Andy Goldstein Feels EMBARRASSED Listening To Howard Webb On The Everton Vs Forest VAR Decisions! 👀😬

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  • Darren Bent & Andy Goldstein discuss Howard Webb's comments on the Nottingham Forest Vs Everton VAR decisions.
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  • @peterharwa9472
    @peterharwa9472 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +114

    The referees have no fear whatsoever of Howard Webb; they know there will be no consequences for their actions. He needs to resign ASAP.

    • @matthewbrears2129
      @matthewbrears2129 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      if they punished/removed referees ever time they made a mistake, we wouldn't have any football matches. A bigger issue for me is that there is a massive double standard with fouls inside vs outside the box. It's so so easy to give fouls for the softest, most predictable things outside the box (think Grealish or defenders shielding the ball then just falling to the ground), but as soon as it's inside the box, the severity has to be much higher.
      "Would that be a foul anywhere else on the pitch?"

    • @rishbademha
      @rishbademha 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sacking the best refs is not gonna make things better as all you will do is promote worse refs. Eventually I will get to refs games

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@rishbademha It is possible to have consequences short of a sacking. At this point, the expectation is there is no error so grievous that we actually expect anyone to be taken off the PL rotation at all. Taken off rotation for a week is rare as hen's teeth.

    • @thesedreamsarefree
      @thesedreamsarefree 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rishbademha But they're clearly more afraid of making decisions against the 'bigger' clubs, afraid of the club's response, afraid of the media, yet make decisions against 'smaller' clubs, just to show they're doing their job. Same with PSR rules, they punish Everton, Forest and Leicester but apparently not City. Nothing against City, as far as I'm concerned they won their trophies on the pitch and should keep them but the uneven treatment stinks. There are other ways to punish clubs rather than taking away points won on the pitch, transfer restrictions is one.

    • @blinkin78
      @blinkin78 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thesedreamsarefreeyou really need it explained to you after all these months? Forest and Everton pleaded GUILTY at the first chance for ONE charge and everyone moved on. City have 115 charges and are fighting the charge. I can’t believe this still needs to explained to people

  • @Watty7878
    @Watty7878 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +146

    Feels like entire season has match fixing written all over it.

    • @timbarrett8039
      @timbarrett8039 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The Premiership is a corrupt cartel!

    • @AItakover
      @AItakover 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Every single game..joke season

    • @RgjDj1878
      @RgjDj1878 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      I don’t think they match fix as such but they influence games. To be fair I think it was a penalty but as an Everton fan we have had some absolute howlers all season. Forrest got away with less than half the points of Everton for more than double overspend. The premier league want drama it helps their brand and viewership.

    • @ijjysmith
      @ijjysmith 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How is it match fixing when they’ve wanted Everton to go down all season?!?

  • @michaelmellish291
    @michaelmellish291 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +79

    Howard webb is embarassing...he thinks were all mugs

    • @joebloggs
      @joebloggs 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The reality is worse, he knows we are all mugs

    • @willie549
      @willie549 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      We are....😂

  • @cdeford2
    @cdeford2 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    The ref got it wrong, but what's worse is that with a perfect camera angle the VAR official was either completely blind or he doesn't know anything about football. He should be sacked for gross incompetence.

    • @lemdecrem1061
      @lemdecrem1061 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Or he's a Luton fan

    • @craigharriott5080
      @craigharriott5080 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Or they are cheating.

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Or he's a Luton fan

    • @marksmith7789
      @marksmith7789 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      None of them understand football and it's a huge problem.

    • @davidmarchant9386
      @davidmarchant9386 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      He's a LUTON FAN !!!

  • @2010LeeG
    @2010LeeG 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +172

    They are not getting it wrong, it's corrupt, all about money. Football is dead.

    • @AItakover
      @AItakover 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yes it's a fix.....scam season

    • @Gagefelstead
      @Gagefelstead 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      But if every club thinks they're corrupt against their club, who are they corrupt for?

    • @magikarpsplashy
      @magikarpsplashy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Money for whom exactly? What's the criteria for which teams they favour then?

    • @Upstairsforpete
      @Upstairsforpete 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes decided that a few years ago , I think even some of the games are rigged for TV..

    • @MrBrasserie
      @MrBrasserie 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Gagefelstead whos the team that doesn't get any bad calls?

  • @curtis1812
    @curtis1812 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    Darren Bent has been a class act since joining the show. Talks so much sense.

    • @onelove7252
      @onelove7252 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I wish He work with jey.

