It all helps if you disassociate oneself with unholy people like his old political masters. The present BJP is like a 100 times worst than congress in terms of corruption and institutional manipulation. Absolute hyenas and wolves in sheep’s clothing
My question to supreme court is why so many years this issue was kept lingering ? Was it to help BJP amass all this ill gotten wealth ? Very much shameful.
Dear sir, there was no action taken for a long time, because most of the ex chief justice of India are controlled by BJP and RSS completely, and that is the real fact.
"Justice delayed is justice denied". What is the use in banning the bonds after accumulating enough money by parties. We will never know who purchased the bonds. This is just like swis bank accounts, which are never disclosed to the public.
Modi promised to bring black money back from Swiss bank and distribute 15 lakhs to each citizen. Now BjP under Modi should distribute it to poor and needy if they are really true to his words
You know very little about the Swiss banks. They will always disclose the details to a court (under jurisdiction). Govt of India has rarely approached the Swiss courts. American citizens do not have any accounts in Swiss Banks numbered accounts (only numbered accounts are confidential except under a court order). US companies keep their money in tax havens where the tax is very low.
Justice delayed is justice denied in national herald corruption case? 😅pl ask S swami sitting there who is pursing such cases for a long time!? Even before, bond scheme, there was donations problem with all paties receiving money /donations corporates and other donors!? 😮
Same advocates support Emergency 75-77? 😅 some advocates have pak slogan raiser as their clients? Which advocate represents all criminal cases of atic ahmed, ajam khan, muktar ansari all alkeged part of Goonda raj? Who represents Goonda raj party in RS😅😅😅? Now such fake people speak about saving of democracy??? 😅😅? What a irony?
@@kannan0519 what's your point man....!! I didn't protest to any scam that doesn't implies i can't protest to other....and inc tmc all are benefitted... It's not an anti party thing now... It's the present condition of democracy...the sold out democracy..... Just how ironical. ! BJP also wins the scam with a large gap with second one and so on...
It is very good to see and hear this type of conversations which includes judges, lawyer, independent good people comes together and have meaningful conversation. Which given insight of what is happening. Please do more of this. Thanks.
What a beautiful conversation . Watching Kapil ji and Subramanian ji at the same stage is incredible. I think we need more like this where different intellectuals of different political parties or ideologies meet together at one stage and discuss important issues in the national interest. 👌🏻👍🏻. I hope to see such discussions more often.
All 6500 crores must be kept in reserve funds which will be under scrutiny under a all party committee members. The fund can be used only for the welfare of people such as education, health and sanitation issues.
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION. HATS OFF TO THE " WIRE".. THE PARTICIPANTS ARE ALL WELL RESPECTED PEOPLE, AND INDIANS APRICIATE EACH ONE OF THEM. BUT WE INDIANS FEEL THAT ALL THE MONEY RECEIVED BY ALL PARTIES IF IT IS ILLEGAL, THAN MUST BE RECOVERED. THAT IS THE TRUE JUSTICE. WE CAN NOT LEAVE IT LIKE " JANEDHO". THAN THERE IS NO JUSTICE DONE.
That should very much be possible. Now that the Supreme Court has judged the EB system to be unconstitutional, therefore the funds received through it are illegal. Illegally gotten wealth must be recovered.
@@mohanv88 why are you trying to put that everyone is guilty... Will you people ask at dinner doosron ke ghar mein kya khana bana? Ya fir apne ghar mein? we should ask The party in power or previous party! Mujhe pata hai kuch logon ko mirch lag rhi hai.. But galat ko galat bolna sikhlo for ur own good.
Now that Jaitley 's Electrol Bond has been termed as "illegal & unconstitutional"- shouldn't his statue & name be withdrawn from Delhi Cricket Stadium ??? Jaitely, A senior Lawyer of SC, did an Illegal UNCONSTITUTIONAL thing, certified by SUPREME COURT- what action , apart from lip service ?
