I only did test-knitting once, and it was interrupted in the middle of the process by the designer herself due to some personal issues. Test-knitting is not for me, since I ALWAYS like to adjust the pattern to my liking, and because I do not like time-pressure. However, I did volunteer for that one test as a personal favor and encouragement to a new designer. Imho, it is not realistic to expect to be paid fairly for test-knitting. One does it because would like the final object asap, or because one likes the designer, or as a personal favor to emerging designers. HOWEVER, well established designers who sell lots of patterns and get sponsorship from yarn providers SHOULD do at least substantial yarn support to their testers. But well established designers get sooo much tester offerings that usually do not feel the need to rewards their testers aproprietly. As soon as something becomes business, it becomes also a bit ugly and very competitive - and knitting business is no exception, alas.
Personally I like the challenge of a test knit, but after doing a lot of them, I now only test if the yarn is provided/sponsored. I am very happy to see that more and more designers have contacts with yarn brands so they can offer yarn support.
I am a researcher working in academia. We have something called a Peer review system. It works as "I review your work, you will review mine." It is a blind review system but basically everyone reviews. So technically, designers should have a system in place where they are reviewing (test knitting) each other's work. If they are asking other knitters to test, they should pay them.
That's super interesting! I don't think this would ever happen though, because the designers don't have enough time to work on others' projects. Designing takes an insane amount of time. Test knitting is unfortunately just not something sustainable, regardless of who does it.
My biggest problem with test knitting is the cost of the yarn!!! Not only are you working for free, but YOU'RE paying them to test their patterns? I find that a little ridiculous especially since most of the lovely designs are made with exclusive yarns (sometimes more than one strand held together) and the designers are usually "gifted" the yarns that they use. 😟 That's really the only problem I have with test knitting. Some designers ( a very select few) provide a discount code for yarn, but for the most part, the test knitters buy their own yarn. I wouldn't mind doing test knits if the yarn is provided. That would be an absolute pleasure and a win:win situation for all involved. No exploitation.
I did it twice but both were open test knits. The pattern was free for you and you had a dedicated forum to chat and the designer would respond. If you completed the pattern you'd get another free pattern, but if you didn't it didn't matter because there were lots of people testing. You could also modify as much as you wanted for the same reason. It was lots of fun and I enjoyed it. The atmosphere was similar to a KAL, which is a great alternative for socializing + deadlines. These were some time ago, however, and I do think this type of test knitting is much rarer now
I appreciate your perspective on this! I would only test knit for a designer that I’m familiar with, either through a personal relationship or from knitting previous designs, and only if I actually wanted the finished object. If I want the object, the lack of compensation would not bother me very much because I would have been putting the labor in for myself regardless. I think there is some advantage to getting early access to a seasonal pattern through a test. For example, I test knit a witch hat a few years ago and the deadline ensured that I finished the hat before Halloween. There are definitely some designers that seem to use test knitters primarily for promotion (knitters with large Instagram following) rather than collecting (and acting upon) their feedback. There also seem to be designers who skip tech editing and rely on test knitters to fix grammatical and math errors. Both of those scenarios would be very frustrating to me. Overall, I have similar feelings about test knitting. It is not something I really want to do on a regular basis.
I honestly understand this point of view, but i have a totally different one. I only completed 1 test knit, one test crochet, and I am curently working on my 2nd test knit. My good experiencce probably comes down to the designer i tested for. But I also think that i am a fast knitter, someone who knits a lot, and a monogamous knitter. So for the very few I did I was early, and didn't have any presure. I also do want to acknowlage that I am a smaller size, and i have zero boobs, so design rarely don't fit me (and i also have smaller garment to make so it is another reason why it is quicker for me) For the motivation, I honestly hesitate before buying a pattern from a designer from wich I never nit before, and I like that test knitting allow me to get a sneak peak into the writting style of the designer, to know if I'd like to knit another one of their pattern
I have test-knitted one hat, two single socks and two pairs of socks. Each project was a good experience and I'm glad I took part. I like having finished objects but for some reason I don't understand, I find it crazy hard to actually finish projects. I get half-way, or two-thirds finished and just start hating the sight of the project. So having a deadline suits me well, and a self-imposed deadline is too easy to ignore! I dropped out of one hat test a few years ago - I was just hating the techniques used, there were a lot of ends to deal with, I didn't like the fabric I was making. I regretted that one because I let the designer down, and since then I've been much more picky about which tests I sign up for. I've never test-knit a sweater and I suspect I never will, because it's just so many hours work and so much money to spend on yarn. As a large person with a 48-inch chest, I would have to spend significantly more money and time than people knitting the smaller sizes. I notice when viewing open tests in the "Testing Pool" Ravelry group that designers struggle to get test-knitters for the larger sizes. I don't know what would be a good, fair solution to this problem but I wish we could find one because I greatly appreciate it when my size has been test-knit and I have a good idea of how much yarn I'll need to buy, and I like seeing clothes modelled on a similar body to mine!
I do test knits quite often but I've learned from my mistakes regarding whether to sign-up or not. Now, I usually ask a few questions first (unless it's a test for a designer I often test for). For example, I ask if modifications are allowed, if the deadline is flexible in case something happens, etc. I find test knitting exciting and I love chatting in the groups and seeing other testers' progress. What I don't do: I don't test for designers who are very strict and don't allow flexibility. I don't test when the deadling is not realistic for me. And I do NOT do mystery tests anymore. Too risky.
The only thing I ever test knit was a crochet shorts. I had to use velvet yarn, which I learned I hated working with, and the shorts turned out incredibly heavy and didn't fit quite right. At the time, I had wanted to try crocheting shorts, and I did get another free pattern, so I honestly felt ok about it. I think it's important to consider if you really want to make a certain pattern when signing up. To me, it would only seem worth it if I really liked the item as the designer intends it to be made. For community, I've had a lot of fun doing knit-a-longs with Facebook knitting groups! There are a bunch on Ravelry, too, but I really don't like the Ravelry message board system because it's impossible to keep up with what everyone is posting.
I think the reward is to be able to get the pattern for free, and to get the feeling that you helped people. Not just the designer, but future people interested in the pattern as well. I see it as an act of community service in a sense. If I look at a pattern, and it does not have any projects from other people that I can take a look at, I won't feel like I'm informed enough about if the pattern scales nicely for different sizes, or if it fits my specific body type that is different from the designer's. I'd be way more inclined to skip that specific pattern. Sure, that sucks for the designer, as it's a missed sale. But it also sucks for me, cos it's a cool design and sometimes there's unique features that can truly be interesting. Or it's a designer I want to support, especially if they're lesser known. I think the problem is with taking on test-knitting as a full-time job almost. Doing a test knit every so often can be rewarding (if the designer is helpful and open to feedback). Doing a test knit for every project however will leave you more stressed than fulfilled.
Now when it comes to companies, I think it's a different story. They could just hire people instead of using advantage of random people that barely get compensated if at all.
@@joanneyoung1081 and I bet you can’t guess where most of those handknitters live? I can’t even begin to imagine what their lives must be like and the pittance they are paid.
