Thank you for the Video. I was waiting for reviews about 9800X3D before upgrading again from Ryzen 5 7600x. But I saw something very interesting feature this week in a new bios update from Asus motherboard B600 series that have a feature to turn off the Dual CCD into a Single CCD for the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Would be interesting to see the different now for them! :)
@@ElBurge1 In Asus bios they've called it Turbo game mode added to do that. Ryzen Master is quite good but not totally trusted just in case there a wrongly config because it likes a mirror for normal Bios. That another reason I rather do it in Bios
So what is interesting is that the 8 core with 3d V-cache is released first, as opposed to Zen 4. So it could be that the new implementation of V-cache (maybe on both CCDs) could make the 12 and 16 core even better.
Leo, Fantastic review there, succinct and enlightening. I miss reading your column in Micromart although I am VERY glad we have you doing your thing here on TH-cam in the 21st century! 🖖👍😊
@@madclone84 Did you see it in a review of some tech illiterate that tests CPUs at higher resolutions and doesn't understand the difference between CPU and GPU?
@@madclone84hah yes. I testes The 9800x3d alongside the 14900K and a 10 year old Celeron, Paired with the powerful GT 1010, in 4K, And surprise! All of the CPUs perform exactly the same! No need for upgrade on the Celeron. Geez. Imagine not knowing anything about CPU performance, GPU bottlenecks, and still feeling entitled to comment. Fanboyism is hard with this kid.
Superb review as always. Love the Pro's and Con's and if I was building a system right now would certainly be looking closely at this CPU. best of its generation, by the look of it!
@@annebokma4637 Just like how AMD came back from an impossible position, Intel can hopefully do it too (they are currently living through AMD's bulldozer phase LOL). Not a fan of Intel, but we need competition because these Ryzen prices have been skyrocketing since they took dominance and just increasing every generation since 3000 series.
I'm delighted to see I'm not alone with this conclusion! Amidst the constant buzz of online comments feeling forcibly up-to-date, that historical perspective gets bulldozed over (pun absolutely intended) oftentimes. Now - unlike the intended Bulldozer wordplay above, I feel that roles are reversed this time around, and that should be a glaring alarm signal to Intel. You could very much compare Meteor Lake to Bulldozer - a radical new approach that didn't quite pan out. In fact so badly that the desktop launch had to be scrapped altogether in favor of a refresh that was pushed so far beyond its limits it ultimately fryed itself. That analogy would make ARL Piledriver, and I'd consider this fitting, the difference being that og Piledriver at least had the redeeming quality of being dirt cheap and having at least the benefit of enabling certain multi-threaded applications that were unheard of at the time. ARL has nothing to offer in that department.
Scored my 7800x3d for just under £300 last month when the price dipped! Took a gamble that the 9800x3D wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, for the price and nailed it. All in on red, baby! 🎉
Great review, and the summary was perfect. So many short-sighted reviewers dismissed the architectural changes to Zen 5 and where it would lead. All eating their words now as predicted.
thank you for your intelligent review without the unnecessary drama. Hardware's Unboxed FLOP video on Zen 5 is indeed silly. Now you are my go-to channel instead of the other drama-merchants.
17:47 Oh I dunno, 7800X3D was £312 on Amazon UK and stayed around there up to £330 for a good couple of months but...retailers are just bumping it for extra profit.
Would be really useful to see how you set up your DDR5 8000 on X870E boards, especially if you're doing anything other than just choosing an EXPO profile.
Hey Leo! Do you think you could do a video sometime on setting the most optimal timings and voltages for 8000 on Zen 5, or at least those which have worked best for you?
7800X3D for me, as Leo said. much better deals right now as its older architecture. Not everyone needs to be running the latest hardware all the time. I am happy moving to a 7000 X3D chip
@@TauCu Yeah, I used it in a system I built for a neighbour's kid and was impressed how much cooler it runs than my 5800x3d. That was in late August and he paid 360€. Now, it's selling for 470€, which seems silly.
