Hunters have never been Crazier in SOD - Season of Discovery - Wow Classic - Hunter discussion
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- Got idea to make this video while watching another content creator
• How to Optimize Ranged...
here's a great video about Ranged hunters for those who want ranged hunter content!
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we are the most nerfed class. every week we get a new nerf
Yet you just got buffed
Ranged hunters are in a bad spot because blizzard is trying to FORCE hunters into melee.
All they need to do to fix ranged hunter is give serpent sting rap scaling and traps rap scaling. It's damage over time, the healthiest pvp damage in the game. Then lower the chimera shot damage gained from serpent sting to be about even with to what it is now.
How can it be done?
Serpent spread gives serpent sting rap scaling as well
Trap launcher gives fire traps rap scaling as well.
Melee hunter does not use these runes so their damage is not effected.
Then they can also make sniper training have 3 second grace period and also effect auto attack (again, its damage over time, not burst, and shares rune with serpent spread)
Buffing ranged hunter without making it stupid in pvp (as if there isn't 8 other classes with something stupidly strong in pvp right now...) is not hard. The devs are keeping ranged weak to try and force melee. They did the same thing in legion.
Absolutely correct- look at the tier bow in gnomer- St? Yea.. that's pushing a class. And pushing it where it obviously doesn't want to go. If I wanted to play a melee class I would play rogue.
Agree - and melee hunter is dumb as f imo
If blizzard is struggling with balancing ranged for PVP and PVE then they need to simply think harder, and be more creative. The melee hunter spec is the ultimate meme - it's not interesting or skill based, BM melee is even worse, and it's only fun when you mash two buttons see some crtis for the first time and then quickly get bored of it. It's bad and tbh fucking lazy. I feel like this is reflected in the community too... people don't really like it, they are just not that many hunters around any more. Melee hunter just feels like a bad version or rogue or warrior, not the unique and fun physical ranged class it should be. I like that melee is an option, but it should not be the only PVE option, that sucks for the players, it sucks for the community and it's lazy.
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I mained a warrior for years back when I used to play wow some 17 years ago and never played a caster or range class seriously and finally decided to come back to wow in SOD and play a ranged class and then the meta became melee, so I dropped a good amount of gold switching over and was op for a couple weeks till the rune nerf came in but still doing more damage than i ever was with with ranged. I guess my warrior brain has kicked in and I love melee as I can just hit two buttons and out dps my friends but if ranged got to the same dps as melee I would def switch back as i played this class for a reason, to be ranged.
great comment! i mean here's my opinion, but melee hunter is really fun which is a big W but the real question is how can you make hunter fun/viable but also ranged and I dunno how that works lol - i wish i was smarter and could just come up with it, but it's a real discussion and i hope discussions like this can make that happen in SoD
The melee stuff is fun sometimes....I mean let's face it, a hunter in WoW of the past doing anything melee wise was just useless. But to have ranged hunters be so much lower on the dps scale compared to a melee hunter is ridiculous. I personally prefer to play ranged, if I wanted to be a melee class I would have been a rogue or warrior. I've always thought a hunter should be able to be competent in both melee and range style play. It just sucks to see such a difference between the two. I feel like hunters have always been Blizzards "red-headed stepchild", but that's just me.
i got a crapload of gear in gnomeregan yesterday, the mekka fist, gloves with + wep skill and neck and I feel like im dealing insane damage in pve/pvp with the STV bow.
in STV events its a lot of fun to be melee with some longrange possibilities.
The problem is that we need some kind of proc on auto shot for an instant aimed shot , like mages have for pyro after 2 crits.
We also need a steady that doesn't clip your autoshoot or a steady shot that deals a significant amount of damage.
And in complement , a better scaling for shoots like arcane shot , the sting or traps. Like converting part of AP into spell damage , or just scaling everything on AP. Because a dot that inflicts 200 damage over 21 sec ... Let's say that other classes dot deal 200 every 3 sec.
And here you have , you have a fun and viable spec. Of course I don't have any idea what % should be that instant aimed shot proc , or what the damage calculation for steady shot should be.
