I mean to be honest, certain characters and ideas TK has done has not all been miserable stories, Vision comes to mind. Felt like a super-horror comic. I liked it. But his CSS (cascading style sheet) template IS ‘absolutely miserable’ applied to every male character, with a dash of mommy-wife. Id hate to see this happen to Mr Miracle right out of the gates.
Tom King lay on his side in the foetal position, sobbing inconsolably, the way that he had been trained by the CIA. “They're geniuses. They're both geniuses,” he repeated to himself, as he choked back breaking waves of emotion. “Who's a genius?” enquired his DCU-appointed mommy-wife, leaning-in to the emotional labour that she would one day use to cancel the pitiful figure who lay quivering on the linoleum at her feet. King indicated a frozen image of Joe and Perch framed within the borders of a tablet device in their letterman jackets. They were standing back-to-back with their arms folded in a defiant chad-like pose of unbreakable friendship, as if they were about to rappel from a Blackhawk helicopter in a two-man raid on Lex Luthor's Alpine ski lodge. “Now, who was the writer who made everybody hate the idea of reading a Batman comic for a while?” consoled the mommy-wife, reciting the script that was being projected onto the wall in front of her. “I did,” said King, suddenly brightening. “Who is the man cited by James Gunn as the inspiration for the forthcoming DC Mopeyverse?” “I am!” “And who is James Gunn?” “A man of unimpeachable moral character, whose tendency towards extreme edgelord humour will in no way make him a liability to a beleaguered movie studio that is already buckling under the weight of scandal and dubious creative choices!” “Now go get 'em tiger!” said the Mommy-wife, as she retreated to the shower, where she would attempt to scrub away her shame. King did not rise. Instead he waited for his combined tears to lift him from the floor and carry him on their current, like a jellyfish or a piece of seaweed, to his writing desk.
Both are bad in different ways Batman versus Superman was bad for being dark and gritty Batman and robin was bad for being goofy and campy. both are bad. Different kinds of bad but still not something worth your time money or attention.
Sad Pitch: Bruce Wayne is preparing a surprise party for Alfred's birthday. He sends out the invitations, hires a catering crew and entertainment. The big night comes and only Dick shows up from the guest list. It turns out Bruce took a recent blow to the head and forgot that Alfred is dead.
@@clonegeek3317 After Guardians and Suicide Squad I do have some faith in Gunn. I don't know what aspects of King's writing he admires but using him as a template would basically just be doing the same thing Zack Snyder did. But with less style.
Ive read a few ppl say they “loved” Mr Miracle. I was like: 1) have you ever read Kirby’s Scott Free, or Keith Geffen/JM Dematteis’s Bwahaha Era JLI 2) Are you on meds
Joe clearly didn't think through the Deadman pitch. The girl obviously dies and finds out Cyrano-style she was really in love with Brand. But Adam is jealous and kills himself to win her back.
Bad pitch: Speedball is triggered by a documentary about the superhero Civil War. He then decides the only path to peace is to kill all super-powered beings. He's deep down this path, having killed a number of C-List heroes. He's about to kill Captain America when his cat takes the blow, shocking Speedball out of it. He then turns himself in to get help.
@@benevolentremnant2949 I kind of want to do that just as a parody. Sadly, I'd probably be praised for addressing such sensitive topics in a brave and honest manner.
Imagine if Kibblesmith's New Warriors outlawed wasn't cancelled it would definitely go there with since they ignored Speedball's amendments with Civil war in Fear Itself.
We kind of already got "Forgotten Super-robot-duplicate turns murderous" in the Young Justice/Titans: Graduation Day crossover, where a Superman Robot kills Donna Troy (among others). Not sure if you were intentionally referencing that. Joe's pitch sounds a lot more King-esque though.
A Tom King Superman pitch: On earth -78, Jor-El is telling everyone that Krypton is dying. Nobody believes him, including his wife, but he is convinced. An earthquake hits and he sends the ship with Kal-el up in the sky. The ship malfunctions and gets blasted in the air.. And here's the twist, the planet doesn't die. He was wrong all along. 20 years later.. Jor-el is a drunk and is very miserable. Lara left him and is happily married to a woman and they have kids who are now old enough to go to university. Every one makes fun of him all the time. We can show that Jor-el visits this brothel every week, but this time even the hooker refuses and is kicked out... And this is when Thomas Wayne from Flashpoint comes in using a portal and takes him to Earth, and gives him a chance to redeem himself.. But can he really redeem himself?
