Simon Jordan CAN'T BELIEVE Howard Webb Didn't DEFEND Stuart Attwell After Nottingham Forest Claims 😱
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- Jim White, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy react to Howard Webb's latest appearance on Premier League Mic'd Up.
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Sincerity 😂😂. When will the media just come out and say the refs in charge of VAR are simply not good enough
Neither are the players at Forest.
Some do however simon jordan never ever does
Its pathetic from him
@@dannytallmage2971 Cool. When do the referee's get relegated for being awful at their jobs?
@@josephkerrigan733 all the time and they don’t have guaranteed contracts to keep paying them after they are relegated.
@@dannytallmage2971 Cool. Just give me the names of a few premier league referee's who have been sacked for incompetence.
The moment Mike Dean claimed to Simon, that he didn’t call an official to the monitor because he had a rough day. The PGMOL lost its credibility. Nothing happened to resolve that problem.
Spot on. Plus they need to stop refs going over to Abu Dhabi to officiate.
@@dirtygunslinger9835 or have Var officials. Who never step foot on the field. Who work for a different group than the pgmol and they are just over seeing the game and officials in the game.
Get the busy system out and any possible bias from a coach yelling at you on the field last time you reffed, now your in VAR for their game and you’re still a little upset at that manager.
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Look at the CL semi final last night to see how proper officials do their job.
Wish he doesn't come to Prem or they'll corrupt him
One of the semis ref is Anthony Taylor who has had a lot of controversy in the Premier league though?
@@Philpot1992 I know good luck to those teams.
yeah trossard's uncle was outstanding as the ref
100 percent 💯 proper referees last night
Simon has been spouting utter rubbish over the Forest situation and Jim is like his little cheerleader
Why is there so much outrage against Forest for simply speaking their mind? They were not even accusing Stuart Atwell directly, and yet they are under fire for even daring to suggest in the slightest of bias and favoritism???
Definitely rattled the premier officials though
Cuz most fans know its true n football has been dodgy for a while,well its blatant
Absolutely - Forest have never accused the PL of corruption, they did indicate there may have been some bias. The fake outrage from the likes of Neville, Carragher and now Jordan is hilarious
well said
@@CSWillis the funny thing is, we didn't even say the PL is corrupt, we said the PGMOL is corrupt which is a separate organisation hired by the PL. So if the PL has any backbone, they will sack them and start fresh.
If human error is your best defence for VAR, then let's just go back to no VAR when we only had to deal with the human error of the ref on the field. At least we'll get back to celebrating goals again.
Whatever Howard Webb & you guys said ...we football fan believes nottingham forest should have had 3 penalties period. I'm not a nottingham forest fan by the way but I'm a football fan. All main streams really tried hard to cover the corruption.
That’s rubbish we’ve seen all fouls like that given as penalties all season it just depends what club you are. You can’t just change the parameters of what’s a penalty half way through a season. You can’t blame Forest for calling out the truth
Facts!!!!! If that’s de bruyne or Bernardo silva getting kicked like that they are rightfully getting a penalty. If it happens outside the box it’s a free kick.
Why is everyone trying to be a world war 2 era stoic British attitude about this. I like Murphy but he’s trying so hard here to justify blatantly wrong decisions
Once your above league one the refs are told who to favour in each game. Thats how they can get cup finals etc with the biggest tv appeal.
It’s not totally match fixing but they enable a team as much as possible for this to happen. Look at recent decisions in that light and you’ll see. This comes from a ref btw. Forest have been earmarked for the relegation scrap all season because the owner is far more unpopular than any other team at the bottom.
It is corruption. Taylor, Tierney and rob jones are the worst and most obvious at this. Taylor even smiled and smirked been accused of cheating at forest Newcastle. He heard, he knows and knew there was no camera.
It’s embarrassing the standards are so poor. And it’s in danger of ruining the best entertainment product in the world
Did anyone see the pen Rashford got against Forest at Old Trafford? He was hardly touched, dived and the ref nearly wet himself rushing to give Manure a penalty.
@@MelGilbert yes minimal contact as he just brushed his shirt and dived the ref couldn’t wait to give it because that what they do. The truth is if referees did their jobs correctly Forest would be nowhere near a relegation fight
@@tobytayles1 100%. Big ask to believe it's all just random.