Even as a melee hunter I use chimera shot for the mana drain or the disarm, people just focus your pet down which is why I also pvp in surv, mm is best for kiting and resetting basically the best for kiting melee but gets shit on by ranged because they don't do enough dage through the damage reduction most ranged classes have
maybe they give a rune to use shields, change feint to a taunt and finally do the hunter tank thing? supposedly hunters were gonna get buckler originally...rogue too apparently, surprised they didn't try going that route for rogue tanks now
Sniper Training works exactly how the rune says it works. Where did you get the 15 seconds? Previous retail versions of it?
the rune is Copy paste from Wotlk but the 15 sec part so its a USELESS rune in pvp and pve.. yeah yeah after u clear the raid couple times yeah yeah after memorizing every thing with pixel perfect play u may get use out of it but why ? why not just add the same shit Complete ? like i dont get it its just 10% mean while mages get Burnout 15% ez clap
Buff steadshot dmg and reduce its cast time to like 0.5sec or something and it could help alot
I feel that the SoD devs are trying to bring the retail mentality of everyone having DPS parity, except they didn't think through the implications. Classic was clearly designed in such a way that some classes brought way more utility than others and the classes that brought little just did insane sustained dps (rogue specifically but also warrior). Now the community seems to want to cherry pick retail so we have hunters, hybrids, casters, all demanding warrior DPS but they want to keep all their utility, levelling perks, farming perks on top of it. Blizz should probably go ahead and give melee a load of later expansion utility, AoE, self-healing if we are going down this path.
that was exactly why classes were a thing, each class had its special thing to bring to the table, some more OP than others but ALL needed to clear content
Been playing lone wolf MM build in PVP the whole week. Its insane, I laughed so hard when i saw the chimera shot buff lol I was already hitting over 1.2k crits on clothies.
yes ppl are sleeping on ranged, the dmg on avg is low cause the better players switched to melee cause its a bit op atm. but once you min/max ranged and have good gear it gets really strong
@@user-yo3cg9ev8y still no where near as strong though
@@0ihatetrolls01 ye melee still better even after ranged buffs but I don't like melee so I'll stick with ranged
Link logs or trolling 😊
also shamans got 2 buffs for total of 50% dmg increase
BM in TBC was the most fun I had with hunter in all xpacs, I wish they would buff steady shot
Because the pet was the real hero?
Hunter sign up on a pug as "RANGE dps" will got ignore by people now, wich is not realy great experience
im stop raid on this phase as hunter
ouch this is true! just know i'm a big fan of range huner nad prefer it over melee, this is just my thoughts on what's going on!
People are way overly snobby about forming groups to clear easy content.
@@253Monty completely agree for the raid content, my guild is pretty casual and would not mind if i would go ranged hunter, but its still shitty that ranged is so much worse than melee. especially that ranged is a bit more fun rotation wise. ive always been a melee player in wow in general. mainly playing warrior and rogue but melee hunter is so fucking boring.
@@253Monty this is the worst part of sod tbh
Just make the group yourself and it's not a problem :)
im a causal player that is back playing from MoP and im purple/orange parsing on every boss in SoD so far, so saying that ranged hunter is less causal is laughable. As a ranged DPS you can literally stand still half of every fight in gnomer.
i ofc agree with most of yr argumentation, but i have to wonder where pvp balance is concerned, why fire mage, shadow piest and warlock to a degree is as powerful as they are. they are ranged as well, with cc, last stand abilities aso. im not sure a sp has been balanced around pvp like a ranged hunter has... trying to balance pve classes in a pve game around a token pvp aspect is like a gambler chasing the big win with his rent money. its futile and selfdestructive.
they should just make a pvp aura instead, where all classes abilities get rebalanced when they enter pvp aura. that way, they could actually balance it.
Just make aimed shot ramp up dmg, for each you land on the same target. you never land 3+ aimed on the same target it pvp
Hunter !! The Only! the One! class has
no healing spell,
no defense spell,
full cycle dots damage (Serpent sting 210 dmg w 15s) = other class 1tick dot damage
and they main damage spell (Chimera Shot)with my lv40 bis gun doing 300 dmg per shot (noncrit)
In pvp scenario, when i facing a Spriest, they can just cast 2 dots on me(Void Plague 200+/per tick, Pain 100+/per tick) and Homunculi, then Dispersion laugh and watch me die.
They should have buffed steady shot instead of chimera shot
lack of short cd shots spells is the reason why mm hunter is bad. Devs have no idea how hunter works
They should make Beast Mastery Rune' a button... It would be way better for gameplay
Agreed
ye ranged is weaker atm but imo ppl are sleeping on it because melee is op,
once you get the gear right runes and talents and start to min/max you dmg gets really good.
im doing 350-400 dps in gnome surpassing melee or at least keeping it close, plus you have insane AOE potential with explosive shot trap launcher volley multi shot, im keeping up with mages warlocks etc in aoe trash pulls, + you never run out of mana becaus of aspekt of the viper wich is op.
i already use chimera shot and explosive for aoe so i am excited for the buffs :)
I feel all you can do for ranged is increase base dps Ranged weapons, but of course like you stated will just amp them in pvp to much.
yeah i agree, i dunno what the solution is because classic is supposed to be a balance on pvp, so how can you really make it work?