The price of a 9800X3D is 585euros ( thats 626USD )in my country right now! Crazy prices... Gonna wait a little bit for prices to stabilize. Maybe in december?
AMD has already communicated to board partners that they delayed the launch of dual CCD models to have better availability of the 9800X3D. So we know the 9950X3D is coming. The question is just when.
It's not very expensive it's just not cheap it's the fastest cup Intel sold extreme cups at 1000\1500 so it's not terrible value pcs just cost a lot for top end parts
It wouldn't surprise me if zen 6 moves all L3 cache to a seperate die, maybe 128MB of unified L3 cache, and include 8 zen 6c cores instead of the 32MB L3 cache that currently occupies the space, and let all 16 cores on the CCX share the same L3 cache.
It's interesting to me that in your benchmarks the 9900x looks a lot better than in some others I've seen somehow. From this video, for productivity focus + gaming, the 9900x seems like a great chip, but I've recently felt like it's not. Anyway, thanks for this amazing video!
It’s impressive to see a 120W TDP delivering this level of gaming performance. This could redefine efficiency standards, especially for high-end builds where cooling headroom is limited.
Would have appreciated seeing the 5800x3d on these charts. It was the first 3d chip and many people still have that chip and will likely be holding onto it for a while.
Would be intresting to see how various x670 motherboards work with the 9800X3D. Saw jayz video and he had issues with it but im not sure if that was because of the lack of bios updates or not
1:55 what im surprised here is the relative low score 8.5 you guys gave to the excellent 5800x3d. It is still talked about today and mostly competitive compared to more modern cpus. This always deserved a 9.5 one of the best cpu's in a generation
The cool thing about the 990 is even though it's Gen 4 it can run on the Gen5 platform so theoretically if you install it into a board like my Gigabyte B650E Master, tell it to run in Gen 5 Mode, it will only use 2 of the Gen 5 lanes but get the same performance as the Gen 4 X 4 mode. Also theoretically as I haven't upgraded to test it yet, this would force the top Gen5 Pcie lanes shared between the top GPU slot and 1st M.2 slot to operate in Gen 5 meaning after the bifurcation all your lanes to your GPU should be running in Gen 5 as the SSD forced them too meaning you should get full Gen 4 x16 equivalent bandwidth.
The more you cache... the more you save. In retrospect, it makes me wonder about the TDP for the 9700X. It really didn't do much better except for a few synthetic apps at a higher power, but for X3D, it has always had this "but in some ways it is inferior to the non X3D" quality due to the limited clocks. However, with a power constrained X and a juiced X3D, it becomes the "no compromises" (aka higher price) part. However, If they intentionally planned out and "Herkleman Jebaited" something like that, it would imply that AMD knew how well zen 5 would run, which yeah. If the 9950X3D has double v-cache, I wouldn't even be surprised to see it ahead of the regular 9950X even in "productivity workloads" due to how memory bottlenecked zen 5 seems to be. As always, thank you for the review Leo
By looking at the changes vs Zen4, zen 5 has increased memory bandwidth and the decode width but they certainly wants to push back the introduction of new I/O die Otherwise this zen 5 would be like a double-tik cycle...
Great review! Would love to see the 7600 (nonX) included as it's the entry card into AM5 and likely what i'll get before I upgrade to this bad boy in the future.
I would agree that the X3D parts are amazing gaming CPUs, but do you "need" or just "want" to upgrade? For those with cash burning a hole in their wallets, sure, spend 1-2 grand for two or three games where you can actually notice the difference in RT eye candy and you do not mind a massive performance hit. Buy a 4K TV with a 7900XTX and you'll get all the pretty you need.
I own a 7800X3D and I actually just reserved one at my friend's SI. Gonna get it installed tomorrow hopefully. (Edited: I realized we're using the same GPU! Love it!)
Can we see a test with AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D That involves AIO Vs Fans? I'm scratching my head when it comes to which would be the best choice, as there are pro and cons with both.. AIO and Fan Tempratures
Wow that was some performance in the games - its not the best CPU though if you want to do a lot of serious stuff as well as gaming. but looks to be a big seller for AMD in Q4
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9800X3D and a 5090 for me, In February. thats my plan right now. cant wait. thanks for the great review Kitguru!
