Thank you so much for creating this video! We really appreciate everyone who takes the time to share their experience and help the community better understand the FeatherLight 700 Alcohol Cooking System and its advantages. One thing we noticed is that during assembly, the connector tabs weren’t fully slid along to the end of the T-slot. This step is essential to ensure proper stability and performance of the cone. Just also a small clarification regarding efficiency and effectiveness: Efficiency: This is all about clean combustion (enough oxygen to fully burn the fuel) and how heat is transferred to the pot. A clean pot after cooking is a great indicator of efficient burning. Efficiency focuses on saving fuel rather than just faster heating. Effectiveness: This is about achieving quick boil times or heating results, which you measured well in your test. Both are important, and your video does a great job showcasing the system! Cheers, Wildside Adventures Team
Great insights Wallace! 🔥 You really highlight the key differences in these stoves for anyone gearing up for ultralight backpacking. Big thanks for sharing your expertise!
Really good comparison Everyone will have their preferred option But I think no matter what people prefer I think it’s great that people are making the effort to design and produce equipment that none of the big brands would bother making
Good comparison review, informative & no bias, I was wondering what the featherlite was like, you have answered my Questions 👍 I swap between a speedster border kit for short weekend hikes but prefer my trail designs sidewinder ti-tri for longer multi day hikes. I just think the featherlite is too fiddly when I can get the same outcome with the sidewinder.
Cheers mate, to be honest they all do the same job at the end of the day but it’s down to user preference. I wouldn’t change my setup now to another alcohol setup.
The speedster is ironically slower Robin but comes up the rankings fast for sturdiness. I had that down almost from the start. Good comparison. All the best up there. Mark
Nice one Robin , a good comparison between the two stoves . Like you , i've used the speedster set up for a years now . The Featherlite cone does look a bit faffy putting it together ..I actually just bought the border raider kit a few weeks back ...good video mate ..cheers Stevie
Brilliant Robin. I made a titanium shield/stand for my titan pot some years back. The offering from Xboil is almost identical, at least conceptually. Now you have given weights and times on these, I'll need to see how my set up compares. Regards price, I cant remember what the materials cost me, but it was back when the Titan pot was eye wateringly expensive. Apart from that all minimal differences, but all good fun.
Cheers Andy, think I’d be tempted by the X-Boil if I was in the market for a new stove setup. If you do a test, let me know the results. 🔥 I should attempt a DIY effort as there’s plenty tutorials on here.
I supported the kickstarter campaign for the Wildside Adventures cone and stove. I've yet to use it in the wild but it's pretty easy to slot together in my experience, I slot them both together at the same time then do the tabs at the end. Works fine for me 👍
Bit disappointed in mine. Pain in the arse to put together and although I paid for the full kit I didn’t get the burner. Had the speedster stove anyway.
Fair comparison. I'd say that with a lot more use you'd become pretty adept at putting the cone together. I've seen a couple of other outdoor YT's who use cone systems and they put them together in seconds. The Featherlight system isn't cheap but it is more of a bespoke product, engineered really well and weighs next to nowt in your backpack. ATB
Totally agree with you, you’d definitely get the knack after a few uses and the time spent developing is second to none but my only concern is the Featherlight system won’t take a beating over a prolonged time.
Hi Robin, Enjoyed video! I have a question to ask, would a alcohol stove work inside a baked beans can? Or does the alcohol stove need oxygen to work, I have a few foldable wind shields but a tin can would be a perfect wind break! If it would work can you do a time trial! Cheers Robin, kind regards Mark!
Hey Mark, I’m not sure that would work tbh. It would be quite narrow, tall and not very stable. Whereas the stoves in this video are really stable and secure once water is added. A windbreak from Speedsters is pretty cheap. 🤔
A good comparison video , But there was a glaring mistake. Efficiency is nothing to do with how fast it takes to boil, but rather how much fuel the system uses to boil a certain amount of water. What you were calling efficiency was actually just the boil time. Which is a different metric. The only way of testing the efficiency would be to weigh the stoves including the fuel you put in them before you put them and also after you sniffed them, to see how much fuel they used to do the boil. I'd still prefer a cone system, but the Speedster might actually be the more efficient setup. But you haven't measured that. I suspect they are similar efficiency, as I've used Cones for 15 years, and also bought a Speedster to compare, some years back.