@@serenitybay5544knitters come from every walk of life. Some are well known actresses , actors , federal judges. They don’t do it for a living but it’s a modest and respectable hobby. Some teach on worldwide cruises. I do look for critical thinking about designs so I can stay clear of it. It takes time to make life connections. Some knitters just live a wholesome hardworking rewarding life.
I did a testknit once and it was an okayish experience. I can relate to a lot of things you are saying and looking back, I would not looove to do it again. but when I see designers that I like post a new pattern that I like, I think, why not. I mean, some do yarn sponsorship and knitting a pattern with yarn that you got for free is not that bad of a deal in my opinion. but yeah, that's rather rare. most of the times, I also felt kinda under-appreciated and wasn't digging the testknitting group. I think why I did it was because it felt good to be "chosen", even if I didn't gain many followers from it, I felt honoured. what bothered me was the harsh deadline- one month for a cardigan was kinda tough for me and I only had to knit a size m. I always admire how the testers of the larger sizes have the same time as someone knitting an xs- it is a dramatic difference in working hours! btw, what bothers me even more is when I buy patterns of deisgners and they are faulty. just recently I bought a pattern for 10€ in german, my mother tongue, and the pattern was so shitty, it had grave mistakes and sometimes I didn't even understand what I was supposed to do. when I told the designer via mail, they were like "oh yea, you can tell us wherr the mistakes are" and I was like "excuse you? I PAID for that pattern and now you expect me to work for you without any compensation whatsoever?" I also helped another designer with two of her patterns and didn't even receive a thank you let alone any compensation... this really sucks!
i loved this - so interesting and agree with you on so many points! it does suck when they reject / ignore your feedback because it feels exactly as you said like they think you’ve done something wrong, or you just don’t understand the pattern whereas it’s like, if i don’t understand your pattern then there’s something wrong with the pattern! also about not receiving the “reward” even when it’s a small one, i had the same and felt too embarrassed to follow up about now receiving my “free pattern” for one of my test knits so have just left it as it does weirdly feel like a judgement that my test knit wasn’t good enough to get the reward 😅 i’m sure that’s paranoia but it gets you doesn’t it, the whole thing brings a weird relationship into knitting which is so not needed ! great video ❤❤❤
Hiya, I did a secret test knit for a designer, who was so happy with my project that they asked me to test another pattern even if I didn't meet the deadline. I managed to do it just on time, send all my project details and was rewarded with one pattern from their design library....
When I first heard of test knitting I did wonder why you would bother putting yourself under all that pressure just for a free pattern and I think some people might do it to be ahead of the curve. I think its maybe a characteristic of some creative people to be always looking for the new. But that's not me so I've never bothered.
The reason why I test knit? If it's something I was going to knit anyway, and maybe they are a small designer that doesn't get a lot of traction. I knit the thing, ask questions, tell them where I stumbled, tell them things that help my brain, and post the pictures. All this while never committing to a deadline I don't think I can manage or committing before I know I have the yarn. Dogs it mean that I do a lot of test knitting? No, but I find my experience is much more rewarding this way.
Yes, I only test knit for patterns I would want to buy anyway so free pattern for me. And frequently a 2nd free pattern as payment. But I've learned to make sure I have the yarn in stash & like their other patterns first!
I definitely can relate and understand some of your points! In my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, us knitters wouldn't have as much access to all the wonderful patterns available without the help of test knitters. I think this is just something that we have to go into knowing what the pay off is before deciding to commit. I think it has to come from a place of wanting to serve the knitting community out of kindness, not really from a place of what am I getting out of this? That being said I do think that there is a lot of false hype around test knitting. I also do think that designers should be kind and understanding to those who are willing to commit to helping them make that pattern possible for them AND be very clear and concise prior to tester selection. Oh - and having a variety with who they choose to test knit as well! But yea, overall, I do think testers should be aware of what they are actually doing, which is helping a designer for little materialistic payoff, and with that in mind choosing test knits wisely! The intention behind why someone chooses to test knit a pattern will inevitably bleed into their work and experience doing a test. Those are my thoughts. I think this is an interesting topic to bring up! Thanks for making this video.
I've test-knit many times....lol, and I don't really know why! Now I only do it if I have stash yarn that is appropriate. I find it discouraging for some designers to choose mostly podcasters for testing....when, really, it's a smart thing to do, as it gets them more exposure.
I’ve never considering test knitting based on experiences you’ve just discussed. I’d rather wait for a pattern release knowing it’s had most of its issues sorted. I remember buying a newly released pattern by a very famous designer only to find typo and errors. I want to knit patterns that are tested and use my yarn and make changes if I want 😊
you've mentioned ALL of the points that i've about with test knitting, it's the reason why i never signed up for one. the only reason why i would sign up for a test knit with the current way it's been done is if I get sponsored yarn, and if I get to keep the project and the final pattern in the end.
I ve never tested and never ll . I think designers are not looking for feedback but free marketing /advertisement . You should take great photos post instagram and/or mention in you podcast. All for free. I pass
Definitely! I think feedback and pictures are completely different. The pictures are what sells the pattern. For use of my pictures, I'd want to be paid, because they are what sells the pattern.
I agree with all your points. There will always be people who want free patterns - and are willing to give their time for that alone. The ONLY benefit I see to the test knitter is if they themselves want to become designers. Then to some degree, its a learning experience on the process and different styles of pattern instructions.
I’ve done two test knits. I enjoyed my first one more than the second. I think it’s because the pattern itself was something I was excited to wear in the end. The other one I wasn’t excited to wear and it just felt tedious towards the end. I had no desire to post photos of it or anything like that. It taught me to be more cautious with the test knits I apply for and think about how the finished project with serve my wardrobe.
I haven’t test knit. I have test crochet but only for 1 designer and she is very open to feedback. I mean this is the whole purpose. And she gifts the pattern once it’s done and when she releases a book she gifts a couple signed.
I'm in some online knitting groups and I'm always amazed how many people rise their hands when someone asks for test knits. I never would gift so much time and work to a stranger. If I really want a new pattern, I happily will pay for it. Because it is exactly what I was looking for and not a something.
I've done a lot of test knits on Ravelry. I looove it ! But I admit that a good experience will depend on the designer. I only had one really bad test in over 5 years and simply avoided the designer after that.
I love test knitting. I don't mind the deadlines or have issues keeping to them, and i don't have pattern kind of money so i appreciate free patterns. I think it's a fun challenge to find and help solve errors. I've had great test knitting experiences with hook mountain handmade and journey through yarn!!!
I also went into test knitting thinking I would get more community or friends out of it. Some test knitting groups don’t communicate at all which can feel very weird and isolating somehow. Another pet peeve I have, is when the designer I am test knitting for doesn’t share my project/posts/story about their project. Idk if this is me being petty, but for me that kind of reflects a sort of appreciation. It felt incredibly rude to not have a single post shared by the designer. What do you think? Am I overreacting or can anyone relate?