@Naturetvz they do what they did with the misdirect rune for rogues, 10 seconds cd in PvE and 1 minute in PvP.
They can buff pve damage.
I think maybe a quiver that can only be used in raid. Some sort of raid quest. Only if the damage difference stays the same all the way through.@@Naturetvz
wouldnt buffing Aimed shot like a real Buff fix this ? 3 sec cast no matter the damage wont break PVP if a guy get hit by that it his own fault in pvp and meanwhile makes them ok in pve if they buff it real good !@@Naturetvz
If they rework sniper training like this or similar it could work: If you standing still for 4s you will get 5s buff of crit increase and in addition if you cast aimed shot when buff is active then every NEXT aimed shot(if buff is up so you have to stand still another 4s for refresh buff) will be instant cast. This will do dps boost in PvE cuz can make sniper buff up most of time but in PvP you cant easily stand still for 4s to activate sniper buff then cast 3s and make another sniper training tick for next instant cast. Thoughts?
I'm lvling my hunter and I want to try survival in STV so bad 😂
You'll ignore this. You'll laugh. But we're coming. Spellpower hunter is real, it's performing very well on armor, and we are coming for those parses. The hunter discord knows.
If we were to forced to play as bm / melee hunters we'd need more buttons worth pressing. It's honestly so boring right now playing hunter in pve. I mean they could buff trueshot aura and stuff I guess and also give BM spec some kind of cleave I guess. I was really looking up for melee weaving as both BM and SV specs this phase, but guess not. Idk about the sp hunter thing might have to hop in the boat...Good vids as always!
I play marks in PvP and PvE, always do well in raids and the toolkit in PvP is way fun. I have never been about meta each to their own but it just sounds boring. I'm happy where marks is and I think people would complain if it were any better in PvP which will lead to a nerf again.
Duelspec would be good to bridge gaps but people shouldn't have to feel like they have to play meta either.
Give me the BC disengage in P3 and I'll be a happy man
As a casual player new to the game, the complete inviability of ranged hunter as a PvP class massively reduces my enjoyment of the game, can't do anything solo without being killed by almost any class on the map at will. Thats not even taking the PvP events into consideration. Ranged hunter doesn't need to be as good as Melee but the gap needs to be closed so its atleast viable compared to other ranged classes.
how come the enraged pet can kill you in 0.3sec
Partly true. Marks isn't as strong in pvp as mage, warlock, boomy, or spriest. We are almost last in ranged pvp as well.
I mean... theres only one single option right now. You go full Survival, stack Agi as much as you can. Put Beast Mastery on Gloves, Flanking strike on legs, Lion on chest, and 2 runes for melee.
I have tested All mellee variasions on mobs in Feralas. 4h per test. BM gives u HP regen and more agro on mobs, but Survival just kills faster, its just faster. Sometimes difference is 100 dps.
According to sims BM melee hunter is the way to go against single target bosses.
Not surv, it's BM
1:arcane shot ,mongoose bite and trap damages needs to be redesign
2:sniper training 6 sec needs down to 3 sec
3:aspect of the lion needs to be a skill book ability
4:Bm tree needs to be redesign
All of this...
While Melee Hunter does great dmg - the rotation is mind-numbingly boring - especially after the nerf.
prenerf and post nerf rotation are exactly the same for mele hunter........ @@sniperdps
Nope. I played Survival/Lone Wolf with Carve. Now you gotta run BM rune on your gloves. And yes, the rotation was already boring before the nerf. I really would like to see something interesting around Mongooste Bite. @@Average1212
How does this change anything in terms of gameplay? Instead of Carve you now press Wingclip when there is nothing else to press. Not saying it is not boring, it is just not more or less boting than before
im a damn hunter RANGER why have i play malee blizzar ? i have a rogue a warrior already..... no sense, its necesary to change lot of runes like Sniper how LK u cant wait 6 sec and move and erase.. its necesary buff "any" ranger MM specc or reduce time cast of Aimed or Cast while move.. something like that
You can still play ranged? Not hard.
How can you say ranged hunter is good in the STV event? You Immediately get deleted. Even if you manage to stay alive , you can pump 2 chimeras a multi and an aimed shot with all of the autos in between into any class except hunter and they'll still walk away fine.