  • @judtindouglas9051
    @judtindouglas9051 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    All this AND STILL no one can even suggest corruption....

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      When you go way past rank incompetence, that leaves only corruption.

    • @mm89coyr
      @mm89coyr 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Once your above league one the refs are told who to favour in each game. Thats how they can get cup finals etc with the biggest tv appeal.
      It’s not totally match fixing but they enable a team as much as possible for this to happen. Look at recent decisions in that light and you’ll see. This comes from a ref btw. Forest have been earmarked for the relegation scrap all season because the owner is far more unpopular than any other team at the bottom.
      It is corruption. Taylor, Tierney and rob jones are the worst and most obvious at this. Taylor even smiled and smirked been accused of cheating at forest Newcastle. He heard, he knows and knew there was no camera.
      It’s embarrassing the standards are so poor. And it’s in danger of ruining the best entertainment product in the world

  • @immortalwolf1277
    @immortalwolf1277 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    So corruption forest was spot on

    • @wolvezy
      @wolvezy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Why would there be corruption In a game between forest and Everton? Makes no sense there is definitely corruption In games with the top 6 but not games like Everton forest

    • @immortalwolf1277
      @immortalwolf1277 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@wolvezy It has nothing to do with Everton Forest its the fact that both Ref and Var was never going to give a pen and lets be homiest two of them was %100 a pen .. So then you have to ask your self what did they have to gain by making the decisions . one you can take two is a joke but three maybe just maybe a Luton fan in the VAR who had something to gain . They have no one to answer to marking their own homework . Not just Forest Everton wolves the list goes on But i bet if that was Man city they would have gotten a pen

    • @mm89coyr
      @mm89coyr 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Once your above league one the refs are told who to favour in each game. Thats how they can get cup finals etc with the biggest tv appeal.
      It’s not totally match fixing but they enable a team as much as possible for this to happen. Look at recent decisions in that light and you’ll see. This comes from a ref btw. Forest have been earmarked for the relegation scrap all season because the owner is far more unpopular than any other team at the bottom.
      It is corruption. Taylor, Tierney and rob jones are the worst and most obvious at this. Taylor even smiled and smirked been accused of cheating at forest Newcastle. He heard, he knows and knew there was no camera.
      It’s embarrassing the standards are so poor. And it’s in danger of ruining the best entertainment product in the world

  • @carlcarter8799
    @carlcarter8799 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

    It amazes me how most people won't talk about football being corrupt,wherever there's money there's corruption,betting on football is huge,we see crazy decisions but there's no way it's corruption, that's crazy to me

    • @magikarpsplashy
      @magikarpsplashy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because none of you that claim corruption can back it up with anything tangible to explain why its corrupt, who is responsible for the corruption and how they decide where the corruption is going to be used

    • @carlcarter8799
      @carlcarter8799 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@magikarpsplashy you're right I have no tangible evidence,but common sense tells me with all the money and power involved there's obviously corruption especially when we see the crazy decisions that are made that affect games,I tell you what tho you can play the guitar pal👍

    • @magikarpsplashy
      @magikarpsplashy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@carlcarter8799 but my argument is who exactly corrupts it? Every team gets shocking decisions against them. Every team gets some for them. All the evidence really shows is that referees don't really have a clue what the rules are or how they're meant to implement them.

    • @carlcarter8799
      @carlcarter8799 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@magikarpsplashy I don't know who is exactly behind it ,it could be crime,government,the real people that run government's (the so called elites)

    • @gavin1834
      @gavin1834 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      As sad as this is and I have no evidence but I think it's 2 fold the Premier league loves all the conversation and story's around var decisions as it generates clicks and money and therefore keeps the Premier League at the top of algorithms across all platforms and that generate more eyes on their product also as the original poster hints at and is definitely happening in some shape would be in game match betting with syndicates in Asia, just think of all the other sports who have had issues with betting and peds but never anything in football seems odd

  • @bobo8638
    @bobo8638 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

    Mutual engagement 😂 normal contact 😂, young came straight through the back of player, and never touched the ball. Corrupt

    • @thesedreamsarefree
      @thesedreamsarefree 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not only that he had his arm locked around Hudson Odoi's elbow.

  • @hemant27
    @hemant27 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    Total shambles. The ref said Young played the ball so the two VAR assistants should be checking if he got the ball. He didn’t so that’s your clear error.