I agree with a lot of what you said. I tested a few patterns which many of I really liked and that's why I have had applied on the first place. But in the process I came to conclussion that it is not worth my time and affort for many reasons (usually, not always). Main being that I have to knit to a pattern and it's not what I prefer to do and I am not always happy with the result. I like testing patterns from designers whom patterns I've knitted befor and I trust them. I have a bigger chance that I will like a finished object. And I also like when you can choose one or two previous pattern in return for your hard work after test is finished. Now I do tests only when I really love a sample garment and I know a designer.
did one test knit years ago, never did another one...not only did i end up having to pay for $130 in yarn she wanted me to the hand over the blanket without compensation to prove theres no errors and how good it looks....no thanks told her not happening unless i at least get paid for the yarn that i paid out of pocket......i burned the blanket...never again!! if im pissing away money ill do it my way!
I applied only once to do a test knit. I’ve been knitting for years and this was the first time I applied. The response I got was so rude, I was stunned. Although I stated my years experience knitting, I was treated like how dare I apply without having test knitted before for anyone else. I’ve never bought any of this designer’s products and patterns again. Nor will I. And have decided that knitting is my form of meditation. I don’t want the pressure of deadlines. So no test knitting for me.
I've always said I'd only test knit for a friend. But I don't have any friends who design patterns. If I did, I would test knit for them because I know whether or not they took my feedback, they'd at least hear it, and it would be a favor for a friend, not a business thing. Most designers can't afford to pay their testers but they should pay a tech editor before test knitter's and if they're using my pictures (which we know they would be), that I'd want to be paid for since those pictures are used to sell it. Just feedback feels completely different to using pictures.
I did one test crochet where the designer turned on me when I brought a mistake to her attention. I was not given the free corrected pattern as promised.
Test knitters are invaluable to both designers and future knitter purchasers. Usually test knitters are very accomplished knitters I guess they do it for love of knits and to learn more. Good to hear your side.
I've considered test knitting, but when i discovered that i was required to purchase ( what i consider to be) expensive yarn, i decided against it. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I have noticed some TH-cam knitters referring to and doing test knits. I had up to this, assumed the pattern designer supplied the wool 😮 I can't imagine agreeing to a deadline and adhering exactly to a pattern, (unless it was something very unusual or intricate or something that you really wanted) in which case you could just wait for the pattern release and knit it at your own pace. My thoughts are that within the world of knitters it's like a status thing.... 'Look at me I test knit for......' However, if it makes you feel good for whatever reason and that's enough of a pay off, well that's ok too. 😉
I test knitted for 2 designers in the past. One gave me the yarn to test knit with plus a copy of the finished hardback book and credited me in the pattern/book the other gave me the finished pattern. It’s very stressful and I don’t do it any more because knitting is my hobby I don’t want the stress.
I am a frequent test knitter and I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon, but the points you and issy raised definitely resonate with me, at least with some designers. There is one designer I’ve tested for a few times that I won’t anymore because her community is very cliquey and she only pays attention to the feedback her friends give, only reshares photos that her friends post, has slow communication, and usually forgets to send the finalized pattern.
I’ve thought your same thoughts-and have never test-knitted. What about the expense of your 21 tests-you didn’t mention the yarn you used for garments you might/might not like? That’s another deterrent for me. Second big deterrent: I realize one has to follow the pattern like a recipe-testing it. I’d have to modify! Thanks for your comments and insight.
I've never test knit, but I would only do it if the first item was knit in the yarn they sent me, and then they let me choose the yarn I want to make my own version with and gift it to me. Will work for yarn. Otherwise, it might be fun to make items for a tv show or movie, IF I was paid a fair hourly wage and given enough time to complete the items without having to knit 17 hours a day.
As a small designer, that's my two cents. I don't expect much from test knitters, because I always clearly state that it is voluntary work. I don't promise rewards (but always offer one chosen pattern from my collection after the test knit), because I want to gather group of knitters that are actually interested in the design that they are testing and want the experience and final product. Most important thing for me that the knitter went through the pattern and gave a feedback, but they can choose whatever yarn, colors they want, can do whatever modifications they want (the more versions the better, imo!). I genuinly want knitters to wear the garment. And, if test knitter drops out - I am totally okay with it. About the feedback: designers receive so much feedback and it is very valuable. But when doing final edits you have to still keep your integrity and evaluate every suggestion while being critical of your pattern and of that suggestion, because that is the thing with patterns (and designs) - you can't please everyone. I once had two comments about the same pattern, one being that pattern could be longer, some sections could be repeated so that knitters don't have to go back a few pages, another one being, that pattern could have been shorter. So yes, please don't be offended if some of your suggestions are not included in the final edit. Why I think poeple test knit? Because they want to be part of that design and pattern publishing process, they want to learn new things, they need that push to finish the project if they tend to not finish things, it's fun, there is a big group of knitters making the same thing, so it's like a knitalong also, they want to "meet" the designer, they want to help and so on. It's not all about doing a huge favour for someone (though I am not saying it isn't a huge favour). But at the same time, test knits are definitely not for everyone. Of course, all your feelings and experiences are valid, and I am sorry to hear that you are no longer interested in test knitting 😔To conclude, I am very grateful for my test knitters, but ultimately I think you should test knit (or just knit) for you rather than for someone else☺
I have never test knitted and don’t ever plan to. I think people do it for a “challenge”. It’s too bad that it is not rewarding as it should be, like a financial type. I knit because I love doing it, and I would never give that time away without being rewarded.
Test knitting can be attributed to being altruistic in a lot of cases. One has the resources and free time to test out a pattern for another person without the expectation of receiving something other than gratitude in return. Obviously this isn’t going to be something everyone would want to volunteer for, but it can be quite fulfilling for others.
i think that test knitting is for the greater good of the community (you volunteer to guid the community) cus think about how the community would be different if there weren't any test knitters, test knitting is so important and designers should not expolite knitter! I'm well aware that there are people living off knitting profit, like selling patterns and designing, but knitting at its core is a slow labour and would never work when someone try to capitalise it.
Its the photoshoot for me. No thanks. So much work. Free pattern, fine if I was really.enamoured by the design, deadline no problem, Im a mono knitter/crocheter and have to knit till its done. So theyd have to pay me for the photos basically because that is work I wouldnt be doing otherwise. I just take a picture of the thing on hanger or my feet or just folded on the table.
Yeah, personally I feel like asking for modelled photos is just too much to ask for free, or for a free pattern. I skip tests that have this as a requirement.
I thought test knitting was a cool way to be part of a project and get a free pattern and was lucky some designers were very patient with me as I was a very new knitter. I also liked the idea of the deadline, but realized it was making knitting less fun and somehow like a competition. I had a few good test knits, but some were frogged because the fit was just not for me. This was the main reason I stopped - the final product did not work at all and there weren't enough pictures to know ahead of knitting. After a few good test knits, I decided to stop doing them. I like a free pattern, but the pay off was not worth it for me considering the hoops some designers make you jump through.. images on multiple platforms, videos, penalties, etc... all this for under $10? Not my experience, but I saw some red flags when applying. There are designers who appreciate their test knitters, realistic with their expectations, and make this process worth it. If I were to test knit again, I'll go with designers who are sponsored and can provide yarn support - especially if it's a brand like Isager yarn. 😂
They should send you yarn and pay $200 towards the photoshoot IMO. Its a lot that they ask for free. One free pattern is an insult. Ive seen designers on youtube with the same jumper knitted with four different yarns in the background, they obviously didntheir own testknits. Asking people to do it for a fiver is exploitative . If new designers dont have the money then they can say thats the reason theyre not paying but they could still offer a several patterns in stead of cash...or is there some legal reason to not do that? Taxes and what not.