I understand and agree with what you're saying and if I added to the test; weighing each burner before and after the test this would have made the results more conclusive. However, whilst the test wasn't totally scientific, the boil time surely goes hand in hand with efficiency as we were not comparing apples and pears here but two very similar 30ml spill proof burners with the same amount and type of fuel.
They are probably not far apart in efficiency. But It is absolutely incorrect to say that the faster one is the more efficient. If two cars drove somewhere and one got there faster, would you say that it used less fuel than the one that got there afterwards? It might have, but with two similar cars, It's very unlikely. We all know if we drive faster our cars mpg drops - I.e it's less efficient. It's as simple as that.
Hi Ben, it’s the Rock Front Nord jacket. I did a short vid a few weeks ago. Due them a review at some point. th-cam.com/users/shorts5f2mAtNdbYo?feature=share
Interesting stuff Robin. I've got both the Speedster and my own DIY split cone. I like that I can fit the cone inside my pot for transport and it's a bit lighter. However the Speedster is quicker and less fiddly to set up, especially with cold fingers. So, there's a place for both in the kit cupboard! PS I like the look of the new Speedster, I've got the old silver one with the "pin" rather than the press studs. You've got to be careful not to lose the pin, I wonder if the new version is as secure. One thing to think about regarding efficiency - did the cone boil water faster because it concentrated the heat onto the pan rather than losing heat to the environment, or did it burn hotter using more fuel? You could test that by weighing the burners, fill them with precisely the same amount of fuel then extinguish them as soon as the first pot boils and weigh them again. That would show which had used used most fuel. That's if you could be bothered! 😂 ATB, Dave
Cheers Dave, There’s definitely pros and cons to both. Down to what the expectation is I guess. I’ve got the pin version too, never lost the pin, that would be awkward. Do you feed it in from the top or bottom? Kev asked me as he’s seen some people secure the pin from below, whereas we do it from the top. Ironically someone else mentioned efficiency vs boil time being different. I’m assuming that the two burners being very similar in size and capacity would burn the very similar. My friend has sold the stove so I can’t revisit it 😆
@@WalkWithWallace Never thought to put the pin in from the bottom, I always do it from the top. Can't see why you'd put it in from below, you're probably more likely to drop it if it's in from the bottom. I doubt there's much in it regarding efficiency. I reckon I need 15ml fuel to boil 500ml of water on both versions.
Speedster stove for me, I've got his original one. I've used it for 8 years now and the guy who makes them is quite local to me and has sometimes delivered the odd bit of kit to me.. What I saw in this vid is the minute it took to set up to boiling point the 700 equals the time of the speedster stove Set up to boiling point ATB Daz
He’s a good lad, always helpful. I could probably get my time down to put the 700 together, but a minute or so isn’t important to me as I do things in the tent as it boils.
I’ve got a speedster stove and I take it on all my wildcamps. I’ll be sticking with it as £99 for the featherlight is a bit steep. I do like its design though.
The Featherlite is very similar to the Stormin Norman Cones, unfortunately no longer available. Another alternative would be the Vesuv cone as it’s a one piece design and easier to assemble.
Yeah, Norman sadly passed away a few years ago. I liked the look of the rivets for the upper part to rest on. Not sure how easy it is to rivet titanium. 🤷🏻 I’ll check out Vesuv, as there’s X-Boil too.
Have you watched Tetkoba's channel on DIY pepsi/coke/soda can stoves? Some of his stove designs are beautiful! Check out his "easy capillary hoop stove" of ECHS. It can boil 350 ml in 4 minutes! It's a bit fiddly to follow his instructions but it's worth perservering. After a couple of attempts I made a stove that boiled water in about 4 minutes 20 seconds. 😄
Gave him a sub, hadn’t heard of him before but I once had to make a makeshift stove out of a can when I forgot my burner. Lucky someone left a can in the bothy.
Nice comparison, the pot diameter massively comes into play as the featherlite is 20% wider helping with quicker boil time , would be good to put a X boil into the mix Hit me up if you want me to organise that as I sell them Atb Col Outdoor Gear Essentials
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Thank you so much for creating this video! We really appreciate everyone who takes the time to share their experience and help the community better understand the FeatherLight 700 Alcohol Cooking System and its advantages.