5090 as well. Wow well done mate I’m jealous 😮
That's the dream. I'm on a 5800X3D and 4080 Super now and will be for the forseeable future.
3090 and 3950x here, the 3090 still holding up great, but feel the 3950x has had its day, time for a 9800x3d
Same here. Bet I still won't get 90fps in MSFS in VR, though!
Finally minesweeper runs smoothly.
Thank you for the Video. I was waiting for reviews about 9800X3D before upgrading again from Ryzen 5 7600x. But I saw something very interesting feature this week in a new bios update from Asus motherboard B600 series that have a feature to turn off the Dual CCD into a Single CCD for the 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Would be interesting to see the different now for them! :)
You could always switch off a ccd in ryzen master.
Thanks for the comment 👍🏻
@@ElBurge1 Nice but I don't trust Ryzen Master yet. I rather trust an old fashion way more 😂😂🤷♂
@@ElBurge1 In Asus bios they've called it Turbo game mode added to do that. Ryzen Master is quite good but not totally trusted just in case there a wrongly config because it likes a mirror for normal Bios. That another reason I rather do it in Bios
You can switch off a CCD in AM4 for a long time. I run my 5950x with one CCD.
I love Leos reviews, just straight into the info and testing, no grandstanding and wankery
I'll watch the 'conclusions' of other reviewers but Leo's is the only one that I'll watch the whole video !
A leo CPU review mid week, time for a coffee and a bit of quiet. Been waiting on this review for some time. good day !
Thanks for the analysis Leo, love your work. was nice to meet you at Computex
Thanks, you too!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
Leo, as always thank you, dont comment often but watch all your reviews
nice testing Leo, as always thank you for your hard work
Leo have a beer on me. you said this would be a banger months ago and to wait, and you were right. legend
thanks
Thanks Kitguru team for all the hard work and great videos in 2024, love you guys
Thank you too!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
Love it , thanks Leo for the hard work
Glad you enjoy it!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
Like GN and Kitguru, always good reviews
Great testing Kitguru, always like your reviews
Glad you like them!
@@KitGuruTech Welcome!
looks like it was worth waiting for - thanks Leo, you seem happy with it anyway
So what is interesting is that the 8 core with 3d V-cache is released first, as opposed to Zen 4. So it could be that the new implementation of V-cache (maybe on both CCDs) could make the 12 and 16 core even better.
That 9950X is killing everything in the graphs ! amazing chip
Just waiting on it to transform into its final form... the 9950x3d!
@@forog1 Great to know!
Leo, Fantastic review there, succinct and enlightening. I miss reading your column in Micromart although I am VERY glad we have you doing your thing here on TH-cam in the 21st century! 🖖👍😊
Its the gaming processor to get, love the X3D series - Intel wish they could design something so good
Just a reminder that these test are done at 1080p. Not 4k lol. Intel still leads the way.
@@madclone84 Did you see it in a review of some tech illiterate that tests CPUs at higher resolutions and doesn't understand the difference between CPU and GPU?
@@madclone84hah yes.
I testes The 9800x3d alongside the 14900K and a 10 year old Celeron,
Paired with the powerful GT 1010, in 4K,
And surprise!
All of the CPUs perform exactly the same!
No need for upgrade on the Celeron.
Geez.
Imagine not knowing anything about CPU performance, GPU bottlenecks, and still feeling entitled to comment.
Fanboyism is hard with this kid.
@@CodexSan you can’t afford either of those chips kid so take a hike and get a haircut lmfao
Man, i am so SALIVATING looking at those AMD processors - nice content
Leo, another great video, busy week for you, loved the gigabyte review too
Thanks a ton!
"Must have, superb", good enough for me Leo!
7950X3D holds up very well, what a brilliant processor
Superb review as always. Love the Pro's and Con's and if I was building a system right now would certainly be looking closely at this CPU. best of its generation, by the look of it!
Athlon, Athlon XP, Athlon 64. Now three generation of Ryzen X3D. They've done it again.