Look at the Bayern v Madrid match and you'd think officiating isn't a problem..The ref made it look easy
Yeah it's easy, just have the best referee in the world in every game
It should be like that (Bayern vs Real); but after seeing EPL who has a set bar of referring at the bottom with use of VAR is a disgrace .
Danny murphy 2 mins in saying he (Gio) dived?? Young kicked through him to try and get the ball and failed! Gio already in front of Young and been kicked from behind. Also hand in an unnatural position for the second pen! Man Utd given away a pen for the same thing LATER that day against Coventry. Where's the consistency.
He didn’t kick through him though Young tapped him and then he chose to do a delayed fall, the exact same thing happened to James Garner without the delayed fall and we didn’t get a penalty either.
Hand was natural for the handball and it was point blank too
@@theblues8840🤡 ofc ignore the majority of people saying all 3 was pens, you'd be going nuts if those 3 was the other way round and it put u back in the relegation battle
@@martzp5535well said mate.
Danny Murphy clearly doesn't understand that if you foul somebody in the box, it's a penalty.
"Plant your foot"... What a melon.
Danny is saying he didn’t foul him because it was minimal contact and Reyna threw himself to the floor he wasn’t brought down
He wasn't fouled , God what has happened to our game. Football used to be great. Football now is 10 seconds then a foul 10 seconds another so called foul. It's boring.
Um so us against Newcastle away when was minimal contact and they still gave a penalty and even if there is contacts, it’s still contact that’s the actual rules
@@Nffcfanforever so any contact is a foul? It's not netball! Football has gone
It isn’t at Anfield
Danny boy the world don’t revolve around Liverpool 😂
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It's the coke
You know it brother 👍
What if the penalty decisions were against Liverpool, Danny boy? 🤔
Danny Murphy always slags Liverpool off - he does them no favours at all.
Danny Murphy, clueless! Good job for honest people like Souness.
😡 OMG I honestly thought talk sport had turned a corner on this after watching the last few posts on this subject but ffs this one has dragged talk sport back down to the sh%tty level of sky sports , but I suppose anything with Simon jordan in IS THAT level , utter BS
why defend people who are incompetent
15 appologies from VAR but nothing wrong. Simon and Jim must be dining out on the amount of mistakes they get to debate.
They also stopped giving apologies for some of the Wolves decisions because they didn't want to get hit over the head with how awful they'd been at the end of the season.
All three are pens, all players dive these day Danny, the fact is Reyna was kicked when Young tried to get the ball and didn't get the ball, the handball is a pen too but next season they need to stop completely
Pretty jarring that Simon cites a Lib Dem and a Labour politician as examples of politicians not being challenged on things they've said when the Tory party partakes in a disproportionate majority of unchallenged false remarks (Jacob Rees Mogg claiming food prices would go down because of Brexit being a topical example!) 😅 I think somebody's bias might be showing there!
100% spot on
Simon is a raging Tory and everyone knows it, that’s why he hates Rashford because he put them to shame when he proved they didn’t care about children going hungry
Lol this dude is in tears over a radio show. Peak windrush fragility. Sandiest bussy in all of swarthdom.
Cry harder
@@dave2940 what?
PGMOL is a joke headed by Webb
When you listen to Atwell on VAR ok that 3rd penalty claim; that was just plain awful officiating. The ref says he touched the ball when he didnt and so Atwell should have said nope go and check the monitor. The refs are just plain poor
1st rate premier league, 2nd rate officials....
Wish they asked Danny about Jota diving against Newcastle. By his logic, Jota should be labelled an embarrassment to football. And the ball wasn't smashed at his hand. If he says he's watched it and studied it more than anyone else on planet earth, then you'll see he moves his arm towards the ball. Young knows what he's doing.
YOURE DEFFO HIGH
How many feet dit Jotta plant before he dived 😂
At the end of the day it could cost Forest relegation… bottom teams don’t get favouritism like the big teams!
Look at the officiating in the champions league. So smooth with little to no drama.
CL doesn’t have a bunch of subpar players flopping around the field because the lack the speed and skill to break down defenders. In group stage of CL you dorks whine nonstop about officiating.