One thing we noticed is that during assembly, the connector tabs weren’t fully slid along to the end of the T-slot. This step is essential to ensure proper stability and performance of the cone.
Just also a small clarification regarding efficiency and effectiveness:
Efficiency: This is all about clean combustion (enough oxygen to fully burn the fuel) and how heat is transferred to the pot. A clean pot after cooking is a great indicator of efficient burning. Efficiency focuses on saving fuel rather than just faster heating.
Effectiveness: This is about achieving quick boil times or heating results, which you measured well in your test.
Both are important, and your video does a great job showcasing the system!
Cheers,
Wildside Adventures Team
Thank you taking the time to offer constructive feedback. 🔥 👍🏻
Great insights Wallace! 🔥 You really highlight the key differences in these stoves for anyone gearing up for ultralight backpacking. Big thanks for sharing your expertise!
@@Danilyn_Livao thank you ☺️ 🔥
@@WalkWithWallace You're welcome! Keep sharing your incredible contents! 🙂
Really good comparison
Everyone will have their preferred option
But I think no matter what people prefer I think it’s great that people are making the effort to design and produce equipment that none of the big brands would bother making
Thanks Stevie and totally agree. Like a bit of cottage gear.
Good comparison review, informative & no bias, I was wondering what the featherlite was like, you have answered my Questions 👍 I swap between a speedster border kit for short weekend hikes but prefer my trail designs sidewinder ti-tri for longer multi day hikes. I just think the featherlite is too fiddly when I can get the same outcome with the sidewinder.
Cheers mate, to be honest they all do the same job at the end of the day but it’s down to user preference. I wouldn’t change my setup now to another alcohol setup.
The speedster is ironically slower Robin but comes up the rankings fast for sturdiness. I had that down almost from the start. Good comparison. All the best up there. Mark
Thanks Mark and agreed. The Speedster is easier to work with. Hope all is good down in Hereford mate.
@@WalkWithWallace A pleasure Robin - I may get the speedster when I'm back out. Me? Yeah getting fitter.
Nice one Robin , a good comparison between the two stoves . Like you , i've used the speedster set up for a years now . The Featherlite cone does look a bit faffy putting it together ..I actually just bought the border raider kit a few weeks back ...good video mate ..cheers Stevie
Cheers Stevie, the BR kit will see you right mate. Kev’s got one too.🔥
Brilliant Robin.
I made a titanium shield/stand for my titan pot some years back. The offering from Xboil is almost identical, at least conceptually. Now you have given weights and times on these, I'll need to see how my set up compares. Regards price, I cant remember what the materials cost me, but it was back when the Titan pot was eye wateringly expensive. Apart from that all minimal differences, but all good fun.
Cheers Andy, think I’d be tempted by the X-Boil if I was in the market for a new stove setup. If you do a test, let me know the results. 🔥
I should attempt a DIY effort as there’s plenty tutorials on here.
I just drop the top on the base of the Featherlight and it always just slots together. Think trying to do all the tabs individually is the issue
I think you’re probably right, also someone else mentioned they click it together first then do the tabs to create the cone last. Makes sense.
Speedster for me Robin! Simplicity is key with these items and at half the price i can wait an extra minute 😊 Paul
Cheers Paul and I concur. I’mm usually doing tent admin as it boils. Hope you’re good mate since the dust has settled on your Munro completion.
@WalkWithWallace all good mate! Been out a lot and enjoying leaving the camera. Good to take a wee break from filming 👍👍👍👍
@ nice one mate, yeah I enjoy occasionally not filming a trip too.
I supported the kickstarter campaign for the Wildside Adventures cone and stove. I've yet to use it in the wild but it's pretty easy to slot together in my experience, I slot them both together at the same time then do the tabs at the end. Works fine for me 👍
Good shout mate, I did wonder if there was a knack and or I was all fingers and thumbs.
@@WalkWithWallaceit's still a bit tricky sometimes, there is also the ever present threat of cutting your fingers! 😂😱
Haha, aye extra care required particularly when you’re proper Hank Marvin in a rush 😄
Bit disappointed in mine. Pain in the arse to put together and although I paid for the full kit I didn’t get the burner. Had the speedster stove anyway.