    • @kmrk4055
      @kmrk4055 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Absolutely right, and it is a pile of horse manure that obfuscation Howard Webb comes up with there, because the ref didn't decline the penalty on the grounds of not forceful enough contact he denied the penalty on the grounds that he (the defender) got the ball. If he was disabused of that erroneous belief he may well have given a penalty and I very firmly believe it was one. It would be too much for Webb to admit that they got at least two wrong. Instead he's comes up with an alternative reason why it wasn't a penalty but not the reason the ref gave.

    • @gustaaf1892
      @gustaaf1892 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      100% correct. That is the only thing they needed to look for and they missed it.

  • @MrBuurh
    @MrBuurh 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    The worst part is you hear the ref shouting 'he got the ball' when he clearly didn't 😂 how has VAR not seen that! They need to get rid of the clear & obvious error part as well, if it's a foul it's a foul!

  • @nottingham1
    @nottingham1 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +104

    The fact that a club could be relegated on the back of this shambles is disgusting.

    • @stephenconnolly2582
      @stephenconnolly2582 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      In fairness forest are shite regardless of the decision

    • @everton1335
      @everton1335 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      If you get relegated it's not because of this game.

    • @Camden0800
      @Camden0800 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Premier League is played over 38 games, not 1 decision.
      Cup competitions can be lost due to a refereeing error. For the league, you finish where you deserve.

    • @robdolman2256
      @robdolman2256 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Camden0800ahhh remember the good old days without var wouldnt need to point this out to the idiots 😂

    • @barriniho
      @barriniho 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It's not just 1 game, just search for a montage of bad decisions against forest this season already from refs.

  • @tgmaps
    @tgmaps 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    Stuart Attwell is either completely incompetent or did it on purpose.

    • @Steveck072
      @Steveck072 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      They scrubbed the recording to erase Atwell singing “We are Luton ..” and chanting “There’s only one Ross Barkley” before making his corrupt decisions.

    • @barryheaps4360
      @barryheaps4360 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He certainly is incompetent - or he may be putting straight a complete balls-up he made by disallowing a goal in Everton's first game of the season.

  • @Framebyframe181
    @Framebyframe181 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I couldn’t believe my eyes watching that Everton v Forest game,it was corruption right in front of our eyes and they got away with it and will continue to until every club takes a stand against the premier league and the PGMOL

  • @somiarehman4427
    @somiarehman4427 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    As a Forest fan we have been wronged in so many games. Corruption at its best.

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We all stand with you, this has to end.

    • @mm89coyr
      @mm89coyr 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Every game apart from two maybe three since November. They hate the owner and want us gone. Hopefully he puts the horses head in someone’s bed and turns their opinion of him round. Or starts flying them first class for holidays to uae like the Bahamians in charge of Man City. Maybe then they won’t have such a vendetta to get us back to the championship

  • @KevinMannix-sf5zk
    @KevinMannix-sf5zk 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    Howard Webb the awarder of so many penalties to Fergie's Man U
    Brings the whole history of the Premier league into disrepute

    • @onelove7252
      @onelove7252 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      He is the core of the problem.

    • @niyiashaolu3874
      @niyiashaolu3874 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      EXACTLY 💯

  • @davidfoulkes8907
    @davidfoulkes8907 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    so forest were right in there opinion but still be fined ....bullshit

  • @killy6729
    @killy6729 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    That VAR audio is shocking, something not right.

    • @juvwon
      @juvwon 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's mind boggling

  • @vincentleech2156
    @vincentleech2156 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Bundesliga use it and don't have the issue we seem to be having. Tbh there must be corruption to not see it was a penalty.

  • @Bing-a-ling
    @Bing-a-ling 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    The same ref who inexplicably stopped Cody Gakpo from scoring against West Ham the other day and then made the West Ham keeper go down injured and got the physio on to try and justify him stopping the play....the same ref who was demoted to the Championship earlier this season for a horrendous penalty decision in the Newcastle V Wolves game.....if i could be bothered looking I'm sure i could find many more examples but all this in one season is surely enough to tell us that Anthony Taylor is not competent enough to be a top flight referee.

  • @jmc4226
    @jmc4226 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    VAR has took more out of the game than it’s brought to the game. If we kept goal line technology and maybe semi automated offsides I’d be happy with that. Give us our beautiful game back

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Game's gone and it's never coming back. They've got it now where they can get a decision 100% wrong and the media will protect them and the person that made the decision will be rewarded. You can't question the official and regardless of how many times they get a decision wrong they'll still lie to you and say it's made the game better. It's over.

