Ian Kirkpatrick on "Dua Lipa - Pretty Please" (24 BIG tips)

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  • @SolStateMusic
    @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Do me a favor and show Ian some love!
    Comment something nice here for Ian or sub to his channel - th-cam.com/channels/Cgvl_leixwjgtG83h05iaw.html
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    • @Jamieamusic
      @Jamieamusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      SOL NAILED IT AGAIN! Awesome edit man!

    • @mikelo303
      @mikelo303 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Best channel ever! Please keep it up. It's encyclopaedia od ideas! Thank you!

    • @zeetstweets
      @zeetstweets 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love the banter

  • @iankirkpatrick
    @iankirkpatrick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1371

    your edits make me a fan of myself ❤️

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +164

      ...and its' cheaper than therapy. But for real, thanks Ian!

    • @dangelobenjamin
      @dangelobenjamin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Love you both honestly

    • @zachary963
      @zachary963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Hilarious lol

    • @djzerotwoo
      @djzerotwoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Man you both are amazing, it's all about the layers!

    • @yukiamerica
      @yukiamerica 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣🤣

  • @cashnasty7
    @cashnasty7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +487

    I don’t understand how anyone can dislike this. Having access to this level of production education is beyond priceless. Thanks for posting! This blew my mind...

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Thank you! I'm also very grateful the best producers in the world are willing to share their knowledge!

    • @BENINIMUSIC
      @BENINIMUSIC 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought the same thing bro!!! There is more here to pick at than 99 percent of the shit out there! Real gold!

    • @TerryMaplePoco
      @TerryMaplePoco 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ditto, thank you soooooo much. so concise and on point

    • @jimmythebold589
      @jimmythebold589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      5400 likes versus 24 dislikes is a huge ratio.... this is a great song. Dua's whole album "Future Nostalgia" is just perfect, not a weak song...

    • @MrFree-vj8qj
      @MrFree-vj8qj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It wasnt insightful at all, just a bunch of I did this I did that, plenty of those everywhere. Teaching is a separate art to creating and this aint it. 3/10

  • @samsam2235
    @samsam2235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    That fill is actually pure gold. Damn it.

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks Sam! Glad you found some nuggets

  • @snaekboi
    @snaekboi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Man that tempo change was genius

  • @TantuBeats
    @TantuBeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +209

    This was insaane

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thanks Tantu!

    • @gamivibes
      @gamivibes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Link up next week bro?

    • @MitchWadeCole
      @MitchWadeCole 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gamivibes hey mate on it

    • @CJFreeza
      @CJFreeza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amazing break down

  • @KR-ib5gp
    @KR-ib5gp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Props to the person that edited this video btw. It's TRUE love right there 😹

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thank. I think Ian's love for LFOTool might be more unbreakable.

  • @1pelillos1
    @1pelillos1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    He knows straight away the Edit is coming 😅

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Hey! If he wants to give world-class advice, I should probably help share it...

    • @chevyash
      @chevyash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SolStateMusic and we appreciate it

  • @LennonJCihak
    @LennonJCihak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Ian Kirkpatrick is one of the best producers out there. Yes, because he's talented, but also because he's so forward with his information.
    Thank you, Sol State and Ian.

  • @x2beaches
    @x2beaches 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This was unbelievable. A huuuuuuuge amount of deep knowledge from not only a successful producer, but someone having SO MUCH FUN! So infectious and so creative! Thank you Sol State and thank you Ian Kirkpatrick!

  • @JulianGnocchi
    @JulianGnocchi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I love Ian's streams but I also love the way you manage to "condense" it. There are really no excuses to inhale this insane knowledge and tips now - Thank you so much!

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Julian, hope your using the tips :)

  • @Sound-Lord
    @Sound-Lord 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of the best thing about Ian Kirkpatrick is that he's not only the king of songwriting/producing,
    but also the king of sharing. And this is shocking great! thanks!!!!!

  • @samcansoundlike
    @samcansoundlike 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    this guy's attitude/skills + solid pop songwriting will forever hit

  • @larrynguyen85
    @larrynguyen85 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The taste level of the production for this song is just impeccable. One of the best of 2020, hands down.

  • @Kaotonix
    @Kaotonix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    man when @ian kirkpatrick talks about how the subconscious will notice, that is such a gem. I went back and worked on a bunch of my tracks and added things that seem almost inaudible (which I stopped doing a long time ago since I thought it didn't make a difference) and wow it makes SUCH a difference. The feeling of progression vs a song feel a bit stale , truly grateful for this video, the editing and Ian's knowledge

  • @knkyofficial
    @knkyofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:02 this is such a beautiful moment, just hearing it in a story gives me chills, i cant imagine witnessing that.

