People have been complaining they can't see time stamps.....I see them on my screen when I hover over the bar and the chapters are in the description so who knows...but if you cba scrolling down to the description they are here aswell: Chapters 0:00:00 Intro 0:00:56 Warrior 0:12:36 Warlock 0:25:00 Shaman 0:34:00 Rogue 0:46:00 Priest 0:59:20 Paladin 1:07:00 Mage 1:18:14 Hunter 1:31:48 Druid I was going to edit out the bit about warriors getting single minded fury early...but you know what? I'm still hopeful that dual wield is not going to be level 20 the same way I am hopeful rogues will start with dual wield instead of waiting until level 10.....Lets wait and see
No timestamps on 1h34min long video? 😕 That is kinda... erm.. bad idea? Losing views just by that, when people come to check out exact classes and can't click to them right away, some will just just click off the video.
Anybody else watching every single SoD class guide and still don't know what to play? Edit: was going Fire Mage and changed my mind to Feral Cat with 38 minutes remaining. Have fun everyone!
This is by far the best video about WoW SoD classes to date!! Explained simply and thoroughly. Did not feel like a longer video at all (time flew by). Great job!!
Many seem to dislike that many abilities are limited to the group and not the raid, but I think that is very in the spirit of classic and it makes playing SoD raids feel very different in terms of positioning. Groups have more meaning in Raids and you want to stick with your group.
Most fights you just melee stack ranged stack and press 1 button anyways. Shamans are gonna be nutty busted raid healing with HR, riptide, Chain heal, AND AG
You did such a good job explaining the classes I am having an even harder time deciding what to play. And it's a couple of days away from launch. I won't be sleeping well, let me tell you that much. Thanks for the pain!
Thank you for saying no one knows! I'm sick of reading everyone argue about what is going to be the best. We only know 3 of the 9 runes for EACH class. We have no idea about anything past that. Play what you think you will enjoy and have fun.
@@robertp457you must not play much of world of warcraft if you don't know how much those added abilities made ret paladins the best melee DPS in pvp and pve in wrath LOL
@@ihatesnickersTSD Are you over the age of 18? Do you have a job? I’m willing to put money on the table that says they won’t be either of the top 2 DPS.
Same here. I was full of plans with different classes and builds, but now I'm not even sure about the faction also. I think, I'll roll a dice tomorrow and start something randomly. :)
34:55 rogues being dodge tanks has been a sentiment for literal ages due to how Evasion (the ability) lets you actually emergency tank for a certain amount of time. The idea has floated around ever since DKs and then Monks were added and were primarily dodge-based tanks, not to mention druids ability to emergency tank in bear form since vanilla.
I just noticed, the lifebloom rune doesnt mention a target limit. So it sounds like it can be spammed around on anyone, and getting half the mana back from every cast eventually it sounds really mana efficient
With half the cost refunded and the cost being 28% base (475tauren 479 NE) bloom will effectively cost about 67 mana and scales very well with plusheal which at least resto will very much want as prio stat.
Fantastic video. Thanks for going into each one, especially for those of us returning like myself. I haven't played since WotLK. Quite excited! You earned my subscription and like. Also, I am from Iowa and seeing the Hawkeyes hat was cool. An Iowa State Cyclones hat would be much better though. :P
Quick Strike is crazier than it looks I think. From the tooltip, you should be able to stack it with HCS (macro HCS before QS). Meaning white hits will never be eaten by heroic strike, and you keep gaining more rage. Stack it with the 20% attack speed from the other rune and flagellation... Now we're cooking. That said I'm still going paladin first. All specs look like bangers and I cant wait to see what runes we will get down the line.
yeah, you've completely misunderstood how that mechanic functions. QS gains the bonuses and benefits that apply to HS. you won't be able to HS a QS and not use rage. QS would hit instantly and possibly reset your swing timer (or not) either way the HS will just trigger on the following auto.
Single minded fury would probably be a lvl 20 rune seeing as that's the earliest warriors get dual wielding.. Also would make sense since most classes get their big movement increases at lvl 20 (hunter cheetah, druid cat form, shaman spirit wolf and so on)
100% what i'm running is single minded fury ( two sharpening stones with 2% hit each like come on you cant play anything else) I'll also pick up blood frenzy and consumed by rage. talents will spec down to deep wounds only 1 point and rest into crit from the fury tree. Attack rotation will be super boring you just auto attack till 80 rage then dump rage, use overpower whenever you can, execute on the sims are also a dps loss. This sims around 200 dps in pre raid bis. Other spec / talents only get around 150-160 best sim.
@@rotking1 That's exactly the build i was gonna do on warrior. I think spam rending every mob will be beneficial since you lose 10 rage but gain 15 when it ticks, maybe you use rend 2-3 times at the start so you dont make getting to 80 rage slower and then u pump
I'm gonna be a warlock because that was what I picked the first time I played WoW. The lore around locks in Classic was crazy good. Also, sounds like the Master Channeler rune is going to work like Siphon Life.
1:25:29 DOnt you think hunter will have to use Aspect of the Lion on raid and dungeon otherwise it will be remove from group/raids ? I like idea of lonely wolf rune on raid and dungeon
A note for Aspect of the Lion, it will have use for ranged, not just melee - specifically in PvP. Here you often won't have Blessing of Kings, so it is straight up 20% to stamina, agility and strength (the last is useful because even as a ranged hunter, in PvP you will sometimes end up in melee for a bit). Even the extra mana from 20% increased intellect is somewhat useful in PvP. Honestly, I don't see much reason to pick anything else for PvP regardless of build. Especially 0,since Lone Wolf was nerfed, so the Shadowmeld > Aimed Shot meme build won't really be as compelling. Cobra Shot and Master Marksman just pales in comparison, one relying on crit that is extremely low at lvl 25, the other being 5% crit and some mana efficiency (20% agility, more mana and a huge health boost seems way stronger in PvP).