    • @paulhynes170
      @paulhynes170 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I don't understand why they used it in the FA Cup when is not used at all lower league grounds

    • @user-mv7kh5sv9z
      @user-mv7kh5sv9z 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      *I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

    • @gladiatorscoops4907
      @gladiatorscoops4907 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Its destroys the immediacy of the sport too. Players dont celebrate the same way anymore, viewers dont celebrate the same, there is a disconnect. Watched Madrid vs Bayern yesterday - no VAR intervention and it was fantastic, so free flowing.

    • @MikeK01
      @MikeK01 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      100%. That euphoric feeling when the ball hit the back of the net, that we all lived for, has been dampened so much. I find it really sad. I would rather have the occasional match ruined by a bad decision, than every match ruined by VAR.

  • @Jiminy_Bob
    @Jiminy_Bob 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Attwell did everything possible not to give the penalty. Whether its incompetence, unconscious bias or whatever, his language and the phrases he used scream he didn't want to give it.

  • @roxammon5858
    @roxammon5858 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Var isnt the problem - it is the match officials

  • @chrismeakin7830
    @chrismeakin7830 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Seriously. How on earth can they come down hard on Forest after that. It looks dubious & so easy to come to the Forest take on it.

  • @roodersclive8654
    @roodersclive8654 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    VAR has killed football. Anyone arguing otherwise is deluded. The worst part for me are actually the forensic offside calls. Just give the benefit to the striker. Fans accepted this.

    • @user-mv7kh5sv9z
      @user-mv7kh5sv9z 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      *I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

    • @trevisobrando8971
      @trevisobrando8971 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      100%, the “forensic offside calls” are the most painful thing I’ve seen come into football, can only hope this VAR plague will destroy itself

  • @tonylam4549
    @tonylam4549 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    The VAR team can't possibly be that bad. Not possible if everyone else can see the foul clearly, even without the tech. The only conclusion is that there is something else going on. This is not human error.

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Totally agree. And the handball was a penalty too, especially if it was Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool or the likes screaming for a penalty, but because it wasn't a top team and the VAR ref supported Luton, that wasn't a penalty either.

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Think of the hundreds of millions of pounds bet on PL games all over the world and there's your answer.

  • @dangerousdave74
    @dangerousdave74 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I'm glad that you guys are saying these things. I thought all 3 were penalties based on what I've seen given over the season. Then the PGMOL decides to move the threshold after most of those were given and not tell anyone, that's corruption there.

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yup. PGMOL simply changed the rules in the middle of a contest, and gaslighting anyone who notices. There is not the slightest doubt about softer contact be given earlier in the season.

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It simply depends on the team shouting for a penalty. If it's Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool or the likes, it's a penalty. If it's Everton, Wolves, Forest etc it isn't. Total corruption.

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zig_ziggy Liverpool's Alexis MacAllister getting kicked with studs hard in the chest in the Man Ciry box for a no call is in the running for top 20 refereeing gaffs this season.
      Admittedly, the competition for that list is really stiff this season.

  • @TheJWRB
    @TheJWRB 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    "mutual engagement between both of them before the tackle", so a player can fully wipe someone out from the back ...............

  • @liamclarke5275
    @liamclarke5275 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

    The Swedish league voted not to introduce VAR, not to remove it.

  • @thesedreamsarefree
    @thesedreamsarefree 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    If you play it back in 0.25 speed he not only goes through him he has his arm locked around Hudson Odoi's elbow. The VAR failed. Forest are likely to be fined for querying the fact VAR official is a Luton fan (nothing against Luton, they're innocent in this as Forest are. It's not that Attwell is being accused of bias, but it's a fact that he is a Luton fan and those decisions do invite the question of bias. No one is saying he deliberately made wrong calls but in close ones could he be, slightly, involuntarily, tipping that way? Why even invite the possibility? Was it unreasonable for Forest to point it out before the game? It's not the same thing as accusing, just taking no chance. Apart from that VAR stinks. It's made the game all about the officials.

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Your being too kind. We would all love a world where the correct call was made by referees with integrity. That Forest have been slammed by the media for raising the matter, shows how deep the corruption has gone. Watch the TH-cam highlights of that game in slo-mo and make your own decision on how many penalties VAR should have have called. The last call was corruption, pure and simple.