I think it's a little unfair to say that designers should have paid test knits, especially since we always complain (rightly so) about patterns not being size inclusive. Sure, you can grade them but the fit, as yourself said in the video, might need adjustment. I agree with most of you other points, some of which clearly are personal: I think it's safe to say testpatterning (?? is that a word) isn't for you, but evidently a lot of people like it otherwise it wouldn't be a thing. If it makes you feel bad, 100% don't do it, this is a hobby that should bring joy. On the subject of sometimes not being satisfied with the final project, well... it has happened to me even with tested patterns I have paid for 🤣
I like testknitting for designers I know. I know what kind of patterns they write and what is the way they write patterns. I also have made big change with deadlines what those few designers use with their testknits. I have knitted two testknit for two different designers I didn’t know and those were full disasters. I only testknit patterns I would buy or knit anyway. So I get that pattern free. For me testknitting is not for money. I like finding flaws in patterns. I always first read the testknit pattern few times before even casting on. I usually do check put math in my size. I try to pick major flaws then. After reading pattern I give feedback to the designer. Many times I have picked up major thing then before other testknitters have knitted to that part. I know I’m more advanced knitter with years of active knitting before starting testknits. Testknitting is just one more hobby for me. I’m very very picky what I will testknit. I’m not in Instagram. I did get those two bad experiences in Yarn pool. I have only five or six designers I testknit for and I’m happy with this. I know I’m one of the lucky ones with mostly good experiences with testknits.
I really enjoy test knitting as well for the same reasons that you do. I will admit that I use Yarnpond and so far it's been ok. I have a couple of designers that I have test knit for multiple times. I typically stick to the pattern. I don't necessarily knit the sweater in my size simply because I may not have enough of the yarn needed for the project in my stash. I have a large extended family so the garment always finds a home.
September 27, 2024: This is so alarming and disappointing. The idea of test knitting is a great idea. There was another knitter that posted awhile back that had the same thought. She noted some other mentions that her feedback was not taken in consideration instead either ghosted her or came back with a snarky result. To do 21 test knits and the stress of the deadline brings the joy of knitting out the door. Please do not change and continue here. We, your subscribers, especially me a novice, appreciate you. Your talent and time is priceless. The reward should be a compensation from yarn, notions or maybe a cute tea cup to knitting bowl that is unique and of high quality. So sorry you receive such a negative experience. Never say you did something wrong. Your community is here. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I've tested a lot, in crochet and started in knitting as well. The test knit was not a pleasant experience. I now only test knit for one person....her writing is clear, she always listens to suggestions etc.
I haven't test knit yet, but now there are 2 designers that I respect who I would consider test knitting for. I'm a larger lady and they need people of my size to be honest about the fit. Yet again, with my schedule I haven't had time. But it would only be because I want to help those 2 designers that try really hard to put out solid patterns.
I would never test knit. I don’t use patterns from others, I make my own. The idea of using unpaid „test knitters“ seems wrong to me. Try to get a car test driver (as done by Mercedes, BMW…) for free. -- The big problem is, skilled knitters aren’t valued. Obviously not even by most knitting „designers“. Even crochet, which can’t be done with a machine, is rather seen as a „housewife hobby“ than the fibre art it really is.
Are you telling me that you have to provide the yarn … as well . I don’t use patterns at all, with my basic maths and a test square you can create something wonderful,I will see something say on Pinterest or just seeing someone wearing something great , then I will just try to make it out of my head….knitting for someone else with no thanks is ludicrous . Stop it now !!! life’s too short to do something for nothing. Anix🍓
I like to test knit if it's for a pattern that I would buy anyway (or if I can choose a pattern that I like in their shop) and if the deadline is feasible for me, 6 weeks to knit a sweater is not gonna happpen without me getting paid in cash or fancy yarn to knit the sweater. I think you need to set your wishes and boundaries and if these do not coincide with the description of the test knit just don't apply. I have not had any bad experiences with test knits, the feedback I have given or questions I have asked were always answered. Some feedback was incorporated into the final pattern, some was not but I have no problem with that since it is not my pattern to publish. I also haven't had any problems adjusting a pattern to have a good fit, such as a different border on socks or adjusting length of a sweater or sleeves. But I do choose my test knits very carefully 🙂 I do think large designers or companies should pay people to testknit their new patterns, but small or beginning designers have to start somewhere. If you want I can give you the names of the people I have testknit for maybe with them you will have a better experience.
I've done a few test knits off of the test knitting forums on Ravelry. Small things like hats and a dish cloth. In that respect, if you have the yarn, the pattern is likely to be well written, and the pattern is a few bucks I don't want to spend, sure I'll test knit. I like helping and it gives me motivation to post nice pictures on my Ravelry. I might test knit a pattern that will be offered for free. No one is getting paid, including the designer. They're offering it for the community, and my size is more rare in the knitting community. So, helping out. (I did that once for a small pattern.) Patterns where the designer has a lot of demands? Naw. I don't have time and whatever item it is, it's not worth THAT much of my time. I have a full queue of items I can knit. The problem is, I've seen designers that want you to use expensive and hard to get yarns, and buy them yourself. The alternative yarns are also rare and expensive. So like... merino cashmere silk blend yarn, $30 a skein from some niche famous company, and I would need almost twice the amount as smaller sizes??? No. But also, correction: patterns for shawls and sweaters often start at $8 (USD), and can go up to $12 or more nowadays. And with the popularity some of these "hot right now" designers have, they should be able to pay test knitters. Period. What did designers do in the 1990s and earlier when they had a pattern they wanted to publish say, into a magazine? Did they really put out a call to a bunch of local knitter fans and ask them to knit a complex pattern for free, with their own yarn? Luckily there are designers that are thinking this over and looking at hiring knitters they've worked with.
My dear oh dear… Yóu’ve got a lót going on in your head! You act almost as if you’ve been robbed. Make up your mind and just dó it of don’t. Have fun to do it, or not. Then don’t. Why should you bother anyone with your frustrations? 🤷♀️
Well actually she makes some very valid points, especially when you are test knitting for large well known yarn companies. I personally would never be a test knitter as I think most patterns usually are adapted for your own personal preferences by yourself. I don’t knit I crochet, however I usually find I adapt a pattern to suit my own style or ease of working. The only way you can actually have fun is designing your own pattern and knowing it is a one off and unique to you and gathering all the compliments.
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I only did test-knitting once, and it was interrupted in the middle of the process by the designer herself due to some personal issues. Test-knitting is not for me, since I ALWAYS like to adjust the pattern to my liking, and because I do not like time-pressure. However, I did volunteer for that one test as a personal favor and encouragement to a new designer.
Imho, it is not realistic to expect to be paid fairly for test-knitting. One does it because would like the final object asap, or because one likes the designer, or as a personal favor to emerging designers. HOWEVER, well established designers who sell lots of patterns and get sponsorship from yarn providers SHOULD do at least substantial yarn support to their testers. But well established designers get sooo much tester offerings that usually do not feel the need to rewards their testers aproprietly.