Great hat! Go Hawks! ---Wasn't expecting that voice to be a hawkeye fan didn't notice until an hour in because I was listening to this while in game lol
sweet old mangle... oww how i love that skill. i was thinking wich one to pick first but that seals it all. i have been a druid main for 17 years now and discovery is not gonna change that now !
Someone said this earlier, so ill say it as well. The PvP community is spreading the message "All Megaserver enjoyers, roll on the alphabetically first PvP server in your regions listing" Spread the message!
Shive tremendously vital. I remember Druids in TBC arena trying desperately to shapeshift and run away from my Rogue. It also allows you to have crippling poison on offhand and saving mainhand slot for another poison. Too bad Shadowstep was not in their plans. Hunters and Frost Mages are PITA in Vanilla.
Aspect of Lion makes alot of sense for melee hunter. Since you will be doing melee damage you get 20% more strength which is pretty huge. On top of that you get 20% more stamina which will be alot more useful as a melee spec since its always more dangerous to be near bosses (mostly in lvl 60 raids) than standing as a ranged dps so it makes sense for them to get more melee AP more HP, from the extra AGI they still get more armor,dodge and also Crit.
keep in mind that at level 60, 100% of your base mana is 1093 mana. so for 15% with prayer of mending, for example would be 163 mana. base mana spells are tuned to be super cheap atm. at level 25 chaos bolt costs 15 mana, and incinerate costs 30 mana vs shadowbolt being 110 mana at lvl 25. thats a big difference
With Warrior - imo they are going to balance a lot of the runes to somewhat force certain runes for certain playstyles... the Thunder Clap legs "should" be the best Tank legs for example. I could see them tweaking the numbers to ensure they are all used... and probably pretty quickly since the server will have tons of players with lots of data coming in to help them decide how to balance things.
Ashamed to admit I had never heard of you or your channel until I saw you recently on a podcast with Crix, but I'm glad I did. If this video is a any example of your regular content then I'm sure I'll be back often for SOD info. You have a very comfortable and conversational style to your presentation and the info you gave out here was obviously well thought through and cohesive. Also, being a yank I dig the accent 😜
Raging Blow might be a great pick with Consumed By Rage, if there is no internal cool down for the latter. Permanent Enrage by pooling rage and unleashing raging blows at 100% weapon damage every 8 seconds
going for meele bm hunter with aspect of the lion, flanking strike and beast mastery. Considering they add scaling for pets this makes aspect of the lion even greater for this build, i am hyped :)
will this work? i know since they added specializations later on where you chance your spec it changes your move sets. but since its the old talent system idk if anything changes and the hunter has access to all abilities just need to train for it at the class trainer.
I am pretty stoked to try a paladin. Been maining a priest and warrior when Classic released. Managed to get a Thunderfury as well. Who knows Pala's end up getting them once they are available? Either way I am sure we'll all have a great time!
tbh on druid... the free wrath is an easy switch out on healer. If you arent running rigorous content, its great to enable healers to "wand" like priests do for no mana cost, speeding up the run slightly if you do not need the bonus living seeds
One thing to consider for ele dps is late game majority of your spell dmg is coming from your weapons. You could dual wield spell dmg weapons and also benefit from the 5% hit. Maybe they introduce enough items for casters to get to hit cap, but if they don't I'm willing to bet this is the way.
I was one of those Shamans who leveled by tanking. I tanked all dungeons from WC to BRD, it was doable - In some cases with some healers it was even faster than warriors because priests could shield us, and totems really gave out great bonuses to the whole group. I'm thinking that now shaman tank has the chance to be MT in raids, I'm def going to level as Shaman tank again.
@@PendlayRoeyep now that we have death Knights there won't be a tank shortage. Is there going to be a bunch of people Rollin those classes and then when you start actually needing them to take nobody is going to do it same as always
this is vanilla. we don’t have death knights bro. now that we have more than prot warrior and buff bot pala and.. prot warrior as a main tank spec you’ll see more tanks than ever. it’s not that people hate tanking it’s that people hate being bound to one class and spec if they want to main tank for their guild
After watching the ENTIRE video: I dont think Blizzard went "Yea rogues wanted to tank!" They wanted to have a parry tank, a healing tank and a caster tank. And they just thought it fits best on Rogue, Warlock and Shaman.
I am waiting or there to be a way to macro change the runes, then you could macro to change the weapon rune to the run speed one and weapon swap with the macro for when you need to run around, then macro swap back to victory rush when you go to pull the next mob.
I guess the reason for some of their designdecisions will become apparent once you start playing e.g. why the warlocks taunt isnt curse of weakness: So you can actually apply it to multiple targets instead of once per 10 sec, also you dont wanna taunt everytime you wanna apply it while being the Offtank etc. Same goes for Rogue, they might not want to have a class with such a strong mobility spell like shadowstep, instead they make it cost them an important cd and therefor giving them a decision to make: Use a defensiv spell (vanish) in order to be able to teleport to a target. Else they would outperform other classes too strong in the mobility department, its not retail where everyone has something to use
A "Small" note about Druids Wild Strikes Rune, it is massive for BOTH Horde and Alliance. The key difference is Ferals provide to a chance for extra attack to ALL melee attacks, WF gives for main hand attack. As we all know, druids dont use a main hand attack, their form attacks are not counted as main hand attack, so druids never benefitted from WF. Now they do, and its a gamechanged for feral dps
Doesn't it also mean that alliance and rogues now benefit from windfury? I think that will really shape the meta Are horde getting anything paladin-exclusive to balance out alliance getting windfury?
hi Scottejaye! which class should I take if I prefer a kind of "Shockadin playstyle"? (or which class has the most spontaneous spells?) I last played it in BC and had the most fun with it
On priest - you can't downrank flash heal to proc serendipity in phase 1 because you don't get rank 2 until level 26. Also, you don't have prayer of healing until level 30, making circle of healing the priests only party wide heal (well I guess holy nova). Lots of changes from what works best in P1 to later phases.
the thing about having curse of weakness as taunt would be you wouldn't be able to put it on multiple enemies in quick succession. other than that curse of recklessness causes enemies to not run away, giving it a 2 in 1.
other than rogue tanks which doesnt make any sense at all, rogues are thiefs the last thing they want is aggro, but whats the content? higher level content? but people miss every ability, are there new dungeons?