    • @thesedreamsarefree
      @thesedreamsarefree 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@zig_ziggy Yeah, and wow, how some of the media have gone to town about Forest's complaints. If the number of decisions that Forest had go against them this season happened against either Utd or Liverpool then both Neville and Jamie Carragher would be claiming a vendetta against their clubs. Every team gets decisions go against them but it seems to be every game with Forest and they all seem to be big ones, like against Bournmouth, Boly being sent of for a foul on him (PGMOL apologised), against Man U, Joe Worrall gives away penalty and sent off as last man when another player was clearly last man, Ryan Yates fouled in box at home against Everton, clear as daylight, no penalty, against Newcastle keeper brings down Aywoniyi, his whole arm up to his shoulder was under the striker's leg, Williams against West Ham should have had a penalty, the farce against Liverpool when ref stopped game for an injury, Forest had the ball, if that had been inside the box it would be given to the keeper but it was outside box and Forest should have kept it. Liverpool given the ball and went on to score. Then these three bad decisions in one game in which it seems that VAR wasn't even going to look at any of them in detail. If Forest bring up that he's a Luton fan it's true, to ask why someone with an emotional connection to the result is fair, it's not saying he cheated, just saying he shouldn't be there, to avoid the remote possibility he might. I'd rather go back to the days when human error costs games instead of overbearing, self important teams of officials interfering with the flow of the game, taking up time which adds to the pressure, kitchen sink minutes at the end and still getting it wrong!

  • @neilshaw3055
    @neilshaw3055 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    It’s killing football

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The rules of the game are not actually designed for a technological binary decision, it's all "in the opinion of the referee" and "seeking to gain advantage" not if the attackers toe is before an imaginary line drawn by a computer.

  • @mydayis5
    @mydayis5 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Don’t ask the clubs to vote on scrapping VAR!! ASK THE SEASON TICKET HOLDERS THAT PAY TO WATCH THE GAMES!!
    My team Leicester have just got promoted back to the PL, but I will definitely miss VARless Championship football.😢

  • @bbdavoe
    @bbdavoe 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Tell me why referees when addressing VAR officials always sound like they are trying to influence the decision?

    • @AItakover
      @AItakover 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because its biased rubbish

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Because these are not serious professionals, but mates more worried about not embarrassing each other than doing their jobs.

  • @nicksimpson4058
    @nicksimpson4058 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Not often i agree with goldstein but hes spot on her. The referee's involved should be sacked. He doesnt play the ball, its a foul. What on earth are they talking about?
    To me that sounds like someone trying to not tell his mate hes got it wrong

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They can't sack him they've just said he's one of the 4 best ref's in the UK. Let that sink in. The person who could not see that a person sliding through the back of a player and not even touching the ball was a foul in the penalty area is at least the 4th best referee in the UK. If they sack him they'll only have 3 ref's left. And just to add insult to injury one of those top 3 referee's couldn't see how Declan Rice kicking a player in the groin was a foul. What an absolute state the officiating is in.

    • @Camden0800
      @Camden0800 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sack someone for a mistake? Guess every player needs sacking as well then.

    • @nicksimpson4058
      @nicksimpson4058 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Camden0800 it's corruption, pure and simple. A mistake happens every so often but it's getting to the point where it's literally every game now

    • @thesedreamsarefree
      @thesedreamsarefree 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Camden0800 A referee is entitled to make a mistake in real time. VAR can freeze real time, wind it back, repeat it over and over again. What's the excuse for that?

    • @SirAntoniousBlock
      @SirAntoniousBlock 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not the referees fault, I used to referee and its hard in real time, but when you have the benefit of replay it's supposed to help.
      _'To me that sounds like someone trying to not tell his mate hes got it wrong'_
      Mike Dean actually admitted he refused to tell Anthony Taylor that Romero had pulled Cucharellos hair because "he was a mate and he'd had a hard game", now refusal to enact the rules whether for friendship or financial gain is the same thing- Corruption, yet no action was taken against Dean.

  • @Cbart23
    @Cbart23 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    They should only have the automated offside and goal line technology. Nothing else for var.

  • @africareigns
    @africareigns 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I can imagine match fixing syndicates in the Far East are making billions off of the epl.

  • @carlossiK
    @carlossiK 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    It's rigged, they are all in a betting syndicate..I don't understand why people say you can't question their integrity, are they not human?

  • @davidarcher5770
    @davidarcher5770 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Young was the last man ,so it was a sending off as well as a penalty

    • @eddie_1878
      @eddie_1878 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Hasn’t been the case for years. If the challenge is for the ball the result can’t be a red & penalty.

    • @victorajuwa3627
      @victorajuwa3627 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Only a red card if the foul is outside the box and he is the last man.