Why everyone blame Jaitely whos no more. He wouldn’t have done this unconstitutional act without the consent of you know who. So let’s name the elephant in the room - yours truly, Modi
One of the best mature discussions ever heard by legal luminaries and distinguished persons, so charmingly and effectively discussed over a wide range of subjects, mainly the now defunct electoral bonds and the range of issues ideas and solutions already existing in the intellectual domain... Kapil Sibal moderated seamlessly ....no acrimony , no debate no heat generated only light shed on myriad complex issues and their constructs...hat tip to The Wire!
Thank you gentlemen for the frank discussion.. this kind of intellectual though provoking interaction is need for the young generation.. Thank you wire..
What a wonderful and knowledge sharing discussion amongst country's topmost intellectuals. Real problems of a democratic country raised and brain storming to find out solutions. A common man of this country has faith and believe that one day there will be solutions to these problems which will be implemented for the good of country as whole.
These emient people can save the Democratic values of India🇮🇳. They should come to one platform and decide, what is good for common mans economic and social development.
The Supreme Court should ask the BJP, that the amount that BJP already has should be equally distributed amongst all the existing parties if not, use it for education, farmers, healthcare, roads etc etc and a detailed report handed over to the Supreme Court of its use.
Anyway it is used to bribe the common man, day before the election?Public Money goes back to public, without party retaining it?A thinking of Honest, Bharatiya!? How else can you make stupid bharatiya to come to the polling booth? How many booths do we get, ninty five plus percentage of vote casters?
Thank you very much for starting this channel Sir. For us people who've stopped watching TV since the last five- six years, this is our only medium of staying informed.
We should've questioned the Authority/Administrators actions including the S.C's findings about another Big Ghaabla on P.M. CARE FUND supported by the Previous CJI MR.T.GAGOI now reigned in the Rajjyo Sabha MP Chair as gifts of the Century..ĶAPILJI should highlight some points on this issues....
This is the kind of discussion we have to see, such esteemed guest and the knowledge they have given to the common public is to be applauded, hope to see such beautiful discussion
But it is on pay roll of china😅? Nehru had banned it during china war 1962 ? 😅 what about alleged gold smuggling scandals/money laundering case in Exogic solution pvt case? Communist model😅😅😅?
Thanks to kapil sir. It is not only important to fight battle in court but also in public. For the voter like me know about government and courts and about judges. This is delayed justic.
A very good decision on Bonds declared illegal. The SC should be pleased to give further order so that the illegal bond money may not be misused on ensuing election.
Supreme court cares for the country constitution then they should take back that deposited amount and ask the corporate the accountability for this money.
Electoral Bonds का हो गया, PMCare का क्या? Electoral Bond से मिले सारे पार्टी को मिले सारे पैसे को इकठ्ठे जोडकर एक pool funds बनाया जाना चाहिए और फिर पार्टी को मिले वोट percentage के अनुपात में वो पैसे सब पार्टियों में बाट देने चाहिए
During CJI Bobde's term, who was a known Government bootlicker, a petition to bring PM-Cares under CAG audit failed in SC in 2020 as a three-judge bench comprising of 2 judges from Gujarat. I think a petition should be filed to bring it under RTI and question the legality of it as it cannot be a private fund when Government resources were used promoting it and it being outside RTI means it is similar to Electoral Bond.
Very much enlightening. I felt like I was actually listening to some WISE old people. Thanks to Sir. Kapil Sibal for the treat. Hope this call wakes up the Supreme Court of India to its obligations.
Intellectuals should strongly raise the voice against any authortian action of state power. Discussion among country distinguished personalities on very important issue including Kapil Sibbal ji, deserves all praise.
Awsome .. these type of debates among intellectuals have been surprisingly absent ( more likely deliberate avoidance ) from our public domain. This is how nation building happens and we applaud the efforts by The Wire to keep journalism and discussions going in hand with national interest. Jai hind..
A candid, brave, important conversation.... but will it be allowed to bring the change...is the question..... For such endeavours.... congratulations...
oh man... Kapil Sibal ,the man's knowledge,wisdom is just flowing... Hats off
😂😂😂
It all helps if you disassociate oneself with unholy people like his old political masters. The present BJP is like a 100 times worst than congress in terms of corruption and institutional manipulation. Absolute hyenas and wolves in sheep’s clothing
My question to supreme court is why so many years this issue was kept lingering ? Was it to help BJP amass all this ill gotten wealth ? Very much shameful.