As soon as something becomes business, it becomes also a bit ugly and very competitive - and knitting business is no exception, alas.
Personally I like the challenge of a test knit, but after doing a lot of them, I now only test if the yarn is provided/sponsored. I am very happy to see that more and more designers have contacts with yarn brands so they can offer yarn support.
I am a researcher working in academia. We have something called a Peer review system. It works as "I review your work, you will review mine." It is a blind review system but basically everyone reviews. So technically, designers should have a system in place where they are reviewing (test knitting) each other's work. If they are asking other knitters to test, they should pay them.
That's super interesting! I don't think this would ever happen though, because the designers don't have enough time to work on others' projects. Designing takes an insane amount of time. Test knitting is unfortunately just not something sustainable, regardless of who does it.
@@velvetplans5396 Then the whole system of test knitting should be abolished.
@@ila.v I might agree with you on that!
My biggest problem with test knitting is the cost of the yarn!!! Not only are you working for free, but YOU'RE paying them to test their patterns? I find that a little ridiculous especially since most of the lovely designs are made with exclusive yarns (sometimes more than one strand held together) and the designers are usually "gifted" the yarns that they use. 😟 That's really the only problem I have with test knitting. Some designers ( a very select few) provide a discount code for yarn, but for the most part, the test knitters buy their own yarn. I wouldn't mind doing test knits if the yarn is provided. That would be an absolute pleasure and a win:win situation for all involved. No exploitation.
I’ve always questioned why someone would ever test knit for a designer. It’s is FREE LABOR!!
I did it twice but both were open test knits. The pattern was free for you and you had a dedicated forum to chat and the designer would respond. If you completed the pattern you'd get another free pattern, but if you didn't it didn't matter because there were lots of people testing. You could also modify as much as you wanted for the same reason. It was lots of fun and I enjoyed it. The atmosphere was similar to a KAL, which is a great alternative for socializing + deadlines.
These were some time ago, however, and I do think this type of test knitting is much rarer now
A way to knit what you want with a deadline is to participate in a KAL 🙂
KAL?
@@genera1013knit a long.
@@genera1013Knit-a-long 😊
I appreciate your perspective on this! I would only test knit for a designer that I’m familiar with, either through a personal relationship or from knitting previous designs, and only if I actually wanted the finished object. If I want the object, the lack of compensation would not bother me very much because I would have been putting the labor in for myself regardless. I think there is some advantage to getting early access to a seasonal pattern through a test. For example, I test knit a witch hat a few years ago and the deadline ensured that I finished the hat before Halloween.
There are definitely some designers that seem to use test knitters primarily for promotion (knitters with large Instagram following) rather than collecting (and acting upon) their feedback. There also seem to be designers who skip tech editing and rely on test knitters to fix grammatical and math errors. Both of those scenarios would be very frustrating to me.
Overall, I have similar feelings about test knitting. It is not something I really want to do on a regular basis.
I honestly understand this point of view, but i have a totally different one. I only completed 1 test knit, one test crochet, and I am curently working on my 2nd test knit. My good experiencce probably comes down to the designer i tested for. But I also think that i am a fast knitter, someone who knits a lot, and a monogamous knitter. So for the very few I did I was early, and didn't have any presure. I also do want to acknowlage that I am a smaller size, and i have zero boobs, so design rarely don't fit me (and i also have smaller garment to make so it is another reason why it is quicker for me)
For the motivation, I honestly hesitate before buying a pattern from a designer from wich I never nit before, and I like that test knitting allow me to get a sneak peak into the writting style of the designer, to know if I'd like to knit another one of their pattern
I have test-knitted one hat, two single socks and two pairs of socks. Each project was a good experience and I'm glad I took part. I like having finished objects but for some reason I don't understand, I find it crazy hard to actually finish projects. I get half-way, or two-thirds finished and just start hating the sight of the project. So having a deadline suits me well, and a self-imposed deadline is too easy to ignore!
I dropped out of one hat test a few years ago - I was just hating the techniques used, there were a lot of ends to deal with, I didn't like the fabric I was making. I regretted that one because I let the designer down, and since then I've been much more picky about which tests I sign up for.
I've never test-knit a sweater and I suspect I never will, because it's just so many hours work and so much money to spend on yarn. As a large person with a 48-inch chest, I would have to spend significantly more money and time than people knitting the smaller sizes. I notice when viewing open tests in the "Testing Pool" Ravelry group that designers struggle to get test-knitters for the larger sizes. I don't know what would be a good, fair solution to this problem but I wish we could find one because I greatly appreciate it when my size has been test-knit and I have a good idea of how much yarn I'll need to buy, and I like seeing clothes modelled on a similar body to mine!
I do test knits quite often but I've learned from my mistakes regarding whether to sign-up or not. Now, I usually ask a few questions first (unless it's a test for a designer I often test for). For example, I ask if modifications are allowed, if the deadline is flexible in case something happens, etc. I find test knitting exciting and I love chatting in the groups and seeing other testers' progress. What I don't do: I don't test for designers who are very strict and don't allow flexibility. I don't test when the deadling is not realistic for me. And I do NOT do mystery tests anymore. Too risky.
I would only test knit if the yarn was supplied. Sometimes what yarn designer asks for is extremely expensive!
The only thing I ever test knit was a crochet shorts. I had to use velvet yarn, which I learned I hated working with, and the shorts turned out incredibly heavy and didn't fit quite right. At the time, I had wanted to try crocheting shorts, and I did get another free pattern, so I honestly felt ok about it. I think it's important to consider if you really want to make a certain pattern when signing up. To me, it would only seem worth it if I really liked the item as the designer intends it to be made.
For community, I've had a lot of fun doing knit-a-longs with Facebook knitting groups! There are a bunch on Ravelry, too, but I really don't like the Ravelry message board system because it's impossible to keep up with what everyone is posting.
I think the reward is to be able to get the pattern for free, and to get the feeling that you helped people. Not just the designer, but future people interested in the pattern as well.
I see it as an act of community service in a sense. If I look at a pattern, and it does not have any projects from other people that I can take a look at, I won't feel like I'm informed enough about if the pattern scales nicely for different sizes, or if it fits my specific body type that is different from the designer's. I'd be way more inclined to skip that specific pattern.
Sure, that sucks for the designer, as it's a missed sale. But it also sucks for me, cos it's a cool design and sometimes there's unique features that can truly be interesting. Or it's a designer I want to support, especially if they're lesser known.
I think the problem is with taking on test-knitting as a full-time job almost. Doing a test knit every so often can be rewarding (if the designer is helpful and open to feedback). Doing a test knit for every project however will leave you more stressed than fulfilled.
Now when it comes to companies, I think it's a different story. They could just hire people instead of using advantage of random people that barely get compensated if at all.
I heard from another knitter the GAP used to hire knitters to hand knit their sweaters. This was a while back .
@@joanneyoung1081 and I bet you can’t guess where most of those handknitters live? I can’t even begin to imagine what their lives must be like and the pittance they are paid.
@@serenitybay5544knitters come from every walk of life. Some are well known actresses , actors , federal judges. They don’t do it for a living but it’s a modest and respectable hobby. Some teach on worldwide cruises. I do look for critical thinking about designs so I can stay clear of it. It takes time to make life connections. Some knitters just live a wholesome hardworking rewarding life.
