The TRUTH about Blind Tasting - What THEY don't want you to know!!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2023
- Blind Tasting - the famed art of the sommelier, to simply smell a wine and identify exactly how/where/and when it was made. Is it an art? A technique of incredible skill and finesse? Or the work of charlatans and con artists? Today, we dive into the practice, analyze the practice across the trade, and draw our own shocking conclusions.
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Nice video. Blind tasting is my way of understanding wine more deeply and challenging my preconceived notions about a wine. Keep up the good work!
This is the video that blows tf up.
Agree
Agree
I am not a wine professional, but I do blind taste a fair number of wines. The primary purpose, for me, is to remove bias and hone in on my true preferences. Example: I might open a $15 Cote du Rhône and a $35 Gigondas, and try to determine which one is which and which one I prefer. Sure, it feels good when I get it right, but it’s more important to me that I learn about what makes sense to spend money on.
It's always important to look at what wines are represented in any competition. A prominent mass market winemaker in Australia not long ago was reported on for having won a "best wine in the world" award for their entry level shiraz, which led to a lot of sales. In actuality, the competition was hosted in Brazil, with mostly random South American winemakers most of which I'd never heard of before, with this Australian winery being the only international entrant (and thus winning "the best Australian wine" category by default). In general given the amount of pay to play which we knows goes on in the wine reviewing industry I'd much rather put my stock in independent reviewers and sites like Cellartracker than any awards.
Keep up the videos Troy, really enjoying them!
About time! Thanks
This was fun and on point, and fun😄♥️
Great job Troy.
Upvote for the super trooper references
two fundamentals that need to be addressed when we are talking about wine in general that would diffuse many confusions are, industrial/formula winemaking. how on earth you are going to identify where is sauv blanc from with formula/recipe wine making? and second is an overblown pricing. prices of bordeux, burgundy and california are absolutely blown up the ass. none of those would have any chance with literally any region of the world when it came to price, quality ratio. oh and those huge wine competitions with huge wine tastings are absolute bullocks of course.
MAKE MORE VIDEOS !!! Even if you don’t do videos on restaurant menus.
I was so waiting for a new video! Thanks for the upload and love the insight in blind tasting. Totally agree with your conclusion.
"When the world needed him the most, he vanished..."
I'm about to fly to Nico's just to get my hit of Troy's Tasting Room.
I do beleive in blind-tasting because some grape varieties are easy to identify: Risling for example develops a scent of rubber or benzole when ageing, for example, also pinot noirs and pinot blancs should be easy to identify. I do beleive that an expert with a schooled tongue can really very often tell the right grape variety at least, and mostly due to the knowledge he built over time on wine will also be able to correctly identify the growing region. I think this video mixes two topics: The one is: Can a wine pro correctly identify a wine in a blind tasting? My answer would be mostly yes. The other one is: Does the published opinion of wine experts sometimes deviate from their actual taste due to material benefits in any way, shape or form? The answer to this question will be a definite YES.
Objectively I like a few wines before attempting a blind tasting, so then I’m tasting whilst blind. So much more fun.
Objectively speaking, of course!
Great video. In my opinion blind tasting’s importance is subjective to the person. Knowing the characteristics of grapes is important to the one percent of wine collectors in the world. And while I wouldn’t consider the following blind tasting as defined by your video when you go into a restaurant and ask for wine X it’s probably important for you to know the difference in grape A and grape B. Unless you are ordering the whole bottle and they are opening it up in front of you but then you still need to know what faults taste like. It’s not just cork. Now the whole blind tasting on TH-cam is just a flex and we as mere mortal enjoy it just like we enjoy magic tricks.
“I would pick the Rombauer” ahahahahah that’s amazing, long love the ‘Bauer
I love all your videos
Once again! Amazing and especially put in a nutshell 😂 Blind tastings are in my eyes enhancing your capabilities
Love it so much
I love the algorithm of TH-cam, great video at some point. I happen to be the Director of a wine school in Mexico and i believe a point of view of a professional in this matter might help.
Well... to start with, blind tasting is the ultimate step of this profession (yep, takes years to swirl a glass and fiding what that grape juice is all about)
Specifically about the Rombauer comparison, what We try to do in blinds is assess quality. A cheap wine most of the time, smells and tastes cheap. Lets say, $40.00 dlls Rombauer againts Gran Cru $600.00
Both are expensive as hell.. why?
