test. Part 2: How does a boosted DHS Hurricane 3 rubber play?
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Part 2 of a two-part video series in which I review six different table tennis (ping pong) rubber boosters against an unboosted Hurricane 3 as part of an article that I wrote for Tabletennis11.com (link will be listed here when available).
Part 1 of this video series: • Table tennis booster m...
Original "To boost or not to boost article": blog.tabletenn...
Falco Tempo Long booster: www.tabletenni...
Falco Tempo Platinum booster: www.tabletenni...
Haifu Sea Moon regular booster: www.tabletenni...
Haifu Sea Moon National Yellow booster: www.tabletenni...
Haifu Sea Moon National Black booster: www.tabletenni...
Kailin booster: ttnpp.com/store...
Hurricane 3 (41-degree, orange sponge, commercial version): www.tabletenni...
Tibhar Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition: www.tabletenni...
Video recording: Motorola G6
Video editing: YouCut for Android.
Music: Bensound.com
0:00 Introduction
0:08 The Pong Professor
3:43 1. UNBOOSTED H3
5:13 FALCO TEMPO LONG (FTL)
9:02 FALCO PLATINIUM (FP)
11:54 HAIFU - REGULAR
14:44 S. HAIFU - NAT'L YELLOW
18:27 HAIFU - NAT'L BLACK
21:47 KAILIN
OMG.. this is wonderful input and output info about this topic... your game looks amazing as well.. this video series is legendary !!
Glad you enjoy it! It was a fun series to make.
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Have you ever tried boosting with homemade boosters? For example lamp oil can be used to boost since it mostly contains paraffin wich most other boosters are using as main component as well as far as I know
.....so, I made a follow-up video, in which I discuss how re-boosting changes the properties of the H3: th-cam.com/video/EBrYM9_y0yY/w-d-xo.html
This is ideal content for new folks learning about this boosting tech. The table is gold.
Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to share with friends and social media
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After seeing this video I decided to go for the national haifu, but as I didn't know which one to choose (I like harder blade for blocking), I tried the national white, which is in the middle of the yellow and the black.
I have blue and orange sponge, provincial. What I can tell is that compared to the regular haifu, it's a lot stronger, I used 2 layers and it became uncontrollable at least for me. After one week of the booster it plays very crisp, with a lot of spin. But the only downside is that it's very sensitive to spin, so blocking a strong topspin is very difficult compared to unboosted rubber, you have to be absolutely relaxed and control the angle or it will go out. But, the upside is that if you counter the topspin, the reaction is very good. So mainly it works for very strong loopers.
So for the ones who are going for it, I recommend to not use more than one layer, at least with provincial quality.
I don't like using too many layers as it generally softens the sponges too much .
Can’t wait for the video!
I hope you like it. It took a LONG time to make.
@@ThePongProfessor there is another white haifu out on table tennis 11...what do you think about it?
I've only been using baby oil because it is cheaper. Would you recommend a booster instead of it? I am looking mostly for something that increases softness but the speed not so much
Excellent experience 🎉
it's very helpfull, i think i will take the haifu regular. The cost is to high for some nat or falco booster.
They are expensive for sure. On the other hand, you won't be using much of the oil. It will last you long time. An investment in your TT :)
Very well done!
Great video, Patrick, thanks. I guess you have to apply three layers of the Falco Platinum to see a significant effect? Otherwise this booster would be quite a dissapointment.
I might have used too little booster, as I only apply two thin layers. I am actually in the process of evaluating the effects of a third booster layer (third layer put on glue layer) and will report back in due time.
I have some questions regarding boosters:
1) what is the chemical composition of these boosters? I saw some videos online using Baby Oil / Olive oil etc. Are the boosters that you tested also oil based or something else?
2) Does boosting reduce Lifespan of Rubbers(topsheet/sponge)?
3)In India, we use Omni Chemical Vulcanizing Fluid to stick our paddles with rubbers (it's a product by seahorse polymers and is originally manufactured for the purpose of fixing tire/tube punctures.) It also has a boosting effect but i am not sure about it's chemical composition either.
If you can get your hands on it then do try it. It's plain and simple just use it like you would use a water based glue.
Thanks in Advance.
Thank you for your comments.
1) I believe the boosters are most medium-long alkanes (C10-C16). I have never used baby or olive oil for boosting.
2) Boosting increases the risk of delamination between the topsheet and sponge (especially the H3 blue sponge is prone to this) and chipping of the rubber at the edges (due to increased tension). The durability of topsheet grip is unaffected imo.
3) I believe the vulcanizing fluid essentially is speed glue that is packed with VOCs and thus really illegal.
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so helpful thanks
Hi Pong Professor, thanks for all the effort you put in making these videos, great stuff! I have a question, to my understanding by boosting the rubber we are basically making the sponge swell so it becomes softer and more elastic. So what is the difference between 1) just use a rubber with softer and more elastic sponge, and 2) buy a rubber with hard and not so elastic sponge the boost it?
I think the biggest difference is that the interface between the topsheet and the sponge feels more dynamic and elastic when boosted. Otherwise you are right. One could simply use a softer sponge.
Once again, thank you for your comment.
