If I could only have ONE camping stove for all my backpacking trips
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 มิ.ย. 2024
- Check out my 3 day lightweight backpacking gear setup • Backpacking gear | Wha...
Or which tent I would have if I could only keep one • If I could only have O...
Get Surfshark VPN at Surfshark.deals/PAULMESSNER and enter promo code PAULMESSNER for 83% off and 4 extra months for FREE! until BLACK FRIDAY
If I could only have ONE camping stove for all my backpacking trips
Please check out my website and help keep the channel going. Leave no trace T-shirts, hiking wear and more. www.messner.co.uk/
Stoves shown in this video:
Jetboil Minimo geni.us/JETBOIL (amazon link)
MSR pocket rocket stove geni.us/MSR-ROCKET (amazon link)
SOTO Windmaster Stove geni.us/SOTO_STOVE (amazon link)
Trangia Stove geni.us/trangia_alcohol_burner (amazon link)
Bush box Trangia stand amzn.to/36X7g8l (amazon link)
Trangia Triangle www.outdoorgear.co.uk/Trangia...
Storming Stoves www.storminstovesystems.co.uk
Budget Stove amzn.to/2IRYYqu (amazon link)
Clothing worn:
Goretex Jacket geni.us/RabZenith (amazon link)
Hiking Trousers geni.us/MontaneTerra (amazon link)
Waterproof over-trousers amzn.to/3kxtbHW (amazon link)
Hiking Boots geni.us/ScarpaSL (amazon link)
Gaiters geni.us/Gaiters (amazon link)
Baseball cap www.messner.co.uk/messner-clo...
Rab Fuse Jacket (now Downpour) amzn.to/3f3r9hJ (amazon link)
Paramo Jackets www.paramo-clothing.com/en-gb...
Drybag alpkit.com/collections/dry-ba...
Gloves www.decathlon.co.uk/p/adult-s...
Before you go wild camping, please check the laws in your area as you may be trespassing if you camp or pitch your tent without permission to do so.
More info here: • CAMPING for beginners ...
As requested by many of you. Thank you, it's much appreciated...here's how you buy me a coffee www.buymeacoffee.com/PaulMessner
Link to my Facebook Page and Group with loads of helpful advice and a great community.
/ paulme55ner
Camping gear I use:
(The Best Quilt) UGQ Bandit Quilt ugqoutdoor.com/top-quilts/ban...
Jetboil Minimo geni.us/JETBOIL (amazon link)
Jetboil pan geni.us/jetboil-pan (amazon link)
Jetboil Utensils geni.us/jetboil-utensils (amazon link)
Orange Mug geni.us/SEA_TO_SUMMIT_MUG (amazon link)
Osprey exos pack geni.us/OSPREY_EXOS_48_PACK (amazon link)
Thermarest Sleeping Pads geni.us/THERMAREST_SLEEP_PAD (amazon link)
Thermarest pump geni.us/thermarest-micro (amazon link)
Exped sleeping pad geni.us/exped-pad (amazon link)
Exped pump sack geni.us/exped-sack (amazon link)
Hilleberg Soulo Tent gb.hilleberg.com/EN/tent/red-... (amazon link)
Rab sleeping bag rab.equipment/uk/mythic-ultra... (amazon link)
Mini Stool geni.us/robensstool (amazon link)
Thermarest Sleeping Pads geni.us/THERMAREST_SLEEP_PAD (amazon link)
MSR pocket rocket stove geni.us/MSR-ROCKET (amazon link)
Tent no longer in manufacture. Here’s the newer model geni.us/Terranovapulse (amazon link)
Nite Ize Gear Ties geni.us/gear_ties (amazon link)
Pillow geni.us/TREKOLOGY_PILLOW (amazon link)
BeFree water filter geni.us/befreefilter (amazon link)
Aeropress coffee press geni.us/aeropress-go (amazon link)
Rab Unishelter bivi rab.equipment/uk/unishelter-c... (amazon link)
Big Agnes mat geni.us/big-agness-mat (amazon link)
Thermarest Z-lite geni.us/THERMAREST_ZLITE (amazon link)
Thermarest pump sack geni.us/thermarest-pump (amazon link)
Fizan hiking poles geni.us/Fizan_compact (amazon link)
Trekology Sleeping pad geni.us/trekology (amazon link)
Lanshan 1 tent geni.us/lanshan-tent (amazon link)
folding table valleyandpeak.co.uk (amazon link)
Trangia Stove geni.us/trangia_alcohol_burner (amazon link)
SOTO Windmaster Stove geni.us/SOTO_STOVE (amazon link)
Mini Pot Grips geni.us/GSI_MICRO_GRIPS (amazon link)
ALPKIT Table www.alpkit.com/products/splitta
ALPKIT pot www.alpkit.com/products/mytimug
Salomon Boots geni.us/SALOMON_BOOTS (amazon link)
Foil mat geni.us/foil-mat (amazon link)
www.insta360.com/sal/one_r?in... or Amazon geni.us/instaoneR
geni.us/gopro-Hero8 (amazon link)
DISCLAIMER: This video and description contains affiliate links, which means that if you click on one of the product links, I’ll receive a small commission. - บันเทิง
You're the first person i've heard say that worrying about a few grams here and there and spending up big on pro ultralight is pointless to the average punter who could just drop a few kgs of body fat if they were keen to travel lighter. Hallelujah for a little perspective!
You have just described me!
There's bottle fuel, then there's subcutaneous fuel.