I think you might be doing it wrong. Lone wolf MM hunter absolutely deletes people in pvp. With traps and scatters you can be pretty evasive vs the melee classes. 2 chimes an aimed and a multi and 4 autos I'm killing someone for sure, probably 2 people if I get some crits.
well let's be real, STV in phase 2 most ppl get deleted instantly so having a range avantage is pretty good tbh.
- obviously there's sooooo many scenarios where i'm wrong but there's soooo many too where it's good, current STV is jut a kill fest tbh.
what game are you playing? i am literally shredding clothies to pieces and i dont even have the epic gun
its not about classic, this is seasonal game sod. warrior is broken for 20 years already but ppl like them instead of hate. also i did not see any videos why warlock tank is accepted and mage healer but not hated as new class melee hunt
I think having a melee hunter spec is awesome, but it feels bad to not have the option to roll MM. MM bringing trueshot aura also feels nice too. In an ideal world all 3 specs are viable in their own right.
BM is good for more casual players, and less geared players. BM melee or BM mm, doesn’t matter the pet is doing at least half the damage anyways.
SV is great for melee but I think it would also be cool to see a trap build somehow work. SV also scales higher with stronger gear (the agi thing for example).
MM brings an aura and is a different play style.
I think Hunter being the only pure damage class definitely is something that sucks because at the end of the day the community hates to see us win (top damage meters). I will say though, I’ve found going BM to be very useful with my raid going 1-7-2 in raids. Legit just have the pet as OT. You’d think it would be a problem but with over 4k hp and over 3k armor the pet is pretty strong- and this is just a cat.
You can just go MM anyways and you will probably still do way more damage as a melee hunter.
@@ForbiddenFollyFollower thats not true at all have you played both specs on decent level? melee hunter just does more damage with or without pet than ranged hunters, ranged hunter abilities have no new runes this phase besides the belt rune, and mabey if you count the abilty to put some aoe traps down in trash pulls.
To make you feel a tiny bit less useless as MM you could just add roughly 80 DPS to your own. That is about the amount 4 other melee dps will gain with trueshot... You are stilles dogshit spec but you are 80 dps less dogshit than your own logs :D
@@smeerdonder I meant you could be MM and a melee hunter at the same time and still do well lol.
Trap launcher is a menace in bg's im sure you guys love it but i hate it as warrior main
oh man trap launcher with frost trap + entrapment is sooooo good, great comment
All this would be avoided by adding a scope engineering recipe (requires: hunter) that does massive dmg procs to mechs. ??
And if they wanna PvP we just get cucked?
you'll never get me to play melee hunter, im parsing 90+ across the board in Gnomer atm as MM, shit aint changing son. Gnomer is already melee heavy and a lot of groups are begging for ranged, Blizz gonna have to keep buffing ranged hunter (true hunter) or its gonna get worse in later phases.
LOL i would never want you to do that!!! infact im a fan of Ranged hunter over melee, this is more pointing out why i think SoD hunter is the way it is!
and tbh i hope im wrong and ranged just is king later and is very good in pve and pvp!
It really is dumb that melle hunter is alot better for damage
Your parse is based off of other ranged hunters. But either way I’m with you range over all!!
I like ranged over melee but I'm enjoying melee. Idk why ppl are so hesitant to give it a try. I guess boomers are just stuck in their old ways...
@@DadGamer247 I rolled my hunter to be a ranged character because it's extremely easy to play. I main warrior and get my melle fix in on that toon.
Or they should just add more damage to wing clip
trap launcher is the single best rune in the whole game
Not really lmfaoooo, blizzard gave everyone a trinket now to just trinket our traps. Yea I can launch a trap on u after scatter but then u instant trinket. Now wtf so we do.
@@NaChTViZIoNGAMING not sure if you know this, but you have more than one trap and entrapment works on all of them. also the cooldown of trinket is 5 mins. ive played this game for 20 years in been in many competitive wsg tourneys, this is the best skill in the game.
@@zednotzee2070 the trinket is a 2 min cd… and can break every form of cc. I play in the most competitive guild for wsg in sod atm. And we won the wsg tourny don’t tell me what I don’t know lmfao. With faps and a two min cd we have nothing but scatter which is a joke rn
@@zednotzee2070 what wsg tournys have you been in btw just curious
@@NaChTViZIoNGAMING kiddo, I cant tell if you are trolling or just stupid. I feel like you arent even rank 5. Based off your dogmatic response I am going to assume you are trolling me. There has only been 1 tourney that mattered and you werent there
Your mage argument does not apply since most mages play fire or arcane In pvp anyways, you almost never see frost mages anywhere
PVP isnt meant to be easy, playing against Hunters was always hard and it MADE you get better at your class to beat them.