@@davidgidman7561glad I’m not the only one who finds it fiddly. If you contact them I’m sure they’ll post out a burner for you.
Fair comparison. I'd say that with a lot more use you'd become pretty adept at putting the cone together. I've seen a couple of other outdoor YT's who use cone systems and they put them together in seconds. The Featherlight system isn't cheap but it is more of a bespoke product, engineered really well and weighs next to nowt in your backpack. ATB
Totally agree with you, you’d definitely get the knack after a few uses and the time spent developing is second to none but my only concern is the Featherlight system won’t take a beating over a prolonged time.
Hi Robin, Enjoyed video! I have a question to ask, would a alcohol stove work inside a baked beans can? Or does the alcohol stove need oxygen to work, I have a few foldable wind shields but a tin can would be a perfect wind break! If it would work can you do a time trial! Cheers Robin, kind regards Mark!
Hey Mark, I’m not sure that would work tbh. It would be quite narrow, tall and not very stable. Whereas the stoves in this video are really stable and secure once water is added. A windbreak from Speedsters is pretty cheap. 🤔
@@WalkWithWallace Hi Robin will you try it for me! A tin can would be a great wind barrier with a pot sitting on top! Cheers Mark!
I think I’ll pass. You’d have to figure out a way for the flame to breathe as well once your pot is placed on top. Sounds like a fire hazard 😆
A good comparison video , But there was a glaring mistake. Efficiency is nothing to do with how fast it takes to boil, but rather how much fuel the system uses to boil a certain amount of water.
What you were calling efficiency was actually just the boil time. Which is a different metric.
The only way of testing the efficiency would be to weigh the stoves including the fuel you put in them before you put them and also after you sniffed them, to see how much fuel they used to do the boil.
I'd still prefer a cone system, but the Speedster might actually be the more efficient setup. But you haven't measured that. I suspect they are similar efficiency, as I've used Cones for 15 years, and also bought a Speedster to compare, some years back.
I understand and agree with what you're saying and if I added to the test; weighing each burner before and after the test this would have made the results more conclusive.
However, whilst the test wasn't totally scientific, the boil time surely goes hand in hand with efficiency as we were not comparing apples and pears here but two very similar 30ml spill proof burners with the same amount and type of fuel.
Are you always this boring, or did you make a special effort on this one?. Anyone who is interested in using stoves knows what Robin meant.
They are probably not far apart in efficiency. But It is absolutely incorrect to say that the faster one is the more efficient. If two cars drove somewhere and one got there faster, would you say that it used less fuel than the one that got there afterwards? It might have, but with two similar cars, It's very unlikely. We all know if we drive faster our cars mpg drops - I.e it's less efficient. It's as simple as that.
@@Belbury101 thanks for replying 👍🏻
@Belbury101 Gimme an hour, I'm off for another sleep after reading your latest post.
What's down jacket are you wearing the the first shot please?
Hi Ben, it’s the Rock Front Nord jacket. I did a short vid a few weeks ago. Due them a review at some point.
th-cam.com/users/shorts5f2mAtNdbYo?feature=share
Speedster for me, why change when I’m more than happy, cheap as chips too , cracking stove 👌
💯 mate, a 1 litre bottle of bioethanol last me ages 🔥
Speedster
I had a screen made for my Trangia 27 pots and kettle
Excellent setup
Also minimal heat loss at the sides
Gary is good that way. He’s made a bespoke windscreen for one of wider MSR pots that I occasionally use.
Interesting stuff Robin.
I've got both the Speedster and my own DIY split cone.
I like that I can fit the cone inside my pot for transport and it's a bit lighter.
However the Speedster is quicker and less fiddly to set up, especially with cold fingers. So, there's a place for both in the kit cupboard!
PS I like the look of the new Speedster, I've got the old silver one with the "pin" rather than the press studs. You've got to be careful not to lose the pin, I wonder if the new version is as secure.
One thing to think about regarding efficiency - did the cone boil water faster because it concentrated the heat onto the pan rather than losing heat to the environment, or did it burn hotter using more fuel? You could test that by weighing the burners, fill them with precisely the same amount of fuel then extinguish them as soon as the first pot boils and weigh them again. That would show which had used used most fuel.