I am now addicted to stoves as well as rucksacks, sleeping bags, and tents.
welcome to the family:)
Mark, it never hurts to be prepared, especially in these perilous times........
If you have to collect something, it may as well be something that can save your life.
Try a hammock tarp combo best sleep in the woods ever
MSR pocket rocket “kit”, MSR Exilir 2 people tent, RAB sleeping beg, Gregory/Thule rucksack
@@AG80567 Job Done 👍
The original, single burner Coleman. Virtually unchanged since WWII. The current one is 40-plus years old and still going. Surviving the family of six camping while they were young. It's made every car, motorcycle, and hiking trip. Runs on multiple fuels, infinitely rebuildable, no one-time use fuel canisters. I used my grandfather's WWII version when I was young. It's in my dad's garage, and I sure a little oil on the seal and it would fire up. My children have their own, so I guess one of my grandchildren will use it.
I hate everyone slagging off my Trangia cos it takes so long, why is everyone in such a rush when they are up the hill relaxing.
Kind of true...
But it only takes long if its warm.
When its really cold it even takes like forever! 🤣
But its still a decent option for outdoors.
True most of the time, but Ive been in situations where your freezing and/or wet through waiting for the brew getting colder and colder
Trangias are pretty bad ey. Super slow.
trouble is mate , everyones gone posh orthink they have. trangia is bulletproof. am guilty of it aswell 😂😂
I have the Triangia. I also have the Soto Ti Kit. Triangi cost me $12 and the Soto was over $90. If "Your going to cook/fry/eggs/meats etc" the Triangia is the best. If your just boiling water a Soto. But my Triangia boils too. So really a Triangia is all you need, and if a minute is to long.....Well your hiking trip is screwed from the get go.
Can't beat the noise a trangia makes, perfect for enjoying the outdoors
Perfectly silent, however I blagged a gas kit for mine from a friendly supplier and it sounds like a rocket going off😜
Yep .. the Silence is Deafening.
Totally agree, why spoil the experience with gas if you can wait.
Pretty much all alcohol stoves sound like the Trangia.
@@acnud because gas offers much better control, and is way more wind resistant. So it really depends on whether you are hiking, cycling, camping near the woods or river, etc.
the pain of trying to light that military stove with the matches you are issued, they are advertised as waterproof but i prefer the term of fireproof
Currently 27 years in and only had to use the hexamine twice!
Can’t remember the stove at all.
@@clovermark39 i can remember it all to well, used to eat the rations cold as was a wright pain to clean the mess tins from the soot 😅
Never have I ever had an issue lighting what are essentially fire lighters!
@@mattsmindfulmeals5981 I did 12, and like you, only used hexamin once! I usually used the Esbit, or my Svea 123!
I’ve had my trangia for 40 years and my dad had it for 10 years before that. It absolutely can’t be beaten!!
Great video, I have used trangia for over 30 years, tried different stoves in that time and nothing comes close to the versatility, reliability and pure robustness of the trangia. Trangia = Bombproof!
I started out with a Trangia as a teenager and despite having invested in an good gas stove in the late 90's, I always went back to my trusty old Trangia. Then about 5 years ago I got my husband a jetboil, mostly for marking hot drinks while at the beach. I love the jetboil, it gets used most weeks. I still have my Trangia it gets used when I'm showing scouts how we used to cook food on camp, but I can't remember the last time I actually took it camping.
I knew you were gonna pick the trangia, old faithful wins every time.
I love the Trangia's simplicity, reliability and silent operation. The fuel is more eco-friendly to produce and the stove itself lasts a lifetime. I use it with the Trangia Triangle and home-made aluminium wind shield to speed up cooking time. Top tip: high quality ethanol (not the stuff for cleaning) gives a hotter flame and keeps your stove clean for longer.
Trangia for me too, simple and silent. Cheers Paul.
Me to and i use combo tomshoo wood gas stove with alcohol stove
Trangia all the way 👍. Doesn’t stop me buying all the other stoves I can lay my hands on though 😂
Good honest review as ever. All the best Pete
Same for me, I`m especially fond of my non stick mini set with a gas adaptor. It`ll boil water for two big cups of tea in any conditions in a couple of minutes.
One can never .. have too many stoves.
0
One good thing about alcohol stove is you know how much fuel you have instead of ending up with loads of half empty gas cannisters.
I carry an alcohol stove as well as a wood burning stove... just in case. Generally i use my wood burning stove as my pot holder for the alcohol stove
And it's quiet, Gas is damn loud and can mess up a nice moment by the sea
@@chancetolbert4852 Yes. I use tge same method. Tomshoo wood gas stove pot support with Trangia. 👍😊
Just mark the cannisters everytime you use them. The smallest one is good for up to six times of use. If you hit the 5th mark it's time to carry a second cannister with you.
u can refill the cannisters with a nozzle
I live in Norway and many people use the traditional Trangia alcohol stove when they're hiking. I used one for years as well but then a friend in the special forces recommended I try a Coleman Feather 442 as it produced more heat which is necessary when you are in -40 C temperatures. I gave it a try and have been pleased with it. I buy Alkyl Bensine which is a purer version of unleaded without the sulfur and additives for about 18 quid for 5 litres. This is the petrol used for chainsaws and strimmers that require cleaner unleaded. The stove weighs a bit more but it's bombproof and has excellent flame control and efficiency.
You need the Svea 123 in your life, friend. :)
@@andreaslied7077 Thanks Andreas. I used one back in Australia when I was growing up. I'll be heading off to the mountains of Tinn in Telemark and will likely take a wood gassifier as I'll be gone for a week and taking that much liquid fuel is a pain.