And this time Intel can't f them over
Great cpus from a great era
@@annebokma4637that time Intel could do so was giving massive discounts to OEMs...
@@annebokma4637 Just like how AMD came back from an impossible position, Intel can hopefully do it too (they are currently living through AMD's bulldozer phase LOL).
Not a fan of Intel, but we need competition because these Ryzen prices have been skyrocketing since they took dominance and just increasing every generation since 3000 series.
I'm delighted to see I'm not alone with this conclusion! Amidst the constant buzz of online comments feeling forcibly up-to-date, that historical perspective gets bulldozed over (pun absolutely intended) oftentimes.
Now - unlike the intended Bulldozer wordplay above, I feel that roles are reversed this time around, and that should be a glaring alarm signal to Intel. You could very much compare Meteor Lake to Bulldozer - a radical new approach that didn't quite pan out. In fact so badly that the desktop launch had to be scrapped altogether in favor of a refresh that was pushed so far beyond its limits it ultimately fryed itself. That analogy would make ARL Piledriver, and I'd consider this fitting, the difference being that og Piledriver at least had the redeeming quality of being dirt cheap and having at least the benefit of enabling certain multi-threaded applications that were unheard of at the time. ARL has nothing to offer in that department.
Intel power consumption in those graphs is scary bad
Surprised how cool it runs- very impressive - take note intel !
AMD seem to love Kitguru - not many reviews of this up
Finally been waiting ages for this!
the VCACHE information was interesting, hadnt read about that before
Thanks for the content, looks like a good processor, but I think I will save money and keep my 7800X3D for a while, and focus on a new graphics card
Scored my 7800x3d for just under £300 last month when the price dipped! Took a gamble that the 9800x3D wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, for the price and nailed it. All in on red, baby! 🎉
Amazing price well done 👍🏻
320 here from overclockers absolute steal
Thanks for all the testing - good info at the start too on the hardware
AMD - well done, I know you dont read comments, but i gotta say it regardless. brilliant engineering capabilities now
Do not think I have ever heard Leo recommend and say to buy a CPU before the testing ! first for everything
He had tested it first 😉
@@KitGuruTech nice catch 🤣🤣
@@KitGuruTech Right!
Enjoyed the videos today, this was one of the better ones
Nice to see a gigabyte board in the video, instead of just MSI - get some ASROCK boards in soon please
Thanks for the work Leo, great stuff as always man !
Thanks Leo !
Great review, and the summary was perfect. So many short-sighted reviewers dismissed the architectural changes to Zen 5 and where it would lead. All eating their words now as predicted.
This is a fucking fantastic review by KitGuru !!
Sky is the limit or Not.
Game results look good - I appreciate you use high IQ not low IQ. means nothing anymore to people actually playing the games
Thank you Leo great job as always.
thank you for your intelligent review without the unnecessary drama. Hardware's Unboxed FLOP video on Zen 5 is indeed silly. Now you are my go-to channel instead of the other drama-merchants.
AMD - are on form. now all we need are new Nvidia GPUs next year
Smashing review as per Leo, really outlined the important changes.
What a processor!! I hope they release a Ryzen 5 X3D chip in the UK this time.
Thank Leo. For sure will upgrade to R7 9800X3D soon! Great review. Gaming Mode On... AMD ❤
As always best review on the net today for this by a long way
Wow at the row of Ryzen and AMD processors, thats a few grand on your table, you lucky sod
7950X3D does not get enough attention at times. its a hard one to follow
Thanks Leo, really educational and well put together video
Glad you enjoyed it
Great review Leo!
thanks Leo will get stuck in shortly ! looks promising based on the conclusion which I skipped too for time in work today
17:47 Oh I dunno, 7800X3D was £312 on Amazon UK and stayed around there up to £330 for a good couple of months but...retailers are just bumping it for extra profit.
here is 500€+
Would be really useful to see how you set up your DDR5 8000 on X870E boards, especially if you're doing anything other than just choosing an EXPO profile.
I really do enjoy all your videos, thank you for the effort!