The PL just likes creating unnecessary drama
@@dannytallmage2971 Still way better than what we see in the premier League every week. As long as the game is officiated by humans, there will be mistakes. However, there should be a minimum level of standard to be met. What we see from the PGMOL falls below the minimum standards. By the way, if referees cannot deal with incompetent players falling down always, then they're competent to officiate matches in the first place. You can't expect a competitive match in which millions of dollars is at stake to be played without every body looking for an advantage. To weed out those people is why we have match officials in the first place. So your little tirade there made no sense whatsoever.
Train for what??? Don’t they already know the damn rules?????
People like Danny Murphy are who responsible for putting pressure on the referees and VAR, helping them to make these mistakes. Imagine he admitted to watching those incidents multiple times, and still adamant that two of them are the correct decisions by var. In other words, he is saying that if VAR had given penalties for those two, he would've disagree with the decision. He kept putting his feelings and what he likes above the rules
We have the worst officials in EUROPE,Howard webb was a poor Ref at the best of times We need a complete overall of officiating
They was all pens 😣
Their corruption is being exposed
I think the bar for a penalty for handball should be significantly higher. It should be deliberate only and they can use var to determine if a player moves his hand to the ball. Penalties for accidental handball is insane.
Danny Murphy saying he dived !! FFS … what planet are you on ! Young definitely kicked Reynas his foot & knocked him off balance & no 2 youngs arm was extended out from his body !
IMHO Forest had to do what they did to get the type of media coverage to highlight the issues in VAR to have a wider discussion, the whole Luton thing is just a tool to get the conversation going. Admittedly as a Forest fan I’m biased but seriously Forest along with half a dozen other clubs in the item have consistently had a litany of very VERY poor decisions against them throughout the season. Forest just went Fu6k it!!! Needed to be done!
How can anyone defend the corruption in the the refs union. The audio proved how corrupt his incompetent refs are. Disgusting and talk sport basically supporting the refs. Don’t see Danny moaning about jota diving against Newcastle
The beautiful game is now diluted! As a fan can't celebrate goal anymore until someone upstairs in the stadium says so.
The amount of players that fall to the floor when they feel another player breath on their neck is ridiculous and more often than not they get the foul so a player kicking someone when trying to get the ball is a foul, it was in the box, forget the players reaction, even Young knew all 3 were pens!
True. Harry Kane was the master of diving. Look at Rodri diving against Man United. It seems a certain team have benefited more than any other... maybe they want to ref in Saudi more.
1.52 "silly c unts" 😂😂
Bayern and Madrid last night two straight forward pens no argument no forensic VAR
1:52 - silly what? Lol
Howard Webb sounding like a politician & justifying the indefensible lack of decision making.
Danny must be back on the coke 😂
He thinks only the last one is a penalty. These pundits are too afraid to call out corruption. Anthony Taylor is an awful ref and has made strange decisions the last few games. He was only made ref for the Everton game last minute anyways Chris Kavanagh was due to b the ref
I totally agree with the safety net of VAR, which makes referees less concise. Well said Danny.
Young was covering the most dangerous route to goal with an outstretched arm
By Danny's understanding of the handball rule (like the rest of us) - then Havertz' equaliser against Villa would've counted + considering the 3 mistakes by VAR for the Newcastle goal against Arsenal should've also have been taken into account
All 3 were pens... Danny what have you been smoking
1:50 some of those silly WHATs??? Lol
It’s simple, if Webb actually thinks the system is fine then he needs to start sacking refs and promoting others in lower leagues. It can’t get any worse.
We just want it to be fair, and you're right Simon, the ref has his own eyes to make decisions and he has VAR as his other tools, if he doesn't see it, for instance, if players were in his way, there was too much going on or it was too fast for him to call it then he should call upon their assistance, but when they make glaringly obvious mistakes and there is no consistency, and they don't call upon those tools then it does bring up all sorts of ridiculous conspiracy theories. Like Casemiro's shoulder grabbed that the Crystal Palace player lent into and laughed, it looked like he was grabbing his neck but when you see it on the screen after the VAR team have looked at it it didn't deserve a red card, but he still gets a 3 match ban, they don't take it back because Manchester United knew that if they contested it they wouldn't rescind it, because they haven't done in the past, and then the other week a Wolves (was it?) player directly grabs Fernandes around the neck and he gets nothing, VAR don't even look at it, he doesn't even get a yellow, or a ban even after the game has finished and everyone is talking about how bad it was. 2 clear examples of the reason why conspiracy theories come up and if you watch a lot of Manchester United's decisions against them it really doesn't look good for the officiating system in place. Nottingham Forest do have a case for them not being given, I watched that game live and watched every angle for all of them and got to the stage where I was thinking to myself, and been thinking for a while now for many years, there is just no consistency and wondering whether some wealthy clubs pay the officials to throw games because some are at crucial times when games can, or could've changed quite dramatically.