    • @tgmaps
      @tgmaps 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@eddie_1878 Except for Forest then

    • @josephkerrigan733
      @josephkerrigan733 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@eddie_1878 It wasn't for the ball. It was for the man.

    • @eddie_1878
      @eddie_1878 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@josephkerrigan733 no, it was a challenge for the ball.

  • @thomashopley2705
    @thomashopley2705 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    “If they can’t see anything wrong that last penalty decision, there’s something seriously wrong with that”
    No there’s something seriously “unfit for purpose” with that Darren. Call it out for what it is.

  • @CourageOfMyConvictions
    @CourageOfMyConvictions 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Finally a media outlet not trying to side with the PGMOL, soften their words, or downplay the errors in the match (and the wider season)

  • @robertcrowley3129
    @robertcrowley3129 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Embarrassing is an understatement 😡😡😡😡😡

  • @stevenosullivan187
    @stevenosullivan187 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The only thing I ever agreed with Andy on . Just slow it down and get the right decision made . You can say incompetence but for how long until it comes across as corrupt?😊

  • @robnicholson4942
    @robnicholson4942 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That VAR analysis is not much better than a couple of fans sitting on the settee with a few beers getting excited about the match. Distinct lack of calm, professional, articulate assessment. Amateurish.

  • @Hearyehearye515
    @Hearyehearye515 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    It’s a result of sub conscious bias. There you go. Mystery solved. Not corruption. Not deliberate. Just sub conscious bias. That’s why certain refs don’t ref certain games. It’s common sense. What would be great is if the media commented on all the other INEXPLICABLE errors Forest have suffered leading up to the tweet, which taken in context was an entirely reasonable response. Maybe should have been worded differently. That’s it.

  • @arunbelur6759
    @arunbelur6759 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Why can’t the premier league mike up the refs like they do in the NFL and NBA. Explain the call made. Then no one has to speculate what’s going on. VAR rules have not been made clear to the fans or even the players and managers.

    • @Camden0800
      @Camden0800 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Because IFAB doesn't allow it. It's nothing to do with the Premier League.

    • @jaxcoss5790
      @jaxcoss5790 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      NFL and NBA? 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @JAPARICAN50-50
      @JAPARICAN50-50 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The pgmol wants that but ifab won’t allow it

    • @user-mv7kh5sv9z
      @user-mv7kh5sv9z 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      What difference is listening-in on something you still have no control over is going to make?! The same old Monday morning apology will be the order of the day. That's not "transparency"

  • @chrisrpm8728
    @chrisrpm8728 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Why are pundits everywhere so against talking about corruption? It’s staring you right in the face!

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The pundits are all part of the corruption.

    • @rupertwilmot4792
      @rupertwilmot4792 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think there will be severe consequences for both them and the company they’re working for

  • @leesteven4739
    @leesteven4739 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Forest and Wolves would both be about 9 points better off this season if the refs had done their jobs properly. The fact Forest could go down because of it leaves a bit of a bad taste tbh

  • @richarddawson8479
    @richarddawson8479 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Man City has over 100 ffp discrepancies, what is going on, money rules, is Seb and platini running this lot

  • @xrovyn
    @xrovyn 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "they come together" LMAO shamesless

  • @shaunpatterson87
    @shaunpatterson87 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We should be aloud to listen to all the var live

  • @Hydee321
    @Hydee321 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The luton fan in the VAR booth did NUFC dirty

  • @mikeandrew4948
    @mikeandrew4948 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    gotta say though im impressed with how many different ways they have avoided admitting its rigged lol its literally right in front of our eyes and they wont even accept they made an error lol football is laughable right now

  • @mr.lucien2876
    @mr.lucien2876 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Nah this embarrassing onfield ref doesn't give it because he thought Young played the ball. How does VAR look at that and say he plays the ball? 🤣

  • @tonysullivan2019
    @tonysullivan2019 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The thing i find most hilarious is they are titled as Professional Referee's or do they really mean entitled?

  • @bewd4310
    @bewd4310 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Also that Ashley Young and when he was playing for them Holgate have previous for horrendous tackles. You'd think he of all people is getting pulled up for this not let off with it. They are bankers for a yellow on par with Casemiro and Romero etc..