Glad you like them!
Hey Leo!
Do you think you could do a video sometime on setting the most optimal timings and voltages for 8000 on Zen 5, or at least those which have worked best for you?
7800X3D for me, as Leo said. much better deals right now as its older architecture. Not everyone needs to be running the latest hardware all the time. I am happy moving to a 7000 X3D chip
Still a top chip for gaming.
They were a lot cheaper just two months ago. Now, it's probably the best idea to wait for 9800x3d prices to settle in.
As someone who owns one: It's great.
It does run with a bit of power on idle though. Can be tweaked however.
@@TauCu Yeah, I used it in a system I built for a neighbour's kid and was impressed how much cooler it runs than my 5800x3d. That was in late August and he paid 360€. Now, it's selling for 470€, which seems silly.
Th 9800x3d (if you can get one) is hardly any more expensive than a 7800x3d is now.
Its a good looking CPU but as you said leo on the close out, look for 7800X3D bargains before they disappear, seen them at silly prices
The bargains are all gone at this time. I’ve seen the price as low as $340 many months ago, now on Newegg it’s $460.
@@dr.tobiasgoodfellow5174 Right!
Nice move forward for AMD - good job
Thanks!
The price of a 9800X3D is 585euros ( thats 626USD )in my country right now! Crazy prices... Gonna wait a little bit for prices to stabilize. Maybe in december?
Spring sales, December I wish. I'm running out of 7800X3D.
I am buying one, getting my order in tomorrow
Actual pricing in the UK adjusted for realistic expectations;
AMD's RRP: £449.99
Retailers like Scan: £469.99
Overclockers' price: £549.99
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Welcome aboard the Kitguru train
Really very impressed with this - its a great sign of things to come from AMD too very soon
Great review, just found your channel, subbed !
Well done on the game testing section, makes a lot of sense. might want to add in a few newer games into the mix
Its amazing how well it does in games,
I cant wait to see what X3D is next. 9950 perhaps?
AMD has already communicated to board partners that they delayed the launch of dual CCD models to have better availability of the 9800X3D. So we know the 9950X3D is coming. The question is just when.
Its a great CPU, very expensive and not affordable for most people, but you get what you pay for in this case
It's not very expensive it's just not cheap it's the fastest cup Intel sold extreme cups at 1000\1500 so it's not terrible value pcs just cost a lot for top end parts
Super job, I will be buying one after christmas
It wouldn't surprise me if zen 6 moves all L3 cache to a seperate die, maybe 128MB of unified L3 cache, and include 8 zen 6c cores instead of the 32MB L3 cache that currently occupies the space, and let all 16 cores on the CCX share the same L3 cache.
It's interesting to me that in your benchmarks the 9900x looks a lot better than in some others I've seen somehow. From this video, for productivity focus + gaming, the 9900x seems like a great chip, but I've recently felt like it's not. Anyway, thanks for this amazing video!
It’s impressive to see a 120W TDP delivering this level of gaming performance. This could redefine efficiency standards, especially for high-end builds where cooling headroom is limited.
Have mine ordered for delivery next week
FINALLY ! SOME ASROCK LOVING IN THE VIDEO !
No need to shout 🙃
Just found your channel, great video - new sub !
Welcome aboard!
Its still a lot of money I dont care what leo says, for most of us this is just too expensive. I suppose its 7800X3D shopping time as the prices drop
Great review Leo thanks ❤
Great review, thanks Leo.
Hi Zardon!
Hello!
Its a good deal - not cheap, but its a high end gaming CPU
Would have appreciated seeing the 5800x3d on these charts. It was the first 3d chip and many people still have that chip and will likely be holding onto it for a while.
Would be intresting to see how various x670 motherboards work with the 9800X3D. Saw jayz video and he had issues with it but im not sure if that was because of the lack of bios updates or not
The results are good, Ryzen Master works well for me
Ryzen Master with the 9800X3D? the software is fine for me with every other Ryzen, just not with this model.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech Okay Great to know!