That's if you could be bothered! 😂
ATB, Dave
Cheers Dave,
There’s definitely pros and cons to both. Down to what the expectation is I guess.
I’ve got the pin version too, never lost the pin, that would be awkward. Do you feed it in from the top or bottom? Kev asked me as he’s seen some people secure the pin from below, whereas we do it from the top.
Ironically someone else mentioned efficiency vs boil time being different. I’m assuming that the two burners being very similar in size and capacity would burn the very similar. My friend has sold the stove so I can’t revisit it 😆
@@WalkWithWallace Never thought to put the pin in from the bottom, I always do it from the top. Can't see why you'd put it in from below, you're probably more likely to drop it if it's in from the bottom.
I doubt there's much in it regarding efficiency. I reckon I need 15ml fuel to boil 500ml of water on both versions.
No, I’ll stick to pinning from the top. 😂
Yeah I’d use about 15ml but probably 20ml in winter.
Speedster stove for me, I've got his original one. I've used it for 8 years now and the guy who makes them is quite local to me and has sometimes delivered the odd bit of kit to me..
What I saw in this vid is the minute it took to set up to boiling point the 700 equals the time of the speedster stove
Set up to boiling point
ATB Daz
He’s a good lad, always helpful.
I could probably get my time down to put the 700 together, but a minute or so isn’t important to me as I do things in the tent as it boils.
Nice one Robin.......Gas!
@@Fellmandave1 cheers Dave, but alcohol for the win 😜
I’ve got a speedster stove and I take it on all my wildcamps. I’ll be sticking with it as £99 for the featherlight is a bit steep. I do like its design though.
If you’ve already got a Speedsters or similar, I don’t see the point in changing unless you’re moving to gas. 🤷🏻
We all like shiny new kit though 😂and I do like the way it folds away into the pot.
That’s true. I do like a new pot. 🫡
Nice comparison vid bud. Moan the Speedster. 🔥
Cheers mate 🔥
The Featherlite is very similar to the Stormin Norman Cones, unfortunately no longer available. Another alternative would be the Vesuv cone as it’s a one piece design and easier to assemble.
Yeah, Norman sadly passed away a few years ago. I liked the look of the rivets for the upper part to rest on. Not sure how easy it is to rivet titanium. 🤷🏻 I’ll check out Vesuv, as there’s X-Boil too.
Speedster for me. I use it with a foil windscreen and it does me well.
Ideal mate, that’ll keep the weight down even more.
@@WalkWithWallaceAye, I use the speedster wire tripod. Don't have to rely on a specific windshield.
Think I'll stick with my MSR DragonFly.
That’s a decent bit of kit to be fair!
Have you watched Tetkoba's channel on DIY pepsi/coke/soda can stoves? Some of his stove designs are beautiful! Check out his "easy capillary hoop stove" of ECHS. It can boil 350 ml in 4 minutes! It's a bit fiddly to follow his instructions but it's worth perservering. After a couple of attempts I made a stove that boiled water in about 4 minutes 20 seconds. 😄
Gave him a sub, hadn’t heard of him before but I once had to make a makeshift stove out of a can when I forgot my burner. Lucky someone left a can in the bothy.
Nice comparison, the pot diameter massively comes into play as the featherlite is 20% wider helping with quicker boil time , would be good to put a X boil into the mix
Hit me up if you want me to organise that as I sell them
Atb
Col
Outdoor Gear Essentials
Cheers mate, do the X-Boils come in different sizes depending on pot or do you buy a full kit?
@ they come in different sizes depending on which pot , but you can also use a wider pan on top of any of them as well
I’ll have a look mate.
Cheek out greencraft make your Owen super light upstand and wind shield
Found him, will have a look. 🔥
Speedster all day long mate, that cone looks a pain in the hole!!!!!😊😊😊
I’m sure you’d get used to the cone after a few shots, but I’m sticking with Speedsters.
was a hiking channel now selling crap . lol . unsubscribe
Give over, he's not selling anything, it's a review 🙄
lol, bit sensitive Geoff. Nobody is forcing you to watch the reviews. Cheerio 👋🏼