  • @knkyofficial
    @knkyofficial 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:59 they use this in one of the blessed Madonna remixes and thats so cool to know its you Ian!! SICK!!

  • @davidquintero1890
    @davidquintero1890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Wow, so refreshing to find a producer that isn't consumed by their own ego lol Ian sounds so chill, knowledgeable and fun!

  • @minime.ge_
    @minime.ge_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    nahh cuz pretty please is my favorite song duo's released and Ian's produced and the fact we both love it makes me happy

  • @lu.smoove
    @lu.smoove 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Already loved the song but damn, Ian really broke down the LAYERS to this track! Thanks for the evergreen content Sol State. We appreciate you ❤️

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks Loux! Appreciate it

    • @benkestokmusic
      @benkestokmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      really makes you appreciate the song more knowing all the cool stuff behind it 🙏

  • @soundcrafft
    @soundcrafft 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is hands down one of my favorite bass lines to play and the drum swing is what makes it. So glad to have found this

  • @DavidDiMuzio
    @DavidDiMuzio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    So much great info and tips in this video. Thank you!

  • @ashleyneptune3239
    @ashleyneptune3239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is GOLD, to the keepers of the Groove, the rhythm section glues it all together!

  • @seancarruthers7289
    @seancarruthers7289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The first time I heard this song on headphones my mind was blown. So much detail. It's cool to see what went down behind the scenes after being a fan of this song for a while now!

  • @MARCERA
    @MARCERA 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is great about these videos is how it doesn't feel like a chore watching. It does not feel like a tutorial video (which feels exhausting to find the right one and watch), but I am learning a lot more than from tutorials. Just a simple straight forward and streamlined analysis of an existing project with insight on the creative flow. experientially rich.

  • @claudio6032
    @claudio6032 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so much creativity in one track is unbelievable!!!! This is Art at the highest Level!

  • @JonathanLamontagne
    @JonathanLamontagne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I used to listen to this on speaker in my living room, and one day waiting in the car for my girlfriend getting groceries, I listened to the entire album and noticed all the frigging details. It's an incredible journey

  • @esteexiste
    @esteexiste 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I had to stop the video to say:
    Found this song in the middle of the lockdown in mexico searching music for DJ sets we had to do for the restaurante i was working for (It was closed, big corporation, 35 units total), and said, ok, i'm an electronic and metal head and i love this pop song, it's amazingly produced. Showed this to all my friends and all agreed, some puristic musicians, that is a great great great production. Glad to find there's an instrumental version so i can play guitar on top of it. And more amazed that i can see how you made this sound like this. Thank's 4 the sharing, lot's of love man!

  • @djruddmusic
    @djruddmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Best pop producer in the game! Period.

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      nuh...just a newb nerd...in front of cheap software... cant even mix...

    • @ant7396
      @ant7396 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@levondarratt787 making plat hits.. come on son dont play

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ant7396 plat ?..
      Don't play... What does that even mean, lol

    • @AndrewKolotyliuk
      @AndrewKolotyliuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@levondarratt787 "plat" is Platinum, like hits that are created by Ian Kirkpatrick that are certified Platinum and Gold all around the world. And I wouldn't consider him a newb since he's been working at this since 2005 and was good enough to write, produce, and mix for Disney and their label since 2008 and since then has worked with almost every major label and several a-list artists. This is all from one quick Google search so if you gonna insult somebody, it's better if it's actually true.

    • @levondarratt787
      @levondarratt787 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AndrewKolotyliuk damn...plat aka certified platinum... and Disney... and didn't even know his name.

  • @LoftyAssertions
    @LoftyAssertions 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those guitars are SO clean

  • @chriscuthbertson
    @chriscuthbertson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    As a bass player I really appreciate the swing in this song... This is one of my favorite songs to play.

  • @gerardomoran2923
    @gerardomoran2923 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ONE OF THE BEST MUSIC PRODUCTION VIDEOS I HAVE EVER SEEN! SO LIBERATING AND CREATIVE

  • @ChrissV234
    @ChrissV234 ปีที่แล้ว

    I always loved in this song the tempo change cause it sounds like the hook is gonna be that tempo but then you’re right back to the OG tempo, it’s sick.

  • @kallelaakso130
    @kallelaakso130 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The tempo edit is such a small thing but does biig things. Creates such a subtle but yet, in the context, a LOT of suspense before the energy is again released in the chorus. So great!

  • @vooveks
    @vooveks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    3:50 Good point about the bouncing down and committing. Obviously it needs to be decent, but yeah. You get this kind of rough feel that you can then treat like a sample you got somewhere else, if you know what I mean. Good thing to do, but takes confidence.

  • @julesmlbb2636
    @julesmlbb2636 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is my favorite track in the album. fun to watch the producer deconstruct his process in making this

  • @victorbeats
    @victorbeats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The album is so good. Thank you Sol State and Ian Kirkpatrick!