@@serenitybay5544I think most have day jobs
I did a testknit once and it was an okayish experience. I can relate to a lot of things you are saying and looking back, I would not looove to do it again. but when I see designers that I like post a new pattern that I like, I think, why not. I mean, some do yarn sponsorship and knitting a pattern with yarn that you got for free is not that bad of a deal in my opinion. but yeah, that's rather rare. most of the times, I also felt kinda under-appreciated and wasn't digging the testknitting group. I think why I did it was because it felt good to be "chosen", even if I didn't gain many followers from it, I felt honoured. what bothered me was the harsh deadline- one month for a cardigan was kinda tough for me and I only had to knit a size m. I always admire how the testers of the larger sizes have the same time as someone knitting an xs- it is a dramatic difference in working hours!
btw, what bothers me even more is when I buy patterns of deisgners and they are faulty. just recently I bought a pattern for 10€ in german, my mother tongue, and the pattern was so shitty, it had grave mistakes and sometimes I didn't even understand what I was supposed to do. when I told the designer via mail, they were like "oh yea, you can tell us wherr the mistakes are" and I was like "excuse you? I PAID for that pattern and now you expect me to work for you without any compensation whatsoever?" I also helped another designer with two of her patterns and didn't even receive a thank you let alone any compensation... this really sucks!
i loved this - so interesting and agree with you on so many points! it does suck when they reject / ignore your feedback because it feels exactly as you said like they think you’ve done something wrong, or you just don’t understand the pattern whereas it’s like, if i don’t understand your pattern then there’s something wrong with the pattern! also about not receiving the “reward” even when it’s a small one, i had the same and felt too embarrassed to follow up about now receiving my “free pattern” for one of my test knits so have just left it as it does weirdly feel like a judgement that my test knit wasn’t good enough to get the reward 😅 i’m sure that’s paranoia but it gets you doesn’t it, the whole thing brings a weird relationship into knitting which is so not needed ! great video ❤❤❤
Hiya, I did a secret test knit for a designer, who was so happy with my project that they asked me to test another pattern even if I didn't meet the deadline. I managed to do it just on time, send all my project details and was rewarded with one pattern from their design library....
When I first heard of test knitting I did wonder why you would bother putting yourself under all that pressure just for a free pattern and I think some people might do it to be ahead of the curve. I think its maybe a characteristic of some creative people to be always looking for the new. But that's not me so I've never bothered.
The reason why I test knit? If it's something I was going to knit anyway, and maybe they are a small designer that doesn't get a lot of traction. I knit the thing, ask questions, tell them where I stumbled, tell them things that help my brain, and post the pictures. All this while never committing to a deadline I don't think I can manage or committing before I know I have the yarn. Dogs it mean that I do a lot of test knitting? No, but I find my experience is much more rewarding this way.
Yes, I only test knit for patterns I would want to buy anyway so free pattern for me. And frequently a 2nd free pattern as payment. But I've learned to make sure I have the yarn in stash & like their other patterns first!
I definitely can relate and understand some of your points! In my opinion, in the grand scheme of things, us knitters wouldn't have as much access to all the wonderful patterns available without the help of test knitters. I think this is just something that we have to go into knowing what the pay off is before deciding to commit. I think it has to come from a place of wanting to serve the knitting community out of kindness, not really from a place of what am I getting out of this?
That being said I do think that there is a lot of false hype around test knitting. I also do think that designers should be kind and understanding to those who are willing to commit to helping them make that pattern possible for them AND be very clear and concise prior to tester selection. Oh - and having a variety with who they choose to test knit as well!
But yea, overall, I do think testers should be aware of what they are actually doing, which is helping a designer for little materialistic payoff, and with that in mind choosing test knits wisely! The intention behind why someone chooses to test knit a pattern will inevitably bleed into their work and experience doing a test. Those are my thoughts.
I think this is an interesting topic to bring up! Thanks for making this video.
I've test-knit many times....lol, and I don't really know why! Now I only do it if I have stash yarn that is appropriate. I find it discouraging for some designers to choose mostly podcasters for testing....when, really, it's a smart thing to do, as it gets them more exposure.
I’ve never considering test knitting based on experiences you’ve just discussed. I’d rather wait for a pattern release knowing it’s had most of its issues sorted. I remember buying a newly released pattern by a very famous designer only to find typo and errors. I want to knit patterns that are tested and use my yarn and make changes if I want 😊
you've mentioned ALL of the points that i've about with test knitting, it's the reason why i never signed up for one. the only reason why i would sign up for a test knit with the current way it's been done is if I get sponsored yarn, and if I get to keep the project and the final pattern in the end.
AND yarn companies not paying for pattern testers is A BIG NO!
Yeah honestly big yarn companies *especially* should not be taking advantage of people like that.
I ve never tested and never ll . I think designers are not looking for feedback but free marketing /advertisement . You should take great photos post instagram and/or mention in you podcast. All for free. I pass
Definitely! I think feedback and pictures are completely different. The pictures are what sells the pattern. For use of my pictures, I'd want to be paid, because they are what sells the pattern.
I agree with all your points. There will always be people who want free patterns - and are willing to give their time for that alone. The ONLY benefit I see to the test knitter is if they themselves want to become designers. Then to some degree, its a learning experience on the process and different styles of pattern instructions.
I’ve done two test knits. I enjoyed my first one more than the second. I think it’s because the pattern itself was something I was excited to wear in the end. The other one I wasn’t excited to wear and it just felt tedious towards the end. I had no desire to post photos of it or anything like that. It taught me to be more cautious with the test knits I apply for and think about how the finished project with serve my wardrobe.
I equate it to doing any type of volunteer work, same kind of self satisfaction and giving.
I haven’t test knit. I have test crochet but only for 1 designer and she is very open to feedback. I mean this is the whole purpose. And she gifts the pattern once it’s done and when she releases a book she gifts a couple signed.
I'm in some online knitting groups and I'm always amazed how many people rise their hands when someone asks for test knits. I never would gift so much time and work to a stranger. If I really want a new pattern, I happily will pay for it. Because it is exactly what I was looking for and not a something.
I've done a lot of test knits on Ravelry. I looove it ! But I admit that a good experience will depend on the designer. I only had one really bad test in over 5 years and simply avoided the designer after that.
I love test knitting. I don't mind the deadlines or have issues keeping to them, and i don't have pattern kind of money so i appreciate free patterns. I think it's a fun challenge to find and help solve errors.
I've had great test knitting experiences with hook mountain handmade and journey through yarn!!!
I also went into test knitting thinking I would get more community or friends out of it. Some test knitting groups don’t communicate at all which can feel very weird and isolating somehow.
Another pet peeve I have, is when the designer I am test knitting for doesn’t share my project/posts/story about their project. Idk if this is me being petty, but for me that kind of reflects a sort of appreciation. It felt incredibly rude to not have a single post shared by the designer. What do you think? Am I overreacting or can anyone relate?
I agree with a lot of what you said. I tested a few patterns which many of I really liked and that's why I have had applied on the first place. But in the process I came to conclussion that it is not worth my time and affort for many reasons (usually, not always). Main being that I have to knit to a pattern and it's not what I prefer to do and I am not always happy with the result.