People now just want to win and feel powerful without the hard work
i'd say hunters have it great in terms of runes.
Rogues on the other hand....
Current melee hunter style is so boring man. No big crits since the nerf feels terrible. We need more changes
I agree with most of this, but look at ret pallets and shadow priests, they made their pve damage relevant and now they are completely broken in pvp. I prefer a ranged build as a hunter and won’t ever play a mele spec couldnt care less about pve in SOD. BM is a scrub spec for noob hunter players but unfortunately it’s the only chance you have at beating a priest or warlock right now.
What drugs are you on bro? 😂
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Ranged hunter bronke in pvp ? Dude pls.... ? Looks SPS, Boomys, Shamans, ONESHOT MAGE's and Rogues... WTF man
nerf shamans hf
I unsubbed until range is fixed, and priests are brought back down to reality in pvp.spriest is completely broken and they are not addressing that, so 20% buff to hunters.
You know streamers and twich hunters have a responsebility to reach out to blizz and make this shit show to stop :) And big LOL having to change runes and hop trough loops to "parse" who da fuk want that...and care about doing higher damage on trash in raids...
I'm poppin 1.4-1.6k aimed shots and 900+ chims and 1.2k+ multis in pvp atm, but it do be failin in pve
U poppin Bullshit .. Pretending ur Autos doing 1k dmg.
Unfortunately ranged hunters are too good and PVP if they buffed them too much I would one shot everything
Bump post for the jq
yes, hitting 3 buttons as a melee hunter is less skillful than hitting 3 buttons as a ranged hunter......
The ranged hunter rotation on gnomes mechanics has an insane skill cap to keep up with...you actually have to be thinking. Melee hunter you literally press ONE button. If you're not using macros GL lol
@@KevNCarpentry that's a simpleton view.
Second
BM hunter pet just wrecking cloth classes. Still hunters complains!
well thats the problem, we are forced to buff out pets to do damage we just want ourself to do decent and our pets to be somewhat off an assistant in pve content and mabey a bit anoying as range but not be our overwelming damage, i mean i played hunter on classic just before tbc launched and my pet could solo almost 3 people with beast mastery end talent, but if a rogue of warrior could get on me i was useless. the power is put to much in the pet and not in the player. i mean you have some controll over pet but not as much as over your own character and its not much fun in general to have the pet do everything. i kinda get your comment of "still hunters complain" if you play another class but think from a hunter perspective its like we are the pet and the pet is the player..
Nobody wants to play shitty BM SPEC. we are forced to do so
Arcane shot, serpent sting and traps need to scale. Hunter scaling is just going to get worse and worse as gear scales. Also arcane mages, shamans, shadow priests are dominating PvP and they do good in PvE. Even moonkins are decent at both.
Balancing a PvE game around pointless PvP
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Please kill the music. I couldn't finish the video because of it. Super annoying.
Good content, horrible background music. Only managed to stay for half the video...
really? you only need 1 tranq. shot? in vanilla it was 2 in both Molten Core and blackwing lair and sometimes you would need backups in case they missed, which happened occasionally, our casual guild ran 4-6 hunters and we cleared stuff just fine.
Melee hunter is garbage! both in playstyle and now in damage too. You wanna play a mail wearing melee class? go play Enhancement shaman. Raptor strike and wing clip used to be meme abilities you would only ever use if someone go to close to you and then you'd run away in order to shoot them down. I remember one of the demons for the level 60 hunter quest was vulnerable to wing clip and raptor strike, it was such a meme that you melee it down in Vanilla wow, but thatd what I did. the one in winterspring took extra damage frrom serpent sting and the Silithus one hit like a wet noodle if you applied scorpid string to it. But I get it, this quest wanted you to use certain abilities to defeat the bosses but the Ungoro one was such a meme taking extra damage from wing clip and raptor strike.
The retail survival spec is an abomination. I used to play ranged survival in vanilla and it was one of the most fun specs I've ever played. at 60 you'd go 0/21/30 to get scattershot from the MM tree rather than Wyvern sting. it was a high damage spec. Not as high damage as warriors of course, but warriors were broken.
bullshit
Melee hunter is so fun, even back in the day I tried to force a melee hunter class fantasy and now I get to play it viably.