In Italy, January 6 is celebrated as the day of La Befana, who is an old woman who brings good children a treat in the early morning before the sun rises, while bad children receive a lump of coal. I bet Perch would have received lots of treats if he'd been born in Italy while Mumbles could have opened his own coal supply business.
bad pitch marvels newest teenage super hero is a straight white male to make it more controversial he's southern and to make it super controversial he starts a relationship with Riri Willaims
How about not only is Uncle Ben really a crazy murderer named Roy who stole his identity, the real Uncle Ben comes home and it turns out Roy was actually Ben's clone the whole time? Which is why May never noticed either.
There was a similar Superman story called "The secret Guardian of Smallville" where Superman discovers a Superboy robot is still protecting Smallville. Why that's a problem, I still have no idea. But Superman can't have it!
My pitch is titled "She Dropped the Baby". Wonder Woman undergoes a type of "Lone Wolf & Cub" adventure where she must protect a baby that is destined to spread more goodness around the World. Despite getting some assistance from her fellow superheroes there is constant peril from various foes. Diana truly loves this child but in the end she decides to entrust it to a normal family. The reason? She accidentally dropped the baby and has fears she'll be a bad mother.
I hate how realistic Joe's pitches are because I can absolutely see these happening. But, I believe that Mark Millar already wrote the definitive Ben Parker story ;)
Bad unfinished pitch: uncle Ben a second life. Uncle Ben's secret second family comes to New York to find out what happened to him. May Sanchez Parker, and her nephew, Peter Javier Parker. You see that night he was killed he actually intended to head back to his second family. So all through out the comic you can have both May's running into each other unaware of there connection. The second story we have second Peter meeting MJ and them having a fling. How far you want go with would be up to editors.
I Got a Sad Pitch. DC *Mikey Devante aka Son of Vulcan/Vulcan* He is now retaining his Old Memories from Before New 52 where he was left comatose after Trigon attack him and the rest of the Titans East. Exactly like Lagoon Boy remember his Old Memories from Tom King's Heroes in Crisis. Vulcan is Visited Lagoon Boy's grave and Vulcan have Survivor guilt and depression that no one appreciated him being a hero, no one know who we is nor remember his near death experience in new earth/post crisis universe. He gotta so depress he gone and star killing bad guy so people would notice him. The Title is Who is Vulcan? Marvel: Arcade woke up and he have cancer and it's Fatal. And he wants to undo all the evil things he done. He grown bored of killing so now He goes out the world to make a better place it's slice of life comedy. He even go to space and find Cammi to get her back into her human form. And revive all the Teen Heroes from Avengers Arena.
What about the CEO of bigbellyburger and their offshore batburger to be a batman/flash villain: Fraser Mcfadess aka the Big-Belly Baron. Fraser would try to build a batburger at oracle's clocktower or at one of batman's gotham bases
I'm gonna get hate for this, but the Whatever Happened to the Girl of Steel pitch has some good bones. I think it could work if some of the weirder stuff was removed.
I mean that Deadman story doesn't sound too far from some of his other adventures, just more dragged out and boring. I was entertained until you said Riley Rossmo. Truly a terrible pitch.
I'd definitely read a story about evil robot Supergirl killing children with the right creative team. DC are likely too cowardly to do something like that now though.
I am happy I stopped buying/reading supergirl by King at #2. I do not touch a Tom King book going forward. 2023 is Tom King free! Reading his Adam Stange in collected form nearly resulted in death from boredom. Is that possible? Can someone die from boredom caused by a meandering, pointless story that takes forever to go nowhere? Tom King obviously "writes well" from a technical perspective and is obviously knowledgable and intelligent. I think that part of the problem is that King seems to constantly be trying to show you how intelligent he is.
January 6 is the Epiphany or three kings day, when the three wise men presented gifts to Jesus. Why is this over 47 minutes long? Do we really need this?