I like testing patterns from designers whom patterns I've knitted befor and I trust them. I have a bigger chance that I will like a finished object. And I also like when you can choose one or two previous pattern in return for your hard work after test is finished.
Now I do tests only when I really love a sample garment and I know a designer.
did one test knit years ago, never did another one...not only did i end up having to pay for $130 in yarn she wanted me to the hand over the blanket without compensation to prove theres no errors and how good it looks....no thanks told her not happening unless i at least get paid for the yarn that i paid out of pocket......i burned the blanket...never again!! if im pissing away money ill do it my way!
I would never do test knits. You can not buy time. I agree with you on all your points. No one works for free. Keep your time for yourself!!!
I applied only once to do a test knit. I’ve been knitting for years and this was the first time I applied. The response I got was so rude, I was stunned. Although I stated my years experience knitting, I was treated like how dare I apply without having test knitted before for anyone else. I’ve never bought any of this designer’s products and patterns again. Nor will I. And have decided that knitting is my form of meditation. I don’t want the pressure of deadlines. So no test knitting for me.
I've always said I'd only test knit for a friend. But I don't have any friends who design patterns. If I did, I would test knit for them because I know whether or not they took my feedback, they'd at least hear it, and it would be a favor for a friend, not a business thing. Most designers can't afford to pay their testers but they should pay a tech editor before test knitter's and if they're using my pictures (which we know they would be), that I'd want to be paid for since those pictures are used to sell it. Just feedback feels completely different to using pictures.
I did one test crochet where the designer turned on me when I brought a mistake to her attention. I was not given the free corrected pattern as promised.
Test knitters are invaluable to both designers and future knitter purchasers. Usually test knitters are very accomplished knitters I guess they do it for love of knits and to learn more. Good to hear your side.
I've considered test knitting, but when i discovered that i was required to purchase ( what i consider to be) expensive yarn, i decided against it. It just doesn't make sense to me.
I would never consider test knitting... I do not need any extra deadlines in my life.
I have noticed some TH-cam knitters referring to and doing test knits. I had up to this, assumed the pattern designer supplied the wool 😮 I can't imagine agreeing to a deadline and adhering exactly to a pattern, (unless it was something very unusual or intricate or something that you really wanted) in which case you could just wait for the pattern release and knit it at your own pace. My thoughts are that within the world of knitters it's like a status thing.... 'Look at me I test knit for......' However, if it makes you feel good for whatever reason and that's enough of a pay off, well that's ok too. 😉
I test knitted for 2 designers in the past. One gave me the yarn to test knit with plus a copy of the finished hardback book and credited me in the pattern/book the other gave me the finished pattern. It’s very stressful and I don’t do it any more because knitting is my hobby I don’t want the stress.
I am a frequent test knitter and I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon, but the points you and issy raised definitely resonate with me, at least with some designers. There is one designer I’ve tested for a few times that I won’t anymore because her community is very cliquey and she only pays attention to the feedback her friends give, only reshares photos that her friends post, has slow communication, and usually forgets to send the finalized pattern.
I’ve thought your same thoughts-and have never test-knitted. What about the expense of your 21 tests-you didn’t mention the yarn you used for garments you might/might not like? That’s another deterrent for me. Second big deterrent: I realize one has to follow the pattern like a recipe-testing it. I’d have to modify! Thanks for your comments and insight.
I've never test knit, but I would only do it if the first item was knit in the yarn they sent me, and then they let me choose the yarn I want to make my own version with and gift it to me. Will work for yarn.
Otherwise, it might be fun to make items for a tv show or movie, IF I was paid a fair hourly wage and given enough time to complete the items without having to knit 17 hours a day.
Not tempted to test knit…. Like to do my own thing
As a small designer, that's my two cents. I don't expect much from test knitters, because I always clearly state that it is voluntary work. I don't promise rewards (but always offer one chosen pattern from my collection after the test knit), because I want to gather group of knitters that are actually interested in the design that they are testing and want the experience and final product. Most important thing for me that the knitter went through the pattern and gave a feedback, but they can choose whatever yarn, colors they want, can do whatever modifications they want (the more versions the better, imo!). I genuinly want knitters to wear the garment. And, if test knitter drops out - I am totally okay with it.
About the feedback: designers receive so much feedback and it is very valuable. But when doing final edits you have to still keep your integrity and evaluate every suggestion while being critical of your pattern and of that suggestion, because that is the thing with patterns (and designs) - you can't please everyone. I once had two comments about the same pattern, one being that pattern could be longer, some sections could be repeated so that knitters don't have to go back a few pages, another one being, that pattern could have been shorter. So yes, please don't be offended if some of your suggestions are not included in the final edit.
Why I think poeple test knit? Because they want to be part of that design and pattern publishing process, they want to learn new things, they need that push to finish the project if they tend to not finish things, it's fun, there is a big group of knitters making the same thing, so it's like a knitalong also, they want to "meet" the designer, they want to help and so on. It's not all about doing a huge favour for someone (though I am not saying it isn't a huge favour). But at the same time, test knits are definitely not for everyone.
Of course, all your feelings and experiences are valid, and I am sorry to hear that you are no longer interested in test knitting 😔To conclude, I am very grateful for my test knitters, but ultimately I think you should test knit (or just knit) for you rather than for someone else☺
I have never test knitted and don’t ever plan to. I think people do it for a “challenge”. It’s too bad that it is not rewarding as it should be, like a financial type. I knit because I love doing it, and I would never give that time away without being rewarded.
Test knitting can be attributed to being altruistic in a lot of cases. One has the resources and free time to test out a pattern for another person without the expectation of receiving something other than gratitude in return. Obviously this isn’t going to be something everyone would want to volunteer for, but it can be quite fulfilling for others.
i think that test knitting is for the greater good of the community (you volunteer to guid the community) cus think about how the community would be different if there weren't any test knitters, test knitting is so important and designers should not expolite knitter!
I'm well aware that there are people living off knitting profit, like selling patterns and designing, but knitting at its core is a slow labour and would never work when someone try to capitalise it.
I think the drive to test knit comes from having early access to a new design. I am done with test knitting.
Why did you do so many test knits?
Its the photoshoot for me. No thanks. So much work.
Free pattern, fine if I was really.enamoured by the design, deadline no problem, Im a mono knitter/crocheter and have to knit till its done. So theyd have to pay me for the photos basically because that is work I wouldnt be doing otherwise. I just take a picture of the thing on hanger or my feet or just folded on the table.
Yeah, personally I feel like asking for modelled photos is just too much to ask for free, or for a free pattern. I skip tests that have this as a requirement.
I thought test knitting was a cool way to be part of a project and get a free pattern and was lucky some designers were very patient with me as I was a very new knitter. I also liked the idea of the deadline, but realized it was making knitting less fun and somehow like a competition. I had a few good test knits, but some were frogged because the fit was just not for me. This was the main reason I stopped - the final product did not work at all and there weren't enough pictures to know ahead of knitting.
After a few good test knits, I decided to stop doing them. I like a free pattern, but the pay off was not worth it for me considering the hoops some designers make you jump through.. images on multiple platforms, videos, penalties, etc... all this for under $10? Not my experience, but I saw some red flags when applying.