Those Warrior runes you keep pointing to one rune in each slot. But i see it as more situational. Like you would have a trash rune set up and a boss tank set up. So 2 runes in each slot are best runes based on the situation.
flaggelation is 100% broken when u have berserker's rage and blood thrist, but i feel at 25 the bleeds giving you extra rage is going to be massive. every 9 seconds is a free quick strike and it helps you stay around the 80 rage mark for consistant consumed by rage procs.
@Scottejaye, you make some really good content, amigo. Thanks alot for this summary. There's so much stuff I wanna try out now, even if not seemingly the strongest on paper, most classes should be strong enough in an already fairly easy game unless they really tune up the new content. What do you think about warlock fire tank for tiers beyond the first release? Lake of Fire (+40% fire damage taken) + Metamorphosis + Incinerate (+25% fire damage), add Demonic Sacrifice on imp for another 15% fire damage, then just open with Incinerate -> Rain of Fire for the buffs and watch stuff die. I would imagine this would be fun with Hellfire if you got a solid healer, at least for most instances. Might need some more beef talents and runes once you're up against raid bosses, but the AoE you can put out seems pretty amazing with the right build.
I'm glad the classic team decided to bake in damage to the Shadowstrike ability. It's too good if it doesn't take you out of stealth and lets you follow up with whatever you want as the rogues have such a good open up selection of abilities that it would be OP to just be able to gap close so easily in stealth.
I think Curse of Recklessness was the right choice simply because if the taunt was on say Weakness I think it would just add onto the Warlock becoming literally overpowered as it seems to be a really good tank already if you ask me. So I think it was a balancing-kind of decision. Also, as a Priest main, I agree that Power Word: Barrier should be a raid-wide cooldown for sure!
As someone who has mained hunter from vanilla all the way to WoD then classic, I'm pumped for SoD. However, what I'm quiet curious to see playout is, Aimed Shot in vanilla shared CD with arcane shot. It was later when they changed it to share cd with multi shot. So if I went with explosive shot as the rune, it would mean that aimed shot, arcane shot, and exp shot all share the same CD xD imo that would make expo shot kinda useless. Because aimed shot is the go to spell in rotation for that high dps output in PVE, and in PVP you can one shot someone. That would make chimera shot the go to rune that's for sure. And if that's the case, I just can't wait to have chimera shot with aimed shot and multi shot on my bar. That's gonna be some crazy instant damage with lone wolf and sniper training.
I just had a thought. What if shaman could enchant their shield with things like flame tongue or rock biter. They could make new shield specific shaman enchants.
What about using double instant poison, deadly brew, and running shiv as your builder/envenom as spender? Hrmmm…especially if poisons/wiffy stack now. But yes they’ll have to remove charges from poisons.
Just to say that Ancestral Guidance doesn't say the healing done to the 3 people damages the flame shock target its say 100% of your healing also damages your flameshock target. So you can flameshock someone then spam heals to annihilate them.
Not sure if it's been said, (and I'm not a mage main by any standard) but Arcane Surge is actually an ability from retail/dragonflight. You pretty much get full mana back in seconds, at least with the retail version. Might be better than evocate at level 25. Not sure if mages have evocation at 25 but again, I'm no mage main.
the answer is Paladin. if you want to play the most sought after class for raid groups it will be paladin. now they can do it all tank / dps / heal. the provide buffs, divine sacrifice, and there is reeason to justify bringing multiples. ok it may be cool for rogue to tank or what ever what else is it bringing to the table ? Paladin it dont matter if you love them or hate them you will want at least 3 in your 10 man raid group .
I have an idea for a mage rune something like temporal specialization where you gain a multiplier of 3 for healing gained from temporal beacon (120%) but reduces damage done by 50%. This would mean that you sacrifice half your dps to increase HPS by 50%. This is because if you convert 120% of your dps into hps but have half damage you are up to 60% your original dps (150% your original hps).
man.. i have so many things I want to try.. Might just end up just playing boomkin build Wrath not costing any mana actually really helps with the mana issue that build's stigma of being oomkin. If you go into restoration tree and grab reflection, you basically can just regening mana once you are oom and continue dpsing with wrath till you full mana again. Downside is at 25 you either go into that playstyle but sacrifice the dps talents from balance
Because they added those changes to hunter and druid to compensate for the lack of shamans on ally side and palas on horde, I don't think they would do this but... It'd be cool to get Dwarf and nelf shamans. And Tauren and troll paladins
I'll be honest, I think in the context of Classic Azeroth, only Dwarf shaman makes sense. Troll needs BFA Zandalar, Tauren...has always been a reach. I think Undead should get Paladin.
I had this fun idea of having to play another class to unlock faction only classes. Play an undead priest to 25 and unlock a quest to enhance your martial abilities and convert to a paladin Play a dwarf warrior to 25 unlock quest to enhance your martial abilities and convert to a dwarf shamans
Flagellation is going to be great but maybe less than it seems, in phase 1 before berserker rage anyway. 25% extra damage for 12 seconds each minute is a 5% damage boost overall. Now, you ideally would pool rage before using bloodrage, which will also keep your rage up, and let you do some insane dps for that 12 seconds. You could also use it during execute window making it even better. So for burning a boss down when it’s low it’s going to be insanely good. Also by that point in the fight, tank should have enough threat so that you don’t have to worry about ripping threat. However, over the course of a fight it seems like Blood Frenzy will be super good too. Especially one with adds where you can rend multiple enemies and get more procs. As a tank I would 100% use Warbringer though. Probably in pvp too.