  • @BritishRosie-es3zr
    @BritishRosie-es3zr 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Forest need to sue the PGMOL for damages. If they lose millions of pounds they might be forced to change, otherwise they will keep doing this

    • @user-up5je1oq1o
      @user-up5je1oq1o 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Spot on. It’s up to little Forest to stand up to the corruption on behalf of football, huge applause to Forest and their supporters for making a fight out of this

  • @keithc9461
    @keithc9461 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How have we got exclude axcess to one game? let's get access to all contentious desisions through the season

  • @nimzylott8880
    @nimzylott8880 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Andy saying he asks his wife on incidents to get a impartial view and then later said even his dog gets decisions right 😂

  • @BritishRosie-es3zr
    @BritishRosie-es3zr 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "How can they not see this" The VAR was a Luton fan! He did see it, he contrived the outcome. ffs

  • @dawabest10
    @dawabest10 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The most hated guy in internet right now.....goes to HOWARD WEBB.

  • @bewd4310
    @bewd4310 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Var-se benefits the big teams and the bookies. 👍 Simple as that.

  • @acesidhu6508
    @acesidhu6508 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Why not have it like cricket (where each team has a given number of VAR appeals which they can use for any situation, with their number of appeals remaining intact if they're right)?

    • @MaxLegr00m
      @MaxLegr00m 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That doesn’t take the mentally incompetent decisions out of it tho

    • @tomjones9934
      @tomjones9934 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      So you have all your appeals and then a blatantly obvious mistake is made !

  • @jasonwright606
    @jasonwright606 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "Mutual engagement"? What?!!! This is corruption in plain sight.

  • @tommyk3436
    @tommyk3436 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Your right Darren, all 3 were pens, and anyone with a little bit of knowledge would know this

  • @thechubbymagpie2018
    @thechubbymagpie2018 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    99% of the football i watch is the PL as a Swedish.
    And sure there is missed offsides with 2cm sometimes, a wrong penalty or something for your team here now. You get upset, But you get over it and can understand.
    When you watch the PL and there is more wrong each round with VAR, then what is the point?
    And to see a goal and know it is a goal, not wait to see if they might find a toe offside, a little nudge by a defender in the build up or what ever.
    VAR is truly taking the fun out of it. Weather statistics says it gets more correct or not.
    Now referees in PL is just not blowing insteed and just rely on VAR to call for the penalty insteed. (Spurs penalty this weekend prime example of this)

    • @user-mv7kh5sv9z
      @user-mv7kh5sv9z 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      *I HATE V🖥️R* . It has been the worst thing to be introduced to football. The same Monday morning apologies are going to be the order of the day for seaons to come.

  • @immortalwolf1277
    @immortalwolf1277 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think you need to say sorry to forest

  • @weeds56
    @weeds56 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Because they don’t want to see it.

  • @devannaicker9537
    @devannaicker9537 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Problem is var officials are confused about whether they are referring or reviewing. It needs to be made clear that their job is to review critical incidents and allow ref to make the decisions by reviewing the incident.

  • @MrWiggz69
    @MrWiggz69 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The problem with VAR is the consistency. The game needs it but there needs to be a baseline.
    Why we haven't established a fixed set of VAR operators at this point is beyond me. I know that there are multiple games every weekend but to not have a baseline means the system by design is flawed.

  • @graham212red
    @graham212red 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the hand ball by young was a definet penalty to

  • @andrewmoore8432
    @andrewmoore8432 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This has made me more angry. How can this be OK????

    • @Youafool500
      @Youafool500 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well it was ok the previous month when Webb and Owen talked about the City foul in the last seconds against Liverpool last month, Webb needs to resign, he is not fit for the job

  • @hennessy8824
    @hennessy8824 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Going to call it now There is going to be a big VAR call before the end of the season that's going to end with somebody going down massive decision

  • @markjeffries8150
    @markjeffries8150 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Supposed to be a professional body but it Tayls and Longy. Tells you everything you need to know

  • @andymoore7556
    @andymoore7556 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Ex players aren’t part of the boys club, just in case they go rogue and expose the size of corruption in our once beautiful game

  • @timtum1980
    @timtum1980 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Should have a PFA Approved advisor in the VAR room to advise during the matches

  • @jacklondoninexile
    @jacklondoninexile 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If VAR was scrapped you would still get (occasional?) howlers from refs who were unsighted, but these are ultimately palatable for fans as they (hopefully) even out through the season..it’s so much harder to stomach when blatant & costly errors are made by VAR officials who have unfettered access on a technical level.