Supergirl is Dead- the Cow story is a rip-off of Far Side - the Ben Parker idea... sorry... it "sucks"... so do that one for sure because he is dead as well - and dare I say "DEADman" (I think I see a pattern) - oh Wonder Man another DEAD hero - ok now I have a headack - as a "real" fan of heroes, when they die, dead is DEAD!
Ok hearing that Gunn is a King fan and is using his writing as an influence is all the proof we need that the movies are going down in flames.
I mean to be honest, certain characters and ideas TK has done has not all been miserable stories, Vision comes to mind. Felt like a super-horror comic. I liked it.
But his CSS (cascading style sheet) template IS ‘absolutely miserable’ applied to every male character, with a dash of mommy-wife.
Id hate to see this happen to Mr Miracle right out of the gates.
@@ferrarriohh he already did it to me miracle
The Roof! The Roof! The Roof is on fire! Burn, baby. Burn, baby. Baby, burn! 😄
Tom King lay on his side in the foetal position, sobbing inconsolably, the way that he had been trained by the CIA.
“They're geniuses. They're both geniuses,” he repeated to himself, as he choked back breaking waves of emotion.
“Who's a genius?” enquired his DCU-appointed mommy-wife, leaning-in to the emotional labour that she would one day use to cancel the pitiful figure who lay quivering on the linoleum at her feet.
King indicated a frozen image of Joe and Perch framed within the borders of a tablet device in their letterman jackets. They were standing back-to-back with their arms folded in a defiant chad-like pose of unbreakable friendship, as if they were about to rappel from a Blackhawk helicopter in a two-man raid on Lex Luthor's Alpine ski lodge.
“Now, who was the writer who made everybody hate the idea of reading a Batman comic for a while?” consoled the mommy-wife, reciting the script that was being projected onto the wall in front of her.
“I did,” said King, suddenly brightening.
“Who is the man cited by James Gunn as the inspiration for the forthcoming DC Mopeyverse?”
“I am!”
“And who is James Gunn?”
“A man of unimpeachable moral character, whose tendency towards extreme edgelord humour will in no way make him a liability to a beleaguered movie studio that is already buckling under the weight of scandal and dubious creative choices!”
“Now go get 'em tiger!” said the Mommy-wife, as she retreated to the shower, where she would attempt to scrub away her shame.
King did not rise. Instead he waited for his combined tears to lift him from the floor and carry him on their current, like a jellyfish or a piece of seaweed, to his writing desk.
Tom King novel when?
If James Gunn thinks Tom King is an improvement over Zack Snyder then we're in trouble.
Both are bad in different ways Batman versus Superman was bad for being dark and gritty Batman and robin was bad for being goofy and campy. both are bad. Different kinds of bad but still not something worth your time money or attention.
Troma-tized.
Hahaha that’s good
"You're firing on all cylinders here"
"Thank you" lmao
i really thought we were on a very deep level of sarcasm but apparently james gunn actually did praise tom king.
i really wish you were sarcastic.
Sad Pitch: Bruce Wayne is preparing a surprise party for Alfred's birthday. He sends out the invitations, hires a catering crew and entertainment. The big night comes and only Dick shows up from the guest list. It turns out Bruce took a recent blow to the head and forgot that Alfred is dead.
The best tom king story he never wrote
45:49 perch is referring to the favor for favor deal when it comes to the "awards" I see what you were about to say 😏
Everytime I remember that James Gunn is a Tom King fan I am sadnned .
Tom King is capable of good writing when he's not using it for a therapy session.
@@drewtheunspoken3988 I hope that James Gunn doesn't further the damage to Adam Strange
@@clonegeek3317 After Guardians and Suicide Squad I do have some faith in Gunn. I don't know what aspects of King's writing he admires but using him as a template would basically just be doing the same thing Zack Snyder did. But with less style.
@@drewtheunspoken3988 Yeah, I do hope that Gunn doesn't love ALL of King's work and understands some of the flaws of it
Ive read a few ppl say they “loved” Mr Miracle.
I was like:
1) have you ever read Kirby’s Scott Free, or Keith Geffen/JM Dematteis’s Bwahaha Era JLI
2) Are you on meds
These are my favourite videos, lots of fun.
“I think 8 would be a good number… so let’s make it 12”.
Classic.
Shit, that first Supergirl pitch doesn't sound...that bad...