I'm still wondering how it's supposed to work with Warlock Tank.The only value you see so far is pure armor, and an CD with Dodge. You can't block, parry and have no def Rating at all "for now". All you need is a mob that will reduc. your armor as a debuff and your main value is almost gone. I would also be interested to know if Int and SP are somehow designed for defense.
master channeler will be insane at higher levels as you start getting more shadow spell dmg from gear and buffs and such. as it is now drain life at for example lvl 50 deals decent damage (nowhere near shadow bolt of course) and heals you for a decent amount. however the big thing about the current drain life is that a single setback in the cast will obviously shorten the cast and therefore dmg and healing. in SoD as it will be instant cast and function as a DoT/HoT of sorts it will be free from cast setback. it having 50% extra healing will be insane at higher levels where you get siphon life as extra healing. You will basically be invulnerable as long as you cast drain life
arcane surge sounds absolutely nuts in dungeons. almost oom? use it to kill the last enemy of the pack, sit and drink, and you're full in one or two ticks. it should in theory work just like innervate.
Cant wait to play SoD but i am soooo annoyed how tank druids seem to have legs being a completely dead runeslot, and i feel like its so silly that we cant get Mangle and Lacerate as they synergize so well... feel like we are gonna be outperformed by every other tank spec, atleast at level 25 we might just be forced to run around as mobile wf totems for all of the first phase...
If consumed by rage counts as enrage for raging blow then raging blow, victory rush, and consumed by rage will make warrior leveling on par with, if not better than, paladins.
My biggest question is what the BM pet scaling will look like. I really hope that the scaling is good and BM won’t just get overshadowed since pet scaling in vanilla doesn’t exist.
My only comment is they said they were giving Horde pally and alliance shamens, a few weeks ago. Dev stated its because Tauren worship a sungod minor backstory etc. In SoD.
It makes sense for warlock to have their taunt on recklesness for RP reasons. As for if I had to minmax as a dev yeah it should've been on weakness. It's a RPG so it makes sense for taunt to be on reckless
Afaik Everlasting Affliction only gets procced by the individual casts, not the damage-ticks from the gameplay I've seen, so DL would only refresh it at the very start of the 15s window
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People have been complaining they can't see time stamps.....I see them on my screen when I hover over the bar and the chapters are in the description so who knows...but if you cba scrolling down to the description they are here aswell:
Chapters
0:00:00 Intro
0:00:56 Warrior
0:12:36 Warlock
0:25:00 Shaman
0:34:00 Rogue
0:46:00 Priest
0:59:20 Paladin
1:07:00 Mage
1:18:14 Hunter
1:31:48 Druid
I was going to edit out the bit about warriors getting single minded fury early...but you know what? I'm still hopeful that dual wield is not going to be level 20 the same way I am hopeful rogues will start with dual wield instead of waiting until level 10.....Lets wait and see
doing this for your viewers pays off, Scotte
we cannot yes ty
No timestamps on 1h34min long video? 😕 That is kinda... erm.. bad idea? Losing views just by that, when people come to check out exact classes and can't click to them right away, some will just just click off the video.
that's why he made a comment with times. Maybe just thanks him for his work before complaining ? @@DarkInos
i have time stamps tho
Anybody else watching every single SoD class guide and still don't know what to play?
Edit: was going Fire Mage and changed my mind to Feral Cat with 38 minutes remaining. Have fun everyone!
I’m watching every class guide and have known what I want to play as a main and first alt for a while
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Im going mage 100% or maybe warrior, or Druid 🤣
@@kylez9094 I thought I did too but it keeps changing
Watching these despite knowing exactly what classes im gonna play and in what order
This is by far the best video about WoW SoD classes to date!! Explained simply and thoroughly. Did not feel like a longer video at all (time flew by). Great job!!
Many seem to dislike that many abilities are limited to the group and not the raid, but I think that is very in the spirit of classic and it makes playing SoD raids feel very different in terms of positioning. Groups have more meaning in Raids and you want to stick with your group.
Parsing culture is going to ruin this. Just have fun.
Most fights you just melee stack ranged stack and press 1 button anyways. Shamans are gonna be nutty busted raid healing with HR, riptide, Chain heal, AND AG
You did such a good job explaining the classes I am having an even harder time deciding what to play. And it's a couple of days away from launch. I won't be sleeping well, let me tell you that much. Thanks for the pain!
Thank you for saying no one knows! I'm sick of reading everyone argue about what is going to be the best. We only know 3 of the 9 runes for EACH class. We have no idea about anything past that. Play what you think you will enjoy and have fun.
I know what will be the best
no we play the best ret paladin with crusader strike,divine storm and windfury from druids will be the best melee at least.
@@hvdiv17you’ve likely never played a Paladin in classic if you think those couple of changes will make Ret anywhere close to the best DPS in SoD.
@@robertp457you must not play much of world of warcraft if you don't know how much those added abilities made ret paladins the best melee DPS in pvp and pve in wrath LOL
@@ihatesnickersTSD Are you over the age of 18? Do you have a job? I’m willing to put money on the table that says they won’t be either of the top 2 DPS.
Serpent spread also synergizes really well with hunters multishotting to not only break ccs but also prevent ccs
What do u mean why target cant be cced
every video, i become less confident in what I should play. every class seems so strong
Honestly mate i would just play whatever your first instinct was, they will all change soooo much by 60 i wouldnt think about it too much
Same here. I was full of plans with different classes and builds, but now I'm not even sure about the faction also. I think, I'll roll a dice tomorrow and start something randomly. :)
is not possible paladin horde@@Scottejaye
Reckless curse is also very useful in vanilla because mobs love to just run off at low health and pull more groups.