@@kickinthegob True. As long as you re mostly traveling below the treeline it's easy to replenish too. I much prefer the Firebox. It's heavy, but sturdy and reliable. Which one do you prefer?
I'll second that. My Coleman DualFuel fits neatly inside a Zebra 16 Billy can.
and even though, it might seem bulkier and heavier, than some systems, it's often overlooked that just one fill of its integrated fuel font can last several days. which means no extra fuel bottles or canisters to carry (also no special trips to camping stores for expensive fuels). My friends considered my 'petrol stove' scary until, during an ambitious february outing, all their 'safe' gas stoves failed to function in the cold. Even my Trangia struggled in the breeze, Hower, the coleman performed like a champ and saved the day.
I live just a few kilometers from Trangia in Trångsviken. My first outdoor stove. Still return to use it. As you say. Indestructible. 👌
Well done, Paul. I've been down the road of the "stove quest." As a young scout in the mid-1950s, we only used a camp fire because we didn't have stoves. I acquired a Svea 123 that requires a priming fire to reach the proper temperature to cook with. I didn't care much for that because it was way too loud and it sort of made me nervous. Its been over 60 years that I been searching for the best stove for my needs and this is what I've come up with: Trangia in concert with the Firebox "wood" stove. You used the Trangia triangle, but the Firebox stove performs the same function when used with the Trangia burner and it is the most flexible "wood" burning stove I've seen. It has been scientifically designed to draw the air in to provide oxygen the wood/charcoal/wood pellets fuel items. And, when using the Trangia burner (which I do most of the time), it positions the bottom of the pan or pot exactly at the most efficient and effective height. If the distance between the flame and pot/cup/pan is too high or too low, it takes too long and uses too much fuel. Repeated tests reveals that the best distance is 1 inch from flame to pot. But, most importantly from my point of view, the Firebox folds down to a flat size that is very packable. So, using the Trangia with the Firebox as a team, I think I have found the most flexible system that is my personal choice and that is my stove system of choice. However, for out-and-back dayhikes, I frequently use the Soto Wind burner because it is so quick and easy to use and, based on my unbiased tests, I found the Soto piezo igniter was more reliable than the Pocket Rocket and it burns more effectively in a breeze. The Pocket Rocket is affected more in a breeze and looses heat more readily causing longer boiling times. I really didn't give the Jetboil a fair evaluation (well any evaluation at all) because of its size. It is just too big and bulky for my backpack requirements and it is not flexible at all. I like to cook potatoes and bacon and steaks and bake biscuits or bannock. I think the Jetboil is wonderful if you want a quick brew and maybe some ramen noodles. But, its not for me. So, I think we agree on the Trangia as a number one winner and I can't say enough good things about the simmer lid. I would never use an alcohol stove with out one specifically because it can reduce the flame/amount of heat so that after I've brewed the coffee or tea, I can keep it warm for my second cup. It is also great for cheese fondue. So, the simmer lid is a significant feature of the Trangia in my mind. In the final analysis, with my stove system, I can use alcohol, gas, charcoal, or wood and choose the stove to match my hiking/camping needs. Thanks for your excellent videos. They are marvelous.
ElderHiker, thanks for taking the time to impart this information. I'm not nearly as experienced as you are but for what it's worth i think your reasoning and advice are sound. I am toying with idea of upgrading my cheap lixada wood stove to a Firebox but my only question is which is best, the LF or XL versions in conjunction with my Trangia 25?
@@paulblayney6641 Hello again.. which one is best? Honestly, it doesn’t matter. All of the Firebox stoves have been purposefully designed to work with the Trangia in addition to various fuel sources. I’ve looked at many different stoves and they all work as the are intended. But, IMHO, the Firebox stoves are the most universally flexible system available to us. Check out the playlist of PaleoHiker. He has the most compressive evaluation of stoves, bar none. He is the best authority. Check out Dr. Ernie. He’ll set you straight. He must have a hundred videos on stoves and his honest opinion is Firebox is the best. But there are other good ones too.
@@elderhiker7787 you gave me some great info in your reply. I've just ordered the Firebox G2 5" There are a few other Firebox models, but I think that's the most popular. Was looking also at the bushbox stoves, but as you say, the Firebox is the best. Looking forward to trying it out. Thanks for the advice brother.
That sounds like a great idea, which size Firebox do you use and where could I purchase one in the U.K please?
Your calmness calms me down
Good choice, being in the wilds is about taking your time in peace and quiet.A very simple and reliable burner.My favourite too.
I do feel redeemed that I'm not the only guy with a couple of stoves for any occasion and some just because they're neat. Was beginning to think I had a problem. Lol
You're among friends here.
Todd, I have the same problem. I wonder if there is a 12 step program for excess stove ownership?
@@tamiboelter5491 Alcohol stoves anonymous. 10,000 steps.
We do have a problem! But isn't it a fun problem to have?
Totally agree , I’ve had a Trangia 27 for twenty years ( full kit ) it’s been everywhere lol
Gret video, thank you.
I use a folding firebox type stove plus a Trangia. The Trangia fits in the folding stove and is great for a quick brew, or when I just can't be bothered with a fire. But usually, I just love to have a small fire in the wood stove. For me, that's what bushcraft is all about.
I also carry one of those cheap cross type stands for the trangia, and occasionally I'll have both the stove and the trangia going at once, so I can make a brew and cook food simultaneously.