You remember that?Mr.Leo predicted. I do, and rewatching it pretty often "9980xe Leo doesnt like this turkey". Watch it again 😊
Good testing - killer game results - FPS beast !
It's a good leap over Zen 4 X3D for sure. The cache on bottom means that the X3D can catch up on the non X3D versions.
Far cry 6 must have been developed by AMD, its such a good game for them to focus on, isnt representative of what the general results are
1:55 what im surprised here is the relative low score 8.5 you guys gave to the excellent 5800x3d. It is still talked about today and mostly competitive compared to more modern cpus. This always deserved a 9.5 one of the best cpu's in a generation
The cool thing about the 990 is even though it's Gen 4 it can run on the Gen5 platform so theoretically if you install it into a board like my Gigabyte B650E Master, tell it to run in Gen 5 Mode, it will only use 2 of the Gen 5 lanes but get the same performance as the Gen 4 X 4 mode. Also theoretically as I haven't upgraded to test it yet, this would force the top Gen5 Pcie lanes shared between the top GPU slot and 1st M.2 slot to operate in Gen 5 meaning after the bifurcation all your lanes to your GPU should be running in Gen 5 as the SSD forced them too meaning you should get full Gen 4 x16 equivalent bandwidth.
The more you cache... the more you save.
In retrospect, it makes me wonder about the TDP for the 9700X. It really didn't do much better except for a few synthetic apps at a higher power, but for X3D, it has always had this "but in some ways it is inferior to the non X3D" quality due to the limited clocks. However, with a power constrained X and a juiced X3D, it becomes the "no compromises" (aka higher price) part. However, If they intentionally planned out and "Herkleman Jebaited" something like that, it would imply that AMD knew how well zen 5 would run, which yeah. If the 9950X3D has double v-cache, I wouldn't even be surprised to see it ahead of the regular 9950X even in "productivity workloads" due to how memory bottlenecked zen 5 seems to be.
As always, thank you for the review Leo
Thanks for watching and the support 👍🏻
By looking at the changes vs Zen4, zen 5 has increased memory bandwidth and the decode width but they certainly wants to push back the introduction of new I/O die
Otherwise this zen 5 would be like a double-tik cycle...
good motto
Just wanted to join in the masses and say I value what Kitguru does and this has shown me I need to upgrade my system as soon as I can afford it
Thanks appreciate it 👍🏻
Intel have left the building
Great review! Would love to see the 7600 (nonX) included as it's the entry card into AM5 and likely what i'll get before I upgrade to this bad boy in the future.
Have never looked at that CPU. My advice is to skip 6 cores and move directly to 8
Leo
@@KitGuruTech It's just more than I've ever spent on a CPU. But I must admit it's the first CPU in this price class that is quite tempting.
The pricing is a bit high thats the only issue i have with it - bit out of my price range, but the 7800X3D is the one to get IMO with the pricing.
285k does well in the synthetic stuff like geekbench
the tables pretty much have turned since Zen 1 vs Kaby Lake, now Intel owns productivity while AMD shines in gaming.
seems like a good step forward over the last generation, which was already strong 🤩
The king is dead. Long live the king.
I would agree that the X3D parts are amazing gaming CPUs, but do you "need" or just "want" to upgrade? For those with cash burning a hole in their wallets, sure, spend 1-2 grand for two or three games where you can actually notice the difference in RT eye candy and you do not mind a massive performance hit. Buy a 4K TV with a 7900XTX and you'll get all the pretty you need.
Interesting that you couldn't overclock the 9700x as high as the 9800x3D. Do you think some binning preference has occurred in favor of the x3D?
I own a 7800X3D and I actually just reserved one at my friend's SI. Gonna get it installed tomorrow hopefully. (Edited: I realized we're using the same GPU! Love it!)
Congrats !
Can we see a test with AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D That involves AIO Vs Fans? I'm scratching my head when it comes to which would be the best choice, as there are pro and cons with both.. AIO and Fan Tempratures
Wow that was some performance in the games - its not the best CPU though if you want to do a lot of serious stuff as well as gaming. but looks to be a big seller for AMD in Q4