So, either the officials need to be paid more or we need to get ex players in officiating roles to teach officials how the game is played and not from just the rulebook.
The problem is VAR has shown officials are incompetent. Before VAR you could say maybe the ref didn’t see what we saw because of different angles etc. Now they don’t have that excuse and it’s showing that they actually don’t understand what’s a foul/penalty and what’s not.
We all understand humans make mistakes, but we dont expect SO MANY
Utter bull ! All 3 are pens . No question.
When will the media stop being afraid to call corruption
Danny Murphy proving Souness right, not all players could do it 😂
VAR should be used for goal line and that's all
now you have multiple officials panicking in each others ears during games and still getting things wrong, VAR is completely pointless and must serve some other purpose
Howard Webb explaining the process of how officiating is improving all the time. Ha, ha, ha!
Leathers it 😂
Can't understand How Howard Webb is still there, should be sacked as simple as. If he was at any other job he would have been fired.
Lmao if those decisions went against Liverpool Murphy would go ballistic. 🛎️end
In other words... Old man yells at a cloud. 😂
Hold on...is Danny Murphy saying the handball was not a penalty !!
Yes. They are making judgements, but do they not see shirt pulls, or a player going through their opponent before making contact with the ball. Some are judgements but even there, there should be a standard across all officials.
forensic VAR is the worst thing to ever come into football, when you watch a game without it, or when it’s not used, it reminds of how good football was before all this nonsense
Players on VAR, Would cause bias, players like and dislike certain teams
You can debate two of them but they have all been given multiple times and anybody saying there’s clearly only one penalty has a bias or an agenda
I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways... If you are happy the integrity is there then any ref can be in charge of any club. The fact the rule is in place shows there is a concern about impartiality. So either scrap that rule or become more strict with it. Don't say it's not an issue
How can the only person that believes the 3rd incident is not a penalty.
I understand the onfield ref may get it wrong. But VAR has the technology to reach a clear decision.
Yes, referees should have to call for VAR, not the other way around. Weak refs who need VAR all the time would then get exposed and good refs who can do their jobs without VAR would be elevated. Simple.
Officiating on the continent it light years ahead of the Premiership.
Was the Jack Grealish handball on the mic'd up?
Simon talking about Angela Rayner is HILARIOUS!
He hates her.
It scratches at him that she is due to be the next deputy PM.
Theres a conflict of intrest,,,,,,,Chelsea fans woke up to tbat when
Anthony Taylor a self proclaimed ARSENAL fan was referring Chelsea v Arsenal in the FA CUP FINAL when Frank Lampard was Maneger,,,,and we had Dissaloud goals a were taken Down to 9 MEN at one point ,,,,theyve been at it for 4/5 years Now the cats out of the bag?
Seriously study the american baseball challenge system. One team gets one or two challenges and the manager asks for the var - not the refs and certainly not the var officials. Take that power out of their hands. Limit to the challenges mean they will try and use the challenge wisely.
in cricket most umpires are ex players!! football seems to be antiquated in its approach
In matches Danny refs don’t have all weekend to look at replays.
We’ve all seen poor decisions made before, especially for the top clubs.
Why should he defend incompetence that affects the integrity of the game.🤷♂️
Clubs should be able to hold the PGMOL accountable! They don't own football. It's a dictatorship!
Van dyke kick through Issac & gotba red card
Same type of kick Ashley Young did
But Young one isnt a penalty but VVD one is a redcard
Make it make sense
1. The on-field referee should be able to look at a replay whenever he wants.
2. VAR should simply set the footage where the referee asks for it to be, but offer no opinion.
3. No more offside lines... If the VAR cannot call it as off-side with the naked eye, then it's not offside... What attacking player benefits from being 2cm onside?