Let’s the DPS locks use different curses also
i just wish it didnt increase the damage the mob deals
It also lets you do the old warlock trick of the fear Yo-Yo.
I think the curse choice for the taunt on warlock's meta was more to give them it at an earlier level.
34:55 rogues being dodge tanks has been a sentiment for literal ages due to how Evasion (the ability) lets you actually emergency tank for a certain amount of time. The idea has floated around ever since DKs and then Monks were added and were primarily dodge-based tanks, not to mention druids ability to emergency tank in bear form since vanilla.
Generally they couldn't actually evasion tank until tbc tho
Big thing is since mist of panderia dodge parry works for range dmg too
Hunters also have high dodge and parry chance
41:09 a wild child appear ! so cute you share your passion with your kid !
Thanks mate very informative, this helped massively.. well, it helped me realise that I still want to main all classes 🤦🏻♂️
Great vid, i love how you edited the abilities and had them on the screen when you were explaining. Cheers!
I think the flavor for warlock taunts being on Rec makes more sense then Weakness imo. thanks for the content.
I just noticed, the lifebloom rune doesnt mention a target limit. So it sounds like it can be spammed around on anyone, and getting half the mana back from every cast eventually it sounds really mana efficient
and youre oom after 3 ;D
With half the cost refunded and the cost being 28% base (475tauren 479 NE) bloom will effectively cost about 67 mana and scales very well with plusheal which at least resto will very much want as prio stat.
Fantastic video. Thanks for going into each one, especially for those of us returning like myself. I haven't played since WotLK. Quite excited! You earned my subscription and like.
Also, I am from Iowa and seeing the Hawkeyes hat was cool. An Iowa State Cyclones hat would be much better though. :P
Quick Strike is crazier than it looks I think. From the tooltip, you should be able to stack it with HCS (macro HCS before QS). Meaning white hits will never be eaten by heroic strike, and you keep gaining more rage. Stack it with the 20% attack speed from the other rune and flagellation... Now we're cooking.
That said I'm still going paladin first. All specs look like bangers and I cant wait to see what runes we will get down the line.
That's not, nor has it ever been, how heroic strike works.
yeah, you've completely misunderstood how that mechanic functions. QS gains the bonuses and benefits that apply to HS. you won't be able to HS a QS and not use rage. QS would hit instantly and possibly reset your swing timer (or not) either way the HS will just trigger on the following auto.
Single minded fury would probably be a lvl 20 rune seeing as that's the earliest warriors get dual wielding.. Also would make sense since most classes get their big movement increases at lvl 20 (hunter cheetah, druid cat form, shaman spirit wolf and so on)
100% what i'm running is single minded fury ( two sharpening stones with 2% hit each like come on you cant play anything else) I'll also pick up blood frenzy and consumed by rage. talents will spec down to deep wounds only 1 point and rest into crit from the fury tree. Attack rotation will be super boring you just auto attack till 80 rage then dump rage, use overpower whenever you can, execute on the sims are also a dps loss. This sims around 200 dps in pre raid bis. Other spec / talents only get around 150-160 best sim.
@@rotking1 That's exactly the build i was gonna do on warrior. I think spam rending every mob will be beneficial since you lose 10 rage but gain 15 when it ticks, maybe you use rend 2-3 times at the start so you dont make getting to 80 rage slower and then u pump
@@rotking1 Have you tried raging blow? Because when I simmed it it seemed better than blood frenzy.
Closed the video after 4 seconds. Gonna pick the class that resonates with me the most.
I'm gonna be a warlock because that was what I picked the first time I played WoW. The lore around locks in Classic was crazy good. Also, sounds like the Master Channeler rune is going to work like Siphon Life.
Even if you don't choose wisely it's capped at 25 so no sweat, just choose your faction wisely before it gets locked
I'll play alliance when the actual classic plus expansion comes out after the season ends (hopefully)
We were JUST trying to figure this out lastnight and i was looking for videos and i wake up and see this lol sweet!
1:25:29 DOnt you think hunter will have to use Aspect of the Lion on raid and dungeon otherwise it will be remove from group/raids ? I like idea of lonely wolf rune on raid and dungeon
A note for Aspect of the Lion, it will have use for ranged, not just melee - specifically in PvP. Here you often won't have Blessing of Kings, so it is straight up 20% to stamina, agility and strength (the last is useful because even as a ranged hunter, in PvP you will sometimes end up in melee for a bit). Even the extra mana from 20% increased intellect is somewhat useful in PvP.
Honestly, I don't see much reason to pick anything else for PvP regardless of build. Especially 0,since Lone Wolf was nerfed, so the Shadowmeld > Aimed Shot meme build won't really be as compelling. Cobra Shot and Master Marksman just pales in comparison, one relying on crit that is extremely low at lvl 25, the other being 5% crit and some mana efficiency (20% agility, more mana and a huge health boost seems way stronger in PvP).
Also u can stack dodge parry against melee and shadowmeld against casters
Great hat! Go Hawks! ---Wasn't expecting that voice to be a hawkeye fan didn't notice until an hour in because I was listening to this while in game lol
sweet old mangle... oww how i love that skill. i was thinking wich one to pick first but that seals it all. i have been a druid main for 17 years now and discovery is not gonna change that now !
Someone said this earlier, so ill say it as well.
The PvP community is spreading the message "All Megaserver enjoyers, roll on the alphabetically first PvP server in your regions listing"
Spread the message!
Appreciate the message, will get our guild to follow suit!
Letting horde shaman actually dps/heal/tank instead of twisting is a huge benefit of wild strikes.