Even we were debating the same... why the delay from Supreme court in such an important case.
SC was check mood of political party
@@neetuv5327what important
Before also same model to take funds 😂😂😂😂😂
Dear sir, there was no action taken for a long time, because most of the ex chief justice of India are controlled by BJP and RSS completely, and that is the real fact.
इस बार चुनाव ईवीएम से नहीं होनी चाहिए और चुनाव निष्पक्ष होना चाहिए और इलेक्शन कमीशन को भी निष्पक्ष होना चाहिए।
This kind of debate is certainly in the interest of our democracy!
But who's listening... Only a handful...
Nahak babu Kan hal communist party ra?
Bhala ta?
👍
I just ended up having a crush on Kapil Sibal. What an intellect.
Thank you for this delightful discussion @thewire
"Justice delayed is justice denied". What is the use in banning the bonds after accumulating enough money by parties. We will never know who purchased the bonds. This is just like swis bank accounts, which are never disclosed to the public.
Modi promised to bring black money back from Swiss bank and distribute 15 lakhs to each citizen. Now BjP under Modi should distribute it to poor and needy if they are really true to his words
You know very little about the Swiss banks. They will always disclose the details to a court (under jurisdiction). Govt of India has rarely approached the Swiss courts. American citizens do not have any accounts in Swiss Banks numbered accounts (only numbered accounts are confidential except under a court order). US companies keep their money in tax havens where the tax is very low.
Please listen to Sri Ramjetmalani's interviews on black money and swis accounts.
Would have done earlier, but these are right time for judiciary guidelines (wakeup people).
Justice delayed is justice denied in national herald corruption case? 😅pl ask S swami sitting there who is pursing such cases for a long time!? Even before, bond scheme, there was donations problem with all paties receiving money /donations corporates and other donors!? 😮
Thank you all for enlightening discussion.
Thanks Mr Kapil Sibal Indian freedom struggle was lead by advocates and again advocates have come as saviour of democracy
ya.....only that he did not do it against 2g & coal scamsters.....
Same advocates support Emergency 75-77? 😅 some advocates have pak slogan raiser as their clients? Which advocate represents all criminal cases of atic ahmed, ajam khan, muktar ansari all alkeged part of Goonda raj? Who represents Goonda raj party in RS😅😅😅? Now such fake people speak about saving of democracy??? 😅😅? What a irony?
@@kannan0519 what's your point man....!! I didn't protest to any scam that doesn't implies i can't protest to other....and inc tmc all are benefitted... It's not an anti party thing now... It's the present condition of democracy...the sold out democracy.....
Just how ironical. ! BJP also wins the scam with a large gap with second one and so on...
It is very good to see and hear this type of conversations which includes judges, lawyer, independent good people comes together and have meaningful conversation. Which given insight of what is happening.
Please do more of this. Thanks.
Donations to political parties must be very transparent.
There should be a limit..
Pappu servents 😂😂😂😂😂
In tengana and karanataka how much money spend Congress party we all knows 😂😂😂😂
Donations to political parties shall be bannd.
@@kshorts4k Bhai kitna salary h ? ,
@@kshorts4k aise hi puch rhe , normal it cell wala log ka kitna salary rhta
What a beautiful conversation . Watching Kapil ji and Subramanian ji at the same stage is incredible. I think we need more like this where different intellectuals of different political parties or ideologies meet together at one stage and discuss important issues in the national interest. 👌🏻👍🏻. I hope to see such discussions more often.
Illegal is always Illegal
😂😂😂😂😂😂
People's also take money that not illegal 😂😂😂
Not really so; modi can bring another ordinance tomorrow morning that can bypass the SC judgement. Legality is always time and space dependent.
So true
@janamsad truth but that's what happened i-dharmam
👍
Great valuable and historic discussion
All 6500 crores must be kept in reserve funds which will be under scrutiny under a all party committee members. The fund can be used only for the welfare of people such as education, health and sanitation issues.
Pappu servent 😂😂😂😂😂
You have in dreams 😂😂😂😂
2014 Congress get 4000 rs same model how ????
BJP isn't morally-idealistic. They don't need development.