I do like the 3 stooges. Glad they decided to remake it.
Refereeing is an impossible job, players going down after every touch, being scrutinized for everything. But the cheating diving players get away with it.
All thos comments by HWebb is not defending the Ref😂😂😂
EIMON IS CLULESS
Is Murphy on something?
How can you defend it? He absolutely cheated (mutual engagement 😂 - those words aren’t in the rule book)
Danny Murphy constantly says on MOTD he’d make good referee. Just by his description of 2nd penalty he showing didn’t watch it properly as Young put his hand towards ball. Feel all these mini rules/laws referees have to adhere to is bollock trying to make football super complicated. If hits hand = hand ball unless ridiculously close, take someone’s legs from behind = penalty or free kick get it back to being simple! Also too technical on offsides it’s nonsense
here on display is the collective consciousness of a termite....
Murphy proved here that he would be an appalling VAR official, perhaps only slightly better than the people doing it now. 😉
Why not just program a ai to be ref ?
Ok Danny whatever you say😅. Seeing as your ex footballer you know everything😊
I think danny is being generous saying only one of them where pens or should of been personally I am more in agreement with souness that all three were pens really ok the first one you could argue either way if you want to however the other two are both stonewall for me I dont care what the law says your arm shouldnt be there and surely you would expect that to be given and the second one was even worse var described it as a coming together 🤣 he actaually kicks through the back of hudson- odoi surely it aint that difficult to notice that🤣 The one that made me laugh most recently was in the north london derby the penalty spurs were given ok they got that decision correct the worrying thing for me with that one it took var intervention to get that correct it looked like a simple decision to give a pen to me live the refs on the pitch need to do better aswell not only var🤔
How can Danny say he dived? Why can you not touch a defender shielding the ball out at the byline, without a ref always giving a free kick. Defenders always dive & get the free kick. What’s the difference?
What a bad argument look at ucl refree in bayern vs real. He was spot on with every call. English refrees are terrible not VAR
Old players n people who have connections to football... it's called an old pals act... All courupt
Why can NF not question the validity of a VAR official, when the PGMOL have exactly the same validity question in their own determination of referees. The only question is where the line is drawn. Humans are humans, and we shouldn't be allowing there to be any question if VAR are making multi million dollar decisions. Not fair on the clubs AND not fair on the officials. No official who's own club (significantly) benefits from the outcome ot a game should be officiating said game. Whether that's one of the clubs or another club that is involved (and we are talking HUGE impact here), it doesn't matter. Start by picking impartial officials...full stop. Then Noone would have the chance to question the officials' bias. Can anyone (Simon) honestly say that there isn't a slight chance that given the Referees narrative, that a VAR official with skin in the game wouldn't conveniently side with the ref. Who the hell are you kidding!
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And it depends what pay offs they are receiving from Man City's owners....
Stopped watching the Prem about a month ago, cant deal with the VAR/Refs. Worst in top level football by a mile.
Are you taking the piss? Clearest handball you will ever see. Youngs hand blocks the path of the ball. Absolute madness to think otherwise.
Sorry but you guys say what you need to play the party line… all three were penalties and forest have every right to question why a Luton fan is on the var team. Forest have constantly been on the wrong end of var this season and both forest and Everton have been PICKED on regards PSR, personally if I was in control of forest id shut up and just concentrate on playing the game but I can understand where they are coming from, we know for a fact most clubs would have failed PSR given the extremely quiet transfer window.. all in all the premier league is only about money now and the gulf between the championship and prem is getting bigger, furthermore there is an agenda to favour bigger clubs. Football is no longer about competition cos if it was we would not see the same teams year in and out at the top so why don’t you once and for all pull your heads out your asses and see the game for what it’s become. Soon it will be like WWE wrestling - for me the beautiful game has died and will never be what it was pre the premier league years when it was a proper competitive sport, it’s just boring now. Follow your grass roots clubs that’s what I say.
Watch a league one game watch a championship game referees guess with big decisions! Lino’s have already admitted in the past they basically guess! At what point do the mainstream media stop protecting refs and admit they are fit for purpose!