I really like the fact that you went with the tried and true Trangia.
this man must be protected at all costs
He's a gem for sure!
I have a few, but My favourite at the moment is actually that little chinese thing with built-in lighter. Small and lightweight, and does the job!
Trangia + Fire box mini a good combination. When in the wooded area you can save up your alcohol.
2 is 1. 1 is none.
That’s my choice. Covers all the bases, and so elegant !
Me too - although with a Wild Woodgas stove. You can set up the trangia burner inside. Saves a lot of weight on a long trip. Plus a real fire is always nice to have, even a small one.
@@mcgruffallo :Same with the Firebox Mini. It is set up to accept both the Trangia Alcohol and the Trangia Butane burners. And not just set up to accept them, but to Maximize them. Truly a well thought out, elegant system.
I have a similar setup. Trangia with bushcraft essential ultralight pocket stove. Trangia pops right in and if there's any wood about I can make a nice wee controlled fire if needed. Truly the best setup of you don't want to bring a full trangia 27 set (I've also made hobo fires inside these don't judge me)
Trangia is my favourite. It’s multi fuel capability makes it very versatile. For wood burning, Folding Firebox, is my fave.
Thanks, Paul! So delighted that the Trangia won! I was given a Trangia 27 set for Christmas a couple of days ago. I used an identical set over 30 years ago and it was fab. Really looking forward to getting out in 2021 and using it!
27-4 set have all newer not need more than this last 30 year.
I totally agree, Trangia is so simple, nothing can go wrong, no moving parts! Depending on the trip duration I use the triangle or my 27 stove, where you can really cook, not just boil (also offers excellent pot stability when you use the gas adapter!). As back-up the Firebox Nano or Mini are a great companion...
I have several decades of experience hiking in the high mountains of Norway, The very best stove of all time are Trangia, either the 2+person 25 type or the 1+person 27 type, I find that the small 27 type can be enough for two person in most cases. For years I used the spirit burner, but when I upgraded to a gas burner, then I never looked back, it is so much more efficient with a gasburner, just remember to choose the right kind of gas for cold conditions, I found that when hiking for a longer time I was going lighter when using gas, you need more spirit than gas weight to weight, you can pack everuthing inside the trangia, I only use one saucepan and a 0.6 L kettle. So I will very highly recommend athe Trangis type 27 with a gas burner fromeven a small hike or on a rough expedition, to a small hike I bring 100 grammes gas and for longer hikes I bring one or more 450 grammes gas.
same me, norway,sweden,finland lapland has hiking last 30 year and no need other only trangia has BEST and alltime working well.,25-1or 3 have kettle and 27-1 have fry pan, all have totally same parts all. only some model have kettle and some have fry pan, has different. i use 2 pan and kettle and additional buy fry pan later. 25-4 model have all what need kettle and fry pan. UL have liguid fuel and HA have gas burner.
same also, gas trangia is best for me. Also trangia has best wind protection for the flame.
I will pick the Trangia small 27 set with gas burner, THAT is perfect anywhere, in any weather all seasons of the year, period ! ;)
Trangia stoves are wonderful :-)
I've been camping all year round for decades and I appreciate a stove that will work reliably in winter and summer. No matter how bad or cold the weather is things always look better after a hot cup of tea (and a bacon butty)... ;-)
Gas powered stoves don't work so well when it is below freezing while liquid fuel stoves have no problems. As well as Trangia I also have multi-fuel stoves made by Coleman and Motor-Sich. These are probably too bulky for solo backpacking but are great when you need to cook meals for several people.
It's the first video of yours that i saw, i realy like your calm and clear way of talking. Subscrubtion and click on the notification bell was quite natural :D Greetings from Germany.
I have the same, trangia with the triangle. I love it simplicity and I know I can utterly rely upon it. Good comparison.
That's a really thorough breakdown of stove options.
Purchased a jet boil in 2009, came with me everywhere in the military for 7 years and continue to use it to this day, lots parts and it's taken a beating. Yes it's a lot of money for a camping stove but it's not let me down in almost 12 years.
I’m still using my Trangia I bought 25 year ago, all it’s needed in that time is a new burner lid seal. It hasn’t however stopped me buying nearly every other type of stove under the sun.
Msr reactor, had it 10 years never let me down, recently got the smaller pot for it to make it a bit more compact and lighter. The thing is a beast.
Great video Paul. I used the same Trangia 27 for over 20 years; OK it always leaked from the brass seam so I always burned off the fuel at the end of cooking, it discolored and encrusted with old crud after many years, and it carried on working when I ran over it with my van and hammered it back into shape. I replaced it with a new one but have kept the original for the hall of fame. Totally agree with your number 1.
Excellent choice, Sir! My Trangia Triangle has served me well for many years and is my go anywhere stove. I keep a couple of skewers with my wind shield for supporting my mug if needs be, but I usually just take my little kettle, which fits a treat and holds plenty of water for a dehydrated meal and a cuppa.
I have a Jetboil Minimo, a MSR Windburner and they're very good, very efficient. I'd known about the Trangia for years, but thought they were 'old tech'. Late last year I thought I'd give one a try, bought the 27 - and I'm sold....and bought a box of bioethanol bottles.
Depending on the trip; camping, hiking, bike-packing each has it's benefits.
Fantastic breakdown of an impressive collection of stoves. I also have the Trangia Triangle and I agree, it really is a top all-rounder. I also like how some other stove makers, (usually the small independents), design their models to accept Trangia or similar alcohol burners.