  • @user-up5je1oq1o
    @user-up5je1oq1o 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Forest have therefore been proven correct. Any fine on Forest will not be paid and Forest will take this as evidence. Forest are proving a valuable lesson, stop the bullying and stop the corruption

  • @kevinmoss6428
    @kevinmoss6428 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    And we all thought VAR would get rid of Refereeing incompetence

  • @willk9847
    @willk9847 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    why not put it on the screen when play is stopped like rugby?

  • @adebolabloke6962
    @adebolabloke6962 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel that VAR should also be used to determine the players minds and thought process too.

  • @MrSmash85
    @MrSmash85 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ex players shouldn't be allowed in. Can you imagine if people like Rio was in the VAR room? His bias knows no bounds

  • @samtaylor2631
    @samtaylor2631 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m not sure what I find most worrying is the idea that the first was put forward the others two decisions are subjective. Does that mean the officials aren’t clear on the rules does the players arm stop the ball going to its intended purpose and does he try to get out the way? Answer is no but then to suggest the main incident was a tussle when he has actually tackled the player from behind. It actually cost Forest points as all key incidents affected the game directly. Having read Forest statement which was absurd listening to this doesn’t do a lot to persuade you they are wrong.

  • @realgems24
    @realgems24 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I dear someone to argue that football is not corrupt. They are being paid off so one team can come out on top.

  • @Swan42088
    @Swan42088 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They both look like their dressed from the 90s lol, not that there's really anything wrong with that ,it was my era growing up, but the denim, and the Adidas jumper and the t-shirt with the collar out the top lol, very 90s I reckon

  • @marksmith7789
    @marksmith7789 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    They shouldn't be asking the clubs they should be asking the fans! It's our hard earned and increasingly scarce money that is supporting the joke that is the EPL. Stop going to games, everyone go to the Championship because the games are way more enjoyable with no VAR. Give the game back to the people who pay for it!

  • @user-xd9ht5bk3d
    @user-xd9ht5bk3d 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Use the 2 review system as used in cricket.

  • @davidhardie5644
    @davidhardie5644 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Referees and var are all mates that says it all

  • @garyoneill9863
    @garyoneill9863 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Var isn’t the problem, it’s the people in charge of it that are.

  • @liamclarke5275
    @liamclarke5275 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The rushing decisions and high bar for over turning the onfield ref is 100% Howard Webb mandates. Its exactly what he said he wanted to do when he got the job.

  • @sean5811
    @sean5811 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why are the only people that can hear the conversations are the commentators and officials. The crowd and Managers should be able to hear what is being said. What are they hiding.

    • @zig_ziggy
      @zig_ziggy 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The truth.

  • @scal5134
    @scal5134 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After watching Dortmund v PSG tonight, Germany has a PORCHE version of VAR.
    We have a FORD FEISTA Mk 1 version!

  • @leeandrew6555
    @leeandrew6555 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Forest would be on the beach now if VAR could do it's job.

  • @backupdancer3720
    @backupdancer3720 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    VAR is basically job creation for referees...then the referees don't do the job.
    Lovely.

    • @paulhynes170
      @paulhynes170 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      like shelf service tills in supermarkets

  • @Pappa953
    @Pappa953 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    VAR will only work when the REf requests help Rather than VAR Stepping in and undermining the Ref's confidence for the remainder of the game. Ref to decide ask 'was he offside?' Not have an automatic check looking for reasons.

  • @Ant-the-Hat
    @Ant-the-Hat 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awful to watch the Ref and VAR, feel for Nottingham Forest, don’t forget the other two decisions, in my opinion all three were pens

  • @paulboswell6690
    @paulboswell6690 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Not only killing the great game But making it seem we got the most corrupted refs on the planet You would have to be blind not to see that was a penalty Sack them bring in x footballers

  • @DanielHallmusic
    @DanielHallmusic 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Please can someone bring up and discuss the idea why the Premier League cannot introduce a "Captains Call" once in each half by each captain to request VAR or the referee to look at the monitor. They do this in cricket and rugby league here is Australia and this very quickly overturns and fixes any bad decisions. Even a Tennis player is granted three unsuccessful challenges per set! This will reduce bad calls and even it all out per game for each team. Please discuss or even better ask the powers above to consider this. Its not rocket science but certainly feels like it currently which is ruining the game.

  • @marksmith334
    @marksmith334 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I feel embarrassed every time I hear Goldstein on the radio

  • @MrDumile
    @MrDumile 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No....in other words Webb is saying the incident was a sporting incident. Some get given, some wont...go with with the Ref (referees descretion) unless there is a glaring issue....which there wasnt