Honestly, take out the marital strife issue, and write it well, and I'd enjoy it. I'm all for deep cuts to old lore, and evil robots are cool
I dunnooo a series about a Skrull learning how to be a cow sounds kind of funny enough for me to read?
I can just imagine Tom King sitting there listening to the video with a legal pad, furiously taking notes.
These rule!! I can't wait. Sad comics pitch session makes me ridiculously happy.
So Cyborg Supergirl?
Hard to see how it could be weirder than Matrix Entity/Angel Supergirl tbh
Joe clearly didn't think through the Deadman pitch. The girl obviously dies and finds out Cyrano-style she was really in love with Brand. But Adam is jealous and kills himself to win her back.
Bad pitch: Speedball is triggered by a documentary about the superhero Civil War. He then decides the only path to peace is to kill all super-powered beings. He's deep down this path, having killed a number of C-List heroes. He's about to kill Captain America when his cat takes the blow, shocking Speedball out of it. He then turns himself in to get help.
I like this. Could be immediately followed by Heroes Reborn in Crisis
@@benevolentremnant2949 I kind of want to do that just as a parody. Sadly, I'd probably be praised for addressing such sensitive topics in a brave and honest manner.
Imagine if Kibblesmith's New Warriors outlawed wasn't cancelled it would definitely go there with since they ignored Speedball's amendments with Civil war in Fear Itself.
You might say at the end he seeks Penance for his actions...
Damn perch, you and Joe didnt have to just roast all my emails ive written in for 40 minutes straight
I think Peter David made an evil alternate Earth Uncle Ben a while ago. Strange that no one has picked up that dangling thread.
We kind of already got "Forgotten Super-robot-duplicate turns murderous" in the Young Justice/Titans: Graduation Day crossover, where a Superman Robot kills Donna Troy (among others). Not sure if you were intentionally referencing that. Joe's pitch sounds a lot more King-esque though.
Heather Antos' Go Fund Me legal team is furiously reaching out to Joe as we speak. She already had every one of these ideas. How dare you, Joe!
Funny, Comics by Perch would be my #1 bad pitch!
The story about the cow is the best, I need to read that story, we need that to get published.
I can't recall if this was done as a Crisis on Infinite Earths tie-in, but was a story done with the Linda-Robot after Supergirl died?
A Tom King Superman pitch: On earth -78, Jor-El is telling everyone that Krypton is dying. Nobody believes him, including his wife, but he is convinced. An earthquake hits and he sends the ship with Kal-el up in the sky. The ship malfunctions and gets blasted in the air.. And here's the twist, the planet doesn't die. He was wrong all along.
20 years later.. Jor-el is a drunk and is very miserable. Lara left him and is happily married to a woman and they have kids who are now old enough to go to university. Every one makes fun of him all the time. We can show that Jor-el visits this brothel every week, but this time even the hooker refuses and is kicked out... And this is when Thomas Wayne from Flashpoint comes in using a portal and takes him to Earth, and gives him a chance to redeem himself.. But can he really redeem himself?
“Divorce in comics is tight!” 😂😂😂
Dunno what beef perch and Joe have with cows being supes , but they absolutely slaughtered that idea (mean both metaphorically and literally) 🤣
Every one of Joe's pitches would win the idiotic March madness competition that DC puts together annually.
In Italy, January 6 is celebrated as the day of La Befana, who is an old woman who brings good children a treat in the early morning before the sun rises, while bad children receive a lump of coal. I bet Perch would have received lots of treats if he'd been born in Italy while Mumbles could have opened his own coal supply business.
bad pitch marvels newest teenage super hero is a straight white male to make it more controversial he's southern and to make it super controversial he starts a relationship with Riri Willaims
How about not only is Uncle Ben really a crazy murderer named Roy who stole his identity, the real Uncle Ben comes home and it turns out Roy was actually Ben's clone the whole time? Which is why May never noticed either.
There was a similar Superman story called "The secret Guardian of Smallville" where Superman discovers a Superboy robot is still protecting Smallville. Why that's a problem, I still have no idea. But Superman can't have it!