I haven't succumb to the lure of JetBoil yet. I have no doubt they are a great piece of kit but I just can't justify the price. Also, as easy and convenient as the gas canister stoves are to use, I don't like that I have to carry rather bulky canister around. They're also not available everywhere, as you said, and additionally, when it's spent, you then have to carry it back out again and either dispose of it properly or process it in such a way that it can be put out with your household recyclables, (provided that's permitted where you live).
Anyway, really enjoyed this video. Many thanks Paul. I hope you and yours are keeping safe and healthy. ATB from Nova Scotia 🇨🇦
cheers for doing this video, there are so many on the market, I'm just in the process of getting my first lot of wild camping gear together and I still have to choose a stove , this has gave me a lot of information. Thanks
Stuart
My favorite stove is my home made rocket stove that also has room for my home made alcohol stove. I just love the real fire from wood.
I totally agree with your choice although I use an Esbit 5 piece stove that includes both an alcohol stove and a solid fuel unit.
Thanks for your thoughts on stoves. I also have really come to enjoy using a Trangia. I especially like the quiet operation once I get somewhere for peace and quiet. I also use a 40 year old Coleman 400 white gas stove if I need to be able to have high heat output and maintain the ability to cook real food. The Coleman may be a little heavy but it is bulletproof and also a good friend.
You forgot my favourite Old School - the old Primus type half pint paraffin burner. Customised mine for better wind protection, but use with a foil windshield. All folds down into a small tin, including fuel. Back this with a titanium wood burner, which weighs nothing and you are good to go.
Great video Paul! I feel that you more than adequately covered all the bases of different camp stove types, and the pros and cons of each, plus you had numerous examples of each type.
I have a BRS, and I like it. Definitely just a boiling stove as the control sucks (as you noted), but it's so compact and lightweight. It fits inside of my Stanley stainless cook kit (the one with the lid and two green plastic cups inside which I ditched), along with a 4oz MSR mini canister, a homemade windscreen made from a tall Arizona iced tea can, a Toaks titanium folding spork, two mini-Bic's, a small rag for cleanup, a small bottle of dish soap, and a valve that allows me to refill the MSR canister from off-the-shelf butane canisters... and there's still a little room to spare! The whole kit then nestles into my $5 stainless camp mug on the outside of the Stanley pot, or I could swap that for my stainless Pathfinder mug, which is a little bigger.
It works for me, as I only need to boil water for freeze dried meals and coffee, and l like to stay as lightweight as possible. I have some other canister stoves as well, and they all perform just fine and are easy to use, but none as compact or lightweight as the BRS.
I also like penny stoves, as they're cheap, lite, and easy to source fuel for!
For saferty reasons (unwanted fire) I use a Trangia 25 stormkitchen with their new gasburner and a 1 pound gas bottle, it replaces the slow alcohol burner. It works perfect even in the strongest wind, stands safe and cannot tilt over, no alcohol will run out and it can be used inside a tent or bivuak shelter etc. gas bottle with 7/16" Thread lasts for at least a week for normal daily cooking and can be lit at the lowest temperatures. Highly recommended. HM.
All the way through I was thinking "aye sure Paul, we all know you'll pick the jetboil"... That shut me up 😂 I have the windmaster myself but might give the trangia a bash! Thanks x
Spoilers!! 😫🙃
Sorry bud! Watch the vid first if you don't want spoilers 😉
I picked the same stove as well. The Trangia is vary modular it can be used in so many different configurations. You can even cook rice on simmer or you could put it on high for boiling water even though it takes longer to heat that’s fine with me. All so it is vary compact. There are so many different parts that can be used with this stove. I really love the way you speak and communicate very well in your videos and I really appreciate your informational advice.
I agree 100%. Trangia burner with the triangle, meths, gas and gel works with it. Only problem I have is deciding which fuel to use with it. The little pot stand you have there also fits inside the triangle for smaller pots. 👍
I would highly recommend any canister stove w/piezo ignition, and my current favorite is the Soto Amicus. If you actually want to cook, rather than just boil water, you need a stove with a fully adjustable flame height that will do a low simmer. Getting something hot into you quickly could also be a life saver in the right situation. The cost of canisters is more than offset by the convenience and utility.
Unfortunately Norman who makes the Storming Stoves passed away this year.
My favourite is Firebox from USA plus a Trangia. The reasons are the Firebox packs flat. It is heavy but I camp using a motorcycle so weight is not important compared to size. The combination allows me to use wood to cook, fuel usually available in the British countryside. On occasion when wood not available or the weather is bad and I want to cook in the porch of the tent I use the Trangia. The Firebox is designed to work with this stove and provides a pot stand and wind break.
I'm using an Optimus 99 petrol stove that my Dad gave me. It's not exactly the lightest setup out there but to its credit, it has never once failed me in the 30+ years I've owned it!
Love that you chose the trangia, it's well worth sacrificing a few more minutes of boil time for silent cooking. I've used the tent peg method too as a makeshift pot support and it works a treat 👌
Well you gave that away!
I've tried loads of gas stoves but was put of by having to carry spare canisters in case the one I was using ran out, their susceptibility to cold temperatures and wind plus the need to carry pots and pans. The trangia is a beautifully compact system which works anywhere under any conditions, you can instantly tell how much fuel you have too. I find a cheap turbo lighter is the easiest method of ignition.. 😀
Swedish stove & mess kit. Works every time. Sits in my car for my impromptu day trips. Love it!