Since Congress got money should RSS led BJP must amass money by deceiving people of INDIA ? Andhbhakts that is no logic.
😂😂😂
Good luck getting the money back, this is India, once taken no return policy
Absolute delight to watch all the gentlemen together.
An urgent nd strenuous action is required to be taken by the SC
Extremely insightful conversation.
Great conversation because it points out that there is much more to be done.
EXCELLENT DISCUSSION. HATS OFF TO THE " WIRE".. THE PARTICIPANTS ARE ALL WELL RESPECTED PEOPLE, AND INDIANS APRICIATE EACH ONE OF THEM. BUT WE INDIANS FEEL THAT ALL THE MONEY RECEIVED BY ALL PARTIES IF IT IS ILLEGAL, THAN MUST BE RECOVERED. THAT IS THE TRUE JUSTICE. WE CAN NOT LEAVE IT LIKE " JANEDHO". THAN THERE IS NO JUSTICE DONE.
Thank you, conversation not necessary, yet very essential !!!!
All said and done The Supreme Court, must ensure that the Electoral Bond Money- is recovered from all the Political Parties before the 2024 elections.
who the hell is SC to get hands on Pvt money .
Feel very sorry for you 😢
Ain't not possible
That should very much be possible. Now that the Supreme Court has judged the EB system to be unconstitutional, therefore the funds received through it are illegal. Illegally gotten wealth must be recovered.
@@somnathjha1958 just like national herald as well
Kapil sir, it's a very useful and serious discussion. All uour efforts will bring a healthy democracy in future. Thank you all.
All the best Sir 👍 👌
It is a pleasure to listen to these serious minded ,well informed , experienced people debating an important national issue.
Exactly I was thinking to comment but you wrote the comment already.
Great effort full power to you all lovely people out there keep rocking this planet 💯🙏👍🤘👌✌️👊💗🕊️✨
Thank you for this iconic piece of discussion ❤❤#Jai Hind
Swami has to open his mouth now, everything in BJP will be exposed. I hope
Both congress bjp are sponsered EVM. Together
@@mohanv88 why are you trying to put that everyone is guilty... Will you people ask at dinner doosron ke ghar mein kya khana bana? Ya fir apne ghar mein? we should ask The party in power or previous party! Mujhe pata hai kuch logon ko mirch lag rhi hai.. But galat ko galat bolna sikhlo for ur own good.
S y Qureshi is a biggest Modi bhakt , no doubt 😂
Not mouth. HIS MICROPHONE is OFF.
Swami sir your masked off .
2024 yudh is all about
Dharma VS Adharma
Swami sir took the side of Adharma .
Great discussion I appreciated all the members of this debate very understanding debate.
Thank you all 🙏
We need more discussions like this
Loved the intellectual discussions by the intellectuals of our nation. Would like to hear and learn more from you.
If this can not be returned then this money should be confiscated.
Yes
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Even if it's spent, it should be recovered by selling the property, assets.
Right away!
ED will be glad to confiscate it. Of course, you know where that will end up!
Thanks for interaction.
Very good debate 👌 👏
What a wonderful panel of experts !! Best in the Business.
Now that Jaitley 's Electrol Bond has been termed as "illegal & unconstitutional"- shouldn't his statue & name be withdrawn from Delhi Cricket Stadium ???
Jaitely, A senior Lawyer of SC, did an Illegal UNCONSTITUTIONAL thing, certified by SUPREME COURT- what action , apart from lip service ?
Perhaps we should now call him Jhooth Li.
Funny thing is they will put all blame on Jaitely but other senior leaders of bjp should be blamed as well.
@@DPPaul-x8p
That was always there.... Since he became a LIAR ....(lawyer😜)
Why everyone blame Jaitely whos no more. He wouldn’t have done this unconstitutional act without the consent of you know who. So let’s name the elephant in the room - yours truly, Modi
@@udennyn Jai Italy did it
New found love for Mr Swami by sibbal saab and the wire
That’s because Mr swami is fearless and honest,Sibal has always be civil even with opponents 😊
Also Sibal is no longer with any party
All.The.Best.Sar.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
One of the best mature discussions ever heard by legal luminaries and distinguished persons, so charmingly and effectively discussed over a wide range of subjects, mainly the now defunct electoral bonds and the range of issues ideas and solutions already existing in the intellectual domain...