With $600.00 you can buy a ticket to miami and have a rombauer in the beach..
Rombauer is a bad made wine, i would rather drink a $2 buck shaw with my dog.
See? Im already helping you guys.
Blind tastings are very helpful for the consumers if taken serious in the quality assessment.
Cavalier Wine Society.
YES! AND IT WOULD BE THE ROMBAUER! :D Made me laugh more than I'd like to admit!
I wonder when you gonna post again 😩
I'm primarily a beer and spirit person, but I do appreciate and work with wine. Wine is a bit too overwhelming in terms of quantity of grape varieties (I will forever be too scared to dive deep with Italian wine), regions, vintage quality, how these wines can all age, and winemaking techniques. I believe you can have loads of knowledge, experience, and a solid method of identifying certain components of a wine like its age and varietal. There are too many variables though. Further complicating things are all the "experts" saying "minerality isn't a correct term to describe a wine with", and "chablis is unoaked" which further confuse wine drinkers. At the end of the day it's all coming from *just* grapes and the winemaker absolutely has an imprint on the final product. You really have to dedicate your life to the topic to still likely end up being wrong about what you think you're smelling and tasting. I've had plenty of wines that don't drink like they ought to. I've had plenty of wine drinking experiences where something is over the hill, immature, needed a decant, was pre-moxed, was reductive, doesn't show off varietal characteristics, etc.THAT BEING SAID when it comes to blind tasting for the sake of awards and rankings, I think the consumer rarely realizes that there can still be $ or incentives influencing people's opinions, there can be less qualified judges than you would think, and there are hands behind the scenes pulling some of the strings. The practice of blind tasting is overall beneficial for experts and novices alike, but it needs to be paired with getting in additional knowledge on wine and most importantly more experience with wine.
Where is Troy! Where is Troy!
Bling tastings are fun for helping get people out of their comfort zone of “I only drink Cab and Chardonnay.” Also the most fun I have had while consuming large amounts of wine was a 14 bottle blind tasting at a local wine shop and we got pretty much all of them wrong. Hilarious since we had such conviction throughout our group of friends!
Since taking the deep dive into wine the last decade, I'm thinking either I have a terrible sense of taste & smell, or there's a lot of bull$#!tters in the wine world.
For the consumer, such as myself, blind tasting has little to no value, if someone can taste the vintage, area and maker not related to the taste of a wine then this is at the same level as your average parlour trick for me.
But when I'm at a tasting I try to go into them as blind as possible, so I try not to look at the label and the price per bottle. Then I taste, make notes on the nose, the palate and age potential plus what would I be willing to pay for the bottle if I like them and sometimes I try to guess the grape varietal(s). Then if I'm hugely surprised I have to buy at least a case.
I avoid bottles that show the awards the wine won. Because guess what: This wine will need to show off with some expertlevel elugie on it. Ask yourself the question: What does an award do? It gives prestige to the wine and a guarantee for the buyer he or she hasn`t bought sh*t. A producer that needs these outer lables and certifications to market the wine will most often not be a good producer.
There is a lot of money involved with a wine scoring number 1 in wine magazines, it means the wine will sell out. Whenever money is involved in anything in today's world, I automatically at least think "fix".
I always kind of figured that the blind tasting competitions were selecting from a defined list of wines. Do you have any idea how large that selection pool is?
Competitions can be a bit different than exams and generally cover a larger scope. Each individual competition defines its own list, but the scope varies wildly. The "List of Examinable Grape Varietals" shown in the video is no longer posted by the Court of Master Sommeliers as they try to move away from the idea of a "set list" towards "anything that can be considered classic." In other words, your mileage varies wildly from competition to exam.
@@TroysTastingRoom I guess that’s how they keep it interesting. Good to know it has to at least be a wine that has identifiable traits correlated with its origin/variety. That answers most “what if I gave them this random wine from Ralph’s” type questions
Did Troy leave youtube ?
is this channel done? finito?
Sommeliers are just actors to prop up the wine myth and prices. I personally don't drink wine, I hate it. Acidic and distasteful. I love the face of the waiters in fancy restaurants when I tell them I never ever drink wine.
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Blind tasting is very important to confirm / test the wine making knowledge and theories.
Of course each person has their own threshold of sensitivity (acid, intensity), but eventually with experience l, these can be calibrated.
Love it so much
Agree