I love my jetboil, I take it on motorcycle trips and it always proves its worth.
I have Trangia, Jetboil, Pocket Rocket (original) and like them all although I rarely use alcohol burners now - I’m too clumsy! However the one stove I use more than all the others is the Soto Windmaster. Brilliant bit of kit, nearly as efficient & fast as the Jetboil, works well in all but extreme Alpine weather and the piezo has never failed me yet.
i have use trangia last 25 year and no need newer other brand, all working alltime good and not need anythinkg other burner newer. smart budget buyer looking trangia copy some internet shop have lot cheapen and not have bad totally same all have.
I have, like many of the viewers, a plethora of stoves/ cooking systems. I personally now default to the USGI canteen stove/windshield with a trangia spirit burner. I also carry hexamine as a back up, and you can use it as a twig stove. Not perfect in anyway, but versatile.
Hi Paul. Recently discovered your channel. Was a student in Sheffield in the 70’s with fond memories of the Peak District and the Lakes. Thank you for some excellent trips and reviews. Thoroughly enjoyable and many happy memories. Well done and keep up the good work! 👍👍
Thoroughly agree with your choice here. Trangia for ever! No wheel is rounder (boil times don't matter.)
I love all my different stoves. It's nice to have a choice, 👍👍👍
The problem with all those gas stoves is size, weight, and fuel availability. Yes, some are very small and light, but then add on the fuel cans and cooksets and they become huge. Also gas becomes less efficient at height, and gas pressure may drop due to the canister getting cold while it is discharging gas. For those reasons I use the Trangia 25 cook set, which is liquid fuel, comes with all the nesting cookpans and windproof base, and comes in at least 3 sizes, plus a gas conversion which is very expensive! I also carry a military rat pack stove as a backup, because that can also be multi-fuel, and I have even used napthalene moth balls and mole repellant tablets when the hexamine ran out. It will also run off makeup removal pads or cotton balls rubbed into petroleum jelly. Incidentally I keep the Trangia burner lid threads greased with vaseline as corrosion can make it hard to remove after a winter in your pack. My special tip for my Trangia is that, instead of having a wind shield, you can turn the base around into wind to increase your flame temperature...
What?
@@maskandvaccinefreeandproud2110 Yes.
I don't understand that last sentence
@@northernswedenstories1028 The Trangia has a sort of ring on the base so you can turn it to open or close some little holes in the burner so as to change the flame
I don’t know why, but I love stoves. I’ve bought just about every kind out there and love them all. But my favorite is the Fancy Feast stove I made myself. Cost me next to nothing since my cat needed to eat anyway. I love that it is quiet and reliable and easy to use. I also carry a small titanium wood burning stove so I can stitch over if I run out of fuel.
Another great video, Paul! Thank you for including the MiniMo!
I bought the new version of the OEX stove from Planet X recommended by one of your subscribers. The pot comes with a different lid to the one you showed Paul. It fits neatly into the bag and all fits together inside easy enough with very little rattle. It is twice the size of the Jet boil and can easily accommodate cooking for two people whereas the Jet boil will only cook for one. It has a gas canister stand and the stove is easy to screw onto a gas cannister. I don't know if it has a igniter because I haven't tried it yet but I always bring a lighter with me just in case. I assume the cooking time will be longer than the Jet boil. Like you, I am in no hurry. I'll wait a couple of minutes more for my grub. The price was £29.99p Great value for money free delivery. I cannot wait to get out and use it.
the msr dragonfly (petrol/diesel) has served me brilliantly well. really powerful, light and easy to find fuel anywhere (even mongolia)
Being in the forces, No one in military uses those stoves unless they are in phase 1 training, as soon as recruits pass they all go out and buy a jet boil. You want your water to boil as fast as possible when your on exercise.
I have absolutely love my Soto Windmaster. The valve on it is so good for adjusting to slow simmers to hot burns. I like the speed of gas and I also look to cook a bit while out in the wilderness. The Soto gives me more flexibility in that area.
Jetboil for the win. “Awesome piece of kit”. Great job sir, keep it up.
Hey! you should check out the bushbox ultralight, I think you'd love that
It is basically like the trangia triangle but weighs only 60 or 70 grams (depends what parts you decide to use). It's primary use IMO is with an alcohol burner like the trangia, secondary use is as a wood stove (works good actually) and it works with esbit fuel tabs.
ON TOP OF ALL THAT... any pot or pan size will fit on it!!!! without any after market purchases. And it's negligibly more expensive than the trangia triangle. If you love your trangia you'll love it, and I would love to see you cook on it :)
Totally agree....i have an ever growing stove collection... but the Trangia is just one of those timeless designs that just works and works... and works....cheers
yes always a toss up between Trangia and gas
I have a small self contained trangia unit that already holds the trangia in place (again Aliexpress)
It fits into a cook mug
So the setup is immediate and simple
Great for a brew up while hiking
I use a remote gas burner over a top stove
The remote is so much more stable and easy to protect from the wind
The Fire Maple titanium are very light at a very reasonable price
I’m probably in a similar position to you with the amount of stoves I have collected over the years since joining the RAF, I think I’d have to go for my trangia 27 as even I couldn’t break it.
You can't go wrong with the 25 or 27!
How did you use a Trangia in a 4* hotel?
@@bob_the_bomb4508 ha I’ve only been aircrew since 2001, so there was the period before that!😜
@@mattsmindfulmeals5981 presumably you were also using ‘RAF webbing’ (i.e. two NAAFI carrier bags)… :)
@@bob_the_bomb4508 not after going Aircrew, someone else takes care of my bags.