Kapil Sibal moderated seamlessly ....no acrimony , no debate no heat generated only light shed on myriad complex issues and their constructs...hat tip to The Wire!
Good to hear the right discussion in democratic country.
Thank you gentlemen for the frank discussion.. this kind of intellectual though provoking interaction is need for the young generation..
Thank you wire..
Wow amazing conversation.
Very good conversation..love❤️❤️
इस तरह की सार्थक चर्चा हिन्दी में हो तो भारत में ज्यादा लोगों तक पहुंच सकती है और ज्यादा लोगों को समझ आ सकती है।
I have requested the same.
What an Interview ❤❤ what a wonderful discussion... 👏👏
Fantastic disscussion
An important debate Kapil ji thanks again
Wow, itane bade bade well knowledgeable intelligent persons at one stage.. amazing
Most informative and valuable discussion I have seen in recent years. Thanks.
What a wonderful and knowledge sharing discussion amongst country's topmost intellectuals. Real problems of a democratic country raised and brain storming to find out solutions. A common man of this country has faith and believe that one day there will be solutions to these problems which will be implemented for the good of country as whole.
Very crucial discussion
These emient people can save the Democratic values of India🇮🇳.
They should come to one platform and decide, what is good for common mans economic and social development.
The Supreme Court should ask the BJP, that the amount that BJP already has should be equally distributed amongst all the existing parties if not, use it for education, farmers, healthcare, roads etc etc and a detailed report handed over to the Supreme Court of its use.
Anyway it is used to bribe the common man, day before the election?Public
Money goes back to public, without party retaining it?A thinking of Honest, Bharatiya!? How else can you make stupid bharatiya to come to the polling booth?
How many booths do we get, ninty five plus percentage of vote casters?
Good point, thank you for excellent discussions !!!!
Thank you very much for starting this channel Sir. For us people who've stopped watching TV since the last five- six years, this is our only medium of staying informed.
अफसोस Honorable CJI साहब की कथनी-करनी में जमीन आसमान का अंतर है, कहते कुछ और है फ़ैसले उसके उल्टा करते है?
Yes
It's known fact and believe in common man that what ever Honourable CJI & Modi says in public does opposite to that in theirs descision 😁
Very interesting program and conversation.
We are proud of you Saheb Kapil Sibbal Ji, !!
Great Approach for awakening the India & Indian by Respected Kapil Sir.
We should've questioned the Authority/Administrators actions including the S.C's findings about another Big Ghaabla on P.M. CARE FUND supported by the Previous CJI MR.T.GAGOI now reigned in the Rajjyo Sabha MP Chair as gifts of the Century..ĶAPILJI should highlight some points on this issues....
This is the kind of discussion we have to see, such esteemed guest and the knowledge they have given to the common public is to be applauded, hope to see such beautiful discussion
AGAIN THE QUESTION OF IMPECCABLE INTEGRITY, WHERE TO FIND, HOW TO FIND SO MANY APPREHENSIONS.
let's remember the character n integrity of Dr. B.R.Ambedkar as deciple of Buddha
All saints,sages n thier virtues
Very good discussion on the present scenario and it is necessary to uphold truth and character.
correct. illegal money should be recovered because its urne by illegal way.
It is awaring us. Thanks.
Good discussion with highly intellectual persons. We need more like this.
Intellectual 😅😅😅😅😅
They Librandu not intellectuals😅😅😅😅
@@utkarshchauhan8699 abcd community ke member rato nahib k
@@utkarshchauhan8699correct sir 😂😂😂😂😂
Before same model to donate money to partyes 😂😂😂
Badly needed somebody to discuss these
EBs are declared illegal then is it possible to freeze that money.
Excellent Excellent Excellent... ✔️💯
CPM is the only party refused to accept these BOND money.
But it is on pay roll of china😅? Nehru had banned it during china war 1962 ? 😅 what about alleged gold smuggling scandals/money laundering case in Exogic solution pvt case? Communist model😅😅😅?