My pitch is titled "She Dropped the Baby". Wonder Woman undergoes a type of "Lone Wolf & Cub" adventure where she must protect a baby that is destined to spread more goodness around the World. Despite getting some assistance from her fellow superheroes there is constant peril from various foes. Diana truly loves this child but in the end she decides to entrust it to a normal family. The reason? She accidentally dropped the baby and has fears she'll be a bad mother.
I hate how realistic Joe's pitches are because I can absolutely see these happening. But, I believe that Mark Millar already wrote the definitive Ben Parker story ;)
Peter Parker finally gets back together with MJ again, but realizes she's a b**** and strikes a deal with Mephisto to really get rid of her this time.
Bad unfinished pitch: uncle Ben a second life. Uncle Ben's secret second family comes to New York to find out what happened to him. May Sanchez Parker, and her nephew, Peter Javier Parker. You see that night he was killed he actually intended to head back to his second family. So all through out the comic you can have both May's running into each other unaware of there connection. The second story we have second Peter meeting MJ and them having a fling. How far you want go with would be up to editors.
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I Got a Sad Pitch. DC *Mikey Devante aka Son of Vulcan/Vulcan* He is now retaining his Old Memories from Before New 52 where he was left comatose after Trigon attack him and the rest of the Titans East. Exactly like Lagoon Boy remember his Old Memories from Tom King's Heroes in Crisis. Vulcan is Visited Lagoon Boy's grave and Vulcan have Survivor guilt and depression that no one appreciated him being a hero, no one know who we is nor remember his near death experience in new earth/post crisis universe. He gotta so depress he gone and star killing bad guy so people would notice him. The Title is Who is Vulcan?
Marvel: Arcade woke up and he have cancer and it's Fatal. And he wants to undo all the evil things he done. He grown bored of killing so now He goes out the world to make a better place it's slice of life comedy. He even go to space and find Cammi to get her back into her human form. And revive all the Teen Heroes from Avengers Arena.
Lonely on Infinite Earths. It needs an artist that exudes depression. So you are hiring Riley Rosmo then?
What about the CEO of bigbellyburger and their offshore batburger to be a batman/flash villain: Fraser Mcfadess aka the Big-Belly Baron.
Fraser would try to build a batburger at oracle's clocktower or at one of batman's gotham bases
Happy belated Insurrection Day!
I'm gonna get hate for this, but the Whatever Happened to the Girl of Steel pitch has some good bones. I think it could work if some of the weirder stuff was removed.
I mean that Deadman story doesn't sound too far from some of his other adventures, just more dragged out and boring. I was entertained until you said Riley Rossmo. Truly a terrible pitch.
It almost sounds like that Steve Martin-Lilly Tomlin movie 😂
The funny thing is, I think these pitches would be more interesting than the comics we have now. I'd definitely read that Supergirl book.
I'd definitely read a story about evil robot Supergirl killing children with the right creative team.
DC are likely too cowardly to do something like that now though.
I am happy I stopped buying/reading supergirl by King at #2.
I do not touch a Tom King book going forward. 2023 is Tom King free!
Reading his Adam Stange in collected form nearly resulted in death from boredom. Is that possible? Can someone die from boredom caused by a meandering, pointless story that takes forever to go nowhere?
Tom King obviously "writes well" from a technical perspective and is obviously knowledgable and intelligent. I think that part of the problem is that King seems to constantly be trying to show you how intelligent he is.
Ok, I wasn’t going to comment again but you mention Sbarros and as a New Yorker I find offense at calling Sbarros NY slice of pizza. 🤢
It cant be worse than pregnant joker, aka gotham should be turned into metropolis east by the parents of the green team fpr economical reasons
If I had Elon Musk money, I would form a company just to publish and distribute Joe's ideas everywhere.
January 6 is the Epiphany or three kings day, when the three wise men presented gifts to Jesus.
Why is this over 47 minutes long? Do we really need this?
I just hope that I‘m not the Amidala meme here, when I assume this is sarcasm.
Tom King? I won't be watching those movies lol
Supergirl is Dead- the Cow story is a rip-off of Far Side - the Ben Parker idea... sorry... it "sucks"... so do that one for sure because he is dead as well - and dare I say "DEADman" (I think I see a pattern) - oh Wonder Man another DEAD hero - ok now I have a headack - as a "real" fan of heroes, when they die, dead is DEAD!
Hilarious.