Shive tremendously vital. I remember Druids in TBC arena trying desperately to shapeshift and run away from my Rogue.
It also allows you to have crippling poison on offhand and saving mainhand slot for another poison.
Too bad Shadowstep was not in their plans. Hunters and Frost Mages are PITA in Vanilla.
Aspect of Lion makes alot of sense for melee hunter. Since you will be doing melee damage you get 20% more strength which is pretty huge. On top of that you get 20% more stamina which will be alot more useful as a melee spec since its always more dangerous to be near bosses (mostly in lvl 60 raids) than standing as a ranged dps so it makes sense for them to get more melee AP more HP, from the extra AGI they still get more armor,dodge and also Crit.
Problem is you wont get a raid spot in any decent guild
@@t9t9t9t9t9 This is a funserver, Every guild will be "decent"
this is why i level every class, except priest and shaman :P
i will choose when i get them to 25 (and beyond) who will be my main
As soon as I saw at Blizzcon "Earth Shock is now a taunt" I knew what I was gonna play right then
keep in mind that at level 60, 100% of your base mana is 1093 mana. so for 15% with prayer of mending, for example would be 163 mana. base mana spells are tuned to be super cheap atm. at level 25 chaos bolt costs 15 mana, and incinerate costs 30 mana vs shadowbolt being 110 mana at lvl 25. thats a big difference
"blood frenzy" is actually rly good for aoe. If you have one or both bleeds on 4 targets you get 12 - 24 rage every 3 seconds just from this rune.
Great video, Still don't know what I want to play exactly but definitely narrowed down my choices for sure. Go Hawks
With Warrior - imo they are going to balance a lot of the runes to somewhat force certain runes for certain playstyles... the Thunder Clap legs "should" be the best Tank legs for example. I could see them tweaking the numbers to ensure they are all used... and probably pretty quickly since the server will have tons of players with lots of data coming in to help them decide how to balance things.
Ashamed to admit I had never heard of you or your channel until I saw you recently on a podcast with Crix, but I'm glad I did.
If this video is a any example of your regular content then I'm sure I'll be back often for SOD info.
You have a very comfortable and conversational style to your presentation and the info you gave out here was obviously well thought through and cohesive.
Also, being a yank I dig the accent 😜
Raging Blow might be a great pick with Consumed By Rage, if there is no internal cool down for the latter. Permanent Enrage by pooling rage and unleashing raging blows at 100% weapon damage every 8 seconds
I am going to give it a shot as a shaman tank. Worst case scenario I can do some silly Ele pvp, be dps as enhacement or heal and spam chain heal
going for meele bm hunter with aspect of the lion, flanking strike and beast mastery. Considering they add scaling for pets this makes aspect of the lion even greater for this build, i am hyped :)
You not hyped. But you a noob
@@AboveBellow atleast he is not sweaty in classic 😂... you have no excuse... ❤😉
Go with what you enjoy, it's only a season anyway so not need to be sweaty
will this work? i know since they added specializations later on where you chance your spec it changes your move sets. but since its the old talent system idk if anything changes and the hunter has access to all abilities just need to train for it at the class trainer.
me 2 my friend!
I am pretty stoked to try a paladin. Been maining a priest and warrior when Classic released. Managed to get a Thunderfury as well. Who knows Pala's end up getting them once they are available? Either way I am sure we'll all have a great time!
tbh on druid... the free wrath is an easy switch out on healer. If you arent running rigorous content, its great to enable healers to "wand" like priests do for no mana cost, speeding up the run slightly if you do not need the bonus living seeds
excellent video even for none english listener it's fluent and understandable keep the good content :)
One thing to consider for ele dps is late game majority of your spell dmg is coming from your weapons. You could dual wield spell dmg weapons and also benefit from the 5% hit. Maybe they introduce enough items for casters to get to hit cap, but if they don't I'm willing to bet this is the way.
Also, the spell coefficient for lightning bolt is obsurd because of the long cast time.
Tanking Shaman was a thing in Beta (2004). It was on Rockbiter AND Earth Shock.
Excited to *finally* tank with a Shaman.
I was one of those Shamans who leveled by tanking. I tanked all dungeons from WC to BRD, it was doable - In some cases with some healers it was even faster than warriors because priests could shield us, and totems really gave out great bonuses to the whole group.
I'm thinking that now shaman tank has the chance to be MT in raids, I'm def going to level as Shaman tank again.
again ? mans living in the past
dont force me to tank to get in to your group bro.
@@hvdiv17 Don't worry, everyone will want to try Warlock tank, and both Paladin and Warrior tanks become so much more fun to play.
@@PendlayRoeyep now that we have death Knights there won't be a tank shortage. Is there going to be a bunch of people Rollin those classes and then when you start actually needing them to take nobody is going to do it same as always
this is vanilla. we don’t have death knights bro. now that we have more than prot warrior and buff bot pala and.. prot warrior as a main tank spec you’ll see more tanks than ever. it’s not that people hate tanking it’s that people hate being bound to one class and spec if they want to main tank for their guild
After watching the ENTIRE video: I dont think Blizzard went "Yea rogues wanted to tank!" They wanted to have a parry tank, a healing tank and a caster tank. And they just thought it fits best on Rogue, Warlock and Shaman.
i watched this whole video and it just made it harder to decide xD
on Wowhead it now says Deadly Brew now applies instant poison even if your weapon doesn't have a poison applied
also scales with AP now witch is nice
I like how Scott casts teleport to different streaming rooms/setup for each class :P
I am waiting or there to be a way to macro change the runes, then you could macro to change the weapon rune to the run speed one and weapon swap with the macro for when you need to run around, then macro swap back to victory rush when you go to pull the next mob.
Awesome cover. Hope you have more on the up coming changes soon!
they should of added a rune for harpoon for melee hunters or add it in the survival tree. doest seem the melee hunter has a gap closer.