  • @casimirdekkers-newtrackout691
    @casimirdekkers-newtrackout691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    10:35 It needs more cowbell LOL🤣
    Very nice chill production! Love all the ear candy 'subliminal' layering.

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks, yeah all those little details really add up!

  • @TheDeviceHD
    @TheDeviceHD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That is truly amazing, pretty please is one of my favorite songs from dua lipa and I would've never thought that a video like this would come out. Ian's working with big stars like dua lipa and he still seems to be very down to earth, working with him must be really enjoyable and fun! :D

  • @OOYAH
    @OOYAH 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    you're the literal goat for making this channel exist, i have terrible internet and struggle bad trying to watch streams, i almost never can, but this lets me get the info in an amazingly practical way, thank you so much!

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the kind words, best of luck with your tunes!

  • @ShivamSan
    @ShivamSan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    11:30 i love that beep

  • @whylie2029
    @whylie2029 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who do hip hop and rnb this channel giving me a completely different vibe

  • @shrineofbeats6447
    @shrineofbeats6447 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that Ian realises the power of OTT ,and what it actually does!
    First expansion,then compression over the top!
    Also, LFO tool is getting forgotten these days, while it actually has everything you need!
    Time control, volume,filters

  • @danielporter4194
    @danielporter4194 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ian's videos are always killer. Deff one of my new favorite producers.

  • @benkestokmusic
    @benkestokmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's really cool how the different layers take a simple phrase/idea and makes it sound really interesting! I'm falling more and more in love with layering every day haha

  • @ShowtimeShah
    @ShowtimeShah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I truly enjoyed this! "not all gaps need to be filled" lol

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thanks! Are we talking "in production or real life?"

    • @ShowtimeShah
      @ShowtimeShah 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SolStateMusic the fact that you got me thinking about this now, oh lord we are going to become friends.

  • @benhurzz
    @benhurzz 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    beat is so amazing, pretty please is a banger

  • @DEEP_PRACTICE
    @DEEP_PRACTICE 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wicked video, Ian is hilarious too. Thanks Sol Sate!

  • @joshc8574
    @joshc8574 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    there was so much goodness packed into this one video omggg

  • @buenmin799
    @buenmin799 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The moment I heard this song for the first time I absolutely fell in love with how it was arranged produced. I LOVED the idea of slowing down before the chorus.absolutely brilliant. Thanks for this video. That was soooo fricking interesting

  • @TheChiversBeatCompany
    @TheChiversBeatCompany 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Edits are getting better n better Sol State! Congrats and keep going bro 💪🏼⚜

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! What's the #1 thing you like about newer edits? I'm always trying to understand this and improve...

  • @SuperKherlen
    @SuperKherlen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was obsessed with this song ever since FN came out! Thank you Ian for the magic!!!
    Also thanks Sol State for uploading this video 💖

  • @kwallas777
    @kwallas777 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The bridge is absolutely my favorite part

  • @magnusmakesbeats6488
    @magnusmakesbeats6488 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is totally awesome! Thanks man!

  • @justice6480
    @justice6480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ian great session! Thank you for your time!!!

  • @backwoodmenace
    @backwoodmenace 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Greatest thing I’ve seen all year

  • @steven6358
    @steven6358 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Sir, you are a gift and a blessing to this community. Bravo.

    • @VivekSingh99
      @VivekSingh99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, U

    • @steven6358
      @steven6358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@VivekSingh99 😍😍😍

    • @bellsquare6766
      @bellsquare6766 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Stee

    • @steven6358
      @steven6358 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bellsquare6766 hi bell square

  • @JayEskarYT
    @JayEskarYT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Too good

  • @ferez1985
    @ferez1985 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's refreshing that he doesn't take himself too seriously, great insight

  • @alphaoscillator
    @alphaoscillator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    the coolest guy ever in producing! such a good and EASY vibe from this dude.

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, he's super chill! Probably one of the reasons artists like working with him

  • @hoorash
    @hoorash 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I already watched this live stream but I've still waited for your cut. You editing is amazing.

  • @claudio6032
    @claudio6032 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome Track Man!!! I fell in Love with this Song emediatly! I noticed the great Production right away! So satisfying when I hear a Track so creative and well done! Its perfect!

  • @mase3683
    @mase3683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is goated.

  • @CKrippa45
    @CKrippa45 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love how him saying “if you don’t” is in time with the beat

  • @josh.graham
    @josh.graham 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Such a great look into a fantastically restrained groove. dope song. dope production. lots going on under the bonnet, but feels so simple and catchy.