Cpm, cpi, etc are on pay roll of China? China money? China agents? Nehru had banned communists in 1962 China war 😆 you know why😄?
@@Arjun21853 there is no scandals like under UPA 2004-14 to talk 😀
Great discussion.
All tv debates should learn
They are bought by corporate houses to hide it.
Thanks to kapil sir. It is not only important to fight battle in court but also in public. For the voter like me know about government and courts and about judges. This is delayed justic.
I do appreciate to all of you for such important discussion.
Swamyji looked like a spectator in the discussion😅😮.
He will tweet his opinion later
@@DarthVaderNGC936 waiting for his reply.👍
Appreciate the conversation
A very good decision on Bonds declared illegal. The SC should be pleased to give further order so that the illegal bond money may not be misused on ensuing election.
Much needed awareness!! Thank you for the panel and the channel 👏 keep up the good work
Thanks to Wire & Kapil Sibal bring this important debate to the notice of public knowledge.
Supreme court cares for the country constitution then they should take back that deposited amount and ask the corporate the accountability for this money.
Very beautiful, serious,interesting and eye opening discussion.
If electoral bonds unconstitutional illegal..why not the money received by bjp & other political parties be recovered
Glad that someone is having a civil n intellectual discussion across the political spectrum. Keep up the good work plz.
Electoral Bonds का हो गया, PMCare का क्या?
Electoral Bond से मिले सारे पार्टी को मिले सारे पैसे को इकठ्ठे जोडकर एक pool funds बनाया जाना चाहिए और फिर पार्टी को मिले वोट percentage के अनुपात में वो पैसे सब पार्टियों में बाट देने चाहिए
During CJI Bobde's term, who was a known Government bootlicker, a petition to bring PM-Cares under CAG audit failed in SC in 2020 as a three-judge bench comprising of 2 judges from Gujarat. I think a petition should be filed to bring it under RTI and question the legality of it as it cannot be a private fund when Government resources were used promoting it and it being outside RTI means it is similar to Electoral Bond.
This a great idea,
Yes it should be done immediately.
Why should it be distributed among parties. It should be returned to all Indian citizens back by giving more education centres hospitals etc
Beautiful debate 👍👍
Outstanding judgement of SC headed by Hon ( Present) CJI who is to be saluted first.
Very much enlightening. I felt like I was actually listening to some WISE old people. Thanks to Sir. Kapil Sibal for the treat.
Hope this call wakes up the Supreme Court of India to its obligations.
Intellectuals should strongly raise the voice against any authortian action of state power. Discussion among country distinguished personalities on very important issue including Kapil Sibbal ji, deserves all praise.
Awsome .. these type of debates among intellectuals have been surprisingly absent ( more likely deliberate avoidance ) from our public domain. This is how nation building happens and we applaud the efforts by The Wire to keep journalism and discussions going in hand with national interest. Jai hind..
2024 yudh is all about Dharma VS Adharma
Swami sir has showed his true face .
He took the side of Adharma.
आप से निवेदन है की इस तरह के महत्वपूर्ण चर्चा को अगर संभव हो तो हिन्दी भाषा मे रखा जाय ताकि अधिकतम लोग देख सके।
Mr. Sibbal right , illegal transactions should no perpetuate, entire amount be restored back to appropriate authority .
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So which party is gomestnpls tell me 😂😂😂😂
Kapila.sibal honest ????
People's also not honest they take money from all.parties 😂😂😂
Great discussion by great people.
Wonderful. discussion kappil sir
We heartily appreciate such intelligent honest meaningful discussion.
Good judgement good discussiion
Yes, let us all really salute present CJI fm the bottom of our heart for this vital judgement.
A great discussion by knowledgeable geniuses, the democracy not only needs to be saved but also needs to be nourished well.
very good show, enlightening and kapil sibbal conducts with erudition n depth
A candid, brave, important conversation.... but will it be allowed to bring the change...is the question.....
For such endeavours.... congratulations...
An excellent discussion!! Wish more such civilized discussions are held to educate the people. Thank you all the eminent participants.
Best Minds... Good Job... "Wire"
Good job sir 👍
Delighted to hear Retd Justice Lokur opinions.
Great discussion of national importance. All participants are very highly morale .salute to all.