I guess the reason for some of their designdecisions will become apparent once you start playing e.g. why the warlocks taunt isnt curse of weakness: So you can actually apply it to multiple targets instead of once per 10 sec, also you dont wanna taunt everytime you wanna apply it while being the Offtank etc.
Same goes for Rogue, they might not want to have a class with such a strong mobility spell like shadowstep, instead they make it cost them an important cd and therefor giving them a decision to make: Use a defensiv spell (vanish) in order to be able to teleport to a target. Else they would outperform other classes too strong in the mobility department, its not retail where everyone has something to use
lol 36:58 - you are just casual dad gamer :)
Very nice thoughts on about Shadow Word: Death - agree.
A "Small" note about Druids Wild Strikes Rune, it is massive for BOTH Horde and Alliance. The key difference is Ferals provide to a chance for extra attack to ALL melee attacks, WF gives for main hand attack. As we all know, druids dont use a main hand attack, their form attacks are not counted as main hand attack, so druids never benefitted from WF. Now they do, and its a gamechanged for feral dps
Doesn't it also mean that alliance and rogues now benefit from windfury? I think that will really shape the meta
Are horde getting anything paladin-exclusive to balance out alliance getting windfury?
hi Scottejaye!
which class should I take if I prefer a kind of "Shockadin playstyle"? (or which class has the most spontaneous spells?)
I last played it in BC and had the most fun with it
They are adding runes for paladin to play shockadin
On priest - you can't downrank flash heal to proc serendipity in phase 1 because you don't get rank 2 until level 26. Also, you don't have prayer of healing until level 30, making circle of healing the priests only party wide heal (well I guess holy nova). Lots of changes from what works best in P1 to later phases.
40 man raids are going to be more fun than ever and I can't wait to experience 40 mans again since I missed classic relaunch ❤
the thing about having curse of weakness as taunt would be you wouldn't be able to put it on multiple enemies in quick succession. other than that curse of recklessness causes enemies to not run away, giving it a 2 in 1.
other than rogue tanks which doesnt make any sense at all, rogues are thiefs the last thing they want is aggro, but whats the content? higher level content? but people miss every ability, are there new dungeons?
Those Warrior runes you keep pointing to one rune in each slot. But i see it as more situational. Like you would have a trash rune set up and a boss tank set up. So 2 runes in each slot are best runes based on the situation.
Shadow priests not getting a vampiric touch rune but more mana hungry abilities is such a slap in the face
i hope blizzard looks at how cool a cloth tank could be and just makes the warlock tank build in SOD and makes it a real thing in retail wow
flaggelation is 100% broken when u have berserker's rage and blood thrist, but i feel at 25 the bleeds giving you extra rage is going to be massive. every 9 seconds is a free quick strike and it helps you stay around the 80 rage mark for consistant consumed by rage procs.
Well... I don't want anyone being like "hey could you heal?" or "hey could you tank?" So hunter it is for me.
I plan on rolling melee hunter so I still expect to be asked to change to a ranged hunter
Insightful. Hunter is now the only class that is pure dps.
@@coolierewind of they could make it work I'd like to see a hunter tanking class that uses the pet.
@Scottejaye, you make some really good content, amigo. Thanks alot for this summary.
There's so much stuff I wanna try out now, even if not seemingly the strongest on paper, most classes should be strong enough in an already fairly easy game unless they really tune up the new content.
What do you think about warlock fire tank for tiers beyond the first release? Lake of Fire (+40% fire damage taken) + Metamorphosis + Incinerate (+25% fire damage), add Demonic Sacrifice on imp for another 15% fire damage, then just open with Incinerate -> Rain of Fire for the buffs and watch stuff die. I would imagine this would be fun with Hellfire if you got a solid healer, at least for most instances. Might need some more beef talents and runes once you're up against raid bosses, but the AoE you can put out seems pretty amazing with the right build.
Good thing about the gradual level caps is we can try everything without falling behind.
I'm glad the classic team decided to bake in damage to the Shadowstrike ability. It's too good if it doesn't take you out of stealth and lets you follow up with whatever you want as the rogues have such a good open up selection of abilities that it would be OP to just be able to gap close so easily in stealth.
I think Curse of Recklessness was the right choice simply because if the taunt was on say Weakness I think it would just add onto the Warlock becoming literally overpowered as it seems to be a really good tank already if you ask me. So I think it was a balancing-kind of decision.
Also, as a Priest main, I agree that Power Word: Barrier should be a raid-wide cooldown for sure!
As someone who has mained hunter from vanilla all the way to WoD then classic, I'm pumped for SoD. However, what I'm quiet curious to see playout is, Aimed Shot in vanilla shared CD with arcane shot. It was later when they changed it to share cd with multi shot. So if I went with explosive shot as the rune, it would mean that aimed shot, arcane shot, and exp shot all share the same CD xD imo that would make expo shot kinda useless. Because aimed shot is the go to spell in rotation for that high dps output in PVE, and in PVP you can one shot someone. That would make chimera shot the go to rune that's for sure. And if that's the case, I just can't wait to have chimera shot with aimed shot and multi shot on my bar. That's gonna be some crazy instant damage with lone wolf and sniper training.
That's the spec i'm leaning towards too but i would be lying if i said i wasn't interested in trying a BM melee hunter too. To many options!
Agreed the BM melee hunter sounds pretty fun too @@flummar1
I just had a thought. What if shaman could enchant their shield with things like flame tongue or rock biter. They could make new shield specific shaman enchants.
I always thought that watershiel, lightningshield and earth shield shouldve been shield enchants.
That's a good idea
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What about using double instant poison, deadly brew, and running shiv as your builder/envenom as spender? Hrmmm…especially if poisons/wiffy stack now. But yes they’ll have to remove charges from poisons.