Personally I like the alpkit Koro. Lightweight, but I like hose connected stoves. The pot ends up lower and feels more stable, and I like not putting my hands near the heat to adjust.
Thanks to your movies, I started my adventure with camping. We all have our better and worse days. You changed my life and thank you for that :) I found myself.
A Trangia set with integral wind protection is the best (having tried others). Silent, no smoke, has a simmering ring, and is very flexible.
Have always used my Pocket Rocket mostly. However I just got hold of a Trangia and going to give it a go on my next few trips. Atb
Expect way longer boiling times, and much less burning time for the amount of fuel that you have to carry... especially if you're up the mountain tops, a total nightmare in windy conditions. It will be less noisy though...
See my mates Mark and Rab use the trangia. Swear by them. I’m tempted but would be the UL version with the non stick.
Primus omnifuel everytime, trangia as back up,they never fail
@june roebuck People be cutting edges off maps and drilling holes in toothbrushes and you're talking carrying 2 stoves!
Great review of a number of alternatives.
I have also tried most of those, in no order:
- MSR pocket rocket (best canister stove, agree need a wind shield)
- Optimus dual/multi fuel stove (good if you are not carrying it, but I have - very well made)
- Metho stoves (ok for backpacking, limited heat control and generally slow)
At the start of video I was hoping it was the trangia ..cheers merry Christmas
It's really comparing plums with apples. Each of these stoves have their pros and cons, they're good for certain types of activity and location, horrible for others. There's a right place and a right time for each. I'd say generally, for 3 season backpacking and hiking, a canister stove will be the best choice, as it's by far the most efficient and also offers the most control.
Define efficient. With a cannister stove you have to lug a cannister's metal in and out as extra weight. You have to keep an eye on fuel, what do you do when you're _almost_ out? Swap cannisters? Bring two? Hope you can find a cannister shop in the wilds (Darwin on the TGO trail had to take a day off and a train journey to pick one up, meths are available in every tiny store). They are certainly EASY to use and an alcohol stove as a couple of tricks & tips you could do with knowing, but my entire stove system plus enough fuel for a boil is the weight of an empty gas cannister alone, and of course I can keep topping the fuel bottle up at home.
@@darthkek1953 efficiency can be defined for instance as the amount of time that is required to boil say one litre of water. The Pocket Rocket for instance can bring 1L to a boil in about 3 minutes. There is not one alcohol stove out there that can do that, even in perfect conditions, yet alone in more severe weather. Many alcohol stoves can take up to half of that time just to come to a full bloom. The claim that using alcohol stoves is lighter is generally false, in most cases. A medium size 8oz canister (230g) burns for 60 minutes at full steam, which will easily last me for 3-5 days of wild camping. If I bring an 8oz bottle of denatured alcohol (230ml) with me, I can be happy if it even lasts until the end of the 2nd day. So unless you go out for an overnight camp, you're not going to save any weight... it's actually the opposite. Plus the performance of these stoves is heavily influenced by the wind, even with a windscreen, so I would not recommend these for hiking at all. For daily use such as longer walks and bicycle tours however, I carry a self made can stove and 100ml of ethanol with me. My mug with stove, spork, and windscreen will weigh 153g in total. So for those type of activities I prefer alcohol stoves, but for proper backpacking, trekking and hiking, I'd definitely go with a canister stove.
@@kevinklein4748 that's a lot to go through so forgive me if I miss something.
- I've never needed 1 litre at a time, about half a litre and that take around 4 minutes and 30ml of fuel. Evernew are fast, hot beasts.
- 120ml ish per day of fuel is a LOT munch & drinks IMO :-D
- i camp on exposed Scottish Munros. you are right that wind shelter is paramount, but if its windy I use a tent vestibule as the main wind break plus my ti-foil wind break to get the overlap. it's the same with smoking (joints, never tobacco). i couldn't get a jay lit on a hill not even close, but in the vestibule it's easy. when day hiking without a tent (or before the tent is erected) then you need to find a spot that is more sheltered but I've always found it possible thus far. For example the ascent of Ben Vorlich (Loch Earn) was so windy I was knowing my lunchtime hot choccy was at risk. I hit the brow and the wind dropped to zero. One foot back, strong wind, one foot forward stillness. But generally speaking I don't do lunchtime brews or feeds. Even then I only bothered because I had it all with me.
@@darthkek1953 well glad to chat with a fellow Scotsman then. I do most of my cooking in the vestibule too. About 4-5 min is pretty accurate for the actual boiling time, at least that's pretty much the time that my alcohol stoves need to boil 400-450ml of water. But you have to factor in the time it needs to bloom, plus I almost always end up with some excess fuel... perhaps with a bit of experience you can minimise this, or use a stove with a lid for storage. The Evernew is way too expensive if you ask me personally. You can make these yourself from cans, tins, or bottles. There are also dozens of alcohol stoves on Amazon for £15-20 that do the job in that time frame. Regarding how much fuel you'll need really depends on your needs. If I calculate for one full day of wild camping, I'll make some breakfast + coffee, a quick ramen soup or tea around lunch break, and some dinner + 1L for my hot water bottle... and a few left over drops to clean my dishes as well. If I'd do all of this with an alcohol stove, I would easily use 120ml in one day, if not more. One thing I like about them however is that they're very quiet, they work well in low temperatures, and fuel as you mentioned is a lot easier to get. So as I said in my top comment, all of these tools have pros and cons. It depends what you do and what your preferences are. I love my wood stove too, and plan on investing into a white gas stove for winter hikes. But if I could only take one for backpacking, I would go with a canister stove, as I'll usually get the most out of my time and money this way.