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Thanks
OMG. It happened. My first super. Thank you. Much appreciated 👍👍👍
Good job ! Thank You ! 😊
Thanks.
Does anyone know what is the difference between these boosters and national white ??
I have not tested the National White.
@@ThePongProfessor would you be able to in a future video?
Haifu Sea Moon National Black booster you said it was slow I mean slow?
Yes, the booster is quite slow.
Falco long booster가 다른부스터보다 오래가는것은 사실인가요?
그리고 밑의 댓글에서 부스팅은 보통4주정도. 지속한다고하는데, 4주가 지난후 다시 부스팅을하면 똑같이 효과가지속되나요?
I don't think the length of the booster effect differs that much
Thanks for a great video! What is your current setup and are you boosting it? If so, which booster are you using? Also how long does the effect last?
I am using H3, Waran II and Samsonov Force Pro Black Edition. Boosting is felt strongly for 3-4 weeks and are still noticeable for 2 months.
@@ThePongProfessor Thank you for the information! Once again, great video!
Hi Patrick how did you get the Kailin booster? Great informative video by the way.
Hi Nova - I got it from TTNPP several years ago. Link is in the description.
Great informative video, can you tell me once booster effectiveness wears off is it best to strip off all the old booster and glue and start the process again? Thanks
Yes, strip off the booster and glue layers and start anew
How long is the effect of Haifu National Yellow Booster last?
I haven't done a proper longevity test. According to the manufacturer, somewhere between 2-4 weeks. In my experience you can still feel effects for ~2 months.
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Many thanks for doing this comparison! I would have only one more question: are there some of these boosters having a longer time for the effects to wear off? I guess, FTL is one of them, but for example, I'd be interested also in the Kailin booster's wear-off time.
Yeah, as I explained to Aleksandr, I don't have the time to study longevity of booster effects. Checking this for six boosters would take at least half a year (booster effect is likely to last at least 3-4 weeks, which corresponds to a minimum of 20 hours of playtime --> at least 120 hours of playtime. I play roughly 6-8 hours per week at the moment). I have way too much equipment to test, which is why I rarely comment on longevity (except if I play with a blade/rubber myself).
Hm - my comment wasn't published. Tech issue or is it forbidden to send a link?
My questions was, if Haifu changed the bottle of National Yellow. My favourite shop in Europe offers Haifu Seamoon with a yellow closure. Does anybody know?
Hi Jochen - Must be a tech issue? Anyways, the regular Haifu Sea Moon comes is different bottles depending on the year (I actually was using an older bottle in the video). The National Yellow version is distinctly different that the regular version.
Thanks...what is your friend use?
I believed he used DHS 301X, H3 40-degree orange (FH) and Fastarc S1 (BH) for most of these sessions.
@@ThePongProfessor thanks Prof
What do you think?? Which booster is good for european rubbers??
Btw thank you for this type of content
I would not use any of these boosters with European rubbers (they are boosted with limonene-based boosters, I believe).
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What u will use now for yourself? Maybe u will try glue layer first? Or use not only one layer/booster???
I liked the Haifu Nat'l Yellow and Kailin boosters. I actually continued the test, i.e., I disassembled the paddles, left the glue layers on, and added a third booster layer. I might make a third video on this, but other projects will likely be first in line.
@@ThePongProfessor waiting for third video, looking for yellow national haifu too, but price political on tt11 make me sadly, sry...
@@ThePongProfessor and what about bubbles?
@@aleksandrsay4998 I never get them with orange sponge. Don't know how likely bubbles are on blue sponge with these boosters
@@ThePongProfessor what about photos of top sheets, see pimple structure?
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Good job
Thanks. Turned out much longer that I had originally planned.
Hi Pong professor, I have two questions: 1) how does a boosted Chinese rubber compare to a hybrid Chinese like for example Stiga Genesis? 2) Since you're a chemist, are you worried that the majotiry of booster contain tridecane a toxic substance?
Hi. Re 1: A boosted H3 is still less dynamic than a hybrid rubber imo. Re 2: Everything is a poison, depending on the dose. I am not particularly worried given the small amount of booster used. That being said, I would not deliberately smear booster on my hands. Also, I would let the rubber dry in a well-ventilated room.
@@ThePongProfessor thanks for your reply
Super video
Thanks. It turned out longer than I expected, but this was a BIG test.
Does the boosting effect wears off when you don’t play and leave your racket for some time?
I was just curious if the booster effect will be gone in time whether you play or not
In my opinion, the booster effect is a function of playing time, not absolute time (provided you store your paddle properly).
@@ThePongProfessor thanks for your info🙌
nice nice very nice information❤
Thanks.
How do you classify baby oil? Thanks
Hi - I have never tried to use baby oil for boosting. In my opinion, boosters are sufficiently inexpensive (relative to the cost of a sheet) that I haven't bothered to try it out. Also, I rarely boost, meaning I use very little booster.
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Do you think it is worth getting into this type of tuning of your equipment when you have played table tennis for only four months? I play with unboosted H3 neo on a stiga offensive classic blade ... it is very slow and very spinny (+somewhat unconsistent and need a lot of care (plastic sheets, cleaning and whatnot) to sustain its properties in the thousands of hours needed to gain a proper skill level). Videos of me playing are on my channel.