There are designers who appreciate their test knitters, realistic with their expectations, and make this process worth it. If I were to test knit again, I'll go with designers who are sponsored and can provide yarn support - especially if it's a brand like Isager yarn. 😂
They should send you yarn and pay $200 towards the photoshoot IMO. Its a lot that they ask for free. One free pattern is an insult.
Ive seen designers on youtube with the same jumper knitted with four different yarns in the background, they obviously didntheir own testknits. Asking people to do it for a fiver is exploitative .
If new designers dont have the money then they can say thats the reason theyre not paying but they could still offer a several patterns in stead of cash...or is there some legal reason to not do that? Taxes and what not.
I think it's a little unfair to say that designers should have paid test knits, especially since we always complain (rightly so) about patterns not being size inclusive. Sure, you can grade them but the fit, as yourself said in the video, might need adjustment.
I agree with most of you other points, some of which clearly are personal: I think it's safe to say testpatterning (?? is that a word) isn't for you, but evidently a lot of people like it otherwise it wouldn't be a thing. If it makes you feel bad, 100% don't do it, this is a hobby that should bring joy.
On the subject of sometimes not being satisfied with the final project, well... it has happened to me even with tested patterns I have paid for
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I like testknitting for designers I know. I know what kind of patterns they write and what is the way they write patterns. I also have made big change with deadlines what those few designers use with their testknits.
I have knitted two testknit for two different designers I didn’t know and those were full disasters.
I only testknit patterns I would buy or knit anyway. So I get that pattern free. For me testknitting is not for money. I like finding flaws in patterns. I always first read the testknit pattern few times before even casting on. I usually do check put math in my size. I try to pick major flaws then. After reading pattern I give feedback to the designer. Many times I have picked up major thing then before other testknitters have knitted to that part.
I know I’m more advanced knitter with years of active knitting before starting testknits.
Testknitting is just one more hobby for me. I’m very very picky what I will testknit. I’m not in Instagram. I did get those two bad experiences in Yarn pool. I have only five or six designers I testknit for and I’m happy with this.
I know I’m one of the lucky ones with mostly good experiences with testknits.
I really enjoy test knitting as well for the same reasons that you do. I will admit that I use Yarnpond and so far it's been ok. I have a couple of designers that I have test knit for multiple times. I typically stick to the pattern. I don't necessarily knit the sweater in my size simply because I may not have enough of the yarn needed for the project in my stash. I have a large extended family so the garment always finds a home.
September 27, 2024: This is so alarming and disappointing. The idea of test knitting is a great idea. There was another knitter that posted awhile back that had the same thought. She noted some other mentions that her feedback was not taken in consideration instead either ghosted her or came back with a snarky result. To do 21 test knits and the stress of the deadline brings the joy of knitting out the door. Please do not change and continue here. We, your subscribers, especially me a novice, appreciate you.
Your talent and time is priceless. The reward should be a compensation from yarn, notions or maybe a cute tea cup to knitting bowl that is unique and of high quality. So sorry you receive such a negative experience. Never say you did something wrong. Your community is here. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
I've tested a lot, in crochet and started in knitting as well. The test knit was not a pleasant experience. I now only test knit for one person....her writing is clear, she always listens to suggestions etc.
I haven't test knit yet, but now there are 2 designers that I respect who I would consider test knitting for. I'm a larger lady and they need people of my size to be honest about the fit. Yet again, with my schedule I haven't had time. But it would only be because I want to help those 2 designers that try really hard to put out solid patterns.
I would never test knit. I don’t use patterns from others, I make my own. The idea of using unpaid „test knitters“ seems wrong to me. Try to get a car test driver (as done by Mercedes, BMW…) for free. -- The big problem is, skilled knitters aren’t valued. Obviously not even by most knitting „designers“. Even crochet, which can’t be done with a machine, is rather seen as a „housewife hobby“ than the fibre art it really is.
Its slavery. Women want to help eachother, but it ends up that you are just used.
Are you telling me that you have to provide the yarn … as well . I don’t use patterns at all, with my basic maths and a test square you can create something wonderful,I will see something say on Pinterest or just seeing someone wearing something great , then I will just try to make it out of my head….knitting for someone else with no thanks is ludicrous . Stop it now !!! life’s too short to do something for nothing. Anix🍓
I like to test knit if it's for a pattern that I would buy anyway (or if I can choose a pattern that I like in their shop) and if the deadline is feasible for me, 6 weeks to knit a sweater is not gonna happpen without me getting paid in cash or fancy yarn to knit the sweater. I think you need to set your wishes and boundaries and if these do not coincide with the description of the test knit just don't apply. I have not had any bad experiences with test knits, the feedback I have given or questions I have asked were always answered. Some feedback was incorporated into the final pattern, some was not but I have no problem with that since it is not my pattern to publish. I also haven't had any problems adjusting a pattern to have a good fit, such as a different border on socks or adjusting length of a sweater or sleeves. But I do choose my test knits very carefully 🙂 I do think large designers or companies should pay people to testknit their new patterns, but small or beginning designers have to start somewhere. If you want I can give you the names of the people I have testknit for maybe with them you will have a better experience.
I've done a few test knits off of the test knitting forums on Ravelry. Small things like hats and a dish cloth. In that respect, if you have the yarn, the pattern is likely to be well written, and the pattern is a few bucks I don't want to spend, sure I'll test knit. I like helping and it gives me motivation to post nice pictures on my Ravelry.
I might test knit a pattern that will be offered for free. No one is getting paid, including the designer. They're offering it for the community, and my size is more rare in the knitting community. So, helping out. (I did that once for a small pattern.)
Patterns where the designer has a lot of demands? Naw. I don't have time and whatever item it is, it's not worth THAT much of my time. I have a full queue of items I can knit.
The problem is, I've seen designers that want you to use expensive and hard to get yarns, and buy them yourself. The alternative yarns are also rare and expensive. So like... merino cashmere silk blend yarn, $30 a skein from some niche famous company, and I would need almost twice the amount as smaller sizes??? No.
But also, correction: patterns for shawls and sweaters often start at $8 (USD), and can go up to $12 or more nowadays. And with the popularity some of these "hot right now" designers have, they should be able to pay test knitters. Period.
What did designers do in the 1990s and earlier when they had a pattern they wanted to publish say, into a magazine? Did they really put out a call to a bunch of local knitter fans and ask them to knit a complex pattern for free, with their own yarn?
Luckily there are designers that are thinking this over and looking at hiring knitters they've worked with.
My dear oh dear… Yóu’ve got a lót going on in your head! You act almost as if you’ve been robbed. Make up your mind and just dó it of don’t. Have fun to do it, or not. Then don’t. Why should you bother anyone with your frustrations? 🤷♀️
Well actually she makes some very valid points, especially when you are test knitting for large well known yarn companies. I personally would never be a test knitter as I think most patterns usually are adapted for your own personal preferences by yourself. I don’t knit I crochet, however I usually find I adapt a pattern to suit my own style or ease of working. The only way you can actually have fun is designing your own pattern and knowing it is a one off and unique to you and gathering all the compliments.
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