@@kevinklein4748 the Evernew is stupidly expensive but stupidly good. I got it as a Crimbo gift a few years back. It will easily last several human lifetimes. The expense comes from the high-spec manufacturing, it's both stronger and lighter than any Chinese Ti stuff. Looking at someone with half a dozen or more stoves, all I can say my version of the "buy once" slogan is "cry once, cry ONCE". 😊
Anyway great to talk, the most important thing is to enjoy the outdoors lets face it we'd survive & thrive on a bottle of water & a pack of nibbles. 😋
Not the choice I was expecting you to make. But very honest and thought provoking about how much we need to spend. We don't need the go-faster stipes sometimes. Thanks Paul.
You are very good at what you do Paul. I don’t camp yet but still find myself watching the camping gear videos. 😆 I think it must be your relaxed style. Another great video 👍
my favorite stove gotta be the Kelly kettle, reasonably priced ,wood burning, safe, plenty of accessories , Fast boil, light weight, and its made in Ireland, got to support local
Killian: Not as much use if you are on a mountain with no wood around. I think he intimated that is why he didn't use one, due to the places he camps.
@@StevenKeery I guess but I always have a dry bag full of sticks with me I just clip it onto my pack
I’m sticking to my jetboil and skillet. Or an open fire coals. I’d never trust myself with an alcohol stove 🔥 🏕 🙄
Summit tae dae Totally agree with you, prefer the taste of whiskey
@@purebloodnordicroamer7955 don’t use whiskey for anything but disinfectant lol whisky only sláinte Mháth 🥃
Great break down Paul. IF you are ever in the states and want to see some amazing sights. We have some great mountain hikes out here in Washington State. I too have used all kinds of stoves. at 54 years old with an old broken veteran body, I am into micro-light backpacking, I am now using my favorite stove.... the ultra light weight titanium stove that screws on a butane canister.
I bought the £7.00 cheap Chinese stove in the orange plastic cover. It is great for boiling up a cuppa when I'm fishing, about a minute to boil 200 ml water, but on top of Dartmoor I couldn't get a pot to boil on it. Using almost a full tank of C-100 gas I had a luke warm cup of coffee, and it was only able to heat up half of my frying pan for my morning bacon.
you may have set the 'cat amongst the pigeons' there chap, As far as anyone in this house is concerned, these stove all cost twenty quid off ebay😂😂😂
Yep, same price as all the tents...and backpacks...and jackets...🤣
I see what you did there!
MSR Wisper lite international the best all round stove for cold conditions as well fuel is easy to find fuel.
They are great at altitude and in the cold, I wouldn’t want a white gas burner as my only stove though. If you could only have one stove, I think Paul nailed it, the Trangia is usable in all conditions, the fuel is available everywhere (I bought some in a village store in Morocco), it doesn’t weigh much and it won’t fail on you.
@@AndrewOliverHome It's pretty much a matter of preference, however you get what you pay for. If I'm going for a hike up the snowy mountains, then a white gas stove will perform a lot better... but also is more expensive and heavier to carry. There's also a variety of alcohol stoves out there...
Like you I have a lot of stoves. I bought the jetboil for use on my kayak and canoe because of its stability. I needn’t worry about the pot sliding off of the burner.
For backpacking I prefer a pocket rocker or alcohol stove.
The pocket rocket is awesome. I got the stove for a festival and was concerned because I had no wind protection but it turned out that the pocket rocket wasn’t that affected by wind. Awesome piece of kit and quite efficient.
Can't believe you binned off the windmaster! Fantastic stove and for me the regulator and the ability to have the 4flex on for the bigger pans is well worth the extra 20quid over the pocket rocket.
Completely agree, better than the pocket rocket 2 as well. I think the new pocket rocket deluxe is a straight rip off of the Soto. I rarely use anything other than the Windmaster now.
right but what happened to your my little pony bag? are you still using it and do you recommend it?
Firebox Stove beats EVERYTHING
Hi Paul, over some years now your videos have inspired and informed all my wild camping and purchases, so many thanks. I’ve got most of the stoves you’ve recommended and loved them all but for the last few years I’ve stuck to the Esbit version of the Trangia. It’s got all the benefits of the Trangia but it’s got the handle on the snuffer top and you can use the snuffer through the slot in the pot support so no singed fingers. You can even snuff the flame without taking the pot off if you’ve nowhere you want to put the hot pot down on. I’ve got the aluminium pot set version with the non stick coating. Perfect. It comes with a solid tablet burner insert too but I’ve not used that. Like the Trangia, you’re unused fuel just stays sealed in the burner so you never have to cross the problem of needing to put more meths into a hot stove because you don’t need to estimate just the right amount of fuel for your cooking so as not to waste the excess. It’s silent too. Thanks again Paul.
Apart from the weight, the Trangia 27 is pretty much perfect.
Agreed.. I have the kettle in mine, and it still weighs hardly anything..
Weight isn't too bad when you consider it also includes two decent size pans and a frying pan.
@@graemeo3440 And a kettle, in my case..
@@graemeo3440 No I suppose not. Also if you only take one bowl, swap the heavy strap for an elastic band and use lighter pot grips it comes in under 600 grams which isn’t far off a jet boil.