  • @jordanvanderwerfhiphop
    @jordanvanderwerfhiphop 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, sick tempo modulation. fuck yeah. SICK LAYERING. LOVE THIS. tryina teach my baby to not be affraid of this layering. Overproduction LEGIT. but sometimes you GOTTA LAYER IT UP. thank you! haha

  • @AdrianGarciaMusic
    @AdrianGarciaMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this is absolute GOLD!!! thank you!

  • @lolaproductions9725
    @lolaproductions9725 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ian is just crazy this is such small detail INSPIRATION !!

  • @mirorashev9331
    @mirorashev9331 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favourite track on the record - it has so many elements in it!...

  • @nudirt1274
    @nudirt1274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is sooo inspiring. Thank you sol state for the edit.

  • @bongopro4401
    @bongopro4401 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the pic of the “favorite plug in “ 😂 with the couple running

  • @joshloki
    @joshloki 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is phenomenal - my favorite song on the record … this one has an intelligence to it that you don’t always find in pop

  • @lllazarrr
    @lllazarrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video is out of this world amazing!

  • @Kaotonix
    @Kaotonix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I honestly didn't know who this was and now I love him

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sounds a lot like the Ian and LFO Tool Story ;)

    • @Kaotonix
      @Kaotonix 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SolStateMusic LOL

  • @frozen_78
    @frozen_78 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a masterpiece. Each sound is in the mix for a reason. Thanks for making this video and sharing it with us.

  • @dashymere
    @dashymere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great job sol state on this, and always bless Ian for being the goat and professor

  • @joshuaadam1775
    @joshuaadam1775 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This dude is so fun to watch, you can tell he's just having a ton of fun when he's doing music things. Love it. Great edit job too Sol State!

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks! I think having fun has a lot to do with him being a top 100 pop producer

  • @NikolausBrocke
    @NikolausBrocke 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great. It's also about the things you don't play. Leave room for groove and vibe. And it's about not hard quantizing every note. Let fight the different timings with each other. That gives the special tension and goove.

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally! I think I heard Dr Dre once talk about treating space as an instrument

  • @naziamunir5484
    @naziamunir5484 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love pretty please. The beat the vibe. I had to see who the producer was😍😍 Great job👍👍

  • @iamhermusic
    @iamhermusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really freaking cool to see and hear the layers. I like the idea of making a phrase. Thanks!

  • @pdxfun4888
    @pdxfun4888 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    There is a massive amount of work and tracks. Thank you for sharing

  • @Maxhavlish1
    @Maxhavlish1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that bpm automation worked so well for that spot.

  • @demitrifearron658
    @demitrifearron658 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hella vibe broski, thanks fam

  • @Stoxide
    @Stoxide 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This so clear sounds... I like that

  • @Charieldeleon
    @Charieldeleon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is becoming one of my favorite producers!

  • @laithsamamreh8581
    @laithsamamreh8581 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite song on the project, not surprised he also produced this one, so so cool

  • @nkosilathidube3627
    @nkosilathidube3627 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed this so much. He gave a whole lot of game

  • @RC-ok3wl
    @RC-ok3wl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A lot of gems on here. Good lookin!

  • @cams5483
    @cams5483 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn what a master ! Thank you for this content

  • @notsmelliott
    @notsmelliott 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @guntimusic
    @guntimusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jesus..this is dope! "Simple tricks" but you need so much knowledge to use it wisely and correctly.

  • @brandyman5
    @brandyman5 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much for doing this. I've watched this so many times because it's so helpful. I already liked the video, and I don't think that sufficiently shows my appreciation, so I figured I'd show some love in the comments 😊

    • @SolStateMusic
      @SolStateMusic  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Great to hear it's so helpful and thanks for the love 💚

  • @ivantorrent495
    @ivantorrent495 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg, really top-notch production man!

  • @mykal92684
    @mykal92684 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the rythm sounds like billy jean. imo. love how you have a reason for everything.

  • @hiramgonzalez8693
    @hiramgonzalez8693 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy is awesome. Really knows his stuff. There were so many gems in this video!

  • @OhMyGardenRock
    @OhMyGardenRock ปีที่แล้ว

    He embodies everything you need and want as a human making music

  • @deaftra
    @deaftra 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Song tempo mod, such a dope trick, thank you for upload !

  • @YFGP1
    @YFGP1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love it! Love the edits, Love Ian's energy, good tips and so on! Thank you!

  • @nicholasartalejo5746
    @nicholasartalejo5746 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing! So much that goes into it. Awesome creativity!

  • @Shawn-hb7gf
    @Shawn-hb7gf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:28 No shit! 10ish years ago at festivals, I would find myself in fucking awe w/ Noisas production. It sounded 100x better / louder than the other DJs that played the same stage. I was never a fan of that genre of music but they were clearly doing something significantly better than the competition.