Just to say that Ancestral Guidance doesn't say the healing done to the 3 people damages the flame shock target its say 100% of your healing also damages your flameshock target. So you can flameshock someone then spam heals to annihilate them.
Not sure if it's been said, (and I'm not a mage main by any standard) but Arcane Surge is actually an ability from retail/dragonflight. You pretty much get full mana back in seconds, at least with the retail version. Might be better than evocate at level 25. Not sure if mages have evocation at 25 but again, I'm no mage main.
I imagine they made recklessness the warlock taunt because it makes more sense a reckless enemy would fall for taunting words than a weakened one.
the answer is Paladin. if you want to play the most sought after class for raid groups it will be paladin. now they can do it all tank / dps / heal. the provide buffs, divine sacrifice, and there is reeason to justify bringing multiples. ok it may be cool for rogue to tank or what ever what else is it bringing to the table ? Paladin it dont matter if you love them or hate them you will want at least 3 in your 10 man raid group .
I have an idea for a mage rune something like temporal specialization where you gain a multiplier of 3 for healing gained from temporal beacon (120%) but reduces damage done by 50%. This would mean that you sacrifice half your dps to increase HPS by 50%. This is because if you convert 120% of your dps into hps but have half damage you are up to 60% your original dps (150% your original hps).
I will make every class, but start with mage or lock to have tailoring and make bags/wands. Then I will play druid and paladin at alliance anyway.
Where do you see as long as your in defensive stance and have a shield equipped for sunder?
Great list, binging it while pretending to work.
And your daughter is adorable
😊 thank you
man.. i have so many things I want to try.. Might just end up just playing boomkin build
Wrath not costing any mana actually really helps with the mana issue that build's stigma of being oomkin. If you go into restoration tree and grab reflection, you basically can just regening mana once you are oom and continue dpsing with wrath till you full mana again. Downside is at 25 you either go into that playstyle but sacrifice the dps talents from balance
Because they added those changes to hunter and druid to compensate for the lack of shamans on ally side and palas on horde, I don't think they would do this but...
It'd be cool to get Dwarf and nelf shamans. And Tauren and troll paladins
I'll be honest, I think in the context of Classic Azeroth, only Dwarf shaman makes sense. Troll needs BFA Zandalar, Tauren...has always been a reach. I think Undead should get Paladin.
I had this fun idea of having to play another class to unlock faction only classes.
Play an undead priest to 25 and unlock a quest to enhance your martial abilities and convert to a paladin
Play a dwarf warrior to 25 unlock quest to enhance your martial abilities and convert to a dwarf shamans
Great breakdown of classes. What's up with the Iowa Hawkeyes hat though?
Flagellation is going to be great but maybe less than it seems, in phase 1 before berserker rage anyway. 25% extra damage for 12 seconds each minute is a 5% damage boost overall. Now, you ideally would pool rage before using bloodrage, which will also keep your rage up, and let you do some insane dps for that 12 seconds. You could also use it during execute window making it even better. So for burning a boss down when it’s low it’s going to be insanely good. Also by that point in the fight, tank should have enough threat so that you don’t have to worry about ripping threat.
However, over the course of a fight it seems like Blood Frenzy will be super good too. Especially one with adds where you can rend multiple enemies and get more procs.
As a tank I would 100% use Warbringer though. Probably in pvp too.
I'm still wondering how it's supposed to work with Warlock Tank.The only value you see so far is pure armor, and an CD with Dodge. You can't block, parry and have no def Rating at all "for now". All you need is a mob that will reduc. your armor as a debuff and your main value is almost gone.
I would also be interested to know if Int and SP are somehow designed for defense.
master channeler will be insane at higher levels as you start getting more shadow spell dmg from gear and buffs and such. as it is now drain life at for example lvl 50 deals decent damage (nowhere near shadow bolt of course) and heals you for a decent amount. however the big thing about the current drain life is that a single setback in the cast will obviously shorten the cast and therefore dmg and healing. in SoD as it will be instant cast and function as a DoT/HoT of sorts it will be free from cast setback. it having 50% extra healing will be insane at higher levels where you get siphon life as extra healing. You will basically be invulnerable as long as you cast drain life
Melee Hunter, shadow priest, ret pally, boomkin
I'm playing all the specs that weren't viable in vanilla.
Nice helpful timestamps/sections
arcane surge sounds absolutely nuts in dungeons. almost oom? use it to kill the last enemy of the pack, sit and drink, and you're full in one or two ticks. it should in theory work just like innervate.
I'm going to lvl all to 25 and see what I jell with the most. Really excited for ret pally though
Cant wait to play SoD but i am soooo annoyed how tank druids seem to have legs being a completely dead runeslot, and i feel like its so silly that we cant get Mangle and Lacerate as they synergize so well... feel like we are gonna be outperformed by every other tank spec, atleast at level 25 we might just be forced to run around as mobile wf totems for all of the first phase...
If consumed by rage counts as enrage for raging blow then raging blow, victory rush, and consumed by rage will make warrior leveling on par with, if not better than, paladins.
My biggest question is what the BM pet scaling will look like. I really hope that the scaling is good and BM won’t just get overshadowed since pet scaling in vanilla doesn’t exist.
My only comment is they said they were giving Horde pally and alliance shamens, a few weeks ago. Dev stated its because Tauren worship a sungod minor backstory etc. In SoD.
It makes sense for warlock to have their taunt on recklesness for RP reasons. As for if I had to minmax as a dev yeah it should've been on weakness. It's a RPG so it makes sense for taunt to be on reckless
Yea defo a fair point
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Afaik Everlasting Affliction only gets procced by the individual casts, not the damage-ticks from the gameplay I've seen, so DL would only refresh it at the very start of the 15s window
Nope, in early days it proceed on ticks