I think you should focus on developing a solid technique base first, and then move on to a faster blade (e.g., a 7-ply all-wood or a 5+2 composite blade). Then, once you reach the equivalent of a USATT ~1800 rating, you can start thinking of tweaking your rubbers. Blades have much greater impact than boosting.
@@ThePongProfessor this is why I dont want to change my blade for at least the first two years of me playing.
Not a bad idea
@@ThePongProfessor Thanks for replying way back. I have kept to the same blade now for around 15 months, the Stiga Offensive Classic. I decided about half year ago to try Yasaka Rakza Z on forehand. It works great with this blade and I dont have to think about boosting. I have allready researched and bought a blade that I want to try next, the Avalox P500. It is very similar in construction to the one I got, but people online seem to like it way more. My rating has not gone up from 1000 (Norway), but my coach is pointing out noticable improvements every month. I lose a lot of matches from the lack of experience and tactical ability. I am not adaptable to different playing styles yet. Do you think its a mistake to change to the Avalox P500 before having played two years with the one I got like I planned, seeing as it is slightly faster (Stiga OC sits right in the middle of ALL+ and OFF-, AVX P500 is OFF-)? Most people comment that the Avalox blade has much better control and I am wondering if the way the blade performs more consistently may help me. BUT, and this is a big BUT, I wonder if this legendary Avalox blade only has great reviews because the reviews are old, and that the standard for table tennis blades has increased over the years.
@@z0uLess Hey - I haven't tried the Avalox myself, but as a general observation, I will say that you should not expect major jumps in ratings BECAUSE of equipment changes. Personally, I play +/- 50 rating points of my level irrespective of the equipment that I am using. Yes, you should try different equipment to find setups that you "like". If you have more fun playing, you are more likely to play more, try more, and THEREBY become better. I think the Avalox 500 will be a very modest change. Have you considered trying a blade that has a different composition. The Stiga/Avalox have a relatively unusual composition, that is, koto - spruce - ayous - spruce - koto. If I was use, I would consider trying a 5-ply or thin 7-ply blade that has a limba/ayous construction as they offer more feeling, which is beneficial for developing players.
Hellow, what thickness is this?
2.15 mm
Overall FTL a good booster?
It's ok. Haifu's are better.
It takes already a week of playing to even get the true feel of the rubber because it’s not broken in so these aren’t that accurate
Was this a blind test?
Partially. For the first 1-2 sessions I did not know which was which, but then in order to keep track and organize my thoughts, I had to take note of what I was testing.
Hello, i use 2 layers of haifu national yellow seamoon without glue layer, on 2.15 39 non neo, and this is has very low throw angle, many balls in the net, i use this on lin Gaoyuan has lower throw angle than vis, so in last video about third boost layer, u say, u would use this with 3 layers, so what time before every layer u will wait, and i think maybe i will try use this with regular seamoon 2 layers 50/50, with national yellow seamoon it has less tacky, less mushy, so it hard to use versus long pips, and high humidity in court, so sad ( but awesome feeling, i think this booster made for national 3 hurricanes with more level of tackiness, for less this tackiness in game, we know they play every day new rubber, so anyway, thank you, in future i will try kailin too
I think yellow nat haifu seamoon, will good with neo version, but neo versions take water in high humidity courts, so its not for me, but u can try neo version, it has higher throw angle, used it on dhs3 hurricane neo orange 2.15 40.
After four training its very good, need time for less hardness of sponge, good booster recommend!
Kailin is a fun booster. Have you watched part 3 of this series? I explained how long I waited after applying the third layer.
I like the lower throw angle as I simply can adjust the bat angle myself. The shots are more dangerous this way, I think.
Cool
Is boosting legal?
No, boosting is not legal. However, ITTF's boosting rule is also not enforceable (except for boosted rubbers exceeding 4.0 mm - there are no ways to tell if a rubber is boosted).
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How will I buy these not in stock bruh.......
i just play it unboosted
h3 boosted is just way different. + booster is so nice for amateurs who pay for everything from their pockets, i.e. it allows to rejuvenate old rubbers, a $20 bottle of booster is enough to prolongates ~ 6 rubbers life for like 1 extra year (1 layer boosting done every 3 months) => with average h3 $25/rubber price you'd save ~$150...
@@andreika6681 yes but i like the mega control i have when is unboosted , i have a really powerful forehand and with the rubber unboosted i still have a very fast and spinny stroke ,
Yeah, there is a strong financial incentive to boost.
Yup. One needs a fast swing though to maximize power.
And why not comparison about how long its playable...?
The explanation is a very pragmatic one. The booster effect is likely to last at least 3-4 weeks, which corresponds to a minimum of 20 hours of playtime. Six boosters plus one control --> at least 120 hours of playtime. I play roughly 6-8 hours per week at the moment. To discuss longevity of booster effects competently would take half a year at least. I have way too much equipment to test, which is why I rarely comment on longevity (except if I play with a blade/rubber myself).
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It is quite annoying for the eyes of the watcher
Thank you
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